Trail Braking Explained | Braking Mid-Corner
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Today we’re going to talk about trail braking and braking mid-corner in general, for a street riding. How is Trail Braking different from Braking Mid-corner, what are the benefits of this techniques, what are the drawbacks, how to do it properly and why every good rider should learn how to trail brake. Motorcycle Trail Braking Explained: with examples and exercises!
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A little info about me. My name is Andrei Bodrov, originally I'm from Moscow, Russia, and now I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Back in Moscow I was a motorcycle instructor and creator of Moto Control Beginner & Advanced motorcycle rider courses, which quickly became the most popular courses in Moscow (well, at least the advanced one😁). My advanced training course makes emphasis on slow speed riding techniques at first (such as good clutch and throttle control, proper riding posture, proper use of vision, etc.), then proceeds to more advanced techniques (such as aggressive braking, trail braking, maximal lean angle). The course incorporates a lot of exercises from DOSAF slow speed riding (similar to police rodeo like motorcycle training in USA), braking and cornering exercises and motogymkhana style riding. And now, since I actively learn English - I decided to post some useful videos for both your and mine practice!😉
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Since everyone writes this, it's necessary, I suppose 🤷, so here we go. Disclaimer: Ride at your own risk, you are responsible for your own safety. Me, Andrey Bodrov and my channel, Moto Control disclaim any liability incurred in connection with the use of riding techniques from this channel. Use common sense, wear full protective gear and ride in a safe and predictable manner!
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I've watched many trail braking videos and never understood what many youtubers were describing. Your video is very clear, and you describe trail braking in all aspects making it easier to understand for beginners. Thank you very much.
I hope i found hindi version😢
Hey Russian guy, this is American guy. I love what you are doing on yt!
I tell my kids who ride on the street to watch your vids & practice!
They don't want to listen to me!!!
I recently found this channel and the other one I watch is MotoJitsu both are Very Informative..
@@danw.3291 same here. I started riding 60 years ago. My daughter & her husband are new to riding. We did a lot of Moto Jitsu's drills in a parking lot. Even this old fart found out he wasn't as pro as he thought!!!
Dan Dan the Fireman does some good work too.
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Canyon Chasers is also phenomenal. I like Kevin at MCrider, Dave at Canyon Chasers, and Moto Control. Those are my top three. I don't typically watch anyone else except for the motor officer trainers. Ride safe, ride well, and ride often!
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Excellent description of trail braking. Thank you, Andrei. As a loyal subscriber who's always found you to be the best on YT at explaining techniques so succinctly, it's no surprise you've done the same with trail braking. Too many RUclipsrs are longwinded their attempts to describe it, and the concept gets lost in translation. Plus, you're always on-point in your comedic timing! 😃
Thanks😁
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Yes! this channel is like heavy cream - and tasty (with humor) and all the nutrients in two sips instead of two glasses of tasteless milk.
I had a very high expectation on your trailbraking video. You just blew my mind….Astounding quality!!! More than perfect!!!
@Moto Control Hi Andrey, I think this video is as good as always. Thank you for that! However, may I know what's your opinion about "Rev Matching"? Would you please make a video to talk about it?
Hi! Yes, I'm planning to do a video about rev matching!
This is such good instruction/background. This channel should be much bigger.
I love this channel. Keep up the good work! The two most valuable lessons for street riding I've learned on track courses are trail breaking and relaxing my body :)
Hey buddy , I truly appreciate your practical training method. On trail braking , my biggest dilemma is how to maintain speed while I am braking since my natural handlebar posture is split fingers hence when I squeeze the front brake with 2 fingers the posture automatically rolls off the throttle which slows me down significantly in corners while attempting trail braking. Can you please help me correctly apply trail braking with the split fingers braking posture.
I didn't know i've been trail braking this whole time already until I watched this. I only stopped doing it for a while when it sent me on a high side, but apart from that, I really thought it's just a fundamental basic that comes from learning how to ride since day-one. Thank you for explaining all of this.
A really great explanation of trail braking!
As you mentioned it is useful for decreasing radius turns. There are two other techniques that may be used with decreasing radius turns. Late apex and progressive turning. If you try to fit a circular arc (constant radius) into a decreasing radius turn, you will move the apex a bit towards the end of the turn. Often you can't just use late apex alone. It geometrically can't be done. You need either trail braking or progressive turning. Progressive turning. Because the radius decreases. you would run off the inside of the turn if you went to maximum lean angle immediately. This is the tip off for progressive leaning So, you lean moderately where the radius is bigger and lean harder where the radius is smaller. The good news: you can use trail braking, late apex and progressive leaning alone or in any combination.
Very cool guy. I wish he would teach lessons in person.
Trail braking always felt natural to me, I was doing it before I knew it was a thing. It also comes in handy while lane splitting in stand still traffic.
Trail braking with the rear in that latter case.
Great informative video as usual
i use rear brake for trail braking.. because my bike has a CBS braking system, where using rear brake also activates front brake, however, it's tuned to apply equal pressure on both brakes. so, no sudden fork dive even if you brake a little too hard on corners..
Did I just got baited thinking it’s an Underboned bike
There is one thing that’s always missing when somebody tries to teach others trail braking: the throttle. Some people keep the throttle a little bit open during the trail braking, others close it completely. I was told that I shouldn’t give my bike two contrary inputs (throttle makes your bike geometry longer, and increases the cornering radius while break does the opposite). Also it’s super important to practice being smooth not only on the throttle but on the brakes as well. Just like with the clutch - do not release the lever too abruptly, otherwise you will make the suspension very upset 😅
On some bikes the engine braking is very strong, and when you start opening the throttle the bike jorks. This can be fixed by leaving a minimal amount of throttle open during braking in the corner. Or the easier way is to remap the ECU so that it doesn't cut the fuel so much when the throttle is closed, but that is not free.
@@Ringer1982 that makes sense. My concern is that in the mentioned “wheel of grip” braking and acceleration are on the opposite sides. It sounds like trying to turn left and right at the same time…
@@ItIsMyRide not braking and accelerating at the same time of course. I meant 1% of throttle open stadily. During idle the bike has some forward momentum and usually high cc bikes will be rolling forward when the throttle is closed. For sport the bikes could be tuned for different amount of engine braking and different idle RPM, from the factory bikes can be tuned not ideally because of the emission complience. Having just a touch of open throttle in the corner is just one possible way to mitigate that kick in the start of acceleration. But it requires a lot of precission and concentration, I usually don't do that, usually I just use higher gear to smooth out the transition. Or sometimes I use a bit of rear brake before opening the throttle, that also smoothes out the kick.
@@ItIsMyRide Maybe that wheel of grip means physics laws? I mean from the physics perspective you indeed can either accelerat, or move with constant speed (including zero :) ), or brake.
Throttle is big topic, I could write an essay here, but I'll make a video instead😁 Thanks for the idea!
Best motorcycle learning channel ever! Clear, simple, practical, logical... Thanks 👍
Excellent work! Very useful video,also I enjoy your slightly humorous presentation. A great series ,thank you from Australia.
Fantastic video. Very didactic/practical. If the person is not interested, becomes limited, they can spend years without walking in a safer and faster way (however contradictory it may initially seem). Many of these techniques, you have to learn in practice through your own perception/experience, making some silly mistakes and analyzing what happened to learn, but nothing like a very explanatory video like this to consolidate all aspects. Simply sensational! Tks bro!
Is this also applicable on a scooter?
Great practice. Thank you. I will be glad if you reply this, if we do trail breaking in the corner and keep it until we see exit, how much counter steering force we will apply high, less or medium? In standard cornering method we use instant counter steering but is that same for tail breaking method
Fantastic video as usual and very informative.. thanks so much for your efforts, keep up the good work 👏.
Excellent explanation and very high quality photography, thank you very much
Do I keep the throtle while i'm brakin?
No smoothly apply some front brake and slow until you can see thru the turn and see the exit. Ease off the brake and when you got the bike lined up for the exit start rolling on the power. You will feel how the much more control you have over the bike with even a very small amount if front brake. Practice slowly and you will see how much better and safer this method is. Learn about counter steering and soon you will see how easy it is to control a bike with minimal effort and precise control.
Thanks once again for the lessons. Love the channel!
Cheers from the Netherlands!
Thanx for a very clear explanation of the concept of trail breaking. I'm certainly going to do the parking lot exercice as described. Love your videos and approach. Thumbs up.
Hello Sir thank you for uploading MC Tip and Safety Guideline to properly operate the MC, it's very help full even for me that has year of exp riding Manual MC (self thought). May I ask sir if you have video for Rev Matching with combination of other cornering tips you have shared.
Many thanks and More Power on your channel
When you push the rear break it also helps setting the front suspension in. I start breaking by applying 15-20% (by feel... that's my estimate) - just a slow tap on the rear break half a second before I engage the front break. I always used the rear for a full corner trail breaking and the front only for about half of the radius(the entrance for the apex). I'll try doing what you said next time I ride.
A question from a new rider:
How do you figure out your bike's traction limits, without actually dropping the bike?
Congratulations and thank you as this is the best trail breaking explanation I've ever seen; simple, bit by bit and made easy to digest... No offense to native english speaker channels but it is what it is as I think they like to rush and complicate things...
Thanks, I'm glad to be helpful😊
Explained very clearly! (Я бы хотел знать, есть ли канал на русском или с переводом?)
Excellent descrition and exercises. The struggle with trail braking I've had was knowing how much to keep the brake engaged. Looking forward to trying these exercises to hone that skill. Thank you.
Well, as usual, you got "normal" braking wrong
Yes you use the brakes to slow down before the curve, as you begin leaning into the curve you begin acceleration, you are only accelerating enough to supply power to the rear wheel......not coasting.......you should also be in a gear low enough that when you roll off the throttle the bike has engine braking slowing you down.....also adding traction
Big mistake for crotch rocket riders is being in too high of a gear......cruising along 60mph in 4-6 gear and let off throttle.......no engine braking, but if they're in 2nd(depending on the crotch rocket) they get reasonable engine braking
This whole thing is about performance riding right?????????
For example my gsxs750 performance rpm starts at 9000, which in 3rd gear is 85mph.....so performance riding should be limited to 1st and 2nd duh
Riding the curves around here you won't be going faster than it can do in 2nd at 10000rpm
I’m new here, but I love this content
Hi moto control. Thank you for the video. Question, i use rear brake as well, any problem with that?
New rider here. How is that when you apply the brakes harder mid corner the bike stands up? I assumed it would just fall into a deeper lean angle and fall due to the fact that only acceleration brings the bike up straight.
Our car parks ( parking lots ) in the uk are shit. Terrible surfaces mostly, too many cars. They are never empty.
Very clear explanation of all the aspects of trail braking. Well done!👏
when you come down a mountain pass with a bicycle most people will apply trailbraking, right?
You’re a great instructor. You tamales about what to do with the front break while turning fast through a turn but Ibdont understand what you do with the throttle during trail breaking. Do you come off the throttle completely when entering the turn and let the engine coast? Do you stay on the throttle and keep it constant? I know you accelerate when existing a turn but what do you do with the throttle when entering a turn and while inside the turn?
It's important with trail braking that you can apply brake pressure without stiffening up your arms. Maybe that's why they don't teach it to beginners. Beginners might tense up their arms when they apply the brakes. You can practice braking in curves in a parking lot.
most understandable video I've seen on the subject, well done
You make me want to go outside and practice on the parkinglot! Great video! Thank you!
Do you keep the throttle open during trail breaking? Or do you close it?
Pretty clear explanation about trail braking ,nice
The police motorcycle riders in uk say you should not trail break and these are experts
"freak out and fall from a cliff somewhere.."...too funny
U r very good at explaining! 10q!
For people who were taught never to brake mid corner: Another good way to think about it is that you have always been trailbraking through a corner, you just didn't know it. Trail braking is not just braking with the front tire. And braking is not just using the brakes. When you engine brake through a corner, you are doing the same thing to the rear tire as if you were in a higher gear and dragging the rear brake. But the advantages of loading the front tire are immense, so it is more effective to trail brake the front tire - but there is no inherent danger, you've always been doing it with the rear :)
Thank you for explaining that throttle off is equivocal to rear trail braking. It now makes sense to me. 💡
this is the best YT video i've seen on trail braking. tyvm.
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What is the bike in the thumbnail?
am still on the other side, and not skid, cause dont know manage bike in general, its different from car, but if could be skidding am me, please do tell me braking at 80 km/hrs and 7:57 front action , sudden turn
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10:19 is a police technique, interpole has high range gun and doesnt chase through backstreet lanes, interpole still must know that 10:19 inspite of gun fun, to let police know a rank is rank, and so if gunned, thats in safe hands,👍
Your videos are very informative and based on solid study.
Thanks for making high quality educational videos!
This is something motorcyclists can learn from bikers, as a former avid biker i can tell you trail braking is normal for us, we call is shaving speed as we enter a corner.
If it wasnt for my experience riding MTB on trails, i wouldnt know how to properly trail brake
Make a video on ENGINE BRAKING sir!!!!!!! Love the way you explain & please provide practise exercises for it.
Ваши видео помогают мне болше наклоняця в поворотах и понимать как я катаюсь.
Я надеюс стат профессионалным каскадером к следующей неделе )
Thanks for your Videos. I am learning more from your Videos than Anywhere else on the Internet. This is incredible Knowledge you are passing on, and will save a Lot of Lives.👍👍
Compliments. A lot of correct and clear information in a relatively short clip. And I've only been wearing bikes for the past 53 years.
After searching on the web to learn what Trail Breaking really is, I finally found your video. Perfect. Thanks so much.
Best explanation! Unfortunately we didn't speak enough IRL on training. Well known place on the picture
Thank you for such a clear and straightforward explanation of trail braking. I’ve been trying to understand it for a awhile, but you finally made sense of it for me. I also really appreciate the practical practice exercises you illustrated. Practicing on the street has not been something I’ve been comfortable trying. Thank you very much! I’m very glad to be a new subscriber!
Excellent work 👍👍.. very nice explanation on trail braking.. keep posting man 👍👍
A great tutorial and instruction on techniques of trail braking. Since understanding that this principle, I recognise its merits over the old school method. Understanding that accelerating through a corner will causes the bike to increase the diameter has made me realise why I have run wider that I intended on many bends. Regardless of how much I practised this phenomena always happened and although thankfully I never dropped my bike, I'd certainly had some hairy moments. I eventually resigned myself to the fact that I was never going to go around bends as quickly as some other riders I'd often seen. I am confused about this however as I stated riding 40 years ago well before trail braking became recognised by street riders as a safer and faster method, so how were some riders so much faster than the average rider when they weren't employing trail braking? The thing that bothers me about practicing even in a car park is dropping my bike even though injury is not likely to be life threatening, I just don't want to drop my bike.
It’s better to drop it Practicing, than dropping it on the Road with Cars, Trucks or whatever behind you. Also you’ll be a Lot Safer if you come up on a Obstacle around a Curve, or go into the Curve to fast.
I’ve noticed on a lot of American videos when they trail break they are low siding but in uk you don’t see this very often
Excellent, now I understand Trail Braking better.
Man never stop doing these videos, we see You all the way from down here in Latin America muchacho 😁
btw i know you aren't in Argentina ... but i remember that you have said that you are?
Greetings from the pprc great video thanks for doing it for us.🇺🇸🏍
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Awesome Eric Andre reference 😂 and fantastic explanation of trail braking
8:22 why do you learn forward as you open the throttle on the dirt bike? Is is because of the bike geometry or is it because you are in a turn?
Thanks!
Thank you!
Thanks a lot from France.
Far the best video I have Seen on that topic!
Excellent
In mother Russia, trail breaks you.
Excellent 🙌
I really like how you teach, I learned a lot from you, thank you!
Nice n tnx
i did this naturally bc i didnt listen to my driving instructor lol
Thank hou
Letting off the throttle will pull the front tire to the inside of the turn as well.
Super as always mate superrr good !!! great job
Gracias amigo, you've done it again
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this is something next level in easy english. thanks
The best trail taking video out there!
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So is this why sometimes people use their right foot to work the brake and the gas? In manual transmission cars that is.
So you can finish braking, downshift, and rev match all simultaneously?
Or is this just silly?
Reason rally car racers do this is their engines are like motorcycle engines. High revving little turbo charged screamers. If they simply let off the brake pedal midcorner with gas completely closed, they'd lose traction and spin out the rear, due to the engine braking. They start adding gas while letting off the brakes so that the engine braking lets off at the same time as the rest of the brakes, into neutral throttle.
Very good and informative videos
I have a doubt about it, when you are applying trail breaking entering and in mid curve, do you need to have the clutch pressed all the way in? I have a tendency to always do that, whenever I apply the breaks I also apply the clutch.
You should not be pulling the clutch in during a corner just because you are using a tiny bit of brake during trail braking. You should be applying enough power to the rear tire to maintain speed through the corner, also known as maintenance throttle. You will be slowing down in every corner if you are always pulling in the clutch. I will encourage you to take a basic rider training course to get some help with your riding.
I want to ask, do we actually use front brake for trail breaking or we can use both ? In this video ruclips.net/video/M06ZJm0RJbE/видео.html u said we could use rear brake while cornering which means it is trail breaking right ? So can we use both ?
And another question is when u do trail breaking, do we need to release the throttle fully or leave some space on it ?
Hi! Yes, we can use both brakes. However, the rear one (in the video) mostly is not for actual braking, it is used to smooth the engine on lower/middle speeds. The higher the speed - the less and less impact the rear brake will have. The same goes for the throttle - on lower/middle speeds we can sometimes use throttle and brake simultaneously to make our bike smoother going through corner. On higher speeds this sort of becomes irrelevant. So it depends on the particular corner really.
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I’m a slow rider and always used trail braking. I didn’t even know what it was until someone told me. A very fast mate says he never trail brakes and if his entry speed is too high he’s screwed. I don’t believe him but can’t keep up long enough to check his brake light😂
A good rider hardly ever uses trail braking in street. They turn in later and quicker to make safer and faster lines. Staying wide makes you safer than continued braking. By staying wide, you can see farther into the corner and can simply lean the bike a bit deeper if the vanishing point moves closer. If you're already on your inside line, you won't be able to do that.
It's riders who can't make this safe line who need to brake into corners. They turn in too early. Often they are forced to turn in early because they don't know how to make their bike lean fast. Turning in early makes the bike reach the inside of the lane too early. Then the rider needs to continue braking until they can either see the exit or until they can get their bike back away from the inner edge of their lane to gain some margin of space.
If you're the latter rider, you will never be able to enter corners as fast as your mate. He's not necessarily taking as much risk as you think. He has a margin of safety that you can't experience until you learn how to enter the corners late and quick as he does.
You are amazing teacher 🎉