Would be great if you could do a video on using right gears. It seems your motorcycle was mostly on 3 rd gear most of the time, For few including me, I guess that high reving engine sound when going slow is a bit uneasy, especially when coming from hypermiling and riding commuting motorcycles😂
10:45 now that was the golden part of the video, that is what most people do when cornering, me included not too long ago till i finally got a bit of grip on what really was trail braking, but here with that simple demonstration on your bike and the comment "bike says holly crap dude you are not on the brakes anymore" is a connecting dot to understand that when you are out of brakes and just adding gas on the corner then for the bike you are not cornering you are just out of it and going straight, it ties up with the "speed equals radius", out of brakes and increased throttle can send you out of the corner pretty fast, i'll keep that part of the video on my head as permanent lesson X)
I feel like your comments at the start of your uphill front-brake ride were directed specifically at me. And I appreciate that. I really needed this video for clarification of the whole maintaining brake and maintaining throttle.
OK.... wrote the comment above before finishing the video. So I get the zero to 1 or 2 percent front lever to just guard the brake in case you need to brake or stop in the middle of the turn. But now your rear braking in the final trip down the mountain threw me. Your explanation sounds like you are maintaining enough brake pressure (I think you said 5%?) that if you did NOT add throttle as you transitioned to the rear brake, you would slow down. Which is OK, I guess. But I'm still not understanding why you are braking (actually applying rear brake, not just guarding it) and adding maintenance throttle to maintain speed, when you could just guard the rear brake (or front, or both), not apply braking, and use less maintenance throttle, and achieve the same speed. What is the advantage you achieve by actively braking and adding more throttle for maintenance, vs. not actively braking (just guarding), and maintaining the same speed but with less throttle? Agree it is fine (good even) to practice the technique in case of emergency, but absent an emergency, are you achieving some advantage with that technique? Not challenging anyone. Just trying to understand, because I'm obviously missing something.
@@MotoJitsu Roger that. That is what I understood at the beginning of the video, before I watched the whole thing. I think. (?) It just got confusing at the end. Wish I lived close enough to take a class from you.
I just started practicing maintenance throttle and trail breaking on my rides this past month. I feel more confident in the corners than ever before. Thank you for the detail techniques. I’m going to go practice some more today.
As a note, most people don’t know about “open range”, since most cattle crossings have been done away with. You crossed a cattle guard, so riders should expect a cow or two standing in the middle of the road. I cover the front brake on blind corners, to your point in this killer video!
Just competed a 500km ride in the mountains with a completely new kind of bike. My usual bike is a naked sports tourer, while the bike I rode is an adv. For the first few corners i was nervous with the new bike and its ergonomics, but i kept remembering all the staff i have learnt from your videos. The body positioning, looking far ahead and scanning the road, applying smooth breaks and throttle, doing a little bit of trail breaking and all other stuffs you have been teaching us. Within no time i became confident with the bike, and started enjoying the corners. I was scraping the footpegs just after an hour of riding with the new bike in the twisties. It was a multi day ride, so after each day, i would come back to your videos and identify what i could have done better. Appricieate all the hard work you do. Because of educators like you, we get to learn something which we can enjoy as well as saves our lives. Being from a country where we do not have proper motorcycle courses for everybody ( I am from India and over here the very few motorcycle training schools we have are pretty expensive and not for everyone), your content will help beginner riders like us to be more safer on the roads! Thanks again for all this! ❤️
There is no doubt in my mind Greg that your videos are the best on youtube. So easy to understand and gives me plenty to think about and practice when on my bike. Thank you👍
I been watching your video’s for a about 3 weeks now and I have learned more about counter steering ,trail breaking and line selection then I have from 4 years of riding including both my Australian standard learners and previsional riding courses. Keep up the good work mate 👍 saving lives and you don’t even know it
I have gained so many things to practice from watching these videos. More than I’ve ever been told by other “experience riders.” I appreciate you, Eddie.
Great to hear instruction on rear brake usage, often overlooked, I find it useful for small input subtle speed control often in preference to the front, which can upset stability if overused. I have found it surprising that some ignore it almost completely.
Trail braking the rear, possible yes, best practice really?Trail breaking on the rear is more likely to loose traction if somebody panic breaks or over does it, the ABS engaging is exactly that, somebody on an older bike with ABS might be sliding. If you apply the brakes you load the front tire increasing contact patch, the size of this match assists no doubt but it is the pressure applied that increases the friction coefficient/grip is more important than the surface area/contact patch size. Rear break you load the front so as you applying the rear break and reduce the weight on the rear, you are loosing pressure on the rear wheel reducing available friction. If you trail brake and panic brake or apply too much break for speed/lean angle/corning force you are more likely to loose the rear than the front because you are reducing the amount of traction available on the rear as you apply it. Whereas the front brake trail braking you are shifting more weight to the front as you brake in addition to the loading the tire, in effect increasing the traction available. Rear break transition, you trail brake the front to zero as you open the throttle to try to keep the suspension loaded you are just trail breaking the rear a bit to keep the front loaded whilst at constant speed to keep traction constant on the front, as you accelerate that acceleration loads the front so no need to rear. I am going to practice that a bit as I have been stopping myself doing that where I am at constant speed even though I instantly wanted to do so but have not because I was taught not to trail brake the rear.
Best explaination ever of "Trail Braking".. this is a great reason to get adjustable levers.. I can do brake and gas with one hand, but much easier if the friction point is much closer to the grip.. same with slipping the clutch, easier to control my hand precisely in close rather than stretched wide.
Great video, Thing about the 1250 I find is the engine compression when I roll off the throttle really slows the bike. I need to remember to always activate the brake light just to warn the cars behind me as I'm slowing quickly without applying the brakes.
I just started riding last fall. Only got a couple good weeks before a dump of snow hit. But I had all the gear before riding. Starting on a nice small 125cc to get decent and comfortable. Then most likely get an ADV. Your videos have given a lot of insight on various things to work on and practice. Planning to take a couple courses next year because our M endorsement takes 3-4 years to get here. Kudos!
@@mencibenci I'm not the OP but just my input: I'm on a Honda CG 125, which is a perfect little commuter. I've been riding it just over a year now, and am getting reeady to do my full license so i can graduate to a 600. 125s are great for learning the fundamentals and falling in love with riding.
@@mencibenciI've started riding 125 not so long ago after three weeks it was just not enough power and size was ridiculously Small but I feel very confident on it at least
sounds like a good way to change brake discs and pads 3 times as often with no real benefit, i will definitly take my time to learn thid technique but i dont think its something i will be using
You my Brother are Passionate about Motorcycling!!! And you're such a good dude for sharing all of your knowledge so that it might save just ONE rider! Thank You! May God Bless you and keep you safe always.
Understanding the engine characteristic is a great trick up the sleeve. Modern bikes have great engine braking, couple that with the right wrist and you can pretty much have a great corner entry and exit control. Of course the pace of entry speed matters, but as Greg demonstrated, slowly and steadily controlling the throttle, taking advantage of the engine braking, the right gear, can be extremely fun and great learning. Try it out people.
Mt 07 rider.. stupidly helpful.. My bike is aggressive off throttle .. with the rear breaks now I can manage the rear. Adding the front brake mid corner allows me to have the bike feeling like a “spring” so when I am out I am basically steering with the back if I want to.. thank you for sharing your ride
I have two of your books. I also enjoy your excellent videos on explaining trail breaking, using both breaks with accelerating and decelerating in curves.
Great videos thanks. FYI my advanced riding instructor here in London UK is an ex Police Bike rider, and he recommends your channel , he thinks you're great!
ah nice! you are from San Diego as well. I am a beginner rider as well and your channel popped out from my feed trying to look for basic tips on how to ride a moto. Thank you for giving this helpful advice/tips and instructional videos to new riders like us.
I like to trail break with my front fork slightly compressed-Which usually means I'm not grabbing the break and I have the weight on the front wheel so I can actually add a little more pressure on the brakes if I need it, or just maintain what I have. I usually use the brake but only two or three fingers. ;I've been told that it pushes my front wheel slightly closer to my rear wheel would help with turning also from what I'm told- it works out good for me.
For round-town riding, i primarily use the rear break in most cases. I find tapping on the rear brake naturally loads up the front as it pulls the front down .. from behind and i don't even need to grab a whole heap of a front brake for confidence in front grip. it just feels natural doing this. Riding fast, I always use both, always starting with a slight tap on the back and then figuring out the required trial-breaking method into the Cnr following through .. In European "Roundabouts" slight dragging the rear brake on easy throttle with no front breaking settles the bike making it feel stable.
At Madeira Island we only have hilly curvy roads and trailbreaking makes a lot of sense to me going down but not going up, but with this video and using the back break to finish the trailbreaking up curving HELPED ME A LOT. 🙏 (curves here are made max at 30 km/h 😂 almost like a U and going up/down)
I started doing something similar to your last run on my GSA, except I had a few seconds between coming off the front brake and getting on the rear and I wasn't really cracking the throttle open. I'll try to do a smoother transition between the three next time I'm in the mountains.
@@wildae. for me, doing traditional trail braking with just the front brake didn't feel right on my GSA. I don't know if it's because the telelever suspension doesn't really allow the front end to compress or what. It just feels better in the corners on this bike doing it this way for me and the way I ride. Of course a smoother transition between braking, power, and steering is always better as Greg demonstrated. I don't hit the twistes hard anymore and I'm just using the rear brake and throttle to control the radius of my arc through the corner.
This video was so timely for me! I've been riding for about 4 months now, and I just recently remembered that I have a rear brake. I was really only using it for stopping and starting on hills. Therefore, a lot of my twisty road cornering has been choppy trying to only use the throttle and front brakes. I'm looking forward to trying your blended front and rear braking this weekend. BTW, your gloves look awesome!!!
New subscriber here, i watched all your videos. I learned a lot from you from brakes to cornering. You saved me man👍 more vids to come. From philipines.
So grateful for your time putting these vids together - thanks. Love the way you are able to explain trail braking so clearly & concisely. This vid is brilliant also coz you do the comparisons whilst talking us through it. Got to admit my cornering has been a bit random up to now but watching your other vids is really helping. I've always lacked confidence in turns - now I know why! Thanks again.
Great videos still! Been watching you for 2 years and I'm finally getting motorcycle lessons tomorrow!! I'll be ahead for sure (also since I drive a moped for 2 years now)
Before I found out such teaching in RUclips, without knowing I've already used to trail breaking ,it just come like that through common sense. Thanks to the video I still have to learn new things everyday for safety 🙂
Great information even for a long time Rider 😀 I was on a back road that I wasn't familiar with lots of nice curves. Having a lot of fun with the leaning. A sign read "Cattle Crossing" so I slowed down, a lot ; and right in one of the best turns there was a lot of cow Patty. I still slid , plus some thigh slapping , but had I been going as fast as I formally was not only would I went down but also would of had a lot of cow poop all over me !
Demonstrating how you trail brake was awesome mate,it really helped me get a better understanding,I practice TB now every time I get the chance and watching you confirms the dynamics.thank you🤟🙏🙌👍
I learn so much from your videos, thank you. So let me see if I understand, because I’m a bit confused on this topic: you start by rolling off the throttle completely, then front braking until you’ve achieved your desired speed… then slowly decrease break pressure, and when you get to 0% break pressure you start adding throttle?
Definitely a good tip to learn how to get through the ride with different techniques. I have a Wing DCT and through the twisties I am in Sport Mode, sometimes manual, but I love the engine braking effect in Sport Mode when I am closing the throttle. Like the BMW, the Wing has combined braking so I am kind of getting used to it. I have a VStrom 650 as well and I pretty much trail brake on the front entering a corner and accelerate out of the corner, sometimes down shifting to control speed.
I like the term "maintenance throttle" as you say, for use when turning the bike. I use a similar technique when manoeuvring the bike very slowly, like when doing U-turns or getting the bike to the right pump at a gas station. The idea behind it is as the engine is rotating faster than it would normally at idle the increased speed of the rotating mass of the engine acts as a gyroscope and greatly improves the handling & stability of the bike at very low speeds. It can be tricky to coordinate the throttle & clutch with the back brake while turning the bike at very slow speeds but a think a top tip for beginners!
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Clear explanation as always! I have an issue with trail braking on bends/corners or motorcycle braking in general. When I want to brake or trail brake example on a 6% downhill with bends, as much as I want to trail brake, by the time I let go of my throttle to get into my front brake, the bike has already slowed down enough for me to need to brake (around 10mph or more slower than approaching speed). Only way, I could trail brake without engine braking taking the actual brake's job is if I use the clutch. I really do not want to do it this way specially on bends or corners. I understand that there should also be no overlapping of throttle and brake as well. What shall I do to make more effective use of the brake without the engine braking getting in the way?
Like Eddie said,it's all about pace. Meaning ur pace determines which technique or tool u use to make a corner. So if engine braking is slowing u down enough to take a corner , then u don't need to trail brake. You saw his rides here with no brake, only front brake and then only rear brake. If u want to trail brake ,u will have to go faster than ur usual pace. Hope that helps. Even tho belated.
What I don't like about the MSF basic course is they don't teach trail braking, only in the advance class. A common mistake for new riders is running wide in corners and knowing to brake while the bike is leaning is a great skill for safty.
once you got off the bike, I was trying to listen, but the bike took all of the attention... whatever the subject of the video is, an even though I have have heard the message a couple of times before from your past videos, watching it is a must, and I'm just hoping you do enjoy that bike the same as I do. 2020 exclusive with golden rims is probably the best looking GS to the date, happy that I got one myself as well, and don't care if bumblebee came with heated seats :)
I understood the differences between when and how ro use front only vs resr only, however what are the pros and cons of the last tecnique over the front only
From my understanding the term "trailing" in the context of motorcycle braking is using the trailing, or rear wheel to apply braking force. Nothing to do with how that force is applied. Using your context, trailing-type application could be used with the front brake as well, or as in the case of your GS since it has partially integrated brakes, both.
With maintenance throttle just maintaining your speed, wouldn't it be better to use good throttle control to gently add throttle and accelerate to shift that weight onto the rear tyre for the larger contact patch and the improved grip? Another informational guide named 'A twist of the wrist 2' taught me that technique, but seems to contradict what is spoken about here.
I love your videos and you're a great teacher using simple, straight forward language. You've taught me so much. I see that throughout this video you're in 3rd gear. You have a powerful bike so why not 4th or 5th? Is it because the road is far steeper than it looks in the video? Great video.
thanks!! :) No need for those higher gears for this road\ If you haven't done so yet, check out my website MotoJitsu.com for my app, books, discounts, etc.
Friend, this explanation is outstanding! My respect from sanctioned Russia). Please, keep on doing what u do. By the way, not sure that i understand it completely, u r switching from the front brakes to the rear when adding throttle just to keep the power stable? Or not to overheat the breaks? Or there is some other reason i did not get? I mean, why is it better than using just a bit of the front brakes all the time?
Nice video as usual, but I wish you would have mentioned "engine break", you are riding a GS Boxter engine like mine, plenty of engine break there, someone riding with a different engine will not have nearly the engine break power you enjoy. (my neighbor who raced for Yamaha pointed this out to me, he both the GS and the S 1000 RR and tells me the diff is huge.
Tip! Be aware of brake and tire thermals. For some of those people whom like to go to the limit and ride hard, Some times the tires and brakes can "Fade" yes tires can as well "Fade" giving a bit of traction difficulties. This is rare, but remember to take a moment to cool down and rest a bit 🙃
At legal street speeds, I feel like trail braking at every corner is not necessary, like you showed. Those speed limits at curves are likely designed for cars and speed limit for the curve plus 10mph is probably not a big deal for a motorcycle which corners much better than a car. Rolling off of the throttle is more than enough to slow down a bike in every day riding. If you add trail breaking, then you are slowing down too much in my opinion. Trail breaking would allow you to only enter those corners faster and at that point you are likely breaking the speed limit by a lot. I find trail braking downhill to be useful as well. What's crucial, in my opinion, is to hover your two fingers over the front brake in corners, in suburbs and intersections and know how to break without crashing. Modulating the front break as needed in every situation is key. I think you preach to that as well.
what's necessary and what you can practice are usually two very different things. Maybe only rolling off the gas is enough at a slower pace...but not at quicker speeds and it sets you up for failure if there's something unexpected around one of those blind turns.
I agree with front / rear braking in different situations. However, doesn’t the R1250GS have linked brakes that engage both front & rear regardless of which one you use?
I'm not telling anyone to do anything and ABS doesn't matter...all depends on how you use the brake and if you don't know how to use the rear brake, you'll say things like you said.
What are you talking about!? The controls are on the bikes for a reason. Anyone without proper skill and technique could turn anything on a motorcycle into disaster: turn the handlebars too quickly; disaster, dump the clutch too fast; disaster, chop the throttle; disaster. Should beginner riders not use their handlebars, clutch or throttle either??
@@DR4WZ because using the rear brake in a corner is totally unnecessary at the beginner level and could easily lead to a crash from lack of foot dexterity and brake feel with riding boots. Ive seen a lot of beginners crash from using the rear brake specifically. Ive been riding sport bikes for 20 years and dirtbikes for 40 big guy.
@@humzilla707 I'm sorry you weren't able to develop within such a great amount of time little guy. My point remains. For someone that doesn't understand moderation, any sudden use, or overuse, of any control can lead to crash. I would argue that beginners SHOULD learn to use and understand their rear brakes early, otherwise it will take that much longer to incorporate. My wife is a beginner and I'm teaching her rear brake. She immediately recognized how much control it gave her. The rear brake is there to be used. Maybe the manufacturers shouldn't include the rear brake until after you've passed some type of dexterity test, huh? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
@@DR4WZ I specifically said rear brake in a corner which is nearly useless. Not surprised by your attitude, I have help people like you off the road all the time.
Thanks for watching! Have you seen this video yet? ruclips.net/video/uUenlEkeQ18/видео.html
Would be great if you could do a video on using right gears. It seems your motorcycle was mostly on 3 rd gear most of the time, For few including me, I guess that high reving engine sound when going slow is a bit uneasy, especially when coming from hypermiling and riding commuting motorcycles😂
what bike are u riding in this video? and where?
i think from 10.00 and after is scary for the most of the people watching the way you enter the corners
10:45 now that was the golden part of the video, that is what most people do when cornering, me included not too long ago till i finally got a bit of grip on what really was trail braking, but here with that simple demonstration on your bike and the comment "bike says holly crap dude you are not on the brakes anymore" is a connecting dot to understand that when you are out of brakes and just adding gas on the corner then for the bike you are not cornering you are just out of it and going straight, it ties up with the "speed equals radius", out of brakes and increased throttle can send you out of the corner pretty fast, i'll keep that part of the video on my head as permanent lesson X)
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I feel like your comments at the start of your uphill front-brake ride were directed specifically at me. And I appreciate that. I really needed this video for clarification of the whole maintaining brake and maintaining throttle.
OK.... wrote the comment above before finishing the video. So I get the zero to 1 or 2 percent front lever to just guard the brake in case you need to brake or stop in the middle of the turn. But now your rear braking in the final trip down the mountain threw me. Your explanation sounds like you are maintaining enough brake pressure (I think you said 5%?) that if you did NOT add throttle as you transitioned to the rear brake, you would slow down. Which is OK, I guess. But I'm still not understanding why you are braking (actually applying rear brake, not just guarding it) and adding maintenance throttle to maintain speed, when you could just guard the rear brake (or front, or both), not apply braking, and use less maintenance throttle, and achieve the same speed. What is the advantage you achieve by actively braking and adding more throttle for maintenance, vs. not actively braking (just guarding), and maintaining the same speed but with less throttle? Agree it is fine (good even) to practice the technique in case of emergency, but absent an emergency, are you achieving some advantage with that technique?
Not challenging anyone. Just trying to understand, because I'm obviously missing something.
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I keep the brake light on til I see the exit, at a quick pace.
@@MotoJitsu Roger that. That is what I understood at the beginning of the video, before I watched the whole thing. I think. (?) It just got confusing at the end. Wish I lived close enough to take a class from you.
his videos are so good, i feel like he is speaking directly just to me every time i watch his videos
I just started practicing maintenance throttle and trail breaking on my rides this past month. I feel more confident in the corners than ever before. Thank you for the detail techniques. I’m going to go practice some more today.
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As a note, most people don’t know about “open range”, since most cattle crossings have been done away with. You crossed a cattle guard, so riders should expect a cow or two standing in the middle of the road. I cover the front brake on blind corners, to your point in this killer video!
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I think you could do with watching......Road craft Nottingham, why not to trail brake , some really really good points
Just competed a 500km ride in the mountains with a completely new kind of bike. My usual bike is a naked sports tourer, while the bike I rode is an adv. For the first few corners i was nervous with the new bike and its ergonomics, but i kept remembering all the staff i have learnt from your videos. The body positioning, looking far ahead and scanning the road, applying smooth breaks and throttle, doing a little bit of trail breaking and all other stuffs you have been teaching us. Within no time i became confident with the bike, and started enjoying the corners. I was scraping the footpegs just after an hour of riding with the new bike in the twisties. It was a multi day ride, so after each day, i would come back to your videos and identify what i could have done better. Appricieate all the hard work you do. Because of educators like you, we get to learn something which we can enjoy as well as saves our lives. Being from a country where we do not have proper motorcycle courses for everybody ( I am from India and over here the very few motorcycle training schools we have are pretty expensive and not for everyone), your content will help beginner riders like us to be more safer on the roads! Thanks again for all this! ❤️
There is no doubt in my mind Greg that your videos are the best on youtube. So easy to understand and gives me plenty to think about and practice when on my bike. Thank you👍
thanks :)
I been watching your video’s for a about 3 weeks now and I have learned more about counter steering ,trail breaking and line selection then I have from 4 years of riding including both my Australian standard learners and previsional riding courses. Keep up the good work mate 👍 saving lives and you don’t even know it
awesome! :)
what is the electroning assistant like abs etc.that you have on the bike?@@MotoJitsu
I have gained so many things to practice from watching these videos. More than I’ve ever been told by other “experience riders.” I appreciate you, Eddie.
more experience doesn't mean more skill or more knowledge.
"hope is not a technique"
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I hope someone reading that slows down and learns more techniques. Stay alive 👋
Maybe not but Ive definitely used hope a few times and I ended up being ok lol
I release throttle just before a corner , get the lean angle required then maintain a good throttle, never reach for the front brake
@@barrywood8838this is the stage of learning how to corner before you learn trail breaking
Trail Breaking - Thanks for clarifying , fancy name for slow breaking, working simultaneously with throttle to maintain stability. Great Video
Thanks :)
Dude, I can't deal with the beauty of this bike... it's too much. Some day, man... someday.
sure is!
Great to hear instruction on rear brake usage, often overlooked, I find it useful for small input subtle speed control often in preference to the front, which can upset stability if overused. I have found it surprising that some ignore it almost completely.
At a slower pace you may not even use the brakes at all.
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Trail braking the rear, possible yes, best practice really?Trail breaking on the rear is more likely to loose traction if somebody panic breaks or over does it, the ABS engaging is exactly that, somebody on an older bike with ABS might be sliding. If you apply the brakes you load the front tire increasing contact patch, the size of this match assists no doubt but it is the pressure applied that increases the friction coefficient/grip is more important than the surface area/contact patch size. Rear break you load the front so as you applying the rear break and reduce the weight on the rear, you are loosing pressure on the rear wheel reducing available friction. If you trail brake and panic brake or apply too much break for speed/lean angle/corning force you are more likely to loose the rear than the front because you are reducing the amount of traction available on the rear as you apply it. Whereas the front brake trail braking you are shifting more weight to the front as you brake in addition to the loading the tire, in effect increasing the traction available.
Rear break transition, you trail brake the front to zero as you open the throttle to try to keep the suspension loaded you are just trail breaking the rear a bit to keep the front loaded whilst at constant speed to keep traction constant on the front, as you accelerate that acceleration loads the front so no need to rear. I am going to practice that a bit as I have been stopping myself doing that where I am at constant speed even though I instantly wanted to do so but have not because I was taught not to trail brake the rear.
Best explaination ever of "Trail Braking".. this is a great reason to get adjustable levers.. I can do brake and gas with one hand, but much easier if the friction point is much closer to the grip.. same with slipping the clutch, easier to control my hand precisely in close rather than stretched wide.
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Great video, Thing about the 1250 I find is the engine compression when I roll off the throttle really slows the bike. I need to remember to always activate the brake light just to warn the cars behind me as I'm slowing quickly without applying the brakes.
thanks...all depends on the gear and rpm
Great video. Thanks. Really helpful to see how your speed/pace alters your options of throttle to slow vs throttle plus brakes.
I just started riding last fall. Only got a couple good weeks before a dump of snow hit. But I had all the gear before riding. Starting on a nice small 125cc to get decent and comfortable. Then most likely get an ADV. Your videos have given a lot of insight on various things to work on and practice. Planning to take a couple courses next year because our M endorsement takes 3-4 years to get here. Kudos!
I’m also starting on a 125cc next week, did you outgrow it quickly?
@@mencibenci I'm not the OP but just my input: I'm on a Honda CG 125, which is a perfect little commuter. I've been riding it just over a year now, and am getting reeady to do my full license so i can graduate to a 600. 125s are great for learning the fundamentals and falling in love with riding.
@@mencibenciI've started riding 125 not so long ago after three weeks it was just not enough power and size was ridiculously Small but I feel very confident on it at least
sounds like a good way to change brake discs and pads 3 times as often with no real benefit, i will definitly take my time to learn thid technique but i dont think its something i will be using
As always, good stuff from Greg/Fast Eddie. Much appreciated. I have been riding a long time, and you always manage to teach me something.
thanks!
You my Brother are Passionate about Motorcycling!!! And you're such a good dude for sharing all of your knowledge so that it might save just ONE rider! Thank You! May God Bless you and keep you safe always.
Understanding the engine characteristic is a great trick up the sleeve. Modern bikes have great engine braking, couple that with the right wrist and you can pretty much have a great corner entry and exit control. Of course the pace of entry speed matters, but as Greg demonstrated, slowly and steadily controlling the throttle, taking advantage of the engine braking, the right gear, can be extremely fun and great learning. Try it out people.
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ive ecu flash decreased engine braking..does my head..to abrupt without control..not that useful vs effort required
“Why would you go fast if you can’t stop fast” very good commentary through out the video
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Mt 07 rider.. stupidly helpful..
My bike is aggressive off throttle .. with the rear breaks now I can manage the rear.
Adding the front brake mid corner allows me to have the bike feeling like a “spring” so when I am out I am basically steering with the back if I want to..
thank you for sharing your ride
No problem 👍🏼😁
I have two of your books. I also enjoy your excellent videos on explaining trail breaking, using both breaks with accelerating and decelerating in curves.
Great videos thanks. FYI my advanced riding instructor here in London UK is an ex Police Bike rider, and he recommends your channel , he thinks you're great!
That is awesome!
Great commentary on a road very much like the one I ride near me. Learned something new about using the rear brake!
thanks :)
ah nice! you are from San Diego as well. I am a beginner rider as well and your channel popped out from my feed trying to look for basic tips on how to ride a moto. Thank you for giving this helpful advice/tips and instructional videos to new riders like us.
I live here yes ;)
Its awesome to see you ACTUALLY RIDING and showing the techniques, for a new rider, its Gold. Thank You ! Got your App too :-)
I like to trail break with my front fork slightly compressed-Which usually means I'm not grabbing the break and I have the weight on the front wheel so I can actually add a little more pressure on the brakes if I need it, or just maintain what I have. I usually use the brake but only two or three fingers.
;I've been told that it pushes my front wheel slightly closer to my rear wheel would help with turning also from what I'm told- it works out good for me.
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This is one of the bests vids on this subject! Thank u!
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For round-town riding, i primarily use the rear break in most cases. I find tapping on the rear brake naturally loads up the front as it pulls the front down .. from behind and i don't even need to grab a whole heap of a front brake for confidence in front grip. it just feels natural doing this. Riding fast, I always use both, always starting with a slight tap on the back and then figuring out the required trial-breaking method into the Cnr following through .. In European "Roundabouts" slight dragging the rear brake on easy throttle with no front breaking settles the bike making it feel stable.
The best! Really teaches great methods, not just one. Helmet cam is a great way to reveal when and where you look through a turn. #totalcontrol
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At Madeira Island we only have hilly curvy roads and trailbreaking makes a lot of sense to me going down but not going up, but with this video and using the back break to finish the trailbreaking up curving HELPED ME A LOT. 🙏 (curves here are made max at 30 km/h 😂 almost like a U and going up/down)
:) all depends on the pace you're going
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A little bit of rear that's balanced by the throttle stops the froks bouncing up too sharply and on track helps to controll wheelie.
I started doing something similar to your last run on my GSA, except I had a few seconds between coming off the front brake and getting on the rear and I wasn't really cracking the throttle open. I'll try to do a smoother transition between the three next time I'm in the mountains.
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@@wildae. for me, doing traditional trail braking with just the front brake didn't feel right on my GSA. I don't know if it's because the telelever suspension doesn't really allow the front end to compress or what. It just feels better in the corners on this bike doing it this way for me and the way I ride. Of course a smoother transition between braking, power, and steering is always better as Greg demonstrated. I don't hit the twistes hard anymore and I'm just using the rear brake and throttle to control the radius of my arc through the corner.
@@correykeen2956 got it now, thx for explaninig
This video was so timely for me! I've been riding for about 4 months now, and I just recently remembered that I have a rear brake. I was really only using it for stopping and starting on hills. Therefore, a lot of my twisty road cornering has been choppy trying to only use the throttle and front brakes. I'm looking forward to trying your blended front and rear braking this weekend. BTW, your gloves look awesome!!!
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New subscriber here, i watched all your videos. I learned a lot from you from brakes to cornering. You saved me man👍 more vids to come. From philipines.
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So grateful for your time putting these vids together - thanks. Love the way you are able to explain trail braking so clearly & concisely. This vid is brilliant also coz you do the comparisons whilst talking us through it. Got to admit my cornering has been a bit random up to now but watching your other vids is really helping. I've always lacked confidence in turns - now I know why! Thanks again.
Great videos still!
Been watching you for 2 years and I'm finally getting motorcycle lessons tomorrow!! I'll be ahead for sure (also since I drive a moped for 2 years now)
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Before I found out such teaching in RUclips, without knowing I've already used to trail breaking ,it just come like that through common sense. Thanks to the video I still have to learn new things everyday for safety 🙂
I've been riding for 50 years. I use your vids to keep fresh. Well done. Keep up the good work.
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you always do a good job of making the technique you're trying to explain approachable. thanks!
Great information even for a long time Rider 😀
I was on a back road that I wasn't familiar with lots of nice curves. Having a lot of fun with the leaning.
A sign read "Cattle Crossing" so I slowed down, a lot ; and right in one of the best turns there was a lot of cow Patty.
I still slid , plus some thigh slapping , but had I been going as fast as I formally was not only would I went down but also would of had a lot of cow poop all over me !
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Thanks for the technic ! I will practice with my 125 Honda
Demonstrating how you trail brake was awesome mate,it really helped me get a better understanding,I practice TB now every time I get the chance and watching you confirms the dynamics.thank you🤟🙏🙌👍
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So let me see if I understand, because I’m a bit confused on this topic: you start by rolling off the throttle completely, then front braking until you’ve achieved your desired speed… then slowly decrease break pressure, and when you get to 0% break pressure you start adding throttle?
Awesome. Front break covers greater breaking throttle 👌 Rear breaks covers lesser, back to throttle.
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Thank you. I do understand better with this video.
You lucky... ! Great beautiful road !
so much fun!
Definitely a good tip to learn how to get through the ride with different techniques. I have a Wing DCT and through the twisties I am in Sport Mode, sometimes manual, but I love the engine braking effect in Sport Mode when I am closing the throttle. Like the BMW, the Wing has combined braking so I am kind of getting used to it. I have a VStrom 650 as well and I pretty much trail brake on the front entering a corner and accelerate out of the corner, sometimes down shifting to control speed.
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I watch this and wanted to ride , so as I always prechecked the bike like your last video I had a flat tire. I saw your card at 8 ball tires. 👍
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Great video. I’ll be adding it to my playlist for motorcycle learning.
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Thanks for the video! it does explain a lot of what to do for a safe breaking in corners!
Amigo ! Excelente video. Gracias. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽
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Thank you for the actual demo.thank you for this video
I swear ya read my mind when you release this video.
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I like the term "maintenance throttle" as you say, for use when turning the bike. I use a similar technique when manoeuvring the bike very slowly, like when doing U-turns or getting the bike to the right pump at a gas station. The idea behind it is as the engine is rotating faster than it would normally at idle the increased speed of the rotating mass of the engine acts as a gyroscope and greatly improves the handling & stability of the bike at very low speeds. It can be tricky to coordinate the throttle & clutch with the back brake while turning the bike at very slow speeds but a think a top tip for beginners!
yup, that's one way for slow speed turns.
This was awesome because I had no idea what trail braking means. I'll be taking the basic rider course next year.
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Thank you for the todays lesson and.. the little trip!!
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Clear explanation as always! I have an issue with trail braking on bends/corners or motorcycle braking in general. When I want to brake or trail brake example on a 6% downhill with bends, as much as I want to trail brake, by the time I let go of my throttle to get into my front brake, the bike has already slowed down enough for me to need to brake (around 10mph or more slower than approaching speed). Only way, I could trail brake without engine braking taking the actual brake's job is if I use the clutch. I really do not want to do it this way specially on bends or corners. I understand that there should also be no overlapping of throttle and brake as well. What shall I do to make more effective use of the brake without the engine braking getting in the way?
Like Eddie said,it's all about pace. Meaning ur pace determines which technique or tool u use to make a corner. So if engine braking is slowing u down enough to take a corner , then u don't need to trail brake. You saw his rides here with no brake, only front brake and then only rear brake. If u want to trail brake ,u will have to go faster than ur usual pace. Hope that helps. Even tho belated.
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Excellent - this was such a great lessong for a new rider - thanks for uploading
What I don't like about the MSF basic course is they don't teach trail braking, only in the advance class. A common mistake for new riders is running wide in corners and knowing to brake while the bike is leaning is a great skill for safty.
The GS also helps. Its so easy to lean and use engine breaking in corners in 3rd and 4th
The bike is irrelevant.
once you got off the bike, I was trying to listen, but the bike took all of the attention... whatever the subject of the video is, an even though I have have heard the message a couple of times before from your past videos, watching it is a must, and I'm just hoping you do enjoy that bike the same as I do. 2020 exclusive with golden rims is probably the best looking GS to the date, happy that I got one myself as well, and don't care if bumblebee came with heated seats :)
sure do love mine :)
I understood the differences between when and how ro use front only vs resr only, however what are the pros and cons of the last tecnique over the front only
From my understanding the term "trailing" in the context of motorcycle braking is using the trailing, or rear wheel to apply braking force. Nothing to do with how that force is applied. Using your context, trailing-type application could be used with the front brake as well, or as in the case of your GS since it has partially integrated brakes, both.
Trail braking can be done with the front or rear or both..not matter what technology on the bike.
With maintenance throttle just maintaining your speed, wouldn't it be better to use good throttle control to gently add throttle and accelerate to shift that weight onto the rear tyre for the larger contact patch and the improved grip? Another informational guide named 'A twist of the wrist 2' taught me that technique, but seems to contradict what is spoken about here.
I love your videos and you're a great teacher using simple, straight forward language. You've taught me so much. I see that throughout this video you're in 3rd gear. You have a powerful bike so why not 4th or 5th? Is it because the road is far steeper than it looks in the video? Great video.
thanks!! :) No need for those higher gears for this road\
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Just over complicating a corner form t brake is all you need forget about the rear
Using the front to rear towards a traffic stop creates a sinus curve of braking. It gives you the smoothest braking process up to stop.
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Friend, this explanation is outstanding! My respect from sanctioned Russia). Please, keep on doing what u do. By the way, not sure that i understand it completely, u r switching from the front brakes to the rear when adding throttle just to keep the power stable? Or not to overheat the breaks? Or there is some other reason i did not get? I mean, why is it better than using just a bit of the front brakes all the time?
It would be really great if you had some sensors for throttle, front and rear brakes.
Only way I know that exists is on high level race bikes.
I love riding in the mountains, it's so much more fun now that I've learned to trailbrake and balance my brakes against the throttle.
Now I realize what those Nascar drivers are doing when you see their front brakes glowing red hot...
Thank You for the vid. I will watch it again. Theres a lot to learn..
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Another great video...this is a great drill to practice and pair with emergency braking drills.
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Road the Dragon for the first time.. MotoJistu trail braking for the win.
Nice video as usual, but I wish you would have mentioned "engine break", you are riding a GS Boxter engine like mine, plenty of engine break there, someone riding with a different engine will not have nearly the engine break power you enjoy. (my neighbor who raced for Yamaha pointed this out to me, he both the GS and the S 1000 RR and tells me the diff is huge.
this video is about trail braking.
I loved this "Hope is not a technic"
Great video. Thanks FE.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank You Bro! Excellent Video!🤙
Tip! Be aware of brake and tire thermals. For some of those people whom like to go to the limit and ride hard, Some times the tires and brakes can "Fade" yes tires can as well "Fade" giving a bit of traction difficulties. This is rare, but remember to take a moment to cool down and rest a bit 🙃
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I love your videos. Pretty informative. Please keep up the good work.
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SO helpful! My favorite style of video that you do :D
Really good channel and video :) Been watching your vids for some weeks now as a new rider.
At legal street speeds, I feel like trail braking at every corner is not necessary, like you showed. Those speed limits at curves are likely designed for cars and speed limit for the curve plus 10mph is probably not a big deal for a motorcycle which corners much better than a car. Rolling off of the throttle is more than enough to slow down a bike in every day riding. If you add trail breaking, then you are slowing down too much in my opinion. Trail breaking would allow you to only enter those corners faster and at that point you are likely breaking the speed limit by a lot. I find trail braking downhill to be useful as well.
What's crucial, in my opinion, is to hover your two fingers over the front brake in corners, in suburbs and intersections and know how to break without crashing. Modulating the front break as needed in every situation is key. I think you preach to that as well.
what's necessary and what you can practice are usually two very different things. Maybe only rolling off the gas is enough at a slower pace...but not at quicker speeds and it sets you up for failure if there's something unexpected around one of those blind turns.
I agree with front / rear braking in different situations. However, doesn’t the R1250GS have linked brakes that engage both front & rear regardless of which one you use?
Hi, as always a good video. Something more to exercise in the Austrian Alps 😀
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Loved this video. Have a RD in my area I’m ready to try it on.
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Telling beginning riders to use rear brake anywhere in a corner is a recipe for disaster especially without abs
I'm not telling anyone to do anything and ABS doesn't matter...all depends on how you use the brake and if you don't know how to use the rear brake, you'll say things like you said.
What are you talking about!? The controls are on the bikes for a reason. Anyone without proper skill and technique could turn anything on a motorcycle into disaster: turn the handlebars too quickly; disaster, dump the clutch too fast; disaster, chop the throttle; disaster. Should beginner riders not use their handlebars, clutch or throttle either??
@@DR4WZ because using the rear brake in a corner is totally unnecessary at the beginner level and could easily lead to a crash from lack of foot dexterity and brake feel with riding boots. Ive seen a lot of beginners crash from using the rear brake specifically. Ive been riding sport bikes for 20 years and dirtbikes for 40 big guy.
@@humzilla707 I'm sorry you weren't able to develop within such a great amount of time little guy. My point remains. For someone that doesn't understand moderation, any sudden use, or overuse, of any control can lead to crash. I would argue that beginners SHOULD learn to use and understand their rear brakes early, otherwise it will take that much longer to incorporate. My wife is a beginner and I'm teaching her rear brake. She immediately recognized how much control it gave her. The rear brake is there to be used. Maybe the manufacturers shouldn't include the rear brake until after you've passed some type of dexterity test, huh? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
@@DR4WZ I specifically said rear brake in a corner which is nearly useless. Not surprised by your attitude, I have help people like you off the road all the time.
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Best trailbraking video i came across.