1st battery loosened it. You can literally see the roll stamping on the socket rotate about 1/6 of a turn and then when you go at it with the forge, it rotated immediately because it was already broken loose.
Brushless can pull some crazy amps. Like normal 5.0s can do 40amps. 6.0 high output can do 70 amps. 8.0 high output is like 60 amps. The forge lipos can do well over 80 amps with way less voltage drop. Like using a single vs double stack battery. Huge difference.
Y'all are dumb, it's a double sided impact socket so one side has a 19mm and the other may have a 21mm with a square in the middle of the socket that cannot be reached by the guns original square so it needs an extension to reach down into the socket
@@shadow25251313but a solid sized socket would provide much more impact then having the extension plus the socket attached. Those flip sockets should really only be used with a breaker bar or torque wrench if the lug nut hole is small and a regular socket doesn’t fit over the lug.
For those wondering, the forge battery is actually a significant performance upgrade even when compared to the ‘High output’ 5s & 6s, - the first battery would have been just fine with a few more impacts 100%- but the main issue here is that damn stubby extension.. impacts HATE THEM 😅
The high output 6s are my fav think it's been tested and they output more than the 8s and 12s because of the cells that they use so it would be a better comparison to use the old 6 and new 6
Hey here’s a tip. Get deep sockets instead of those double sided ones with the short extension. Believe it or not you are loosing a serious amount of torque with that set up. I know because when I started as a tech I used the same set up. Ran into countless issues till I switched to regular impact deep sockets
That looks like a high torque. If it is then I can assure the standard battery is wayyy more than enough to remove those lug nuts. I remove lug nuts on my diesel using 3.0 & 5.0 battery’s and it knocks them off without hardly even impacting
First battery loosened it, but usually thays what happens when you put a more efficient battery into the system, it may be the same voltage but when it can deliver power more effectively, it makes a big difference. You'll also get more power out of a batter that has more capacity when the c rating is high
Good thing that first impact sesh rattled the threads and you could demonstrate the power of the second battery like butter😂 I have a non forge Milwaukee battery set and they do just fine fully charged
U can see on first battery the gun set at 2 then the forge he pushed to 3… and I remove lugs with my 3/8 m12 so in ain’t the battery just the poor demonstration from the .5 second u put it on the first time.
Right lol I have a ryobi 1/2" impact and it's taken off the lug nuts on every car I've used it on for the past 3 years lol (I'm not a mechanic, just hate paying 100 bucks for full synthetic oil change and tire rotation when I used to get it done for 60-70 back in 2018 timeframe.)
I'll put my harbor freight Hercules ultra torque up against any comparable impact pneumatic or battery. I bust 1" 1¼" Dayton aka "widow maker" lugs on old mack log trucks on the regular some look like they ain't seen a wrench in 20yrs been ran over by every axle of a fully loaded log truck fiber fix & electrical tape on the grip 2 yrs later still performs like the day i bought it love making believers out of the fellas best $200 I've ever spent on a tool hands down
All I have to say is I’m a heavy equipment mechanic and have broken loose many of big bolts with thread locker torqued to 420 and broken them just demonstrate to the old guys battery powered tools really put in work and if that regular m18 impact battery can move lug nuts something’s wrong
So, never seen a 'Forge' battery before, what's the deal? The motor and transmission in the impact are what matter, the battery is just where the electricity comes from. Does the regular Milwaukee battery just suck so badly it doesn't power the tool?
current cells are 21700 cylinders, forge are pack cells like what your phone has. dewalt calls them powerstack, because they're literally atacked up. because of that the power is different, and they let out more power faster making the motor work harder than previous battery could allow
Well being that they are brushless they need a esc to controll the motor and I've not seen a esc inside the skin so I'd say it's inside the battery with the bsm so if the esc and bms in the forged battery puts out let's say 40 amp and the normal only puts out 30 amp then yes the battery will have a huge effect on the performance
Tell us more about that wire wheel contraption on the edge of the bench. Is this fabro cobbled together from spares or throw out bits? Looks very handy & at the same time clenching to use.
Dude its a 3 inch extension its nit absorbing much of anything more than a regular deepwell non inpact socket. Loss of torque is on 6" and above you aren't losing your pwoer with 3 inches.
NGL this surprised the crap outta me with my Ryobi set. Because the bigger batter was only supposed to have a higher capacity meaning longer run time and not more power but omg the difference in power between them is nuts.
I would test it with 2 different bolts, both tightened with a torque wrench to make sure they're the same. You barely let it run with the first battery, so it probably just about brokenit loose and the other battery finished the job
Since I don't need to really go anywhere with tools I just put a bunch of MeanWell 48V power supplies in parallel and ran 2 jumper cables to the impact for maximum ugga dugga without power differences in batteries. I should get better impulse control.
That impact was made to use the new forge battery. (Shouldn't even say you could use old version) Same as new stubby m12 is only good with the 5.0 output.
To properly test it, he should have retightened the bolt to the exact same torque. The next best thing would have been to try one of the other bolts, which hasn't been affected by vibrations from the first try.
I have a stubby Milwaukee gun with standard 12V4AH battery. It has no problem removing wheel nuts from Silverado’s, their torque is 190 nm so dunno why yours couldn’t crack it loose. Even though it did lol
i have the same tool and this is accurate on an everyday way. i never use the basic batteries anymore because they do not utilize the full strength of the tool.
The first thing I got told was to never impact lug nuts because it’ll break the bolts… that impact gun is well and truly bigger then the ones I was told to be careful with… just for the record, impact, not use, I was told not to go ugga dugga-ing and to stop almost as soon as I heard it start
I have a sneaking suspicion that the first battery loosened it, almost like it took a second to take it off, almost like it’s an impact drill and it takes a second to get reeeaallly stuck bolts off
im taking the car yesterday to get my tyres changed, there were 2 young lads over there but they only had 1 impoct gun between them, one took it and went to do the front and the otherone was left there speechless (guess they're not friends) so I just took the breaker bar I have in the car and gave it to the lad , he asked me how to use it because apparently this was his first job and nobody told him how to use manual tools yet.... told him sometimes this bar will be helpful when you get a really stuck up bolts (like the one in the video)
Look at the way that gun kicks to the left on the first battery that means he is tighten it. When he put the second battery in, he must switch directions.
It was tight, until the 1st battery loosened it.
No lol, you don't understand tools
@@bigwahoo8686 look, two bots arguing with each other. Just like twitter
If it was loosened than it would have came off
@@Rockardo_ it did come off
He’s the type of person to struggle opening a jar and say “I LoOsEnEd iT fOr YoU🤡”😂
That's. a really stupid demonstration .
You are right... like come on are we that stupid 😂
Breaks it loose with the mil battery then finished it off with the "better" battery
No, the Forge batteries actually produce way more torque in testing. He's not making it up at all. @@ZeroKool360
😂hes faking it even a 12volt battery hook on through wire clamp will remove thr nut
I was questioning myself why he did not change to a different lug nut. 😂
I’m glad you’re not my mechanic 😂
You never know
It's loosening so doesn't matter
I bet he ugga dugga the lug back on. Screw the next guy am I right?
my friend, you loosened it with the first battery and the second one simply completed the job
@mastershake42019 you sound like a child.
1st battery loosened it. You can literally see the roll stamping on the socket rotate about 1/6 of a turn and then when you go at it with the forge, it rotated immediately because it was already broken loose.
Your a whole lot a fun aren’t ya
It rotated to the right, he tightened it for some odd reason. Perhaps to be funny?
Ya beat me too it. I'm glad I work on my own car. 😂
@@Zuhxyynothing wrong with pointing out this dude is an idiot in the first battery worked just fine
im thinking the milwaukee had broke the nut loose ,
They were both Milwaukee
@@robkoepnick5507 I think you missed the joke
@@robkoepnick5507jump higher
Sherlock Holmes here
It wasn't loose until he turned the tool after putting the different battery in... you're welcome
Holy cow, imagine packing so much incompetence into 10 seconds. Very impressive!
By "nothing" he means "something", and by "like it wasn't even tight" he means "because it wasn't even tight anymore"
I like how this man got the WRATH of fellow mechanics
its rage bait for engagement
Yea it also helps when you turn it the right direction
Brushless can pull some crazy amps. Like normal 5.0s can do 40amps. 6.0 high output can do 70 amps. 8.0 high output is like 60 amps. The forge lipos can do well over 80 amps with way less voltage drop. Like using a single vs double stack battery. Huge difference.
Take the f-ing extension off of it and you would have gotten it off. Also use an impact rated socket.
Needs the extension so the battery doesn't hit the tire. And it is an impact socket.
Can't take the extension off because then the tool itself would be hitting the rim. The socket is also an impact socket.
Omg dude😂
Y'all are dumb, it's a double sided impact socket so one side has a 19mm and the other may have a 21mm with a square in the middle of the socket that cannot be reached by the guns original square so it needs an extension to reach down into the socket
Tell me you don’t know shit without telling me you don’t know shit. He has to use that socket like that. It has 2 sides. It’s meant for wheels.
I work as a boiler maker and I just bought the forge battery it's a world of difference would recommend 👌
Thank you, Sir!
That's the kind of response we all need. Not all the BS posturing everyone else seems to be full of. 💯
✌🏼🖖🏼
@VoteBlue4Peace-LoveInUSAagain You're not getting positive responses that you wanted or expected though. Was this the only one so far?
Using the right socket and taking off the un needed extension also helps like a lot….
That’s what I was gonna say that socket doesn’t look like it has much mass to it
It's a reversible socket. One sides 19mm the other 21mm. It's used for lug nuts, and yes you need to use an extension with it.
@@shadow25251313one no it’s not a actual thick impact socket is made for lugs 2 no you don’t need a extension
Reversible sockets need an extension pushed through the back to be used. That’s the point of a 2 way / reversible socket.
@@shadow25251313but a solid sized socket would provide much more impact then having the extension plus the socket attached. Those flip sockets should really only be used with a breaker bar or torque wrench if the lug nut hole is small and a regular socket doesn’t fit over the lug.
For those wondering, the forge battery is actually a significant performance upgrade even when compared to the ‘High output’ 5s & 6s, - the first battery would have been just fine with a few more impacts 100%- but the main issue here is that damn stubby extension.. impacts HATE THEM 😅
The high output 6s are my fav think it's been tested and they output more than the 8s and 12s because of the cells that they use so it would be a better comparison to use the old 6 and new 6
Hey here’s a tip. Get deep sockets instead of those double sided ones with the short extension. Believe it or not you are loosing a serious amount of torque with that set up. I know because when I started as a tech I used the same set up. Ran into countless issues till I switched to regular impact deep sockets
Bro switched direction after he switched battery
That's what I was thinking I heard
You can see it, in the way his hand gets pulled. It is definitely trying to tighten the nut.
Ive got a range of high output Milwaukee batteries, I thought they were untouchable until I bought a Forge. Levels
That looks like a high torque. If it is then I can assure the standard battery is wayyy more than enough to remove those lug nuts. I remove lug nuts on my diesel using 3.0 & 5.0 battery’s and it knocks them off without hardly even impacting
What diesel? The 8 lug hub piloted wheels on GM's require less torque than the 6 lugs wheels on my F150.
@@Flamingtac0 130ft/lb torqued lug nuts.
The first battery is fucked, unbalanced batteries. That's the only reason for something like that
First battery loosened it, but usually thays what happens when you put a more efficient battery into the system, it may be the same voltage but when it can deliver power more effectively, it makes a big difference. You'll also get more power out of a batter that has more capacity when the c rating is high
Would've been better testing them on separate lug nuts my dude
Smooth switching the drill from forward to reverse on the battery change lol
Buddy, I can see the bold move on the first battery
Good thing that first impact sesh rattled the threads and you could demonstrate the power of the second battery like butter😂 I have a non forge Milwaukee battery set and they do just fine fully charged
Anyone else noticed him giving it half a turn, and you can hear it break loose before he pulls the trigger. 🤷🏽♂️🤔
Impacts don't work that way. You can't loosen a bolt by turning the gun.
As Tim Allen from Home Improvement use to say, "More Power"..
U can see on first battery the gun set at 2 then the forge he pushed to 3… and I remove lugs with my 3/8 m12 so in ain’t the battery just the poor demonstration from the .5 second u put it on the first time.
Right lol I have a ryobi 1/2" impact and it's taken off the lug nuts on every car I've used it on for the past 3 years lol (I'm not a mechanic, just hate paying 100 bucks for full synthetic oil change and tire rotation when I used to get it done for 60-70 back in 2018 timeframe.)
he was tightening on the first batt loosening on the second
the forge battery is a beast though
I thought it was set on setting one but couldn't quite confirm this because you can't use the playback slow motion for shorts.
Using an extension
Work at a dealer ship and you get turned away if you use battery tools to take off and tighten lugs 😂
Yeah, I would hope so. I've tried them on lug nuts. Can go almost twice as far by hand. 😅
If you use tork sticks they work pretty well. Always double check with a wrench though
@@redrum527wtf are you talking about? I'd like to see you double the tightening of any milwaukee impact
@@jakewilliams9809 I’d be easy with leverage
I'll put my harbor freight Hercules ultra torque up against any comparable impact pneumatic or battery. I bust 1" 1¼" Dayton aka "widow maker" lugs on old mack log trucks on the regular some look like they ain't seen a wrench in 20yrs been ran over by every axle of a fully loaded log truck fiber fix & electrical tape on the grip 2 yrs later still performs like the day i bought it love making believers out of the fellas best $200 I've ever spent on a tool hands down
All I have to say is I’m a heavy equipment mechanic and have broken loose many of big bolts with thread locker torqued to 420 and broken them just demonstrate to the old guys battery powered tools really put in work and if that regular m18 impact battery can move lug nuts something’s wrong
If an impact sockets fits the application, the extra weight from the socket will loosen the nuts faster.
Is that a 3/8 or 1/2?
Re tighten it before using the bigger battery
So, never seen a 'Forge' battery before, what's the deal? The motor and transmission in the impact are what matter, the battery is just where the electricity comes from. Does the regular Milwaukee battery just suck so badly it doesn't power the tool?
New cell they're using compared to the normal batteries were use to, able to deliver more current cause of less resistance.
current cells are 21700 cylinders, forge are pack cells like what your phone has. dewalt calls them powerstack, because they're literally atacked up. because of that the power is different, and they let out more power faster making the motor work harder than previous battery could allow
a beefier battery is actually more important, more amps make a motor spin faster from what i recall
David doesn't know things, but he talks like he knows things. It's odd because he comes across so confident In things he doesn't know.
Well being that they are brushless they need a esc to controll the motor and I've not seen a esc inside the skin so I'd say it's inside the battery with the bsm so if the esc and bms in the forged battery puts out let's say 40 amp and the normal only puts out 30 amp then yes the battery will have a huge effect on the performance
Get solid sockets without that adapter thingy it would come out with the first battery
Glad i went for a makita
This guy is a genius.
ah yes, the industry standard 0.5 second test
My 1/2" loves the 6 amp high output A LOT
All my milwaukee batteries are standard, and i have zero problems with them removing lug nuts.
That standard battery “helped” 😂😂
You have an extension on it. That reduces power. I used a regular battery all day long with no problems taking out big lugs and sub frame bolts
“Like it wasn’t even tight “
That’s because it wasn’t 😂
Take the extension off and use weighted impact sockets. My stubby could take that off like it wasn’t even tight.
Tell us more about that wire wheel contraption on the edge of the bench. Is this fabro cobbled together from spares or throw out bits? Looks very handy & at the same time clenching to use.
i work on rigs and rigids alike and have never had any issues with the standard batteries
The extention is absorbing all the force. Do it with jus a socket
An impact socket helps to.
Dude its a 3 inch extension its nit absorbing much of anything more than a regular deepwell non inpact socket. Loss of torque is on 6" and above you aren't losing your pwoer with 3 inches.
NGL this surprised the crap outta me with my Ryobi set. Because the bigger batter was only supposed to have a higher capacity meaning longer run time and not more power but omg the difference in power between them is nuts.
All I own is Milwaukee and I love there products
Without that extension and just regular 1/2 drive impact socket would’ve got the nod done with the first battery
This made me chuckle.
When you use the battery intended for a device it usually works how it’s suppose to.
I would test it with 2 different bolts, both tightened with a torque wrench to make sure they're the same. You barely let it run with the first battery, so it probably just about brokenit loose and the other battery finished the job
Since I don't need to really go anywhere with tools I just put a bunch of MeanWell 48V power supplies in parallel and ran 2 jumper cables to the impact for maximum ugga dugga without power differences in batteries. I should get better impulse control.
That impact was made to use the new forge battery.
(Shouldn't even say you could use old version)
Same as new stubby m12 is only good with the 5.0 output.
Yeah, I'm gonna rush out and buy every forge battery I can find now.
That bolt snapped my guy
12.0 hd battery works great on grinders and sawzaw. All use it on my 1/2 when 5.0 doesn’t work.
Pay attention to what direction that tool moved on that first time. He was tightening the lug.
It snapped wtf 😂😂
To properly test it, he should have retightened the bolt to the exact same torque. The next best thing would have been to try one of the other bolts, which hasn't been affected by vibrations from the first try.
Try using the Milwaukee battery in the Milwaukee impact, I think it has somewhere between 1300-1600 ft pounds of torque breaking ability
Iv never had issues with the standard ones takeing off tuck lugs
It was on tighten the first time,look at the direction the impact was kicking
I have a stubby Milwaukee gun with standard 12V4AH battery. It has no problem removing wheel nuts from Silverado’s, their torque is 190 nm so dunno why yours couldn’t crack it loose. Even though it did lol
Regardless of whether or not the first one loosened I could rewire the first to make it do that. It’s nothing special just voltage output
Same thing with dewalt power stack batteries apparently. I've never felt so much like a sucker to want to buy "better" batteries for my tools.
i have the same tool and this is accurate on an everyday way. i never use the basic batteries anymore because they do not utilize the full strength of the tool.
The first thing I got told was to never impact lug nuts because it’ll break the bolts… that impact gun is well and truly bigger then the ones I was told to be careful with… just for the record, impact, not use, I was told not to go ugga dugga-ing and to stop almost as soon as I heard it start
I've got a Milwaukee impact I've had for 3 years I charged it when I bought it and use it all the time it's still on 2 bars
It was tight until the first battery loosened it
I have a sneaking suspicion that the first battery loosened it, almost like it took a second to take it off, almost like it’s an impact drill and it takes a second to get reeeaallly stuck bolts off
I’ve used the regular batteries for years and I’ve never had a problem taking off a wheel lug just because of the battery 😂
Is impact on lug nut bad?
In fact, with a brushless motor, its power is affected by the volume of the battery itself
Thats crazy my DeWalt 1/2 works just fine with a regular 20v 5 amper, it works great with the 1.7 amp hour powerstack too
"It's like it was never tight"
Sir that's cuz you loosened it with the first one😂
im taking the car yesterday to get my tyres changed, there were 2 young lads over there but they only had 1 impoct gun between them, one took it and went to do the front and the otherone was left there speechless (guess they're not friends) so I just took the breaker bar I have in the car and gave it to the lad , he asked me how to use it because apparently this was his first job and nobody told him how to use manual tools yet.... told him sometimes this bar will be helpful when you get a really stuck up bolts (like the one in the video)
I can confirm there is a massive difference between the 2
I run aftermarket larger batteries in my 12v stuff this g i find is they literally let the tool draw to much power and they overheat super fast.
This the same guy that asks if you have a 4wd or 2WD, and all you need is windshield wipers
Will a higher power battery burn the tool up?
Why didn't you switch Lugnuts as well?
You literally knocked it loose, switched batteries and finished the job😂
Regardless of brand, a 40v battery meets the 10 cell battery voltage aka 10s. 3.4-4.2v volts per cell 4.0vx10=40v
When mechanics try " paid product placement" ads and realize they were swerved into that new battery again.
Take the extension off and boom it will come right off. I’ve had a regular battery for almost 2 years and they take off f350 wheels just fine
he literally hand torqued the tool and bolt loose between battery’s 😂 shenanigans
First one you had it set to tightening, can tell btmy the direction it wanted to push the impact drill
Social media mechanics will be the death of me.
It impacted for like 1/4 of a second when you switched it
Milwaukee batteries already cost more than the tool I can only imagine the price on this one but I do like their tools a lot
Don’t put extensions on impact guns they twist and deflect making you lose a ton of power.
Twisted it counter clockwise right before
One battery just has a higher discharge rate allowing more power to the drill
Plot twist they're both different voltage which effects power and strength.
He broke it loose when he rotated the drill.
You should try corded tools! Talk about power!!!
My m12 stubby with a 2amp HO battery took all the lugs on my trucks like nothing. Is this a brushed motor?
I'll use my air impact. It doesn't die or lose power as i use it.
Look at the way that gun kicks to the left on the first battery that means he is tighten it. When he put the second battery in, he must switch directions.