12 Reasons Disney Will Have to Retcon the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- The Star Wars sequel movies must be destroyed. It is unavoidable, it is their destiny.
Time stamps:
0:44 - Quality
2:45 - Cultural impact and legacy
4:26 - IP Value
5:48 - Character popularity
7:07 - DST Fanbase
8:36 - Opposition to retcon
12:31 - Canon
14:01 - Tropes and politics
17:47 - OT characters
19:57 - Plotholes and inconsistencies
24:09 - Fandom and brand image
25:36 - Financial motivation 
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Time stamps:
0:44 - Quality
2:45 - Cultural impact and legacy
4:26 - IP Value
5:48 - Character popularity
7:07 - DST Fanbase
8:36 - Opposition to retcon
12:31 - Canon
14:01 - Tropes and politics
17:47 - OT characters
19:57 - Plotholes and inconsistencies
24:09 - Fandom and brand image
25:36 - Financial motivation
Nice!
Btw, I dont know if you'd be open for this but a video on both at the Bad Guys and Everything Everywhere All At Once could be nice as those two 2022 films show a good change in cinema
Facts behind all your words. I have high respects for you.
You should also add the fact that they are stuck making only content around the OT & PT eras, while anything to do with the DST era has been either cancelled or brought as an excuse to defend it. Plus, if they don't retcon the DST, then anything content surrounding the OT & PT such as Clone Wars, Rogue One, Andor, Rebels, Jedi Fallen Order, Bad Batch, etc, would feel like a waste of time since they lead up or extend from the climax of the OT which the DST render pointless.
Also, even if Carrie Fisher isn't around, and Harrison Ford doesn't want to play Han Solo anymore, they can still bring back the characters on screen anyway like they did with Leia in Rogue One and Luke in Book of Boba Fett.
Pawa.
😂
No cultural impact… how can you say that when “somehow Palpatine returned” is such an epic line?
I would have preferred the original “Somehow The Son returned”
@@Case2_0truly
Yes definitely the most amazing plot and creativity in a film
Ha
In spite of the fact it was handled with the subtlety of a hammer to the face
Luke wakes up in bed" "That was a horrible dream" Has morning blue milk with Jaina and Jacen...
A good start...
Until Jacen becomes his own nightmare.....
I thought the movies were going to be:
The Force Awakens
The Last Jedi
From His Sleep
😅
Have said this should happen since their release. Fever force dream. Use the best parts of the legacy content and move forward.
Luke steps out of the shower.
I’ve said it a thousand times.
Luke in OT risked his life to save an old man who had killed billions.
Luke in DST was going to kill his student and the son of his best friend and sister because of what might happen if his dream was real.
It was the whole 'if you could kill hitler when he was a kid, would you' thing
@@stephen6279It’s dumb af, because even that paradox is just a thought paradigm to show changing the future carries worse consequences than the one you know.
To be fair to Anakin blowing up Alderaan was Tarkin's order. He was more of a bystander in that specific war crime. Your point still stands, though
@@redjirachi1 Yeah, that excuse always stands up in courts of law...lol. "To be fair...Eichmann was more of a "bystander" in the Holocaust, since they were really Adolf's orders, so..." LOL.
And in the end killed himself..... I can't stand KK.....
As Kylo Ren once said, “let the past die … Kill it, if you have to.” I really think that is the synthesis to the entire sequel trilogy.
Kylo who?
@@mrvalveras Exactly
It's the synthesis of the entire progressive Democrat agenda. Variations on this line are routine in Hollywood productions. This is all part of the attempt to alter culture toward an insane ideology...
Yeah it's so blatant that they literally tell us they hate SW in a pseudo-SW movie
One day Disney aint able to milk any money out of Star Wars and so will propably sell it to help themselves fight against their own bankrupcy and so new passionate company who is passionate about Star Wars story will remake the sequal triology a lot better to show that Disney sequals never existed, when everybody knows how big of laughing stock movies they are being so bad.
What continuously baffles me is this:
Studios basically only make movies and TV based on existing properties now-a-days precisely because those properties already have an existing fan base and thus are guaranteed a certain a level of success but then they turn around and openly insult those existing fans which completely defeats the purpose. It's so bizarre to see.
Corporations buy these IPs to boost their stock and secure long term revenue streams, they have no long term plan or strategy, and the IP ends up in the hands of activists that infest the company.
@Despot of Antrim It's idiotic at best, and criminal at worst. They are completely killing their credibility, the images of the brands that they mismanage and are catering to the wrong audience. It's idiotic, hypocritical AND evil - the three things I hate the most, in order.
You forgot the arrogance factor. These people actually think they are better than the original creators. Disney threw away George's treaties for 7,8,9 that came with the purchase. The showrunners of Rings of Power think they are better writers than Tolkien. The Witcher's writers room routinely mocked and laughed at Sapkowski's books etc. They are so delusional that they don't even look in the mirror once and reflect that if they were indeed "great' writers, they'd have created their own IPs instead of having to leech of what others have built.
It's not really that they think that they are better writers. It's that they want to destroy existing cultural norms and replace them with their garbage idealogy.
They are following the Chinese Marxist idealogy of the getting rid of the four olds.Old Ideas, Old Culture, Old Customs, and Old Habits. We have universities to blame for producing these people who hate western values.
They don't see the forest behind trees. They geniunly believe that fandom was formed around IP because of the visuals and style of it, not because of characters whose stories immersed fans into it. So they create new "improved" characters to replace old "irrelevant" ones, copying the style but providing no substance and self-destroying establishing franchises. Well, at least movies have it better than games where IPs are cannibilised by bif corporations into a source of microtransactions where player spends real life money to not play.
Luke: I had to walk the same path as my father, face the same moral dilemma, make the opposite decision, show mercy to a mass murderer, and prove the folly of the Sith in order to save the galaxy.
Rey: I just hit Palpatine really, really hard.
Really, really, REALLY hard!
That's some goku level of reasoning to beating the big bad guy
"That sounds like something Goku would say."
...but then he said.........harder
@@brianbabin6333I think they should sell it. They’ve made profit from their investment but I think giving it to a studio that can handle it better would be awesome. Of course that will never happen
Came back to this after a Rey movie was announced. They don't learn from their mistakes.
I hope the Rey movie gets made, it will bomb.
@@DespotofAntrim I'm pretty sure it will. I have no idea what they're thinking.
@@DespotofAntrim I don't. Just put SW out its misery, or put it in a vault until Lucasfilm is sold off to someone who actually cares.
Kathleen Kennedy is still in charge. Remember she's going to want a milk Rey for as much as she can. Disney is in a tailspin of failure and bad decision making. That's why they're stock price is the lowest it's been in the longest time. I love Disney. I'm a big fan but I'm a frequent visitor of their parks. But they're management is like an alcoholic uncle on a bender. I'm just waiting for the crash before they realize they've got a problem and need to change
It really boggles the mind that was okayed. I would say someone at Disney has half a brain cell since a Mandolorian movie was announced and pushed ahead of the Rey movie. However given apparently season three ruined that for most people it doesn't seem like a much better idea.
The REAL irony that makes Starkiller Base EXTRA stupid is that it only had to destroy the local star and everyone on the planets would dead in a short time. No need to even waste the energy to blow them up. Great job Jar Jar!
The main stupidity of the Starkiller base is quite different. A planet simply cannot absorb a whole star and hold its mass and volumes of plasma in its interior. Such a large compression of matter will lead to either a supernova-like explosion or the formation of a black hole. Especially if we take into account that absorption most likely goes to some separate part of the planet, a kind of energy chamber. Besides, when such a cannon is fired, no one will be able to be on the surface: the shot will destroy the atmosphere, the light radiation will fry everyone nearby, and the planet's crust will most likely disintegrate.
@humanist3511 I think we can agree that the base, like the writers, is fractally wrong.
I feel so bad for John boyega. His character had so much potential but they only used him as a token. It hurts even more knowing he’s a big fan of Star Wars too
I don't feel sorry for him at all. He's a full-blown SJW, he knew his only selling point was his skin colour, so screw him and his hurt feelings over Disney fucking him over to appeal to the Chinese market. He played the game and lost.
@@TheAmateurEditor he signed on to be in a Star Wars movie. He was also disappointed with the movies not just his character. I couldn’t give a shit about their political beliefs as long as it doesn’t affect the final product. How could it be his fault for such shitty writing? It seems like you’re projecting your hatred for Disney, lucasfilm and the executives in control. Sure they’re hiring people for diversity points but how could that possibly be on the actor. I was just excited to see a stormtrooper change sides there’s no reason to be an arrogant douche.
Fuck china
He doesn't even play with his own character on Battlefront 2
He's a douche bag don't feel bad for him
He's a douche bag don't feel bad for him
Poe says the Holdo maneuver was a "one in a million" fluke so it couldn't have been a plan. The truth was that Holdo dropped off the shuttles and tried to get the hell out of there while the First Order was distracted, but ended up crashing her ship in a fit of bad driving.
Lmao
Women driving, amirite?
Like she was literally just trying to save herself?
@@jamesthomas9619 strong and independent! ha
And then they called the thing "Holdo Maneuver". Like naming a maneuver after a warhero or something like that. It just doesn't add up.
Even if the Holdo Manoeuvre was a thing, why would Holdo (or anybody else) have to sacrifice themselves for it, in a world where Droids exist? Just place Droids in command of the ship with instructions to perform the manoeuvre, and then get the living beings in escape pods and get out of there.
Because L3 Waller-Bridge would have come for them.
My favorite part about them saying the Holdo maneuver was 1 in a million means that she was actually trying to run away and just got super unlucky
It was so easy, too. The sequel trilogy: Thrawn. Instant success.
They could have had Timothy Zahn come in and do screenplay versions of his books. It could have been so perfect... So perfect.
on other hand, good thing they came up with new characters
@@AxenfonKlatismrek Characters that were despised by everyone.
@@AxenfonKlatismrek I'll give them credit: Fin could've been intriguing. They completely mismanaged him, though. And the other two are basically retreads.
@@01What10 At least few characters have been bastardized, and those few were major ones so its still fock up
The Disney trilogy brought the term 'Mary Sue' to broad public and created the synonym 'Rian'd' for 'ruined'. So there is *some* cultural impact. :)
Those movies really helped to push post normie film criticism to the fore.
Not to mention launched the RUclips careers of dozens of RUclips hosts allowing them to quit their normal job. Thanks Rian Johnson you're the best.
@@Masteroogway40 No. Ruin Johnson is a filthy communist and a traitor to the nation
MarySue? you mean ReySue? also you forget JarJar Abrams
Pretty sure that Hunger Games did that long before that.
It's the same thing with The Wheel of Time. The studio reconned the series, because of all the inconsistencies, by saying, "It's another turning of the Wheel of Time," to which the fans of the books said, "One in which the Dark One won, because that's not the way the One Power works!"
You can't convince me that Rian Johnson and KK actually thought ruining Luke Skywalker was a good idea. They did it cackling away to themselves.
Disney has made it very clear that they'd rather put out a bunch of half-assed products and rake in the money rather than retain the loyalty of a fanbase.
At this stage Disney is just a bank running risk assessment. Every product they put out is carefully screened for IP success and box office potential. They are investors now, not visionary artists.
But they could make more money in the long run if they made good movies though. They overdosed on evil
Its possible to make money on a good product. I dont understand all this money being thrown at burning diaherra that will certainly shut down any further interest in any future products. So, star wars, star trek, marvel, DC.. I dont care. Wakanda forever was garbage, yet with a bit of thought, it could have been well done.
It’s made them money in the short term but when the money drys up it’s going to take decades for them to bounce back. If they ever do.
@@DespotofAntrim Dav Filoni has become the new scapegoat for Star Wars criticism these days and it is a shame. He and his animated projects are the best things to come out of Disney Star Wars
How dare you compare the sequels to The Holiday Special, the sequels will never be as good as The Holiday Special
To be fair, the Holiday Special does show us interstellar TV shows, what the Average Joes of the galaxy watch on their telly to relax in their downtime. That tells us a bit about the interests and past times of the common man, expanding the lore of the universe.
So it does have value, a lot more than Disney Wars.
@Mircea Zaharia I watch The Holiday Special every Christmas, it's definitely more fun to watch if you're drunk or high, I haven't watched the sequels since when they came out
@@mirceazaharia2094 The animated bit with Boba Fett was actually pretty good, I would have loved it if the Special was all that. Or if it was turned into a regular animated series, but at that time Saturday morning kids shows were still the only place for animation.
@@zippymufo9765 your right the animated part is better than the entire sequel trilogy
Dude just because the sequals were bad doesnt make the holiday special good
With point 7, people are quick to point out how TDS ruins Luke and Han's characters from the original trilogy, but it also presents Leia as an incompetent leader. If in the space of around 30 years or so, a small remnant of the former Empire gets strong enough to not only pose a viable threat but build a Death Star that can now take out solar systems. So Kathleen "The Force Is Female" Kennedy's subpar direction manages to ruin the one legitimate OT female force user.
Kathleen Kennedy will go down in history as the worst owner of movie franchais. She dosent respect the other Star Wars triologies, so why should we then respect Star Wars Sequal triology by not remaking it.
That’s part of Disney’s delusion though. Strong female characters don’t exist unless they created them
I remember watching "Last Jedi" in IMAX with my girlfriend-at-the-time and her teen brother. I thought it LOOKED good but I was really upset with the writing and plot, and said so to them after the movie. My gal had a weird look like she didn't want to say anything, and just said "it was... good". She would tell me later that she agreed but didn't want to say anything bad about it, that might upset her brother. He would tell me later that he thought it was weird she liked it and not have any reasons.
Lying about objectively bad material being "...good" is just as destructive as the work of the writers who devise this stuff.
I watched the Han Soylo movie with my dad. The first sentence we had coming out of the Theater was ‘That was bad was it’ and laughs all the way home.
Note that we are from South East Asia. The sequels are dog water and the whole world knows it.
Probably the thing that bothers me the most about all of this is just how bitter everything has become. Go back 10 or 15 years and Disney didn't seem like they couldn't fail. The movies they produced were the stuff of children's dreams. They gave us heroes we wished we could be like, villains were could either relate to or despise, music we still sing or hum to this day and breathtaking animation that holds up even after all this time. Yeah they did it for money but you got the sense there was a legit passion and love for filmmaking and art behind each movie, where you felt like people were proud to be a part of each movie.
Now Disney basically makes almost nothing but crap, more content to buy up licenses and franchises, gut all but the barebones of said media and then create their own crap that acts like a snobby brat basically trying to argue why their version of something is way better when it's actually so much worse. What's more there's no passion behind it, no love, no respect, no dedication, just spite, bitterness and entitlement. They don't care if what they make is good, entertaining or even for the fans, now it's all about stroking egos and uping someone's social credit score. So many people involved with Disney these days seem to actively hate their fans, decrying legit criticism as mere hateful rhetoric and refusing to accept any suggestions for improvement or change.
It's sad, and I hate the fact that Star Wars was just another victim of this hideious practice.
Disney content this year has been astonishingly bad. It's just been one long stream of God awful shit. She Hulk / Multiverse of Madness / Thor Love and Thunder / Lightyear / Bobba Fett / Fucking Obi Wan / Pinnochio! Andor is the best thing they've done and it's mediocre. And they're not getting away with it, their Disney+ numbers are shit according to Doomcock (don't know if you follow him, he posts leaks from inside Hollywood). Lucasfilm would need to be brutally restructured and dewokified for any movie there to stand a chance of being half decent.
You’re being a bit harsh on the company considering it’s a corrupt few that I’ve turned the company into this
Disney makes the material they envision in their future! A future they don't see you existing in. They will take the losses of today and recoup their losses when they own your land. The global elites don't see you in their future and they have the plan to rid you of them.
@@DespotofAntrim
Even their original content like Strange World.
Back in the day hundreds of filmmakers and artists made the movies we love. The crap made today is made by these people’s children and grandchildren.
Another thing I hate about the execrable sequel trilogy: the revised depiction of hyperspace. Remember Han Solo telling Luke that traveling through hyperspace “ain’t like dusting crops” and getting too close to a star or supernova would end your trip real quick? Well apparently our new third rate heroes aren’t constrained by such things! In Rise of Skywalker we see discount store Han rapidly doing one jump after another, directly into atmospheres and caverns of some sort.
God, I hate what they did to Star Wars.
Don't forget the space chase sequence of the last jedi, where their smaller ships are faster than our bigger ships. A New Hope opens with a bigger ship pursuing a smaller ship with the bigger ship going faster then the smaller ship. It even kills the space chase in Empire. It was probably done to add eye candy and so they would have a new flying sequence for the Falcon. The one in last jedi was the same as in Awakens just a different back round.
@@maulressurected4405 Yes indeed. And then the whole plot element “they can’t track us through hyperspace, that’s impossible isn’t it?!” Well in literally the very first Star Wars movie Leia tells Han they escaped the Death Star too easily and that obviously meant the Empire had planted a tracker on the Millennium Falcon. So it would seem tracking through hyperspace was not only possible, but understood as such for Leia to have immediately come to that conclusion.
@@squarewave808 The worst and yet most hilarious part is that if the mission were about locating the tracker on the ship, then it wouldn't have broken canon and raised a bunch of awkward questions
It shows they got no respect for the Star Wars triologies and stories, so why cant we then remake the sequal triology, when we got no respect for the sequal triology.
It's like what JJ did with transporter beaming in Star Trek.
Take a technology everyone understands and deliberately break it to make his version "surprising" and new.
I distinctly remember George Lucas saying he regretted selling Star Wars to Disney. In turn Disney has destroyed the Star Wars franchise. Since their releases, I only watched the sequel trilogies one time each and never watched them again. I think they were made just to piss off the hardcore audience...It worked thanks to Ruin Johnson.
The usual Johnson trap, it was all JJ. Evidence points to him being the cause of Disney dropping George's plans, and George was outright rude to JJ (and JJ was uncomfortable) whenever they were seen together after the drop. I'd also like to add that all of the issues with Johnson's film came from JJ's. Why did Luke run and why didn't he come to save Han or defeat star killer base? That was the only big threat presented and anything else would've felt out of place. The Rey Mary Sue stuff was in 7, 7 was a rehash of the OT, none of the characters had any actual interesting things about them, just potentially interesting things that (knowing JJ) were supposed to be saved for episode 9 and another writer so JJ didn't have to answer the dozens of mystery boxes he'd created. JJ caused it, don't forget that
Great video. I will never forgive Disney for what they did to Star Wars. I wish they would retcon these abysmal films but as you say they are afraid of the woke backlash. Pandering to these people and "the message" to them is more important than competent coherent writing. They will continue to push this woke agenda even despite financial losses in order to get the young people/ children on board with this woke thinking and ideology.
I doubt Disney would go back to retcon the sequels, it would be them admitting they failed.
They already admitted they failed.
I really do believe they'll do it one day once Kennedy is gone from Lucasfilm. Although it would take Lindelof's Sequels spin-off to do SOLO levels of box-office numbers lol. that would literally be enough to make Disney execs be like - "My give up, my give up!" And then they would hold their hands up and say okay we done f**ked up, we'll move on now.
there is another way we could get a retcon of the sequels. It would require Jon Favreau & Dave Filloni and about 10 solid years of them splicing in short 2min scenes into multiple episodes/chapters of their Mandoverse spin-offs. Starting from O.G. Luke Skywalker showing up right at the end of Season 2 Mando, and using all of the Luke/Grogu episode in BOBF, right upto the scene where he gives Grogu that stupid choice.
By doing this, sure it would take a heck of alot of time, but if executed carefully, all they would then need to do would be to leave it to the fans, and let Starwars RUclipsrs, just edit together all those clips into one big movie.
@@RaikenXionI think you're onto something there. And I think what we're seeing is Dave Filoni and John favreau have actually been slowly redoing the sequel trilogy setup with their Mandoverse content. After all now we have ahsoka in the world between worlds which opens the door to alternate realities, not to mention with the reintroduction of Thrawn as the Grand Uber villain in another galaxy.
Sadly I don't think we're going to see a new story for our OT heroes. Carrie Fisher is gone. Harrison Ford wants nothing to do with it. At best Mark Hamill could have a second crack at playing an elder Luke Skywalker The Way He wanted to.
The coolest thing I remember from the sequel trilogy was Kylo Ren stopping Poe's blaster bolt in mid-air in the opening minutes of Ep. 7. It was all downhill from there...
His entrance was fantastic. He was ruthless killing that unexplained old guy and the inhabitants, his lightsaber was cool, stopping the blaster bolt was something new, he seemed to sense Finn's refusal to fire. When he had that weird tantrum it just showed he had no control of his emotions and removing his helmet removed any aura of mystery.
Agreed, the opening of episode 7 and even when they introduce Rey, I had hope. Despite her being OP at the end of TFA I still had some hope but once TLJ came out, there was no coming back, and it sealed the sequel trilogy's fate. Rey could have been a great character had she been done right and not made a Mary Sue.
@@Avalon_1991 that was cool, but also a waste of the guy who played the Exorcist..
Figure I follow up on this and give my thoughts/opinion as how the sequel trilogy could have been improved. TFA is the same movie except for the final fight between Rey and Kylo Ren. Kylo is injured and goes easy on her but eventually overpowers her but doesn't kill her since Snoke wants her alive. She does not get the upper hand at all and even an injured Kylo is a challenge. She's still naturally gifted with the force but still needs training. Kylo is distracted from the Starkiller base battle since a crashing tie fighter almost hits them. That's when Rey gets her hit on his face to give him his scar. Then get separated due to Star Killer Base starting to explode and crack. The movie goes and ends how it originally does.
The Last Jedi: Same opening but Luke doesn't throw the lightsaber and decides to train Rey and a time jump of 1-2 years happens. Luke knows who she is but does not tell her. The resistance is losing the war against the first order and Rey wants to leave but Luke tells her she isn't ready. This may be kind of coping The Empire Strikes Back, but I still think this would be a good route. There is mass corruption in the New Republic with First Order supporters in high positions which is why they are winning despite Star Killer being destroyed and they make the obvious choice to not even build a WMD and focus on building their fleet and military. I won't go on for too long but in my version, Rey does fight Kylo again with Snope watching. Kylo does taunt her, but Snope is the one taunting her about Luke how he wasn't honest with her despite all their time together training. In short, Rey is turned to the dark side and is furious at Luke for not lying to her. Kylo and Snoke let her go as they know she will fully turn and return to them. Won't go into details but bear with me lol. Luke even confronts her in her early stages of the dark side and Fynn who hasn't seen Rey since he got injured in TFA meets Rey only for her to be a very different person. We can even add she kills Fynn out of rage while Luke is telling him to get away. Just Throwing stuff in there but I feel this is what competent writers could have worked with. As for who Rey is? That could have been worked out with proper writing and build up. I'm for her being a Palpatine which is why Snoke is so interested in her.
The best part about the Force Awakens was that I saw it in theaters and I finally got it. I understood what the fans loved so much about Star Wars. Gave me much-needed insight
Our glimmering hope is the fact that at least some people are calling for Disney to retcon these terrible movies. That's what made me such a big fan of the theory that the Mandalorian and other TV series do not happen in the same universe and the sequel trilogy. One can hope.
Mandalorian is intrinsic to the sequels, anything post OT is. Andor and rogue one get a pass, not sure about solo
The wisest course of action is simply to boycott anything with both a Disney and star wars logo. maybe even just a Disney logo.
No need, they are failing all by themselves, no one watches their shit movies now so no need to boycott.
Fin looked like such a promising character in the first trailers.
he was in the first entire movie. Then Rian Johnson showed up.
Even as a hater of Disney Wars, yes, he did. He had great potential to be a fantastic supporting character, or even a protagonist.
He was legitimately one of the most disappointing things in the trilogy for exactly that reason. I always thought he was easily the most interesting member of the new cast, and they just went nowhere with it. Then with how he was handled in the third one, I really wish they'd just let him have his moment of noble sacrifice in Last Jedi and allowed his character to die with some dignity.
@@VenathTehN3RD Kathleen couldn't let any male character have any dignity.
He wasn't even allowed any dignity in the Chinese posters for the movies. They shrunk him for certain audiences while they proclaimed their SJW values on Twitter. Amazing.
What's so heartbreaking to me is that it was the last real chance to have the original cast reprise their roles and have the characters come together again, but they botched it and now we'll never get to see that. If it's retconned, which I hope it is, they'll have to essentially pretend that return of the jedi was the ultimate and final end.
@jamesmills2087 Yeah but would that really be the same? Honestly I feel that no matter how life like ai generated stuff gets there will always be that uncanny Valley feeling no matter what. Even now with one's I can't even differentiate from reality I still always feel like something is off even though I might not be able to explain it.
A major problem with remaking Star Wars trilogy is Ford is 81 yrs old Mark is 71 so unless they are doing some Is narrating with a cameo at the end of the trilogy / which is what I thought they should of done in the trilogy. They should of used younger actors who looked similar to how the actors looked after Return of the Jedi where Luke, Leia, and Hann are fighting the remaining Empire and Luke meeting Mara Jade and how she falls in love with Luke and helps take down the Empire and how the children of Hann and Leia turn out
Another sad part is that they ruined the only high potential character they had in Finn. The idea of having a force sensitive Storm Trooper is really interesting. It kind of brings back the, "what if" scenario where Luke went to the academy before meeting Ben. He was originally going to become a pilot for the Empire.
But, instead they made Finn a Janitor...which breaks the very start of his character as why he was sent on a mission to begin with. Then they further destroy any chance of development by turning into a giant joke on top of that.
Sorry, but the mandatory token black guy was never going to be an interesting character. Just more woke BS thrown onto the shyte pile like it's some kind of seasoning.
@@majorpwner241 OG Trilogy didn't have a "mandatory token black guy". Doesn't matter what color he is, he was an original character in Episode 7 that was something we haven't gotten to see before. Yeah, they completely ruined him and everything else. But he was the only new character that had a background we hadn't explored much yet.
I'm just saying he had potential.
@@majorpwner241Finn was failed by the writing, not because he was black. Lando Calrissian wasn't seen as a mandatory "token black" character in Empire. He was introduced as cool & mysterious
@@rufusgoldstein2655 OK but you do realize that DISNEY totally put him in there because he was black, yeah? There was never going to be any deeper writing or meaning behind the character than that. That makes him the token black guy.
They didn't ruin him, they just didn't use the potential. SW fans say this a lot when referring to 7 being not as bad, but 7 was the cause of the sequels being so bad, all that movie was was potential and mystery boxes.
Having Hamill, Fisher and Ford all back and excited to participate and Kasdan co-writing is like having the football on the one yard line. And yet the Force Awakens was like they took the ball and punted it backwards, instead of just walking into the end zone.
Or passed and threw an interception in the Super Bowl…
Hmm i don't really know football speak or tactics, lol i would say having Larry Kasdan co-writing was equivalent to having that one player on the team who is basically not a "team-player". With regards to Starwars (while using the football analogy) the Pitch Perfect "Dream team" would have been - Jon Watts, Jon Favreau, Dave Filloni and maybe George Miller. Have them all co-write a "Consistent", and meticulously "Planned" out story of the Sequel trilogy, then get Favreau to direct Episode 7. Miller directs the middle chapter Episode 8, and Jon Watts directs the final, concluding End part, Episode 9.
Agreed, except they were on the opponent's 1 yard line, and they somehow got safetied.
@@RaikenXion hell naw Felony is opposite of being consistent when it comes to work with other writers and their characters/events.
I would go so far as to say, the ONLY way Disney can make Star Wars IP make money again, is to retcon ep7, 8 and 9
Too late seeing as Carie Fisher is dead.
Bin the prequels, as well.
@@uphilliceskater why?
@@uphilliceskaternah the prequels are pretty good
@@uphilliceskater Remake the entire saga, but get the best producers, writers and directors! It worked for the Final Fantasy VII remake and the Christopher Nolan Batman reboot movies.
Just started reading Star Wars legends. Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy is infinitely better than the DST.
It still bothers me so much that they never even take time to tell the audience what is the First Order and what is the Resistance. We must assume that even the creators didn’t know. They just wanted new logos so they could sell you another Stormtrooper toy 🤦
The funniest thing to me was when Rose saved fin and kissed him (trying to fulfill an empty romantic arc between the two) and she was canceled for kissing without consent and spent the next movie in exile
What's even funnier is if the races had been reversed she wouldn't have been cancelled. The woke hate Asians almost as much as they hate straight white men.
Aaaahhhh ha haa haa!
When Kylo Ren said "It's Morbin Time!" and morbed all over Ray, I got chills
I actually clinched my fist when you said “Mary Sue….Skywalker” i legit forgot that that joke Rey just decided out of absolutely nowhere that she was a Skywalker. That line was the literal icing on the Shit cake of the trilogy
They NEED to retcon the sequels just because of that one line
Oh and she is actually a Palpatine 😂😂😂
"Somehow Palpatine returned..."
I mean, there is plenty of competition for icing on that shit cake.
LOOK ME IM THE SKYWALKER NOW
With the current interest in multiverses in current media franchises, it would be fairly simple for them to say the DST is its own universe. It wouldn’t be a perfect retcon (I prefer continuities to be continuous) but it would allow Disney to do it without losing too much face, as if they had planned on rebooting the franchise to tell more and more stories the whole time.
The person who really lost out here on a once in a lifetime opportunity is Mark Hammil. Ford and Fischer never really embraced their roles in star wars or the fan community like Mark did and it was a real disservice to him to take the opportunity to give a worthy send-off to the role and franchise that created his entire career.
The worst part of all is that they missed the chance to have the OG cast together in one scene.
Yeah it’s actually so hard to think that it’s not even possible anymore
Doesn't helped the actors who played R2 and Chewie also died too
Yes , total shit fest of a trilogy ! Damage has been done! Why even give Disney a second chance ? Like a lot of fans , I’m done with Star Wars and that’s the legacy and price that they will have to pay for using Star Wars as a platform for political extremism and ideology!
That's one of the first things that should have been in the contract, drafts and scripts. I think the sequels will be remembered for last time fthe OG actors in their roles, even though they didn't give them fair stories or endings. it's hurtful to see them kill off the original trio one at a time. At least I got to see the old actors on the big screen, I say this since I wasn't alive when the original trilogy was released.
"It is too late to apologize"
The PT, albeit being known for its bad dialogue, overuse of CGI that hasn’t aged well and some weird plot points, has contributed so much to the fandom. Amazing new characters and the background of old ones, the depiction of the time period before the empire, depth to the Jedi, an expansion of the universe in general (planets and species mainly), memes and a kickstarter for a new generation of Star Wars projects like The Clone Wars.
I say Disney need to use more CGI. Every show they made feel cheap.
It's easy to say that the CGI in the prequels didn't age well, but it's harder to remember just how hard ILM was pushing the limits of technology. Compare Jar Jar in TPM to that stupid purple monkey thing from the Lost in Space movie just one year earlier
I love the prequels they just added so much lore like the Clone wars is dope and you can't tell me episode 3 wasn't sick as fuck
Well the PT wasn't made like normal movies. Since Lucas had more control, he let his artistic aspects show and the films were tributes to older filming styles and dialog, so nothing was actually wrong with them. The only problem is that most people just don't understand them
Yeah, while the prequel movies had some issues, they were meant to be part of a larger story from the get-go, with tons of books and games adding to that era just as soon as Phantom Menace released. And they all seemed to collectively build towards the larger picture of the Republic's looming fall. Whereas with the Disney sequels, I've never gotten the impression that they were trying to add to a larger story outside the movies. As I recall, for a good while, the only new books from Disney were for the Rebellion period - which makes sense, when you consider that each movie was schizophrenic in how it handled the plots. We've eventually gotten tidbits about the resistance period, like Galaxy's Edge, but nothing significant, and it mostly feels like Disney just trying to patch up the holes in the movies' plot than anything else.
You have an excellent point with "no cultural impact has been made." To be accurate, The Force Awakens *did* have its day in the sun in internet memes, and rightfully so -- it's easily the best of the three.
It still makes zero sense but yeah, if you don't think too hard about it its superficially fun.
I genuinely don't remember any memes that weren't outright making fun of it, and TFA is the best film wise but the worst part of the trilogy imo, it's what caused the issues of 8 which caused the messy bandaid of 9
"How did Han become a Force ghost?" When I saw this scene, I wondered the same thing, but it's actually *worse* than that! Ben only imagined that he was talking to his poorly shaven, dead father, so that he could forgive himself for killing him. Don't ask me how that works.
Here's how I think a new sequel trilogy should open: it's the ending scene of the last movie in the Disney sequel trilogy Ray says "Ray Skywalker", and then it cuts to some Joe schmuckitelli in a dropship waking up as if from a nightmare in the middle of the yuzong vong war, with the new sequel trilogy being a little more focused on ordinary men coming to do extraordinary things.
Because the Skywalker saga ended with the redemption of Luke's father.
I actually feel bad for most of the actors. Not all of them were happy with the direction of the movies, and they had no say.
You can see that with Oscar Isaac. For The Force Awakens he seemed so excited. By The Rise Of Skywalker he seemed sad. He did his best and he's a great actor but nothing could have saved this trilogy.
@@Avalon_1991Meanwhile Adam Driver making every effort to do as little press touring as possible for the films.
Mark Hamill hated how they treated Luke
@@MediumRareOpinions Driver was the only realized good thing about those movies, both Isaac and Boyega had plenty of promise as characters but Isaac was just wasted increasingly on bad lines of exposition and Boyega was just... utterly wasted for what his character could bring.
Thinking about it, the DST appears to have been made of a series of "Wow! Wouldn't this look cool?" moments which were then loosely strung together during editing. Given the multiple reshoots on all 3 films, the changes in edits depending upon country of release and the Skywalker/Palpatine multiple ending, I can't see where these can be considered as a cohesive story arc for anybody involved. So yes, I agree with all you say. It's retcon time.
I've often said that meta problems require meta solutions. Nothing short of decanonization will correct these movies.
Frodo and Gandalf laughing at Rings of Power is an awesome cut. I love it.
A hard reboot is necessary followed by having Timothy Zahn write scripts for the Thrawn trilogy.
@@Lonovavir And have Luke's SUCCESSFUL Jedi Order from the EU, as well as the Yuzan Vong invasion and Kyle Katarn being the Chuck Norris of the Jedi
"Decanonization" : My new favorite word for now.
It would be fairly simple to do too. Make the entire DST a Force vision of what COULD happen if Luke doesn't eventually reconstitute the Jedi Order Properly, as he is being hunted by the last remnants of the Empire, I.e. The Emperor's Hand.
Enter: characters like Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn, the real Solo kids, etc.
Luke sees the shatter point that would lead to the DST timeline, doesn't go that way. Problem solved. You could even keep the DST characters, just in different roles. I.e. Rey a Galatic Senator from Naboo. Po a Commander, Finn a Cantina dive act in Mos Eisley with Rose putty etc
@@fraskf6765 😂
There's even easier way, have You ever heard about "World Between Worlds"
We're the fam and Filoni and Favreau got Us
@@Obsidian-Nebula Yeap, I suppose it is.
It would HAVE to be fully CGI, like The Clone Wars. Harrison Ford is sick of Han Solo. Carrie Fisher is gone. There is only an increasingly bitter Mark Hamill left.
@frask f okay I cannot think of a single angle to view this comment where it doesn't come off as racist and/or sexist. Calling Rose Tico a bad character is one thing, and can be legitimately argued, but calling her an ogre is insulting to Kelly Marie Tran for no real reason. If you want to push away "woke" people and get them to dismiss everything you're saying (including, for instance, why the sequel trilogy should be retconned), immature drivel like this is exactly why they won't listen to what you have to say. Critique the business, not the appearance of the actors in its movies.
A retcon would be good, but Disney should not be the one to do it.
Kind of agree with everything you have said here. The Disney ones were a massive dip from the previous films. If they retconned them, nothing would be lost.
The lack of creativity was astounding in the DST. Throughout human history there have been fallen empires you could mine for story ideas. The story is set in a galaxy, an entire galaxy to play in. These were the planets, species, and story beats they came up with? Could have basically remade every movie ever made, but set in that galaxy.
Disney will suffer for their lack of vision.
The fact they made the New Republic so weak and pathetic hurts too. The film writers so desperately wanted to ape the power imbalance between the Empire and the Rebels, that they made the New Republic fail to notice an army being created, fail to make any impact in the story, and then get all killed off so they can't tip the balance of power back to the good guys side. And the ship sizes and resources get truly bizarre. The First Order is meant to be a remnant. They're basically meant to be like Nazis who refused to accept they were beaten after WW2. And yet they pull out huge fleets, and a ship that's wider than the Executor was long.
Galactic warlord Era with former officers trying to bring back the empire with them at the head would have been much more fascinating. The power creep was absolutely insane. What, is the next trilogy going to have a weapon that will destroy the galaxy? Oops, shouldn't give them ideas.
Honestly... think about it.
"You have control of an endless, completely maleable universe and can create any story, ability, character, idea. What are you gonna do?"
"How about Star Wars again, but with lazy feminism and cheap anti-racism posturing?"
Disney became an enemy of its own fanbase now. For so many great novels they destroyed.
I'm not going to go into detail about how Palpatine made that enormous fleet of ships aside from that he probably made them with the Sith Star Forge but the casual moviegoer isn't going to know what that is. Which there was a lot that could be explained lorewise but it was done terribly in the first place. They wasted John Boyega's character and the most compelling character with an actual arc was Adam Driver's character but they killed him to save her and piss everyone off when she elected to make herself a Skywalker which wasn't explained why, they just did it because Skywalker became synonymous with a legend or something. No, my favorite parts of the old trilogy was when they would say stuff off the cuff like "making the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs" like no one knew what that was, but it helped to expand the universe originally so that fans could imagine and speculate about the galaxy far far away. To quote Peter Griffin, the DST "insists upon itself." I only watched each once when they came out just for kicks. I make it a habit to watch the originals and yes the prequels at least once a year.
Thank you for so eloquently expressing my every thought I’ve conceived on this matter in a very well formulated video essay. I enjoyed every minute of you presenting the facts and logic of the state of Star Wars, it truly is a spectacle how you managed it.
If I were to be critical though, Han technically wasn’t a Force ghost in TRoSW, it's explicitly said in the film that he's a memory, not a Force Ghost. He didn't 'come back', his son just had an imaginary conversation with him. Although, in some ways that explanation is even worse as Kylo wasn’t really having a conversation of the past, but moreso one of the present … Which means that Ben Solo was schizophrenic, or the writers just hand fisted that scene in there when they missed a much more poignant opportunity; who better to motivate Ben Solo to revert to light than an ancestor whom he idolized, who committed unforgivable atrocities and believed himself to be too far gone, but eventually redeemed himself?
Anyway, I digress.
Great video m8. Loved every second!
they could've had a scene at the beginning of the force awakens where the camera pans to a space diner and then zooms in on luke, leia, han, chewie, c3po, and r2d2 sitting in a booth having space coffee and space donuts and then they all look out the window, smile, wave, and chuckle knowingly as they see the falcon fly by and everyone would've been satisfied. that's all they had to do.
Nope. It would stolen Mary Sue and Darth Vader junior's lightening. Plus what about subverting the audiences expectation!?
Scene Open: LUKE [Mark Hamill] is meditating inside the Jedi Temple on Yavin IV. Scenes from movies 7-9 flash through his consciousness, causing ever increasing pain and fear within him. He breaks his meditation and rises to his feet. "I have to prevent this from happening."
And then the rest of the three films are just an adaptation of The Thrawn Trilogy.
Oh man. They could meme the hell out of a scene like that. Have all the flashes be of the crappy stuff in the films like "they fly now!" Or luke drinking the blue milk
It wouldn't explain why his dream made no sense.
You'll have to explain the death of Leia (CGI ain't gonna cut it).
Actually, just do the Thrawn Trilogy, get new actors for Luke and Company. If it's a great adaptation, we can accept the new actors.
If Disney or whoever does a retcon or remake of the sequel trilogy and abandons this terrible timeline, some may complain that they are abandoning amazing history and storytelling (ROFL). Just remind them of this saying:
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
The SW complete saga is 1-6. It says so on my Blu-ray box set 🙂
The complete saga that only true SW fans would own.
The Fact they didnt make an adaptation of Star Wars Legends is a crime
I've been saying this for years. We need the Lucas edition of the sequel trilogy.
Best idea i heard was a thrawn trilogy that slowly transorms into bringing the sides of that conflict together to battle an outer galactic invasion. It explains that palpatine built so many SD and death stars in order to keep order but to also defend their galaxy from the inevitable threat.
Amen to that 😎
That part with Frodo and Gandalf laughing about Rings of Power got me😂
What's crazy about rings of power is had they actually cared Amazon would've been responsible for a giant cultural moment on par with the og trilogy, like, they had all the resources. I guess in a way it's still a major moment for film culture, just not how it was intended. I mean the og trilogy will last for generations to come. Rings of power is gonna be remembered as the thumb up the ass that ruined the whole vibe
With the recent news concerning yet *another* Star Wars sequel with Rey, I gotta say that this, unfortunately, didn’t age well.
The reasons are all still valid, but I did underestimate Disney's stupidity and incompetence. The movie will bomb, if it ever gets msde.
@@DespotofAntrim Battling the ESG social credit system is going to be the main issue with regards to quality entertainment (and anything else for that matter) for the next few years. I'm not entirely sure how to tackle that issue, as it seems that entities like Blackrock can apparently sever the financial oxygen of anybody who dares to resist their ideological biases. I would be curious to hear your thoughts on this issue.
Love your channel, by the way. Keep it up!
@@DespotofAntrim How can you underestimate their stupidity with LAR 17, 18, etc coming out?
@@TimeWaster_Elite You do what several states are now doing, basically telling Blackrock and CO to go piss up a lake.
At this stage I don't think a simple retcon is going to be enough.
I think we're going to need a big apology from Disney and their assurances that they're attacks on the fan base are going to cease now and forever.
I was actually holding out hope after seeing some episodes of the mandalorian that maybe they might be able to salvage something out of the complete disaster that was the sequel trilogy.
Then they came out with Obi-Wan and basically told me before I even saw it that if I didn't like it obviously it was because I was racist.
Between that and the way they treated Gina Carano I was done.
I won't go back to Disney even if they do retcon the complete and total disaster that was the sequel trilogy.
It's going to take more than that. I don't trust Disney as far as I can throw them and I am not going to get my hopes up that they're going to pull their heads out of their butts and do something worthwhile only to have my hopes dashed yet again I'm done with that.
I despise Disney. I never thought I'd ever say that, at one point I was actually a fan.
When my kids were little every time Disney put out something new we'd get it. If I had kids now the last thing in the world I'd let them watch is any of the sludge that is coming out of that god-awful company.
So if Disney really does want to reengage with the fan base I think it's going to take more than just a retcon.
I think they're going to have to get down on bended knee and apologize and reassure us that all of the woke nonsense is done and that they're going to stop trying to use our favorite IP to push some kind of idiotic political message.
If they do that I might listen. Otherwise they can cram Star Wars up their bung holes preferably with a lightsaber pointed sideways at the same time.
Sorry if that's a little graphic but I cannot even begin to relay my complete and total contempt for this company
There are millions who feel exactly as you do. Thanks for the comment.
A competent money man at the Company will eventually issue out an apology but that won’t happen until Kathleen Kennedy is gone
@@joshgamingvlogs5203 I won't believe she's gone until I see security dumping a box of her crap on the sidewalk out front.
Honestly I think she knows where way too many bodies are buried and that's why they haven't been able to get rid of her to this point.
She's completely destroyed Star Wars is an IP and from the sounds of things is about to do the exact same thing to Indiana Jones.
And yet she still maintains her job. That tells me she's got a lot of dirt on a lot of really high-profile people.
Nothing else could really explain how she could be so completely and still remain employed
No you shouldn’t get anything
“You’ll never see a single cosplay from the DST” except an occasional Rey and Kylo Ren. Can’t exclude those. Still, even people dressing up as those characters are few and far between.
I'm not even mad at the upcoming Rey movie; at this point I want Disney to fail spectacularly and ruin their precious IP so thoroughly that they all become useless. I won't pay for to go see it of course, but I will admit I am morbidly curious what the next installment of the Palpatine saga will bring. Watching Disney continually screw up is the most entertaining thing about the company ever since they decided that entertainment was optional.
Now that Carrie Fisher has passed away and Harrison Ford isn't likely to want to come back, they blew their one opportunity to bring the gang back together. They had such little respect for the IP they were leeching off of that they missed out on what could've been a goldmine.
"Cloning...secrets only the Sith knew!"
Attack of the Clones literally shows an Alien race with their own culture and planet that legitimately makes clones as a way of making money in a Capitalistic Universe. They were not associated with the Sith in any way. They just produce a product for money.
"Somehow Palpatine returned"
So many problems with this, but how do they even know the Emperor's name is Palpatine? After the events of Revenge of the Sith he is then only referred to as "the emperor" and throughout the OG trilogy even his highest ranked officers and Lord Vader never use his name. How would a bunch of nobody resistance rebels know his name and immediately recognize it's the emperor? It would have made infinitely more sense if they said, "Somehow, the emperor returned".
"Horrible things have happened with this dagger"
She says this as she's holding the lightsaber that murdered an absurd amount of Jedi including a large amount of CHILDREN. That lightsaber did more harm to the galaxy than the Death Star. That lightsaber literally contributed to ending the republic and bringing in the empire. In comparison, the dagger is sunshine and rainbows.
*The use of force healing to bring back the dead*
This, is literally a Dark Side power. It's about as unnatural as you can get. Anakin's fall to the Dark Side was believing his Sith Lord master could help him save Padme from death. How it's portrayed as a perfectly good and light side power is absolutely moronic after we literally had an entire movie explaining that trying to save someone from death is in essence an evil power to wield. It's basically necromancy. It's not natural and it's not good.
There's just so much more, but it boggles my mind as to how they messed up the most simple things.
Thanks for those. I'll add them to the pile.
@@DespotofAntrim how big is the pile getting?
Agree. But Grogu used Force healing to... Mandalorian series are bad because of the sequels...
@@kolaranze The concept of "Force healing" in the Star Wars Universe in general is stupid to me. It brings up more problems that anything, and creates major plot holes throughout the entire series.
@@Firealone9 agree
Retcon the Sequel Trilogy
Start over with the Thrawn Trilogy using the remaining (willing) actors with deepfake technology
This can be done
This absolutely should be done
Disney had so much great content from Legends that they could make shows of that the fans would love but instead they chose to write their own crappy fan fiction that broke the lore of Star Wars. It’s sheer stupidity.
Facts behind all your words. I have high respects for you.
You should also add the fact that they are stuck making only content around the OT & PT eras, while anything to do with the DST era has been either cancelled or brought as an excuse to defend it. Plus, if they don't retcon the DST, then anything content surrounding the OT & PT such as Clone Wars, Rogue One, Andor, Rebels, Jedi Fallen Order, Bad Batch, etc, would feel like a waste of time since they lead up or extend from the climax of the OT which the DST render pointless.
Also, even if Carrie Fisher isn't around, and Harrison Ford doesn't want to play Han Solo anymore, they can still bring back the characters on screen anyway like they did with Leia in Rogue One and Luke in Book of Boba Fett.
Mando and Andor are good, I hope that they can find a way to change the timeline using World Between Worlds or something. Great video! :)
Thanks very much. I honestly haven't been that impressed with anything Disney has done, Andor I find quite dull if well made. They really should be mining the expanded universe, it's a goldmine just lying untapped.
If Kathleen Palpatine is there then forget it, you might get a flash of something good but her poison courses through every vein of Starwars.
I really wonder what kind of Story Filoni and Favreu would have cooked up if they had been given the task of writing the Sequels.
@@DespotofAntrim yeah it's not like they have tons of books and comics to draw from, per Darth KK herself.
It's over. 🤷♂️
You make the best counter-commentary. Love all your videos
Great video! Your breakdown of the films set to the duel music was the best laugh I’ve had in at least a week. Thank you for that, too.
It’s time for Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni to take full control of Star Wars
"No one is interested in Finn's debut album"
Who is "we", I wanna hear that shit
It kinda sucks that those ideas of bring Luke, Leia, and Han together again for another trilogy is practically impossible.
Carrie Fisher is dead, Harrison Ford won’t return even if paid the entire budget of the US government, and Mark Hamill… It’s a maybe on him, but still.
Unfortunately, it looks like you'll have to eat your words Despot. Because Disney's doubling down six feet with the sequel trilogy.
Possibly, but if I were to guess I'd say Indy 5 bombs hard, KK gets fired from Lucasfilm and the next idiot they hire cancels her projects. I hope the Rey movie gets made though.
Honestly, Disney have completely fucked Star Wars for me. I'm done with it in Disney form. I don't trust that they can even retcon their trash with anything good. In the last decade, Disney have proven over & over again that they just don't have the creative talent to do it. That & they just don't give a shit about George Lucas's vision nor the fans.
I'm in my 40's now & I'm happy just annually rewatching the original 6 movies and ignore the existence of the Disney movies.
100% agree, if Disney do retcon the DST and replace it, the replacement will probably be shit, though it couldn't possibly be as bad. Andor is mediocre. I have seen some absurdly positive reaction to it but it's the Force Awakens effect playing out again (everything before was shit, this seems good, it's amazing!).
I agree completely. Until Hollywood's obsession with woke, left wing extremism ends, it's this shit or what we knew and I've made my peace with enjoying past stuff until it changes.
@@DespotofAntrim Bang on bro!
@@DespotofAntrim plus they make it impossible to watch on Disney plus because most people don’t have the app I miss the days put shows on channels instead of online.
@@DespotofAntrim A ret-con might be shit, BUT if it honours the lore and is based on the EU, and is relevant to ROTJ in the story, it'd be watchable shit.
I agree, Retconning these movies would be a great move. Of course depending on what they retcon it into. Which if it were done now, it'd probably be even worse. So I don't really hold out much hope for even that really.
The movies have basically already been retconned (no follow ups, no spin offs, no video games, they gave up on merch and books), it's only a question of how they retcon them officially.
@@DespotofAntrim uh oh someone has not been paying attention to the Mandalorian. The Mandalorian and pretty much explains that Palpatine is ordering the Empire remnants to capture Grogo so Palpatine can figure out a way to extend his life hundreds 0 if not thousands of years
@Mario Badia that is open ended enough that mandolorian could spring board to any kind of sequel. It is not written in stone.
Another unforgivable crime of DST .... Luke's green lightsaber is absent, we are saddled by the blue lightsaber that Luke lost in Episode 5 along with his hand. That lightsaber was meant to be lost and should have stayed lost. The Green lightsaber was personally built by Luke Skywalker and it should have remained his.
Absolutely hit the nail on the head. Thanks for the upload,beautifully said and put together,i wish i could thumbs up multiple times. And i subbed.
Good point about the First Order. I haven't seen anyone say that they are mostly intact, they focus on Rey Skywalker or that the Final Order should've switched towers back once the heroes went to the new one.
My favorite part of the sequel trilogy is in the last Jedi when everything starts to fall apart and Poe declares a mutiny against Haldo, it'd be a cool idea to set up a new rebel alliance only for it to fall apart.
Disney can retcon every disney star wars product and I’ll still never give them another chance. They absolutely crossed a line when we got the obi-wan show. Their best bet is to sell star wars to someone who actually appreciates it
Casual Star Wars fan here. For the most part I've liked the shows on Disney Plus, but after watching the pile of garbage that The Last Jedi is during lockdown, I don't even have it in me to watch Rise of Skywalker. I was already not into The Force Awakens. Just retcon the whole thing
Same the last jedi was what killed all my hope for Disney and i never saw ep 9. Revenge of the sith is still my favorite
Remember, Episode 9 effectively distanced itself from the events of Episode 8 in its first twenty minutes.
Still blows my mind they never had a scene with Luke, Han, and Leia just shooting the shit for old times sake and now with Carry Fishers passing it's literally impossible even with a retcon. God forbid they try some cursed CGI stand in.
To be fair, the Luke CGI in Mando was pretty damn good, so I wouldn't mind them doing that again in a retcon trilogy.
@@olafgurke4699 That’s downright wrong. Mark Hamill is alive to see how they represented him. Big difference there. They really have screwed that opportunity no matter what.
@@AttiMatter Only downright wrong is your opinion here. Have you even watched Mando? That scene alone was better than anything they did in the sequels combined.
To clarify, they absolutely have wasted the opportunity to have the big 3 meet on the big screen again, and there is really no excuse for that. The entire sequels are one big, mean spirited joke. That said, CGI isn't bad in principle, and can work very well if used respectfully, as with my example of young Luke in Mando.
@@olafgurke4699 Never said anything about the sequels. I think we can all agree that that they're garbage, as for Mando I've seen all of it and own way more Grogu's than I should, the hallway moment happens to be my favorite scene as well, CG Luke was awesome there and in BOBF; but you're missing the point. Carrie Fisher literally would not be alive to see her representation, and most people, though I guess not you, would definitely think it was super weird if they just tossed her CGI face in and didn't say anything about it.
@@AttiMatter Ooohh. It seems my interpretation of your comment was downright wrong. My apologies, I missed your point, it seems.
You meant that it'd be weird for a CGI Leia to be a thing because Carrie isn't with us anymore, and that CGI Luke was okay because Mark is around. Now I get it.
Well, I can see how that might be a problem. She was still around when Rogue One came out, right? That movie got a CGI Leia moment as well, iirc.
Well, I think personally, it would severely depend on how they approach a CGI Leia now. If it's done like the hallway scene, full of respect to the originals, then I'd see no problems. It'd be a great tribute to the actor's achievements, and the characters they brought to live, I think.
Star Wars 10 intro: Luke Skywalker wakes up at his Jedi training facility and says "What a horrible dream I just had. Han was killed and Palpatine had returned from the dead".
Oh shit, Rey is back, guess they didn't learn.
In the scene with Rey levitating all the stuff around her while Luke watches in astonishment, I can just imagine the director said to Hammill, "Okay now react as though you just watched God creating the universe".
The new episode 7 should open with a grand yet somber funeral for Princess Leia, attended by Han, Luke and Chewbaca. Han then says goodbye to Luke and leaves in the Falcon cause Harrison Ford doesn't want to stick, around for anything anymore. Luke then continues to train and lead a new generation of jedi.
Even if Disney deletes the sequels, I don't think the next movie would be of quality as it still is disney
The sequels had potential but disney cared more about money than the actual story
Yoda didn't burn the Jedi texts. Rey had already taken them. There was a scene of Rey on the ship with the texts beside her. Yoda blew up the tree--in Luke's face--before Luke had a chance to see that they were gone. The question is: Why did Yoda want Luke to think he destroyed the Jedi texts? He could have just said, "Rey has them now." Instead, he said something cryptic which actually suggested that she had the texts. It was a pointless ploy. What's Luke going to do? Hunt her down so he can destroy the texts?
because 8 was made by brian and 9 by JJ, who had different visions.
My dad introduced me to Star Wars when I was 7 in back in 2008 and I was in absolute love with everything Star Wars until The Last Jedi. The disappoitment and sadness can't be put into words, yes we did watch EP9 (as was tradition by this point to watch new SW movies together). Yet we felt nothing but emptiness. Since then I wasn't in a cinema again. I hate Disney Star Wars.
My dad introduced me when I was like three or two and I played kotor when I was 3 honestly if they want to repair goodwill in the fandom make kotor one and two canon even two fits into their woke stuff with a canon female protagonist
Disney does have some good works such as Andor, Mandalorian and Clone Wars S7. Rogue One and Bad Batch aren't bad either
@@GrandAdmiralGonk Even if there is good stuff. I am at a point were I don't care anymore for Disney Star Wars. Everything ends in REEEEEEEEEY Palpatine burying Anakin's and Leia's lightsabers. So whats the point.
Is you still enjoy stuff they put out and that is good then I am glad that you have you fun.
@@GrandAdmiralGonk yeah I don’t think that’s the overall problem it’s more like the end story of the trilogy is shit and where it’s all headed anyway
Sadly it was the last movie I saw with my dad in cinema before he passed away over a year ago.
Extremely well done. Amazingly succinct breakdown of the issues with the films. Well done.