And by comparing it to 3 generation-old SKUs. Can you imagine what will happen if Nvidia will say "Our new RTX 3060 is 30% better than our GTX 1060"???
@@MrS5x It should be 1060 compared to a 1660, or 1660 Ti. Intel is screwing themselves by not releasing anything on a smaller node, 90% of Nvidia's improvements come from node shrinking, 16nm to 12nm. The massive Pascal jump from maxwell, 28nm to 16nm. You'd probably be safe to expect something big from Nvidia again, once they go from 12nm to 7nm. Intel has to shrink their node size or they will be run into the ground pretty quickly in the CPU department
They can't figure out how to get to 7nm node size, so now they are just making excuses. I wish they would just admit that they are 1.5 years behind in development and price their products appropriately
@@bakedbrotatoes they're a lot more than 1.5 years behind. They've been working on 10 nm (same as AMD 7nm) for a long time. They're more like 3 years behind. That being said they've admitted that they're having issues with 10 nm several times.
You say it as if 1st to 2nd gen or 2nd to 3rd gen upgrades were worth doing. There hasn't been a time in the last 15 years when it was worth buying the NEXT gen upgrade. I'm sure that the 10750H is aimed at people with a 5 or 10 year old processor???
Tres Waters according to the Intel guy a pcworld back in early March when I asked him , 10th gen doesn’t have the security flaws, when I was discussing the difference between the new Ryzen cpus and 10th Gen Intel .
Yeah, totally. I mean it's not like they posted a record breaking profit of 72 billion just 5 months ago, oh wait.. You fanboys really need to expand your viewpoint and realize that markets such as these make up a very small % of income for Intel and AMD, for that matter.
@@petergriffin-cq5kw ouch... as an FX user looking to go ryzen... i feel utterly called out... (I realized a bit ago that even Ryzen 3 3000's can beat my extremely OC 8350 which is pretty sad). But, yes this is true. Even my FX-8350 which is nearing the best FX is utterly smashed by the lowest R 3000's. I have 8 cores at a stupid clock rate and even then i can barely compete with a CPU with half the cores. Still a great value for when i built it but, the age is really beginning to show now. At this point i am either faced with 2 options. upgrade or hit 5 GHz without melting to slag. honestly i think im gonna try and stick it out for ryzen 4000. It is so close it feels silly to go AM4 without waiting for the very best it has to offer. This PC still is not bad but, its modern gaming days are number considering i ran into my first unrunnable title about 2 months ago (jedi fallen order).
If you noticed Amds g14 is cpu 35 w and gpu 65 w was performing very close to intels 45 w cpu and 80w gpu. Which saying loudly that we need ryzen based laptops.
@@tumpalleonardosinurat2257 ...or all the OEM's tooling has been completely built around a near-unchanging Intel for years now and weren't ready for AMD to release such game-changing performance. Give them a year or two and I'm sure we'll see lots of AMD laptops starting to show up :D
@@blaziken1564 true they also are doubtful of one hit wonders but it is easy to see awd will again match intel next gen in mobile and with all the power amd will have they will be kinder amd already has much more laptops than last year now.
@@blaziken1564 I sure hope that's the case. I'm all for competition. If you want a premium thin-and-light Renoir laptop, the only choice on the market is the ASUS G14. I'm glad that it's a good choice, but I'd also like some competition within AMD-based laptops as well.
Exactly. There hasn't been a time in the last 15 years when it was worth buying the NEXT gen upgrade. I'm sure that the 10750H is aimed at people with a 5 or 10 year old processor.
@Ishaq Hussain I agree. People say it's hot as hell, but if you do some work it becomes a beast. I undervolted mine to -0.155V, replaced a thermal paste with a liquid metal and it runs fast and cool: 4092Mhz on all six cores reaching only 77-78 degrees Celcius, under max load. Scoring 2774 points on Cinebench R20, not bad for a past-past-gen CPU.
@@virtualtools_3021 You're confusing NEW products with GEN upgrades. Ryzen was a new product built from the ground up and was not a generational upgrade from FX. Also, the Core 2 wasn't a generational upgrade from the Pentium 4. The Core 2 architecture was actually based on the Pentium M design from 2003 because it was superior to the Pentium 4. The Pentium M was based on Pentium III which dates back to 1999 which itself was based on Pentium II from 1997 which was based on the Pentium Pro from 1995 and was built from the ground up. Modern Intel processors have there roots dating back to the Pentium Pro from 1995 hence all the security floors. Ryzen only dates back to 2017.
Seriously, who would rationally consider an Intel laptop with all the cool AMD hardware out there, Intel is frantically paddling as it goes over the waterfall, missing the boat on powerful portables.
At work they tried buying some of the latest AMD Ryzen laptops from HP. Somehow AMD, HP, Microsoft or a combination of the three managed to fuck up something on a low level in their own software. This caused everything, and I do mean everything, to go slow on these machines. They never managed to solve it and we ended up returning several hundred Ryzen laptops.
Only way they can right now is be offered on higher end laptops with a 2070 or better, since the only laptops I see rocking the kickass AMD CPUs are bottlenecked to 2060s and lower, with lower quality laptop builds. It's over once the OEMs start pairing their Ryzen CPUs with higher end GPUs and higher build laptops
Yeah I was looking at the Benchmarks and never seen 1 game that you could tell a difference other than the AMD seemed to have better .1% lows ..which represents a smoother experience
intel is a joke. horrifically evil business practices and complacent management of tech advancement. they were a leader and got lazy. AMD for the win. can't wait to get AMD in my next laptop.
SOTOS 170$ 3600 is 5% slower than 9900k which costs 3 times as much with the expensive motherboards vs b450. Stop being a fanboy, no company cares about you, follow your wallet
I was so glad to go from my horrible old AMD laptop to a custom i5 Intel laptop. I don't game on it. My Intel laptop will last me until it wears out. Lightning fast at everything I do on it. Intel CPUs do still lead in certain ways. And the market share of Intel is still way higher than AMD. The large organisation I work for refreshed its Intel laptops with Intel laptops, which will have been the most cost effective option. Businesses are a huge market. Intel do need to change, but a good new Intel CPU is still a very good CPU. Price though is a sticking point.
@SOTOS If you choose to look at the pure performance yes, but that comes with a 10% price tax, and for that price it's only 5% faster and once you do mixed loads, the AMD system gets vastly superior performance per watt and performance per dollar, making the Intel counterpart look like a joke.
No, they lost you by not making a proper competing product, nothing else. Also, you should have gone with a Ryzen 3600 and then sold it a couple of weeks before the release of Ryzen 4000. That way you'd have enough cpu power, and a minimal loss compared to now.
@@Orcawhale1 I got ryzen 5 1600 and rx 580 But I have 400$ saved up I kinda want to upgrade to the 3000 series but at the same time I want to wait till the 4000 series to come out
No, you can't. The problem is that nobody is bothering to file a class action lawsuit against Intel, for some reason. Nvidia and AMD has both been sued in the past for similar things, and both lost in court. (GTX 970 3.5 gb vram, and AMD's FX number of cores).
@@Orcawhale1 I bet you its because intel pay off those who wants to sue em, paying em without media coverage is cheaper than getting sued... Intel should not exist anymore considering the practices they use.
Amen dude. Given the pricing difference between 1660ti and 2060 laptops, I'd be more than happy to save a couple hundred bucks and miss out on just 2-3% lows.
Naah y'all are just too cheap and broke 🤣😂😂. RTX is definitely thr future of gaming. Ray tracing and the new audio technology from Dolby is heavily supported by RTX cards. These cards are marketed for a different demographics. That's why they're considered premium. Now get your cheap AMD fanboism outta here smh
@@Neekzu no just dont do that, after 2 or 3 years you will suffer because of no upgrade .i still use my old lenovo y700 from 2016 because i cant afford a new gaming laptop but if i bought a same price gaming pc back then i couldve upgraded the gpu and can play newer title .now that laptop became a heavy office laptop because it cant run newer title even at 30 fps lowest settings consistently (no cod warzone, no apex legend etc)
Jeez what a sheeetshow from Intel. Hardly suprised, though :) Still it gets topped by Nvidia d-move with GDDR 11Gbit/s memory for the 2020 models of RTX2060.
I imagine there must be a conversation between PR and engineering department for this 10th gen mobile refresh debacle. Ultimately, PR guy won, since 10 > 9, and most consumer aren't tech literate enough to understand the difference is marginal, and will still insist on getting the ''newest and greatest''. The market reaction also seems to suggest that Intel's gamble paid off, 10th gen refresh flushed the market, Ryzen 4000 is still on the sideline, despite being obviously superior option if priced comparably. If only more consumer actively aware what should they look for when making a laptop/desktop purchase......
it is more passive the mindshare an average person asks a couple of his friends and provided those friends keep up they will get more and more amd recommendations.
Or if you need a laptop for productivity and some gaming, get the new Ryzen 4000 ones as they’re less expensive and perform just as well and better than the Core i9 processors on offer in the case of the 4900 and 4800. Of course, if you want a super high end GPU with a desktop replacement, you’re SOL if you want anything other than Intel
You save money, or get better performance. Also, if something breaks, you either fix a desktop or trash the laptop. I have no idea why people buy gaming laptops.
Also, she won't complain that it's loud. From other reviews I've heard that if they set it to balanced mode it is whisper quiet while still plenty fast.
I find it very interesting that the i7 9750H with the GTX1660ti is as fast or faster than the RTX2060 in most tests (although that config disappeared from the Shadow of the Tomb Raider result). Also how come the ASUS TUF A15 Ryzen 7/ GTX1660ti laptop isn't in those results?
Undervolting the i7 9750h gives you pretty good performance gains. My cinebench 20 score is 3093 with running turbo clock speeds without throttling. I also advice changing the thermal paste and using a cooling pad.
Yeah the i7 9750H crushes the i7 10750H with undervolting because i doubt intel chips can run cool at stock in every laptop and so i7 10750H will obviously thermal throttle hard in gaming
While it doesn't impact the gaming benchmark results, it's important to remember that a laptop is kinda a full system with roughly zero upgrade path. So any changes/upgrades to other stuff, from memory, storage and IO to display, keyboard, battery etc - is also really significant factors for a purchase decision.
Makes me glad that I got my Lenovo Legion with the i7 9750h, and 1660ti, over the 2060. The performance difference makes the 2060 pointless, unless you really want ray tracing.
Just got a refurbished Asus Zephyrus with a 8750h and gtx 1070 for £760, upgraded to dual channel 32gb of RAM for 58 pounds more. Will perform like any of this laptops pretty much, maybe even better in GPU heavy applications. With an undervolt+OC the 1070 runs consistently at 1.9~2ghz depending on the game. Only downside is thicc bezels, but the screen is gorgeous and WAY better than anything you'd get in the £1k range. Pretty happy, will keep this until nice Ryzen laptops (or intel...) come out in a few years, with Zen 4 or something, which will hopefully BTFO everything we have atm.
You can buy a Razer 15 Laptop with an i7-10875H (300Hz) for the same price of the same laptop with an i7-9750H (240Hz) core. I don’t really understand why people hate on the newer ones, mainly because I’m new to purchasing laptops and such. Can someone please make this clearer for me?
I have 2 laptops right now. Bought an MSI with the 10750H for mining crypto because it was on sale for a ridiculously cheap $870. My main system has been an ASUS ROG with the 9750H. I don't know if I should even bother swapping my 32gb ram kit and 1TB SSD to upgrade the 10750H laptop's existing components. I guess not
Best bet is just wait before jumping to upgrade until the 2nd / 3rd gen release of new devices that have been perfected to where the gains are noticable. Not to mention the mid range i7 line seems to be a thing of the past for gaming cuz Intel is gonna focus more on the high end i9 to compete with Ryzen & replace the old i7 Kaby / Coffee Lake alot of ppl use atm. Wont be long before the i9, i7, & i5 drop a tier when new chip comes out to replace the i9 as the high end chips for casual market while the i3 get pushed out as being considered viable. Especially with Ryzen chips being performance & prices being the better looking model option for gamer market if you don't wana drop as much money on an i9.
(Added Edit) LOL did not think you would have caught that, I immediately noticed when I looked at the Texel output numbers! Good job spotting that as well Tim, you kick ass! 4:20 (Edit 4:51 as well! Same 160 TMU on a 2060 GPU) *WHOA THERE! Why does the MSI RTX 2060 have 160 TMU when the Older Acer one (the RTX with the faster VRAM) has only 120 TMU according to GPU-Z?* How can the SAME GPU have DIFFERENT amounts of Texture Units - when ALL other functional units are identical?? Different die? Error by GPU-Z? Either way, I MUST KNOW MORE! Please look into this! The newer RTX 2060 has no Die information in gpu-z, but I am guessing that it is a TU104 - how else would it have different numbers of TMU?? In any case, SOMEHOW the newer RTX 2060 Mobile has more TMUs!
I have been scrubbing the internet LOOKING for information about new RTX 2060 mobile with a reported 160 TMU instead of the 120 that EVERY other RTX 2060 has, but I cannot find anything at all!
i'm sure you heard about the 14 gbps performance bump for the 5600 XT, but i just wanna know if you're gonna show the before & after because i can't find a single video on youtube about it
I know it's only 1080p, but playing all of these games at high or maxed settings, in AAA titles, will still cause gpu bottlenecks. Like, even the desktop comparison is starting to run into a gpu bottleneck (going off other benchmarks ive watched). You should really run the games at a mixture of medium and high, because a cpu test where the gpu is maxed obviously defeats the whole point. Not that the difference in cpu will be massive, but right now you seem to be holding them back.
My old laptop died about 6 weeks ago whilst on lockdown. So, without much experience, I bought an MSI GL75 9SE. Core i7-9750H with RTX 2060. If I'd known 10th Gen was coming out, I'd have waited. So pleased I didn't, especially after watching this. Thank you for making me feel smug :)
I would love to hear from you guys how viable would it be to use a external 2080ti connected to the pci 1x slot for laptop tests...as a more "apples to apples" comparison. I imagine the 20% more or less reduction in performance on the GPU side would still allow the 2080ti not to bottleneck any of those processors, and, thermals would be solely dependent on processor usage, a win-win situation. Moreover, the pcie x1 would allow for standardization of any future tests as it's already know what to expect from the GPU.
My only issue with Ryzen mobile is the laptops they are in. I have a P75 creator and really can't imagine doing dev work on the go with a 15 inch and/or 1080p screen. This laptop has a huge screen, 4K and 3 M.2 ports. I make use of all of this and AMD just isn't in a competing product. I'd love to jump ship though, just don't have any options.
Can we see a Streaming comparison between the Intel and AMDs new mobile CPUs. I'm curious for the results. Because I did not see any Reviews about how it perfomance while streaming.
Would it be possible to achieve a standard gpu conditions for the benchmarks by using an e-gpu? It would limit to pcs which have thunderbolt but it's something pretty standard
You don't really need that. I doubt all machines have a GPU from Nvidia soldered to the PCB. If so all you need is a PCIe cable connecting your external GPU to the internal plug and an spare power supply to deliver the power. The latter you just start by shorting the "on switch" that's normally shorted by the motherboard.
I bought my wife and myself a 9750h, 2060 combo last year. We are very happy with em, they run nice and fast. Intel are shady, lying bastards though, lmao :))
@@Hardwareunboxed I wonder what the price difference is between laptops for that few percent increase 🤔 (again assuming they're running at the same wattage)
@@Hardwareunboxed Rightly so, I guess the advantage is the "RTX features" and that's pretty much all the extra incentive they can offer for a bump in price
@@TechHunterOfficial Pretty much. You're paying the premium for features that are at their least useful in that SKU (RTX is more worthwhile the higher you go in the stack), which is a pretty bad situation lol
I want the 1440p laptop. Most laptops with the current GPUs are either OP for 1080p or undepowered for 4k 60FPS. I feel like 1440p is the sweet spot moving from CPU bound to a more equal GPU and CPU usage. Can you comment on this?
I'd assume just video editors and people who do a lot of heavy workloads upgrade every year. I only use my pc for gaming and I upgraded from 4th gen Intel to 3rd gen ryzen which is like a 6 year gap or something lol
@@GameBacardi Overclockers are a very small percentage. Millions of businesses across the world (accountants, bankers, teachers, architects, real estate, car sales, university, schools etc) buy computers. They don't buy every gen - they're replacing 3 or 4 year old computers. Then there's parents buying for their kids schoolwork etc. Most of these people don't subscribe to hardware unboxed etc. They just lookout for the Intel badge because of all the commercials they've seen for the last 30 years. I work in a store that sells computers and they see an AMD badge and they say they've never heard of it. They just look for Intel.
No, but you have 8th, 9th, & 10th gen laptops in the market at the same time with newer gen being more expensive even if they all come with the same GPU. This helps folks decide whether it's worth it to pay more for the latest gen.
I should have waited.. but I jumped the gun and got the 9750h.. rtx 2060 but upgraded to 16gb of ram like the new gf 65. So with the almost identical performance. The 9750H should keep running games fine for the next few years?
I ordered a 10750H/2070S laptop to replace my 7700HQ/1060 one. I considered a closeout 9th gen one but the ones getting closed out offered no benefit spec wise. The fact that Nvidia dropped the prices a tier for GPUs sorta hurt the closeout specials in some cases, I possibly just missed the really good deals And for me it's also getting me a much better cooling system and a MUCH BETTER screen. The only thing I can think of where 10th might have an advantage is in larger laptops with more cooling headroom where they might sustain higher boost speeds.. But that's a lot of maybes
Yeah, makes sense that these wouldn't be much better. I speculated that the new chips with the same power target 'might' be 2-5% better at most and looks that way. Seems that Intel is going to improve performance more than 2-5% on the desktop platform by increasing power to the CPU (working with MB mfg to make better VRMs) and the thermal velocity boost could be a decent addition (not great, decent). I'm very interested to see what the perf. delta is between Ryzen 4000 desktop and the recently released Intel lineup. I'm much, much more interested in 0.1% lows and random frametime spikes vs max average FPS. I'd take a more stable frametime with slightly higher 0.1% lows vs a setup with 5-10% more average FPS. 9900k & 10900k are pretty much king in this arena atm.
Or put another way, consider other factors besides the CPU when shopping for an Intel 9750H vs 10750H laptop. Yes price is a key factor as stated here but also factor LCD display features, keyboard, RAM, battery life, build quality, etc...
Can't you lower the GPU mem clock using MSI afterburner? To make a more apples to apples comparison I know the new 2060's won't do 14gbs memory this is just for us actually interested in the apples to apples comparison
Hello hardware unboxed , genuinely curious that GTX 1660TI with i5 9300H beats RTX 2060 in some games is this real lol ? And is it really worth it to buy i5 9300H for gaming ? Since i see little to no difference with an i7 ? Please reply thank you
I was also somewhat surprised by the comparison between RTX2060 and GTX1660Ti. Not much difference in many benchmarks. Would there be a noticeable difference in price between configurations with one over the other?
The one upshot to all this is that the bigger number in the product name means laptops with the smaller number will start going on clearance sales. I jumped on one with a 9750H when a local retailer put it up for a 25% discount.
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Intel: we have increased our performance by 30%
Me: How?!
Intel: By upgrading NVidia GPU
And by comparing it to 3 generation-old SKUs.
Can you imagine what will happen if Nvidia will say "Our new RTX 3060 is 30% better than our GTX 1060"???
@@shane250 exactly, I estimate the difference between 2060 and 1060 is around 40%. Shows how much innovation is going on at intel.
@@MrS5x It should be 1060 compared to a 1660, or 1660 Ti. Intel is screwing themselves by not releasing anything on a smaller node, 90% of Nvidia's improvements come from node shrinking, 16nm to 12nm. The massive Pascal jump from maxwell, 28nm to 16nm. You'd probably be safe to expect something big from Nvidia again, once they go from 12nm to 7nm. Intel has to shrink their node size or they will be run into the ground pretty quickly in the CPU department
@@facepalm7345 Wonder how bad the launch for intels 10nm will be when amd can hopefully start showing us their 7nm processors.
“We swear, these improvements aren’t solely because of the RTX 2070S!’
Come on Intel....
Marketing!
Just straight lying at this stage.
They can't figure out how to get to 7nm node size, so now they are just making excuses. I wish they would just admit that they are 1.5 years behind in development and price their products appropriately
@@bakedbrotatoes you right 9-th gen wasn't good anyway and intel cheating people
@@bakedbrotatoes they're a lot more than 1.5 years behind. They've been working on 10 nm (same as AMD 7nm) for a long time. They're more like 3 years behind. That being said they've admitted that they're having issues with 10 nm several times.
"Why bother upgrading?" Anyone who goes from a 9th gen to a 10th gen CPU, especially in a laptop, has more money than sense.
Tres Waters are they even out for laptops yet?
@@GrainMuncher laptop CPUs are. Desktop later this month.
You say it as if 1st to 2nd gen or 2nd to 3rd gen upgrades were worth doing. There hasn't been a time in the last 15 years when it was worth buying the NEXT gen upgrade. I'm sure that the 10750H is aimed at people with a 5 or 10 year old processor???
Tres Waters according to the Intel guy a pcworld back in early March when I asked him , 10th gen doesn’t have the security flaws, when I was discussing the difference between the new Ryzen cpus and 10th Gen Intel .
Tres Waters btw- I’m not disagreeing with you , just what he told me .
Intel’s marketing:
Check out the new CPUs! They have 60% more pixels, and are 18 dB louder than the old ones! Also, now with full RGB and 5G options!
5G would be a legit marketing strategy, if they could accept sims be very interesting. Obviously not useful now but in the future
Jacob Lowe 5G comes in 2021. Probably with Alder Lake for Laptops or whatever it will be called.
whoa now.. a CPU with RGB? don't tease me like that -- I NEED an infinity mirror for my infinity mirror
The G in 5G stands for grand
And twice the nanometers over the competition!
intel is digging their graves even further at this point
Intel is aiming for the Mariana Trench Deep Hole! Lol
Today, servers are more important than desktop PC and laptops
@@GameBacardi yeah and Intel has even less on the table in that market..
Yeah, totally. I mean it's not like they posted a record breaking profit of 72 billion just 5 months ago, oh wait..
You fanboys really need to expand your viewpoint and realize that markets such as these make up a very small % of income for Intel and AMD, for that matter.
@@Orcawhale1 so fking what， for consumers, we care about the product which are related to us.
Bruh. Intel really out here using better gpus and claiming higher fps are because of their cpus...
I feel so good buying amd right now.
exactly, what is more shocking is there is only 30% difference between 2070s and 1070. That is like 3 year and 3 generation of cpu and gpu.
Not only that, they are comparing new systems with 3 year old ones. I'd be like AMD comparing Ryzen to A series or FX.
My 3900x is killin it!
professional laptops especially macbooks dont even give choice for amd cpu tho....hate that buying laptop you are forced into an option.
@@petergriffin-cq5kw ouch... as an FX user looking to go ryzen... i feel utterly called out... (I realized a bit ago that even Ryzen 3 3000's can beat my extremely OC 8350 which is pretty sad).
But, yes this is true. Even my FX-8350 which is nearing the best FX is utterly smashed by the lowest R 3000's. I have 8 cores at a stupid clock rate and even then i can barely compete with a CPU with half the cores. Still a great value for when i built it but, the age is really beginning to show now. At this point i am either faced with 2 options. upgrade or hit 5 GHz without melting to slag.
honestly i think im gonna try and stick it out for ryzen 4000. It is so close it feels silly to go AM4 without waiting for the very best it has to offer. This PC still is not bad but, its modern gaming days are number considering i ran into my first unrunnable title about 2 months ago (jedi fallen order).
If you noticed
Amds g14 is cpu 35 w and gpu 65 w was performing very close to intels 45 w cpu and 80w gpu. Which saying loudly that we need ryzen based laptops.
They said
OEMs are bribed by Intel to not release any AMD based system
@@tumpalleonardosinurat2257 ...or all the OEM's tooling has been completely built around a near-unchanging Intel for years now and weren't ready for AMD to release such game-changing performance. Give them a year or two and I'm sure we'll see lots of AMD laptops starting to show up :D
@@blaziken1564 true they also are doubtful of one hit wonders but it is easy to see awd will again match intel next gen in mobile and with all the power amd will have they will be kinder amd already has much more laptops than last year now.
@@blaziken1564 I sure hope that's the case. I'm all for competition. If you want a premium thin-and-light Renoir laptop, the only choice on the market is the ASUS G14. I'm glad that it's a good choice, but I'd also like some competition within AMD-based laptops as well.
@@blaziken1564 they have been known to pay oem to not use amd in the past, especially Dell, i could see them returning to their old ways for sure
30% improvement. So intel is shooting the gun by placing it on Nvidia GPU shoulders while taking all the credit.
With this "methdology" a Pentium can easily outperform an i9-9900K
What?? 30% improvement from 7th gen is the comparison. Not from 9th gen.
@@krioni86sa Yes. But the difference is nonetheless primarily due to the GPU, not the CPU
Dmitry Poletaev :D
Pentium gang rise up
14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It's mostly expensive baby steps with Intel.
Those graphs just really make me want to see AMD-based laptops with higher end Nvidia cards...
Or better yet, have AMD get their damn discreet graphics shit together
tnix88 Pray Q4 will be good, but until it comes, hold off any excitement.
We need to see the benchmarks and official pricing.
And keep in mind that i7-9750H is only around 2% faster than i7-8750H.
Exactly. There hasn't been a time in the last 15 years when it was worth buying the NEXT gen upgrade. I'm sure that the 10750H is aimed at people with a 5 or 10 year old processor.
Got myself one year and a half back. I'm satisfied but I wanna get my hands on those new mobile ryzen processors in the future 😁
@Ishaq Hussain I agree. People say it's hot as hell, but if you do some work it becomes a beast. I undervolted mine to -0.155V, replaced a thermal paste with a liquid metal and it runs fast and cool: 4092Mhz on all six cores reaching only 77-78 degrees Celcius, under max load. Scoring 2774 points on Cinebench R20, not bad for a past-past-gen CPU.
@@MarkLikesCoffee860 i take it you never heard of FX serieres upgrading to 1st gen ryzen, or pentium 4 to core 2 series
@@virtualtools_3021 You're confusing NEW products with GEN upgrades. Ryzen was a new product built from the ground up and was not a generational upgrade from FX. Also, the Core 2 wasn't a generational upgrade from the Pentium 4. The Core 2 architecture was actually based on the Pentium M design from 2003 because it was superior to the Pentium 4. The Pentium M was based on Pentium III which dates back to 1999 which itself was based on Pentium II from 1997 which was based on the Pentium Pro from 1995 and was built from the ground up. Modern Intel processors have there roots dating back to the Pentium Pro from 1995 hence all the security floors. Ryzen only dates back to 2017.
Why am I watching this at 6 am? Because “hadron box” is amazing!!!
Alan Loredo Silva I don’t know if they could make a shirt out of that
It's 6 pm here
It was 9pm in Straya. Now it’s closer to 10pm.
Hard on box
@@p00p00king probly a box travelling in a quantum tunnel
Comparing 7th gen to 10th gen,seems legit
They are all 6th gen ;)
@@Carewolf Intel: wait that's illegal
Seriously, who would rationally consider an Intel laptop with all the cool AMD hardware out there, Intel is frantically paddling as it goes over the waterfall, missing the boat on powerful portables.
At work they tried buying some of the latest AMD Ryzen laptops from HP. Somehow AMD, HP, Microsoft or a combination of the three managed to fuck up something on a low level in their own software. This caused everything, and I do mean everything, to go slow on these machines. They never managed to solve it and we ended up returning several hundred Ryzen laptops.
Only way they can right now is be offered on higher end laptops with a 2070 or better, since the only laptops I see rocking the kickass AMD CPUs are bottlenecked to 2060s and lower, with lower quality laptop builds. It's over once the OEMs start pairing their Ryzen CPUs with higher end GPUs and higher build laptops
Yeah I was looking at the Benchmarks and never seen 1 game that you could tell a difference other than the AMD seemed to have better .1% lows ..which represents a smoother experience
because there are no good amd laptops right now
@@justintie true, some have one good gpu but shitty screen and bad design other is have good screen but bottlenecked by bad gpu... Sigh...
intel is a joke. horrifically evil business practices and complacent management of tech advancement. they were a leader and got lazy. AMD for the win. can't wait to get AMD in my next laptop.
@SOTOS Jeez, I know that misrepresenting the truth is the new black, but you my friend is the very definition of vantablack.
Evil? That's a strong word. They are a large supporter of conflict free materials for example
SOTOS 170$ 3600 is 5% slower than 9900k which costs 3 times as much with the expensive motherboards vs b450. Stop being a fanboy, no company cares about you, follow your wallet
I was so glad to go from my horrible old AMD laptop to a custom i5 Intel laptop. I don't game on it. My Intel laptop will last me until it wears out. Lightning fast at everything I do on it.
Intel CPUs do still lead in certain ways. And the market share of Intel is still way higher than AMD. The large organisation I work for refreshed its Intel laptops with Intel laptops, which will have been the most cost effective option. Businesses are a huge market.
Intel do need to change, but a good new Intel CPU is still a very good CPU. Price though is a sticking point.
@SOTOS If you choose to look at the pure performance yes, but that comes with a 10% price tax, and for that price it's only 5% faster
and once you do mixed loads, the AMD system gets vastly superior performance per watt and performance per dollar, making the Intel counterpart look like a joke.
I have been an Intel user for 8 years and today I switched to AMD with 3700X. Intel lost me and others like me today, just because of that.
Yep. My i5-9600K will be my last intel build. It's not a bad CPU...But there's no sense in upgrading to any Intel beyond this point.
@@shane250 ya I was lucky enough to get an 8700k for $300 @ launch. Probably the last worthwhile cpu they have made.
No, they lost you by not making a proper competing product, nothing else.
Also, you should have gone with a Ryzen 3600 and then sold it a couple of weeks before the release of Ryzen 4000.
That way you'd have enough cpu power, and a minimal loss compared to now.
@@Orcawhale1 I got ryzen 5 1600 and rx 580
But I have 400$ saved up
I kinda want to upgrade to the 3000 series but at the same time I want to wait till the 4000 series to come out
Quitter.
Gaming isn't a real word usage. Only opening Microsoft Excel is a real world usage. As Intel themselves said.
"check my new CPU is faster in games, confirmed when I upgrade my GPU"
yep... what a proof!!!!
Remember kids, you can lie to your customers as long as you call it "marketing"
-gamers nexus steve
No, you can't. The problem is that nobody is bothering to file a class action lawsuit against Intel, for some reason.
Nvidia and AMD has both been sued in the past for similar things, and both lost in court.
(GTX 970 3.5 gb vram, and AMD's FX number of cores).
@@Orcawhale1 I bet you its because intel pay off those who wants to sue em, paying em without media coverage is cheaper than getting sued... Intel should not exist anymore considering the practices they use.
My eyeball was stuck looking at the AMD system @35 Watts with the 2060 @65 Watts
Welcome back to hadron box.
You all have filthy imagination
GameBacardi turn on close captions and watch the beginning of the video.
hadron
My take away from this is that laptops with a 2060 only performs a couple frames batter than a 1660ti 🤔
Not even that... 1660ti basically is equal to rtx 2060 or better 😅
A lot of the gpu's ability is wasted on "rtx" and "tensor cores", thats basicly all you are paying for over a 1660ti
The 2070 is only about 10fps better than the 1660ti in laptops. It's crazy.
Amen dude. Given the pricing difference between 1660ti and 2060 laptops, I'd be more than happy to save a couple hundred bucks and miss out on just 2-3% lows.
Naah y'all are just too cheap and broke 🤣😂😂. RTX is definitely thr future of gaming. Ray tracing and the new audio technology from Dolby is heavily supported by RTX cards. These cards are marketed for a different demographics. That's why they're considered premium. Now get your cheap AMD fanboism outta here smh
"welcome to hadron box" ok next batch of meme merch confirmed
As a physics enthusiast, yes please! Hadron box would be awesome :D
Can't wait to ditch my 9900K desktop for a Ryzen 5000HS and a mobile RTX 3080 (Super?) when it comes out. Looking forward
NEEKYZY ✔ ditching a 9900k, why lmao
@@unsettledroell I wanna replace my system with a mobile solution
@@Neekzu no just dont do that, after 2 or 3 years you will suffer because of no upgrade .i still use my old lenovo y700 from 2016 because i cant afford a new gaming laptop but if i bought a same price gaming pc back then i couldve upgraded the gpu and can play newer title .now that laptop became a heavy office laptop because it cant run newer title even at 30 fps lowest settings consistently (no cod warzone, no apex legend etc)
Definitly a bad idea. The 9900k has plenty of juice in it.
@@elirantuil5003 it's not about the juice, it's about sending a message
Jeez what a sheeetshow from Intel. Hardly suprised, though :)
Still it gets topped by Nvidia d-move with GDDR 11Gbit/s memory for the 2020 models of RTX2060.
My main takeaway from those charts is that whichever laptop had the 9750H & 1660Ti is probably an even better buy than either of the 2060 ones
Have one like that. It's plenty enough, people. Once zen 4k laptop land, I may sell and switch 😂
The funniest thing was looking at the 35W Ryzen with the 65W Max-Q 2060 being almost as fast as the 125W Intel systems.
Conclusion: Buy a laptop with a Ryzen 9 4900HS. It provides similar performance with lower power consumption.
And lower price.
intel is so lame, comparing the 10th gen to a 7th gen... LAME
I imagine there must be a conversation between PR and engineering department for this 10th gen mobile refresh debacle.
Ultimately, PR guy won, since 10 > 9, and most consumer aren't tech literate enough to understand the difference is marginal, and will still insist on getting the ''newest and greatest''.
The market reaction also seems to suggest that Intel's gamble paid off, 10th gen refresh flushed the market, Ryzen 4000 is still on the sideline, despite being obviously superior option if priced comparably. If only more consumer actively aware what should they look for when making a laptop/desktop purchase......
If you're wishing and waiting for people to become less moronic, you are being cruel to yourself, because you'll be waiting forevermore lol
it is more passive the mindshare an average person asks a couple of his friends and provided those friends keep up they will get more and more amd recommendations.
you didn't leave me anything to question about, it was so nice to watch your video, i learned much. Thank you .
What I learned from this video: buy a desktop.
Or if you need a laptop for productivity and some gaming, get the new Ryzen 4000 ones as they’re less expensive and perform just as well and better than the Core i9 processors on offer in the case of the 4900 and 4800.
Of course, if you want a super high end GPU with a desktop replacement, you’re SOL if you want anything other than Intel
Or wait for ryzen 4th zen laptops
You save money, or get better performance. Also, if something breaks, you either fix a desktop or trash the laptop. I have no idea why people buy gaming laptops.
@@JaySilva88 cause im in college
@@JaySilva88 I travel for work so desktop is a non option
Thinking about getting my wife a new Asus G14 with how good those Ryzen numbers are.
Also, she won't complain that it's loud. From other reviews I've heard that if they set it to balanced mode it is whisper quiet while still plenty fast.
Poo response time my man
"Hadron box", subtitles are improving...
An intentionally misleading chart from Intel? Imagine my shock
wake me up when intel can deliver a new architecture on a new node
euphoria. They did. It's called Ice Lake on 10nm+. And it was still a sidegrade vs Kaby Lake-R/Whisky Lake/Comet Lake.
It looks like we might die sooner
I find it very interesting that the i7 9750H with the GTX1660ti is as fast or faster than the RTX2060 in most tests (although that config disappeared from the Shadow of the Tomb Raider result).
Also how come the ASUS TUF A15 Ryzen 7/ GTX1660ti laptop isn't in those results?
This video was nicely done, thank you for doing this!
Great video. Thanks!
Exactly the information I was looking for...HP Omen, 10750H vs 9750H, RTX2060, same specs, yet the 10750H is cheaper here at the moment. Thanks
Gotta love the NewEgg discount at 14:15
Thankgod i didnot move to 10gen from 9th gen thabkgod this man deserve more than 1 million susbribers
Undervolting the i7 9750h gives you pretty good performance gains. My cinebench 20 score is 3093 with running turbo clock speeds without throttling. I also advice changing the thermal paste and using a cooling pad.
Yeah the i7 9750H crushes the i7 10750H with undervolting because i doubt intel chips can run cool at stock in every laptop and so i7 10750H will obviously thermal throttle hard in gaming
another year another rebrand
Intel is using Nvidia to bail them out, lower GPU prices for the same GPU, and not giving highest tier GPUs to AMD CPU laptops.
Great video quality! Keep it up!
While it doesn't impact the gaming benchmark results, it's important to remember that a laptop is kinda a full system with roughly zero upgrade path. So any changes/upgrades to other stuff, from memory, storage and IO to display, keyboard, battery etc - is also really significant factors for a purchase decision.
Wow i was waiting for this
Makes me glad that I got my Lenovo Legion with the i7 9750h, and 1660ti, over the 2060. The performance difference makes the 2060 pointless, unless you really want ray tracing.
I have an I7-8750h and I won't bother upgrading to 10th gen lmao. I'll wait for those Ryzen 9 4900H laptops to come out, that's a decent upgrade.
Just got a refurbished Asus Zephyrus with a 8750h and gtx 1070 for £760, upgraded to dual channel 32gb of RAM for 58 pounds more.
Will perform like any of this laptops pretty much, maybe even better in GPU heavy applications. With an undervolt+OC the 1070 runs consistently at 1.9~2ghz depending on the game.
Only downside is thicc bezels, but the screen is gorgeous and WAY better than anything you'd get in the £1k range.
Pretty happy, will keep this until nice Ryzen laptops (or intel...) come out in a few years, with Zen 4 or something, which will hopefully BTFO everything we have atm.
i thought intel would really upgrade to 28nm+++^3x2+. 10 times the nanometers must mean 10x the performance!
Interesting to see that these two models are also in an essential tie with the 1660Ti based laptops as well.
You can buy a Razer 15 Laptop with an i7-10875H (300Hz) for the same price of the same laptop with an i7-9750H (240Hz) core. I don’t really understand why people hate on the newer ones, mainly because I’m new to purchasing laptops and such.
Can someone please make this clearer for me?
Thank you very much for your video and keep up the good work.
Very nice overview and comparison
I have 2 laptops right now. Bought an MSI with the 10750H for mining crypto because it was on sale for a ridiculously cheap $870. My main system has been an ASUS ROG with the 9750H. I don't know if I should even bother swapping my 32gb ram kit and 1TB SSD to upgrade the 10750H laptop's existing components. I guess not
Thank you :) It really helped me on choosing a right laptop
Thanks for the deep analysis, this makes me want to upgrades... To AMD.
Best bet is just wait before jumping to upgrade until the 2nd / 3rd gen release of new devices that have been perfected to where the gains are noticable. Not to mention the mid range i7 line seems to be a thing of the past for gaming cuz Intel is gonna focus more on the high end i9 to compete with Ryzen & replace the old i7 Kaby / Coffee Lake alot of ppl use atm. Wont be long before the i9, i7, & i5 drop a tier when new chip comes out to replace the i9 as the high end chips for casual market while the i3 get pushed out as being considered viable. Especially with Ryzen chips being performance & prices being the better looking model option for gamer market if you don't wana drop as much money on an i9.
sry can someone explain me how we can go from 1375mhz memory to 11gbps?
(Added Edit) LOL did not think you would have caught that, I immediately noticed when I looked at the Texel output numbers!
Good job spotting that as well Tim, you kick ass!
4:20 (Edit 4:51 as well! Same 160 TMU on a 2060 GPU) *WHOA THERE! Why does the MSI RTX 2060 have 160 TMU when the Older Acer one (the RTX with the faster VRAM) has only 120 TMU according to GPU-Z?*
How can the SAME GPU have DIFFERENT amounts of Texture Units - when ALL other functional units are identical??
Different die? Error by GPU-Z? Either way, I MUST KNOW MORE! Please look into this! The newer RTX 2060 has no Die information in gpu-z, but I am guessing that it is a TU104 - how else would it have different numbers of TMU??
In any case, SOMEHOW the newer RTX 2060 Mobile has more TMUs!
I have been scrubbing the internet LOOKING for information about new RTX 2060 mobile with a reported 160 TMU instead of the 120 that EVERY other RTX 2060 has, but I cannot find anything at all!
Ryan Shrout earning his pay by providing Intel that "marketing strategy".
i'm sure you heard about the 14 gbps performance bump for the 5600 XT, but i just wanna know if you're gonna show the before & after because i can't find a single video on youtube about it
I know it's only 1080p, but playing all of these games at high or maxed settings, in AAA titles, will still cause gpu bottlenecks. Like, even the desktop comparison is starting to run into a gpu bottleneck (going off other benchmarks ive watched). You should really run the games at a mixture of medium and high, because a cpu test where the gpu is maxed obviously defeats the whole point. Not that the difference in cpu will be massive, but right now you seem to be holding them back.
My old laptop died about 6 weeks ago whilst on lockdown. So, without much experience, I bought an MSI GL75 9SE. Core i7-9750H with RTX 2060. If I'd known 10th Gen was coming out, I'd have waited. So pleased I didn't, especially after watching this. Thank you for making me feel smug :)
How come you didn't consider ryzen?
I would love to hear from you guys how viable would it be to use a external 2080ti connected to the pci 1x slot for laptop tests...as a more "apples to apples" comparison. I imagine the 20% more or less reduction in performance on the GPU side would still allow the 2080ti not to bottleneck any of those processors, and, thermals would be solely dependent on processor usage, a win-win situation. Moreover, the pcie x1 would allow for standardization of any future tests as it's already know what to expect from the GPU.
My only issue with Ryzen mobile is the laptops they are in. I have a P75 creator and really can't imagine doing dev work on the go with a 15 inch and/or 1080p screen.
This laptop has a huge screen, 4K and 3 M.2 ports. I make use of all of this and AMD just isn't in a competing product. I'd love to jump ship though, just don't have any options.
Today the subtitles say "hadron box" 👀
Time to split some atoms then.
Intel processors are hot enough to fuse Helium atoms lol
Can we see a Streaming comparison between the Intel and AMDs new mobile CPUs. I'm curious for the results. Because I did not see any Reviews about how it perfomance while streaming.
Would it be possible to achieve a standard gpu conditions for the benchmarks by using an e-gpu? It would limit to pcs which have thunderbolt but it's something pretty standard
You don't really need that. I doubt all machines have a GPU from Nvidia soldered to the PCB. If so all you need is a PCIe cable connecting your external GPU to the internal plug and an spare power supply to deliver the power. The latter you just start by shorting the "on switch" that's normally shorted by the motherboard.
I bought my wife and myself a 9750h, 2060 combo last year.
We are very happy with em, they run nice and fast.
Intel are shady, lying bastards though, lmao :))
Wait, the 1660 Ti is on par more or less with both these 2060 laptops?!
Yeah it's very close when both are 80W, the 2060 is a few percent faster on average
@@Hardwareunboxed I wonder what the price difference is between laptops for that few percent increase 🤔 (again assuming they're running at the same wattage)
It used to be pretty bad. With the new generation it looks like the margin has shrunk
@@Hardwareunboxed Rightly so, I guess the advantage is the "RTX features" and that's pretty much all the extra incentive they can offer for a bump in price
@@TechHunterOfficial Pretty much. You're paying the premium for features that are at their least useful in that SKU (RTX is more worthwhile the higher you go in the stack), which is a pretty bad situation lol
By the way, just a minor note, Metro Exodus doesn't use a colon.
I want the 1440p laptop. Most laptops with the current GPUs are either OP for 1080p or undepowered for 4k 60FPS. I feel like 1440p is the sweet spot moving from CPU bound to a more equal GPU and CPU usage. Can you comment on this?
do people upgrade processors every year?
I'd assume just video editors and people who do a lot of heavy workloads upgrade every year. I only use my pc for gaming and I upgraded from 4th gen Intel to 3rd gen ryzen which is like a 6 year gap or something lol
OverClockers mostly do
@@GameBacardi Overclockers are a very small percentage. Millions of businesses across the world (accountants, bankers, teachers, architects, real estate, car sales, university, schools etc) buy computers. They don't buy every gen - they're replacing 3 or 4 year old computers. Then there's parents buying for their kids schoolwork etc. Most of these people don't subscribe to hardware unboxed etc. They just lookout for the Intel badge because of all the commercials they've seen for the last 30 years. I work in a store that sells computers and they see an AMD badge and they say they've never heard of it. They just look for Intel.
No, but you have 8th, 9th, & 10th gen laptops in the market at the same time with newer gen being more expensive even if they all come with the same GPU. This helps folks decide whether it's worth it to pay more for the latest gen.
I had to move from the third gen i3 notebook, and I have chosen the 10th gen (i7-10750h, in a dell xps) few days ago.
That's a huge upgrade, congrats!
Please help what do you think I should buy. MSI GE66 Raider i7 10750h rtx 2070 or Asus ROG Scar17 i7 10875h rtx 2060
Well. Looking at what nVidia can put in 80W on mobile, it's a shame they can't do a decent 75W PCIe card.
Money. Money. Money. That's why.
I should have waited.. but I jumped the gun and got the 9750h.. rtx 2060 but upgraded to 16gb of ram like the new gf 65. So with the almost identical performance. The 9750H should keep running games fine for the next few years?
I am so early today. Just to watch how intel has messed up again.
Should I choose Msi Gs65 with i7 9th gen or Gf63 with i7 10th gen. The other specs are the same except of the gpu which is better on gs65.
What about going from the 8th to 10th gen? Does it make a difference?
I ordered a 10750H/2070S laptop to replace my 7700HQ/1060 one. I considered a closeout 9th gen one but the ones getting closed out offered no benefit spec wise. The fact that Nvidia dropped the prices a tier for GPUs sorta hurt the closeout specials in some cases, I possibly just missed the really good deals
And for me it's also getting me a much better cooling system and a MUCH BETTER screen.
The only thing I can think of where 10th might have an advantage is in larger laptops with more cooling headroom where they might sustain higher boost speeds.. But that's a lot of maybes
Damn that AMD Asus G14 with a 65W 2060 competes super well with the 80W + intel laptops
I am sure the higher single core frequency will boost my fps significantly in Tetris on 720p.
basically rebrand (of rebrand)
of a rebrand of a rebrand of Skylake
@@Carewolf Which in turn could be rebrands of Haswell, and in turn even that could be a rebrand of a rebrand of Sandy Bridge!
Yeah, makes sense that these wouldn't be much better. I speculated that the new chips with the same power target 'might' be 2-5% better at most and looks that way. Seems that Intel is going to improve performance more than 2-5% on the desktop platform by increasing power to the CPU (working with MB mfg to make better VRMs) and the thermal velocity boost could be a decent addition (not great, decent).
I'm very interested to see what the perf. delta is between Ryzen 4000 desktop and the recently released Intel lineup. I'm much, much more interested in 0.1% lows and random frametime spikes vs max average FPS. I'd take a more stable frametime with slightly higher 0.1% lows vs a setup with 5-10% more average FPS. 9900k & 10900k are pretty much king in this arena atm.
Watching all the included ads in the video to support the channel
Or put another way, consider other factors besides the CPU when shopping for an Intel 9750H vs 10750H laptop. Yes price is a key factor as stated here but also factor LCD display features, keyboard, RAM, battery life, build quality, etc...
The 10th generation is warmer or cooler?
Would there be a significant upgrade if you swapped the memory sticks with 3600MHz GSkill SODIMMs?
Intel 6xxxHQ: why bother upgrading?
Can't you lower the GPU mem clock using MSI afterburner? To make a more apples to apples comparison
I know the new 2060's won't do 14gbs memory this is just for us actually interested in the apples to apples comparison
Exc! What camera are you using ?
Hello hardware unboxed , genuinely curious that GTX 1660TI with i5 9300H beats RTX 2060 in some games is this real lol ? And is it really worth it to buy i5 9300H for gaming ? Since i see little to no difference with an i7 ? Please reply thank you
Is this system good for vray rendering and modelling
I was also somewhat surprised by the comparison between RTX2060 and GTX1660Ti. Not much difference in many benchmarks. Would there be a noticeable difference in price between configurations with one over the other?
The one upshot to all this is that the bigger number in the product name means laptops with the smaller number will start going on clearance sales. I jumped on one with a 9750H when a local retailer put it up for a 25% discount.