Trying something new again. Let me know what you guys think. Sorry it was delayed due to copyright disputes. Trying to get the Sea of Monsters review out next. Thanks so much for all the love and support you guys send me every day!
I love it thanks you for delivering this content. i could imagine a video where you gave some plots, idea, wish scenario of what you want in a live action adaption of Disney Heracles has a fan of the myths
Something else strange about that zeus can't be your dad scene is that I'm pretty sure in a time in Greece it was more common to be zeus's son than being left handed
Hey, Disney doesn’t get all the credit. DC comics have been pulling this shit since the 1940s. Not to mention the word “Hades” has been equated with the Christian “Hell” in literary texts for hundreds upon hundreds of years.
This movie has the greatest hits of mythological inaccuracies 1. Using Hercules instead of Heracles 2. Hades is evil 3. Zeus is a good person All we're missing is the gods not bleeding Ichor.
@@JesusPlsSaveMeYour religion has nothing to do with this discussion. We are discussing mythology, not religion. If you want to "spread" your religion, go somewhere where Christianity is actually part of the conversation.
@@JesusPlsSaveMe while i do agree with you, that isn't what we're talking about right now, keep spreading the holy word just in the right conversation or you'll drive people away my brother/sister in christ
I like the way Hades is always described as a bad, mean villain. But actually he’s the only one who does what he’s supposed to do and doesn’t get every living being he comes across pregnant
@@sleepy.thehuman because he could... And also because ancient Greece had a... Lack of women's rights and wife respect so that translated into mythology.
aphrodite seemed happy to see him at the end so idk. she's more goddess of love than jealousy and tbf he was falling in love at that point so she might've forgiven it on a technicality
@@horizonanadyomeneidk what greek mythology you read but "aphrodite is a goddess of love not jealousy" is prob exactly what all those mortals thought before dying an awful death lmao
@@horizonanadyomene Aphrodite is the prime example of that hot girl with bipolar depression. Medusa is the easiest example.aphrodite needs to be the most beautiful or hell will be paid
Forgot to mention one thing: In the movie, It is said that that Zeus is the oldest brother and Hades is the youngest brother. But in mythology, Its the opposite
Well, It's because Zeus didn't get shallow as a baby and it was the order of Hades,Posiden, Hera, Demeter and Hestia, as they were vomited out Kronos(Not The God of War).
@@Breathofthewild-hn9mvEvery baby was born normally. Hestia was born (eldest) and then swallowed. Then Demeter, then Hera, then Hades, then Poseidon. As the myth says, they all continued to grow in Kronos’s stomach. Zeus was born and not swallowed. He grew up and got his siblings vomited out. He’s still the youngest though.
One thing you forgot to mention: at the start of the movie Hades mentions Zeus gave him the job as god of the Underworld, but in reality it was a simple draw between the three gods. Hades just happened to randomly draw the Underworld, like Zeus randomly got the Sky, and Poseidon the Ocean. Zeus didn't give Hades the Underworld. Hades gave himself the Underworld.
For the most part yes. Hades chose the role simply because his brothers didn't want it and it was a necessary job. Hades technically COULD have been king of the seas, but Poseidan already chose the seas as his domain even before people in Mycanaean Greece even knew Zeus had two older brothers.
@@ordinalchaos and thats probably be for the better. Would hate to see what would the underworld would be managed under Zeus who got a serious problem managing whats below his belt.
@@heinoussage The most recent consensus for Greece's population estimates them to be around 10.67 million in size. The estimated number of living descendants who can trace their ancestry back to Genghis Khan is 16 million.
Honestly though Hera sounds like a much more interesting villain. I think they could rewrite the story into Hera being a villain in a way that would still be appropriate. They could make Hades an ally to Heracles as well given that he’d have to go to the underworld anyway due to his labors.
If we are going the revisionist route I would have made Poseidon the antagonist perhaps envious of being in Zeus’s shadow and wants to one up him. Heck in this movie the prison for the titans is depicted in the ocean or some body of water.
@@lunerblade13 That can work, it’s true Poseidon and Zeus are rivals. Heracles has had fought against the Cretan Bull, an embodiment of Poseidon’s Rage, Heracles also fought two of Poseidon’s sons with Zeus’s help, and freed a woman that was meant to be sacrificed to Poseidon. While I still think Hera would be the best villain for Heracles I can definitely see Poseidon playing a large antagonistic role.
I've always thought that the reason they went against myth and made Hercules the son of Zeus and Hera in this movie was because Disney wasn't willing to deal with children born outside of wedlock in their kids movies.
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Hades in this movie: Evil God who is evil because underworld = hell. Hades in myths: Dour Strict Man who's stuck in a boring but important job who's trying to just live his life, and is probably annoyed at us humans because of how often we kill ourselves.
@@dr.bright6272 Fury: Sire the new section is full Hades: Again?! We literally just got that built! Fury: It seems like there's another war in the human realm and another unit of soldiers rushed to their deaths. Hades: OH FOR FU-
I love how they portrayed Hera as a loving mother to Heracles, even though actually she wasn't his mother, tried to kill him ruthlessly twice, made him kill his own family and interfered in one of his labors, which resulted in Hypolita's death.
She actually DID Mother him and raise him with Athena BEFORE she found out who’s child he was. It’s supposedly where his strength came from. I don’t remember WHO told her but Athena who Didn’t know either had to sneak him out of Olympus and back to his mother and stepfather before she threw him off the mountain
I read he had a sister too, Laonome. Lol and she married one of Heracles’s Argo shipmates. And from the little I read he was straight ride or die type of brother literally. You brother goes insane and not only kills his family but throws your kids into a fire and you still go off with him. That takes some real loyalty.
Technically the “He was mean as he was ruthless” part isn’t wrong, he isn’t very much of either. It would be like calling Zeus as faithful as he was mortal
No he would never need help by a MORTAL. He would write himself to kill all the titans simultaneously blindfolded with his hands behind his back while trapped in tartarus while.
As one spanish comment once said: "If Disney had been 5% faithful to the original mythology, Hercules wouldn't have been a family friendly movie at all"
Fun fact: in Greek schools we get taught about Greek mythology as early as in third grade, which is a bit weird considering we are being taught the... less kid-friendly matters as well (i.e. Kronos swallowing his children, Zeus being ridiculously unfaithful, Herakles being manipulated into killing his family, etc.). Also, at least among Gen X-ers, Millenials and Gen Z-ers, we would read about Greek mythology from childrens' books. So from a young age even we all know at least the basics of the mythology. Because of this, when this movie was brought to Greece, its title was translated to "Herakles: Beyond the Myth" because the translators knew that even young children would see the movie and go like "That's not how the myth goes like!", and in fact, we did go like that. I even remember as a little kid talking with friends about it and us going like "Yeah normally it didn't happen like this but the movie shows another story". I have no idea how other cultures see this film, but most of us Greeks see it as a kind of a parody, one that we won't take too seriously but because of some great acting from the voice actors (the one for Hades, especially) we find it entertaining and it's kind of a classic, especially among mid- to late milennials. EDIT: It's so interesting to see people from so many countries across the world say they were also taught Greek mythology at school! Though I definitely don't think we're unique in that; the main reason I mentioned our education of it is that the Greek translators of the film felt the need to add a "Beyond the Myth" in the title, and I felt it was an interesting fact to share here 😄
I heard they sort of did something similar for the Russia release for the animated Anastasia film. Since she is based off a real life Russian princess with the film taking plenty of historical liberties of her, the royal family, Tsar Nicholas II, Rasputin, and the Russian revolution, there was concern of it causing a lot of controversy in her home country, so the marketing team did there best they could in the Russian advertisements to make it look as much of historical fairly tale story as possible and downplay anything related to any real history. And it was received well from the Russian public, though it did still get some backlash from Ana’s living relatives and the Russian Orthodox church.
I'm a german who also grew up with greek mythology and I'm talking the actual myths, just without all the gruesome details, so I knew the movie didn't really align with any of them. I always just saw it as Disney trying to make a kids movie. There aren't a lot of child friendly greek myths, at least not that I am aware of, so of course they'd censor and rewrite a bunch of stuff, but only now, that I actually looked into Herakles a bit more, do I know just how much...
@@TheMythologyGuy1 The directors of Hercules admitted that this Movie was made out of obligation. They originally wanted to make Treasure Planet first, but Disney hated the idea. However Disney said that if they make a film that is as marketable as Aladdin, then they can make Treasure Planet.
More accurate to say it's surprising meg is still breathing as typically greek gods go after the ones they are compared to rather than the one comparing
you're all missing the easy Disney trope that would've worked perfect for the story of Hera being a villian: Evil Stepmom Trope. It's literally right there and they just missed it
This was during Disney's Renaissance Era where they first tried to subvert the classic Disney Formula. Evil Stepmom would have been too much like their Golden Age films and they wanted to seem more Progressive. That's why Megara is a Don't Need No Man character and she doesn't just fall in love with Hercules. She's an older woman whose become jaded and he is the naive young man trying to win her affection.
@@jeffreygao3956 Bored? They hadn't used the evil stepmom trope since the 50's. Also, I don't think this movie deviates from the Greek myths because the writers were ignorant. I think they simply thought the movie would be more marketable if it had more Christian elements in it. And I recall an interview where the directors said their main inspiration for this movie was Superman. And you can kinda see the Superman influences in this movie if you look closely.
@@PlanetZoidstar No. The Disney Renaissance wanted to emulate the Golden Age but with 90's political correctness. The evil stepmom trope wasn't considered outdated. In fact, it would have been quite subversive to use that trope in a male-centered movie rather than a Disney Princess movie. And the "I don't need no man" trope started with Jasmine in Aladdin. It was popular and a guaranteed success, so they used that for Megara's character as well.
I'm surprised when Hercules called Meg more beautiful than Aphrodite, Aphrodite herself didn't come down and say "What did you just say about me?" And Herc would been like "Uh oh."
Hercules didn't hurt Cerberus, he's always depicted in Greek vases leaning down, putting his club aside and PETTING him. And then taking him on a leash to his mortal uncle who made him do those labors (and letting Cerberus terrify him). Also the reason he's called Heracles (which means 'glory of Hera') was to appease her wrath. He was first named Alcides or Alcaeus.
Heracles is the latinised version of his name. Has nothing to do with appeasing hera. The greek interpretation of the name Herakles already means glory of hera after all
@@GothPaoki He was first named Alcides but changed it to Heracles to appease Hera. Several mythological heroes had a different name when they were born (eg Priam, Achilles)
The biggest issues I have with the movie is how they villainized the character who deserved it the LEAST, made Zeus a good husband (wtf), and made Hera Hercules' mother.
Disney: we need something easy for kids to understand, easy characters Also Disney: let’s make zues good because everyone loves Zeus and hades the bad guy because he works in the underworld
Well showing that Zeus cheated on his wife and slept with every woman he could lay his eyes upon perhaps isn't the most ideal for a Disneys kids movie.
I actually like this. It has a hint of Cinema Sins inspiration... aside from the fact that the person in the video actually knows what the hell they're talking about. edit: wow, people really don't like cinema sins. no regrets.
You.... guys do know that Cinema Sins is this thing called "satire" right? They're not *trying* to be actual critics. They have even said themselves "We're assholes, not critics."
@@corryjamieson3909 *shrug* I find it amusing as do over 9.15 million other people, it seems. They're not trying to be genuine critics. They're trying to nitpick and be petty cuz they find it funny. They do this because they *like* movies. They probably started out one day going "Hey. These movies are pretty popular. What if we decided to be needlessly nitpicky about the issues it has while making it funny?"
she said her weaving skills were better than Athena's and when they battled and were equally good, Athena got mad and turned the girl into a spider :D@@abs0lut3_s0lv3r
I am NOT into mythology and I know nothing about it, but I couldn't stop watching this. There's a beautiful fluency in the way that you pronounce all the Greek names. Not only is it fascinating (and you have a very pleasant voice and way of speaking), but I love the comments too. I'm just amazed that so many people are interested in Greek mythology.
Reminds me of my favorite depiction of Hades which is from Percy Jackson, there he's just a somber dour man who's trying to get his increasingly overcrowded realm working and when asked why he wouldn't want to kill more people, he answered that killing more people means more dead souls he has to look over and less space in the Underworld.
Reminds me of that meme where the girl says that the guy could never understand her pain while he apologizes while having a hundred weapons in his back.
What I really like is how there is a big tradition of people changing the myths all the time. That's why there are so many different stories and so many different endings. So technically Disney's Hercules although it isn't accurate to the old myths that were told it is still accurate and in the ancient tradition of changing the myth to suit your needs or make the story more interesting.
fun fact: in the original mythology Heracles did not kill his music teacher by accident he did it on purpose because baby Heracles was a bit of a brat and the reason he killed his music teacher was because the teacher tried to discipline him with corporal punishment
Probably 25 years ago I had a conversation with a department chair at a highly respected liberal arts college. He explained that his sister worked for Disney animation and had been instrumental in the pre-production of Hercules. Disney invited this professor (a scholar on Hercules) down to explain the stories and academic research behind the Roman and Greek myth. He ended the story saying “they listened intently and asked lots of questions- and did whatever they wanted anyway.” Then he laughed and went to class.
Sounds like the movie myth of knights in armor getting winched onto their horses. I forget which movie started it but I guess the director really wanted to use that as a comedy element, and completely ignored his historical expert who PLEADED with him not to. And as a result, at least half a dozen other movies did it too. Although to be fair, there are also interviews on youtube where people talk about how Disney specifically told them NOT to read the Jungle Book before/during production, and in that case I can kind of see why. It was never really a cohesive book so much as a series of somewhat connected short stories, so it would have made a terrible movie as-is. But the result is that they completely mixed up the personalities of Baloo and Bagheera and made a whole lot of contradictions with the book. Then again, even movies that are supposedly much more connected with the book still contradict it. Peter Jackson's LOTR is riddled with contradictions, and the Hobbit is so far off it's basically fan-fic.
It's because the west, and especially the us has very heavy Christian influences. God of the underworld = the devil and the underworld = hell. So god of the underworld is evil.
@@mr.sniffly5297 That's only an endless pit in the Underworld-and the name of a primal god who the pit was named after. I had trouble figuring it out for a while.
Regarding Pain and Panic, its explained in the "losely canon" cartoon series that Pain and Panic are the physical manifestations of all the negative emotions that were released when Pandora opened the Box. They have several brothers each of whom is named after the many other bad things that came out. This probably has no ties to Greek Mythology as far as I'm aware. But I figured you might find that info interesting.
It has some truth to it, but not a lot. Some versions of the pandora story do feature manifestations of such forces being released. Nosoi (plague spirits) being one such example.
There are the algea, Daughters of Eris and the personifications of Pain, Grief and Distress or Trouble. But there are 1) Three of them and 2) they are barely mentioned. Also, Phrike, the Daemon of Horror could be an Inspiration. I think she might even belong to the spirits Pandora freed. Nur still, it Sounds unlikely.
Well Aphrodite can be quite vain, short-tempered and jealous of somebody including Eos and Psyche. Aphrodite also cheated her husband Haphaestus with various affairs which is Dionysus, Adonis, Brutus, Poseidon, Ares, Hermes, Zeus and Anchises. She's also said to be the one who caused The Trojan War. Aphrodite also make the women on the island of Lemnos smell so bad that the husband choose the slave girls which causes the women kill the men.
Considering the things they "DID" get right, it's clear someone did their research. I can imagine that same someone in the writer's room just ripping their hair out when someone said, "let's put pegasus in there"
Hell watch the TV series. It is chock full of references and such ofmythology and history. Hell at one point they even used the name of an actual article of ancient Greek clothing. I honestly had never heard of the name of until the same year I rewatched the series a year or so after D+ became a thing.
@@jacquelineking5783 the only problem with the TV Series is that it’s not canon to the movies, due to Hades in the movie not knowing Hercules is still alive, but Hades in the TV series did.
@@robbiewalker2831 The TV version of events makes more sense anyways since if Hades is the archenemy of Hercules, then Hades would DEFINITELY be keeping tabs enough to know that Hercules survived.
@@erikbihari3625 As far as I'm aware, it's just confirmed to be Thanatos bringing the dead, Cerberus guarding the entrance, and Charon manning the ferry.
If you were the god of love and beauty and a mortal said they were your better, you'd be pissed too. Though it happens the a lot with Aphrodite as most greek tragedies depicted the people as "the most' attractive A few Gods acted this way, when their domain was challenged by mortals. Athena and Arachne. Apollo and Marsyas. Zeus and Salmoneus
"Along came Zeus" yeah that's how a lot of ancient myths and dramas started Disney is known for sugar coating the core stories. With this story, they buried it in 100kg of sugar
Hades in Hollywood: *I’M EVIL, I WANT EVERYONE TO DIE!!!* Hades in actual mythology: please just leave me alone with the only people I love in the world…
Perseus is literally the greatest hero that Phil talks about, even has a damn constellation of his own AND a happy ending, WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT IN A HERO???
I would guess the Disney Perseus is that statue Medusa(who’s nice in the Hercules TV series) shifted into the light. Meanwhile, Jason, Odysseus, Achilles, and Theseus seem fine in the series so I would just guess Phil’s a terrible teacher.
I believe that one of the reasons they chose to make Hades the bad guy instead of Hera was to drift away from the old Disney formula of having the stepmother as the villain
On the delivery of Cerberus, wasn't it a demand of Hades that Cerberus NOT be harmed during Heracles' attempt to tame him and that was the only way Hades would let him take him out of the underworld? How can you even think about depicting Hades as the bad guy when his one demand is to NOT hurt his doggo?!
From Overly Sarcastic Production's video, Hades didn't exactly state that Heracles couldn't harm Cerberus but he does say that Heracles has to capture Cerberus without using weapons, which is just fine by him. And apparently Heracles shoots Hades afterwards with no recorded reason for it, so that's a missing piece of the story.
During the scene right after Hercules talked with Zeus saying he still needed to be a true hero, Phil does actually reference more of the 12 labours with the Augean Stables and the Girdle of Hippolyte- "At 1:00, you got a meeting with King Augeas. He's got a problem with his stables. I'd advise you not to wear your new sandals. At 3:00, you gotta get a girdle from some Amazons."
Also Fun fact: In one version of Heracles's story I've read, it was actually Hera who granted him his power. By accident of course. Story said that when he was born, his big sister Athena was worried for him, so at the dark of night, she took him from his crib and carried him to Olympus. There, she handed him to Hera, telling her he is a poor hungry baby. Hera was moved and not recognizing him as Alceides (birth name of Heracles), she let him suck from her breast. Milk gave Heracles power and immortality, but he sucked to hard. Hera pulled him away so hard it caused her milk to spill across the sky, creating Milky Way. Athena then quickly grabbed baby Alceides and carried him back his crib, calm now, since Hera could not do anything to actually kill her baby half brother. And another fun fact: While Heracles was certainly a hero and very kind to his friends, willing to go to extreme lengths for them, he was also very ruthless and aggressive. Especially if someone offended him, then Hades might as well be preparing another space in underworld. And a bonus fun fact: Heracles's name means "Glory to Hera" or "Glory of Hera".
That's like comparing apples to oranges, bro... one they are confusing one character for another, in this one they are just using the characters name in the wrong language for the time period/story. The Greeks called him Heracles (Ancient Greek), and when the Romans took over the Greeks and assimilated their gods, they called him "Hercules" (Latin). But same guy. Point is, there was no "Hercules" when this story happened, because the Romans and their takeover was far away in the future. That's all. I think personally they used the Latin version because it's more recognizable to US audiences (Who can forget the fat kid clapping and saying "Hercules! Hercules!" lol).
Watching this video, I’m just now realizing how many Superman elements Disney wove into this. Boy arrives from a world above the heavens, is adopted by a kindly pastoral couple, is told his backstory through a symbol associated with his birth family, and is even wearing a cape. I guess it’s a bit ironic, given Hercules was one of the main inspirations for Superman’s creation.
My biggest gripe with the Disney Hercules is how they did Hades dirty. Though, they did sorta fuck up Heracles entire legacy... but the Hades thing is what bothers me the most.
Right?! Other gods were out running amok, and Hades just wanted to go home to his wife and dog. He shouldn't ever have been portrayed as some kind of Pagan devil figure.
I don't know much about it but I think it's really cool to see mythology that has this concept of a dark mysterious underworld but doesn't actually demonize the god of it. It's really a very different take on concepts like death and the unknown than we're used to in modern life and I think it would've been great to introduce that new perspective to people properly
18:22 Fun fact: While there probably weren’t any action figures in Ancient Greece, there probably _were_ action figures in Ancient Rome. Roman gladiators were often treated like celebrities. They went on tours, had paintings made in their likeness and hung around the cities, and even endorsed products. Something that was also popular with the Roman’s were clay figurines, often given to children to play with. It’s not far fetched to connect these two ideas. TL;DR The Roman’s probably made Gladiator action figures for their kids
@Plague Most folks making an “everything wrong with” type of video have more to say than Cinema Sins, in actual film critique and analysis or in context and subtext
Say whatever you like about the Percy Jackson books, they did in fact completely prepare me to know the majority of these facts already. I however, didn't know that there were no elevators in Greek times. Who knew. I also really hate the whole "Hades is the big bad" plot because that literally never happens unless Hollywood changes the plot of an already written work to make Hades the villain (which has happened at least 2x). I'm wondering if it's a change that better fits with cultural norms of death being bad compared to other things like marriage. I also wonder if writers (of movies) are trying to make the idea of who is evil very simple and clear cut
Yeah, they made the movie more age appropriate for children, which were obviously the target audience. If the movie was aimed at a older age group, Hera likely would have been the villain.
what can I say about Percy Jackson books exep that it the best adaptation/contunation of greek and roman myth out there those book are greed well writen dont let bad movie influence your jugment also event if they are not for them most people agree they are good book hell I read bad books all the time and enjoys them you said a book need to be ''good'' to be enjoy and you can also hate with pasion book people think are greet I hate GRR Martin I think he cannot write good CONSITEN charater the plot come first and if he as to make a charather act out of charater he will. People dont realise he do that because there is a lot of charater and most people are not well read and when people say something is good most people will think it good because they cannot think by them self and are scare to go agains the majority also kid story can be enjoys without shame if some one laught at you liking them laught at them why should you care you have fun and they are just sad shell that try to sap your fun!!
@@JacoDeltaco I agree, many people go with the crowd nowadays and honestly can’t make their own opinions. I have a friend who’s saying something else completely, and when someone in our class disagrees, he changes his answer to “yeah that’s basically what I meant”. The Percy Jackson books were great in my opinion, both entertaining and educational.
An interesting note in the movie. Zeus says, "If you can prove yourself a true hero *on earth* your godhood will be restored." Later in the story Hercules (Heracles) does prove to be a hero, but does so in the Underworld. Which as an irony should mean he failed and was destined to die. Which is not too far from the type of thing that happens in a lot of Greek tragedies.
Perseus is not good enough for Phil, and Phil thinks getting shot is "barely nicked"? Phil better reexamine his expectations! Great video, there were a lot of things you mentioned I have not heard of before, very educational!
I mean... he actually talks about how he hoped to train a hero so great that there'd be a constellation of him, and there IS one of Perseus - right next to the princess he rescued, no less! Also, Achilles only got hit in the heel because Apollo directed the arrow there. Though, it is unfair for the people to tease Phil about it, both for that reason and because it was his mother who "missed a spot" by covering up his heel while dipping him in the Styx water.
@@JStryker47 And from what I remember too, it was a poison arrow that took Achilles out though Phil probably didn’t knew it, he was either in the back lines or got news that Achilles died by a arrow through the heel.
im in middle school and reccomended this video to my social studies teacher when learning about greek mythology. he played it to the class and everyone loved it! (including him)
This movie was probably written by Zeus & Hera's marriage counselor giving them a scenario where they were both loving parents and Zeus never committed adultery a single day in his life. And yes just imagine the myths that man could tell.
wait, if Zeus was never unfaithful to Hera, how tf are so many of the Greek gods still there hermes, Apollo and Artemis, Athena, Dyonisus, Persephone and a bunch other are all his kids with other women/goddesses
To be fair, the muses’ song where Zeus single-handedly defeated the titans could be a retelling where Zeus has embellished the story to make himself look like the greatest hero of all time. It would be in character
When I rewatched this film as an adult I realized how disgustingly inaccurate the story was and I was yelling at the screen about the Argonauts and Achilles as well as Hercules' parents situation, how they treat Hades, and many many others. However with all that being said, it's still a fantastic film that holds up on it's own very well as a separate story and the music is phenomenal
Some things you have missed; Despite Zues looking older, he's actualy the youngest of his siblings That stuff P&P made Herc drink is actually the opposite of what Heracles drank in the myth. He actyually drank Hera's breastmilk and that gave him his strength "Gladiators were Roman, not Greek" - Ferb Fletcher Hades is made out to be a devil figure in the movie. Typhon is the closest to anything Judeo-Christian devil, and he only did what he did because Gia wanted Zeus knocked down a peg I know you said that Hades wouldn't want to work with the Titans, but what reason would they work for Hades?
In some stories he's considered the eldest, and Hestia the youngest, based on when Kronos vomited them up, which would make Zeus the "oldest" (as he was never swallowed)
Hades really doesn’t seem like a bad guy based on the actual mythology. He was a good husband and a reasonable king. If u wanna bring up the “but he kidnapped Persephone “ I mean yh but her father, Zeus told him to. He really did genuinely love her and she loved him, the hole coming back to the underworld was a celebration for him because he got to see his wife again.
I interpreted it more as an anti-social guy who's been antagonised by a lot of people feeling the anxiety/panic of having a crush for this first time, and it makes him act out. Anyway, I think everybody in this channel knows that Hades is one of the only good people in Greek mythology. It's actually one of the most popular fun facts people have about Greek mythology, aside from 'Zeus was a dick'.
In my Greek Mythology class, I kind of vibe-checked him as a shy, spooky lil man and just wanted to let this beautiful girl know his feelings. Where would most people turn to? Probably family, like a parent or a sibling. So, seeing that Zeus had this experience with women, he genuinely asked him, "Hey, how can I get this girl to notice me?" and Zeus was like, "Ah, yes. Young love. Just kidnap her, bro." So, he lured her away and snatched her up. The kidnapping is an oopsie, but Hades is a genuinely loving and affectionate husband. (More than we can say about other gods.) I always say he's a goth boy who simps for his wife.
Apparently there are different tellings of the same myth so the kidnapping of Persephone doesn't have a "correct" telling. I also heard somewhere that kidnapping can be considered when a man would sleep with someone's daughter, run away with her or marry her without the father's permission to marry her first since apparently the whole "daughters are my possession and I can sell them to the highest bidder" was apparently a thing? But I have no idea if that last part is true.
@@YamiHikariHime That last part is probably true, but I do have to correct people when it comes to children being possessions since their idea of transactions was different than ours. The reason why you needed permission in the first place is to give back to the family since you're taking someone important away from them - It's pretty much compensation for taking a vital worker/stabiliser in the family. Taking even one child away could reduce the amount of things you could earn back in the day, and other cultures do this as well with men. Oh and - It's also why they have to be sold to the highest bidder. It's basically an opportunity for the family to be richer if they sold their daughter to a wealthy person.
@@phyco9635 but not for what he said about him,he did it so Phil would give herc the ”okay?” Historically ppl were punished for talking bad about Zeus,so Phil got lucky herc needed him.
One thing I just realized. Hercules seems to have gotten Achilles' hair if not entire appearance. Achilles was the one with the reddish-blond hair, which is why he took the name Pyrrha. He is also usually beardless. Whereas Heracles is almost always depicted as dark haired with a big beard.
Actually young hercules in this movie looks very much like alexander the great who fun fact was said to be descended from achilles. Also hera-cles means glory or power to hera sort of an attempt by his mother to avoid heras wrath but it obviously didnt quite work.
And to make even more confusing, Achilles appears in the animated series and looks exactly like the statues of Heracles. Black hair and a big bushy beard.
Heracles was always depicted as some massive beefy motherfucker who looked like buff brunette Santa. Happy they used an Achilles-esque design for this film, it means that there’s an extremely friendly design for kids to get around AND that there’s a more pleasing design for people to follow.
It’s quite possible that Disney’s interpretation of the Heracles myth drew from the legend of the Ismenian Dragon, as far as the location of the Lernaean Hydra goes. The Ismenian Dragon was a serpent slain by the hero Cadmus, at the Spring of Ismene which is in, you guessed it, Thebes, Greece. The Ismenian Dragon was the offspring of Ares but later turned into a dragon. This is but another example of this Disney tradition of creative liberties, just like the substitution of the Titans for Gaea’s Giants.
The buildings weren't even that big; There'd be no point in elevators. And before anyone brings up the Alexandria Lighthouse or other giant buildings those are not civilian homes.
If there's No elevator. I ain't goin to die,I'll used up all the Revive Potion my Witch best friend gave me. *(She died of Mana consumption and I was sentence to death and that lead me to here)*
From the second time he corrected the name from "Hercules" to "Heracles", in the title, I was 100% sure he was gonna correct it every single time it appeared again.
Something I think deserves mentioning also is Hades’ proclivity throughout the film to make faustian style bargains which is kind of really more of a Christian Devil thing.
Well to be fair hades was always open to strike a bargain with people but never one that could be described as faustian if anything his bargains tended to blow back in his face such as in the case of sisyphus who betrayed hades trusting nature to get an extension on his life.
@@埊 Yin and Yang never reached the 'west' during the time frame of the Romans. Humans simply like this kind of duality which evolved separately in multiple cultures yet are remarkably similar to each other.
My best guess on why the muses say "Amen" in the song "Zero to Hero" is because it rhymes with the next line of the song, and they probably couldn't think of a better word to rhyme with "again" in the writers' room.
Yeah, the biggest issue I took with this film was the time inaccuracies; Heracles is supposed to sail on the Argo with Jason and the Trojan War hasn't happened yet.
I still admire how Hades is usually depicted as this dark, strict looking man who rules the underworld, and all he wants is to be out of everyone's drama (unless we involve Persephone of course but that's a whole other story as mentioned). He's... kind of relatable?
Cerberus also might mean “spotted one”, funnily enough. It’s like Hades role as King of the Underworld was just sort of an afterthought, and he’s just some dude, despite him seemingly being created SPECIFICALLY to fill the role given how he was absent from the Mycenaean version of the mythology. He just wants to live a quiet life with his wife and dog, and it’s just beautiful.
Let's also not forget that he is also the God of Wealth. His Domain is basically everything beneath the soil. He owns all of the minerals there. He has also been said to wear armor covered in gemstones. The guy is loaded and has the most stable relationship in the Greek World. In a couple tellings of the Persephone Myth she worked with Zeus and Hades to stage the kidnapping. A lot also place most of the Blame on Zeus no matter what happens, as he his the father of the bride and ordered the abduction.
Gods of death tend to be made quite reasonable, because everyone has to die, and the people making the mythologies want to believe that they are treated fairly after dying.
Dude it would take a 30 minute video to list the amount of children Zeus has. Literally I swear half the Greek population at the time were related to Zeus
I actually have a theory: Disney's Hercules takes place in an alternate reality where the gods are good people. Without divine intervention, characters like Perceus and Theseus failed their missions which is why places like Thebes are so full of problems. Also, certain events like the Trojan War and The Odyssey happened out of order. That's why Jason and Cleopatra existed before the beginning to the film.
For what it's worth, this film was what introduced me to Greek Mythology. Learning the inconsistencies along the way just teaches you that in Hollywood, it is very difficult to be very faithful to the original version (i.e. ignoring the formula to success) and make money at the same time. It's important to note that too.
Now that you mention it, i guess you could say that this film is actually a good thing that happen because we can all learn from it mistakes and find what's true and what's not.
Yeah that is true but I feel like they changed A LOT in this version. I mean the main villain is a different person as a whole, could have at least kept that part.
Hey fun fact: in the english version, he says "a life without her, even an immortal one [would be empty]", expressing that immortality is tempting, but not tempting enough. however, they changed the wording in the german version, where he says "besonders ein unsterbliches Leben[...]", meaning 'ESPECIALLY an immortal life', giving him double the reason to turn down the offer in the german version while in the english one it sounds more like immortality would technically make him more inclined to accept the offer. neat, huh?
I remember watching the english version and being disappointed about the wording changes because the “especially” makes such a difference (sacrifice wise) but then I realized it’s probably just a culture difference as becoming immortal has to be the ultimate American dream come true but Im happy I’m not the only one who noticed it.
The only inaccurate thing that annoys me about this movie is how Hades is portrayed as evil, but hes still the best character in the movie so I'm not too butthurt.
@Dale Soulflare why not lol ancient children were certainly exposed to more complex stories. Abrahamic religion and capitalism have atrophied the human mind.
Yeah a lot of people asume every other religion and mythology has the same structure as christianity This is why you see gods like Osiris and Anubis decipted as evil despite being reslly chill people, hell Osiris is,iirc, the most central and important god in the Egyptian pantheon because Egyptians were fascinated by death and tohugh of it as a good and necesary part pf life
@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard Yea, unlike many others who find death to be the end of life the Egyptians saw it as a part of life not exactly the end or negative like the end..it was instead just the beginning of your afterlife of peace.
@@testerwulf3357 Ye, hell you could argue their "requirements" to pass into their take of a paradise was the most lax "Don't be an asshole, be kind, dont fucking rob tombs you moron" is fairly achivable imo
@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard Well, no. Your heart was weighed against a feather and if it was too heavy it got eaten by Ammit the Devourer and then whoever's heart was eaten permanently died.
Man, how can you mention Alcmene without also talking about how she’s the granddaughter of Perseus? That makes Heracles Zeus’s son and great-great-grandson at the same time.
Actually that distant a relationship is surprisingly legal in many first world countries if ever so slightly taboo. It’s also significantly less inbred than 80% of 18th century European monarchies
It's the story of Superman. Seriously, walk through it. Child of alien parents is sent to earth where he's found by the Κεντσ, a farm couple. As he grows up, he discovers he has superpowers and that he's not like the other kids (note, in the Disney version, he's not a demigod - he's Hera and Zeus' kid), has a talk with his father through a statue (hologram) and then heads out to "the big city" to find his fortunes. There he meets a strong willed and feisty woman and falls in love and pickes up a nemesis in the form of Lex Hades with his two sidekicks Otis and Miss Tessmocher.
The creators admitted they did the Superman reference on purpose. They also said they did everything to make Hercules look like a high school jock, complete with overbearing father, people-pleasing golden boy attitude, and red hair (?)
2:14, one of the most weirdly entertaining scenes in The Iliad is when Zeus tells Hera she’s better than all his other lovers and then lists all his other lovers.
Trying something new again. Let me know what you guys think. Sorry it was delayed due to copyright disputes. Trying to get the Sea of Monsters review out next. Thanks so much for all the love and support you guys send me every day!
I loved the vid, but maybe put where you got those arts from? The artist might appreciate it :D
Was this video inspired by Cinemasins "Everything wrong with" series?
I love it thanks you for delivering this content. i could imagine a video where you gave some plots, idea, wish scenario of what you want in a live action adaption of Disney Heracles has a fan of the myths
@@thebestgaminginotter4573
There are only two ways to get me on board with a live-action remake of this movie.
Great video! You should do Mulan! Mulan is my favorite Disney movie but it’s also not super accurate.
Something else strange about that zeus can't be your dad scene is that I'm pretty sure in a time in Greece it was more common to be zeus's son than being left handed
I actually think that percentage wise you're right
@@north6927 no... not a "son" of Zeus, but a "decendint" of him yes. it was sed that the initer population of sparta where long decendints of his.
@@squirrel8185 have you checked your spelling
@@animatedbirdcarcass it gets the point across that’s what matters
And yet. Amusingly. Poseidon still banged more mortals.
This movie is exactly why some people assumed that Hades was an actual bad guy. If anyhing, Zeus is more of a bad guy than he is in actual mythology.
@Elerick true
Hey, Disney doesn’t get all the credit. DC comics have been pulling this shit since the 1940s.
Not to mention the word “Hades” has been equated with the Christian “Hell” in literary texts for hundreds upon hundreds of years.
How many channels are you subbed to
Man with out a mustache?
Why you changed profile picture?
First time I've seen you misspell on a comment.
This movie has the greatest hits of mythological inaccuracies
1. Using Hercules instead of Heracles
2. Hades is evil
3. Zeus is a good person
All we're missing is the gods not bleeding Ichor.
Also Hera not being evil.
What's Ichor?
@@pifflesomepuffnadder855 basically golden magic blood
Also, Hera and Zeus being a loving couple =)
@@jamesanthony8438Hera probably hates him
"And then along came Zeus" sumerizes most if not all of Greek myths
Yup definitely
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@@JesusPlsSaveMelmao what
@@JesusPlsSaveMeYour religion has nothing to do with this discussion. We are discussing mythology, not religion.
If you want to "spread" your religion, go somewhere where Christianity is actually part of the conversation.
@@JesusPlsSaveMe while i do agree with you, that isn't what we're talking about right now, keep spreading the holy word just in the right conversation or you'll drive people away my brother/sister in christ
you forgot to mention the thing disney violated the most: they tried to make zeus look like a loving and caring father.
and that the mother of Herakles was a godess, she was not :D
I love how THATS somehow the most ridiculous thing in the entire movie.
Greek mythology is bonkers.
@@mrEtuthian he did mention that tho
how much child support is this man paying?
@@uncreative7774 considering he IS zeus, he probabley has no problem with it
I like the way Hades is always described as a bad, mean villain. But actually he’s the only one who does what he’s supposed to do and doesn’t get every living being he comes across pregnant
why did zeus do that anyway?
@@sleepy.thehuman Because he could. Ancient Greece be like that sometimes, unfortunately.
i was gonna say that zeus f everything with a 🐱 but he also had a male s slave... so yeaaa not such a nice guy like hercules (movie) makes him seem 👀
@@ItsMe-dn4fi
He's screwed animals, and people AS an animal. No, their is no limit to what he would screw.
@@sleepy.thehuman because he could... And also because ancient Greece had a... Lack of women's rights and wife respect so that translated into mythology.
Herc: "She's even more beautiful than Aphrodite"
Also Herc: *continues to be alive
Huge inaccuracy right there
Lmao
He did almost lose Meg soon after.
aphrodite seemed happy to see him at the end so idk. she's more goddess of love than jealousy and tbf he was falling in love at that point so she might've forgiven it on a technicality
@@horizonanadyomeneidk what greek mythology you read but "aphrodite is a goddess of love not jealousy" is prob exactly what all those mortals thought before dying an awful death lmao
@@horizonanadyomene Aphrodite is the prime example of that hot girl with bipolar depression. Medusa is the easiest example.aphrodite needs to be the most beautiful or hell will be paid
Forgot to mention one thing:
In the movie, It is said that that Zeus is the oldest brother and Hades is the youngest brother. But in mythology, Its the opposite
Well, It's because Zeus didn't get shallow as a baby and it was the order of Hades,Posiden, Hera, Demeter and Hestia, as they were vomited out Kronos(Not The God of War).
@@Breathofthewild-hn9mvdid cronus devour them in the womb or something. The devouring of the olympic gods still wouldnt change who was born first no?
@@Breathofthewild-hn9mvEvery baby was born normally. Hestia was born (eldest) and then swallowed. Then Demeter, then Hera, then Hades, then Poseidon. As the myth says, they all continued to grow in Kronos’s stomach. Zeus was born and not swallowed. He grew up and got his siblings vomited out. He’s still the youngest though.
One thing you forgot to mention: at the start of the movie Hades mentions Zeus gave him the job as god of the Underworld, but in reality it was a simple draw between the three gods. Hades just happened to randomly draw the Underworld, like Zeus randomly got the Sky, and Poseidon the Ocean. Zeus didn't give Hades the Underworld. Hades gave himself the Underworld.
For the most part yes. Hades chose the role simply because his brothers didn't want it and it was a necessary job. Hades technically COULD have been king of the seas, but Poseidan already chose the seas as his domain even before people in Mycanaean Greece even knew Zeus had two older brothers.
Though some versions of that story have it that Zeus cheated.
@@ordinalchaos and thats probably be for the better. Would hate to see what would the underworld would be managed under Zeus who got a serious problem managing whats below his belt.
@@jalil2985 “The deadussy making me unwise.” -Zeus
In a different story they screwed him over on purpose
Always weird that Phil didn't believe that Zeus was Hercules father at first, considering Zeus is the father of roughly 10% of greece population.
I thought he was laughing that Hercules thought being Zeus's son made him exceptional
Genghis Khan: "Rookie numbers!"
@@Nyrufa WHAT!!!
EXPLAIN. NOW.
Only 10%?!
@@heinoussage The most recent consensus for Greece's population estimates them to be around 10.67 million in size. The estimated number of living descendants who can trace their ancestry back to Genghis Khan is 16 million.
Honestly though Hera sounds like a much more interesting villain. I think they could rewrite the story into Hera being a villain in a way that would still be appropriate. They could make Hades an ally to Heracles as well given that he’d have to go to the underworld anyway due to his labors.
If we are going the revisionist route I would have made Poseidon the antagonist perhaps envious of being in Zeus’s shadow and wants to one up him. Heck in this movie the prison for the titans is depicted in the ocean or some body of water.
@@lunerblade13 That can work, it’s true Poseidon and Zeus are rivals. Heracles has had fought against the Cretan Bull, an embodiment of Poseidon’s Rage, Heracles also fought two of Poseidon’s sons with Zeus’s help, and freed a woman that was meant to be sacrificed to Poseidon. While I still think Hera would be the best villain for Heracles I can definitely see Poseidon playing a large antagonistic role.
I've always thought that the reason they went against myth and made Hercules the son of Zeus and Hera in this movie was because Disney wasn't willing to deal with children born outside of wedlock in their kids movies.
@@teheyepatch True but they could rewrite it to Hera being an angry ex, jealous sister or just not mentioning a romantic relationship.
I get the flaming hair doesnt make sense for hades, but I love his character in this movie, seeing him as an ally character would be a dream come true
"Zeus was also the father of..."
TheMythologyGuy then proceeds to start rapping.
then gandalf the grey and gandalf the white then monty python and the holy grails black knight
And Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie
Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader
Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger
Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan
Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan
All came out of nowhere lightning fast
And they kicked Chuck Norris in his cowboy ass
It was the bloodiest battle that the world ever saw
With civilians looking on in total awe
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Hades in this movie: Evil God who is evil because underworld = hell.
Hades in myths: Dour Strict Man who's stuck in a boring but important job who's trying to just live his life, and is probably annoyed at us humans because of how often we kill ourselves.
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._. Yikes poor hades mythology
Onwards brothers, we'll live forever! *dies en mass*
@@dr.bright6272
Fury: Sire the new section is full
Hades: Again?! We literally just got that built!
Fury: It seems like there's another war in the human realm and another unit of soldiers rushed to their deaths.
Hades: OH FOR FU-
@@kendiaz89 Ares: *laughs uncontrollably*
I love how they portrayed Hera as a loving mother to Heracles, even though actually she wasn't his mother, tried to kill him ruthlessly twice, made him kill his own family and interfered in one of his labors, which resulted in Hypolita's death.
Twice if I remember.
She actually DID Mother him and raise him with Athena BEFORE she found out who’s child he was. It’s supposedly where his strength came from. I don’t remember WHO told her but Athena who Didn’t know either had to sneak him out of Olympus and back to his mother and stepfather before she threw him off the mountain
@@thundahsenshi150 Hera explained simply, I don't like you. Off the mountain you go, YEET!
Heracles is also literally named after ‘Bane of Hera’, or the like
@@awesomeperson5150 glory of Hera, actually. Named after all the quests Hera made him do or to mitigate her wrath, depending on the version.
The short pause followed by "You didn't know about Iphicles, did you?" Is absolutely golden
he aculy got me there. i was one of only 3 new things i lerned from this video. most of it i all ready knew.
@@WooffzTheCoon that would be helpful if we were actually talking about Achilles but they're talking about Heracles's half brother Iphicles
@@WooffzTheCoon uh.. achillies is very different from iphicles. Iphicles is his nephew.
Time to google who iphocles is
I read he had a sister too, Laonome. Lol and she married one of Heracles’s Argo shipmates. And from the little I read he was straight ride or die type of brother literally. You brother goes insane and not only kills his family but throws your kids into a fire and you still go off with him. That takes some real loyalty.
Ares' chariot pulled by two dogs really tickles me. It's like "this is all I could afford..."
Dogs of War, get it?
apparently, even the god of war has to run on a budget sometimes 😔🙏
Technically the “He was mean as he was ruthless” part isn’t wrong, he isn’t very much of either. It would be like calling Zeus as faithful as he was mortal
yes! thank you
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Technically yes you are right
Hades wasn't mean but he didn't fuck around either.
LMAO yes
I'm convinced that Zeus himself wrote that movie script
Lmao, that fits too well
No he would never need help by a MORTAL. He would write himself to kill all the titans simultaneously blindfolded with his hands behind his back while trapped in tartarus while.
Maybe, but I feel like there'd be a lot more sex.
@@johanharmse1789 there was but Disney deleted all of that when they started production
Impossible. There's not enough sex in it
As one spanish comment once said:
"If Disney had been 5% faithful to the original mythology, Hercules wouldn't have been a family friendly movie at all"
HERACLES
HERACLES DAMNIT I PEED MY PANTS AGAIN
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@Akar42718 i know you went on with the joke but i mean the comment says “Hercules” not refering to the character but to the movie’s title.
Well If they were accurate then where was Mars I saw heracles' father but where is mars
Y'know what's crazy? This video's actually used at my school in Classics class. Mythology Guy is an offical source.
Nice
Fun fact: in Greek schools we get taught about Greek mythology as early as in third grade, which is a bit weird considering we are being taught the... less kid-friendly matters as well (i.e. Kronos swallowing his children, Zeus being ridiculously unfaithful, Herakles being manipulated into killing his family, etc.). Also, at least among Gen X-ers, Millenials and Gen Z-ers, we would read about Greek mythology from childrens' books. So from a young age even we all know at least the basics of the mythology.
Because of this, when this movie was brought to Greece, its title was translated to "Herakles: Beyond the Myth" because the translators knew that even young children would see the movie and go like "That's not how the myth goes like!", and in fact, we did go like that. I even remember as a little kid talking with friends about it and us going like "Yeah normally it didn't happen like this but the movie shows another story".
I have no idea how other cultures see this film, but most of us Greeks see it as a kind of a parody, one that we won't take too seriously but because of some great acting from the voice actors (the one for Hades, especially) we find it entertaining and it's kind of a classic, especially among mid- to late milennials.
EDIT: It's so interesting to see people from so many countries across the world say they were also taught Greek mythology at school! Though I definitely don't think we're unique in that; the main reason I mentioned our education of it is that the Greek translators of the film felt the need to add a "Beyond the Myth" in the title, and I felt it was an interesting fact to share here 😄
That's actually really interesting. I never would have thought you guys still learn about this stuff!
I heard they sort of did something similar for the Russia release for the animated Anastasia film. Since she is based off a real life Russian princess with the film taking plenty of historical liberties of her, the royal family, Tsar Nicholas II, Rasputin, and the Russian revolution, there was concern of it causing a lot of controversy in her home country, so the marketing team did there best they could in the Russian advertisements to make it look as much of historical fairly tale story as possible and downplay anything related to any real history. And it was received well from the Russian public, though it did still get some backlash from Ana’s living relatives and the Russian Orthodox church.
I'm a german who also grew up with greek mythology and I'm talking the actual myths, just without all the gruesome details, so I knew the movie didn't really align with any of them.
I always just saw it as Disney trying to make a kids movie.
There aren't a lot of child friendly greek myths, at least not that I am aware of, so of course they'd censor and rewrite a bunch of stuff, but only now, that I actually looked into Herakles a bit more, do I know just how much...
I'm from the U.S and learned about it in 4th grade. Since then I fell in love with greek mythology!!
@@silvercandra4275 I mean... there ARE a few you could easily find, and you can dumb down a lot of them to be more child friendly, but yeah....
Dude when you listed the names of the people Zeus was the father of, I LEGITIMATELY did not recognize most of them
He keeps his illegitimate kids under wraps so Hera doesn't find out 😂
I’ll bet Zeus doesn’t either
To be fair zeus has so many kids that you could actually make a OC fanfiction about it
@@Ultra_Instinct_Jaune_Arc tru that
@@TheMythologyGuy1 The directors of Hercules admitted that this Movie was made out of obligation. They originally wanted to make Treasure Planet first, but Disney hated the idea. However Disney said that if they make a film that is as marketable as Aladdin, then they can make Treasure Planet.
“And then along came Zeus!”
That singular sentence could be used in the start of almost every tale about a god/hero in Greek Mythology.
In more ways than one
So the golden films version is actually more accurate?
real😭
Or Poseidon
Along came Jones, long tall Jones, long lean, lanky Jones...
This whole time I thought that there was action figures with inflatable pectoral muscles in Ancient Greece. Thanks for clearing that up
The fact that Herc is still breathing after saying Meg is, "More beautiful than Aphrodite" is beyond me. Lol
More accurate to say it's surprising meg is still breathing as typically greek gods go after the ones they are compared to rather than the one comparing
The fact he’s not making out with a shoe
@@shadowbladeandlightin8889 well she does die about a few hours after herc says that
@@ashta6550 the fact that he didn’t fall in love with the pillar that killed Meg
*herac
you're all missing the easy Disney trope that would've worked perfect for the story of Hera being a villian: Evil Stepmom Trope.
It's literally right there and they just missed it
Ey, you're right, evil step mom would have fit in
Better answer: They were bored of Evil Stepmoms at the time and switched it up on the ONE story it would've been a faithful approach to.
This was during Disney's Renaissance Era where they first tried to subvert the classic Disney Formula. Evil Stepmom would have been too much like their Golden Age films and they wanted to seem more Progressive. That's why Megara is a Don't Need No Man character and she doesn't just fall in love with Hercules. She's an older woman whose become jaded and he is the naive young man trying to win her affection.
@@jeffreygao3956 Bored? They hadn't used the evil stepmom trope since the 50's. Also, I don't think this movie deviates from the Greek myths because the writers were ignorant. I think they simply thought the movie would be more marketable if it had more Christian elements in it. And I recall an interview where the directors said their main inspiration for this movie was Superman. And you can kinda see the Superman influences in this movie if you look closely.
@@PlanetZoidstar No. The Disney Renaissance wanted to emulate the Golden Age but with 90's political correctness. The evil stepmom trope wasn't considered outdated. In fact, it would have been quite subversive to use that trope in a male-centered movie rather than a Disney Princess movie.
And the "I don't need no man" trope started with Jasmine in Aladdin. It was popular and a guaranteed success, so they used that for Megara's character as well.
I love how he listed names of Zeus’s children for a solid 13 seconds and still ends it with “and several others.”
Time stamp: 9:38
Adding that is only his mortal children
my reaction was literally: damn, zeus was a slut
Zeus is a literal man-whore
If I counted correctly 21 names
Zeus sure gets around
I'm surprised when Hercules called Meg more beautiful than Aphrodite, Aphrodite herself didn't come down and say "What did you just say about me?" And Herc would been like "Uh oh."
I’m surprised at that too
Disney Aphrodite's nice that's why she didn't torment him.
@@jeffreygao3956 Yeah well the real Aphrodite not so much.
Hera is the archetype of evil stepmother, I’m surprised Disney didn’t capitalize on that.
Hear me out:
Evil mother bad
Guess it only works if the mc is female
Well can you really blame her ? Her husband/brother fucks everything women even his own great-great granddaughter .
@@yahikokurotama4351that makes sense considering all the other Disney movies only have evil stepmothers when the main character's a female
Who can blame her for hating the product of her husband's infidelity? Yeah it wasn't the kid's fault but still..
Hercules didn't hurt Cerberus, he's always depicted in Greek vases leaning down, putting his club aside and PETTING him. And then taking him on a leash to his mortal uncle who made him do those labors (and letting Cerberus terrify him).
Also the reason he's called Heracles (which means 'glory of Hera') was to appease her wrath. He was first named Alcides or Alcaeus.
Heracles is the latinised version of his name. Has nothing to do with appeasing hera.
The greek interpretation of the name Herakles already means glory of hera after all
@@GothPaoki He was first named Alcides but changed it to Heracles to appease Hera. Several mythological heroes had a different name when they were born (eg Priam, Achilles)
@@nenakarra2579 uh his name was never changed it was and has always been heracles
Cerberus was one of the labors, Heracles had to put a leash and capture it and bring it to hades
And you also know that before heracles obtained godhood he litterally forked a river so that he could clean the stables
The biggest issues I have with the movie is how they villainized the character who deserved it the LEAST, made Zeus a good husband (wtf), and made Hera Hercules' mother.
Yes
Zeus is literally the worst father and husband.
You mean Heracles'
Disney: we need something easy for kids to understand, easy characters
Also Disney: let’s make zues good because everyone loves Zeus and hades the bad guy because he works in the underworld
Well showing that Zeus cheated on his wife and slept with every woman he could lay his eyes upon perhaps isn't the most ideal for a Disneys kids movie.
Persephone: 🎶who put comedy in comedian?🎶
All of the underworld: 🎶h a d e s🎶
Lol
@@ultimatebishoujo29 but accurate
@@genesismultiverse4896 definitely
TO EVERYONE IN THIS CHAT:
*THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD IS DRAWING NIGH.*
REPENT TODAY AND GIVE YOUR LIFE TO JESUS TO ESCAPE ETERNAL DAMNATION!,
@@JesusPlsSaveMe Hades: fine now if you excuse me I'm gonna pet my dog
I actually like this. It has a hint of Cinema Sins inspiration... aside from the fact that the person in the video actually knows what the hell they're talking about.
edit: wow, people really don't like cinema sins. no regrets.
Literally
“When did they explain this”( 5 minutes after they explain it”)
“Too much exposition,”
Cinemasins
You.... guys do know that Cinema Sins is this thing called "satire" right? They're not *trying* to be actual critics. They have even said themselves "We're assholes, not critics."
@@majoratwili7312 even if it is satire, is it good satire?
@@corryjamieson3909 *shrug* I find it amusing as do over 9.15 million other people, it seems. They're not trying to be genuine critics. They're trying to nitpick and be petty cuz they find it funny. They do this because they *like* movies. They probably started out one day going "Hey. These movies are pretty popular. What if we decided to be needlessly nitpicky about the issues it has while making it funny?"
Hercules: "She's even more beautiful than Aphrodite”
Aphrodite: " I'll pretend I didn't hear that"
Huge inaccuracy right there
I think Arachne said something similar about Athena and got cursed
Exactly
@@abs0lut3_s0lv3ryeah sth like she was better than Athena and the gods are all ... sinful?
she said her weaving skills were better than Athena's and when they battled and were equally good, Athena got mad and turned the girl into a spider :D@@abs0lut3_s0lv3r
@Jasper_thefallenAngel yep. Never say you're better at something than the gods.
I am NOT into mythology and I know nothing about it, but I couldn't stop watching this. There's a beautiful fluency in the way that you pronounce all the Greek names. Not only is it fascinating (and you have a very pleasant voice and way of speaking), but I love the comments too. I'm just amazed that so many people are interested in Greek mythology.
Take note, Disney:
“God of the sea” does not mean a literal fish with a fork for a weapon. Still, I absolutely love that design.
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@@firstsight3429 Thank you ;)
here's i think you did a great job with Triton...... seriously Disney
@@adityasyahputra7329 *Poseidon
@@foodofthegods IIRC Triton never talked about his father
“I know this is gonna shock people, but there were actually no elevators in Greek mythology.”
Percy Jackson: *sweats nervously*
600th floor moment
It is supposed to be set in 21st century Manhatton though.
@@pen6769 Yeah, but I thought of this joke and giggled a little, so I thought people here might appreciate it too 😂
Lol
😂
Hades in Hercules: “I wanna kill everyone” hades in real mythology: *sits silently while being verbally abused by siblings*
Reminds me of my favorite depiction of Hades which is from Percy Jackson, there he's just a somber dour man who's trying to get his increasingly overcrowded realm working and when asked why he wouldn't want to kill more people, he answered that killing more people means more dead souls he has to look over and less space in the Underworld.
Reminds me of that meme where the girl says that the guy could never understand her pain while he apologizes while having a hundred weapons in his back.
I love Hades from the game Hades. He's just a grumpy old dad that's simply trying to do his job.
What I really like is how there is a big tradition of people changing the myths all the time. That's why there are so many different stories and so many different endings. So technically Disney's Hercules although it isn't accurate to the old myths that were told it is still accurate and in the ancient tradition of changing the myth to suit your needs or make the story more interesting.
Not really, Hades was quite feared by his brothers
fun fact: in the original mythology Heracles did not kill his music teacher by accident he did it on purpose because baby Heracles was a bit of a brat and the reason he killed his music teacher was because the teacher tried to discipline him with corporal punishment
Probably 25 years ago I had a conversation with a department chair at a highly respected liberal arts college. He explained that his sister worked for Disney animation and had been instrumental in the pre-production of Hercules.
Disney invited this professor (a scholar on Hercules) down to explain the stories and academic research behind the Roman and Greek myth.
He ended the story saying “they listened intently and asked lots of questions- and did whatever they wanted anyway.” Then he laughed and went to class.
Sounds like the movie myth of knights in armor getting winched onto their horses. I forget which movie started it but I guess the director really wanted to use that as a comedy element, and completely ignored his historical expert who PLEADED with him not to. And as a result, at least half a dozen other movies did it too.
Although to be fair, there are also interviews on youtube where people talk about how Disney specifically told them NOT to read the Jungle Book before/during production, and in that case I can kind of see why. It was never really a cohesive book so much as a series of somewhat connected short stories, so it would have made a terrible movie as-is. But the result is that they completely mixed up the personalities of Baloo and Bagheera and made a whole lot of contradictions with the book.
Then again, even movies that are supposedly much more connected with the book still contradict it. Peter Jackson's LOTR is riddled with contradictions, and the Hobbit is so far off it's basically fan-fic.
Hades is arguably the kindest and most reasonable of the big 3. It's so criminal that he gets the short end of the stick in tellings like these.
Maybe because he is the god underworld .disney automatically equated him to Satan or something
That is a very, very low bar to pass.
But hey, they got James Woods to voice him, which is certainly a plus.
It's because the west, and especially the us has very heavy Christian influences. God of the underworld = the devil and the underworld = hell. So god of the underworld is evil.
Mainly due to Christian influence in modern media. Any association with ruler of underworld must be evil and nefarious regardless of the actual story
Most of the things you had to say about Hades could be summed up by saying:
"Hades was NOT just Greek Satan"
I’m pretty sure Greek Satan would be Tartarus.
@@jeffreygao3956 i thought tartarus was just greek hell, as in the underworld itself
I could be wrong idk
@@mr.sniffly5297 That's only an endless pit in the Underworld-and the name of a primal god who the pit was named after. I had trouble figuring it out for a while.
Hades was just doing his job and has an actually functional marriage compare to zues and poseidon who banged all of greece
I start to confuse between Tartarus and Thanatos now
i never knew that Greece didn't have elevators! truly a in depth guide!
(19:50)
"he doesn't have his helmet of invisibility"
actually, half the movie features him wearing that (you just can't see him when he does ...)
when its not on, it has a funny side effect of making his head look like its on fire
hoho, I see what you did there
Regarding Pain and Panic, its explained in the "losely canon" cartoon series that Pain and Panic are the physical manifestations of all the negative emotions that were released when Pandora opened the Box. They have several brothers each of whom is named after the many other bad things that came out.
This probably has no ties to Greek Mythology as far as I'm aware. But I figured you might find that info interesting.
It has some truth to it, but not a lot. Some versions of the pandora story do feature manifestations of such forces being released. Nosoi (plague spirits) being one such example.
@@dylantennant6594 The Disney wiki confirmed that they are based on Deimos and Phobos.
@@orangeslash1667 That's fan-written, though, isn't it? What are their sources?
In the Disney Hercules cartoon Phobos and Demos appear as their own characters.
There are the algea, Daughters of Eris and the personifications of Pain, Grief and Distress or Trouble. But there are 1) Three of them and 2) they are barely mentioned.
Also, Phrike, the Daemon of Horror could be an Inspiration. I think she might even belong to the spirits Pandora freed. Nur still, it Sounds unlikely.
The genuine fear and panic in his voice after "More beautiful than Aphrodite" is funny.
Well Aphrodite can be quite vain, short-tempered and jealous of somebody including Eos and Psyche. Aphrodite also cheated her husband Haphaestus with various affairs which is Dionysus, Adonis, Brutus, Poseidon, Ares, Hermes, Zeus and Anchises. She's also said to be the one who caused The Trojan War. Aphrodite also make the women on the island of Lemnos smell so bad that the husband choose the slave girls which causes the women kill the men.
@@huzaimahsulaiman7240she would instantly kill Heracules
@@dr.bright6272 Heracles
@@huzaimahsulaiman7240 thanks
@@huzaimahsulaiman7240 pray to her that she wont come after your ass after she reads that
As someone from Greece I’m very thankful for you making this video
I am always fascinated by how Hades is described as bad while he's basically the only sane god out there ...
And he's not a "satan" figure -- he's just in charge of the dead. Not his fault his office is boring.
@@lefantomer The closest thing we have to Greek Satan is Typhon. And the closest thing to a Greek God of Death is Thanatos (he controls the die)
Yeah. Hades is actually really chill in mythology.
@@naughtymelon6712 But they always gotta have their "satan" figure, and his is the only name the ignoramuses have ever heard.
Yes because “king of the underworld” MUST mean he’s like satan because that’s who also rules the underworld in Christian mythos it all makes sense!
Considering the things they "DID" get right, it's clear someone did their research. I can imagine that same someone in the writer's room just ripping their hair out when someone said, "let's put pegasus in there"
Hell watch the TV series. It is chock full of references and such ofmythology and history. Hell at one point they even used the name of an actual article of ancient Greek clothing. I honestly had never heard of the name of until the same year I rewatched the series a year or so after D+ became a thing.
@@jacquelineking5783 the only problem with the TV Series is that it’s not canon to the movies, due to Hades in the movie not knowing Hercules is still alive, but Hades in the TV series did.
@@robbiewalker2831 The TV version of events makes more sense anyways since if Hades is the archenemy of Hercules, then Hades would DEFINITELY be keeping tabs enough to know that Hercules survived.
@@jeffreygao3956. I heard a lot of people say, the Underworld is big, and hades is so busy that he has to delegate that work. Did he in the myths?
@@erikbihari3625 As far as I'm aware, it's just confirmed to be Thanatos bringing the dead, Cerberus guarding the entrance, and Charon manning the ferry.
"More beautiful than aphrodite?"
Made me nearly have a heart attack and look around in fear. Woman is crazy evil and petty.
And now she'll kill YOU.
Why isn't Aphrodite ever a villain in these Greek mythology movies again?
@@jeffreygao3956 Idk
If you were the god of love and beauty and a mortal said they were your better, you'd be pissed too.
Though it happens the a lot with Aphrodite as most greek tragedies depicted the people as "the most' attractive
A few Gods acted this way, when their domain was challenged by mortals. Athena and Arachne. Apollo and Marsyas. Zeus and Salmoneus
@@jeffreygao3956 maybe because love is seen as positive thing
This is exactly the level of pedantry I have bouncing around in my head at all time, I throughly enjoyed it
"Along came Zeus" yeah that's how a lot of ancient myths and dramas started
Disney is known for sugar coating the core stories. With this story, they buried it in 100kg of sugar
Along came zeus he shot his thunderbolt right down in her vault
It makes sense bcz it won't very kid friendly if they showed Zeus cheating on hera
100kg isn't enough if you compared this to some of the messed up shit in greek mythology. Good example is the creation of the minotaur.
@@frozenduck23 OH GOD NO PLEASE I DONT WANNA REMEMBER
Disney is able to take a pedophilic ice witch and turn her into the main character of their movie.
Hades in Hollywood: *I’M EVIL, I WANT EVERYONE TO DIE!!!*
Hades in actual mythology: please just leave me alone with the only people I love in the world…
Introverts are SO evil that disney had to make a movie about it 😅
@wargames tell me about where you had a sense of humor
And a!so if you want to revive somebody then ok just ask
Also Hades:” I know! You know, I know!”
@wargames your sense of humor still sucks
Perseus is literally the greatest hero that Phil talks about, even has a damn constellation of his own AND a happy ending, WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT IN A HERO???
I would guess the Disney Perseus is that statue Medusa(who’s nice in the Hercules TV series) shifted into the light. Meanwhile, Jason, Odysseus, Achilles, and Theseus seem fine in the series so I would just guess Phil’s a terrible teacher.
You just can't please some people.
Evidently Phil has extremely high standards
An h in the name
well odysseus also eventually got a happy ending
This just felt like watching the movie again with the “um actually” friend but in the best way haha Thanks for the lore 🧡
I believe that one of the reasons they chose to make Hades the bad guy instead of Hera was to drift away from the old Disney formula of having the stepmother as the villain
idk about that.
I think they just wanted to make the movie more marketable.
they just went hell = bad, hades must be the bad guy!
Also hades and underworld seem similar to devil and hell
@@SuperKing604 Except Satan is pure evil, and in my eyes, especially taking the story of Prometheus into account, Hades is more moral than Zeus.
Hades makes up for a good villain, I think it was the right call.
On the delivery of Cerberus, wasn't it a demand of Hades that Cerberus NOT be harmed during Heracles' attempt to tame him and that was the only way Hades would let him take him out of the underworld? How can you even think about depicting Hades as the bad guy when his one demand is to NOT hurt his doggo?!
and not take his wife.
@@mariustan9275 considering what Greek gods and demigods were doing that is actually the most needed demand.
And there is evidence that Cerberus in Greek means spotted so the guy named his dog spot
Hades = John Wick ;)
From Overly Sarcastic Production's video, Hades didn't exactly state that Heracles couldn't harm Cerberus but he does say that Heracles has to capture Cerberus without using weapons, which is just fine by him.
And apparently Heracles shoots Hades afterwards with no recorded reason for it, so that's a missing piece of the story.
i really like how this is less "this movie is dumb and wrong lmao" and more "hey, listen to these cool mythology facts!"
yeah, there were no elevators in greek mythology
Nah, it’s more so the former
I still think its dumb but not cause of the inaccuracies
Wait, so it's real there's no elevator or heracles figure with pectoral muscle on greek mythology?
@@FramesJanco505 the man stated that he loves this movie so its definitely the latter lmfao
During the scene right after Hercules talked with Zeus saying he still needed to be a true hero, Phil does actually reference more of the 12 labours with the Augean Stables and the Girdle of Hippolyte- "At 1:00, you got a meeting with King Augeas. He's got a problem with his stables. I'd advise you not to wear your new sandals. At 3:00, you gotta get a girdle from some Amazons."
Right, but they weren't actually done on screen.
HERAKLESE
*Zeus:* "Who are you?
"I am your son."
*Zeus:* "Do you have the slightest idea of how little that narrows it down?"
Zeus : ''Who isn't?''
I mean tbh even with a name of his mother Zeus would still not know exactly which victim he Zeus juiced in particular
@@nordlichedonner zeus juiced is now my new favorite frase
“Which one?”
Hera: who’s there?
“Saw heracles”: come here you bastard “while bringing out an knife”.
Also Fun fact: In one version of Heracles's story I've read, it was actually Hera who granted him his power. By accident of course. Story said that when he was born, his big sister Athena was worried for him, so at the dark of night, she took him from his crib and carried him to Olympus. There, she handed him to Hera, telling her he is a poor hungry baby. Hera was moved and not recognizing him as Alceides (birth name of Heracles), she let him suck from her breast. Milk gave Heracles power and immortality, but he sucked to hard. Hera pulled him away so hard it caused her milk to spill across the sky, creating Milky Way. Athena then quickly grabbed baby Alceides and carried him back his crib, calm now, since Hera could not do anything to actually kill her baby half brother.
And another fun fact: While Heracles was certainly a hero and very kind to his friends, willing to go to extreme lengths for them, he was also very ruthless and aggressive. Especially if someone offended him, then Hades might as well be preparing another space in underworld.
And a bonus fun fact: Heracles's name means "Glory to Hera" or "Glory of Hera".
I love that his mother was like, "Crap, Hera's gonna kill us when she finds out I had Zeus' kid. Maybe if I name him after her she won't mind."
@@vixencaw7551 that’s the one I read
I was genuinely surprised at the Milky Way fact... Damn.
I think you’re confusing fun facts with general Greek mythology.
@@vixencaw7551 that is pretty much exactly the explaination.
The Heracles/Hercules misconception has the same energy as the “Frankenstein was the doctor not the monster” correction
The Hercules/Heracles thing is a lot less annoying because at least they’re the same person.
That's like comparing apples to oranges, bro... one they are confusing one character for another, in this one they are just using the characters name in the wrong language for the time period/story. The Greeks called him Heracles (Ancient Greek), and when the Romans took over the Greeks and assimilated their gods, they called him "Hercules" (Latin). But same guy. Point is, there was no "Hercules" when this story happened, because the Romans and their takeover was far away in the future. That's all. I think personally they used the Latin version because it's more recognizable to US audiences (Who can forget the fat kid clapping and saying "Hercules! Hercules!" lol).
@@kmore2766 It was him flexing and his mother saying ‘Hercules’
@@roronoalaw7772 lol thanks. I just remember clapping and Hercules Hercules
and actual Frankenstein wasnt even a doctor! he was a college dropout
Watching this video, I’m just now realizing how many Superman elements Disney wove into this. Boy arrives from a world above the heavens, is adopted by a kindly pastoral couple, is told his backstory through a symbol associated with his birth family, and is even wearing a cape. I guess it’s a bit ironic, given Hercules was one of the main inspirations for Superman’s creation.
Fun fact, Hebe is the daughter of Zeus and Hera. So not only did Heracles marry his half-sister, but the daughter of the Goddess who drive him insane.
Hopefully at that point, he forgave Hera.
@@jeffreygao3956 hebe was the peace offering as far as i know. It marked the end of the rivalry but idk if it was all forgive and forget lol
@@princessatellaluma I'm too terrified to find out.
@@Nameless82284 You think King Zeus cares?!
@@Nameless82284 Yes they are.
My biggest gripe with the Disney Hercules is how they did Hades dirty. Though, they did sorta fuck up Heracles entire legacy... but the Hades thing is what bothers me the most.
Right?! Other gods were out running amok, and Hades just wanted to go home to his wife and dog. He shouldn't ever have been portrayed as some kind of Pagan devil figure.
While portrayed as a villain in the movie, he somehow was still the most loveable character, so they got that right at least lol
I don't know much about it but I think it's really cool to see mythology that has this concept of a dark mysterious underworld but doesn't actually demonize the god of it. It's really a very different take on concepts like death and the unknown than we're used to in modern life and I think it would've been great to introduce that new perspective to people properly
@@meemp.2826 That's true for most mythologies, tho.
@@lucienfortner841 they really messed this movie up. I think Percy Jackson is even more accurate than this poop.
the ‘WHOA HEY’ at the Aphrodite thing was filled with the distress of a man who has seen the horrors of Greek mythology
She's the goddess of beauty not Mercy lol.
She is actually very vengeful
"more beautiful than Aphrodite"
*A p h r o d i t e h a s e n t e r e d t h e c h a t*
I love how you prefaced this with, "I love this movie", and then utterly dissected it for being horribly inaccurate every couple of seconds
18:22
Fun fact:
While there probably weren’t any action figures in Ancient Greece, there probably _were_ action figures in Ancient Rome.
Roman gladiators were often treated like celebrities. They went on tours, had paintings made in their likeness and hung around the cities, and even endorsed products.
Something that was also popular with the Roman’s were clay figurines, often given to children to play with. It’s not far fetched to connect these two ideas.
TL;DR
The Roman’s probably made Gladiator action figures for their kids
As he is called Hercules in the movie, so the Roman version there could reasonably be action figures of Hercules though not of heracles
@Plague Most folks making an “everything wrong with” type of video have more to say than Cinema Sins, in actual film critique and analysis or in context and subtext
Another fun fact: Hercules was the patron god of gladiators, so he actually did put the "glad" in gladiator!
Lol depending on age they would be broken in an instant.
@@michaelpfeiffer2787 action figures also frequently break due to kids being little monsters lol
Say whatever you like about the Percy Jackson books, they did in fact completely prepare me to know the majority of these facts already. I however, didn't know that there were no elevators in Greek times. Who knew. I also really hate the whole "Hades is the big bad" plot because that literally never happens unless Hollywood changes the plot of an already written work to make Hades the villain (which has happened at least 2x). I'm wondering if it's a change that better fits with cultural norms of death being bad compared to other things like marriage. I also wonder if writers (of movies) are trying to make the idea of who is evil very simple and clear cut
Yeah, they made the movie more age appropriate for children, which were obviously the target audience. If the movie was aimed at a older age group, Hera likely would have been the villain.
It gets changed to fit more with Christian beliefs. Hades in these shows is basically Satan.
@@Andrew-yr6ig which ticks me off because the underworld was not synonymous with hell in the myths, it was just the house of the dead.
what can I say about Percy Jackson books exep that it the best adaptation/contunation of greek and roman myth out there
those book are greed well writen dont let bad movie influence your jugment
also event if they are not for them most people agree they are good book
hell I read bad books all the time and enjoys them you said a book need to be ''good'' to be enjoy and you can also hate with pasion book people think are greet I hate GRR Martin I think he cannot write good CONSITEN charater the plot come first and if he as to make a charather act out of charater he will. People dont realise he do that because there is a lot of charater and most people are not well read and when people say something is good most people will think it good because they cannot think by them self and are scare to go agains the majority
also kid story can be enjoys without shame if some one laught at you liking them laught at them why should you care you have fun and they are just sad shell that try to sap your fun!!
@@JacoDeltaco I agree, many people go with the crowd nowadays and honestly can’t make their own opinions. I have a friend who’s saying something else completely, and when someone in our class disagrees, he changes his answer to “yeah that’s basically what I meant”. The Percy Jackson books were great in my opinion, both entertaining and educational.
An interesting note in the movie. Zeus says, "If you can prove yourself a true hero *on earth* your godhood will be restored." Later in the story Hercules (Heracles) does prove to be a hero, but does so in the Underworld. Which as an irony should mean he failed and was destined to die. Which is not too far from the type of thing that happens in a lot of Greek tragedies.
Zeus would say "Stupid rule, amend it!"
I love the: ""What si THAT and WHERE did it come from"
Perseus is not good enough for Phil, and Phil thinks getting shot is "barely nicked"? Phil better reexamine his expectations!
Great video, there were a lot of things you mentioned I have not heard of before, very educational!
I guess when Herakles takes the backhand smack from the hydra and survives the toxic breath he could take we more than Perseus and Achilles
I mean... he actually talks about how he hoped to train a hero so great that there'd be a constellation of him, and there IS one of Perseus - right next to the princess he rescued, no less!
Also, Achilles only got hit in the heel because Apollo directed the arrow there. Though, it is unfair for the people to tease Phil about it, both for that reason and because it was his mother who "missed a spot" by covering up his heel while dipping him in the Styx water.
To be fair the guy trains gods so an arrow shouldn't be considered much
@@JStryker47 And from what I remember too, it was a poison arrow that took Achilles out though Phil probably didn’t knew it, he was either in the back lines or got news that Achilles died by a arrow through the heel.
im in middle school and reccomended this video to my social studies teacher when learning about greek mythology. he played it to the class and everyone loved it! (including him)
Well that’s AWESOME to hear!
Same
For what I see, it's a bit like learning American history from Winnetou books.
This movie was probably written by Zeus & Hera's marriage counselor giving them a scenario where they were both loving parents and Zeus never committed adultery a single day in his life.
And yes just imagine the myths that man could tell.
the literal catchphrase of most greek myths is "unfortunately, Zeus was horni"
that counselor must have one hell of an imagination
And hades ended up R@ping every women he saw
wait, if Zeus was never unfaithful to Hera, how tf are so many of the Greek gods still there
hermes, Apollo and Artemis, Athena, Dyonisus, Persephone and a bunch other are all his kids with other women/goddesses
Well, just pretend they were all Zeus and Hera’s kids
I think Zeus was narrating
Greek mythology is insane 😮
To be fair, the muses’ song where Zeus single-handedly defeated the titans could be a retelling where Zeus has embellished the story to make himself look like the greatest hero of all time. It would be in character
Also, the Muses are his daughters, so it would make MORE sense that way.
@@TheBlueMarbleNationalist yeah
When I rewatched this film as an adult I realized how disgustingly inaccurate the story was and I was yelling at the screen about the Argonauts and Achilles as well as Hercules' parents situation, how they treat Hades, and many many others. However with all that being said, it's still a fantastic film that holds up on it's own very well as a separate story and the music is phenomenal
Modern/modernist movies tend to really dislike Hades. People tend to equate death with evil
@@calebleach7988 and most people nowadays see him a cute emo boy
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 you are not *not* wrong
@@calebleach7988 And the modern Christianization of mythological religions tends to equate chthonic gods with *literal satan*
Heracles
Some things you have missed;
Despite Zues looking older, he's actualy the youngest of his siblings
That stuff P&P made Herc drink is actually the opposite of what Heracles drank in the myth. He actyually drank Hera's breastmilk and that gave him his strength
"Gladiators were Roman, not Greek" - Ferb Fletcher
Hades is made out to be a devil figure in the movie. Typhon is the closest to anything Judeo-Christian devil, and he only did what he did because Gia wanted Zeus knocked down a peg
I know you said that Hades wouldn't want to work with the Titans, but what reason would they work for Hades?
Plus they combined Megara and Megaera
Romans are just greek weebs
In some stories he's considered the eldest, and Hestia the youngest, based on when Kronos vomited them up, which would make Zeus the "oldest" (as he was never swallowed)
plus the muses are black gospel people from america...
@@pixelfairy6128 like in the Iliad
This is probably the only video I can watch every other day and not get bored of it
Hades really doesn’t seem like a bad guy based on the actual mythology. He was a good husband and a reasonable king. If u wanna bring up the “but he kidnapped Persephone “ I mean yh but her father, Zeus told him to. He really did genuinely love her and she loved him, the hole coming back to the underworld was a celebration for him because he got to see his wife again.
I interpreted it more as an anti-social guy who's been antagonised by a lot of people feeling the anxiety/panic of having a crush for this first time, and it makes him act out.
Anyway, I think everybody in this channel knows that Hades is one of the only good people in Greek mythology. It's actually one of the most popular fun facts people have about Greek mythology, aside from 'Zeus was a dick'.
In my Greek Mythology class, I kind of vibe-checked him as a shy, spooky lil man and just wanted to let this beautiful girl know his feelings. Where would most people turn to? Probably family, like a parent or a sibling. So, seeing that Zeus had this experience with women, he genuinely asked him, "Hey, how can I get this girl to notice me?" and Zeus was like, "Ah, yes. Young love. Just kidnap her, bro." So, he lured her away and snatched her up.
The kidnapping is an oopsie, but Hades is a genuinely loving and affectionate husband. (More than we can say about other gods.) I always say he's a goth boy who simps for his wife.
@@kiwuwuwu I love how even when Hades does an oopsie Itls still Zeus' fault
Apparently there are different tellings of the same myth so the kidnapping of Persephone doesn't have a "correct" telling. I also heard somewhere that kidnapping can be considered when a man would sleep with someone's daughter, run away with her or marry her without the father's permission to marry her first since apparently the whole "daughters are my possession and I can sell them to the highest bidder" was apparently a thing?
But I have no idea if that last part is true.
@@YamiHikariHime That last part is probably true, but I do have to correct people when it comes to children being possessions since their idea of transactions was different than ours. The reason why you needed permission in the first place is to give back to the family since you're taking someone important away from them - It's pretty much compensation for taking a vital worker/stabiliser in the family. Taking even one child away could reduce the amount of things you could earn back in the day, and other cultures do this as well with men.
Oh and - It's also why they have to be sold to the highest bidder. It's basically an opportunity for the family to be richer if they sold their daughter to a wealthy person.
14:02 Here’s another thing that’s historically inaccurate: Realistically, if Phil was blabbering all this stuff about Zeus he would get smitied right?
I mean.. He _does._
Almost immediately after he gets zapped with lightning lol
Actually, that might be one of the only accurate things this movie has because he does lol
"More beautiful than aphrodite?"
WOAH, you cannot go saying that. Usually it will get you killed. Or worse. Usually worse.
@@phyco9635 yeah but he wouldn’t have survived if it wasn’t Disney lol
@@phyco9635 but not for what he said about him,he did it so Phil would give herc the ”okay?”
Historically ppl were punished for talking bad about Zeus,so Phil got lucky herc needed him.
One thing I just realized. Hercules seems to have gotten Achilles' hair if not entire appearance. Achilles was the one with the reddish-blond hair, which is why he took the name Pyrrha. He is also usually beardless. Whereas Heracles is almost always depicted as dark haired with a big beard.
Actually young hercules in this movie looks very much like alexander the great who fun fact was said to be descended from achilles. Also hera-cles means glory or power to hera sort of an attempt by his mother to avoid heras wrath but it obviously didnt quite work.
And to make even more confusing, Achilles appears in the animated series and looks exactly like the statues of Heracles. Black hair and a big bushy beard.
Heracles was always depicted as some massive beefy motherfucker who looked like buff brunette Santa. Happy they used an Achilles-esque design for this film, it means that there’s an extremely friendly design for kids to get around AND that there’s a more pleasing design for people to follow.
@@spirit8296 oh sure, I'm not saying they should have stuck with the original design and totally understand the decision.
It’s quite possible that Disney’s interpretation of the Heracles myth drew from the legend of the Ismenian Dragon, as far as the location of the Lernaean Hydra goes.
The Ismenian Dragon was a serpent slain by the hero Cadmus, at the Spring of Ismene which is in, you guessed it, Thebes, Greece.
The Ismenian Dragon was the offspring of Ares but later turned into a dragon.
This is but another example of this Disney tradition of creative liberties, just like the substitution of the Titans for Gaea’s Giants.
"There were actually no elevators in greek mythology!"
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
The buildings weren't even that big; There'd be no point in elevators. And before anyone brings up the Alexandria Lighthouse or other giant buildings those are not civilian homes.
If there's No elevator.
I ain't goin to die,I'll used up all the Revive Potion my Witch best friend gave me.
*(She died of Mana consumption and I was sentence to death and that lead me to here)*
I was more surprised that there were no Karate Kid references in Greek mythology. Although I swear that that there was one.
From the second time he corrected the name from "Hercules" to "Heracles", in the title, I was 100% sure he was gonna correct it every single time it appeared again.
AND BOY, DID HE!
Something I think deserves mentioning also is Hades’ proclivity throughout the film to make faustian style bargains which is kind of really more of a Christian Devil thing.
Well to be fair hades was always open to strike a bargain with people but never one that could be described as faustian if anything his bargains tended to blow back in his face such as in the case of sisyphus who betrayed hades trusting nature to get an extension on his life.
@@zaltaintheshade8225 Or other bargains that end up terribly because the other person did an oopsie (Orpheus)
That’s the thing isn’t it, it’s a Christian story featuring God and the Devil, reskinned into an Ancient Greek setting.
@@intergalactic92 and god and devil is yet another literation of Yin and Yang?
@@埊 Yin and Yang never reached the 'west' during the time frame of the Romans. Humans simply like this kind of duality which evolved separately in multiple cultures yet are remarkably similar to each other.
My best guess on why the muses say "Amen" in the song "Zero to Hero" is because it rhymes with the next line of the song, and they probably couldn't think of a better word to rhyme with "again" in the writers' room.
The way he's so triggered "THE TROJAN WAR HAS NOT HAPPENED YET" and "HERA CLES" is hilarious and relatable
Yeah, the biggest issue I took with this film was the time inaccuracies; Heracles is supposed to sail on the Argo with Jason and the Trojan War hasn't happened yet.
If is good
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I still admire how Hades is usually depicted as this dark, strict looking man who rules the underworld, and all he wants is to be out of everyone's drama (unless we involve Persephone of course but that's a whole other story as mentioned). He's... kind of relatable?
Cerberus also might mean “spotted one”, funnily enough. It’s like Hades role as King of the Underworld was just sort of an afterthought, and he’s just some dude, despite him seemingly being created SPECIFICALLY to fill the role given how he was absent from the Mycenaean version of the mythology.
He just wants to live a quiet life with his wife and dog, and it’s just beautiful.
Let's also not forget that he is also the God of Wealth. His Domain is basically everything beneath the soil. He owns all of the minerals there. He has also been said to wear armor covered in gemstones. The guy is loaded and has the most stable relationship in the Greek World. In a couple tellings of the Persephone Myth she worked with Zeus and Hades to stage the kidnapping. A lot also place most of the Blame on Zeus no matter what happens, as he his the father of the bride and ordered the abduction.
I remembered the Hades roguelike
He's like King Yemma, big guy stuck on a desk doing paperwork cuz dead people
Gods of death tend to be made quite reasonable, because everyone has to die, and the people making the mythologies want to believe that they are treated fairly after dying.
Truuuue
9:40 I like how you ended The listing of Zeus’ children with “and several others,” like you realized the list was getting way too long as is.
Dude it would take a 30 minute video to list the amount of children Zeus has. Literally I swear half the Greek population at the time were related to Zeus
It’ll probably be bigger than the dictionary
@@user-AAAA978 dude was a baller
@@user-AAAA978 Man was on a roll
The fact he listed that many, followed by "many others" and those being the NON GODS showed just how poorly Zeus kept it in his robe
I actually have a theory: Disney's Hercules takes place in an alternate reality where the gods are good people.
Without divine intervention, characters like Perceus and Theseus failed their missions which is why places like Thebes are so full of problems. Also, certain events like the Trojan War and The Odyssey happened out of order. That's why Jason and Cleopatra existed before the beginning to the film.
For what it's worth, this film was what introduced me to Greek Mythology. Learning the inconsistencies along the way just teaches you that in Hollywood, it is very difficult to be very faithful to the original version (i.e. ignoring the formula to success) and make money at the same time. It's important to note that too.
Now that you mention it, i guess you could say that this film is actually a good thing that happen because we can all learn from it mistakes and find what's true and what's not.
An original version would have made far more success but it wouldn’t be appropriate for a kid’s movie
Yeah that is true but I feel like they changed A LOT in this version. I mean the main villain is a different person as a whole, could have at least kept that part.
Hey fun fact: in the english version, he says "a life without her, even an immortal one [would be empty]", expressing that immortality is tempting, but not tempting enough. however, they changed the wording in the german version, where he says "besonders ein unsterbliches Leben[...]", meaning 'ESPECIALLY an immortal life', giving him double the reason to turn down the offer in the german version while in the english one it sounds more like immortality would technically make him more inclined to accept the offer. neat, huh?
I remember watching the english version and being disappointed about the wording changes because the “especially” makes such a difference (sacrifice wise) but then I realized it’s probably just a culture difference as becoming immortal has to be the ultimate American dream come true but Im happy I’m not the only one who noticed it.
Zeus: trust me, there are plenty of women out there
Hera: _Zeus I swear-_
The only inaccurate thing that annoys me about this movie is how Hades is portrayed as evil, but hes still the best character in the movie so I'm not too butthurt.
@Dale Soulflare why not lol ancient children were certainly exposed to more complex stories. Abrahamic religion and capitalism have atrophied the human mind.
Yeah a lot of people asume every other religion and mythology has the same structure as christianity
This is why you see gods like Osiris and Anubis decipted as evil despite being reslly chill people, hell Osiris is,iirc, the most central and important god in the Egyptian pantheon because Egyptians were fascinated by death and tohugh of it as a good and necesary part pf life
@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard Yea, unlike many others who find death to be the end of life the Egyptians saw it as a part of life not exactly the end or negative like the end..it was instead just the beginning of your afterlife of peace.
@@testerwulf3357 Ye, hell you could argue their "requirements" to pass into their take of a paradise was the most lax
"Don't be an asshole, be kind, dont fucking rob tombs you moron" is fairly achivable imo
@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard Well, no. Your heart was weighed against a feather and if it was too heavy it got eaten by Ammit the Devourer and then whoever's heart was eaten permanently died.
As a greek myth nerd and also someone who watched this movie picking out every innaccuracy i could find, i absolutely love this.
Man, how can you mention Alcmene without also talking about how she’s the granddaughter of Perseus? That makes Heracles Zeus’s son and great-great-grandson at the same time.
Zeus wouldn’t care either way
*SWEET HOME ALABAMA*
@@shadowdroid776 greek mythology is just finding out all the gods enjoy incest lmao
Zeus married his sister. He’s not going to have any problems with that.
Actually that distant a relationship is surprisingly legal in many first world countries if ever so slightly taboo. It’s also significantly less inbred than 80% of 18th century European monarchies
It's the story of Superman. Seriously, walk through it. Child of alien parents is sent to earth where he's found by the Κεντσ, a farm couple. As he grows up, he discovers he has superpowers and that he's not like the other kids (note, in the Disney version, he's not a demigod - he's Hera and Zeus' kid), has a talk with his father through a statue (hologram) and then heads out to "the big city" to find his fortunes. There he meets a strong willed and feisty woman and falls in love and pickes up a nemesis in the form of Lex Hades with his two sidekicks Otis and Miss Tessmocher.
Heck, that Underworld even looks like Apokolips!
Linsey Ellis described it as Superman combined with Rocky
The creators admitted they did the Superman reference on purpose. They also said they did everything to make Hercules look like a high school jock, complete with overbearing father, people-pleasing golden boy attitude, and red hair (?)
Hades Luthor
2:14, one of the most weirdly entertaining scenes in The Iliad is when Zeus tells Hera she’s better than all his other lovers and then lists all his other lovers.
😂😂😂 TELL ME HE DIDNT!!!!!!
@@that1nerd756 he did.
@@matityaloran9157 oh no 🗿💀😭
IN WHAT RHAPSODY LMAO
Men have nothing but audacity 😂
I love your videos. You legitimately taught me so much about mythology. I hope that you will prosper, good sir.