The $299 Everything 10G Firewall NAS and Virtualization 1U

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  • @chaosfenix
    @chaosfenix 6 месяцев назад +208

    It is crazy how this thing is a lot more powerful than the UDM Pro Max while costing half the price. It infuriates me that businesses still put 1999 Gigabit Ethernet on higher end gear. Our wired connections are now bottlenecking our wifi 7 connections. 2.5Gbps should be the bare minimum on any networking gear going forward.

    • @udirt
      @udirt 6 месяцев назад +11

      to be fair, 1999 gigabit was most likely fibre and a full-length syskonnect adapter.

    • @Alan.livingston
      @Alan.livingston 6 месяцев назад +14

      Vendors always doin the bare minimum they think people will accept.

    • @Xondan
      @Xondan 6 месяцев назад +12

      You are forgetting that you are not buying only the hardware with the UDM. You are also buying the Software and the UX. That also cost money to develop. Yes, i find my UDM Pro SE lacking in Some Points as only 2.5GBit RJ45 LAN Port, would have loved 10 Gbit, so have to fallback to SFP+, 1 Sata drive only. But that was never the point of the machine. I'm more than happy with its capabilities and the price is more than just. Also my greatest complain the lack of snat /dnat just got resolved.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 6 месяцев назад +2

      but you can get RGB switches from them, they are clearly better right

    • @gowinfanless
      @gowinfanless 6 месяцев назад

      @@Alan.livingston But,will people really accept it?

  • @KirkIsmay
    @KirkIsmay 4 месяца назад +2

    Thanks!

  • @1armbiker
    @1armbiker 6 месяцев назад +52

    This is exactly what I’ve been looking for at work. Time to buy a dozen.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 6 месяцев назад +2

      "I'll buy the whole stock"

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith 3 месяца назад

      It's definitely an ideal rack Top Layer Device, but I have to wonder how they're managing it at under $400.

    • @Kapsi87
      @Kapsi87 3 месяца назад +2

      @@KiraSlith Because there wont be any FW updates and vulnerabilities wont be closed?

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Kapsi87 Question, how often do we actually see hardware-level vulnerabilities? Just maintain your firewall software, smh.

    • @Kapsi87
      @Kapsi87 3 месяца назад +1

      @@KiraSlith This was rather a question because I want to buy cheap China stuff aswell :)

  • @RemyL75
    @RemyL75 6 месяцев назад +169

    This is the first time that I actually beat STH to finding and buying a product LOL. But yeah this one works great.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +24

      Yea, a bit slow on this one. It was tested a few months ago and this video was actually recorded in May pre-baby STH.

    • @RemyL75
      @RemyL75 6 месяцев назад +6

      I bought the fan less unit a few months ago and was thinking of getting a second one and literally stumbled across this one a few weeks ago and have had it for about a week now. The fan less one will now be my Truenas Scale test box with 4 drives using a 8087-to-SATA cable and a 4-bay enclosure. The 1U is my new pfsense box (fan less unit was the pfsense box, but all I had to do was backup from old and restore to the 1U and it worked without issues). Thank you for the recommendations.

    • @fumes007
      @fumes007 5 месяцев назад +3

      Link please? Looking to replace my protectli proxmox host

    • @arraybytes7214
      @arraybytes7214 5 месяцев назад +3

      Same here, got mine in February. Have had issues with the SFP+ ports with DAC cables, could only get it working with fiber. Not sure if it is an issue with proxmox or not.

    • @0xKruzr
      @0xKruzr 5 месяцев назад

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo congrats!

  • @stevekristoff4365
    @stevekristoff4365 6 месяцев назад +70

    cute little system but with a fan on the BOTTOM they need their head examined. it's a rack mount unit so there is no way to get any air INTO the system when mounted. fan should be on the back. Also would really love to see a Xeon D series here for a firewall appliance (C3758R is just to slow for application inspection) and they need to fix ECC support.

    • @nathanabird
      @nathanabird 6 месяцев назад +5

      I too am concerned there was nothing said about if having the fan on the bottom caused issues which I'm expecting it would

    • @magnawavezone
      @magnawavezone 6 месяцев назад +7

      ...and no forced airflow inside the case. Can't imagine those 10G cages are going to cool properly at all with 2 or more 10GBase-T and no forced airflow. Seems like flipping the board upside down and some side to side airflow would be a much better design. [front to back better but side to side is fine for this low thermal load]

    • @headlibrarian1996
      @headlibrarian1996 6 месяцев назад

      @@magnawavezone The 10G ports are SFP+ so cooling assumes fiber not 10G-BaseT.

    • @headlibrarian1996
      @headlibrarian1996 6 месяцев назад +1

      I assume this box is powerful enough to do 2.5G IDS/IPS + firewall on one port at full line rate and support 10G on the LAN. Not powerful enough for 10G or multiple 2.5G on the WAN side most likely but broadband at that speed is hard to find in the US. Would make a nice front end for an internal Ubiquiti network running a virtualized controller.
      One of the posts on this video mentions what working ECC sticks they used.

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@magnawavezoneor they could have added a big-a$$ heatsink in the back like mikrotik did, considering it has such low depth. Would've added costs but made it silent

  • @larsla
    @larsla 6 месяцев назад +20

    I had to add a fan to the "fanless" version because it was very unstable otherwise. I DIYed a connector for the spare SATA power port and connected that to a fan speed controller and then on to a 140mm fan screwed into the heatsink fins. I 3d printed a new bottom cover with vent holes and have it standing on the side. Instead of 60C+ CPU temps I now see 40-45C and it hasn't crashed since.
    But with that and 32gb ECC memory and 2x2TB NVMes it runs Proxmox (after some NIC driver patching) fine with a virtualized router VM and some containers for services.
    Also added a 2.5" SATA drive for Proxmox backups and screwed that into the 3d printed bottom cover.

    • @intrax2tv
      @intrax2tv 6 месяцев назад +1

      So 'fanless' is FAKE...
      Nice setup!

    • @mikel2700
      @mikel2700 6 месяцев назад +2

      did you follow a post for patching?

    • @gutschke
      @gutschke 6 месяцев назад +4

      There is a fan connector on the board. Why didn't you connect to that one instead?

    • @larsla
      @larsla 6 месяцев назад

      @@mikel2700 It was somewhere on the ServeTheHome forum. I can't post links here but search for qotom-denverton-fanless-system-with-4-sfp and you should find the thread. I installed it as a DKMS module so that it stays even during kernel upgrades.

    • @hatbabe
      @hatbabe 5 месяцев назад

      That's a little disappointing. More disappointing is that means their fanless isn't necessarily fanless, and evne ther rackmount, fan model isn't because that vent will just blow straight into the top of whatever is racked up underneath it. Guess it's time to get out some metal bits then a jigsaw before getting started with it.

  • @MattHudsonAtx
    @MattHudsonAtx 6 месяцев назад +10

    Really dig the new Key Lessons Learned section. That MBA is really paying off! 😊

  • @throwaway3756
    @throwaway3756 6 месяцев назад +18

    I got one of these a few months ago. It's been a great little box as a firewall.

    • @superb3113
      @superb3113 5 месяцев назад +4

      What firewall software did you go with?

    • @throwaway3756
      @throwaway3756 5 месяцев назад

      @@superb3113 Opnsense. It's alright but I find the configuration to be unintuitive. Sometimes the rules don't apply the way that I feel like they should.

  • @tactoad
    @tactoad 6 месяцев назад +21

    I got really excited when I saw the AST2400 chip onboard but too bad they dont use it as BMC. Its more useful then a console port.

    • @SeanHarlow
      @SeanHarlow 5 месяцев назад +2

      Exactly what I thought! If it were properly set up as a BMC I'd be buying these by the dozen, without that it's an interesting machine but not anything I have a use for.

  • @flahiker
    @flahiker 6 месяцев назад +6

    how ironic, I was just looking at this system as I wanted the qotom unit with 4 10GBIT ports that you reviewed in Feb but in a 1U case. I am probably going to pick one up this week :)

    • @nitronaf
      @nitronaf 6 месяцев назад

      i cant seem to get the sfp+ to work in 10gb in proxmox. just a warning since I did actually buy the qotom.

  • @daninmanchester
    @daninmanchester 6 месяцев назад +26

    It's just a shame they don't do a slightly larger version that would allow a 3.5" drive. I could whack my 20TB drive in it and run it as a mini server with all my media , CCTV, etc, then cluster it.

  • @RLFWE1
    @RLFWE1 6 месяцев назад +12

    That SFF8087 port would make this unit pair nicely with ye olde HP microservers and allow them to be used as 4 bay SATA expansion boxes, bypassing their elderly motherboards.

    • @Wusel92
      @Wusel92 5 месяцев назад +1

      That reminded me that I have one old N40L here, but just quickly brainstorming about that idea, how would you just let that thing run without the MB in it? Didn't come up with a quick idea right now.

  • @BrianThomas
    @BrianThomas 6 месяцев назад +7

    I like this unit. Looks like aa good Christmas gift for me.

  • @TheChadXperience909
    @TheChadXperience909 6 месяцев назад +16

    The fan in the bottom basically makes this a 2U; not a 1U. Maybe if it were in the front or side, but you're not going to be able to stack this unit and still have airflow.
    Edit: I guess, you could place it above your patch panel, which isn't very ideal, but at least you aren't wasting a blank. Also, it might make sense to mount upside down, and then you could place it below the patch panel. I guess, that's OK as a router/firewall, but not a VM host, and especially not a HA cluster.

  • @HiSk0L
    @HiSk0L 6 месяцев назад +7

    well thanks for finding out for me that I can't run to a SAS expander. would have loved that feature to make a small NAS box that connects to a large disk array.

  • @Renderman-Official
    @Renderman-Official 6 месяцев назад +8

    Excellent product! Hope they will produce a N100/N200/N300/N305 version of this, that would meet all my performance needs!

    • @gowinfanless
      @gowinfanless 6 месяцев назад +1

      We have made the 1U with Intel N100 and i3-N305 which be reviewed before

    • @Renderman-Official
      @Renderman-Official 6 месяцев назад

      @@gowinfanless Excellent! I will go check those out. Thank you.

    • @InFeXIoUs1
      @InFeXIoUs1 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@gowinfanlesslooks great. If only you ditched the 2 1 gig ports and made all 4 2.5g.

    • @pdesouza
      @pdesouza 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@gowinfanless do you have a link? The n100 and i3-n305 don’t have QAT … how does that affect things?

  • @kirksteinklauber260
    @kirksteinklauber260 Месяц назад +1

    Love the potential of this tiny appliance. In my personal use case I am thinking to deploy it with Proxmox and a virtual appliance running Opensense with passthru interfaces. The Opensense will be in bridge mode acting as IPS between my Mikrotik core switch and my Mikrotik edge router. I also want couple VMs or LXCs to run AdGuard Home and also to have pre wired and pre configured Netinstall-cli in ubuntu. That allows me to remotely recover any of the Mikrotik devices if needed

  • @JeffreyPeckham_abic
    @JeffreyPeckham_abic 2 месяца назад +2

    I have fallen in love with this machine. I just got one a few weeks ago and I'll be using it as my router with OPNsense in a VM. PCIe passthrough of the NICs just works, But, you can't passthrough the Intel Quick Assist to a VM, so if you want to use that it will have to be used from the bare metal OS. I got a mini rack to put this and a Mikrotik CRS310-8G+2S switch in. Even though the 2 NVMe slots are only Gen3x2, I like that I can put two drives in for some redundancy.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  2 месяца назад +1

      Yea. It is not perfect, but for the price it is very good and it can do a lot.

  • @realandrewhatfield
    @realandrewhatfield 5 месяцев назад +11

    Of course a later CPU might be nice, but the one piece missing is a real BMC. To put these anywhere, an out of band management interface would make this so competitive!

    • @mbaltrusitis
      @mbaltrusitis Месяц назад

      would a PiKVM plug that feature gap for you?

    • @realandrewhatfield
      @realandrewhatfield Месяц назад

      @@mbaltrusitis of course an external solution is possible, but not nearly as clean of an install :) Plus the cost of an external solution is higher than the parts cost of a BMC.

  • @LockonKubi
    @LockonKubi 5 месяцев назад +3

    I wonder if you could cram all that hardware into a 2u but half width device. That'd make a good fanned version for people who don't have a rack (easier to fit on a bookshelf or whatever) or put in a coupler to still mount two of them in a full width 2u space. Also maybe a bigger (and user replaceable) fan.

  • @Gnitset
    @Gnitset 5 месяцев назад +2

    They have a bug in the hw-design on the motherboard for the sim-card slot. According to the spec a pin is supposed to be pulled to ground when no sim is present and left unconnected when sim is present. It does it the other way around. I had to remove a surface mounted component to get the 4g-modem to understand that there actually were a sim-card installed.

    • @DavidPritt-xh7qq
      @DavidPritt-xh7qq 5 месяцев назад

      Could you please publish the change you did as I too want to use the SIM in this device.

    • @Gnitset
      @Gnitset 5 месяцев назад

      @@DavidPritt-xh7qq I can't show since it is in operation at the moment. But if you take a picture of the motherboard showing the SIM card slot and the pci-e connector underneath the m2-ssd-slots, then I can point it out.

    • @DavidPritt-xh7qq
      @DavidPritt-xh7qq 5 месяцев назад

      I can take a picture, what is the best way to send it to you?

    • @Gnitset
      @Gnitset 5 месяцев назад

      @@DavidPritt-xh7qq I have a gmail with the same username

  • @userou-ig1ze
    @userou-ig1ze 6 месяцев назад +21

    The only thing it really needs is just a better cpu, with zenarmor you max it out pretty quickly

    • @concinnus
      @concinnus 6 месяцев назад +1

      Problem is, while the successor C5*** chips had higher performance, they also had equally higher prices and TDPs.

    • @dohmarau
      @dohmarau 6 месяцев назад

      @@concinnus intel pro 155u/165u would be great alternative. lower tdp than this atom plus more performance

    • @concinnus
      @concinnus 6 месяцев назад

      @@dohmarau For home use, even a 12*5U chip is great (as long as you're not on an OS that has issues with E Cores) -- Protectli uses them. But for people who want Supermicro-features-but-cheaper, no.

    • @gowinfanless
      @gowinfanless 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@dohmarau Better to use 165U which is faster and easy to make a 1U solution

    • @dohmarau
      @dohmarau 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@gowinfanless That was my conclusion too! 15w TDP standard, 28w peak, can be scaled down to 9w in BIOS, comes with 20 pcie lanes instead of 9... i hope your next 1 RU device has the 165u

  • @Gargravarr2112
    @Gargravarr2112 3 месяца назад +1

    The one thing that stood out to me looking at this - it looks like you could in theory put 2 of these motherboards side by side in the same enclosure by using external power. That would be perfect for my needs as I currently have 4 old USFF hypervisors in a 2U space in my rack; being able to upgrade them to something rack-mounted and having 2 machines in 1U with this short depth would be very cool (storage for the cluster is on my NAS so I just need compute nodes).

  • @mys721tx
    @mys721tx 6 месяцев назад +10

    It is really surprising that Atom has a built-in X553 NIC for the SFP+! I was doing napkin math and wondering how 4x PCIe 3.0 (~30Gbps) is going to work with 40Gbps there.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +4

      That is what these are designed for. We have reviewed the C5000/P5000 series with built in 25GbE.

    • @vicbarbu
      @vicbarbu 3 месяца назад

      that aside, the Unifi SFP+ DACs are in no way working for me. There's no error, the LEDs in front of the SFP+ port light up, but Unifi won't recognize it as being there, nor will `ifconfig` show anything aside from "no carrier"...

  • @newstandardaccount
    @newstandardaccount 6 месяцев назад +11

    These look to be pretty awesome but damn - I wish there was some type of distributor here in the US. On both Amazon and Aliexpress, you're looking at $40 - $50 for shipping.

    • @Bmagj2
      @Bmagj2 10 дней назад

      There are similar ones like thi that are cheaper with free shipping I saw. However I can't find any i226V NICs though.

  • @thegeekno72
    @thegeekno72 5 месяцев назад +3

    It's the same motherboard as the fanless one, I bought the fanless couple weeks before its own review and when they released the 1U unit, I asked them if I could buy the case/PSU combo, which they did sell me, I just had to move the motherboard over to the other case ! Haven't soldered the leads of the PSU though, still using the barrel plug unit...

  • @0xKruzr
    @0xKruzr 5 месяцев назад +1

    I love how much I/O this thing has. It's approaching my ideal for a "perfect homelab Proxmox/Ceph cluster box" -- enough cores and RAM to support OSDs, boot from SATA and have two NVMes for OSDs, plenty of at least 10G networking for Ceph inter-host and client traffic. Not taking advantage of the AST2400 as a BMC sucks, though, as does PCI Gen 3 x2 for the NVMes. For $100 more the Minisforum MS-01 still holds the crown for this I think.

  • @ryanpek
    @ryanpek 6 месяцев назад +3

    Why is there no unit with proper back to front cooling. Who mounts a switch that the fan blows down in a rack ?
    Switches get mounted in the back of the rack so you can run cables. So air needs to flow front to back.

  • @qcnsllcqcnsupport7616
    @qcnsllcqcnsupport7616 4 месяца назад +1

    Awesome review!!..thank you. I'm definitely getting the rack mounted version. 🙏😎

  • @JFlogerzi
    @JFlogerzi 6 месяцев назад +2

    Plex Transcoding would be my only concern. And the lack of cheap network rack depth SATA expansion bays.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +2

      Plex you would do on another machine, not this one.

    • @JFlogerzi
      @JFlogerzi 6 месяцев назад

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo boo plus I am to invested in unifi ATM 😉

    • @BlueBearOne
      @BlueBearOne 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo Indeed. I would love to see a video of what you think is a best buy and also a reasonable top end hardware for a Plex server (which would also be a NAS with maybe TrueNAS). I need to build one and run it for my home. Thanks!

  • @fredbompard7097
    @fredbompard7097 3 месяца назад +2

    Hey guys!! @ServeTheHome
    Tank you for this review!!
    I wonder what do you think about the C3808 variant: 12 cores: 2.0Ghz, 12MB cache (instead of C3758R: 8 cores: 2.4Ghz, 16B cache)?
    Thank you.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  3 месяца назад

      Still Denverton just lower clocks but more cores. It depends on where you think your bottleneck is.

  • @jrherita
    @jrherita 5 месяцев назад +4

    We really need more modern processors with these.

  • @MichaelGrnne
    @MichaelGrnne 6 месяцев назад +8

    Would the 12VDC work as redundancy? Try to switch off the AC while the 12VDC is on.

    • @saltlakrids
      @saltlakrids 5 месяцев назад

      That would be really interesting. I think it actually would. The 12V plug is on the motherboard itself, and it would just run parallel with the MeanWell PSU that is also plugged into the motherboard aswell. Current will flow through the path of least resistance. The voltages should not vary too much because that would wear out the PSUs

    • @VjSky
      @VjSky 4 месяца назад

      @@saltlakrids Just add diodes on both inputs to prevent backfeed

  • @edwarddesposito4476
    @edwarddesposito4476 5 месяцев назад +1

    Is it me or is that box running 100% load flat on the desk at 13:36. How is that CPU breathing?

  • @joesaland9276
    @joesaland9276 5 месяцев назад +1

    It's been a minute since I ran a stand alone firewall and the main reason I stopped was the second I enabled any level of deep inspection the power wasn't there to sustain a 1GB+ Internet connection. Essentially everything in the lab (and house) slowed to a crawl once I started inspecting using something like snort (yes that was what was around at the time). It was frustrating, gaming through it was miserable from the latency that was especially bad if someone else was home watching Netflix or something. What I guess I really want to know is have these processors and the opensource IDS/DPI tools come far enough along that modern high speed home fiber can run at speed with the full set of security features enabled. If it is just a stateful firewall that doesn't do much other than maybe remove the need for a secondary on network NAS.

  • @44Bigs
    @44Bigs 6 месяцев назад +1

    Years ago I moved to an Edgerouter because of the excellent throughput when using hardware offload, but I guess this would probably be fine as a 1Gbps software router?

  • @michaelkreitzer1369
    @michaelkreitzer1369 5 месяцев назад +2

    Only unanswered question for me is can both power inputs be used simultaneously for redundant/ha power.

  • @Scarlaxx2
    @Scarlaxx2 Месяц назад

    Hi and thnx for the nice introduction video to this probably awesome product. Next time in such videos I'd appreciate info about the fan specs so that we could consider a replacement for Noctua maybe.

  • @illstateofmind
    @illstateofmind 6 месяцев назад +7

    Wow, I bought this 2 months ago, and now there's a video for it.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +6

      Yea. Baby STH came :-/

    • @illstateofmind
      @illstateofmind 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@ServeTheHomeVideoI get giddy every time I see a new upload from you.

  • @nadtz
    @nadtz 6 месяцев назад +5

    I *just* bought myself a new router, if I had known about this I might have spent a little more and grabbed it instead. Heck I might get one anyway just because Qotom actually followed up with a rackmount version.

  • @tri_camp_user.001
    @tri_camp_user.001 14 дней назад

    Just for reference, I was trying to install RHEL 9 over PXE via x553 10G port and it does NOT work (the ports are dead once kernel-5.14.x boots). Fedora 41 on the other hand works just fine (pxe install over 10G). The 2.5GbE ports worked with either distro.

  • @DonaldMolter
    @DonaldMolter 5 месяцев назад +1

    Oh man I kinda want one of these to replace my Edgerouter 4 box. It's been on my list to find a solid (while energy and cost) efficient platform to replace it with to get into Opnsense but haven't found anything yet. This may be the box I pickup to replace my aging hardware.

  • @louwrentius
    @louwrentius 6 месяцев назад +4

    I wonder what the idle power usage would be of there units, ideally with a few 10g modules. ❤

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +3

      You can get it to the 20-30W range. But then maxing the CPU will only add

    • @kingneutron1
      @kingneutron1 6 месяцев назад +5

      My desktop version pulls ~33Watts with 2x 10Gbit and 4x 2.5Gbit ports populated (plus a fan on top running off the usb2 port)

  • @scottibyte
    @scottibyte 5 месяцев назад +1

    So, after digging up my 20 year old VGA monitor and OLD VGA cable I have yet to wake this thing up. Gee no POST test, no documentation and the VGA doesn't work. Looking up serial wiring for the console port. I hear this uses Intel AMT... which Ethernet port? Nice machine. Great solid build. I am using it to weight down some papers right now.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  5 месяцев назад

      It can take 30-120 seconds to train the memory on first boot.

    • @scottibyte
      @scottibyte 5 месяцев назад

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks. Apparently my 20 yr old ACER VGA monitor is not working. I ordered a VGA to HDMI cable. Does this in fact have Intel AMT?

  • @computersales
    @computersales 6 месяцев назад +1

    Look neat. Having a dual power source function would be cool feature to add. Even better would be PoE power support. I am surprised they didn't make the chassis out of extruded aluminum.

  • @W1ldTangent
    @W1ldTangent 5 месяцев назад +1

    I want half a dozen of these, immediately.

  • @BlueBearOne
    @BlueBearOne 5 месяцев назад +1

    First time HomeLab builder here. Just ordered my first piece based on your recommendation from another video (MINISFORUM Mini PC MS-01-S1390 Barebone with Intel Core i9-13900H with 96 gb memory; the barebone is just barely over $650.00 on Amazon atm!). So thank you for that excellent video. I do want to get a dedicated single box for IDS/Firewall. I'm thinking Suricata and OPNsense. I think this box would work well for that? My question is this...why would you want a noisy mount rack over a silent fanless version if they are the same otherwise? I'm assuming the fanless one is appropriately engineered and does not overheat. Why does the benefit of the internal power source of the rack mount override the silent running of the silent version? I'm also assuming the fanless version has no power issues. Thank you very much for your help and time. I appreciate you!

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  5 месяцев назад +2

      Some folks just prefer rackmount for organizing machines. The MS-01 can run a virtualized firewall no problem and save you some money

  • @hxx888
    @hxx888 5 месяцев назад +1

    Just what I need! Thank you sir

  • @Warrigt
    @Warrigt 6 месяцев назад +5

    Is this fan noise related to being ran sitting on a table with no gap for air to escape?

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +2

      We ran the top one with the bottom off but present as well to validate.

    • @ttww1590
      @ttww1590 3 месяца назад

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo This reply makes no sense to me. Thee top of the one below it has no holes and there are no stand offs, so the bottom on or off changes nothing.

  •  6 месяцев назад +2

    I'm using the non rack-mount version and unfortunatly I don't achieve 10gbps over SMB. I have a fast enough NVMe installed and as OS I'm using OpenMediaVault which is based on Debian. Maybe this is related to the bug you mention in the video at the end.

    • @magnawavezone
      @magnawavezone 6 месяцев назад

      samba needs a lot of single core performance [at least to saturate 10G for a single client]. I'd guess the cpu is lightly insufficient being an gen older e-core.

    •  6 месяцев назад

      @@magnawavezone Yeah, that sounds reasonable. If I remember correctly, I also did an iperf3 test and could achieve 10 gig on one side, but the other side was only about 4-5 gig.

  • @CheapSushi
    @CheapSushi 6 месяцев назад +2

    Did you guys read my mind? I was literally on Amazon looking for something like this, with just enough ports for my needs and a decent value ($).

  • @ArcherSeven
    @ArcherSeven 5 месяцев назад +3

    I have one of these, and.... the only display output is vga.
    Know what I definitely don't have kicking around really anymore? VGA. So I tried putting an ssd with an opnsense install in it and.... didn't seem to work. So I'm guessing I need to mess with the bios, but.... QOTOM, can we please get displayport and/or a BMC/IPMI?
    I tried getting hooked up with a serial console and I get... something resembling the BIOS, but nothing I could actually interact with.

    • @ArcherSeven
      @ArcherSeven 5 месяцев назад +3

      I should add, the fan input on the bottom is... definitely an interesting take, I guess. Would be nice if the airflow was front to back or similar so it doesn't suffocate when racked with other gear.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  5 месяцев назад +3

      Totally agree. The challenge they have is that there is no iGPU since it is a chip designed for firewall and storage. So the ASPEED add is for servers where VGA is 95%+ of the installed base.

  • @ttww1590
    @ttww1590 3 месяца назад +53

    Top or bottom mount fan on a rack mount device is a huge red flag, and it's concerning you gloss over it. Worse you show them rack mounted with the top unit having the fan blocked by the lower unit.

    • @pizzaspider
      @pizzaspider 3 месяца назад +6

      do you cry when you grab a fork to eat hotel cereal instead of getting up from the table you picked to sit at to get yourself a spoon?

    • @whatever63644
      @whatever63644 3 месяца назад +20

      ​@@pizzaspidertf is wrong with you

    • @pizzaspider
      @pizzaspider 3 месяца назад

      @@whatever63644 not enough to give this any kind of real response

    • @timradde4328
      @timradde4328 3 месяца назад

      @@pizzaspider Tell us you're an idiot, without telling us.

    • @chimpo131
      @chimpo131 3 месяца назад

      cry more @ttww1590 😂😂😂

  • @scottibyte
    @scottibyte 5 месяцев назад +1

    So, for anyone wanting to get these units, I received a 1U unit and the SFF unit. Neither of them will even post. Tried different memory and NVMe. These are Chinese units and have ZERO online documentation except for the hardware specs. In looking closely at the chipsets, they appear to be gray market. Spend just a little more and get something with actual documentation and support.

  • @lguildbz
    @lguildbz 6 месяцев назад +4

    What app are you using to monitor the statistics of the unit?

  • @davidl6566
    @davidl6566 5 месяцев назад

    Saw it and added to cart 1-2 weeks before the video dropped.
    3 weeks later when I was going to order- sold out.
    You are now partially the reason for my sadness and need to send me your unit as compensation 🙂

  • @brainz-brainz
    @brainz-brainz 4 месяца назад +2

    Whos bright idea was it to put a fan on the bottom of a rack mount chassis?

  • @pbelb
    @pbelb 3 месяца назад +1

    Hey Patrick, How do the Qotom C3808-based devices compare with the Qotom C3758R-based equivalent? 12-core vs 8-core, but lower top speed.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  3 месяца назад

      We do not have the C3808, but it is Denverton so should be similar-ish. The big upgrade is Snow Ridge/ Parker Ridge

    • @fredbompard7097
      @fredbompard7097 3 месяца назад

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo yes but what about 12 cores @ 2.0Ghz/12MBcache vs 8 cores@2.4Ghz/16MBcache ? for Proxmox with OPNsense + whatever? Thank you.

  • @mctscott123
    @mctscott123 5 месяцев назад +1

    The meanwell is super nice, but I'd gut it and 3d print a slot for a dell psu, it should be sweet.

  • @jonathanchang4894
    @jonathanchang4894 6 месяцев назад +8

    if you plug in both 12v and PSU, does it essentially act as redundant PSUs in that if one fails the other one keeps things going?

    • @xt0
      @xt0 6 месяцев назад

      most likely

  • @marktackman2886
    @marktackman2886 6 месяцев назад +1

    This is something we can finally recommend!

  • @devasa192
    @devasa192 5 месяцев назад

    Ethernet ports have a problem of 225 and 226 with dhcp. In virtual machines, the DHCP package client does not work properly over the bridge for virtual machines, but the client does not physically connected. I have a problem on MS-01 to make it a firewall, etc.

  • @hpsfresh
    @hpsfresh 6 месяцев назад +1

    Plan to buy one. As far as I know it also supports ecc

  • @jacksukerman5150
    @jacksukerman5150 5 месяцев назад +2

    I've got this, mostly on the recommendation of this video, and I'm not trying to get on you back on this.... but I would please appreciate some advice and yes I've been all over your forums. It works great, but I can't get any of the 10G SFP+ ports to work with opensense, pfsense, proxmox whatever. I've tried two different types of SFP adaptors but all I get is a lot of rx errors. I really want this to be a good unit but it just doesn't work at 10g

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  5 месяцев назад +1

      Very strange. Do they link properly or is it the case where they are not linking to a switch? I think we have like 8 of these between the team in fanless and 1U versions and have not had that issue. The one we have running is the newer Debian kernels with switches

    • @jacksukerman5150
      @jacksukerman5150 5 месяцев назад

      @ServeTheHomeVideo they do link out of the box with pfsense, opensense but you only get a few kb/s and rx errors. The latest proxmox which is debian does not link until you install the latest intel ixgbe driver but then the same result i can send at full speed but not recieve

    • @jacksukerman5150
      @jacksukerman5150 5 месяцев назад

      Ive tried new cables, what SFP modules are you using with it?

    • @jacksukerman5150
      @jacksukerman5150 5 месяцев назад

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo What SFP modules are you using?, I have tried two types of SFP+ to RJ45 modules. If they link but don't work, does this mean its a driver issue?. Also read that it doesn't have enough power to boot with 'copper' modules. Really think this thing should work with modern distributions out of the box.

    • @TismoGaming
      @TismoGaming Месяц назад

      @@jacksukerman5150I should have read your comment before I ordered mine 😞
      Did you manage to get it working?

  • @irlWIKKO
    @irlWIKKO 3 месяца назад +1

    Would love to look into this more but it seems this and the fanless version are not available in Europe. Bummer. 😮

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  3 месяца назад

      A bit of a challenge with EU regulations. Hoping there is a seller willing to jump through those hoops soon.

  • @rookie28604
    @rookie28604 6 месяцев назад

    The fan facing down in a rack unit is a bit odd and may cause problems in a full rack.

  • @popejohnny5
    @popejohnny5 4 месяца назад

    Given it is an Intel NIC the assumption is that that x553 is going to complain about third party optics that aren't Intel coded? Unfortunately I just ordered a WAS-100 stick to bypass ATT Fiber's modem and it was coded to my current NIC and not an Intel one. Need to see if that is changeable post shipment and this would be perfect to replace my current higher power PFSense box.

  • @B-a_s-H
    @B-a_s-H 5 месяцев назад +1

    Which SFP+ 10GB (copper) modules are compatible with this? And how is the power consumption with 4 of those installed?

  • @ronwatkins5775
    @ronwatkins5775 5 месяцев назад +1

    Im looking for a SSD/NVME NAS with 25GB SFP connections. The NAS needs to have a high level of redundancy/backup for critical data. It should be about 20TB in size. Wondering where I can find some sort of comparison tool or utility which will help me locate something like this?

  • @tivonh7075
    @tivonh7075 6 месяцев назад +3

    Anyone know a distributor in europe I can buy this from?

  • @VaticanTop
    @VaticanTop 6 месяцев назад +3

    Is this or the Minisforum MS-01 better for a 10gb router with OPNsense /pfSense?

    • @m6kzt
      @m6kzt 5 месяцев назад +1

      The ms-01 is way way better this doesn't even come close.

    • @BlueBearOne
      @BlueBearOne 5 месяцев назад

      The Minisforum MS-01 is a lot more powerful but why? If you are just going to use it as a firewall appliance, it is way too much overkill and just a complete waste. That device will cost over a thousand dollars once you add in memory and a hard drive. Why pay for a Ferrari if you are only going to drive it to the grocery store and back?

  • @HelloHelloXD
    @HelloHelloXD 6 месяцев назад +1

    16:51 are there any rack mountable versions of these?

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +1

      There is a 4-bay rackmount that QNAP has as well.

    • @HelloHelloXD
      @HelloHelloXD 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo great, thanks!

  • @dazealex
    @dazealex 28 дней назад

    About to buy this. Does the 8087 connector support 10 drives/bays? With the conversion cable to 8088.

  • @ShowXTech
    @ShowXTech 5 месяцев назад

    6:38 A ground connection for the chassis would be nice

  • @colinstu
    @colinstu 5 месяцев назад +1

    I wish they'd put two of these in this 1U case. Would be nice to have hw failover in 1U space.

    • @jamess1787
      @jamess1787 5 месяцев назад +1

      Colin, now that just makes too much sense. 💡

    • @jamess1787
      @jamess1787 5 месяцев назад

      Only thing that doesn't make sense is the location of th fan intake for a server rack. Stack a bunch of gear on top of it's self and you don't have any flow.

  • @m4dizzle
    @m4dizzle 5 месяцев назад

    It'd be interesting to see real world Plex performance, how many streams can you get HD and 4K?

  • @fabriglas
    @fabriglas 5 месяцев назад +2

    Can i ask can you run this with linux instead of windows? Im intending to move away from windows as it getting too big brother on all they do.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  5 месяцев назад

      Yes. We showed this with Ubuntu and Proxmox VE

  • @Joedrt
    @Joedrt 14 дней назад

    Can anyone share the internal SATA and power cable shown at 0:59 sec in the video? I am looking to create a sata mirrir and need a second cable.

  • @YKSGuy
    @YKSGuy 6 месяцев назад +5

    Fan is in the wrong spot for a rack mount device.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +3

      Agreed, the better option would be to make a larger heatpipe heatsink then blow air through the chassis. But that is a costly custom part for a sub $300 unit.

    • @YKSGuy
      @YKSGuy 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo I would argue it defeats the point of asking for a rack design if you can't actually place something above or below it.. Same goes for that "Passive" one you reviewed a while back.

  • @BrianThomas
    @BrianThomas 6 месяцев назад

    What I'd like to see is a drive cage inside the box to support the 1 or 2 3.5inch drivers, so why make the user makeshift a way to make it fit? Give us a inexpensive solution that works nicely.

    • @gutschke
      @gutschke 6 месяцев назад +1

      The fan-less model has mounting points for 2½" drives. But the on-board voltage regulators might be too limited, and the lack of active cooling is a problem when you start sticking additional power-hungry devices into this computer.

  • @pism0549
    @pism0549 5 месяцев назад +1

    I just want to make sure that I understand the wrap up about those 10gb ports. I would want to use this as my main firewall running opnsense and an Omada controller LXC inside Proxmox connected to my 10gb core switch. Am I right in understanding that I can't connect these 10gb ports to the switch?

    • @michaelgiggsgilligan
      @michaelgiggsgilligan Месяц назад

      This is my question also and the major red flag for me.
      I would want to connect two of the SFP ports to my switch, one for the LAN side interface and one for the Proxmox management interface. Given Proxmox is on Debian, my understanding is this is not possible (although maybe passthrough of one to OPNSense would allow the LAN connection).
      Can anyone advise on this - have people succesfully used the SFP ports connected to a switch with Proxmox and/or hardware passthru with OPNSense?

  • @thetux0815
    @thetux0815 6 месяцев назад +2

    I'll be receiving my new pfsense box with 4x2.5g and 2x 10g sfp+ ports im the mail by the end of this week. Powered by am intel n100. Wonder how they stack up in comparison. Would you go with the n100 or c3558 for a pure pfsense / opnsense with 10g?

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад

      C3558

    • @AzN_devil
      @AzN_devil 6 месяцев назад +1

      the n100 is fine for switching applications but dont bother using it as a router + firewall (pfsense) unless your wan link is slow...
      my n100 maxes out when torrenting at around 35MB throughput

  • @iviaimer1
    @iviaimer1 6 месяцев назад +1

    I have 5Gbps ethernet, are there any good options for a router/firewall that allows 5 or 10gbps ethernet?
    The options i have found are very expensive. Also running 10Gbps nics in 2 PCs, everything else on the network is 1Gbps.

  • @willidriver
    @willidriver 6 месяцев назад +1

    I love this product. But has anybody go a clue, why it’s impossible to ship to Germany?

    • @Qotom-Mini-pc
      @Qotom-Mini-pc 5 месяцев назад +1

      Shipping to Germany through platform transactions requires an EPR certificate, but you can pay with PayPal, and the seller will ship offline, not through the platform transaction
      But there are also German buyers who put the delivery address in Austria, and then they ask their friends in Austria to mail it to them

  • @yoshiman12232
    @yoshiman12232 5 месяцев назад +1

    AliExpress says these are no longer available....?

  • @davemorales1064
    @davemorales1064 5 месяцев назад +1

    U can use sata drives on sas backplane but not vs

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  5 месяцев назад

      Not only the backplane matters, but also the controller

  • @0x1337
    @0x1337 4 месяца назад

    What software do you use to display the cpu core bar graph when doing the power consumption tests?

  • @Ryan98391
    @Ryan98391 Месяц назад

    Is there a rack mounted option for a NAS that has an SFF8087 connector or do I have to sit a NAS box on top of this appliance like a heathen? I want a pretty rack enclosure.

  • @joshhardin666
    @joshhardin666 5 месяцев назад

    the fan appears to be on the bottom of the unit, right? how does that work? - USUALLY with rack mount configurations (even the 2 unit configuration shown on this video), you're right up against the top of the server below... so how do you get airflow to that fan? - wouldn't it make more sense to do a front to back airflow (like most servers) or a side to side airflow (like most switches)? I'm afraid that if i buy this, i'm going to kill it by not having enough airflow to feed the cpu fan. is this concern warranted? I currently have the fanless version running pfsense to run my network (firewalling and routing between 4 10g vlans with a 4 port 10g sfp+ lagg to my netgear 10g base-t switch (that happens to have 4 sfp+ ports) and I was seriously considering selling it and picking up one or two of these 1u units instead. what do ya'll think?

  • @danagoyette7932
    @danagoyette7932 6 месяцев назад

    What kind of throughput can you route through it if you put an SQM rate limiter (fq-codel or CAKE) on the interface that'd be acting as a WAN? If you gradually adjust the rate limit up, does the actual throughput reach the configured rate? Some ARM machines can't even do 1 gigabit with SQM.
    On my 1-gigabit home network connection, I run OpenWRT on an x86 box with an Intel X550, with a 2.5-gigabit link to the cable modem and a 10-gigabit link to the LAN switch. I've seen some places say that gigabit internet doesn't need SQM, but I still see a huge improvement when I go from SQM disabled to SQM enabled, with it set a bit below my max steady-state upstream and downstream rates.

  • @icedutah
    @icedutah 3 месяца назад +1

    How can I add 4 SSD hard drives in there? I only see 2 SATA ports. Power for them?

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  3 месяца назад

      M.2 + SATA but you will need to get a second SATA data and power cable.

    • @icedutah
      @icedutah 3 месяца назад +1

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo Trying to find that sata data/power adapter. Where can I find those?

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  3 месяца назад +1

      @@icedutah Ask the seller of the system if they can sell you an additional one for two.

  • @mofoq
    @mofoq 5 месяцев назад

    wait, where's the link to the potential intel driver "errata?" 🤔

  • @yourpcmd
    @yourpcmd 6 месяцев назад +2

    Make this with an N100 at the same cost and I'd put them in inventory rotation. It would beat many of the all SSD NAS appliances coming out at ridiculous prices.

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +4

      This trades the iGPU of the N100 for more physical cores (for vCPUS), QAT acceleration, 4x 10GbE, and more PCIe/ SATA I/O. Adding quad SFP+ to the N100 would mean you are not putting many drives on there

  • @pdesouza
    @pdesouza 5 месяцев назад +1

    Can someone please advise me if I should get a box like this or an n100/i3-n305? What is the “max speed” achievable for router/firewall/vpn for this Atom cpu vs the Alder lakes? Would LOVE a comparison video!!!

    • @solarhomelab
      @solarhomelab 3 месяца назад +1

      So the trouble with the n100 and n305 is the pcie lanes. The max speed is 16gb therefore if you actually tried to max out both sfp ports at the same time you could not achieve the 20gb. These machines don't have this issue but use a lot more power than the n100 or n305. It just depends on your setup but that's networking for you not every case is the same.

  • @RageXca
    @RageXca 3 месяца назад

    everytime i buy a sfp 10gbits to rj45 adapter at some point after a while it drop packets dunno why try different models too / different cable im guessing its my Vim network switch. So i wish we had more model with rj45 10gbits.

  • @trendingtopicresearch9440
    @trendingtopicresearch9440 6 месяцев назад

    Does 18.6Gbps routing capacity mean that when all 4 10Gb ports are used, the effectively run at half the speed?

  • @hquest
    @hquest 5 месяцев назад

    For comparison, the Cisco Firepower FPR-1010 device runs on a 4 core Atom C3558 with 8Gb DDR4, 200Gb SATA SSD, and 8+1 1Gbps NICs (4x X553, 1x I211), so this device is more than capable to be a robust, enterprise grade firewall. Not for a datacenter, though, but for remote offices it can withstand a lot of abuse.

  • @ecybernard-com
    @ecybernard-com 6 месяцев назад +5

    You asked what I wanted to see. I want to see a real NIC SPF+ 4 port NIC like the intel 700 series that just works of out the box with proxmox etc. Even after the latest upgrade to proxmox 8.8 the intel 553 nic still doesn't work properly out the box. I still have to recompile 5.20.3 and fix compilation errors to get the 553 NIC working!!!

    • @ServeTheHomeVideo
      @ServeTheHomeVideo  6 месяцев назад +1

      Put it in the video but I made a formal request to Intel and followed up but no response

    • @ecybernard-com
      @ecybernard-com 6 месяцев назад

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo Intel has released driver 5.20.9 which at least compiles and installs. However I can only get gigabit speeds from it and not 10 Gbps

    • @m6kzt
      @m6kzt 5 месяцев назад

      @@ServeTheHomeVideo Think you should have made it clear that the x533 will not work on Linux 6 kernels out the box, try testing with latest proxmox 8.

  • @bartgrefte
    @bartgrefte 6 месяцев назад

    First of, whats running in powershell during the powerconsumption/noise bit? ..... wait, that whole system with 4 10G ports costs less than an Intel 4 port x710-DA4?

    • @biiiiiij
      @biiiiiij 5 месяцев назад

      would like to know as well

  • @KentBunn
    @KentBunn 3 месяца назад

    The pre-drilled holes would be nicer if they came with grommets for people that don't use them for antennas.