The short sleeve Leine
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- A short video discussing the leine and sleeve length.
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Ive never owned one of these, but the other day i saw one on Etsy by Medieval Market and have been contemplating buying one.
Just finished watching all of your Irish clothing videos and loved them! Thank you very much for the time and effort they took
I went down a rabbithole of wedding dress videos and how recent those traditions really are, made me wonder about Irish customs pre Victoria. I didn't think fancy hats would be in the mix but here we are
I saw something that Irish wedding dresses were blue before the white trend came in. I imagine a post 16th century thing? If you ever come across anything on event specific wear I'd be delighted if you could share it! No pressure at all though
Thanks again, all the best
@@RodneyAndMeVideos thank you so much comments like this really do mean a lot to me. That actually sounds like a really interesting rabbit hole to go down and not one I had thought about but event wear was an important thing historically so I will do some research and see what comes up.
@@ramblingkern it's time for a new rabbit hole for me of following all the books and links you've recommended! Have a good one
Thank you for making the video- I am interested in History and Clothes of the authentic past.
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Thanks for making these videos on native Irish clothing. They've really given me insight into them.
Before I assumed that Ireland never had any distinctive form of dress equivalent to other countries, like the German Lederhosen or Italian toga, so I was happy to learn about them through you.
Ah that means a lot thank you. This was my number one reason for making this channel.
@@ramblingkern tá fáilte romhat. Keep up the good work (:
I have been fencing in my short sleeve leine. Yes it is comfortable and it does not hinder my movement.
Awesome stuff
I love the costume content.
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Reconstructing History makes good leine pattern (the one i bought included a pattern for trews and brat as well), it was easy to follow... even for a dummy like me. There's nothing more satisfying than making your own kit if you have the time, money, and inclination. Love the channel.
Yes I have the file somewhere they do amazing work.
I suspect that as the baggy part became larger they had to shorten the sleeve so as to not hinder movements, imo.
I think if you could get several of these and test them out in the woods, that would be neat. I have this impression from what I've read that the kerns were difficult combatants for the English because they often stuck to the bogs and woods and rarely offered the English a fight on disadvantageous terms. So i sometimes wonder how certain colors might be more or less visible in the woods. Red and blue are not visible to the eye as far away as other colors, and so i wonder how comparatively far yellow would be seen.
Interesting thing to consider. For the most part the yellow was a fashion choice but I wonder if it had any other utility.
I originally created a full length long sleeve leine and found without an Ionar or something like an overtunic to hold the sleeves away, that they would get caught and snagged on most camp equipment, like rope even or braziers and just silly stuff, so there is a practicality imo about the short sleeve but this also illustrate the importance of an ionar or some sort of cuff.
as you know yourself tracing the origins of the léine is quite difficult but if there's any sources you know even from the 14th c please do share
With all of the horrible events going on in that period it's basically a second dark age in Ireland we have so little historical information from that period sadly. But will keep ever looking.
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Awesome follow up. I’m in the process of doing a dyeing experiment with saffron. I know it’s possible to dye with the little threads themselves but I’m going to try to use the whole flower with the threads removed. It might reduce the cost to make them significantly but still using the saffron as the base dye.
If you check out mcnerdy makes channel she experimented with dyeing with saffron using original recipes from the era.
@@ramblingkernthanks for the recommendation! I have seen it but forgot about it until now. It’s super in-depth. That being said, my hypothesis is if the flowers, not the threads will yield color. It’s more the byproduct of saffron production than the actual spice itself. McNerdy takes the interpretation of “saffron” in the recipe as only being the expensive threads.
@@nicholasmccurdy383 let me know how it goes I would be excited to know.
Nothing better than practical comparison of short-sleeve to long-sleeve; I'm looking forward to it. The person who donated your new leine has done all of us a service, and I'd like to thank them! Is it saffron dyed? It looks great!
The short sleeves look great.
Leaving aside the cold, the short sleve just seems more practical.
Ehy would this traditional clothing be outlawed?
Multiple reasons but the common theme with colonial powers is to remove national identity and impose your own system upon the locals. The leine was an exclusively Irish fashion so was outlawed as a result.
Regarding the Durer drawing, I am very curious about what the kern is wearing. It looks more of a coat over a leine. The length and the collar don't look right for a leine. I asked the Reconstructing History folks about it a while ago and and in her opinion it was a coat. If memory serves, these guys were serving on the continent when Durer did the drawing (1521).
Yes there is a great talk about it you can find here on RUclips. Very possible it is a combination of European clothing on them too.
So, the current scholarly opinion on these drawings is that they are mostly worthless as primary sources for reconstitution, but tell us things on irish fashion still. Let me explain: Durer drew these irish using material culture from Germany, that reproduces the appearance of the irish the most, and not actual irish clothes. It's unlikely he saw them himself, and if so he definitly did not draw from life, but from pure memory. It's possible he used texts like Vital or lost ones we don't have now. The axes are anything but irish, the sword is german, their leine is split into two clothing, the gallowglass doesn’t wear the mandated cotun under his mail, he wears a burgonet, the other a rondel helmet. Evidently he just tried to capture the feeling of the irish, nothing else.