Last time little sirpugger aka William tried stealing credit for my work he found out the hard way what happens, now he avoids rs3 like a good little boy
4:39 I can see the reason behind this one being that the intervention machine only disassembles 60 items per hour, the same amount that we can do in a sheer 72 seconds.
Don't forget about the Bots that are doing 2k Zamorak Enrage, there was a streamer couple months back showcasing this. Love the idea of bringing more people in to beware of this type of stuff including selling IFB titles (since around 2017) , Slayer collection logs / clue grinds for HCIM & IM for EOF's / collecting secondary herblore ingredients / ect.
I don't think Jagex wants to admit how many bots infest osrs and rs3. I think it's potentially 50%, not sure how to trust posted numbers, add the Bot detector plugin on RL and it's depressing.
@@6XburnXyourXfriendsX not really tho, they have stated that they are aware of bots and know how much of the playerbase are bots and even stated percentages and how many are banned each day/month. they cant ban all bots instantly because that would just crash the economy mainly because bots basically sustain the whole playerbase with resources, thats why with every update jagex does some minor coding changes that crashes bots and basically inconvenience them and make them rewrite the script (basically thats the reason why you see so many bots walking in circles and shit or doing something completely random after a game update). the statement you are talking about didnt even come from Jagex themselves and they stated that that statement is just straight up false
It's really simple from the Jagex side. People create bot accounts and these accounts need membership - more accounts - more money to Jagex. Simple math....
This is exactly why they will never “deal” with fixing botting. Its so very obvious they try to make us think they want them gone when in reality they do not.
Stoner logic i swear. The average player isn't running a botfarm and is just abusing public scripts therefor isn't spending any more than a normal player in terms of membership. To say Jagex allows the bots to line their pockets shows how little people know about the struggle of the anti-cheat team.
I certainly won't lie: the temptation to bot on my main was, and still is, overwhelming ever since I was an 11-year-old skipping homework and studying to "play" RuneScape (sit at a screen and alch for 5 hours or WC yews in the Gnome Stronghold for just as long). I've come close to downloading Powerbot like a few of my friends in school did, but here's the rub: *everyone* I know IRL who botted, and whether it was their main or an alt, those accounts got *banned.* I am quite literally the *only* person in my *entire* circle of friends (IRL and online) who still has the original account he made when he was a fucking preteen. That's a SOBERING fucking realisation to have. Imagine all those years of progress flushed down the drain because you were too lazy to git gud. It's a pretty fucking strong deterrent to an intrepid preteen turned teenager turned adult when you know damn well just how many people got banned for botting, how fucking stupid the shit they got banned for was, and how attached I am to my main from 2007 that I have damn near max stats on after like what, 17 years of playing?
I get the same feeling especially after watching a few botting to max series on youtube. they lasted for quite some time but they were no lifing the bots so im like hey. if i was to bot and keep it reasonable and not run it 24/7 i might get away with it and seems to be more secure in terms of bot detection since the scripts are being ran in the cloud vs injected. kinda like osrs runelite bots have lower ban detection vs injected bots like dreambot etc. That said i never went with it i spent too much time on my main to risk it again since i had a macro ban(major) ~ a decade ago. i forgot what bot it was but i only used it for a few hours and got slammed lol it was bad. that got appealed. too paranoid to even make a new account on a different computer with its own ip and stuff i don't want any potential crosslap at all. so we are staying legit!
@@shotnothing3419 Nah. That's the ultimate folly. RuneScape has a grindy and addictive gameplay loop, the tedium of which actively creates an incentive for botting. Once you mix addictive gameplay loop with black markets, that's where shit can spiral quickly. Are there people with unaffected accounts who've been botting since the Gower Brothers ran Jagex? I don't doubt the possibility, but I've never once met a "responsible" botter in my entire life.
Now, have I been tempted to set up a bot running clue scrolls or something on a fresh account from a different IP and then "die" to my main in the wildy while skulled with a 6B hat in my inv? Yes. Definitely. I have still fought off the urge, though.
I saw someone with a zuk cape botting the dg arch update. His bot literally was stuck for hours in the same spot. We all reported him. Literally saw him yesterday. No punishment for anyone.
After Vee's video, I was kinda worried that no content creator was willing to talk about this topic. This is way over the top and I hope jagex is taking this shit seriously
@@6XburnXyourXfriendsXNo one likes bots but they’re honestly needed How many items on the GE would be basically unobtainable or just massively inflated more than it is now? Most bots should be banned but leaving some here and there definitely helps more than it hurts.
@@tylers92 I don't know, I think the "bots keep prices low" argument is a wash; sure, it's true that bots keep things like ores and potions low, but this also means taking those profits away from legitimate players. If those ores, for example, were a decent amount higher, then real players would be far more inclined to actually acquire them through legitimate means.
@@napoleonsrighthand that’s the problem… most players wouldn’t be willing to gather tedious resources certain resources would sky rocket many of the items on the GE aren’t even correct as is rs3 player count is already low and resources leave the game quick some bots are necessary even if we don’t like them 🤷♂️
*In the current state of RuneScape 3's economy, us botters are seen as a stabilizing factor. We supply a steady flow of resources, keeping the market active and prices stable. This helps balance out the fluctuations in the lack of player activity and the overall demand. While botting has its downsides, and most of you might not like that I partake in botting, it's ultimately US that help maintain the overall stability of the game's economy. Trust me, you would be surprised..*
@@Eric4bz The steady supply of items from bots actually help prevent extreme price hikes and shortages, making the game more accessible for casual players. Casual players Jagex is desperate for.. While botting isn't a perfect solution and has its downsides, I agree with you. It does contribute to irrefutable market stability. We're always going to be here, moderation is far more profitable to Jagex than elimination.
I was looking for this comment, as I am completely on your side. I'm not a botter myself, I'm just a very averago joe who enjoys to play runescape every now and then. I don't want to grind picking flax, I want affordable bowstrings on the GE. I think nobody wants to grind picking flax anymore. (Just an example of what you're calling a steady flow of skilling supplies)
The reason you need to disable anticheat is because cheat software interacts with the game in the same way some malware does (using techniques such as code injection or methods to evade detection by the runescape client). It doesn't mean they are doing shady things, and to be honest you don't need to be a genius to write malware that doesn't get detected by AV software anyway.
lol if you think that I have a bridge to sell you. AV is pretty damn good these days and mostly you will exclude stuff for performance based reasons ie might get file locks on network based shares, but a bot client has no reason for this. If a bot client cant operate without it, it is doing something shady, or having the ability to do stuff which is shady
@@checker297 of course it has the *ability* to do something shady. most the shit running on your pc does. injection + read/write memory + function hooking/calling. all the same things malware uses as well as every cheat ever created barring simple macros/pixel bots. a bot client cant operate without it because its the core concept of how most bots(or even non bot cheats) except pixel bots work. i cant tell you how many times ive made a bot/hack for a game and it gets flagged one compile, but not another. particularly defender. defender is awful, constantly flags my own stuff, or stuff that is open source (example: cheat engine) knowing damn well its fine. this is the one that theyre probably wanting you to disable for that exact reason. an actual antimalware/antivirus false flags these types of programs far less then defender.
@@checker297 No, AV will frequently block software based on heuristics which include age, how common software is and what API calls it does. A lot of cheat software is also obfuscated to prevent people from cracking it or to prevent anti-cheat creators from learning how it works, which has a very high false-positive rate with AVs. I've seen it block legitimate software plenty of times, including my own stuff as I compile it.
yeah, i watched furyshark's vids too with a morbid fascination. as clearly you did aswell ;). at this point i sadly don't think the game would look anything like it currently does without bots, since i don't see that many players doing all the menial tasks that bots are currently doing (those sorts of people are already playing ironman mode anyway). but who knows, i could be wrong.
I enjoy just messing around on my main with mid level supplies and made good money. Think like lvl70-80 items you can craft, also just straight up god wars dungeon.
Pretty sure Jagex came out and said that they don't care if you bot to an extent. This was the statement I'm referring to. "The main focus within the game is to make sure the excesses of bots are policed and managed. Flagged accounts are managed out of the game, and therefore what is left inside the game is a sort of equilibrium of players and bots... if I have [three accounts] there's a good chance that one of them is me and two accounts are bots... If a player is sufficiently committed to pay for three accounts, and have an account and two bots as part of its ecosystem, then so be it." Yes they ban bots, mostly bot armies. Not really targeting some guy doing crafting in portables world just trying to get 120. I can't even count how many bots I've seen in Ascension Dungeon with 200m range-def-hp. Those guys run forever. Imagine the price of keys if bots aren't there to farm them
I used to bot when I was younger, never to the extent some people do. However, as I got older I noticed I'd quit playing for a long time quickly after using bots. This was because I was taking the fun out of the game. There's no sense of reward if you achieve a goal through botting, so it actually damages your experience as a player. What really solidified this belief for me was when I made my ironman at the mining/smithing rework. And if you gave a brand new player an account with a comp cape, they wouldn't know what to do or understand the time/effort it took to get there. Unfortunately, it's impossible for Jagex to get rid of all bots. Botting basically just turns any game into an idle game.
I completely agree. Just today, I stumbled upon a RUclipsr named MN Phantom doing a botting to max series. Maybe you could pass that info along. Thanks for the video!
*Lmao... 69% of RUNESCAPE's player base is made up of bots.* 🤫 If Jagex really wanted them gone, they would have "done something." But in reality, Jagex needs them... Bots allow the owner to farm items, Items = $$$ $$$ in-game being sold to RWT sites, Sellers sell GP, Players buy GP, Jagex "catches/ bans" buyers, While the merchants get richer by manipulating items & prices, The economy is then "stabilised," And the cycle repeats. Merchants are happy, Jagex is happy. Thank You. ~ the end ~ *_Source : Thrust me bro_*
ty 4 video, great information and hopefully jagex takes actions soon. Maybe make a video about how it is getting popular to see multiple accounts in game like 6-12 alts all moving or activating anything at the same time with ONE click. Seen this start with one player and now there are like 5 players and jagex should stop this before more players decide to join in and brake game rules.
As much money as Ive spent on RS3 I should be allowed to bot whenever I fucking want lol. I regularly report someone who is botting in divination but nothing ever happens. You can clearly tell the account is botting. Jagex hasn't done anything about it.
Shiiittt!! I did not think botting was anywhere near as high as this video showed. I'm strictly an ironman, so the economy doesnt affect me with all these bot drops, however it is still upsetting to see this game version being heavily botted as well =/
Honestly... without bots. Shit would be prohibitively expensive. Jagex has balance drops around bots and alts and it fucking sucks for normal players. I'm an ironlike player and the amount of grinding I have to do is utterly insane. Yes, I chose to play like this, but also I have enough money to just buy everything I want... then what? Progression is what makes the game fun, but some of the grinds needed to progress need to be looked at
That's why people complain about bots, they want to be able to get billions from every drop in the game and bots keep prices down. What I find funny is people complain about bots while they're using Simple macro's to play the game. 😂
Bots are needed to maintain rs3 economy and there aint a thing jagex can do about it tbh... Who do you think makes supplies cheap? Its that or jagex directly selling items Although ofc they make bonds prices high due to demand, which is bad... I used to have a botfarm a few years ago(50-60 accs), just realised its more worth my time actually working and buying bonds to fund my main anyway... I do not know which software they are selling/negotiating in particular in rs3 and what im saying is from experience on 2018-2021 id say. Things might have changed, couldnt tell but from what Ive seen in the video its almost the same as it was back then
Before I watch the video I wanted to say... thanks! I was a botter in my early teen years (more than 10 years ago!) and I lost a lot of accounts. I made some 'cool woodcutting bot accounts' and was happy until I felt that it didn't really feel like an achievement. Bots are ruining the game currency, selling accounts and hacking people..... do not encourage or support any of those people! It's not worth it and Jagex didn't make the game to be botted.
Appreciate the shoutout. But do you really have to mention how botting is so immoral and huge sin, meanwhile rs3 shoves these stupid micro transactions up your ass constantly. They literally sell gold with bonds, so in the case of rs3 no it's not immoral and they lost all rights to cry about RWT they you so blatantly do it themselves. Thanks.
Botting is reasonable in a world where jagex sells exp. Runescape was a great experience, but it became jagex cashcow. I can't blame players for trying to skip the artificial grind jagex imposes. Grinding nowadays sounds like "poor people time tax", unlike before wheel of fortune.
@@DrowsyYo OR they can contruct their own moral argument, play how they want, and engage with friends over elements of the game OTHER than the poor people time tax. It's almost like there are more reasons than whatever your reason is to play the game.
Bond prices are seriously outrageous nowadays. I’m someone who has a job and a social life, meaning I’ll usually play like 1 or maybe 2 hours in a day, and probably not every day. I can’t justify spending 140m on a single bond for membership anymore, if all I’m going to ever do in my few hours of playtime is just making gp back to finance the bond. And I can’t justify spending real life money on it either because I’m really just not getting a lot of playtime out of it. I’m deciding to take a lengthy break from the game because of this.
Wtf is even that argument lol. You either spent IRL money because you can afford it or grind ingame to upkeep your membership. Do you expect to play for free or wtf?
Same boat friend. I'd love to play, but whether you are spending your time or money, it is such a horrible return for your investment it isn't worth it anymore.
@@versi0nCF I’ve always been able to grind for it, I’ve been playing this game for 20 years. But it just isn’t a sustainable way to play the game anymore.
@@steelblood4116 that’s exactly it. The investment, money or gp, is just no longer justifiable if you’re not consistently playing multiple hours a day.
Well at least it's not as bad as old school while you can find bots in rs3 they are not so common as in old school where you can't find place without them
i seen a guy botting rasiel on 4 accs with 4 blue phats and max gear/stats. Just sad and makes me wanna leave this game where devs clearly dont care about botting and our achivements.
He's not advertising it he's just specifically stating is that this is how easy it is to bot. I've been playing for 22 years and I still remember having to fight over coal because of botters it takes so much away from the game when I can't compete with people because they have a program that's better than me as a human because they're mining level is fake while mine actually was real work
its still advertisment, and it works cause the discords for both public bots have gotten more people. also bots dont affect your achievements in the slightest. why do you care about your level vs theirs? play for yourself, not others.
@@jmel1000 when you work 50 hours a week and have a family with little kids. Let me know how much extra time you have to play rs3. I much rather have a bot take care of the skills that suck why I hang out with my family🤷🏼 shame on me
@@James-u2s I work 15hour days mostly 6 out of the 7 days and still have time to enjoy runescape have a maxed account and still able to find time to enjoy the Cinema, Dinner outings and gaming. Guess you're the problem.
So, there are literal bots for everything, and bots that are getting maxed without getting caught, and there are people regularly getting falsed bans? This is a bad look for Jagex when their customer support for these things is non existent *twitter cough cough*. Wild that this can go on like this.
1:30 usually because injecting code into processes is getting flagged by AVs, because malware does the exact same thing, no point in botting though as skilling macros made with drivers like icue wont get you caught either way.
The unfortunate truth is that bots make Jagex money, so getting rid of them isn't in their best financial interest. However as most likely use bonds for membership, there is an argument that they are not making as much money off from them because that is less membership fees in their pockets and if in game bond prices are high, they sell less bonds too as players need to buy less to get to their GP goals
Thank you for shedding light on this very important topic. If we want the game that we all love to still be enjoyable this botting needs to be stopped in its tracks
not really, stopping bots completely is arguably impossible, even kernel level anticheat systems cant catch all bots and the more accounts you ban the more false bans there will be, so you just swap one problem with another one
@@stevetrevor7004 no, they should keep doing what they are doing at the moment, keep collecting data and make the process more precise and that's literally what they are doing, the amount of bots that get banned everyday is honestly kind of insane. At the end of the day bots will always be a part of MMORPG games, there isn't much you can't do to prevent them from existing all together
I think Jagex should provide an additional automation skill in the game that can compete with these bots in some capacities. Or more afk ways to gather these resources without it being just a grind/time tax. If someone wants to have a machine supply the GE with resources nobody gives a shit to collect anymore then I'm fine with it. Makes it easier for me to get the supplies I want. I think boss botting is excessive, I get that the goal is farming for gold/rwt. I'm fine if that stays against the rules. But I am curious how GE equipment prices would change if boss afking was more accessible. But the economy already lacks so many items in the GE having a regular supply, and if we can't get new players to help build that supply then let the bots do it so I can get my supplies when I'm playing rather than having to wait for it to settle overnight.
When I was going for max cape I was so happy to see only few bots. Now as I am going for master max I sometimes wish more bots to drop prices. I have only 4 skills left to master max so after that I might change my mind again ;D
I would never bot but i do see it from an economic stand point, that ultimately they benefit the market by saturating it with more items, keep prices for things no one wants to farm down.
I will never understand the motivation between wanting to bot. Do these people just not like engaging with the game? I thought the nature of the game was quite literally grinding out bosses and skills for the love of the game.
I used bot for many years, I used all avaiable bots and I've lost many accounts... today I find out its waste of time to start from begining every ban xD I've been clean for 2 years... Today I just put some Weight in my keyboard so that I dont get lougout for idle and my character can do some afk like mining, thieving etc for a while more... xD
Just to be clear, Im nor proud of it, and I really dont recommend anybody to use bots/macros, because Im sure you will have your account banned and become unmotivated... I play this game since I was 11, now im 30 and you know, sometimes we dont have much time and greed ends up speaking louder.... but not worth it to bot guys...
lmao what did yall think happened in this game? how many times when you are around other playing skilling or killing do they interact at all? this is why the game feels empty all the time even when you are surrounded by many players. it's just a big bot farm
I know a guy who used python to make easy scripts to max his account, then he stopped botting once he was 99 in everything and just played. Found it odd. Getting 99's was my pride and joy back then and it's easier than ever
same reason games like wow/ffxiv etc have level/storyline skips. theres no legit way to do that (other than spending thousands, pretty sure it hits 5 figures). rs3 is pvm, people want to get straight into pvm. and the satisfaction from gaining levels mean far less to people in rs3 thanks to amped up rates and the obvious treasure hunter. even ironman isnt really as satisfying as it used to be with how crazy exp gain has gotten.
Theres nothing for them to do. Cause the botts arent running or editting RuneScape game. The bots know there to clock. Only way for them to detect you is someone reporting you and them monitoring you.
jagex allowing well knowing streamers to use pvm macros also just reforce that "bot is allowed" for those ones that aim easy way to get better than normal tryhard players
I'm not sure if you realize or not but making this video just put a spotlight on the botting website.. you showed the script names, I simply googled ************ (script name) and the whole website popped up... So yeah it's good to bring light to this but do it in a way that doesn't advertise their website... I'm not a botter but if I were you just set me up with everything I'd need.
That's good because I'm honestly sick of playing this stupid game I just paid for the bot and it's actually more enjoyable to watch it than actually play
Yea @Jagex. You make legitimate players spend their $ on this game and you let such a botting community to exist. I won't be surprised if these bot devs/scripters/whatever they are called is a department within Jagex And Jagex, if you think my last statement is an insult, prove me/us wrong by clamping down hard on such botters. Honestly, a real shame on such an established / nostalgic game
i doubt it, they would have signed a contract which is legally enforceable. It isnt illegal to write a bot script and jagex banning accounts gives you repeat customers and the ability to make higher quality scripts to be sold at a premium.
Bruh… whenever I (rarely) log on these days each world has maximum 100 players online anyway. If they got rid of all the bots, there would be like 10 people playing. Game is officially dead.
it really isnt jagex fault that they havent "dealt" with these bots, people who code work very hard to make these scripts and make them seem as human as possible. 10 years ago, it was simple to detect a botting program, but now they are so elusive it is tough to know 100% someone is a bot. Imagine afk'ing at hets oasis on a new account and being lvl 3 with 99 farming as you play your main, just to be banned for seeming to be a bot. as soon as jagex develops a program to detect botting scripts, after the inital waves of bans, the scripts are revised according to the new bot detection, and the cycle repeats. botters dont care if u ban the bot account, they will just buy a new script for 20$ and be max again in a month w/ zero effort, and can use ge manipulation to "transfer" there gold over to a different mule account. its a pretty impossible situation to handle.
Ifff RS3 had a new quest each month, and a new small thing that was gated by the quest, a new gold mine, a new farming patch for herbs, or you know... thoughtful CONTENT... I suppose botting would be less rewarding. I mean, it's not like many RS achievements are just RNG based counting to 10,000 objects or something.
I know the guy u refering to who made yt series on botting to max. I wrote about him to jagex on reddit but they deleted thread and said i should stop the witch hunt. What a joke.
Mmo botting is a neverending issue, you need to keep updating to be ahead of the bots, and they will do the same This is a money making opportunity for the bot makers even if accounts get banned Doubt jagex has the resources or even willing to do anything about it
imagine using a bot to push buttons and use abilities that plays the game for you, they need a bot to play the game just for the bot to use abilities that plays the game for it xD
Finally somthing I wanted to see!
Sirpugger rarley touches rs3
Is this a new Sirprotoxx
Last time little sirpugger aka William tried stealing credit for my work he found out the hard way what happens, now he avoids rs3 like a good little boy
@@AsentrixYT failed RUclipsr
@@acorgi418 failed abortion
Thankfully
4:39 I can see the reason behind this one being that the intervention machine only disassembles 60 items per hour, the same amount that we can do in a sheer 72 seconds.
Don't forget about the Bots that are doing 2k Zamorak Enrage, there was a streamer couple months back showcasing this. Love the idea of bringing more people in to beware of this type of stuff including selling IFB titles (since around 2017) , Slayer collection logs / clue grinds for HCIM & IM for EOF's / collecting secondary herblore ingredients / ect.
bro gave them free advertisement
Exactly, 12 year old me would have JUMPED on this lol. I'm sure this video made someone go find the bot and use it
The issue is if they deal with the bots the playerbase will halve 😅
I don't think Jagex wants to admit how many bots infest osrs and rs3. I think it's potentially 50%, not sure how to trust posted numbers, add the Bot detector plugin on RL and it's depressing.
Jagex already stated that the bots buy subscriptions/bonds and they are ok with it because it drives revenue.
@@6XburnXyourXfriendsX not really tho, they have stated that they are aware of bots and know how much of the playerbase are bots and even stated percentages and how many are banned each day/month. they cant ban all bots instantly because that would just crash the economy mainly because bots basically sustain the whole playerbase with resources, thats why with every update jagex does some minor coding changes that crashes bots and basically inconvenience them and make them rewrite the script (basically thats the reason why you see so many bots walking in circles and shit or doing something completely random after a game update). the statement you are talking about didnt even come from Jagex themselves and they stated that that statement is just straight up false
Now let's include alt accounts and see what happens 💀
2k vs 100k bot bans weekly…
It's really simple from the Jagex side. People create bot accounts and these accounts need membership - more accounts - more money to Jagex. Simple math....
If they buy with cash. Or it buy bonds with cash.. If it bonds with GPS really not making money
This is exactly why they will never “deal” with fixing botting. Its so very obvious they try to make us think they want them gone when in reality they do not.
@@BookOfMoon1 someone had to pay for the bond with irl cash, so it's still profit for jagex, why do you think they are increasing the price of bonds?
The fact everyone stumbles across if they care but NO ONE wants to accept
Stoner logic i swear. The average player isn't running a botfarm and is just abusing public scripts therefor isn't spending any more than a normal player in terms of membership.
To say Jagex allows the bots to line their pockets shows how little people know about the struggle of the anti-cheat team.
I certainly won't lie: the temptation to bot on my main was, and still is, overwhelming ever since I was an 11-year-old skipping homework and studying to "play" RuneScape (sit at a screen and alch for 5 hours or WC yews in the Gnome Stronghold for just as long). I've come close to downloading Powerbot like a few of my friends in school did, but here's the rub: *everyone* I know IRL who botted, and whether it was their main or an alt, those accounts got *banned.* I am quite literally the *only* person in my *entire* circle of friends (IRL and online) who still has the original account he made when he was a fucking preteen.
That's a SOBERING fucking realisation to have. Imagine all those years of progress flushed down the drain because you were too lazy to git gud.
It's a pretty fucking strong deterrent to an intrepid preteen turned teenager turned adult when you know damn well just how many people got banned for botting, how fucking stupid the shit they got banned for was, and how attached I am to my main from 2007 that I have damn near max stats on after like what, 17 years of playing?
I get the same feeling especially after watching a few botting to max series on youtube. they lasted for quite some time but they were no lifing the bots so im like hey. if i was to bot and keep it reasonable and not run it 24/7 i might get away with it and seems to be more secure in terms of bot detection since the scripts are being ran in the cloud vs injected. kinda like osrs runelite bots have lower ban detection vs injected bots like dreambot etc. That said i never went with it i spent too much time on my main to risk it again since i had a macro ban(major) ~ a decade ago. i forgot what bot it was but i only used it for a few hours and got slammed lol it was bad. that got appealed. too paranoid to even make a new account on a different computer with its own ip and stuff i don't want any potential crosslap at all. so we are staying legit!
just don't be dumb or greedy when botting
@@shotnothing3419 Nah. That's the ultimate folly. RuneScape has a grindy and addictive gameplay loop, the tedium of which actively creates an incentive for botting. Once you mix addictive gameplay loop with black markets, that's where shit can spiral quickly.
Are there people with unaffected accounts who've been botting since the Gower Brothers ran Jagex? I don't doubt the possibility, but I've never once met a "responsible" botter in my entire life.
Yeah, my brother and I each got a 7-day and 14-day ban and immediately quit botting forever. It's been like 12 or 13 years since. 😳😬
Now, have I been tempted to set up a bot running clue scrolls or something on a fresh account from a different IP and then "die" to my main in the wildy while skulled with a 6B hat in my inv? Yes. Definitely. I have still fought off the urge, though.
I saw someone with a zuk cape botting the dg arch update. His bot literally was stuck for hours in the same spot. We all reported him. Literally saw him yesterday. No punishment for anyone.
After Vee's video, I was kinda worried that no content creator was willing to talk about this topic.
This is way over the top and I hope jagex is taking this shit seriously
Jagex has already said bots drive revenue so they are ok with it.
@@6XburnXyourXfriendsXNo one likes bots but they’re honestly needed How many items on the GE would be basically unobtainable or just massively inflated more than it is now? Most bots should be banned but leaving some here and there definitely helps more than it hurts.
@@tylers92 I don't know, I think the "bots keep prices low" argument is a wash; sure, it's true that bots keep things like ores and potions low, but this also means taking those profits away from legitimate players. If those ores, for example, were a decent amount higher, then real players would be far more inclined to actually acquire them through legitimate means.
@@tylers92 this is a cope. without bots the price would go up until players were willing to do it.
@@napoleonsrighthand that’s the problem… most players wouldn’t be willing to gather tedious resources certain resources would sky rocket many of the items on the GE aren’t even correct as is rs3 player count is already low and resources leave the game quick some bots are necessary even if we don’t like them 🤷♂️
*In the current state of RuneScape 3's economy, us botters are seen as a stabilizing factor. We supply a steady flow of resources, keeping the market active and prices stable. This helps balance out the fluctuations in the lack of player activity and the overall demand. While botting has its downsides, and most of you might not like that I partake in botting, it's ultimately US that help maintain the overall stability of the game's economy. Trust me, you would be surprised..*
If by "stabilizing" you mean flooding the market with extra gold and items which causes inflation?
Yeah, get out of here.
@@Eric4bz The steady supply of items from bots actually help prevent extreme price hikes and shortages, making the game more accessible for casual players. Casual players Jagex is desperate for.. While botting isn't a perfect solution and has its downsides, I agree with you. It does contribute to irrefutable market stability. We're always going to be here, moderation is far more profitable to Jagex than elimination.
I can tell they definitely bot busted the blessed sand bots because of the insane price increases of sandstone recently
I was looking for this comment, as I am completely on your side. I'm not a botter myself, I'm just a very averago joe who enjoys to play runescape every now and then.
I don't want to grind picking flax, I want affordable bowstrings on the GE. I think nobody wants to grind picking flax anymore. (Just an example of what you're calling a steady flow of skilling supplies)
I love these kind of videos, exploring things we wouldn't like to explore ourselves but are still interested in
Thanks for letting me know about this discord, I've been looking for a decent bot for quite a while now
The reason you need to disable anticheat is because cheat software interacts with the game in the same way some malware does (using techniques such as code injection or methods to evade detection by the runescape client). It doesn't mean they are doing shady things, and to be honest you don't need to be a genius to write malware that doesn't get detected by AV software anyway.
lol if you think that I have a bridge to sell you. AV is pretty damn good these days and mostly you will exclude stuff for performance based reasons ie might get file locks on network based shares, but a bot client has no reason for this. If a bot client cant operate without it, it is doing something shady, or having the ability to do stuff which is shady
@@checker297 of course it has the *ability* to do something shady. most the shit running on your pc does.
injection + read/write memory + function hooking/calling. all the same things malware uses as well as every cheat ever created barring simple macros/pixel bots.
a bot client cant operate without it because its the core concept of how most bots(or even non bot cheats) except pixel bots work.
i cant tell you how many times ive made a bot/hack for a game and it gets flagged one compile, but not another. particularly defender. defender is awful, constantly flags my own stuff, or stuff that is open source (example: cheat engine) knowing damn well its fine. this is the one that theyre probably wanting you to disable for that exact reason. an actual antimalware/antivirus false flags these types of programs far less then defender.
@@checker297 No, AV will frequently block software based on heuristics which include age, how common software is and what API calls it does. A lot of cheat software is also obfuscated to prevent people from cracking it or to prevent anti-cheat creators from learning how it works, which has a very high false-positive rate with AVs. I've seen it block legitimate software plenty of times, including my own stuff as I compile it.
yeah, i watched furyshark's vids too with a morbid fascination. as clearly you did aswell ;). at this point i sadly don't think the game would look anything like it currently does without bots, since i don't see that many players doing all the menial tasks that bots are currently doing (those sorts of people are already playing ironman mode anyway). but who knows, i could be wrong.
noice
I enjoy just messing around on my main with mid level supplies and made good money. Think like lvl70-80 items you can craft, also just straight up god wars dungeon.
Pretty sure Jagex came out and said that they don't care if you bot to an extent. This was the statement I'm referring to.
"The main focus within the game is to make sure the excesses of bots are policed and managed. Flagged accounts are managed out of the game, and
therefore what is left inside the game is a sort of equilibrium of players and bots... if I have [three accounts] there's a good chance that one of them is me and two accounts are bots... If a player is sufficiently committed to pay for three accounts, and have an account and two bots as part of its ecosystem, then so be it."
Yes they ban bots, mostly bot armies. Not really targeting some guy doing crafting in portables world just trying to get 120. I can't even count how many bots I've seen in Ascension Dungeon with 200m range-def-hp. Those guys run forever. Imagine the price of keys if bots aren't there to farm them
I used to bot when I was younger, never to the extent some people do. However, as I got older I noticed I'd quit playing for a long time quickly after using bots. This was because I was taking the fun out of the game. There's no sense of reward if you achieve a goal through botting, so it actually damages your experience as a player. What really solidified this belief for me was when I made my ironman at the mining/smithing rework. And if you gave a brand new player an account with a comp cape, they wouldn't know what to do or understand the time/effort it took to get there. Unfortunately, it's impossible for Jagex to get rid of all bots. Botting basically just turns any game into an idle game.
I botted during rs2 days (I was part of the train going from the Karamaja fishing to the noter) Now the bots that do work are so much more powerful.
I didn't know people even botted RS3 at all when everything is already so automated as it is. Really pathetic.
I completely agree. Just today, I stumbled upon a RUclipsr named MN Phantom doing a botting to max series. Maybe you could pass that info along. Thanks for the video!
*Lmao... 69% of RUNESCAPE's player base is made up of bots.* 🤫
If Jagex really wanted them gone, they would have "done something."
But in reality, Jagex needs them...
Bots allow the owner to farm items,
Items = $$$
$$$ in-game being sold to RWT sites,
Sellers sell GP,
Players buy GP,
Jagex "catches/ bans" buyers,
While the merchants get richer by manipulating items & prices,
The economy is then "stabilised,"
And the cycle repeats.
Merchants are happy,
Jagex is happy.
Thank You.
~ the end ~
*_Source : Thrust me bro_*
ty 4 video, great information and hopefully jagex takes actions soon. Maybe make a video about how it is getting popular to see multiple accounts in game like 6-12 alts all moving or activating anything at the same time with ONE click. Seen this start with one player and now there are like 5 players and jagex should stop this before more players decide to join in and brake game rules.
As much money as Ive spent on RS3 I should be allowed to bot whenever I fucking want lol.
I regularly report someone who is botting in divination but nothing ever happens. You can clearly tell the account is botting. Jagex hasn't done anything about it.
btw, you missed one name in the video, since you're covering all, why leave one? What should i do about it?
Shiiittt!!
I did not think botting was anywhere near as high as this video showed.
I'm strictly an ironman, so the economy doesnt affect me with all these bot drops, however it is still upsetting to see this game version being heavily botted as well =/
Biggest question is, will Jagex even do anything about this?
Nah , they need more numbers on their servers to sell the company..
It's easy
Dont mind bots. People have jobs and this game already takes a lifetime to master.
Glad to see you talk about it. Just scoped out a ton on W34 picking up hammers at lumby forge 😂
Hammers have a use and turn into 20ish k coins each. The buy limit is low on them.
@@oakforgeminiatures7862 Good to know
whats the point? u can buy xp might as well bot.
Jagex makes money when you buy XP. Bottling doesn’t do that.
You dropped your dunce cap
And idc if they'll try to extract most profit from me I'll do the same from them.
Honestly... without bots. Shit would be prohibitively expensive. Jagex has balance drops around bots and alts and it fucking sucks for normal players. I'm an ironlike player and the amount of grinding I have to do is utterly insane. Yes, I chose to play like this, but also I have enough money to just buy everything I want... then what? Progression is what makes the game fun, but some of the grinds needed to progress need to be looked at
That's why people complain about bots, they want to be able to get billions from every drop in the game and bots keep prices down. What I find funny is people complain about bots while they're using Simple macro's to play the game. 😂
Bots are needed to maintain rs3 economy and there aint a thing jagex can do about it tbh...
Who do you think makes supplies cheap?
Its that or jagex directly selling items
Although ofc they make bonds prices high due to demand, which is bad...
I used to have a botfarm a few years ago(50-60 accs), just realised its more worth my time actually working and buying bonds to fund my main anyway...
I do not know which software they are selling/negotiating in particular in rs3 and what im saying is from experience on 2018-2021 id say. Things might have changed, couldnt tell but from what Ive seen in the video its almost the same as it was back then
Before I watch the video I wanted to say... thanks!
I was a botter in my early teen years (more than 10 years ago!) and I lost a lot of accounts.
I made some 'cool woodcutting bot accounts' and was happy until I felt that it didn't really feel like an achievement.
Bots are ruining the game currency, selling accounts and hacking people..... do not encourage or support any of those people! It's not worth it and Jagex didn't make the game to be botted.
And to disclaim.... I never botted in RS3, nor will I ever bot in the future. Just playing the game casually on a daily basis. It's cool as it is 🙂
thank you protoxx, i hadnt know this was a thing. now i can maximize my gains!!
😂😂😂
Appreciate the shoutout. But do you really have to mention how botting is so immoral and huge sin, meanwhile rs3 shoves these stupid micro transactions up your ass constantly. They literally sell gold with bonds, so in the case of rs3 no it's not immoral and they lost all rights to cry about RWT they you so blatantly do it themselves. Thanks.
Damn Jagex needs to launch bot buster 2.0.
Would like to see more bot content!
Botting is reasonable in a world where jagex sells exp.
Runescape was a great experience, but it became jagex cashcow.
I can't blame players for trying to skip the artificial grind jagex imposes.
Grinding nowadays sounds like "poor people time tax", unlike before wheel of fortune.
Just don't play at that point?
@@DrowsyYo OR they can contruct their own moral argument, play how they want, and engage with friends over elements of the game OTHER than the poor people time tax.
It's almost like there are more reasons than whatever your reason is to play the game.
I botted on my main account several times in the last 10 years, I can confirm I wasn't banned "today or tomorrow"
Bond prices are seriously outrageous nowadays. I’m someone who has a job and a social life, meaning I’ll usually play like 1 or maybe 2 hours in a day, and probably not every day. I can’t justify spending 140m on a single bond for membership anymore, if all I’m going to ever do in my few hours of playtime is just making gp back to finance the bond.
And I can’t justify spending real life money on it either because I’m really just not getting a lot of playtime out of it.
I’m deciding to take a lengthy break from the game because of this.
Wtf is even that argument lol. You either spent IRL money because you can afford it or grind ingame to upkeep your membership. Do you expect to play for free or wtf?
Same boat friend. I'd love to play, but whether you are spending your time or money, it is such a horrible return for your investment it isn't worth it anymore.
I pay for members with my osrs account.Have a pretty decent bank there.
@@versi0nCF I’ve always been able to grind for it, I’ve been playing this game for 20 years. But it just isn’t a sustainable way to play the game anymore.
@@steelblood4116 that’s exactly it.
The investment, money or gp, is just no longer justifiable if you’re not consistently playing multiple hours a day.
Well at least it's not as bad as old school while you can find bots in rs3 they are not so common as in old school where you can't find place without them
i seen a guy botting rasiel on 4 accs with 4 blue phats and max gear/stats. Just sad and makes me wanna leave this game where devs clearly dont care about botting and our achivements.
*all bots are banned/problem fixed*
*RS3 economy crashes and prices for things like feathers skyrockets*
It would stabilise over time
Totally gobsmacked. Thanks for putting it all together, hope they do something about it.
Yooo!! Protoxx is on his SirPugger arc! 😆👍🏻
Still less bots then OSRS.
With the overlays and clients, even the players are just manual entry bots, responding to the overlay and not the game.
Brain dead
@@yt.personal.identification huh? RS3 has 90% less overlays then osrs?
@@northlyte The comment referred to OSRS - I expanded it by saying that even the legit players operate like bots on OSRS.
@@yt.personal.identification oh that makes way more sense. yeah i agree with you
He's not advertising it he's just specifically stating is that this is how easy it is to bot. I've been playing for 22 years and I still remember having to fight over coal because of botters it takes so much away from the game when I can't compete with people because they have a program that's better than me as a human because they're mining level is fake while mine actually was real work
its still advertisment, and it works cause the discords for both public bots have gotten more people.
also bots dont affect your achievements in the slightest. why do you care about your level vs theirs? play for yourself, not others.
Hey thanks so much for this! I will start using these now to maximize my gains. Haters going to hate. But they can go cry somewhere else.
their discord server: "Protoxx has arived! say hi!"
Hahaha I used an alt account :)
Didn't want to be spotted
@@ProtoxxGaming Honestly the discord would've welcomed you. Looks like they have had a crazy amount of people join since you posted this.
@@James-u2s We found our fat neckbeard botter
@@jmel1000 when you work 50 hours a week and have a family with little kids. Let me know how much extra time you have to play rs3. I much rather have a bot take care of the skills that suck why I hang out with my family🤷🏼 shame on me
@@James-u2s I work 15hour days mostly 6 out of the 7 days and still have time to enjoy runescape have a maxed account and still able to find time to enjoy the Cinema, Dinner outings and gaming. Guess you're the problem.
Watching Protoxx videos make me happy I stopped playing RS3
So, there are literal bots for everything, and bots that are getting maxed without getting caught, and there are people regularly getting falsed bans? This is a bad look for Jagex when their customer support for these things is non existent *twitter cough cough*. Wild that this can go on like this.
thers bots with 200m all botting has and always been in the game
Theres bots blatantly botting 200m skills @ max guild that haven't been banned for years, they get reported daily too
1:30 usually because injecting code into processes is getting flagged by AVs, because malware does the exact same thing, no point in botting though as skilling macros made with drivers like icue wont get you caught either way.
no macro is gonna kill zammy though. need an actual bot for that.
This is why i started a hardcore iron and have just been enjoying the game as its meant to be.
The unfortunate truth is that bots make Jagex money, so getting rid of them isn't in their best financial interest. However as most likely use bonds for membership, there is an argument that they are not making as much money off from them because that is less membership fees in their pockets and if in game bond prices are high, they sell less bonds too as players need to buy less to get to their GP goals
Thank you for shedding light on this very important topic. If we want the game that we all love to still be enjoyable this botting needs to be stopped in its tracks
not really, stopping bots completely is arguably impossible, even kernel level anticheat systems cant catch all bots and the more accounts you ban the more false bans there will be, so you just swap one problem with another one
@@mafas1480 so Jagex should do nothing then lol?
@@stevetrevor7004 no, they should keep doing what they are doing at the moment, keep collecting data and make the process more precise and that's literally what they are doing, the amount of bots that get banned everyday is honestly kind of insane. At the end of the day bots will always be a part of MMORPG games, there isn't much you can't do to prevent them from existing all together
I think Jagex should provide an additional automation skill in the game that can compete with these bots in some capacities. Or more afk ways to gather these resources without it being just a grind/time tax.
If someone wants to have a machine supply the GE with resources nobody gives a shit to collect anymore then I'm fine with it. Makes it easier for me to get the supplies I want.
I think boss botting is excessive, I get that the goal is farming for gold/rwt. I'm fine if that stays against the rules. But I am curious how GE equipment prices would change if boss afking was more accessible.
But the economy already lacks so many items in the GE having a regular supply, and if we can't get new players to help build that supply then let the bots do it so I can get my supplies when I'm playing rather than having to wait for it to settle overnight.
It's amazing that my 11 figure total wealth on RS3 is worth less than $200 on the rwt market.
Jagex doesn't have a good anti-bot. Its bad, and, if you paid attention, it was often fake with JMOD(s) IRL trading
I refuse to be a bot.
Same. This alt is over 19 years old with 0 black marks, bans, or mutes.
@@oakforgeminiatures7862 I'd rather fight Zamorak with negative accuracy than be a bot.
@@oakforgeminiatures7862prime for the selling
When I was going for max cape I was so happy to see only few bots. Now as I am going for master max I sometimes wish more bots to drop prices. I have only 4 skills left to master max so after that I might change my mind again ;D
I would never bot but i do see it from an economic stand point, that ultimately they benefit the market by saturating it with more items, keep prices for things no one wants to farm down.
I will never understand the motivation between wanting to bot. Do these people just not like engaging with the game? I thought the nature of the game was quite literally grinding out bosses and skills for the love of the game.
Jagex finally did it. All we had of "good" on RS3 was the lack of bots that they have in abundance in OSRS. but then... no. we don't even have that!
You're several years too late about that
I used bot for many years, I used all avaiable bots and I've lost many accounts... today I find out its waste of time to start from begining every ban xD I've been clean for 2 years... Today I just put some Weight in my keyboard so that I dont get lougout for idle and my character can do some afk like mining, thieving etc for a while more... xD
Just to be clear, Im nor proud of it, and I really dont recommend anybody to use bots/macros, because Im sure you will have your account banned and become unmotivated... I play this game since I was 11, now im 30 and you know, sometimes we dont have much time and greed ends up speaking louder.... but not worth it to bot guys...
lmao what did yall think happened in this game? how many times when you are around other playing skilling or killing do they interact at all? this is why the game feels empty all the time even when you are surrounded by many players. it's just a big bot farm
I know a guy who used python to make easy scripts to max his account, then he stopped botting once he was 99 in everything and just played. Found it odd. Getting 99's was my pride and joy back then and it's easier than ever
same reason games like wow/ffxiv etc have level/storyline skips.
theres no legit way to do that (other than spending thousands, pretty sure it hits 5 figures).
rs3 is pvm, people want to get straight into pvm. and the satisfaction from gaining levels mean far less to people in rs3 thanks to amped up rates and the obvious treasure hunter. even ironman isnt really as satisfying as it used to be with how crazy exp gain has gotten.
@@painnmisery2582 Bet you we will see a 1-99 skip token in the future of Rs3
No wonder why everything has the price it has nowadays... Those prices need to drop.
Yeah, we need more bots so prices go down. Good thing protox is advertising their services
@@incongruous4 thats the funny part, since the reddit post and this video the discords been flooded lol.
So u can cheat or still get a banned for this one too using it? ¿
The game with 15,000 concurrent players cannot afford to ban people
oh wow a discord for this? seems legit. thanks man for showing us. imma look it up now 👍 see you there
Oh so that's why osrs and rs3 bonds are through the roof.
I think botting is fun when you make bots for yourself.
thanks for the suggestion protox im heading over to the discord now! cheers and gl!
Theres nothing for them to do. Cause the botts arent running or editting RuneScape game. The bots know there to clock. Only way for them to detect you is someone reporting you and them monitoring you.
wild and brazen. Hopefully Jagex does something about this. I've played since the original bot nuke. I don't want to see RS3 get back to those levels.
nooo now Jagex has to lie more about the player count
I made a lego stopmotion with a jad minifigure
Very good bot advertisment , are you on payroll ?
Did you miss the massive disclaimer at the start?
You’re not very intelligent, are you
@@JGB_Wentworth I missed the joke :(
He did for "entertainment purposes" in that case he's promoting it for free lol but also making $$ from the video.
Respect for admitting u missed the joke lol @@ProtoxxGaming
meanwhile OSRS : everything is on fire but it's okay ... everything will be OKAY!
There are so many bot channels in my feed and I have never even watched a single bot video.
Until now?
@@ProtoxxGaming This, and Sir Pugger.
I don't even play OSRS but he is just fun to watch
jagex allowing well knowing streamers to use pvm macros also just reforce that "bot is allowed" for those ones that aim easy way to get better than normal tryhard players
I'm not sure if you realize or not but making this video just put a spotlight on the botting website.. you showed the script names, I simply googled ************ (script name) and the whole website popped up... So yeah it's good to bring light to this but do it in a way that doesn't advertise their website... I'm not a botter but if I were you just set me up with everything I'd need.
That's good because I'm honestly sick of playing this stupid game I just paid for the bot and it's actually more enjoyable to watch it than actually play
Yea @Jagex. You make legitimate players spend their $ on this game and you let such a botting community to exist. I won't be surprised if these bot devs/scripters/whatever they are called is a department within Jagex
And Jagex, if you think my last statement is an insult, prove me/us wrong by clamping down hard on such botters. Honestly, a real shame on such an established / nostalgic game
Someone must put a stop to this injustice.
I would not be surprised if a current or former Jagex mod is the one behind these servers.
i doubt it, they would have signed a contract which is legally enforceable. It isnt illegal to write a bot script and jagex banning accounts gives you repeat customers and the ability to make higher quality scripts to be sold at a premium.
Bruh… whenever I (rarely) log on these days each world has maximum 100 players online anyway. If they got rid of all the bots, there would be like 10 people playing. Game is officially dead.
sometimes they will not ban bots till they xfur there gold/sell
it really isnt jagex fault that they havent "dealt" with these bots, people who code work very hard to make these scripts and make them seem as human as possible.
10 years ago, it was simple to detect a botting program, but now they are so elusive it is tough to know 100% someone is a bot.
Imagine afk'ing at hets oasis on a new account and being lvl 3 with 99 farming as you play your main, just to be banned for seeming to be a bot.
as soon as jagex develops a program to detect botting scripts, after the inital waves of bans, the scripts are revised according to the new bot detection, and the cycle repeats.
botters dont care if u ban the bot account, they will just buy a new script for 20$ and be max again in a month w/ zero effort, and can use ge manipulation to "transfer" there gold over to a different mule account.
its a pretty impossible situation to handle.
Ifff RS3 had a new quest each month, and a new small thing that was gated by the quest, a new gold mine, a new farming patch for herbs, or you know... thoughtful CONTENT... I suppose botting would be less rewarding. I mean, it's not like many RS achievements are just RNG based counting to 10,000 objects or something.
Cheating for RMT is what has ruined tarkov. Hopefully it doesnt do the same to RS3
I mean there are literal botting progress series on youtube 😅
Let's hope that this video, along with the recent Reddit post highlighting this issue, is enough to get Jagex to start doing something about this.
the devs don't care about the players why would you expect the players to care about the game.
I know the guy u refering to who made yt series on botting to max. I wrote about him to jagex on reddit but they deleted thread and said i should stop the witch hunt. What a joke.
Iirc witch hunt is against the subreddit rules, thats why :/
Happy to provide tbe bot creator/owners IRL info to Jagex if they want it, I have everything, SSN, addresses, phones, you name it.
Why are you suprised that, runescape, the game that had bots for 20 years, still has a botting community
Mmo botting is a neverending issue, you need to keep updating to be ahead of the bots, and they will do the same
This is a money making opportunity for the bot makers even if accounts get banned
Doubt jagex has the resources or even willing to do anything about it
Wisdom is greater than knowledge.
I was ready for perma ban and shutting down the server… altho… zemmy and vork bot.. suddenly it doesn’t seem so bad after all.
imagine using a bot to push buttons and use abilities that plays the game for you, they need a bot to play the game just for the bot to use abilities that plays the game for it xD
bot makers will always be more skilled than corporate greed!
They have esp and bots for literally every game now it’s sad
Future of MMORPGs is AI bots replacing players for better gameplay experiences.