Now here's a roast for you, Alan looks like a tomato that fell on the ground before it could ripen and grew fungui on top, while John overall is shaped like a potato Of course all of this is greatly over-exaggerated, your hair actually looks good on both of you, and your overall likeableness *immensely* overwrites your mediocre looks (ha! Got you!)
I think it’s important to note that Megamind didn’t assume Bernard’s identity to get with Roxanne - he just didn’t want to be caught mourning Metroman in his fluffy jammies. And I think he continued to hang out with her because he never really had a friend outside of Minion and . . . whatever Metroman was to him. Falling in love was a complete accident.
My uncle once summed up the entire argument thusly: Good people will never have to say they are good people. Their actions will say it for them. Nice people will tell you at every opportunity that they are nice but won’t show an ounce of being good.
True. When people say "you're such a kind person, or you're so nice" to me, I'm always surprised. I mean I try to treat people the way I want to be treated, but I don't go babbling about being nice, it just kind of happens, I guess
@@TimedRevolver and vice versa if your saying you aren’t things like I’m not racist or something. You don’t need to say it if you aren’t that thing you existing is proving that your not that thing or that you are that thing
I love how she isn't scared when Megamind kidnaps her, not just because he's predictable but because she knows he won't actually hurt her. He just uses her to fight Metroman. But with Hal she's horrified because she knows he could and would actually hurt her
@@ShatteredQvartz Definitely. I think Metroman was selfish when Hal got powers and was threatening the entire city, killing people, and taking everyone hostage, and Metroman had the power to stop him but literally decided to just do nothing.
"I do not want to live in a world where we have 3 despicable me's... and only one megamind" And in the corner of a room, nestled deep in a drawer, tucked away in a dusty box, a single finger on a monkey's paw curled.
I like the theory that MetroMan chose to be a Music Man because music is something his powers can´t help him with. He has to learn how to play instruments on his own, just like any other human, and that challenge for him is refreshing.
interesting that they brought up the good place as well, because michael an immortal being ends up taking guitar lessons after trying to master it for like 300 eternities
That's literally what Metroman is talking about. He says he's good at everything except music but society forces him to be a superhero so he cant have a choice yet
One thing that made me fall in love with megamind it's how they dodge the "Oh you saved me and now I'm in love with you" superhero cliche and I'm so glad
@@trinaq exactly. By the end of the film, Roxie has realized that Bernard is who Megamind really is, and she came to know and care for him on that level. Once he was able to escape the trappings of trying to be the villain, he was free to be himself
Don't look at it as you're disappointed we didn't get more Megamind. Look at it as you don't live in the timeline where Megamind was ruined by tons of terrible sequels. Please stop commenting "This aged poorly." I know. another 50 people telling me won't make me know it any more than I already do.
True. But to be fair, this is Dreamworks. The ones responsible for Shrek 2, Kung Fu Panda 2, and How to Train Your Dragon 2. Not a guarantee, but the chances are good, I'd say.
Tighten:" This is the last time you make a fool out of me." Megamind:" I made you a hero. You did the fool thing all by yourself. " I just love that bit.
There’s something that I always thought was interesting with this movie. When Roxanne is with Megamind in the beginning, when she was “in danger” and waiting for Metroman to save her, she wasn’t scared in the slightest. However, when she was with Hal, she was genuinely terrified of what he would do. It just goes to show how the “Nice Guy” Syndrome is a real problem for anyone.
I saw that scene with megamind and roxanne as she wasn't afraid because she's been kidnapped by him many times and she knew that metroman would beat him and that megamind was a predictable idiot who is most likely reusing some of his past traps. Hal however was someone/something "new". something that she knew megamind had been working on but not titan's purpose she didn't know if he was good or bad but since megamind was working on him he was probably bad. also his actions seemed unpredictable (one moment flowers the next highway dropping) she only found out when she was on the tower that he was hal.
@@stephwong6422 Yes, but she is also scared/frightened when he asks her out to his appartment as Hal at the beginning, she politely says no multiple times while being uncomfortable when in contrast the "kidnapping" scene is played out jokingly without stakes.
I mean it gets really bland if you get kidnapped by the same guy to the same place,with the same tricks for a LOT of times,on the other hand,Hal is a total stranger to her,so she doesn't know what hal might do or what Hal WOULD do if he gets pissed,plus he's being creepy af
A detail I love is that when Megamind captures Roxane she really doesn’t care and is calm because she knows that Megamind won’t hurt her, but when Titan captures her she is terrified because Titan will actually kill her
Yeah, his reason for capturing her makes her more a close-up audience to the shenanigans he pulls with Minion against Metroman than an actual bargaining chip. He has no deliberate need to hurt her, though he does try to make her SCARED of the danger, not him.
Exactly. It even shows their mindsets in a way--Titan tosses her around like a rag doll with no concern for her safety or terror; there's a creepy sense of "I could coerce her to touch me if she's afraid she'll fall to her death...😏" while Megamind puts her in a flying vehicle immediately. Care for her safety, and as minimal terror as possible. Because he values her as a person, and values her feelings, while Titan only values her as far as he can bully her into submission.
@@DarkFallen001 And it's part of the game. Metroman won't bother with Megamind without a hostage and who better than the reporter who will put it on the news? The traps etc are to give the illusion of danger FOR METROMAN, for him to treat this more urgently. They are all out of range to hurt her. Even capturing her his concern is her safety (putting her into a safety car) because hurting her is not the plan. He has no desire to hurt her and they both know it. Hence why she snaps back at him because she feels safe enough to do it.
Megamind only captured her because he wanted to draw out metroman. He was putting on a facade which the public percieved as scary so that metroman would react. He just wanted another showdown with metroman, he wasn't actually looking to hurt anyone.
Basically Megamind is a good guy pretending to be a bad guy. Nothing he does in the movie is really directly harmful to anyone other then Metroman, and he didn't expect it to work in the first place. In contrast, Metroman is an ordinary guy pretending to be a good guy. He fills the role, but he doesn't really feel the call to do good. He just wants to be left alone to live his life, mostly. Then Titan is just a bad guy, and not a power-corrupts bad guy, he was bad from the beginning, but lacked the power to fully act on it. Roxanne basically understands that Megamind isn't actually a threat. He's not going to kill her, or basically anyone else. Until she thinks he killed Metroman, it wasn't even serious.
As creepy as that would be, that would be a little too on the nose too quickly. Early movie Hal is supposed to be a kinda cute dork with a crush who seems like he'd make a good super hero once he gets hit with the power thing. Which leads into the nice vs kind thing this video talks about so much.
I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes, like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff. So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH' and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.
The interesting part to me is how Roxanne was always so kind to Hal despite his awkwardness and his selfishness. She was never dismissive or rude to him. Even in that tower scene where she's trying to explain to him what's going on, she never once raises her voice or gets impatient with him, it's him who gets worked up with her. And that's such a perfect depiction of real life. You can be so kind, and so polite, and it doesn't matter, because if someone has decided you owe them something, they're going to be angry at you just for existing if they don't get it.
Yeah Hal just wanted her to magically be in love with him, he didn't want to put any actual work in, they maybe could have been a couple, Roxanne wasn't a shallow person who was just in love with the superman. Hal just sucked as a person
@@iceburgess461 1. Women tend to like better looking guys 2. Megamind also improved as a person and showed himself to be good. You’ve missed the whole point of the movie and this video.
@@iceburgess461if she was shallow she’d go for metro man. Nobody owes you anything in life, and Hal was always a weirdo who was never properly socialized. It sounds like you need to do some reflecting and personal growth if you think Hal wasn’t in the wrong
I think part of what makes Hal such a brilliant portrayal of the "nice guy" problem is how Megamind behaves in contrast. He pays attention to Roxanne and tries to make her happy. Her, specifically, as an individual. For example, he cleans up the whole city because he notices how sad she is to see the park covered in litter. By contrast, Hal doesn't try to get to know Roxanne. He sees her as a girl he likes and that's all. "I didn't know what kind of flowers you liked, so I got you all of them." "Girls don't like bouncy houses, they like clowns!" Et cetera. Roxanne could have been literally any woman he thought was attractive and he would have behaved exactly the same way. At the end of the day, Megamind sees Roxanne as an individual and develops an honest connection to her, while Hal fails to see Roxanne as a person - so not only does he not try to understand her, but he is completely flabbergasted when she doesn't react positively to the reveal that he's got superpowers. For someone who has known her for years, you'd think Hal would understand her basic personality.
He basically thinks it's his lack of powers that are what's keeping himself from her. He gets them, and then starts to believe he is owed her because he has them, and also that he is a "nice" guy.
Megamind is a story about facades. Megamind created his evil persona as a way to push people away to hide how vulnerable he really is, whereas Hal created his nice guy persona to camouflage how despicable he is in an attempt to lure people closer.
I just want to say that you are very wise for quoting this out, and I commend you for your wisdom, this happens a lot in real life, hal was basically like Loki, deceiving everyone, and Megamind shows how people can choose to be better and open up so that they no longer feel pain and hurt alone
I think his "evil" persona comes from a combination of being adopted by literal criminals as well as society as a whole not really giving him any other real options. Seriously, who would hire him when everyone's already a little scared of him? "Evil" was just him filling the only available niche and he doesn't leave it until the end, when society "allowed" him to. As for Hal, I don't think it's a "facade". I think he truly believes he's a "nice guy" and is simply doing what he believes "nice guys" are supposed to do. As soon as he gets powers, he uses them to try to get what he believes he's "owed" for being "nice".
@@solidskullz5736I don't think that was an act. All his life, he was told how awesome he was, so he really believed it. He likely quit because: 1. He desired a challenge. Fighting Megamind wasn't a challenge. For his sanity, he needed something his powers wouldn't just make easy. That's why he chose music. Super speed and flight wouldn't make the guitar any easier. 2. He knew Megamind wasn't a real threat to the citizen. 3. Megamind wasn't interested in being evil. Megamind was only interested in having a purpose. Once Metroman left, he knew Megamind would eventually take his place as Metro City's guardian. After all, the only part of super villainy that Megamind truly liked was the rivalry aspect.
It just occurred to me that the "bouncy castle\clown" bit was a great indicator to Hal's true personality. When things don't go as he wants them to he becomes violent (he's beating the car, and really aggressively). And then, when due to his own actions he gets hurt (hurt his hand) he blames others ("stupid car!"). It's played for laughs here but it's a great indicator to what's to come.
Also the audience can look back at that scene and know he was lying because he lives in a tiny little apartment so where was he going to fit a bouncy castle and have a “party”? My personal interpretation is that he was trying to lure her into a trap where she was alone with him and would feel pressured to do as he said, which is very dark I know, but that’s how I see it
Little detail I love: when Roxanne learns the truth about Megamind, the rain rehydrates all the garbage he and Minion had "cleaned up" earlier. It's a great visual gag, but also I think it's a strong metaphor for Megamind's actions: he was trying to turn his life around for the better, but he was just covering up the problem vs fixing it.
I think the reason why Titan was such a horrible villain is because you can actually envision a "nice" guy actually do such horrible things if they get power. And he is so violent, don't take no as an answer, and thinks he is the one that deserves the girl, even before Hal got his powers which a lot of people have met before. We all know someone as a "nice" guy or girl that thinks they are entitled to everything or any person they are nice to. He's a villain we have in our everyday lives, like Umbridge, which is why we can hate them so much. Edit: Lol there’s a bit of miscommunication but when I said Hal was a horrible villain, I meant that he’s a well written villain and what made him a good character because he’s a realistic, horrible person that we have all seen and met before.
Yea, I just feel sorry for those that meet them and hope that those who are in the early stages or even the final stage, wake up to the fact that what they are doing is bad and nice doesn't equal good or entitlement.
The reason some "nice guys" think nice deserves a reward is because they're such selfish people that they have to put in actual effort to act nice. The last 5-6 years have showed that they make up a much larger percentage of the population than I could ever have guessed...
Notice when Titan is throwing her around while he's "rescuing" her she's actually screaming, and not once while Megamind is 'threatening' her to draw out Metroman.
this is probably why she can forgive him at the end. after going through what she did with hal/titan she realizes that Megamind is actually not that bad deep down. Even when Hal was just a camera guy you can tell she felt, at the very least, uncomfortable around him. When he became titan she then really felt unsafe. When she compares that with megamind she realizes that she can trust him. I dunno thinking about this too much lol
@@dragonstooth4223 I actually disagree. I'm certain that she *always* knew he wasn't actually that bad of a guy, just kinda a criminal. She was never afraid of him, because she always knew that he didn't like hurting people, so he wouldn't hurt her. She didn't like him at that point because he chose to be a pariah and to wallow in misery. I think she was able to forgive his lie more because she knew that he had always been wearing somebody elses face. More because of a long time understanding of who he was than because of anything to do with Hal. It needed maybe another ten minutes or so to flesh out the process of her moving on from his lie and him earning her trust, but everything they needed for that moment was in it from the very first moment they met, long before the events of the movie, it was already part of their characters and their chemistry.
Hal was clearly trying to replicate the iconic romantic flight scene from Richard Donner’s Superman movie. But while Clark was always considerate of Lois and absolutely assured that she wouldn’t be in any danger, Hal pretty much abducts Roxanne with no consent or warning, and takes her on a joyride where she’s clearly fucking terrified.
I feel like there’s this extra layer of “you could have had nice me but you wouldn’t give me what I wanted so now you get abusive me and that’s on you”
His true colors are hidden with the justification he of him being “nice” and that the whole world hasn’t seen how great he is yet. Also a type of male entitlement which is just appalling, but I do think that it is something most men go through and learn in life.
Self-justifying mechanisms all the way, no one wants to be the bad guy so they find someone else to blame, they take their frustrations about themselves and weaponize them against others
@@Gamfluent yep, she falls in love with the personality and sensitivity of a random guy. She's sweet and appreciates good qualities in a romantic partner
button of doom is the real sequel and you cant convince me otherwise. least it feels mostly in character and doesnt add a dozen characters that werent established previously
Megamind’s “villainy” is really just elaborate, over-the-top theatrics and we never even see anyone actually get hurt during them. Whereas, superpowers aside, Hal is the kind of villain that can and does exist in real life, and it makes him so much scarier.
Plus to go along with how you mentioned Megaminds theatrics and them never really hurting anyone, Hal even without superpowers is representing someone who can and has hurt people in real life which adds to his character really being a monster at least for me.
One thing I've never understood is why the cops act so afraid of him. He's clearly not a threat and even "killing" Metro man was an accident. Even his kidnapping of Roxanne is regular and treated like a playful game, not only between the two of them, but Metro man as well.
The contrast really shows in Roxanne's reaction. She was completely relaxed and making conversations while Megamind had her strapped to a chair and waving every death trap imaginable in her face since she knows it's just for show. With Hal she was already unnerved at the really weird party invitation and once he did get powers you could immediately see all the gears in her head switch to "oh shit this guy might just kill me" even before he got mad and started explicitly threatening her.
Hal being shocked that she doesn't immediately love him after he gets superpowers is a good representation of how niceguys assume that getting money will make a girl immediately fall in love with them
@@isapheonix Well, I mean... People like that exist. You don't really want them in your life, because they're not there for you, they're there for what you provide, but they exist. One mistake a lot of "Nice Guys" make is believing that ALL women are like that.
I'm actually completely okay with Megamind not getting any sequels. It expertly covered everything it sought out and needed to, didn't leave room for many new stories, and exploitative sequels could very well have ruined the original in hindsight. Edit: Life is pain.
I really like the way the scene where Hal "rescues" Roxanne is animated. Even when she is actually in his arms, she is just flopping around, and he is doing things like holding her up by her arm (which would be pretty painful). He is literally treating her like an object.
Girl you're just hating on Hal because his face isn't manly. Imagine the same scene except it was the superhero guy with the good jaw from the beginning doing it. It would be a romantic comedy if superhero guy did that.
You know what's so great about Roxanne in this show? She's not a damsel in distress, but she still shows genuine fear when it's warranted. She's not scared of Megamind since she's come to learn he's not a threat to her, and even trash-talks him, but when faced with Tighten she, while still being fairly tough, genuinely does show fear and become afraid of him. It makes her seem like such a real person, like that's how you'd expect someone to act like in her situation: she's not a distressed damsel but she's not this overly brave plank of wood either.
@@somethingclever8916 True, but I think that was the joke. Like, they were making fun of how the hero and the villain are just pointlessly going through the motions, and the damsel character was aware of that and just like 5000% done with constantly being kidnapped. Because she begins to take the movie pretty seriously when Tighten shows up.
Literally what I was thinking, cuz soemtimes writers go too far with the strong woman role that they forget you can be strong and still be scared and have human emotions, but those characters are far less likeable
@@cow167 Oh, they absolutely do. There's a difference between a "strong female character" and a female character that is strong. There's overlap, yeah, but the difference is like the difference between a virgin and an incel. A big problem, ironically enough, is the "strong female character" embodies a lot of toxic masculinity traits to be "strong". They're these unemotional, bellicose bullies that throw their weight around and act like assholes. Think like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast: most "strong female characters" are written like him, but unironically. And, the same way Belle was at best disinterested and at worst repulsed by him, a lot of viewers are put off by the "strong female character" because they see past their superficial positive traits.
I like the part when Titan brings Roxanne the flowers. It shows how little he *actually* cares for her. He says he knows everything about her and then immediately after he says he doesn't know what kind of flowers she likes. He likes the idea of being with her but doesn't actually like her enough to learn about her.
This is actually a really good point. Their favourite flowers should be the first thing you learn , like birthday and beloved childhood pet's name. We I see people acting like this I called it a "Henry viii" move. They like the idea of having the person and enjoy the chase but are bored or unsatisfied when the get it
@@thatgrumpychick4928 There is also a kind of opposite/flipped extreme of that to consider & be cautious of too though. As a silly old joke I've heard before goes: "Nobody loves you more than your stalker". 😅
@@thatgrumpychick4928 What if she never had a favourite?? What if, she didn’t particularly like flowers though?? Like just didn’t like them in general even if, she didn’t hate them.?
Megamind and Roxanne always seem to have a truly organic connection - there's a definite degree of flirting between them in the initial scene, even if it's subconscious on Megamind's part (he wants her to think he's cool; fretting over his appearance and hoping she'll take him seriously as a threat vs comic relief) that Roxanne does play into somewhat (showing she's not genuinely afraid of him and arguably enjoys, if subconsciously, the attention he pays to her) then when he takes on the Bernard disguise he's actually able to be himself and they effortlessly connect and fall in love. Hal on the other hand doesn't have any chemistry with Roxanne, doesn't know or care for what she likes or thinks, and just sees her as a prize/object of desire/a thing to feed his sense of self.
Totally agree--the relationship between Roxanne and Bernard doesn't come out of nowhere. He was always a little taken with her and she, at the very least, seems to have always trusted and been amused by him.
Whoever wrote/animated Hal has had experience with these relationships. The way he looks at Roxanne even in the beginning; any woman sees a guy looking at her like that, they are bolting.
5:45 I respectfully disagree that people are born good. Babies are born selfish. Look at toddlers. You have to TEACH toddlers not to hit other kids, you have to TEACH your toddler to share, you have to TEACH your toddler not to throw a tantrum when they don't get their way. People are born selfish and entitled. They have to be TAUGHT goodness. That's why so many children turn out badly, because their parents don't want to take the time to actually parent and teach their children. If children were born good you wouldn't have to teach your kids not to hit other kids, you wouldn't have to teach your children to share, that would be the default setting. They would only hit if they saw their parents hitting each other or if they got hit themselves. But that just isn't the case.
@@WhitneyDahlin Same here. I believe that the actual “default setting” is to just do what it takes to “survive,” since that’s what our instincts tell us to do from the moment we’re born. That’s why we have to learn how to balance our own needs with the needs of others. Our ancient ancestors had to learn to not be selfish because if they didn’t, they would be kicked out of social groups and almost certainly die because of it.
If you think about it differently, Megamind's "I'm the bad guy" soliloquy isn't him believing the good guy gets the girl, it's him recognizing that being the bad guy prevents HIM specifically from getting everything he wants, and accepting that as a fact. This makes his decision to do the right thing motivated not by "getting the girl", but doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do, even though he knows he won't get the girl, since he's the bad guy.
He realizes that being the villan prevents him from getting anything he wants, yet he has to be the villan because of Metroman and the city. He could be the good guy but didn't get the chance until he was the only one left.... The last one picked.
This is very true. It shows how ultimately when the chips were down that he did the right thing because it was right, he knew he had nothing to gain from it, he knew he was still be viewed as a villain, and that people would still see him as such. Yet he saved the city anyway, because it was the right thing to do and it came from a selfless place of love, good.
@@lemonzest6988 I see it differently. It's not necessarily because he was "the last to be picked" but rather he never had a chance to shine, especially always being in Metroman's shadow his whole life. We especially see this as true with the fact that Metroman decides to leave being a hero because he KNEW that Megamind would step up and become a hero if he was just given a chance (no hero overshadowing him). Metroman saw the good in him, he knew that it was all a silly song and dance based only off of public perception, Megamind was a genuinely good person, just dealt a bad hand, over and over again.
@@AzureRadio Actually I agree with you. I think that's how Metroman saw it. But from the other angle, no one else ever wanted Megamind to be the hero. They picked Metroman. It's true that he was always good and that for Megamind it was just an amusing game. He called them his 'glorious failures'. He's actually HAPPY with losing again and again. He just enjoys the challenge of creating new and interesting threats and escaping the cops and making move and countermove. His villany was a game of chess that he was trying to lose. Remember when Metroman told him copper weakened his powers and Megamind floundered because he wasn't sure exactly how to respond to the concept that he was actually at an advantage? Like oh no, I'm going to actually win for once. But I hope that being a hero gives him the same sense of enjoyment.
25:26 I don’t know if you’re aware of this but u skirted so close to a Sylvia Plath quote! “Girls are not machines that you put kindness coins into until sex falls out” which is so true and eternally applicable
I love the detail that Hal says "I know everything about you" but then immediately after says that he doesn't know what Roxannes favourite type of flower is. Just a cool little detail right there.
It's like youtubers. People always watch their videos and says that they know this youtubers. But, no? This is only a fraction of his live, one that he shows the public because he feels he can want to share it. At the end you know nothing until that person let you know it.
No more really but Id be up for more Button of Doom type humor! Just seeing him run around and do his best, being a hero and mostly fighting his own inventions and mistakes ^_^ Still lots to learn in a new arc!
@@bns481 maybe a TV show would be a good way to go about it, short an sweet adventures just for fun on his healing journey (because honestly he's got a lot to work through.)
I'm honestly glad there wasn't a Megamind 2. the bar is just too high and specially big companies tend to make worse sequels because they'll sell for being part of a franchise instead of the plot, the characters or the kind of details all of which Megamind lives for. on this landscape, I dread a Megamind 2 as the new Shrek the Third
Megamind is the perfect example for a film too ahead of it’s time. It got forgotten pretty quick when it came out, now it’s been hailed and beloved so much that it’s getting a TV show.
I think it was in Nuxanor's reaction to why Megamind is a masterpiece where someone commented that Hal, as a former camera man, made Megamind 2 as revenge after he was out on parole
"Just kidding, I know everything about you." "I grabbed some flowers, I didn't know what you liked, so I just grabbed, you know, all of them." Perfect example of a NiceGuy (TM) He may know a lot about her as an idea, but not as a person. He doesn't care about the person.
I think it's also important to mention how when Titan drops Roxanne, he's the one putting her in danger in the first place. A common thing that's also done in toxic relationships, where the toxic partner picks up a fight, gaslights the person into feeling like they're in the wrong, to just love them more when they're in peace with each other and in love again. I think the symbolism here is fantastic.
That's what I read about Hero Syndrome and where the villain Syndrome from "Incredibles" gets his name from. Hero Syndrome is when someone puts another person in dangerous circumstances that they can "save" them from.
My ex boyfriend would only ever compliment me, act loving, listen to me etc the day after one of our bad fights where I'd contemplate breaking up with him. Then it was back to our toxic routine. He kept me around god knows how long doing that.
The whole scene where he drops her multiple times so that he can "rescue" her is such a horribly amazing abusive behavior. Gives me a stomach ache every time.
Not only mentally but physically, he would have ripped her to pieces. I despise when hero movies show people falling being instantly stopped when caught. The G forces would be astronomical! If anything the hero would be making it worse by adding in a second velocity perpendicular to the first! Bye bye spine lol
One moment that absolutely terrifies me, is at the end of the scene where Hal is “rejected”, not only does he fly off in a whiny tantrum-y way, but he LEAVES Roxanne on the top of that skyscraper. Not on the roof of a tall building where she can get down - on a spire where she’s left completely stranded. I thought that was a good, subtle, and completely chilling example of how deeply selfish “nice guys” are.
Exactly! That was my first thought when I saw that scene. Like, how is she supposed to get down from there? It really just shows you that he doesn't actually care about her or view her as a real, valuable person. She only has value and is deserving of respect, care, and assistance when she fits into whatever mold he's envisioned. That's the most terrifying type of partner.
What's so interesting to me as well that I didn't notice until this video, Roxanne isn't really scared of someone until Hal tries to "rescue" her a few times. The whole first half of the film she was so calm and collected around Megamind, but when hal becomes Titan she's genuinely terrified.
Of course she would be, she knew he was into her and as far as I remember she never directly told him the hell off directly. Of course I'm not blaming her for this, that's her partner and she decided for one reason or another to not do so. But even a moron can tell which people that get power would become absolute monsters
@@salpertia Because even before he got superpowers he was bigger and stronger than her (like, she's a little taller, but Roxanne is skinny af). And she's probably seen how he reacts to anger, what with working together for years. Notice how uncomfortable she gets when he's trying to convince her on a date in the beginning, and she's trying to let him down gently but he just refuses to understand the word no.
@@salpertia She shouldn't have had to directly tell him this. Her body language, facial expressions, and clear lack of interest in him should have tipped him off that his attraction was one-sided, but Hal either refused to see this or he can't read nonverbal cues. Neither of those are Roxanne's fault.
@@Choshako We can call Hal a monster without resorting to tarring people who have legitimate difficulty reading nonverbal cues. People with difficulty reading nonverbal cues know they have difficulty reading nonverbal cues and don't flip the fuck out when someone finally directly tells them they've been reading the situation wrong. They listen and are generally grateful for the clarification. They might be hurt or embarrassed, but not being able to read cues well isn't the same thing as entitlement. And what Hal was was pretty classic entitlement. It's spelled out pretty clearly with "space dad" telling him that if he rescues her she'll be his. That sets up the entitlement. That clarifies the terms he's thinking of the situation in. Honestly, if I'm going to blame Megamind for one thing, it would be giving Hal that bit of advice, because that is really, really wrong. It's mostly down to him believing all the hero villain tropes too much, but it's probably the most destructive manifestation of him buying into that social construct.
even as a kid, i liked how megamind respected roxanne’s boundaries. he was unlike hal who kept pushing his agenda onto her, even though she said no and her body language showed that she was uncomfortable. also, roxanne is the og girlboss.
Megamind didn't respect her boundaries. He pretended to be Bernard specifically to get *around* her boundaries. It's interesting that people see why Hal is a problem, but not why Megamind is, who is a career criminal who has destroyed Metrocity multiple times and who is deceiving Roxanne.
@@TheSequentCalculus the problem now relies on... how do you show that you're good, different without deceiving, if people don't give you a chance in the 1st place. However it was still an accident not intentional of sorts.
@@TheSequentCalculus thing is Megamind first got roped into it. He was trying to hide, then Roxanne talked to him about his secret lair and he knew he had to get her to leave by convincing her as Bernard. That failed and he grew attached. He knew he couldn’t keep lying, so he revealed himself. When she didn’t want him, he let her leave because he knew he fucked up.
appreciate the call-out for Hal's flight animations and the shots at Metro Tower. This whole movie is animated with so much more care than I expected; all the action feels so impactful, more so than a lot of live-action superhero movies even. Oh, and the thing where Hal only hears his superhero name spoken, never written, and then when he carves it into the city he spells it "TIGHTEN" - cracks me up every time.
As someone who was stalked, I felt genuine fear for Roxanne once they gave the creep power. They gave him a means of access to her that he didn't have before...
@@YBNKASHWAYS Just flashbacks. Nothing was going to happen to her plot wise because of the age rating, no crap. But he did certainly abuse that new access and endanger her just like I anticipated he would.
@@YBNKASHWAYS Maybe you didn't watch this video, you know, where two guys say "It's not a kids movie." Orrr maybe you're just a troll. But yeah I actually felt fear for this fictional character while just watching scenes in this video. I'm pretty sure I watched the movie but I remembered literally nothing from it but the characters, so this was like my first real experience of it... and then they skipped the big action and went straight to the ending with no warning!
"this is not a kids movie" 100% agree. In fact that's why despicable me won over this one, because megamind appeals more to adolescents than children. It's megaminds character growth that appeals to me in this movie which is something younger children wouldn't be able to understand.
Despicable Me 1 is a fine (if rather strange) movie with plenty of character development. The sequels and spinoffs were cash grabs, but I still respect the original for its story.
I think a point that was left out in this video is that "nice" guys can actually became dangerous when they are in a position of power and feel their "property" is threateaned. At the begining, Roxane dismisses Hal's creepy behaviour because she considers him to be harmless, until he wasn't.
@@cum_chef That is completely false and unjustifiable of you to say. A lot of people fake being nice to gain something, sure, but there are genuinely good people out there.
@@CaptainHusky2014 That's literally the entire point even in this video: The nice guy versus the good guy. The nice guys are normally not nice and are fake af to get what they want, and will turn on a dime when they don't get it. The good guys are genuinely "good" and are the actual nice ones. Hal was a "nice" guy who showed his true colors when Roxanne outright rejected him. He acted like Roxanne was obligated to him and continually kept suggesting creepy af shit they could do (such as a "party" at his place where it'd be the two of them and a wedding photographer) like she was destined to be his. When she finally rejected him outright after his crazy af flying stunts, what did he do? Decided to become an actual bad guy fully by destroying the city, terrorizing the people, and becoming a genuine unhinged psychopath...especially after Megamind revealed that HE was the one that stole Roxanne's heart because Megamind was under the assumption that he'd adhere to the Hero/Villain showmanship banter and fighting as opposed to going full blazed psychopath. Megamind, despite starting off "bad" was genuinely an actual "good" guy who took an introspective approach when Roxanne rejected him, and what did he do? He turned himself in to the police and didn't throw a tantrum because he knew he went about things all wrong. And then he turned around again and did some good by saving Roxanne as well as Metro City. Yeah, he made mistakes such as throwing his relationship with Roxanne in Hal's face to egg him on, but he learned and grew from those mistakes and those rejections versus Hal completely going the inverse and going explosive crazy.
Honestly just shows how well this movie was written. Being "nice" doesn't always mean you're a "hero", and being "bad" doesn't mean you're automatically a "villain". This movie showed this perfectly.
To be honest, I am tired off people trying to be nice just for getting a girl. Now I cannot be nice (Which I am because of modals) because people may think other things... This is why I love the move.
No actually it doesn’t. Make it mine created Hal the way he was. It made him I had given him powers he would not have run amok. It is because of what Megamind did that Hal ran amok he gave him powers to a guy who was already emotionally disturbed plus he lied to him. You can’t expect a good outcome if you give a person who is being bully the same powers as superman, that person is going to use his powers get back as bullies but without training a self control that person is going to hurt his would be bullies. This is the case of Hal, while he wasn’t bullied he was a very depressed person who felt he was being used and his powers weren’t given exactly what he wanted. He became unhappy very quickly.
I love how, as a kid, i thought Hal was genuinely funny and charismatic but just became "evil" after being handed superpowers, but then i grew up and noticed: "oh nah, he was creepy all along."
It was always correct, there hasn't been a Queen of England since 1714; as the Kingdom of England ceased to exist (upon merging with the Kingdom of Scotland) and was replaced by the Kingdom of Great Britain.
One of the best phrases i heard for nice vs good is this : "A good person will help you when its inconvenient, a nice person may just walk by" or something like that.
Roxane getting with Megamind is perfectly fine to me. Mostly because he never expected her to forgive him for his deceptions, he just couldn't stand by while she was in danger and it was her choice to forgive him and move forward from there. His plan even was to give Metroman all the credit, and I don't think Minion revealing the ruse to Roxane was part of the plan either, that was probably Minion's decision. In essence he is rewarded for being a truly good person rather than superficially good like Hal was, and while it may be more realistic that Roxane should have given him a bit more time to re-earn her trust, given that we didn't get any more movies it does keep things nicely wrapped up with no hanging loose ends.
I agree. I think Roxane felt empathy because she learned to know all the things that made Megamind be that way. He suffered so much, as much as that doesn´t excuse bad behavior, he was in the process of learning and growing and had so much potential and she could see that. She knows she has probably wronged people before. None of us a great all the time. When we don´t give second chances ever I feel we also fall into the nice guy trap, where we think we are always good and deserve the best but never account to other people´s journeys.
The best part was when megamind as metroman scared Hal away. The day was "saved" and the people have peace of mind now. But Roxanne went and took down the disguise to show that it was megamind who saved them. She was showing the public what she already knows......... megamind is a good person deep down. He just needed a chance to show it through his actions which he did
For me, I just guessed that at the end of the movie, Roxanne wasn't quite with Megamind yet, but she was opening up to him in a more romantic way, since they already had that sassy tension between them at the beginning of the movie.
@@giboi03 same! It felt like more of a “I forgive you” than a “wanna go steady?” Lol. If they had spent less time as megamind and Roxanne (as opposed to time as Bernard and Roxanne) both before and after the betrayal, I might feel differently about her coming around, but it read very naturally to me that they would (eventually) rekindle the relationship. For the dogshit why did she forgive him/why are they together version of this, see “passengers” lmao
I mean, changing your face to look human in order to look human because you've been shunned tour whole life for looking like an alien isn't a lie, its an escape. He at the time, wanted to be Bernard so it didn't feel like a lie, it felt like a reimagining of himself.
I also loved how the prisoners raised him and educate him even if it is unorthodox. The so called prisoners that we treat only as criminals who are not human helped raise this kid with no family. A lot of Megamind came from this.
I love how they find him in the prison yard and one guy immediately says "Can we keep it?", while looking pleased and excited by the idea. Note too how Megamind later refers to the prison as "home", and it's made obvious that he sees the Warden as a father figure.
In all fairness, this was probably a godsend in the eyes of Hal himself - Metroman is dead, he can finally have the girl that he always wanted. Only for Megamind to show up
I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes, like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff. So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH' and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.
22:30 I remember someone saying, of writing a plot, "Is this the most interesting period of your characters' lives? And if not, why aren't you making that movie instead?"
Two great things about Hal vs Megamind & their interactions with Roxanne: • Unlike in some movies, Roxanne does NOTHING to “deserve” Hal’s treatment. He just can’t deal with rejection. • Megamind saves her AFTER she rejects him. He takes her words to heart and learns from his mistakes.
The shocking trend is to hate nice guys and not help them and isolate them but every single nice girl female Incel? Feminist is innocent. Weirdo bizzaro world we live in. Alright have fun getting clapped. Lmao. That simply creates more Elliot Rodgers. The ultimate Man everyone should become more of is Jesus Christ. Not some cartoon characters. Where only those who go unto it battle with ideology but lose.
Roxanne didn’t deserve it but she didn’t do anything to prevent it. Hal was a very emotionally unstable individual as he was punching his van out of rage, Roxanne was absolutely aware of this, so what’s the best course of action dealing with such people…ah that’s right…ignoring and rejecting them without skipping a beat. Roxanne was stupid to treat hal like that and hal was equally stupid for behaving that way for a crumb of poosy.
My dad had a quote about "learning to be good," when you've been taught to be bad: "The point of trying to be good isn’t to get something in return. It’s to stop putting unneeded negativity back into the world. Being good for the sake of goodness, because goodness is, in itself, worth creating."
This movie is CRIMINALLY underrated. It’s loaded with jokes, has amazing cast performance and has a moral without being preachy! Edit: so glad to see a lot of u feel this way too. The recognition for this movie was LONG OVERDUE
I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes, like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff. So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH' and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.
I don’t think it’s underrated now. In fact, there have been memes and videos made about it. The best way to say it was that it *was* underrated. I guess not many people never gave animated movies enough credit back then.
I think it's fine that Roxanne falls for him because, even though he lied to her, he made up for it in ways beyond saving her. He actively wants her to be happy, wants her to be safe. There's this idea that people need to be properly "punished" for any perceived wrongdoing regardless of their circumstances or their attempts at apology, and that forgiveness should only come after an arbitrarily set amount of groveling. As if people need to suffer and stew in their misery before they're allowed any redemption. At the end of the day, Roxanne liked Megamind as a person and chose to be with him. He was a good person who made a mistake. He didn't need to be punished any further.
this. roxanne already had a soft spot for megamind and yes, he fucked up, but was properly contrite about it and made amends by saving her without expecting anything in return (like hal did). in the end it's roxanne's choice to forgive him, and she did, since she knows he's still inherently a good person
I agree. I also think that Megamind demonstrated his changed character by letting go of his own bid for glory and taking up the metroman persona because saving the city mattered more than being the hero.
Therapist: “Hey, tell my friend he’s ugly. Roast the hell out of him.” That… that is a strong level of irony you can only get from being good friends, and one of those friends being a therapist.
I love that when Roxanne gets kidnapped by Megamind and he "threatens" her with his numerous gadgets, she just doesn't give a rat's ass cuz she knows he's bullshitting. But when Hal keeps "rescuing" her and throwing her around, she panics and she screams. Roxanne knows the actual threat when she sees it.
What also adds to it is that Roxxane also had no idea what Tighten was capable of. With Megamind, she was able to literally predict everything about him, and was aware it was just going to play out exactly the same as always. Megamind scoops her up, keeps her situated in his lair, and all she really has to do is sit and wait until Metroman arrives on the scene to rescue her. In comparison, she has no idea what Hal's actual motives are, nor what he plans to do with her, which makes him so much more terrifying to her, because she has no time to relax or prepare for a worst case scenario, she essentially just has to pray that she makes it out of the situation alive, something she's never had to do with Megamind
Megamind could be a threat, he's too smart to not be. But he's not dangerous. He's a threat without being threatening. Hal is a danger because he has no decorum and respect and consideration. Where as Megamind does it for show and purpose, Hal does it for sheer human greed.
Well, not to mention she had just figured out what Megamind's hanging cards spelled: Titan. She knew he was somehow related to Megamind and therefore could not be trusted.
Not going to lie, you guys gave me a realization that im still living in the stage of “nice guy” mixed with my bipolar 1 disorder.. i literally cried. And now i wanna seek help to have someone to talk to about myself. I love you guys ❤ film and music as a passion and the deep dives of therapy is a great insight.
I want to add a point to the whole Titan introduces himself to Roxane scene. Hal believed he had to "save" her for her to fall in love with him. His solution for that was to actively endanger her life and catch her, repeatedly. Ignoring the fact that the idea was false, it's not "saving" someone when you put them into those circumstances in the first place. And not just in regards to physical danger.
And then when she rejects him he leaves her in a dangerous situation which shows he wasn't actually interested in her wellbeing at all. Totally agree with you!
Something I always found interesting is that Hal says that he knows everything about Roxanne, but then when he gets her flowers, he says "I didn't know what kind you like, so I just got all of them." It shows that even though he was basically obsessed with her, he never took the time to actually get to know her.
That's such a good point! I've seen it more often: people who don't feel they need to "bother" with basic niceties like personal gifts and thoughtfulness, because they "know" and "love" their crush, almost holistically as it were. I suspect it's the same people who feel like they don't have to ACT good because they "know" they ARE good.
I mean, how could he? He says later on in the movie that she never bothered to ever hang out with him outside of work. Is he supposed to stalk her to find that out?
@@bevvvy1374 Hal could've gotten to know her through work and figured out her likes and dislikes. Honestly even I could figure out what to get Roxanne by the first few minutes of the film (books and nerdy things), her personality really stands out. The fact that Hal couldn't figure it out after years of working with her and having conversations with her is on him.
@@isntsheabeaut7456 You can only get to know someone if they let you and judging by Roxanne's attitude towards him, she never did. Books and "nerdy things" are such nebulous things that it's basically the same thing as what he did.
@@bevvvy1374 Note: sorry my comment was getting long and I was getting tired, I'll finish writing my example later You're right that books and nerdy things are nebulous, I was trying to make the point that the audience probably knows/cares more about her personality than Hal, but it was a bad example. But judging by Hal's attitude and his actions throughout the film, he acts like someone who doesn't want to know who she is as a person, and is simply trying to win over an object. For example, Roxanne seems to be generally open about herself, even to strangers or people who she has no romantic interest in. Remember how Roxanne had a negative opinion of Bernard at the beginning of the film in the museum elevator (she thought he was boring, similar to the way she felt about Hal). But that changes after Megamind enters Bernard's body and says something meaningful/profound (in Roxanne's opinion at least). I know we saw Roxanne being uninterested in Hal even in the beginning of the movie, but that's because he's never talking about her interests (which he can just ask if he doesn't know) or even his own passions (which he doesn't have any and he should really get some). I wouldn't say "Want to come to my bouncy castle party" falls under either of these categories. He's always saying boring or borderline offensive things (to Roxanne's intelligence). I know we have to make assumptions about how Roxanne treated Hal before the film, but based on Roxanne's personality and Hal's personality, I'd rather assume that Roxanne probably did give Hal a chance to be friends in the beginning, but Hal was too focused on getting in Roxanne's pants to actually get to know her.
This movie taught me two things 1) People who seem to take pride in being "bad guy" are really just so desperate for attention they'll accept any role the community gives them 2) People who take pride in being "the nice guy" are often just waiting for a chance to flex whatever power they can get on whomever society will allow them to
I've always noticed this, and its not that long after the scene where Roxanne tells Megamind (Bernard) about the park...dude cleans the place up asap because he paid attention to what made her sad/happy without expecting anything in return because she'll never know he did it for her.
And he's right. Kinda. A supervillain is usually someone iconic, someone who leaves such an impression that his name invokes fear and recognition. Yes that usually means they're more dangerous than regular villains, but most importantly, everyone knows who they are. Like the joker. Or Thanos.
"I dont wanna live in a world where we have 3 Despicable Mes and 2 spinoffs, and only one Megamind" This just shows that we have to be careful what we wish for. We got what we wanted, and now it's too late to go back, cause we know that peacock isn't gonna pull a sonic :(
My favorite part is something you didn't mention Hal: "I know everything about you" Hal, in the next line: "I got you flowers, but I didn't know which ones you like." This hits hard because that's a thing you can just ask, and not all women like special kinds of flowers
That is an awesome point that I didn't even catch....I know everything about you (You are pretty and I want you and that is all I need to know) I don't know anything that I would know from actually talking to you as a person because you are an object that I wish to own.
As a kid I though metroman was super selfish letting mega mind run rampant. As an adult I still think he was super selfish but I think he ultimately believes megamind won’t ruin everything.
He's selfish, but I think that his leaving the superhero role to let Megamind do his own thing subtly showed a lot about their relationship. Metroman trusts Megamind to do the right thing, because he saw that Megamind isn't inherently evil and that he wouldn't actually try to hurt anyone. Seeing Megamind's goodness was more apparent and impactful when it was Roxanne, but Metroman's realization of it was just as important because it led to Megamind being able to truely show who he was without a superhero confining him to the role of villain.
@B O ꓭ I think the Suicide Squad game, if that's what you're talking about, is because the Justice League is mind controlled by, I assume, Brainiac. I know I spelt that wrong
I don't think Megamind was selfish, really. I mean, everyone forced him to be a hero, he never wanted it. Is a child selfish for not being a doctor as their parents demand? Is someone selfish for staying home from work because they have the flu? Selfishness and self care are two different things
Now that I'm older, I can see the logic behind Metroman's faked suicide albeit it's not framed to be a good thing either. Metroman, after dealing with Megamind enough to get to know him well, realized that Megamind is nowhere near evil enough to actually be of serious harm to the city so he knew that it was only a matter of time before Megamind grew out of his upbringing to realize who he truly was. However, he didn't expect Megamind to attempt relapsing so hard, and he especially didn't expect the creation of Titan, a person who is evil enough to be of serious harm to the city. In other words, Metroman had a plan that backfired extremely hard, but in the long run ended up working but not in the way he intended.
Man, that bouncy house scene, Hal really freaks me out because his reaction to the rejection was violence, he just starts hitting things and getting angry. From that alone I'd think he'd be an abusive partner.
when saying "stupid van broke my finger" he externalized his actions onto an inanimate object to shift responsibility away from his failure to woo the girl it shows a marked lack of connection to self and sociopathic tendencies its similar to the moment before when he's ignoring her polite rejections and supplanting "so thats a soft yes for thursday" to avoid reality. hal was always crazy.
Is more like entitlement and it can get very dangerous. It's a power dinamic where the person has resentment after rejection and wants to posses the person out of spite and pride. Ladies this comes from experience, NEVER UNFRIEND A GUY OUT IF THE FRIENDZONE.
I feel like Megamind was only ever really "evil" because he grew up that way. He landed in a prison, he was raised by criminals and kept in isolation. Really he's a pretty decent guy.
And even then he initially tried to do good at school, but once he saw that didn’t work he played the villain. But even as a villain we never see him hurt civilians, not even Roxanne who he’s captured enough times to where she’s not scared bc she know he won’t hurt her
I feel like it’s also important to note that Megamind pretending to be Bernard was never malicious. Like the reason the whole situation started was just because he was embarrassed to be in his pajamas and then the situation just kind of got away from him, ya know? Obviously it was wrong and he was still lying to her blah blah I’m not condoning it, I’m just saying he never set out to trick Roxanne into falling in love with him
I feel like there was always some kind of attraction between them in a flirty way. Bernard just happened to be a coincidence to hide the "moronic supervillain" filter from her and see a different side of him. Of course it was wrong but I feel the message was that, in the end, Megamind learns from this (the first real bad thing he did intentionally) and after watching her hurt he never did it again. He experiencied "evilness" and then rejected it.
@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 I actually LOVE that last sentence- Thinking on it, Megamind had never really BEEN evil, as much as he played into the performance of it all as a role he had taken on. He was not genuinely happy when he thought he had killed Metro Man, and if he was actually evil, he wouldn't have remorse about lying to Roxie either. Many people claim to be good, then do awful things; Megamind claims to be evil, but then is still shown to act primarily neutral/good.
Perspective matters too. Maybe Megamind will tell her one day, but at the time of their fight she had zero insight into why he would pretend to be someone else and approach her. Megamind himself never apologized for the evil he committed. And at the time of the fight, she had just figured out that he is still plotting something and had seen the consequences of that plot firsthand. Whether intentional or not, Megamind's actions had put her life in danger. Most especially, she is in the midst of a huge betrayal of trust. She believed this person to be someone he was not, and she has had zero time to process it when he runs after her in the rain. One thing I do dislike about the film is the blame game Megamind plays with her in the battle at the end. He implies that it's her fault he lost the crucial item needed to defeat Titan because she dumped him in the rain. But that series of events played out the way they did BECAUSE he chose to continue the lie.
@Brianna I don't think he was playing a blame game with Roxanne there though. Remember Megamind is bad at social skills due to never being around people so sometimes what he says may come off wrong. But he even said that he lost it the night she dumped him, not that he lost it because she dumped him. He did add the whole alone in the rain (and even started to get sad still clearly feeling the heartbreak of it) and then asked if she ever looked back (the little hope he had of them getting back together) after she said no he dropped it (it was clear he wanted to talk about it and was testing the waters. Same way he was when he asked Roxanne if she would like him if he wasn't normal and had the skin completion of a primary color) but when he dropped it I think he also tried to pretend it didn't happen to cope the best way he can. But after the reveal that Metro was alive and wouldn't do anything he lost hope. He didn't see himself as a good guy and truly believed he was a villian and didn't deserve happiness, so of course when his last hope of getting the hero back backfired he gave up. He was still just a villian without a hero and he would never get the girl he was inlove with because villians don't get to be happy, which is why he turned himself in. But then seeing Roxanne in trouble he went to save her, he still clearly played into the villain part saying "oh your a villian alright, but not a super one" and then came out with a big presentation yelling how presentation makes the difference. He only did that to save the woman he loves, it was in his final moments he realized because of Roxanne belief in him that he can be the good guy and I believe that dawned on him when he chased Titan away. I believe so because he was hesitant to tale Roxanne's hand, it was almost like he just realize he could get the girl and if he could he could also be the good guy
@@gravybones. I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes, like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff. So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH' and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.
@@loturzelrestaurant im not quite sure i understand what ur talking about? I just like bouncy castles lol. But if u mean that spreading awareness is important for society, they yeah, i agree
@@gravybones. Yeah, i meant to say spreading awareness truly helps. Thats why i love recommending RUclipsrs like Oversimplified, Hbomberguy, Sci Man Dan, Professor Dave, and many more.
This film really felt ahead of its time. A villain who's a textbook incel. A female love internet who breaks the tropes of the damsel in distress. This film would be a hit if it came out today.
The bechdel test is if there's a scene featuring two women talking together in a scene without it being about a man. It's a test to see if there are female characters who's primary purpose in the story don't revolve around a male character.
if you gain a superpower that makes it possible for you to do anything, literally ANYTHING, and get away with it, ¿what would you do? You (talking in general) would be surprised at yourself.
@@charlescole645 one time or several? If several - I'd write a list with no problems. 1) Fix my health. Having chronical problems sucks. 2) create more time available for myself so i could both study enough, sleep well and do the sports and hobbies I enjoy. I wish I didn't have to choice between preparing for an exam, going to a graded PE class, sleeping, doing scientific research and maintaining a romantic relationship. 3) fix a major conflict everyone around seems to dislike. 4) make a commitment to a scientific field I find desirable. ETC.
I don't really think they're "together" at the end. She gives him a hug which means they're still close, but there's no final kiss like a lot of romantic plots have. I think this was deliberate to show she's willing to give him another genuine chance, but it's too soon by the end of the movie. They're gonna work as being friends for now and MAYBE something more in the future
She jumps into his arms and kisses him on the cheek right before the credits, though, tbf. Which does imply more strongly that they are together, but like, it could still be fairly casual, it's not like they're _engaged_ or anything
You could say that they were kind of dating while Megamind was Bernard during the Mr Blue sky montage. At this point she knows the extent of who he his, so I think the end is her making her mind up because he's made the official decision to be the good guy and prove himself.
There isn't anything explicitly saying how long the time skip was from the final battle to the hero ceremony thing, despite it feeling like it happened nearly right after I bet it would take awhile to make such a large statue and it wouldn't be very tasteful to do that sort of thing when there's still major damage onto the city that needs to be repaired; I think it'd be a reasonable assumption to think it's been maybe a couple months at least.
As a woman, the scene where Hal is throwing Roxanne around is genuinely terrifying. So many women, myself included, get put in positions where men disregarded our safety & scare us, then think we should be impressed just because we didn't get hurt. Then when they're on the tower and he starts to get angry - In real life, most women would've just said they liked him out of fear.
@@Sinvm5fz Same!!!! Having been in an abusive relationship (ok, a couple), I completely get it! I 100% understood her anger and fury at his cavalier attitude toward her own personal safety. He's essentially the classic incel. He thinks he has rights b/c XYZ (in this case, superpowers), and when he gets denied his rights, he gets mad. And mad is scary when there's strength and power behind it.
I've heard women share some stories online of dates gone wrong because the guy drove around like he was in a Nascar race thinking he would impress her or whatever he was trying to do, and even if the date was going okay before, it did not end well. Then some of them passed around a hastag #safetyissexy.
When I was younger I saw this film and thought Hal "turned" bad, watching it now it's clear he was never truly good to start. I definitely agree when you say it's a film for all ages.
I felt the same. The first time I watched it I felt like Hal was the perfect candidate! He was awkward and weird and alone and he was what would usually be the downtrodden hero right before he beefed up and now I realize he was the awful caricature of Nice Guy (tm) who pretends he's the main character in real life.
Same! I thought oh he's just an awkward dude but some people can't handle being given power, and I thought that's what the movie was showing. That some people let power get to their head and let it control them. But really it's showing how some people feel entitles just because they're "nice" or a "hero."
To be fair hal did care for her and then he tried to be the hero with space dad, it was only after he got his heart broken that he snapped and couldn't still just be the hero.
this is such a thoughtful episode! and made me reflect. i've always known i'm "nice" as a defense mechanism (my trauma/conflict response is fawn), but until now i've never actually considered myself "good." i've never felt like a good person because people have torn me down so many times, but i think beneath the fawn response _is_ goodness. after i get over the initial fear of meeting someone new, the protective niceness goes away and is replaced by genuine interest and care (not to toot my own horn). i was never given the chance to be good because when i expressed it, it was taken advantage of, particularly by people like hal who were ONLY superficially nice without anything real going on below.
"Oh your a villain alright. Just not a super one." "Oh yeah. What's the difference?" "Presentation." I love this part because it shows that Megamind is just playing the part of villain because it's all he's ever know how to be & Hal is just doing it to get the fame, glory, & Roxanne
It's not actually all he knows how to be, as demonstrated when he plays the part of Metro Man. He knows perfectly well how to be good. It's simply that when he tried to be good as a child he got punished for not being as effortlessly good as Metro Man.
@@AndaraBledin he also was punished for being different physically. Megamind is blue. He cannot pass for Human so he's treated like an alien. Metroman can pass for Human if he doesn't use his powers, then he looks like any other person.
He was also raised in a prison after landing there. While this isn't played up too much this does mean that the other kids already had this mental image of him being bad because he was getting dropped off by a prison bus. He was then bullied by the other kids for his inventions not always working out & his physical appearance. Meanwhile Metro man was given wealthy parents & had powers he could easily control. Thus being seen as good. Megamind tried to do cool stuff like Metro man such the popcorn but when that failed he got punished. Time & time again it got reniforced into him that no matter what he did he would always be seen as bad. So he decided that if people were just going to see him as a bad guy there was no point in trying to be good
One of my favorite parts of the movie is how Megamind generally tries not to hurt citizens. The citizens know this after being around him so long. The Warden doesn't fear death. He dehydrated lots of folks. He could have fired the death ray directly at the opening of the museum to FORCE Metroman to stop the laser before it hits innocent people. Even after he wins, the citizens stick around to find out what's next, when after 1 day or less of Titan they are straight up abandoning the city.
@@InsertUsernameHere_aand then when he wins no one leaves on mass becwuse… we’ll people just don’t know what to do, I feel. They know he isn’t really dangerous to the people so they aren’t in mortal danger. He generally is just annoying so he isn’t even a danger that much. I wonder if some even stayed specifically because they wanted to see the next part of the “performance”. The next chapter, what happens when the hero loses and the villain wins.
I love how Roxanne is just rolling her eyes and sarcastic to Megamind. I like to think that she doesn’t believe he’d ever actually hurt her, it feels like she’s just comfortable. Later in the movie shes trying to talk herself out and actually seems afraid with Titan. Now that could be seen as there’s a for sure hero coming with Megamind and no one with Titan, but I like to think she just knows she’s safe with Megamind
With all the times he's captured her she knows it's just a dance of pageantry, she's smart enough to see that the "weapons" are far enough away to not actually hurt her.
@@ALJ9000 like he'd really let her come to harm. Even when he was using her as bait. He wasn't intent on killing, he didn't even want to kill Metroman.
This video gave me a massive look into myself and my tendencies. I am 17 and I'm going through that transition of nice guy to (hopefully) good guy. My last relationship felt very transactional though neither of us saw it then, and I'm glad I've figured this whole nice vs. good thing out to a degree now as opposed to much later, and it's thanks to you that I now know what it's called and what comprises it to make it easier to acknowledge what a relationship is for future.
Ive always loved that at the end, Roxanne kisses him on the cheek. It’s a step below when they kissed at the restaurant. It said to me that “this is the happy ending for the “”kids movie””” but they’re also building their relationship back up. They don’t just pick up where they left it.
Yeah, this is a show don’t tell thing of exactly what the blonde guy (first time watching this channel, don’t know the names) was saying. The attraction and relationship is still there, and she’s potentially even playing it up for the crowd as some famous people relationships do, but it’s a subtle sign that things clearly aren’t what they were while still having hope that they can move past it and get there one day.
I love that too, since it shows Roxanne's forgiveness, but it shows how forgiveness and trust are not the same thing, trust is built over time and when its broken it can be forgiven, but it doesn't mean that the trust is back.
And even though there’s clear, mutual attraction from their very first scene together, they’ve just as clearly never acted on it. There are boundaries there, which get shattered (first due to Metro Man’s “death”, then Meg’s deception), but with the hopeful note that they can be rebuilt, and stronger.
My life was pretty much like that too. Wether it was to be a friend or whatever else... people ' did ' not ' even ' let ' me. Until I grew tired of it all and suddenly stepped back of it. Back to where it all began. My undisputed comfort zone. I do not plan to ever leave it again and I doubt there exists anything in life that can make me. Am I happy now? Glad? Fulfilled? Absolute happyness? I am... content. It is not perfect. But it does not have to be. We all know this feeling. Asking ourself _" WHAT IF I WOULD TRY JUST THIS ONCE... "_ But this are just this dumb noises of our primitive brains I guess. Or old dreams and hopes or behaviours, knocking on our doors even long after we threw them out. Is it the perfect lifestyle? I dunno. But I always see people trying to shape & control me. They do not want *ME.* They want my _"services"._ It is tiring really. So content to live my life with relative loneliness but also this god damn, sexy peace of mind that I would not trade for anything else in the world.
@@happyjellycatsquid Exactly. Some of the incels and an army of neckbeards, niceguys (and granted a handful of nice girls) completely hijacked a previously cool and classy style of headwear and just nuked it to Hael. Hopefully the hat can shake that shameful association soon.
It's brilliant how until Hal becomes Titan, the audience only sees him as a comic relief character. The whole Nice guy syndrome isn't directly addressed and it's very subtle and that's how it's like in real life. It's hard to detect nice guy syndrome especially in yourself. When he becomes the villain it's obvious and rewatching you pick up on all the little things. But his twist villain is amazingly written
@@bombomos I think they’re saying it’s more that you can tell he is a “nice guy” but it isn’t enough to call out or address until it’s become a huge thing. You can sort of make fun of or pity him because it’s pathetic but then he becomes absolutely horrible and at that point “WOAH he’s a villian!”
I really like how you guys were honest about acting like hal when you were younger and I think it's important not to make people like this feel isolated. If we do that then they'll never want to change they'll just dig deeper into the delusion because "nobody understands"
I agree. I think even "nice guys" and self-styled incels deserve empathy at the very least, because at the core of their problems, they're hurting and feel alone. They need to be able to find their self-worth beyond chasing a relationship, because you have to love yourself before others can love you.
Completely agree, but I do want to remind people that it's not your job to fix people, so never get in a relationship just because you think you might help them. Didn't think you were encouraging that behavior, by the way, just saying.
I totally agree! Just because you changed your mind from how you thought in the past, doesn’t mean you can’t speak out on it later. People change, people grow. This isn’t something to hide and feel shame towards. Its something that needs to be talked about. Then less well meaning men will go through this life experience.
@@herpderp3916 my issue is that they will physically harm me if I reject them or worse :) so empathy is not really an option that can be given at all times. Especially not if you're the person they're currently infatuated with.
No, they will feed on the delusion no matter if you show simpathy towards them. The don't deserve any emphaty . The men that changed their behaviour was because they decides to do so. To do introspection and Made eforts to be better. What you are suggesting is the equivalent of saying a wife-beater will change if she continues giving love to him.
Something I noticed in high school when it came to "nice guys" was they'd overact to couples having a simple argument or disagreement, then jump to the conclusion that the girl was being abused. Like, my friend and her then boyfriend were having a small argument, and some guy who had a crush on her jumped in and felt the need to "protect" her. He started yelling at her boyfriend and telling her to leave him because he "wasn't any good for her". They ended up breaking up about a year later, but he never abused her. Their split was amicable. They just wanted different things in life. But "nice guys" will pounce on the tiniest thing and use it to their advantage, as if they would never have disagreements with their partner.
One time in college, there was this guy I knew and we had become acquaintances based on a game we both really liked. He asked me from the get go “Do you have a boyfriend?” and I said yes, naively thinking he just wanted to be my friend. Every conversation after that he would always ask if he and I were still together to the point where it was the immediate thing he would say, even during brief interactions. I stopped talking to him, but he would still somehow manage to find me during my breaks and try to strike up a conversation. He would also conveniently be in the same area my boyfriend and I would hang out during our breaks and I would always feel his stares and would catch him staring *intensely* at us. One day I was having a pretty bad panic attack (not related to my boyfriend whatsoever) in the cafeteria area. I was crying my eyes out and lo and behold, he popped out of nowhere. He started rubbing my back and giving me tissues and immediately said “Who did this to you? Did your boyfriend hurt you?!” as if he had already formulated a story without even asking me what happened. He then proceeded to talk about how he’s there for me and how he would never hurt me Blah Blah Blah. I couldn’t even talk because 1.) I was in the middle of my panic attack and I usually can’t speak through choked tears. 2.) We were not close AT ALL and him touching me made me incredibly uncomfortable. 3.) There were onlookers and I didn’t want to scream at this guy to leave me alone because I was so embarrassed and uncomfortable as it were. 4.) I was confused as all hell as to why this fool even thought this was about my boyfriend. The whole thing just blindsided me and I never wanted to punch someone so hard tbqh.
@@potapotapotapotapotapota ...yeah, once my panic attack subsided and I was actually able to talk. I told him I just wanted to be alone and he still stuck around until I got up.
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Could you do unrealistic crime movies such as the Hannibal Lector character or shows like criminal minds?
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The movie is call 'Till Death'.
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Of course all of this is greatly over-exaggerated, your hair actually looks good on both of you, and your overall likeableness *immensely* overwrites your mediocre looks (ha! Got you!)
Thanks so much for doing this movie! It's a family favorite ❤️
I think it’s important to note that Megamind didn’t assume Bernard’s identity to get with Roxanne - he just didn’t want to be caught mourning Metroman in his fluffy jammies. And I think he continued to hang out with her because he never really had a friend outside of Minion and . . . whatever Metroman was to him. Falling in love was a complete accident.
His bro, Metroman was his bro.
The whole accidentally in love reminds me of Shrek.
They were just two pals trying to one-up each other.
Only friends enter a battle with robot sheep.
In fairness he did keep up the lie for the purpose of hanging out with, and then dating her
And he made Bernard a better person than he actually was!
My uncle once summed up the entire argument thusly: Good people will never have to say they are good people. Their actions will say it for them. Nice people will tell you at every opportunity that they are nice but won’t show an ounce of being good.
True. When people say "you're such a kind person, or you're so nice" to me, I'm always surprised. I mean I try to treat people the way I want to be treated, but I don't go babbling about being nice, it just kind of happens, I guess
That applies to most things, really. If you go around constantly saying you're a certain type of person, you probably aren't.
@@TimedRevolver and vice versa if your saying you aren’t things like I’m not racist or something. You don’t need to say it if you aren’t that thing you existing is proving that your not that thing or that you are that thing
@@fangchick93 same
@@TimedRevolver Corollary to that; if you WORRY that you're a certain type of person, you probably aren't, either.
I love how she isn't scared when Megamind kidnaps her, not just because he's predictable but because she knows he won't actually hurt her. He just uses her to fight Metroman. But with Hal she's horrified because she knows he could and would actually hurt her
she knows that all the threats megamide thows at her are just toys really. she also knows hes a complete fuckin dork
Well mega mind isn't really a bad guy, whereas Hal was always low key a creep even when he wasn't full of powers.
And he does. He literally tries to kill her a couple times before Megamind takes his powers.
If you think about it, the relationship between Megamind, Metroman and Roxane is some kind of weird friendship
@@ShatteredQvartz Definitely. I think Metroman was selfish when Hal got powers and was threatening the entire city, killing people, and taking everyone hostage, and Metroman had the power to stop him but literally decided to just do nothing.
"I do not want to live in a world where we have 3 despicable me's... and only one megamind"
And in the corner of a room, nestled deep in a drawer, tucked away in a dusty box, a single finger on a monkey's paw curled.
Should've stayed that way.
STOP I LOVE THIS COMMENT THE MONKEY PAW THING IS SO REAL
I really hope that pee-cock throws that movie away and actually restarts with a decent one
They're making another megamind it's gonna release hopefully this year
@@allmight5133 yea and it looks like shit
I like the theory that MetroMan chose to be a Music Man because music is something his powers can´t help him with. He has to learn how to play instruments on his own, just like any other human, and that challenge for him is refreshing.
interesting that they brought up the good place as well, because michael an immortal being ends up taking guitar lessons after trying to master it for like 300 eternities
that and the striking resemblance with elvis
That's literally what Metroman is talking about. He says he's good at everything except music but society forces him to be a superhero so he cant have a choice yet
Which is essentially one of the reasons given for Clark Kent becoming a writer.
He also always had a passion for showmanship and spectacle.
One thing that made me fall in love with megamind it's how they dodge the "Oh you saved me and now I'm in love with you" superhero cliche and I'm so glad
Indeed, Roxanne and Megamind actually got to know each other properly, as equals, and not because he saved her.
Plus Metro man saved her all the time and she just didn’t like him that way
100%
Not only did they dodge it, they poked fun at it!
@@trinaq exactly. By the end of the film, Roxie has realized that Bernard is who Megamind really is, and she came to know and care for him on that level. Once he was able to escape the trappings of trying to be the villain, he was free to be himself
Don't look at it as you're disappointed we didn't get more Megamind. Look at it as you don't live in the timeline where Megamind was ruined by tons of terrible sequels.
Please stop commenting "This aged poorly." I know. another 50 people telling me won't make me know it any more than I already do.
although... there's a new show in production rn 👀
@@birbwho Say it ain't so
I hate the accuracy
*glances at ice age*
megamind only having one movie is probably for the better
True. But to be fair, this is Dreamworks. The ones responsible for Shrek 2, Kung Fu Panda 2, and How to Train Your Dragon 2.
Not a guarantee, but the chances are good, I'd say.
Tighten:" This is the last time you make a fool out of me."
Megamind:" I made you a hero. You did the fool thing all by yourself. "
I just love that bit.
Titan*
Titan*
@@jt3948 I know, it was to reference Hal's spelling and his confusion of the two words.
@@roguejester4986 ooooooooohhhhhh, that makes more sense
ooooooooohhhhhh, that makes more sense
There’s something that I always thought was interesting with this movie. When Roxanne is with Megamind in the beginning, when she was “in danger” and waiting for Metroman to save her, she wasn’t scared in the slightest. However, when she was with Hal, she was genuinely terrified of what he would do. It just goes to show how the “Nice Guy” Syndrome is a real problem for anyone.
I saw that scene with megamind and roxanne as she wasn't afraid because she's been kidnapped by him many times and she knew that metroman would beat him and that megamind was a predictable idiot who is most likely reusing some of his past traps.
Hal however was someone/something "new". something that she knew megamind had been working on but not titan's purpose she didn't know if he was good or bad but since megamind was working on him he was probably bad. also his actions seemed unpredictable (one moment flowers the next highway dropping) she only found out when she was on the tower that he was hal.
@@stephwong6422 Yes, but she is also scared/frightened when he asks her out to his appartment as Hal at the beginning, she politely says no multiple times while being uncomfortable when in contrast the "kidnapping" scene is played out jokingly without stakes.
I mean it gets really bland if you get kidnapped by the same guy to the same place,with the same tricks for a LOT of times,on the other hand,Hal is a total stranger to her,so she doesn't know what hal might do or what Hal WOULD do if he gets pissed,plus he's being creepy af
@@stephwong6422 She knew he was... unstable. Mentally unstable, hothead, now supported with phisical power
That's because Hal was sexually harassing her (both as Hal and as Tighten) while Megamind was not. It's kind of a huge difference.
A detail I love is that when Megamind captures Roxane she really doesn’t care and is calm because she knows that Megamind won’t hurt her, but when Titan captures her she is terrified because Titan will actually kill her
Yeah, his reason for capturing her makes her more a close-up audience to the shenanigans he pulls with Minion against Metroman than an actual bargaining chip. He has no deliberate need to hurt her, though he does try to make her SCARED of the danger, not him.
Exactly. It even shows their mindsets in a way--Titan tosses her around like a rag doll with no concern for her safety or terror; there's a creepy sense of "I could coerce her to touch me if she's afraid she'll fall to her death...😏" while Megamind puts her in a flying vehicle immediately. Care for her safety, and as minimal terror as possible. Because he values her as a person, and values her feelings, while Titan only values her as far as he can bully her into submission.
@@DarkFallen001
And it's part of the game. Metroman won't bother with Megamind without a hostage and who better than the reporter who will put it on the news?
The traps etc are to give the illusion of danger FOR METROMAN, for him to treat this more urgently. They are all out of range to hurt her.
Even capturing her his concern is her safety (putting her into a safety car) because hurting her is not the plan. He has no desire to hurt her and they both know it. Hence why she snaps back at him because she feels safe enough to do it.
Megamind only captured her because he wanted to draw out metroman. He was putting on a facade which the public percieved as scary so that metroman would react. He just wanted another showdown with metroman, he wasn't actually looking to hurt anyone.
Basically Megamind is a good guy pretending to be a bad guy. Nothing he does in the movie is really directly harmful to anyone other then Metroman, and he didn't expect it to work in the first place.
In contrast, Metroman is an ordinary guy pretending to be a good guy. He fills the role, but he doesn't really feel the call to do good. He just wants to be left alone to live his life, mostly.
Then Titan is just a bad guy, and not a power-corrupts bad guy, he was bad from the beginning, but lacked the power to fully act on it.
Roxanne basically understands that Megamind isn't actually a threat. He's not going to kill her, or basically anyone else. Until she thinks he killed Metroman, it wasn't even serious.
Fun fact: When hal said “Whats wrong with me?” His original line was “Whats wrong with HER?” Making him even more creepy and even more of a “nice guy”
Oh GOD!
As creepy as that would be, that would be a little too on the nose too quickly. Early movie Hal is supposed to be a kinda cute dork with a crush who seems like he'd make a good super hero once he gets hit with the power thing. Which leads into the nice vs kind thing this video talks about so much.
Your name is pronounced "cooehttæg eEelf
I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes,
like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff.
So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH'
and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.
@@strange4107 lmfaoo
The interesting part to me is how Roxanne was always so kind to Hal despite his awkwardness and his selfishness. She was never dismissive or rude to him. Even in that tower scene where she's trying to explain to him what's going on, she never once raises her voice or gets impatient with him, it's him who gets worked up with her. And that's such a perfect depiction of real life. You can be so kind, and so polite, and it doesn't matter, because if someone has decided you owe them something, they're going to be angry at you just for existing if they don't get it.
Yeah Hal just wanted her to magically be in love with him, he didn't want to put any actual work in, they maybe could have been a couple, Roxanne wasn't a shallow person who was just in love with the superman. Hal just sucked as a person
Why would she raise her voice at him when he can kill her in 2 seconds? That doesn't make sense
@@patrickripleyiii134Roxanne was shallow. She liked that one guy with the glasses who was way better looking than Titan
@@iceburgess461 1. Women tend to like better looking guys
2. Megamind also improved as a person and showed himself to be good. You’ve missed the whole point of the movie and this video.
@@iceburgess461if she was shallow she’d go for metro man. Nobody owes you anything in life, and Hal was always a weirdo who was never properly socialized. It sounds like you need to do some reflecting and personal growth if you think Hal wasn’t in the wrong
I think part of what makes Hal such a brilliant portrayal of the "nice guy" problem is how Megamind behaves in contrast. He pays attention to Roxanne and tries to make her happy. Her, specifically, as an individual. For example, he cleans up the whole city because he notices how sad she is to see the park covered in litter.
By contrast, Hal doesn't try to get to know Roxanne. He sees her as a girl he likes and that's all. "I didn't know what kind of flowers you liked, so I got you all of them." "Girls don't like bouncy houses, they like clowns!" Et cetera. Roxanne could have been literally any woman he thought was attractive and he would have behaved exactly the same way.
At the end of the day, Megamind sees Roxanne as an individual and develops an honest connection to her, while Hal fails to see Roxanne as a person - so not only does he not try to understand her, but he is completely flabbergasted when she doesn't react positively to the reveal that he's got superpowers. For someone who has known her for years, you'd think Hal would understand her basic personality.
So well said!
Yea you just articulated my exact thoughts
He basically thinks it's his lack of powers that are what's keeping himself from her. He gets them, and then starts to believe he is owed her because he has them, and also that he is a "nice" guy.
Well said amazing 🙌🙌
Hal seems like a narcissist.
Megamind is a story about facades. Megamind created his evil persona as a way to push people away to hide how vulnerable he really is, whereas Hal created his nice guy persona to camouflage how despicable he is in an attempt to lure people closer.
This comment doesn't get enough attention! It is so good, because it is so true!!!
I just want to say that you are very wise for quoting this out, and I commend you for your wisdom, this happens a lot in real life, hal was basically like Loki, deceiving everyone, and Megamind shows how people can choose to be better and open up so that they no longer feel pain and hurt alone
And then you have Metroman who felt empty and unsatisfied with all his fame from being a hero so he acted all confident and bombastic
I think his "evil" persona comes from a combination of being adopted by literal criminals as well as society as a whole not really giving him any other real options. Seriously, who would hire him when everyone's already a little scared of him? "Evil" was just him filling the only available niche and he doesn't leave it until the end, when society "allowed" him to.
As for Hal, I don't think it's a "facade". I think he truly believes he's a "nice guy" and is simply doing what he believes "nice guys" are supposed to do. As soon as he gets powers, he uses them to try to get what he believes he's "owed" for being "nice".
@@solidskullz5736I don't think that was an act. All his life, he was told how awesome he was, so he really believed it. He likely quit because:
1. He desired a challenge. Fighting Megamind wasn't a challenge. For his sanity, he needed something his powers wouldn't just make easy. That's why he chose music. Super speed and flight wouldn't make the guitar any easier.
2. He knew Megamind wasn't a real threat to the citizen.
3. Megamind wasn't interested in being evil. Megamind was only interested in having a purpose. Once Metroman left, he knew Megamind would eventually take his place as Metro City's guardian. After all, the only part of super villainy that Megamind truly liked was the rivalry aspect.
It just occurred to me that the "bouncy castle\clown" bit was a great indicator to Hal's true personality. When things don't go as he wants them to he becomes violent (he's beating the car, and really aggressively). And then, when due to his own actions he gets hurt (hurt his hand) he blames others ("stupid car!"). It's played for laughs here but it's a great indicator to what's to come.
The scariest part is that there are guys like him everywhere in real life
Also the audience can look back at that scene and know he was lying because he lives in a tiny little apartment so where was he going to fit a bouncy castle and have a “party”?
My personal interpretation is that he was trying to lure her into a trap where she was alone with him and would feel pressured to do as he said, which is very dark I know, but that’s how I see it
Very nice.
@@baldr6894 not to mention it just came across as subtly as a white van with "🍬cAnDy🍬" spray painted on the side.
@@baldr6894 This has nothing to do with this thread but I named my dog Baldr, with that same spelling. He's a giant, 135lb. floof.
Little detail I love: when Roxanne learns the truth about Megamind, the rain rehydrates all the garbage he and Minion had "cleaned up" earlier. It's a great visual gag, but also I think it's a strong metaphor for Megamind's actions: he was trying to turn his life around for the better, but he was just covering up the problem vs fixing it.
yes !! 😮
Nice catch!
Even when he shows up and says, "I can explain!", the posters of himself in the background say "No You Can't".
@@osmanyousif7849thats why i love the movie, its entertaining
I think the reason why Titan was such a horrible villain is because you can actually envision a "nice" guy actually do such horrible things if they get power. And he is so violent, don't take no as an answer, and thinks he is the one that deserves the girl, even before Hal got his powers which a lot of people have met before. We all know someone as a "nice" guy or girl that thinks they are entitled to everything or any person they are nice to. He's a villain we have in our everyday lives, like Umbridge, which is why we can hate them so much.
Edit: Lol there’s a bit of miscommunication but when I said Hal was a horrible villain, I meant that he’s a well written villain and what made him a good character because he’s a realistic, horrible person that we have all seen and met before.
"Tighten" lmao XD
Yea, I just feel sorry for those that meet them and hope that those who are in the early stages or even the final stage, wake up to the fact that what they are doing is bad and nice doesn't equal good or entitlement.
@@NightKraz1704 Lmao, that was what they wrote in Google and I didn’t question it 😂
The reason some "nice guys" think nice deserves a reward is because they're such selfish people that they have to put in actual effort to act nice. The last 5-6 years have showed that they make up a much larger percentage of the population than I could ever have guessed...
@@elvi1796 "Tighten" _is_ part of the movie as a joke!
Notice when Titan is throwing her around while he's "rescuing" her she's actually screaming, and not once while Megamind is 'threatening' her to draw out Metroman.
That and Roxanne is never actually in danger with Megamind nor feels to be in danger. With Titan... yeah, she feels very, VERY unsafe. :(
lmao roxanne always knows when megamind is just bullshitting
this is probably why she can forgive him at the end. after going through what she did with hal/titan she realizes that Megamind is actually not that bad deep down. Even when Hal was just a camera guy you can tell she felt, at the very least, uncomfortable around him. When he became titan she then really felt unsafe. When she compares that with megamind she realizes that she can trust him. I dunno thinking about this too much lol
@@dragonstooth4223 I actually disagree. I'm certain that she *always* knew he wasn't actually that bad of a guy, just kinda a criminal. She was never afraid of him, because she always knew that he didn't like hurting people, so he wouldn't hurt her. She didn't like him at that point because he chose to be a pariah and to wallow in misery. I think she was able to forgive his lie more because she knew that he had always been wearing somebody elses face. More because of a long time understanding of who he was than because of anything to do with Hal.
It needed maybe another ten minutes or so to flesh out the process of her moving on from his lie and him earning her trust, but everything they needed for that moment was in it from the very first moment they met, long before the events of the movie, it was already part of their characters and their chemistry.
Hal was clearly trying to replicate the iconic romantic flight scene from Richard Donner’s Superman movie.
But while Clark was always considerate of Lois and absolutely assured that she wouldn’t be in any danger, Hal pretty much abducts Roxanne with no consent or warning, and takes her on a joyride where she’s clearly fucking terrified.
I feel like there’s this extra layer of “you could have had nice me but you wouldn’t give me what I wanted so now you get abusive me and that’s on you”
That’s it right there. Where the whole Mr. Nice Guy thing came from. It’s an act with no genuine follow through.
And that's a big reason of why Hal remains creepy even in such a silly movie. He isn't *just* a Nice Guy (TM), he's also genuinely abusive.
His true colors are hidden with the justification he of him being “nice” and that the whole world hasn’t seen how great he is yet. Also a type of male entitlement which is just appalling, but I do think that it is something most men go through and learn in life.
Self-justifying mechanisms all the way, no one wants to be the bad guy so they find someone else to blame, they take their frustrations about themselves and weaponize them against others
@@Gamfluent yep, she falls in love with the personality and sensitivity of a random guy. She's sweet and appreciates good qualities in a romantic partner
“I do not want to live in a world where… we have only one Megamind.”
Be careful what you wish for!
if there's anything the sequel thought us its that sometimes less is more
*time warp trio opening*
button of doom is the real sequel and you cant convince me otherwise. least it feels mostly in character and doesnt add a dozen characters that werent established previously
@@glasshorse6893I don't like barbeques
@@The_Artist_OfficialNOSTALGIA OVERLOAD!!
Megamind’s “villainy” is really just elaborate, over-the-top theatrics and we never even see anyone actually get hurt during them. Whereas, superpowers aside, Hal is the kind of villain that can and does exist in real life, and it makes him so much scarier.
Plus to go along with how you mentioned Megaminds theatrics and them never really hurting anyone, Hal even without superpowers is representing someone who can and has hurt people in real life which adds to his character really being a monster at least for me.
Megamind is the equivalent of the just4laughs channel.
One thing I've never understood is why the cops act so afraid of him. He's clearly not a threat and even "killing" Metro man was an accident. Even his kidnapping of Roxanne is regular and treated like a playful game, not only between the two of them, but Metro man as well.
Megamind is playing the roll he thinks is expected of him.
The contrast really shows in Roxanne's reaction. She was completely relaxed and making conversations while Megamind had her strapped to a chair and waving every death trap imaginable in her face since she knows it's just for show. With Hal she was already unnerved at the really weird party invitation and once he did get powers you could immediately see all the gears in her head switch to "oh shit this guy might just kill me" even before he got mad and started explicitly threatening her.
Hal being shocked that she doesn't immediately love him after he gets superpowers is a good representation of how niceguys assume that getting money will make a girl immediately fall in love with them
Yes, or getting a new cool car or getting ripped.
Ugh there's a whole genre of fake vids based on exactly this premise. The "thot" isnt interested... until she sees his car.... DUN DUN DUN
Like women are vending machines lmao
if you put in enough $$, then s3x and (romantic) love tokens will come out
@@isapheonix Well, I mean... People like that exist. You don't really want them in your life, because they're not there for you, they're there for what you provide, but they exist. One mistake a lot of "Nice Guys" make is believing that ALL women are like that.
@@OfficialROZWBRAZEL Snap out of it man. That is the same for a lot of people but you can’t buy everyone out, that’s just how it is.
I'm actually completely okay with Megamind not getting any sequels. It expertly covered everything it sought out and needed to, didn't leave room for many new stories, and exploitative sequels could very well have ruined the original in hindsight.
Edit: Life is pain.
Your name checks out Dr. Bright
@@cherrrycola3902 Oh boy, you have no idea do you?
Thats exactly how I feel about Avatar The Last Airbender.
@@BigPanda096 No idea about what?
I agree completely. I think the real tragedy here, in terms of movie sequals, is the fact that Despicable Me got so many sequals.
I love the way Megamind mispronunces stuff. He does what my daughter does - uses words she has read but never heard used.
My boyfriend accuses me of learning to speak from books, and any time I mispronounce something, he ribs me with it. It's honestly hilarious.
Oh, this is actually called a 'reader's accent'. I do it all the time. 😅
Speeyider
I really like the way the scene where Hal "rescues" Roxanne is animated. Even when she is actually in his arms, she is just flopping around, and he is doing things like holding her up by her arm (which would be pretty painful). He is literally treating her like an object.
Yes bitches
Gaw dam
Ye
Girl you're just hating on Hal because his face isn't manly. Imagine the same scene except it was the superhero guy with the good jaw from the beginning doing it. It would be a romantic comedy if superhero guy did that.
@@voltinator No bitches?
You know what's so great about Roxanne in this show? She's not a damsel in distress, but she still shows genuine fear when it's warranted. She's not scared of Megamind since she's come to learn he's not a threat to her, and even trash-talks him, but when faced with Tighten she, while still being fairly tough, genuinely does show fear and become afraid of him. It makes her seem like such a real person, like that's how you'd expect someone to act like in her situation: she's not a distressed damsel but she's not this overly brave plank of wood either.
It also expresses the idea that you don't smile when facing a demented psychopath who gets his hands on power for the first time in his life
I didnt like Roxanne. It came across as "I'm too good to be in this movie"
@@somethingclever8916 True, but I think that was the joke. Like, they were making fun of how the hero and the villain are just pointlessly going through the motions, and the damsel character was aware of that and just like 5000% done with constantly being kidnapped. Because she begins to take the movie pretty seriously when Tighten shows up.
Literally what I was thinking, cuz soemtimes writers go too far with the strong woman role that they forget you can be strong and still be scared and have human emotions, but those characters are far less likeable
@@cow167 Oh, they absolutely do. There's a difference between a "strong female character" and a female character that is strong. There's overlap, yeah, but the difference is like the difference between a virgin and an incel.
A big problem, ironically enough, is the "strong female character" embodies a lot of toxic masculinity traits to be "strong". They're these unemotional, bellicose bullies that throw their weight around and act like assholes. Think like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast: most "strong female characters" are written like him, but unironically. And, the same way Belle was at best disinterested and at worst repulsed by him, a lot of viewers are put off by the "strong female character" because they see past their superficial positive traits.
I like the part when Titan brings Roxanne the flowers. It shows how little he *actually* cares for her. He says he knows everything about her and then immediately after he says he doesn't know what kind of flowers she likes. He likes the idea of being with her but doesn't actually like her enough to learn about her.
This is actually a really good point.
Their favourite flowers should be the first thing you learn , like birthday and beloved childhood pet's name.
We I see people acting like this I called it a "Henry viii" move. They like the idea of having the person and enjoy the chase but are bored or unsatisfied when the get it
@@thatgrumpychick4928 A "Henry VIII Move" is a really good name for it. The guy had 2x as many failed marriages as Ross from Friends!
@@thatgrumpychick4928 There is also a kind of opposite/flipped extreme of that to consider & be cautious of too though.
As a silly old joke I've heard before goes: "Nobody loves you more than your stalker". 😅
@@thatgrumpychick4928 Oh wow. I never thought about Henry VIII as being obsessed with NRE but that's totally a thing
@@thatgrumpychick4928 What if she never had a favourite?? What if, she didn’t particularly like flowers though?? Like just didn’t like them in general even if, she didn’t hate them.?
Megamind and Roxanne always seem to have a truly organic connection - there's a definite degree of flirting between them in the initial scene, even if it's subconscious on Megamind's part (he wants her to think he's cool; fretting over his appearance and hoping she'll take him seriously as a threat vs comic relief) that Roxanne does play into somewhat (showing she's not genuinely afraid of him and arguably enjoys, if subconsciously, the attention he pays to her) then when he takes on the Bernard disguise he's actually able to be himself and they effortlessly connect and fall in love.
Hal on the other hand doesn't have any chemistry with Roxanne, doesn't know or care for what she likes or thinks, and just sees her as a prize/object of desire/a thing to feed his sense of self.
Totally agree--the relationship between Roxanne and Bernard doesn't come out of nowhere. He was always a little taken with her and she, at the very least, seems to have always trusted and been amused by him.
Whoever wrote/animated Hal has had experience with these relationships. The way he looks at Roxanne even in the beginning; any woman sees a guy looking at her like that, they are bolting.
Also the way she tries to get personal space and he just keeps overstepping her boundaries even from the start.
5:45 I respectfully disagree that people are born good. Babies are born selfish. Look at toddlers. You have to TEACH toddlers not to hit other kids, you have to TEACH your toddler to share, you have to TEACH your toddler not to throw a tantrum when they don't get their way. People are born selfish and entitled. They have to be TAUGHT goodness. That's why so many children turn out badly, because their parents don't want to take the time to actually parent and teach their children. If children were born good you wouldn't have to teach your kids not to hit other kids, you wouldn't have to teach your children to share, that would be the default setting. They would only hit if they saw their parents hitting each other or if they got hit themselves. But that just isn't the case.
@@WhitneyDahlin Same here. I believe that the actual “default setting” is to just do what it takes to “survive,” since that’s what our instincts tell us to do from the moment we’re born. That’s why we have to learn how to balance our own needs with the needs of others. Our ancient ancestors had to learn to not be selfish because if they didn’t, they would be kicked out of social groups and almost certainly die because of it.
@@WhitneyDahlin No offense, but I've seen some babies born 'default' good.
On a side note: It's half genes, and half upbringing.
I'm rather sure _anyone_ would bolt from any guy who acts like this. Guys are fortunately not the targets, but there also are nice guys who like guys.
If you think about it differently, Megamind's "I'm the bad guy" soliloquy isn't him believing the good guy gets the girl, it's him recognizing that being the bad guy prevents HIM specifically from getting everything he wants, and accepting that as a fact. This makes his decision to do the right thing motivated not by "getting the girl", but doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do, even though he knows he won't get the girl, since he's the bad guy.
He realizes that being the villan prevents him from getting anything he wants, yet he has to be the villan because of Metroman and the city. He could be the good guy but didn't get the chance until he was the only one left.... The last one picked.
This is very true. It shows how ultimately when the chips were down that he did the right thing because it was right, he knew he had nothing to gain from it, he knew he was still be viewed as a villain, and that people would still see him as such. Yet he saved the city anyway, because it was the right thing to do and it came from a selfless place of love, good.
@@lemonzest6988 I see it differently. It's not necessarily because he was "the last to be picked" but rather he never had a chance to shine, especially always being in Metroman's shadow his whole life.
We especially see this as true with the fact that Metroman decides to leave being a hero because he KNEW that Megamind would step up and become a hero if he was just given a chance (no hero overshadowing him). Metroman saw the good in him, he knew that it was all a silly song and dance based only off of public perception, Megamind was a genuinely good person, just dealt a bad hand, over and over again.
@@AzureRadio Actually I agree with you. I think that's how Metroman saw it. But from the other angle, no one else ever wanted Megamind to be the hero. They picked Metroman. It's true that he was always good and that for Megamind it was just an amusing game. He called them his 'glorious failures'. He's actually HAPPY with losing again and again. He just enjoys the challenge of creating new and interesting threats and escaping the cops and making move and countermove. His villany was a game of chess that he was trying to lose. Remember when Metroman told him copper weakened his powers and Megamind floundered because he wasn't sure exactly how to respond to the concept that he was actually at an advantage? Like oh no, I'm going to actually win for once. But I hope that being a hero gives him the same sense of enjoyment.
it's the self fulfilling prophecy. you become what you think you are
“Chicks don’t like bouncy houses they like clowns”
If that were true Hal then she would of already been with you by now.
Burrn
Owned XD
God damn i read this and immediately went "oof"
Oooo sick burn
Gonna need some ice for that burn
25:26 I don’t know if you’re aware of this but u skirted so close to a Sylvia Plath quote! “Girls are not machines that you put kindness coins into until sex falls out” which is so true and eternally applicable
I love the detail that Hal says "I know everything about you" but then immediately after says that he doesn't know what Roxannes favourite type of flower is. Just a cool little detail right there.
It's like youtubers. People always watch their videos and says that they know this youtubers. But, no? This is only a fraction of his live, one that he shows the public because he feels he can want to share it. At the end you know nothing until that person let you know it.
das what i said XD
(no but fr i didn't even see your comment till after i said it too lol)
“I know everything about you! Expect maybe 99% but it’s still something”
Why does the conversation feel so realistic
It's the arrogance of Hal being better at something than he is. I have watched you, worked for you, bought things for you and look at all my effort!
@@luxteroff parasocial relationships are wack
The reason we don’t get more Megaminds is because this movie sleekly covered all bases so perfectly. What else needs to be said?
It literally cannot be beaten. I mean, I'm open to there somehow, possibly being a better movie out there, but I don't think there is one.
No more really but Id be up for more Button of Doom type humor! Just seeing him run around and do his best, being a hero and mostly fighting his own inventions and mistakes ^_^ Still lots to learn in a new arc!
@@bns481 maybe a TV show would be a good way to go about it, short an sweet adventures just for fun on his healing journey (because honestly he's got a lot to work through.)
I'm honestly glad there wasn't a Megamind 2. the bar is just too high and specially big companies tend to make worse sequels because they'll sell for being part of a franchise instead of the plot, the characters or the kind of details all of which Megamind lives for.
on this landscape, I dread a Megamind 2 as the new Shrek the Third
Megamind has completed his growth but maybe there's some story to be had with another character doing the same? Like he could mentor someone again.
Megamind is the perfect example for a film too ahead of it’s time. It got forgotten pretty quick when it came out, now it’s been hailed and beloved so much that it’s getting a TV show.
Wait what the fuck?!
It’s getting a series?? Shoot, it’s probably gonna be exclusive to the dreamworks streaming service right
Excuse me tv show??? :O
My guy just share some sacred information and just dipped without further explanation.
Really??
You fools, you spoke megamind 2 into existence. Look at what you've done.
I think it was in Nuxanor's reaction to why Megamind is a masterpiece where someone commented that Hal, as a former camera man, made Megamind 2 as revenge after he was out on parole
I didn't know before your comment. Why ? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ????
watched megamind for the first time today, i will never ever watch the 2nd
"Just kidding, I know everything about you."
"I grabbed some flowers, I didn't know what you liked, so I just grabbed, you know, all of them."
Perfect example of a NiceGuy (TM)
He may know a lot about her as an idea, but not as a person. He doesn't care about the person.
Right. Like he immediately contradicts himself
Hey! Good catch!
Omg! Great point
Definitely sounds about right for your Mk. I Mod. I incel...
@Beaverish Buck Teeth I was thinking more in terms of the very end of what I was responding to. The non-quote.
I think it's also important to mention how when Titan drops Roxanne, he's the one putting her in danger in the first place. A common thing that's also done in toxic relationships, where the toxic partner picks up a fight, gaslights the person into feeling like they're in the wrong, to just love them more when they're in peace with each other and in love again. I think the symbolism here is fantastic.
"You're unlovable, you don't even deserve love!... Now that you lost friendships due to downspiriling let me give you love"
That's what I read about Hero Syndrome and where the villain Syndrome from "Incredibles" gets his name from. Hero Syndrome is when someone puts another person in dangerous circumstances that they can "save" them from.
My ex boyfriend would only ever compliment me, act loving, listen to me etc the day after one of our bad fights where I'd contemplate breaking up with him. Then it was back to our toxic routine. He kept me around god knows how long doing that.
@@XxXQuickScoperXxXJoinTheParty
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@@XxXQuickScoperXxXJoinTheParty Then. Don't.
The whole scene where he drops her multiple times so that he can "rescue" her is such a horribly amazing abusive behavior. Gives me a stomach ache every time.
Not only mentally but physically, he would have ripped her to pieces. I despise when hero movies show people falling being instantly stopped when caught. The G forces would be astronomical! If anything the hero would be making it worse by adding in a second velocity perpendicular to the first! Bye bye spine lol
@@gusmc2220 Didn't they acknowledge that in a Spiderman movie plotline or something? I forgot,
@FarsideEli1313 do they? Cool. And about time. There's so many Spider-Man movies anymore I haven't watched them all lol
@@gusmc2220 I think Gwen Stacy died? Again, lots of spiderman movies, just like you said.
@@gusmc2220You would like the show The Boys
I CHANGED MY MIND I WANT THE 1 MEGAMIND TIMELINE AGAIN
It is too late it can’t be undone by anything other than major brain trauma so are you with my brother?
*Me
One moment that absolutely terrifies me, is at the end of the scene where Hal is “rejected”, not only does he fly off in a whiny tantrum-y way, but he LEAVES Roxanne on the top of that skyscraper. Not on the roof of a tall building where she can get down - on a spire where she’s left completely stranded. I thought that was a good, subtle, and completely chilling example of how deeply selfish “nice guys” are.
I always wondered how she got down.
That moment always scared me! Like, seriously, how did she get down???
Yeah that scene threw me too. Like, I legit said to my then girlfriend "Wait...Did he just.....How did she get DOWN?! :o "
Exactly! That was my first thought when I saw that scene. Like, how is she supposed to get down from there? It really just shows you that he doesn't actually care about her or view her as a real, valuable person. She only has value and is deserving of respect, care, and assistance when she fits into whatever mold he's envisioned. That's the most terrifying type of partner.
@@GothGobbo I rewatched it recently, and I thought I saw a ladder attached to the side as a maintenance thing
What's so interesting to me as well that I didn't notice until this video, Roxanne isn't really scared of someone until Hal tries to "rescue" her a few times. The whole first half of the film she was so calm and collected around Megamind, but when hal becomes Titan she's genuinely terrified.
Of course she would be, she knew he was into her and as far as I remember she never directly told him the hell off directly.
Of course I'm not blaming her for this, that's her partner and she decided for one reason or another to not do so.
But even a moron can tell which people that get power would become absolute monsters
@@salpertia Because even before he got superpowers he was bigger and stronger than her (like, she's a little taller, but Roxanne is skinny af). And she's probably seen how he reacts to anger, what with working together for years.
Notice how uncomfortable she gets when he's trying to convince her on a date in the beginning, and she's trying to let him down gently but he just refuses to understand the word no.
@@salpertia She shouldn't have had to directly tell him this. Her body language, facial expressions, and clear lack of interest in him should have tipped him off that his attraction was one-sided, but Hal either refused to see this or he can't read nonverbal cues. Neither of those are Roxanne's fault.
@@Choshako We can call Hal a monster without resorting to tarring people who have legitimate difficulty reading nonverbal cues. People with difficulty reading nonverbal cues know they have difficulty reading nonverbal cues and don't flip the fuck out when someone finally directly tells them they've been reading the situation wrong. They listen and are generally grateful for the clarification. They might be hurt or embarrassed, but not being able to read cues well isn't the same thing as entitlement.
And what Hal was was pretty classic entitlement. It's spelled out pretty clearly with "space dad" telling him that if he rescues her she'll be his. That sets up the entitlement. That clarifies the terms he's thinking of the situation in. Honestly, if I'm going to blame Megamind for one thing, it would be giving Hal that bit of advice, because that is really, really wrong. It's mostly down to him believing all the hero villain tropes too much, but it's probably the most destructive manifestation of him buying into that social construct.
@@MsLilly200 "And she's probably seen how he reacts to anger..."
Also in the beginning. 7:06.
even as a kid, i liked how megamind respected roxanne’s boundaries. he was unlike hal who kept pushing his agenda onto her, even though she said no and her body language showed that she was uncomfortable. also, roxanne is the og girlboss.
So true bestie
Megamind didn't respect her boundaries. He pretended to be Bernard specifically to get *around* her boundaries. It's interesting that people see why Hal is a problem, but not why Megamind is, who is a career criminal who has destroyed Metrocity multiple times and who is deceiving Roxanne.
@@TheSequentCalculus it's obvious why, women only like bad boys, they forgive them for their faults but not a nice guy like Hal. smh.
@@TheSequentCalculus the problem now relies on... how do you show that you're good, different without deceiving, if people don't give you a chance in the 1st place. However it was still an accident not intentional of sorts.
@@TheSequentCalculus thing is Megamind first got roped into it. He was trying to hide, then Roxanne talked to him about his secret lair and he knew he had to get her to leave by convincing her as Bernard. That failed and he grew attached. He knew he couldn’t keep lying, so he revealed himself. When she didn’t want him, he let her leave because he knew he fucked up.
appreciate the call-out for Hal's flight animations and the shots at Metro Tower. This whole movie is animated with so much more care than I expected; all the action feels so impactful, more so than a lot of live-action superhero movies even.
Oh, and the thing where Hal only hears his superhero name spoken, never written, and then when he carves it into the city he spells it "TIGHTEN" - cracks me up every time.
As someone who was stalked, I felt genuine fear for Roxanne once they gave the creep power. They gave him a means of access to her that he didn't have before...
Its a kids movie why scared?
@@YBNKASHWAYS Just flashbacks. Nothing was going to happen to her plot wise because of the age rating, no crap. But he did certainly abuse that new access and endanger her just like I anticipated he would.
@@YBNKASHWAYS Maybe you didn't watch this video, you know, where two guys say "It's not a kids movie." Orrr maybe you're just a troll.
But yeah I actually felt fear for this fictional character while just watching scenes in this video. I'm pretty sure I watched the movie but I remembered literally nothing from it but the characters, so this was like my first real experience of it... and then they skipped the big action and went straight to the ending with no warning!
@@YBNKASHWAYS Now, imagine if it wasn't...
I like Levi too
"this is not a kids movie"
100% agree. In fact that's why despicable me won over this one, because megamind appeals more to adolescents than children. It's megaminds character growth that appeals to me in this movie which is something younger children wouldn't be able to understand.
I use megamind in high school English classes when we are talking about the hero’s journey. It’s near perfect.
This movie came out when I was in college. The whole girl's dorm was terrified of Hal
Idk man,,, 6-8 year old me was all over Megamind
It really depends, it came out in theatres when I was like 10 and it has been a favorite movie since then. It really depends on the kid
Despicable Me 1 is a fine (if rather strange) movie with plenty of character development. The sequels and spinoffs were cash grabs, but I still respect the original for its story.
I think a point that was left out in this video is that "nice" guys can actually became dangerous when they are in a position of power and feel their "property" is threateaned.
At the begining, Roxane dismisses Hal's creepy behaviour because she considers him to be harmless, until he wasn't.
"Oh NOW you respect me, because I'm a THREAT."
-Syndrome
Yes.
Give a nice guy power, give him all the shit he wants. He won’t be a “nice guy” anymore…every time.
@@cum_chef That is completely false and unjustifiable of you to say. A lot of people fake being nice to gain something, sure, but there are genuinely good people out there.
@@CaptainHusky2014 That's literally the entire point even in this video: The nice guy versus the good guy.
The nice guys are normally not nice and are fake af to get what they want, and will turn on a dime when they don't get it.
The good guys are genuinely "good" and are the actual nice ones.
Hal was a "nice" guy who showed his true colors when Roxanne outright rejected him. He acted like Roxanne was obligated to him and continually kept suggesting creepy af shit they could do (such as a "party" at his place where it'd be the two of them and a wedding photographer) like she was destined to be his. When she finally rejected him outright after his crazy af flying stunts, what did he do? Decided to become an actual bad guy fully by destroying the city, terrorizing the people, and becoming a genuine unhinged psychopath...especially after Megamind revealed that HE was the one that stole Roxanne's heart because Megamind was under the assumption that he'd adhere to the Hero/Villain showmanship banter and fighting as opposed to going full blazed psychopath.
Megamind, despite starting off "bad" was genuinely an actual "good" guy who took an introspective approach when Roxanne rejected him, and what did he do? He turned himself in to the police and didn't throw a tantrum because he knew he went about things all wrong. And then he turned around again and did some good by saving Roxanne as well as Metro City. Yeah, he made mistakes such as throwing his relationship with Roxanne in Hal's face to egg him on, but he learned and grew from those mistakes and those rejections versus Hal completely going the inverse and going explosive crazy.
@@OliverTCrowe My friend, thank you for enlightening me ^^.
Whoever wrote the captions and keeps calling Hal "Tighten," you are my hero.
Honestly just shows how well this movie was written. Being "nice" doesn't always mean you're a "hero", and being "bad" doesn't mean you're automatically a "villain". This movie showed this perfectly.
Ah, yes...expanding the moral spectrum in a healthy way. I just love this movie :3
good comment but L profile pic
To be honest, I am tired off people trying to be nice just for getting a girl.
Now I cannot be nice (Which I am because of modals) because people may think other things...
This is why I love the move.
No actually it doesn’t. Make it mine created Hal the way he was. It made him I had given him powers he would not have run amok. It is because of what Megamind did that Hal ran amok he gave him powers to a guy who was already emotionally disturbed plus he lied to him. You can’t expect a good outcome if you give a person who is being bully the same powers as superman, that person is going to use his powers get back as bullies but without training a self control that person is going to hurt his would be bullies. This is the case of Hal, while he wasn’t bullied he was a very depressed person who felt he was being used and his powers weren’t given exactly what he wanted. He became unhappy very quickly.
@@UserName-zb8ql ..bruh.
I love how, as a kid, i thought Hal was genuinely funny and charismatic but just became "evil" after being handed superpowers, but then i grew up and noticed: "oh nah, he was creepy all along."
It’s a great example of the captain America type superpower. It doesn’t make you a superhero, it just amplifies what’s already there
@@Emnms68 yoooo this is such a brilliant analogy
@@FastforwardxD **dramatic bow** why thank you.
@@Emnms68 this ain't reddit, but here *gives an award*
@@FastforwardxD r/wholesomechunguskeanumoment
“There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no Queen of England.”
Ah yes, the line that aged the best in this movie
GOD SAVE THE QUE-
Oof
😭😭
It was always correct, there hasn't been a Queen of England since 1714; as the Kingdom of England ceased to exist (upon merging with the Kingdom of Scotland) and was replaced by the Kingdom of Great Britain.
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One of the best phrases i heard for nice vs good is this :
"A good person will help you when its inconvenient, a nice person may just walk by"
or something like that.
Roxane getting with Megamind is perfectly fine to me. Mostly because he never expected her to forgive him for his deceptions, he just couldn't stand by while she was in danger and it was her choice to forgive him and move forward from there. His plan even was to give Metroman all the credit, and I don't think Minion revealing the ruse to Roxane was part of the plan either, that was probably Minion's decision. In essence he is rewarded for being a truly good person rather than superficially good like Hal was, and while it may be more realistic that Roxane should have given him a bit more time to re-earn her trust, given that we didn't get any more movies it does keep things nicely wrapped up with no hanging loose ends.
I agree. I think Roxane felt empathy because she learned to know all the things that made Megamind be that way. He suffered so much, as much as that doesn´t excuse bad behavior, he was in the process of learning and growing and had so much potential and she could see that. She knows she has probably wronged people before. None of us a great all the time. When we don´t give second chances ever I feel we also fall into the nice guy trap, where we think we are always good and deserve the best but never account to other people´s journeys.
The best part was when megamind as metroman scared Hal away. The day was "saved" and the people have peace of mind now. But Roxanne went and took down the disguise to show that it was megamind who saved them. She was showing the public what she already knows......... megamind is a good person deep down. He just needed a chance to show it through his actions which he did
For me, I just guessed that at the end of the movie, Roxanne wasn't quite with Megamind yet, but she was opening up to him in a more romantic way, since they already had that sassy tension between them at the beginning of the movie.
@@giboi03 same! It felt like more of a “I forgive you” than a “wanna go steady?” Lol. If they had spent less time as megamind and Roxanne (as opposed to time as Bernard and Roxanne) both before and after the betrayal, I might feel differently about her coming around, but it read very naturally to me that they would (eventually) rekindle the relationship.
For the dogshit why did she forgive him/why are they together version of this, see “passengers” lmao
I mean, changing your face to look human in order to look human because you've been shunned tour whole life for looking like an alien isn't a lie, its an escape. He at the time, wanted to be Bernard so it didn't feel like a lie, it felt like a reimagining of himself.
I also loved how the prisoners raised him and educate him even if it is unorthodox. The so called prisoners that we treat only as criminals who are not human helped raise this kid with no family. A lot of Megamind came from this.
I like this new perspective, I never thought of that one before
Wow, good point!
I love how they find him in the prison yard and one guy immediately says "Can we keep it?", while looking pleased and excited by the idea. Note too how Megamind later refers to the prison as "home", and it's made obvious that he sees the Warden as a father figure.
calm down fella, its a cartoon movie... criminals are nothing like this 99.999999% of the time
@@cinamoonmoon but they are still human and megamind shows that really well
I remember as a kid finding it strange how Hal literally doesn’t care that Metroman, the protector of the city, straight up died.
In all fairness, this was probably a godsend in the eyes of Hal himself - Metroman is dead, he can finally have the girl that he always wanted. Only for Megamind to show up
especially since roxanne watched him "die"!
I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes,
like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff.
So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH'
and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.
He immediately tries to use his absence to lure Roxanne into his home.
22:30 I remember someone saying, of writing a plot, "Is this the most interesting period of your characters' lives? And if not, why aren't you making that movie instead?"
Two great things about Hal vs Megamind & their interactions with Roxanne:
• Unlike in some movies, Roxanne does NOTHING to “deserve” Hal’s treatment. He just can’t deal with rejection.
• Megamind saves her AFTER she rejects him. He takes her words to heart and learns from his mistakes.
The shocking trend is to hate nice guys and not help them and isolate them but every single nice girl female Incel? Feminist is innocent. Weirdo bizzaro world we live in. Alright have fun getting clapped. Lmao. That simply creates more Elliot Rodgers. The ultimate Man everyone should become more of is Jesus Christ. Not some cartoon characters. Where only those who go unto it battle with ideology but lose.
Like megamind say: losing but you can learn from them
Very good points.
@@koko_sponge Yeah! He learns from his mistakes-not just tactically but emotionally.
Roxanne didn’t deserve it but she didn’t do anything to prevent it. Hal was a very emotionally unstable individual as he was punching his van out of rage, Roxanne was absolutely aware of this, so what’s the best course of action dealing with such people…ah that’s right…ignoring and rejecting them without skipping a beat. Roxanne was stupid to treat hal like that and hal was equally stupid for behaving that way for a crumb of poosy.
My dad had a quote about "learning to be good," when you've been taught to be bad: "The point of trying to be good isn’t to get something in return. It’s to stop putting unneeded negativity back into the world. Being good for the sake of goodness, because goodness is, in itself, worth creating."
This is a really good quote
Your father is a wise man.
Why is "goodness" worth creating?
Why not?
@@admaanhason7410 the same reason beauty or art is worth creating. It makes life livable.
This movie is CRIMINALLY underrated. It’s loaded with jokes, has amazing cast performance and has a moral without being preachy!
Edit: so glad to see a lot of u feel this way too. The recognition for this movie was LONG OVERDUE
I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes,
like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff.
So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH'
and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.
That pun made me laugh way too hard, I think my humors broken
I don’t think it’s underrated now. In fact, there have been memes and videos made about it. The best way to say it was that it *was* underrated. I guess not many people never gave animated movies enough credit back then.
I think it’s good to be a jerk online to be less of a jerk in real life.
@@1mol831 You can still do a lot of damage being a jerk online.
"I do not want to live in a world where we have only one _megammind"_
THE PAINNNN
Yeah, that was the one line involving the first movie that didn't age well.
I think it's fine that Roxanne falls for him because, even though he lied to her, he made up for it in ways beyond saving her. He actively wants her to be happy, wants her to be safe. There's this idea that people need to be properly "punished" for any perceived wrongdoing regardless of their circumstances or their attempts at apology, and that forgiveness should only come after an arbitrarily set amount of groveling. As if people need to suffer and stew in their misery before they're allowed any redemption.
At the end of the day, Roxanne liked Megamind as a person and chose to be with him. He was a good person who made a mistake. He didn't need to be punished any further.
I like that.
I agree with you entirely
this. roxanne already had a soft spot for megamind and yes, he fucked up, but was properly contrite about it and made amends by saving her without expecting anything in return (like hal did). in the end it's roxanne's choice to forgive him, and she did, since she knows he's still inherently a good person
this deserves wayy more likes
I agree. I also think that Megamind demonstrated his changed character by letting go of his own bid for glory and taking up the metroman persona because saving the city mattered more than being the hero.
Therapist: “Hey, tell my friend he’s ugly. Roast the hell out of him.”
That… that is a strong level of irony you can only get from being good friends, and one of those friends being a therapist.
someone should crosspost just the clip of him asking to be roasted to r/roastme
I couldn’t resist a good roast lol
you know...I wanna, just for comedic value but...I got nothing
1/10. Poor quality roast. (Alan here)
Alan here: Please do this. Please please please.
I love that when Roxanne gets kidnapped by Megamind and he "threatens" her with his numerous gadgets, she just doesn't give a rat's ass cuz she knows he's bullshitting. But when Hal keeps "rescuing" her and throwing her around, she panics and she screams.
Roxanne knows the actual threat when she sees it.
The unpredictable is the most frightening. the one that don't show you his boundaries.
What also adds to it is that Roxxane also had no idea what Tighten was capable of. With Megamind, she was able to literally predict everything about him, and was aware it was just going to play out exactly the same as always. Megamind scoops her up, keeps her situated in his lair, and all she really has to do is sit and wait until Metroman arrives on the scene to rescue her. In comparison, she has no idea what Hal's actual motives are, nor what he plans to do with her, which makes him so much more terrifying to her, because she has no time to relax or prepare for a worst case scenario, she essentially just has to pray that she makes it out of the situation alive, something she's never had to do with Megamind
Megamind could be a threat, he's too smart to not be. But he's not dangerous. He's a threat without being threatening. Hal is a danger because he has no decorum and respect and consideration. Where as Megamind does it for show and purpose, Hal does it for sheer human greed.
Don't give em ideas!
Well, not to mention she had just figured out what Megamind's hanging cards spelled: Titan. She knew he was somehow related to Megamind and therefore could not be trusted.
Not going to lie, you guys gave me a realization that im still living in the stage of “nice guy” mixed with my bipolar 1 disorder.. i literally cried. And now i wanna seek help to have someone to talk to about myself. I love you guys ❤ film and music as a passion and the deep dives of therapy is a great insight.
hope you're able to get the help ya need, always a great thing to see people work to change themselves for the better.
hope you were able to get the help you needed and that everything is going well for you
I want to add a point to the whole Titan introduces himself to Roxane scene. Hal believed he had to "save" her for her to fall in love with him. His solution for that was to actively endanger her life and catch her, repeatedly. Ignoring the fact that the idea was false, it's not "saving" someone when you put them into those circumstances in the first place. And not just in regards to physical danger.
And then when she rejects him he leaves her in a dangerous situation which shows he wasn't actually interested in her wellbeing at all. Totally agree with you!
Yep and Megamind literally creates the problem of the movie. He created most of the problems including the villain.
@@gapsule2326 most of the problems megamind made were by accident, none of hal's were.
Something I always found interesting is that Hal says that he knows everything about Roxanne, but then when he gets her flowers, he says "I didn't know what kind you like, so I just got all of them." It shows that even though he was basically obsessed with her, he never took the time to actually get to know her.
That's such a good point! I've seen it more often: people who don't feel they need to "bother" with basic niceties like personal gifts and thoughtfulness, because they "know" and "love" their crush, almost holistically as it were.
I suspect it's the same people who feel like they don't have to ACT good because they "know" they ARE good.
I mean, how could he? He says later on in the movie that she never bothered to ever hang out with him outside of work. Is he supposed to stalk her to find that out?
@@bevvvy1374 Hal could've gotten to know her through work and figured out her likes and dislikes. Honestly even I could figure out what to get Roxanne by the first few minutes of the film (books and nerdy things), her personality really stands out. The fact that Hal couldn't figure it out after years of working with her and having conversations with her is on him.
@@isntsheabeaut7456 You can only get to know someone if they let you and judging by Roxanne's attitude towards him, she never did. Books and "nerdy things" are such nebulous things that it's basically the same thing as what he did.
@@bevvvy1374
Note: sorry my comment was getting long and I was getting tired, I'll finish writing my example later
You're right that books and nerdy things are nebulous, I was trying to make the point that the audience probably knows/cares more about her personality than Hal, but it was a bad example.
But judging by Hal's attitude and his actions throughout the film, he acts like someone who doesn't want to know who she is as a person, and is simply trying to win over an object. For example,
Roxanne seems to be generally open about herself, even to strangers or people who she has no romantic interest in. Remember how Roxanne had a negative opinion of Bernard at the beginning of the film in the museum elevator (she thought he was boring, similar to the way she felt about Hal). But that changes after Megamind enters Bernard's body and says something meaningful/profound (in Roxanne's opinion at least).
I know we saw Roxanne being uninterested in Hal even in the beginning of the movie, but that's because he's never talking about her interests (which he can just ask if he doesn't know) or even his own passions (which he doesn't have any and he should really get some). I wouldn't say "Want to come to my bouncy castle party" falls under either of these categories. He's always saying boring or borderline offensive things (to Roxanne's intelligence).
I know we have to make assumptions about how Roxanne treated Hal before the film, but based on Roxanne's personality and Hal's personality, I'd rather assume that Roxanne probably did give Hal a chance to be friends in the beginning, but Hal was too focused on getting in Roxanne's pants to actually get to know her.
"Chicks don't like bouncy houses! They like clowns!"
Hal, if girls like clowns, why don't they like you then?
oooooooo buuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn
Holy shit bro
Emotional damage
“Hello 911? I would like to report a murder!”
Oh fuck! Does anyone remember first aid from health class???
The Puppy Punter absolutely sounds like something Megamind would invent during his villain arc.
This movie taught me two things
1) People who seem to take pride in being "bad guy" are really just so desperate for attention they'll accept any role the community gives them
2) People who take pride in being "the nice guy" are often just waiting for a chance to flex whatever power they can get on whomever society will allow them to
3) Presentation
number 1 is giving me cassy vibes from euphoria :))
what happens if someone is “both”?
Apply that 2nd one to people who virtue signal to much are usually have skeletons in their closet.
@@hanatemonstas4485 I'm not sure if that's possible but I could be wrong who knows. how would both work out?
“I know everything about you” right into pausing for flowers and saying “I didn’t know what you liked…” is PERFECT scripting.
I never even put that together
OMG YEAH
I've always noticed this, and its not that long after the scene where Roxanne tells Megamind (Bernard) about the park...dude cleans the place up asap because he paid attention to what made her sad/happy without expecting anything in return because she'll never know he did it for her.
@@gRinchY-op5vr exactly!
He knows everything about Dream Roxanne that he creepily watches and has created in his head.
“Oh you’re a villain all right, just not a super one.” “Oh yeah? What’s the difference?” “PRESENTATION!” One of the most underrated movie lines ever
I love that scene SO MUCH!
And he's right. Kinda.
A supervillain is usually someone iconic, someone who leaves such an impression that his name invokes fear and recognition. Yes that usually means they're more dangerous than regular villains, but most importantly, everyone knows who they are. Like the joker. Or Thanos.
From what I remember, Megamind is filled with underrated quotes.
I love that scene so much too. I especially love the music. Also love ironman’s scene “monkeys in a barrel”.
Definitely not underrated these days
"I dont wanna live in a world where we have 3 Despicable Mes and 2 spinoffs, and only one Megamind"
This just shows that we have to be careful what we wish for. We got what we wanted, and now it's too late to go back, cause we know that peacock isn't gonna pull a sonic :(
My favorite part is something you didn't mention
Hal: "I know everything about you"
Hal, in the next line: "I got you flowers, but I didn't know which ones you like."
This hits hard because that's a thing you can just ask, and not all women like special kinds of flowers
X2 IXYSIS es la escena que más me deja xD?
Some whamen don't like flowers
@@digiphonix03 some whamen are allergic T_T
That is an awesome point that I didn't even catch....I know everything about you (You are pretty and I want you and that is all I need to know) I don't know anything that I would know from actually talking to you as a person because you are an object that I wish to own.
Didn't she actually say at one point what her favorite flowers were? I swore she dropped some small line like that.
As a kid I though metroman was super selfish letting mega mind run rampant. As an adult I still think he was super selfish but I think he ultimately believes megamind won’t ruin everything.
He's selfish, but I think that his leaving the superhero role to let Megamind do his own thing subtly showed a lot about their relationship. Metroman trusts Megamind to do the right thing, because he saw that Megamind isn't inherently evil and that he wouldn't actually try to hurt anyone. Seeing Megamind's goodness was more apparent and impactful when it was Roxanne, but Metroman's realization of it was just as important because it led to Megamind being able to truely show who he was without a superhero confining him to the role of villain.
@B O ꓭ I think the Suicide Squad game, if that's what you're talking about, is because the Justice League is mind controlled by, I assume, Brainiac. I know I spelt that wrong
I don't think Megamind was selfish, really. I mean, everyone forced him to be a hero, he never wanted it.
Is a child selfish for not being a doctor as their parents demand? Is someone selfish for staying home from work because they have the flu?
Selfishness and self care are two different things
@@drawingbluejay7938 to be fair, he didn't get to chose what he wanted in life
Now that I'm older, I can see the logic behind Metroman's faked suicide albeit it's not framed to be a good thing either. Metroman, after dealing with Megamind enough to get to know him well, realized that Megamind is nowhere near evil enough to actually be of serious harm to the city so he knew that it was only a matter of time before Megamind grew out of his upbringing to realize who he truly was. However, he didn't expect Megamind to attempt relapsing so hard, and he especially didn't expect the creation of Titan, a person who is evil enough to be of serious harm to the city. In other words, Metroman had a plan that backfired extremely hard, but in the long run ended up working but not in the way he intended.
Man, that bouncy house scene, Hal really freaks me out because his reaction to the rejection was violence, he just starts hitting things and getting angry. From that alone I'd think he'd be an abusive partner.
Considering he is named after Hal 2000, I am not surprised.
when saying "stupid van broke my finger"
he externalized his actions onto an inanimate object to shift responsibility away from his failure to woo the girl
it shows a marked lack of connection to self and sociopathic tendencies
its similar to the moment before when he's ignoring her polite rejections and supplanting "so thats a soft yes for thursday" to avoid reality. hal was always crazy.
The scary part for me was to recognize Hal's behavior in myself, the nice guy syndrome is scary
ngl punching things out of anger seems to be a guy syndrome thing
I’ve heard of a lot of holes in drywall, just sayin
@@ninjireal people who do this have let themselves become hardwired for aggression. It isn't healthy and leads to abusive relationships.
Getting rejected is not pathetic. What's pathetic is begging, and "convincing", and obsessing over someone who's not interested.
Is more like entitlement and it can get very dangerous. It's a power dinamic where the person has resentment after rejection and wants to posses the person out of spite and pride.
Ladies this comes from experience, NEVER UNFRIEND A GUY OUT IF THE FRIENDZONE.
I feel like Megamind was only ever really "evil" because he grew up that way. He landed in a prison, he was raised by criminals and kept in isolation. Really he's a pretty decent guy.
And even then he initially tried to do good at school, but once he saw that didn’t work he played the villain. But even as a villain we never see him hurt civilians, not even Roxanne who he’s captured enough times to where she’s not scared bc she know he won’t hurt her
He's just like dophenzmit
@@joaopedrofm1299 you mean doofenshmirtz? In PnF?
"Just because you are bad guy does not mean you are 'bad' guy."
@@marctaco2624 "Thanks, Satan."
I feel like it’s also important to note that Megamind pretending to be Bernard was never malicious. Like the reason the whole situation started was just because he was embarrassed to be in his pajamas and then the situation just kind of got away from him, ya know?
Obviously it was wrong and he was still lying to her blah blah I’m not condoning it, I’m just saying he never set out to trick Roxanne into falling in love with him
I feel like there was always some kind of attraction between them in a flirty way. Bernard just happened to be a coincidence to hide the "moronic supervillain" filter from her and see a different side of him. Of course it was wrong but I feel the message was that, in the end, Megamind learns from this (the first real bad thing he did intentionally) and after watching her hurt he never did it again. He experiencied "evilness" and then rejected it.
@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 I actually LOVE that last sentence- Thinking on it, Megamind had never really BEEN evil, as much as he played into the performance of it all as a role he had taken on. He was not genuinely happy when he thought he had killed Metro Man, and if he was actually evil, he wouldn't have remorse about lying to Roxie either. Many people claim to be good, then do awful things; Megamind claims to be evil, but then is still shown to act primarily neutral/good.
Perspective matters too. Maybe Megamind will tell her one day, but at the time of their fight she had zero insight into why he would pretend to be someone else and approach her.
Megamind himself never apologized for the evil he committed. And at the time of the fight, she had just figured out that he is still plotting something and had seen the consequences of that plot firsthand. Whether intentional or not, Megamind's actions had put her life in danger. Most especially, she is in the midst of a huge betrayal of trust. She believed this person to be someone he was not, and she has had zero time to process it when he runs after her in the rain.
One thing I do dislike about the film is the blame game Megamind plays with her in the battle at the end. He implies that it's her fault he lost the crucial item needed to defeat Titan because she dumped him in the rain. But that series of events played out the way they did BECAUSE he chose to continue the lie.
@Brianna I don't think he was playing a blame game with Roxanne there though. Remember Megamind is bad at social skills due to never being around people so sometimes what he says may come off wrong. But he even said that he lost it the night she dumped him, not that he lost it because she dumped him. He did add the whole alone in the rain (and even started to get sad still clearly feeling the heartbreak of it) and then asked if she ever looked back (the little hope he had of them getting back together) after she said no he dropped it (it was clear he wanted to talk about it and was testing the waters. Same way he was when he asked Roxanne if she would like him if he wasn't normal and had the skin completion of a primary color) but when he dropped it I think he also tried to pretend it didn't happen to cope the best way he can. But after the reveal that Metro was alive and wouldn't do anything he lost hope. He didn't see himself as a good guy and truly believed he was a villian and didn't deserve happiness, so of course when his last hope of getting the hero back backfired he gave up. He was still just a villian without a hero and he would never get the girl he was inlove with because villians don't get to be happy, which is why he turned himself in. But then seeing Roxanne in trouble he went to save her, he still clearly played into the villain part saying "oh your a villian alright, but not a super one" and then came out with a big presentation yelling how presentation makes the difference. He only did that to save the woman he loves, it was in his final moments he realized because of Roxanne belief in him that he can be the good guy and I believe that dawned on him when he chased Titan away. I believe so because he was hesitant to tale Roxanne's hand, it was almost like he just realize he could get the girl and if he could he could also be the good guy
I had completely forgotten that was why he first imitated Bernard 😭 so relatable tbh
"Chicks don't like bouncy houses!"
As a chick, I can say with all honesty, we do love bouncy houses: those are awesome no matter _what_ age you are.
wholeheartedly agree.
Eh, I grew out of them
@@gravybones. I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes,
like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff.
So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH'
and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.
@@loturzelrestaurant im not quite sure i understand what ur talking about? I just like bouncy castles lol. But if u mean that spreading awareness is important for society, they yeah, i agree
@@gravybones. Yeah, i meant to say spreading awareness truly helps.
Thats why i love recommending RUclipsrs like Oversimplified, Hbomberguy, Sci Man Dan, Professor Dave, and many more.
“You complete me” watched that and just had the joker ‘s voice from the dark night playing in my mind over that scene
This film really felt ahead of its time. A villain who's a textbook incel. A female love internet who breaks the tropes of the damsel in distress. This film would be a hit if it came out today.
A female love internet ✨
Roxanna is a generic modern woman and the movie dosent even pass the bechdel test.
@@chestnut4860 what is the bechdel test
@@chestnut4860 explain pls
The bechdel test is if there's a scene featuring two women talking together in a scene without it being about a man. It's a test to see if there are female characters who's primary purpose in the story don't revolve around a male character.
"Power just makes you more of who you are" I think they portrayed this perfectly with Hal
if you gain a superpower that makes it possible for you to do anything, literally ANYTHING, and get away with it, ¿what would you do? You (talking in general) would be surprised at yourself.
"If you want to test a man's character, give him power"
-Abraham Lincoln
But absolute power also corrupts absolutely.
@@charlescole645 one time or several? If several - I'd write a list with no problems.
1) Fix my health. Having chronical problems sucks.
2) create more time available for myself so i could both study enough, sleep well and do the sports and hobbies I enjoy. I wish I didn't have to choice between preparing for an exam, going to a graded PE class, sleeping, doing scientific research and maintaining a romantic relationship.
3) fix a major conflict everyone around seems to dislike.
4) make a commitment to a scientific field I find desirable.
ETC.
"The measure of a man is what he does with power." - Plato
Are we quoting historical figures now?🤣😂
The Line, "And there is No Queen of England" was ahead of its time clearly, especially after yesterday. Megamind truly was the greatest option
Rip the Queen 🥺
:(
So true. Rip bozo
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@@keziaburrows3554 rip bozo
"Be child like, not childish"
I don't know where it originated from, but it is a great quote.
I don't really think they're "together" at the end. She gives him a hug which means they're still close, but there's no final kiss like a lot of romantic plots have. I think this was deliberate to show she's willing to give him another genuine chance, but it's too soon by the end of the movie. They're gonna work as being friends for now and MAYBE something more in the future
She jumps into his arms and kisses him on the cheek right before the credits, though, tbf. Which does imply more strongly that they are together, but like, it could still be fairly casual, it's not like they're _engaged_ or anything
You could say that they were kind of dating while Megamind was Bernard during the Mr Blue sky montage. At this point she knows the extent of who he his, so I think the end is her making her mind up because he's made the official decision to be the good guy and prove himself.
There isn't anything explicitly saying how long the time skip was from the final battle to the hero ceremony thing, despite it feeling like it happened nearly right after I bet it would take awhile to make such a large statue and it wouldn't be very tasteful to do that sort of thing when there's still major damage onto the city that needs to be repaired; I think it'd be a reasonable assumption to think it's been maybe a couple months at least.
I mean I do think he has a date at the end of the movie at the very least, but it’s up to them both how things will develope furter.
They are together but it's a kids' movie.
As a woman, the scene where Hal is throwing Roxanne around is genuinely terrifying. So many women, myself included, get put in positions where men disregarded our safety & scare us, then think we should be impressed just because we didn't get hurt. Then when they're on the tower and he starts to get angry - In real life, most women would've just said they liked him out of fear.
For real though that scene triggered my fight or flight response so bad
@@Sinvm5fz honestly, I'm a dude, and I was even unsettled by it.
@@Sinvm5fz Same!!!! Having been in an abusive relationship (ok, a couple), I completely get it! I 100% understood her anger and fury at his cavalier attitude toward her own personal safety. He's essentially the classic incel. He thinks he has rights b/c XYZ (in this case, superpowers), and when he gets denied his rights, he gets mad. And mad is scary when there's strength and power behind it.
I've heard women share some stories online of dates gone wrong because the guy drove around like he was in a Nascar race thinking he would impress her or whatever he was trying to do, and even if the date was going okay before, it did not end well. Then some of them passed around a hastag #safetyissexy.
@@johnwalker1058 yikes sounds right ! Not being a reckless and inconsiderate a-hole definitely helps. I wish the bar were higher but here we are haha
When I was younger I saw this film and thought Hal "turned" bad, watching it now it's clear he was never truly good to start. I definitely agree when you say it's a film for all ages.
I felt the same. The first time I watched it I felt like Hal was the perfect candidate! He was awkward and weird and alone and he was what would usually be the downtrodden hero right before he beefed up and now I realize he was the awful caricature of Nice Guy (tm) who pretends he's the main character in real life.
Same! I thought oh he's just an awkward dude but some people can't handle being given power, and I thought that's what the movie was showing. That some people let power get to their head and let it control them. But really it's showing how some people feel entitles just because they're "nice" or a "hero."
@@saturn446 I think it's a bit of both.
Might depend on your gender and experiences. As a woman Hal hit the red flags early. He was a threat long before Megamind gave him super powers.
To be fair hal did care for her and then he tried to be the hero with space dad, it was only after he got his heart broken that he snapped and couldn't still just be the hero.
this is such a thoughtful episode! and made me reflect. i've always known i'm "nice" as a defense mechanism (my trauma/conflict response is fawn), but until now i've never actually considered myself "good."
i've never felt like a good person because people have torn me down so many times, but i think beneath the fawn response _is_ goodness. after i get over the initial fear of meeting someone new, the protective niceness goes away and is replaced by genuine interest and care (not to toot my own horn). i was never given the chance to be good because when i expressed it, it was taken advantage of, particularly by people like hal who were ONLY superficially nice without anything real going on below.
"Oh your a villain alright. Just not a super one."
"Oh yeah. What's the difference?"
"Presentation."
I love this part because it shows that Megamind is just playing the part of villain because it's all he's ever know how to be & Hal is just doing it to get the fame, glory, & Roxanne
It's not actually all he knows how to be, as demonstrated when he plays the part of Metro Man. He knows perfectly well how to be good. It's simply that when he tried to be good as a child he got punished for not being as effortlessly good as Metro Man.
@@AndaraBledin he also was punished for being different physically. Megamind is blue. He cannot pass for Human so he's treated like an alien. Metroman can pass for Human if he doesn't use his powers, then he looks like any other person.
He was also raised in a prison after landing there. While this isn't played up too much this does mean that the other kids already had this mental image of him being bad because he was getting dropped off by a prison bus. He was then bullied by the other kids for his inventions not always working out & his physical appearance. Meanwhile Metro man was given wealthy parents & had powers he could easily control. Thus being seen as good. Megamind tried to do cool stuff like Metro man such the popcorn but when that failed he got punished. Time & time again it got reniforced into him that no matter what he did he would always be seen as bad. So he decided that if people were just going to see him as a bad guy there was no point in trying to be good
One of my favorite parts of the movie is how Megamind generally tries not to hurt citizens.
The citizens know this after being around him so long. The Warden doesn't fear death. He dehydrated lots of folks. He could have fired the death ray directly at the opening of the museum to FORCE Metroman to stop the laser before it hits innocent people.
Even after he wins, the citizens stick around to find out what's next, when after 1 day or less of Titan they are straight up abandoning the city.
This is such a great point!
He's pretty much became their local town celebrities along with metroman , all just for the show untill well u know "under new management" thingy
@@InsertUsernameHere_aand then when he wins no one leaves on mass becwuse… we’ll people just don’t know what to do, I feel. They know he isn’t really dangerous to the people so they aren’t in mortal danger. He generally is just annoying so he isn’t even a danger that much. I wonder if some even stayed specifically because they wanted to see the next part of the “performance”. The next chapter, what happens when the hero loses and the villain wins.
I love how Roxanne is just rolling her eyes and sarcastic to Megamind. I like to think that she doesn’t believe he’d ever actually hurt her, it feels like she’s just comfortable. Later in the movie shes trying to talk herself out and actually seems afraid with Titan. Now that could be seen as there’s a for sure hero coming with Megamind and no one with Titan, but I like to think she just knows she’s safe with Megamind
Yeah, I get the feeling that after a decade or so of being kidnapped by Megamind, she knows by now "Hurting people isn't Megamind's MO, I'm safe".
With all the times he's captured her she knows it's just a dance of pageantry, she's smart enough to see that the "weapons" are far enough away to not actually hurt her.
@@Starmadien2019 What about the Gatling gun?
@@ALJ9000 like he'd really let her come to harm. Even when he was using her as bait. He wasn't intent on killing, he didn't even want to kill Metroman.
i kinda feel like megamind and roxanne even had fun during the whole "kidnapping" situations
This video gave me a massive look into myself and my tendencies. I am 17 and I'm going through that transition of nice guy to (hopefully) good guy. My last relationship felt very transactional though neither of us saw it then, and I'm glad I've figured this whole nice vs. good thing out to a degree now as opposed to much later, and it's thanks to you that I now know what it's called and what comprises it to make it easier to acknowledge what a relationship is for future.
Ive always loved that at the end, Roxanne kisses him on the cheek. It’s a step below when they kissed at the restaurant.
It said to me that “this is the happy ending for the “”kids movie””” but they’re also building their relationship back up. They don’t just pick up where they left it.
Yeah, this is a show don’t tell thing of exactly what the blonde guy (first time watching this channel, don’t know the names) was saying. The attraction and relationship is still there, and she’s potentially even playing it up for the crowd as some famous people relationships do, but it’s a subtle sign that things clearly aren’t what they were while still having hope that they can move past it and get there one day.
I love that too, since it shows Roxanne's forgiveness, but it shows how forgiveness and trust are not the same thing, trust is built over time and when its broken it can be forgiven, but it doesn't mean that the trust is back.
And even though there’s clear, mutual attraction from their very first scene together, they’ve just as clearly never acted on it. There are boundaries there, which get shattered (first due to Metro Man’s “death”, then Meg’s deception), but with the hopeful note that they can be rebuilt, and stronger.
"I wanna be good, but people won't let me"
I felt that in my soul.
I felt my soul scream
"I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!!!"
Yeah I never meant to quote megamind but I've hade times when I really just didn't wanna be the bad guy anymore at the least wanna be left alone yknow
Same, I'm trying my best out here
My life was pretty much like that too. Wether it was to be a friend or whatever else... people ' did ' not ' even ' let ' me.
Until I grew tired of it all and suddenly stepped back of it. Back to where it all began. My undisputed comfort zone. I do not plan to ever leave it again and I doubt there exists anything in life that can make me.
Am I happy now?
Glad?
Fulfilled?
Absolute happyness?
I am... content.
It is not perfect.
But it does not have to be.
We all know this feeling.
Asking ourself _" WHAT IF I WOULD TRY JUST THIS ONCE... "_
But this are just this dumb noises of our primitive brains I guess.
Or old dreams and hopes or behaviours, knocking on our doors even long after we threw them out.
Is it the perfect lifestyle?
I dunno. But I always see people trying to shape & control me.
They do not want *ME.*
They want my _"services"._
It is tiring really.
So content to live my life with relative loneliness but also this god damn, sexy peace of mind that I would not trade for anything else in the world.
People arent good by default.
Gotta fight to make any goodness happen and fight to prevent its corruption
Whoever was on the Megamind team and wrote and planned out Hal 100% met and dealt extensively with a niceguy irl. They knew what they were doing.
It’s only missing the fedora, 10/10
They almost definitely were the nice guy themselves. It happens. We live and learn
Nice guy/girl phase is something most people go through.
@@happyjellycatsquid Exactly. Some of the incels and an army of neckbeards, niceguys (and granted a handful of nice girls) completely hijacked a previously cool and classy style of headwear and just nuked it to Hael. Hopefully the hat can shake that shameful association soon.
@@weatheredseeker Perhaps, but I believe they were drawing from their own experiences with actual nice guys in the wild.
1:30 TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THAT WE WERE BETTER OFF WITH JUST ONE MEGAMIND MOVIE
AGREED.
AGREED.
😢
PRS (Pacific Rim Syndrome)
It's brilliant how until Hal becomes Titan, the audience only sees him as a comic relief character. The whole Nice guy syndrome isn't directly addressed and it's very subtle and that's how it's like in real life. It's hard to detect nice guy syndrome especially in yourself. When he becomes the villain it's obvious and rewatching you pick up on all the little things. But his twist villain is amazingly written
Whole Megamind (sorry, Meg Amind) is amazing piece.
And yes, PRESENTATION! that is the difference between boring average and super.
Disney should take inspiration
*Tighten
Unless you are a nice guy then you see all the signs this guy is giving off from the get go
@@bombomos I think they’re saying it’s more that you can tell he is a “nice guy” but it isn’t enough to call out or address until it’s become a huge thing.
You can sort of make fun of or pity him because it’s pathetic but then he becomes absolutely horrible and at that point “WOAH he’s a villian!”
I really like how you guys were honest about acting like hal when you were younger and I think it's important not to make people like this feel isolated. If we do that then they'll never want to change they'll just dig deeper into the delusion because "nobody understands"
I agree. I think even "nice guys" and self-styled incels deserve empathy at the very least, because at the core of their problems, they're hurting and feel alone. They need to be able to find their self-worth beyond chasing a relationship, because you have to love yourself before others can love you.
Completely agree, but I do want to remind people that it's not your job to fix people, so never get in a relationship just because you think you might help them. Didn't think you were encouraging that behavior, by the way, just saying.
I totally agree! Just because you changed your mind from how you thought in the past, doesn’t mean you can’t speak out on it later. People change, people grow. This isn’t something to hide and feel shame towards. Its something that needs to be talked about. Then less well meaning men will go through this life experience.
@@herpderp3916 my issue is that they will physically harm me if I reject them or worse :) so empathy is not really an option that can be given at all times. Especially not if you're the person they're currently infatuated with.
No, they will feed on the delusion no matter if you show simpathy towards them. The don't deserve any emphaty .
The men that changed their behaviour was because they decides to do so. To do introspection and Made eforts to be better.
What you are suggesting is the equivalent of saying a wife-beater will change if she continues giving love to him.
Something I noticed in high school when it came to "nice guys" was they'd overact to couples having a simple argument or disagreement, then jump to the conclusion that the girl was being abused. Like, my friend and her then boyfriend were having a small argument, and some guy who had a crush on her jumped in and felt the need to "protect" her. He started yelling at her boyfriend and telling her to leave him because he "wasn't any good for her". They ended up breaking up about a year later, but he never abused her. Their split was amicable. They just wanted different things in life. But "nice guys" will pounce on the tiniest thing and use it to their advantage, as if they would never have disagreements with their partner.
One time in college, there was this guy I knew and we had become acquaintances based on a game we both really liked. He asked me from the get go “Do you have a boyfriend?” and I said yes, naively thinking he just wanted to be my friend. Every conversation after that he would always ask if he and I were still together to the point where it was the immediate thing he would say, even during brief interactions.
I stopped talking to him, but he would still somehow manage to find me during my breaks and try to strike up a conversation. He would also conveniently be in the same area my boyfriend and I would hang out during our breaks and I would always feel his stares and would catch him staring *intensely* at us.
One day I was having a pretty bad panic attack (not related to my boyfriend whatsoever) in the cafeteria area. I was crying my eyes out and lo and behold, he popped out of nowhere. He started rubbing my back and giving me tissues and immediately said “Who did this to you? Did your boyfriend hurt you?!” as if he had already formulated a story without even asking me what happened. He then proceeded to talk about how he’s there for me and how he would never hurt me Blah Blah Blah. I couldn’t even talk because 1.) I was in the middle of my panic attack and I usually can’t speak through choked tears. 2.) We were not close AT ALL and him touching me made me incredibly uncomfortable. 3.) There were onlookers and I didn’t want to scream at this guy to leave me alone because I was so embarrassed and uncomfortable as it were. 4.) I was confused as all hell as to why this fool even thought this was about my boyfriend. The whole thing just blindsided me and I never wanted to punch someone so hard tbqh.
@@Elaaaame wow, that is super creepy. I hope that you don't have to see this "nice guy' anymore
@@Elaaaame did you tell him to leave you alone?
@@potapotapotapotapotapota ...yeah, once my panic attack subsided and I was actually able to talk. I told him I just wanted to be alone and he still stuck around until I got up.
That sounds more like white knighting then just nice