One of the main selling points for this case for me is the size of 20l. The original Lian Li DAN Cases A3-mATX was supposed to be much smaller in volume. So the Z20 seems to be the only mainstream option for a mATX case with 240mm AiO support.
Its only 2L bigger than the nr200p, making it a decently low profile system, but without all the itx tax making it insanely good price to performance. Not to mention the design awesome
@@hotwings6918 yeah i watched others doing small builds, and did see the struggles to fit some things many times. When i started to look for my own build i was shocked about how limited in components you are when you go sfx and itx. Also itx boards are expensive and most have fewer features because they ran out of space on the pcb. So i abandoned small builds and buid in a big case with uATX board and full ATX psu. And later i found this case and just moved my stuff from the big case to this small one. I also aircool because hey those dual towers do the job are cheaper and live longer then any aio.
the awkward part is putting a tempered glass on a case designed to be moved often. It should have came with an alternative solid side panel (steel, aluminum or acrylic).
I wonder about that. My guess is that their real intend is that the computer be reasonably easy to move sometimes because you're right, it's nonsensical to have thin sheets of edge to edge tempered glass on a desktop made to be hauled around.
I think the glass side would look a lot better if I had used RGB components. That's the nature of the glass panels. They really do just look reflective and bad without a light from the inside.
I just ordered the Black and Orange version of this case. The reason i did choose this case is because i wanted something smaller but still easy to build for someone who never build small form factor. I also have the hardware already so what i have has to fit. I do not want to go to ITX motherboard and SFX power supply, but keep uATX motherboard and ATX PSU. I had these wishes not only because i already have that hardware now, but i looked up how much choice you have for each size and what you pay for what you get. My conclusion is that ITX is very limited in featureset and choice of motherboards and you pay a premium for the boards. The choice for SFX is also smaller that ATX psu and also there is a price difference. I rather have something that i have wide choice of components when i upgrade the components in this case a few years from now. I also like to put more of my budget to get more performance then putting it in getting smaller then this case is. Looked at several video's of builds in this case and they all seem to be easy to build and no problems with getting everything in very neatly. I have good confidence that when it arrives my build will be easy.
@@ChillBuilds the delivery from Caseking took some time but yes i did get it. The build was indeed as easy as i imagined. I started completely without the manual, and fixed the PSU with the screws that came with the Seasonic i had. I remounted it later with the screws that come with the case. That was the only thing i did redo, as the screws that come with the case do not make scratches and are just better. I did build it with a 12cm dual tower air cooler. There are tables in the manual that tell you what combinations fit in the case as you can move many components. Also packaging is very nice inside the box they used some black extreme durable foam blocks and instead of a plastic bag they wrapped it in a cloth like bag. The accesoiry kit is in its own box with full foam insert and plastic box for screws. I am very happy with the build.
@@MrArrakis9 yeah. The budget does not have new equipment in it right now though. You're right about the jello effect. I thought it was funny in the one clip outdoors so I left it in. Thanks for the comment.
No they are not, the glass goes over some bushings that cannot be moved. However i do not understand why you want the sides swapped as the other panel does not give that much ventilation. All real ventilation comes from front, back, top and bottom. Where top and bottom is ventilated fully and front and back partial. The perforation in the side panel is more show then usefull. If you do custom extreme heatsink internal then the massive area at the top and bottom should be enough and work as a chimny. I used a Seasonic Prime platinum PSU myself that intakes from the front and exhousts at the top. These PSU have a switch that turn the fan off unless the PSU gets hot. As it intakes from outside in this case it did not turn on yet. It did turn on in my old case when it sucked warm air from inside. So that might be a tip.
I haven't tried it, so this is just a guess: I think it would be easier to have a little extra cable slack, but worse if you have a gigantic GPU. You have to make sure both would fit together. Some combinations of large GPU and ATX PSU are incompatible.
I have a 17cm Seasonic Prime platinum full ATX in mine. It all depends on how long your full ATX is and if you use a 240mm aio or dual tower air cooler. Because that means different mounting points. But any GPU up to 280mm will not cause issues at all with anything else you use. I went for dual tower air cooler, as that is enough for any CPU within my budget anyway. And they never leak the pump does not wear out and wont grow me new lifeforms in the loop. Air cooling in this case gives the most room for other components to be big.
I have a similar 21l case (tecware fusion) and the whole build weighs a lot despite it's size. You'd need both hands to lift and carry it without the handle. I'm thinking at least 10 kilos. Although it does fit inside a carry on suitcase.
@@Publixx but if it’s $100 in your country, u might as well get Fractal or Lianli, this one despite the slick design and solid workmanship, is still a Chinese Brand.
@@happybuggy1582 Yeah just saw it for around $82 after digging around. Well most cases are already from china, and I see that it’s pretty well built. I wanted the lian li one as well but it’s an extra $30 for the tempered glass. $90 total.
One of the main selling points for this case for me is the size of 20l. The original Lian Li DAN Cases A3-mATX was supposed to be much smaller in volume. So the Z20 seems to be the only mainstream option for a mATX case with 240mm AiO support.
Its only 2L bigger than the nr200p, making it a decently low profile system, but without all the itx tax making it insanely good price to performance.
Not to mention the design awesome
@@hotwings6918 yep. itx pricing is crazy. So this is one really good option for people who want small but normal prices
@@hotwings6918 yeah i watched others doing small builds, and did see the struggles to fit some things many times. When i started to look for my own build i was shocked about how limited in components you are when you go sfx and itx. Also itx boards are expensive and most have fewer features because they ran out of space on the pcb. So i abandoned small builds and buid in a big case with uATX board and full ATX psu. And later i found this case and just moved my stuff from the big case to this small one. I also aircool because hey those dual towers do the job are cheaper and live longer then any aio.
A nice alternative to the deepcool ch160.
Yeah. The CH160 seemed perfect until I learned about its low build quality with thin metal.
@@user-eu5ol7mx8y it's also now illegal to be sold in the us
the awkward part is putting a tempered glass on a case designed to be moved often. It should have came with an alternative solid side panel (steel, aluminum or acrylic).
I wonder about that. My guess is that their real intend is that the computer be reasonably easy to move sometimes because you're right, it's nonsensical to have thin sheets of edge to edge tempered glass on a desktop made to be hauled around.
It looks way better with perforated side panel instead of glass!
I think the glass side would look a lot better if I had used RGB components. That's the nature of the glass panels. They really do just look reflective and bad without a light from the inside.
I just ordered the Black and Orange version of this case. The reason i did choose this case is because i wanted something smaller but still easy to build for someone who never build small form factor. I also have the hardware already so what i have has to fit. I do not want to go to ITX motherboard and SFX power supply, but keep uATX motherboard and ATX PSU. I had these wishes not only because i already have that hardware now, but i looked up how much choice you have for each size and what you pay for what you get. My conclusion is that ITX is very limited in featureset and choice of motherboards and you pay a premium for the boards. The choice for SFX is also smaller that ATX psu and also there is a price difference. I rather have something that i have wide choice of components when i upgrade the components in this case a few years from now. I also like to put more of my budget to get more performance then putting it in getting smaller then this case is. Looked at several video's of builds in this case and they all seem to be easy to build and no problems with getting everything in very neatly. I have good confidence that when it arrives my build will be easy.
Did you get it? How did it go?
@@ChillBuilds the delivery from Caseking took some time but yes i did get it. The build was indeed as easy as i imagined. I started completely without the manual, and fixed the PSU with the screws that came with the Seasonic i had. I remounted it later with the screws that come with the case. That was the only thing i did redo, as the screws that come with the case do not make scratches and are just better. I did build it with a 12cm dual tower air cooler. There are tables in the manual that tell you what combinations fit in the case as you can move many components. Also packaging is very nice inside the box they used some black extreme durable foam blocks and instead of a plastic bag they wrapped it in a cloth like bag. The accesoiry kit is in its own box with full foam insert and plastic box for screws. I am very happy with the build.
I need the thumbscrews, those push fittings basically give my kids a free peice of glass
lol. Ok. I understand your point.
good ch160 alternative for those in the USA lol.
Good alternative for those in Europe. Ch160 is nowhere to be found over here. 😢
Ok, I found it in Germany.
nice review, you should consider turning off image stabilization and use a gimble or tripod - it will remove that jello effect in your b-role
@@MrArrakis9 yeah. The budget does not have new equipment in it right now though. You're right about the jello effect. I thought it was funny in the one clip outdoors so I left it in. Thanks for the comment.
@@ChillBuilds Are you by any chance using the Sony ZV-E10? if yes, use sony catalyst browse to stabilize your videos for free.
Are the two side panels interchangeable? I'm thinking of building a passively cooled build in this, and don't want the glass for the main side panel.
No they are not, the glass goes over some bushings that cannot be moved. However i do not understand why you want the sides swapped as the other panel does not give that much ventilation. All real ventilation comes from front, back, top and bottom. Where top and bottom is ventilated fully and front and back partial. The perforation in the side panel is more show then usefull. If you do custom extreme heatsink internal then the massive area at the top and bottom should be enough and work as a chimny. I used a Seasonic Prime platinum PSU myself that intakes from the front and exhousts at the top. These PSU have a switch that turn the fan off unless the PSU gets hot. As it intakes from outside in this case it did not turn on yet. It did turn on in my old case when it sucked warm air from inside. So that might be a tip.
Love the honesty in the review. Would you say that using an ATX power supply would make cable managing a lot harder?
I haven't tried it, so this is just a guess: I think it would be easier to have a little extra cable slack, but worse if you have a gigantic GPU. You have to make sure both would fit together. Some combinations of large GPU and ATX PSU are incompatible.
@ChillBuilds it would be either an arc a770 or red devil rx 5700xt but I'll be trying it. I live near a microcenter if I need to run and grab an sfx
I have a 17cm Seasonic Prime platinum full ATX in mine. It all depends on how long your full ATX is and if you use a 240mm aio or dual tower air cooler. Because that means different mounting points. But any GPU up to 280mm will not cause issues at all with anything else you use. I went for dual tower air cooler, as that is enough for any CPU within my budget anyway. And they never leak the pump does not wear out and wont grow me new lifeforms in the loop. Air cooling in this case gives the most room for other components to be big.
can I fit 280mm gpu and 240mm radiator at top? with ATX powersupply?
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this looks like a great case but the cheapest i can get it online is 88USD. Some are selling it for 130 to 148USD
Hi, could be a strange question but how much does the full build weigh? Great video btw!
I have a similar 21l case (tecware fusion) and the whole build weighs a lot despite it's size. You'd need both hands to lift and carry it without the handle. I'm thinking at least 10 kilos. Although it does fit inside a carry on suitcase.
@@diysai appreciate this brother
Where does the psu power cable go?
I would get this if it had a mesh rather than a glass side panel.
@@OuijTube mesh on both sides would have been a great option.
@@ChillBuilds mesh panel is available as an add-on for 59 RMB
would I be able to use the suzo happo momentary switch with this?
No idea. I don't bother with those types of things, typically.
@@ChillBuilds fair.
Do you know if this case would fit a 304mm gpu + a 170 mm psu?
@@MikeTheFeng the best thing to do is check the manufacturer's page to see.
@@ChillBuilds Will do, thanks for the quick reply!
Good alternative for the Ch160 now that Deepcool is banned
Think I should dump my CH160 and skip the video? Brand new in box! LOL
@@ChillBuilds i was thinking the same! the mitx mobo is sooo expensive!
how is your fan setup?
Pretty nice.
@@ChillBuilds I meant exhaust and intake?
using the galax 4080 super in this. the ports [hdmi, dp] has clearance issues. any suggestions to avoid this issue?
What exactly do you mean when you say the ports have clearance issues? Please explain with specific details.
got a legit one for only $55. guess i was lucky hehe
@@wonkyl596 where did you get that deal?
It’s 60 dollar now
On where? Been looking for it, all are $100 and up.
@@Publixx Hong Kong
@@Publixx they also got the orange black version, and pink white version, for 10USD more.
@@Publixx but if it’s $100 in your country, u might as well get Fractal or Lianli, this one despite the slick design and solid workmanship, is still a Chinese Brand.
@@happybuggy1582 Yeah just saw it for around $82 after digging around. Well most cases are already from china, and I see that it’s pretty well built. I wanted the lian li one as well but it’s an extra $30 for the tempered glass. $90 total.