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Why The Electric Porsche Taycan Is CHEAPER Than The Panamera
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2020
- Rory looks at whether electric cars are cheaper than petrol by comparing the Taycan to the Panamera.
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Taycan or Panamera. Which would you pick? ⬇️
Tayacan
Panamera
Taycan ❤️
Panamera
Panamera, becouse i don't want to wait every time for charging ending. If they ever produce car with replaceable battery i will buy it car in pre-order phase.
After seeing the Taycan in person I really like it. Futuristic design with clear Porsche DNA. Taycan also wins on performance front for me
@2good2be4gotten 0-80% in 15 minutes. Pretty good.
@2good2be4gotten Yep, but if you’re slow charging, you’re probably at home for the night. It’s not a big deal at all.
Damn Bruno got good taste in cars
1. VED is free for year two onwards. The government scrapped the luxury car surcharge for electric cars.
2. Don't know where the Taycan Turbo Insurance quote is from. Myself and must people on the Taycan forums are paying sub £1000 pa
3. Taycan range in real life is more like 250miles+.
4. The Taycan is a no brainer choice. 😁👍
i really want a taycan turbo s, but decided to get an e-tron and kept my panamera turbo s e-hybrid
Insurance premium are charged according to where you live and risk associated. I've changed my car to a different address and my price went down 3/4 of original price.
@ True but that dosen't explain the quoted huge difference between the Taycan & Panamera assuming the quotes were for the same postcode.
Yea but in his scenario, you have 3 points on ur license.
Love the concept of this video. Great work as always!
Drove a Taycan Turbo ! Amazing car, stupidly fast and gorgeous
Once again, great video Rory!
Yep. Just bought the Taycan Turbo. Looks also came into the equation.
Interesting. Thank you for sharing your research. How about a comparison of plug-in hybrids to electric cars? I think that would be interesting.
Rory generally you nailed it so nithing to add. Ev is cheaper plus... Taycan is simply great car.
Don’t agree with the insurance point I’m paying less than the panamera for my Taycan Turbo with 6 years no claims.
Great video Rory - so now you have a permanent job comparing like for like across the whole of the EV vs dinosaur juice range! Best roll up your sleeves and crack on.....
Great video. Clear, comprehensive, ... dry subject made watchable. 👍👏🏼
The taycan is one EV I like
They r also selling very well, as Porsche has hired more workers to meet up with demand.
You won't pay any VED in year 2 onwards for the Taycan. The Government made fully electric vehicles exempt from the £325 '£40k luxury charge' at the last budget.
Once you go EV, you never go back. 1 word, Torque .
But in the Indian car market, things are different.
The fuel us so expensive and electric charging stations are non existent.
Atleast you have nice weather
@@SM-ft2jv 😂
You can always charge from home I guess
We live in Alberta Canada and ended up picking up Taycan Turbo instead of Panamera Turbo. The Taycan cost of insurance in AB Canada is ~ 1700 CAD/year. I was surprised of the insurance cost in the UK
The taycan lit tho
Great video. And thanks for the candid opening piece too 👍
I'm an ev guy and I'd argue that insurance is 2 pts clawed back. Damn man.
Range, "refuelling" convenience and finances is why the vast majority will stick with ICE for as long as possible. That's all that matters to many people. My diesel can be refuelled in under 5 minutes giving me up to 800 miles of range. My car is paid for, I owe nothing because I paid cash. Why would I get myself into debt to buy a car that I can't charge at home (I live in a flat) and would give me a fraction of the range? I WOULDN'T, is the short answer. The only car that gives borderline acceptable range (to me) is the new Model S Long Range with it's claimed 379 miles.
And wait till lucid motors come out with 517 miles in a single charge
ev is for people that have multiple cars. i wouldn't own pure electric as my only mode of transportation
@@hby7768 I only have one car and its 100% electric,I have no need for a gasoline car at all,it cover 280 miles in a single charge,most people when they travel far they buy an airplane ticket,nobody drives 3000 miles,thats why electric works for me it covers all my needs when im in town,work,school,market Etc..
And most people's EVs are refuelled in less than 30 seconds (to plug it in and unplug it the next day).
Yes, if Bruno doesn't have a driveway then your point is valid. But: this is a 150k car... Bruno is going to have a driveway (the overwhelming majority of Brunos will). More seriously tho: 60% of British households have driveways. Many of us live in flats (for lots of reasons) but not everyone.
I had a 2016 Tesla and that thing was barely able to do a full day trip , you know the ones you cant buy a plane ticket for - didn’t even have enough range to make multiple pit stops to do some errands on my way home from a 160mile round trip. I now only use my etron as a daily driver. For camping, day trips, and multiple runs to meet clients i have a hybrid or my other non electric cars. The point is pure electric is not for everyone. Your analogy of buying a plane ticket is for substantial distances, not for practical half day long range destinations.
Rory great vid I think I would go for the hybrid Panamera turbo as no range anxiety for 350 mile plus journey brilliant vids thanks 🙏
I will pick Taycan over Panamera
5:10 BIG SHAQQ Quick maffs 🤣👍🏼
Regardless, I’d buy a Taycan over pretty much ANYTHING at the moment anyway. Interesting vid though...
Can you do the same video with an ID 3 vs the Golf 8?
Panamera 4S E-Hybrid:
- 560 CV
- 750 Nm
- 3,7 s 0 to 100km/h
- 298 km/h top speed
- 800 km RANGE
on the Autobahn at 180km/h
- 130.000€
Taycan Turbo:
- 625 CV
- 550 Nm
- 3,2 s 0 to 100km/h
- 260 km/h top speed
- 150km RANGE on the Autobahn at 180km/h
- 159.000€
And the Panamera is much more comfortable and with a much nicer interior ... and I can drive all day without ever having to worry about range and spend hours charging, and it's € 30,000 cheaper.
So why can’t Sally also drive a high end Porsche ?
Because she doesn’t exist.
In Norway the Taycan turbo costs the same, however due to the panamera being petrol, it gets a lot of extra taxes and an additonal horsepower tax(which isn’t on EV’s in Norway) so the panamera turbo in Norway costs 187.000 pounds. Which means the Taycan is waaaaaay cheaper
we all know that Scandinavia is a fing communist
I have been invited by Porsche to drive the Taycan 4S Plus at the Salzburgring. They called it a Testival, but that is beside the point. Anyways, I was able to drive it through some of the most beautiful austrian countryroads and can thus confidently say: It is extremely competent, relaxing, fun and perfect as a daily. Due to the immens tax increas for ICE cars here in Austria the Taycan has immediately become a the number one go to for my next daily. I do love my current Macan and I am not going to switch cars right now, but in a few years, once the infrastructure has become more reliable, I want to try owning one, because I really loved it!
Thanks a lot for the numbers. Turns out I'm more of a Citroen Ami man myself.
@Rory
In regards to the insurance I concur. I ran some VINs to my Allstate agent and with the other vehicles me and the wife own with full coverage and $500 deductible a Taycan would make our insurance cost $450/mo from our current $160/mo. In comparison a 992 Turbo S would be $300/mo to insure, a Panamera would be $230/mo, and for comparison of another brand we buy from a new Lexus Lc500 would make our insurance cost $200/mo ($40 more) and a LS500 would cost us $308/mo.
Pretty interesting figures. This is $500k coverage per collision coverage, $35k PiP, free towing/accident forgiveness.
I'm conflicted. If I had the money, I just want the car I like the most, the one that's more enjoyable to drive I don't EV or not, or money, that doesn't matter so much to me.
I'm not so rich that I can operate on a "money no object" basis so I'll just buy what's more affordable and factor in the enjoyability factor second, some what. Either way, the balancing act won't be the same.
Think we as humans are quite self centred we find it hard to put ourselves in others shoes. Just as an example a doctor or lawyer could be the ones to purchase this car. They will have the same thought processes about juggling price vs enjoyment everyone else has. It's just with a lot more money on the line.
What you're thinking is of ultra millionaire business owners for who money is no object. Then you gotta ask yourself why are they buying a Porsche. Those people would be buying rolls's, Bentley's etc
I’m looking forward to an all electric transit
Taycan all day, easy choice
...and all the calculations and savings are suddenly blown away at that time, you when the battery dies and have to replace it - priceless :D
OK so hands up who else went to a price comparison site to check how much a Taycan would cost to insure immediately after this video had finished?
Great point. I bought a different EV and I was shocked at the range of prices for insurance. That said: in the end the 330bhp EV I drive cost 40 GBP less per year to insure than the 170bhp ICE car I was driving (despite the ICE car having a much lower price).
The Taycan may yet still be too new for the British underwriters/actuaries so many companies will price their quotes in order to avoid the business.
Brilliant presenter and very informative.
Paulo G
The Panamera is designed to carry adults in the back. The Taycan isn't.
the Taycan can seat 2 * 6ft adults but then again, how many times do you have adults in the back seat?
Rtfa Zeberdee Matt Watson is only 5’10” and he’s struggling for headroom in the Taycan. The Panamera is primarily an “exec” car, competing against an S class. So yes it was designed to have adults in the back. The Taycan was primarily designed for people who sit in the front, but because it was electric needed the car to be bigger for the batteries, hence a sedan instead of a 2+2 like a 911. They are different markets.
@@DonLee1980 taycan is a 4 door so not a 2+2.
@@rtfazeberdee3519 "hence it's a sedan instead of a 2+2 like a 911". can you read? It's got 4 doors, but it's more in the shape of a CLS, with the practicality than a C class, as oppose to an S class.
@@rtfazeberdee3519 😏😏😏
Going to be picking up my long awaited Taycan today, US Bank holiday of Labor Day!
Much better fella. Some personality, some facts, some consumer advice and some entertainment all wrapped in 7 minutes that we WANNA watch. STICK.TO.THE.FORUMLA. No need to go maverick with it.
Ok..but how much does it cost to replace the battery and when?
My wife and really want to go down the EV route, but the upfront costs and lack of choice (particularly from brands we prefer) means we can’t make the switch yet. But once things are more favourable to us, it’s a no-brainer. Love the Taycan btw 👌🏾
I think you’ve made a mistake here. Bruno is paying for the car but it’s also his company car. He’d offset the cost of the car against his profits so the payment would be reduced probably to zero. If it’s a company car the company buys it for you. You’ve set him up to fail having to pay for the car and also the benefit in kind payment.
So the Taycan isn't just an electric version of the Panamera. It is a bit shorter and has less space in the back. It is not as luxurious in the back row, as you can get the Panamera with a large central console between the two seats, whereas you can't with the Taycan. I would say a fair analogy can be made with the BMW i4 M and the 8 series grand coupe - with the two representing the electric and the petrol powered Porsche respectively. Admitedly the i4 is not at all as luxurious or as fast as the Taycan, but the comparison still stands in terms of size.
EVs are just better. Most are cheaper, too. ICE is dying.
Yes, they are the future but EV's are like playing a video game. They're not *driving*.
I'm going to enjoy the last hurrah of the ICE while I can.
Love them both
Taycan all the way. i mean even without these numbers and figures, and I appreciate your going through them, but Taycan is just a beautiful beast. I can likely only afford the 4S though
The Taycan is more to insure because in the event of an accident, it takes a hell of a lot more to dismantle ? Take the Electric Golf , its write off level is much sooner, for that reason.
Taycan is a lovely EV ❤️
As for Dinosaur juice!!! Lol
Good informative vid. How about a mid range one now? It’s important to weigh up the options for people. 😊
Electric for me, when I get to change my car...and win the lotto. Taycan it is then
The Taycan may have an interesting whine sound from its motors, but i'd rather listen to the V8, 'dinosaur' tech no matter what. Sound is an important thing to add to a car's personality for me - I just find that electric cars are like a household appliance in that regard, fight me. But i'd rather get the GTS varient of the Panamera, not the Turbo because you can use more of the 480hp in the real world public roads of UK than the 542hp offered from the Turbo. I'd imagine that the GTS would have a crisper throttle response (closer to the feeling of a naturally aspirated engine) because it is a detuned V8 off the Turbo.
Sound is more important than much lower emissions?
And I expect your neighbours feel the same way. Ah no. Wait. Maybe not.
@@Simon-dm8zv Yes because I'm not a bore like you. Did you know that cars aren't the ONLY problem to global warming? When the majority of people own a vehicle with a smaller displacement engine or are electric cars, why would a small percentage of people of actual car enthusiasts with V8s V10s, V12s have a 'huge' impact on emissions? You do realise that the products that you consume are produced from factories making far more harmful emissions than what a minority of car enthusiasts produce out of their vehicles?
@@smilepermile888 Of course I know, but it is not relevant. All sources of fossil CO2 need to be minimised as much as possible and as fast as possible. Buying a NEW car with a combustion engine in 2020 is plain stupid, no matter the engine size.
@@Simon-dm8zv Good, I thought I had to remind you the obvious things first because when you first mentioned "Sound is more important than much lower emissions?" - it comes across as if you're implying that everyone should suddenly get rid of their internal-combustion-engined sportscars for electric cars/eco-focused soulless cars. To add to your question, yes sound is important for pedestrian safety as well - not every pedestrian will be familiar with the unconventional noise of non-combustion cars. I'm guessing you own an EV? My original comment was based on the scenario to chose between a car with personality (sound) and a car with much better acceleration, and I chose the former because I don't want to compromise my hobby (of driving) by getting a silent car - I don't work for Greenpeace. You have a right to have an opinion and I'm not trying to silence you, but you clearly want to silence mine by patronising.
If you intend keeping the car a few years the Taycan is not a good idea. Battery technology is improving year on year, the Taycan will depreciate much more than the ICE car.
Great video very informative. I'm presently doing a halfway switch to a merc across a250e saloon hybrid which I never thought I'd do but it makes sense! Bik 6% mpg tax etc etc
It was a hard(but fun) decision but I finally purchased the Panamera hybrid 4S 2021 over the Taycan 4s. Mostly due to it being a first generation vehicle. One thing that most people do not mention is the size difference, the Taycan is much smaller and I much prefer the Panamera interior. I hate the fact to Porsche under rates their performances(speed and range). At first I thought the Taycan 4s had +or- 400km of range as advertised but real life testing is showing near 500km in best conditions, which made it even harder to decide !
Same hard decision. Love my Panamera 4 hybrid. Test drove Taycan and blown away by performance but no where near the same quality interior or feel. I can drive 300 miles in my Panamera and get out feeling relaxed. 90 miles in the Taycan was enough. So another Panamera or move with the times and latest tech. Still leaning towards Panamera.
If the batteries can not retain the charge, what are the cost to replace them on the Taycan?
No information about that. If they made them well they should last longer than the car itself.
i personally don't like the design of the Taycan, i'd take the Panamera over it any day
My Corsa with a blackbox and clean license for 3 years is just over £1700😭
BIK and tax savings : there is a special tax range in the UK between 100K and 125K where the effective tax rate is 60% so the saving is even better - and Bruno might be that sort of person; if you need to ask, then you don't earn near this amount, and yes, I am saving 60% on my T3.
Tycan is a monster!!!!!!
I'll probably fall into the late majority or laggard category with EVs. I tend to buy and keep vehicles for at least 10 years, so I'll hold out and see how these EVs perform in the long run 👴🙂
I would buy an electric car, BUT, I don't buy cars on lease, I like to use bank loans as the APR is usually a lot less and there are no balloon payments or mileage penalties. And until I can buy a decent second hand EV (with some actual life left in the battery) for around 15K, I will have to choose ICE cars.
A used Hyundai Ioniq is almost in that price range. Batteries are holding up well. Very efficient car.
The design of taycan is way better than panamera looks more futuristic and these costs you mentioned really stunned so its more informed decision to pick electric car as compared to panamera while you are getting the same realibilty from same company
The screen doesn’t do justice to the Taycan, in real life it is splendid. In Germany, where I live, the charging infrastructure is well developed and EVs have had TCO lower than fossils since 3-4 years. I replaced my old Zoe with the new ZE50, better car, better range and even cheaper to run; will not go back to ICE, for economic reasons. Charging infrastructure is key, not vehicle range. Taycan’s 200 miles range is enough, provided you have enough Ionity charging units around.
Every year I do a couple of trips from England to Italy, Austria or Spain. We worked out one journey (using Tesla's route planning app) that doing the journey in a Tesla would add 6 hours onto the journey (not cool). And, you wouldn't easily be able to change routes to avoid traffic, due to range anxiety.
Tony B Did you include break time with the journey in case of the ICE? Range anxiety is pretty much non existent if you own a Tesla by the way.
Must be talking about Bruno Fernandez
Rory plz make an autotrader podcast
I would totally go for an EV. I’m a company car driver and I drive a BMW 530e. The tax saving over a 520d is £100s. And even on long journeys I can get mid 40s mpg. Short journeys I use zero fuel. If my budget stretched to £116k a Taycan would be top of the list..
Graham, King of the Britons! I test drove a model 3 performance. Whilst Tesla lead the world in battery production and infotainment, they’ve not been building cars long enough yet. I found the quality lacking in the interior. Model 3 or BMW i4? I’d go for the i4. Model S or Porsche Taycan. I’d go for the Taycan..
Why the Panamera Turbo and not the E-Hybrid 4 or Turbo S? They're cheaper (much lower taxes) and more "eco friendly". Also, the Taycan Turbo doesn't seem to be the best option for most people. Those who can will go for the Turbo S, but if you want to save some money, just get the 4S.
Other than the Turbo, they are completely different cars.
LOVE THIS CHANNEL
Nice.ordering mine right away😭
Can I blast my car audio, drive at 80-90mph, heated seats & or aircon from Birmingham to London non stop in an EV without sweating abt range? If i can then will consider EV.
sure
That's 129 mi, so yes, no problem. Lot's of cars can. Certainly a Taycan. Hell, even a Fiat 500e can do that.
Seybertooth good to hear. I was actually genuine, the idea of waiting to charge is what has been putting me off...getting to bhm then waiting a day for it to charge up again?
I see most EVs driving at 60-65mph on the roads and i just cant do that.
Interesting comparison. Nice to have the maths slog done & presented on a plate.
Excellent comparison! Many thanks!
EVs do seem to be expensive to insure. I have just swapped a 3 year old Renault Zoe ZE40 for an 7 1/2 year old Mercedes SLK 200. The Mercedes is only £50 per year extra to insure. Everything else with the Zoe a quarter of the price (quarter of the fun though).
Yeah but the problem with PCP as the whole foundation for this.. is that it's only over so many years, then you walk away or pay a final payment. Almost never does a customer pay the final payment.. so it's effectively been a rental for 5 years. Considering it like that, it's not much of an investment at all. Add in the final payment figures. Or HP figures
@@Jedimack7 I don't agree with you but I do understand where you're coming from.
Still sort of missed my point too tho.
The problem is this only applied probably in europe not in Asia.
Yes I would buy a Electric Car
Of course a performance gas car is more expensive to buy/own than a performance electric car if the performance gas cars is already more expensive to buy/own than a base model car..
For an everyday car definitely an EV would be more logical but I would need a screaming engine for the weekends and for long trips
Wow another fantastic vlog Rory superb content but it’s petroleum every time for me keep up the good work
Electric!
Seen Rory in Bedford today 👍
I Like the Taycan but still would take the Panamera.
Nice Marvel picture in the background
Of course Taycan. What a question. Driving a combustion machine is the new riding a horse. The only and biggest mistake is the 2nd name Tycan > TURBO, -Man! Why this Old-School name???
Don't forget you can lease an EV via the salary sacrifice scheme (UK). This means lease payments are taken pre-tax so higher rate payers save 40%. Talk to your employer www.parkers.co.uk/car-tax/advice/guide-to-salary-sacrifice/
Great video by Rory 👏👏
Why you don't choose a normal picture for bruno ????
Taycan or Panamera?... Cayman, and a second hand box for when you need another two seats? We have a new Boxster GTS and a VW California...:) and its still cheaper than one of those flashy hatchbacks... ;)
Very interesting!!
Dyno juice isn't going anytime some but the advances in electric, particularly cell-phone integration, currently make it as viable and fun as it is inevitable...
For passenger cars it really is going sooner rather than later. This next decade will be huge for electric cars. By 2030 most sold will be EV's. The only cars that will probably still be ICE will be the sports cars and the track focused cars
Great vid 10/10!
Rory my man, first of all thanks indeed for this kind of video... we need to put in mind of everyone we have to save the planet... after this I have to tell you the range of taycan is not enough yet, and the problem to travel in the coolest car out there is that for example... if I want to go to South of Spain, how many days, yes days I said, I have to spend to reach my place?? I know this cause I'm Spanish and I know there's not enough infrastructure for electric cars on the go... we need to change that first or will only be nice to have one of those living in England, I do by the moment hehe but I'd like to go back home and enjoy those roads in Spain... if you haven't being in Andalucía you should go my man... you'll enjoy that a lot. Peace
I know what you mean. Those roads are heaven. Drove once Murcia to Granada.. wow! Same reason I'm getting the Turbo S and not the Taycan just yet. Will be going across Europe and, ICE car is better for that at the moment.
Facelifted Panamera Turbo S
How can insurance cost that much for this car. Obviously this is an old pre recorded video, but where was it at that wild amount 😳
hi!
I’m trading in my 2018 Porsche Panamera for a 2021 taycan.