Brickyard E170 | LOSS OF ALL INSTRUMENTS ONBOARD | Emergency return to Milwaukee
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2022
- 04/NOV/2022
Brickyard E170 performing flight from Milwaukee to Boston was climbing when the pilots requested to return immediately reporting they had just lost all instruments onboard.
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Quite impressed by that first controller with departure. When the pilots said they needed an immediate return to the field (it was clearly not a request 😏), that controller didn't ask questions, just started guiding them back, moving other planes out of their way, and keeping them safe. That controller clearly had her priorities right; nature of emergency, fuel, and souls can wait when the pilots are overloaded just trying to aviate and navigate.
Yep great ATC! They didn't even ask them if they had the current ATIS :D
ATC: I must focus on priorities now
Southwest 2223: 🥲
Giving the state of emergency would have been three words, one more than saying "stand by". But still good job from the ATC on nor pressing them to do so
@@jeanmarco40 if they had assessed the situation at that point, sure. But when you have no instruments, how do you know that your only problem, or even your biggest problem, is that you have no instruments?
Yep. Never even used the word "emergency". Given the way emergencies are typically declared, this was actually a bit more severe than your casual emergency, such as having a single engine out. This is almost a "we are a glider" level emergency. There maybe ought to be a higher-tier word for those types of things, the "get everyone out of our way, and please don't talk to us, because we're going to be fully consumed doing the whole "aviate, navigate".
I’m a private pilot and fly in/around the KMKE airspace frequently. The controllers are top notch, friendly, and very accommodating. Their professionalism in this video didn’t surprise me.
I fly from the ORD area to northern Wisconsin through that area on a lot of my cross countries, have also had nothing but great experiences dealing with the MKE controllers!
atc using "immediately" hits different. glad it worked out!
I absolutely LOVE when the actual aircraft in the emergency is shown landing afterwards. :D
Was working line that day at MKE, weather was no help for the pilots (early dawn and low ceilings). Saw the fire department checking out the gear from across the field after they landed. Glad they made it back safely.
Thanks for sharing
All respects to that first ATCO, great immediately response and decision making 👏🏻
Kudos to first ATC ... absolutely great job without any misgivings at all.
They did this in IMC with standby instruments? Wild, great job!
That's what standby instruments are for. But yes, it's still an unusual situation.
Love my Milwaukee controllers! Let the pilots fly and eventually get in a “when able, I need info” this particular approach controller has worked me a bunch. She, and all MKE approach, have always been polite and professional when I talk to them
This means that both PFDs and both MFD’s had failed. But even then the E175 will have had a standby horizon, ASI and altimeter available. It’s small but usable. This means that driving one of these things is not too difficult with the power settings from the “Unreliable Airspeed” table. The difficult bit is to take your time. The controllers here were marvellous. Hats off to them.
Total instrument loss is very concerning. The aircraft in the case of total loss of AC will go into electrical emergency config, running on batteries only (10 mins!) which gives screens 2&3 of the five only. There is also automatic deployment of the RAT, which should recover the aircraft. Further starting of the APU should restore pretty much everything. To have no instruments is very odd and I’m not sure which failure might have caused that.
Worked for about five years as a technical instructor on the 175/195 so really interested in this.
No need for your input, we have dozens of keyboard warriors who know it all.
Yeah, seems very strange. I’m curious as well. Maybe “total” failure wasn’t an accurate term
@@NihongoGuy Love it. They all want their ego stroked a little don't they.
😂
I think what happened is Mossad tried to sabotage it
Nighttime VFR landing? Wow, one busy cockpit.
Great ATC for sure! You can tell the pilots are shaken.
Who I think was the FO (female) was shaken. Captain (male) chimed in at points and he seems to have it in control at all points.
@@BChandl13 they both sound shook to me
@@BChandl13 neither of them sounded shaken. I perhaps got a sense of seriousness from the lady, but not a sense of fear. They both sounded perfectly calm.
Passengers were probably told that they were returning because of a technical issue, which sounds benign. Good thing they weren't listening in on this radio exchange. Losing all instruments sounds serious! (And it was.)
Id know because I'd have the airband radio on.
@@AndrewAbraham83 not during take off most certainly
At first I thought they literally lost a bunch of instruments out the back, like they were one of those emissions monitoring flights and they got a hole in the fuselage.
Professionals at work as usual. Glad everyone is safe!
Republic has some of the best crews out there and they handled this incredibly. Def don’t miss those 121 days in my career
Holy crap. I've flown this plane. It used to be N639CZ for Compass Airlines. I'm curious what all they lost. Likely down to the backup only of they said they lost all because that thing is battery powered. But either way, can't imagine that was fun. Great job.
Just power it down for 10 minutes and fire it back up it should reset itself. IYKYK
@airshuttle6162 No way maintenance control is gonna let a reset fly on a return to field and especially an emergency.
Dude wtf did compass do with these planes?? They are junk. So much shit wrong with them. Lol
Losing the pito-static system will mess with a fair number of critical instruments, and can be something you don’t notice until you’re airborne, but I’m hard pressed to think of what you would need to do to lose ‘everything’ while keeping the radio.
Good thing that planes presumably have standby instruments for that occasion. Takes a good gremlin to overcome redundancy in those sorts of planes.
It's happened before, all 3 pitot tubes with covers on them. Human nature > gremlins.
@@DISOPtv do you know what a pitot tube is?
@@swaggyqwikscop0r694 those things that lead to aborted takeoffs and returns when the covers aren't removed before pushback.
@@swaggyqwikscop0r694 yeah I put mine in your mom last night
@Rich Wightman No, he isn't mistaken. Happens often enough, both private and commercial. You might want to check reports before letting your overinflated ego type.
Oh man, if the weather was bad this could of been sketchy.
Weather was terrible in wisconsin yesterday
Looks like the METAR for KMKE around the time they landed showed overcast (OVC) skies with lowering deck (BKN046 OVC065) and 10 kt southerly wind. They were out over the lake at approx. 2500 to make the approach to 19R, so that must have been a struggle and disorienting to stay under the clouds.
@@jeffreybryner1196 Hence the MVA reminders!
Thanks victor! Great job as always
Glad you liked it!
The girls were truckin’ rocking it.
Good thing it was VFR ✔✔
Love those controllers at all points of contact.
Know I'm late to the party here, but I have to say WOW what excellent work by that first controller. Too many controllers, upon hearing that nonstandard but completely clear distress call from the pilot, would have wasted valuable time with pointless bureaucratic transmissions like "duhhhh Brickyard are you declaring an emergency duhhhhh"
Or they would have wasted time getting bent out of shape when Brickyard turned right instead of left instead of quickly confirming their intentions and then turning other aircraft as needed.
Or persistently demanding fuel and souls on board.
Or wanting to know if Brickyard could maintain their own terrain and obstacle clearance. And so on, and so on.
I wonder if the controller is a pilot herself. Or maybe she is just that empathetic and calm.
And of course great work by the pilots, both the ones flying the instrument-less aircraft and all the others on the frequency who quickly responded when needed. That includes the Southwest pilot who waited for an appropriate break in the action to politely ask if he could change frequencies.
My sense is that the IESS was operative. If not, then it was 100% loss of instruments, flying visually. Amazing...
I imagine it was still working. But how many times have you actually looked at that thing much less relied on it except to cross check on the descent checklist?
awesome visuals! amazing with the atc map + actual map wow
Thanks
Everyone was on his/her A Game fm the start. Super impressive.
Intrested to know what would take out all instruments. My understanding was they were independent left and right. Good work for all involved in getting everyone on the ground safely
Thanks for the like VASAviation. Genuinely love your work
Josh - the only thing that i can think of that would take out the ENTIRE set of instruments, both left and right would be a total Electrical bus failure. which in its own design is RARE.
but how the radios were still operating on that is beyond me, because they are on the same electrical buses. the lights as well on the 3rd party video.
A second total failure - and this is just guessing, since i have no time on the E170 is multiple MAU Failures.
I did some quick research, apparently there are 3 MAU's, 1 in the forward E-Bay, 1 in the Center E-Bay and 1 in the rear E-Bay. now, i cant find which MAU controls what except for MAU 2 and MAU1 controls most of the FMS, IRU and other cockpit systems and flight recorders. i couldn't find what is tied to MAU 3 .
Flying one of those by the seat of your pants must be interesting!
Had to be a glass cockpit systems failure.
Could (in theory) be just one breaker, but if they push it in and it pops again, they're stuck with no display.
Hopefully a few "steam gauges" for some basic info like airspeed and compass in case of the glass panel failing.... But I have no information on what that panel looks like.
I'm guessing someone didn't take the pitot covers off.
So freaking encouraging to hear all those capable female voices in aviation.
You do know that you'll never reach full equality when you keep pointing out females exhibiting normal male behavior, right?
@@Brambazai You read it wrong. The statement was about representation.
Who cares? If not hearing any women on frequency is discouraging a woman from aviation, she's probably not a good fit for a pilot career anyway.
It's so interesting watching these emergency videos, especially in quick and dire situations, how literally everyone speaks faster if they're not involved in the emergency. Well, I suppose they are since they're in the same airspace but those moving out of the way for the emergency plane, replied so quickly to the tower after given instructions. Very impressive and smooth!
This was literally yesterday. Damn. Lol.
They were given clearance to enter left traffic for 19R but made a right turn and entered right traffic for 19R, I think that's what led to the near conflict with SKW3261.
Fighting an uncooperative aircraft was likely.
Not even time to set the transponder to 7700, just keeping the thing in the air.
Looks like it
Well, I don't think they were concerned in the least with traffic patterns or clearances. ATC clearances for crippled/blind (and clearly MAYDAY) aircraft are 100% moot -- the number one priority is to fly and maintain control (aviate), if still able.
ATC's role for that aircraft shifts from vectoring & spacing, to allowing the pilot to fly at their discretion, keeping the aircraft clear of terrain if possible, and moving all other traffic out of their way.
With total loss of instrumentation, they are no longer able navigate according to instrument procedures -- which includes all instrument approaches, including ILS. Additionally, they lost their automation (no Autopliot to control heading, altitude or turns).
In other words, they were flying and navigating 100% by hand, using only their standby instruments to reference their attitude, airspeed and altitude. Navigation was done with visual ground references, their magnetic compass, and general ATC guidance.
Very happy they were able to return without further incident.
Given that this happened early in the morning, with possibly no instruments available, there was probably a strong desire to stay over land where city lights and landmarks were able to provide a reasonable frame of visual reference, as opposed to being over the (dark) lake. The lake was also probably responsible for the broken lower cloud deck.
04 06:52 S 10 10.00 Overcast BKN046 OVC065 65 52 67 64 63% NA NA 29.84 1010.4
@@hack1n8r that's a good question. Why didn't they declare mayday? It was certainly appropriate
Always great videos VASA, thank you so much. 60107 USA says hi, absolutely horrible winds today at ORD.
Be safe
@@VASAviation Absolutely sir.
601? Damn what is that like a 1995 hire?
Honour & respect to that first ATC & to the Captain & crew of that aircraft!!!
GREAT editing on this video! !! !!!
All amazing people !!
Remarkable and astonishing. You could here the tension in the pilots voice but they kept it all together and flew the plane and got it down safely. They said they lost all instruments. Where there no backups? Did that include altimeter and speed and if so was the tower providing that for a safe landing?
Listening to VAS should be a requirement for pilots Like reading After math articles in Flying magazine. Lots of good information.
Thank you
And controllers. And passengers. We all could learn from these.
@@sagetx my wife said I’m ghoulish to go straight to the aftermath section of flying magazine. I read it to hopefully avoid the same fait as the victims and learn from their mistakes and hopefully avoid them.
Great pilots and great communication, excellent job!
That first ATC is a goddess!
Flying blind! that's impressive
That is a great video, I really like it. Good job putting it all together, I really enjoyed watching it. Did you also film the video of an actual plane landing?
I doubt he filmed it himself but this was probably the emergency aircraft filmed by someone else.
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Thats SPOOKY !
Wow! Good training on display from everybody. The departure controller didn't hesitate, had 2 planes behind this one and accommodated all within 20 seconds to get this flight returned. No questions asked. "Need to return to the field immediately" got her super focused. Wish MAYDAY was used instead of "emergency"..
Sorry she didn’t comply with your wishes…
@@VladimirNicolici I do! :) But to be fair, they come here looking for non-declared emergencies and incorrect phraseology, so it seems reasonable enough to give them some pushback...
@@MikeGranby 🎤🎤
I’ve been on this scheduled flight a couple of times lol
Good job pilots and controllers!
phenomenal atc and pilot comms on this one. pro women doing their thing.
Did they loose all instruments? Great job then finding back to the airport. And as we can see from the video it was already getting dark, but fortunately the visibility was still ok.
Not getting dark, but getting bright. Early in the morning.
@@VASAviation Ah o I missed that.
Be interesting to hear Blancolirio on this. (And then the NTSB report).
That flight path👌🏽 absolutely amazing job by this crew
I flew in that plane yesterday.. 😅
So it was your fault! :D
En la Era del glass cockpit se agradece algún analógico de velocidad,altitud y actitud ante una falla general de DC bus
Old Compass warbird. Those things were rode hard before Republic got them.
ASA952 HNL-SEA emergency return to HNL about an hour after takeoff for unknown reason. Early morning (around midnight or 12:30am) on 11/5/22. Reported multiple injuries to flight crew and rapid descent. Could you look into this?
Will look into it
@@VASAviation sorry, was OGG to SEA, but diverted to HNL. Took off on 11/4, but still ASA952
I was wondering about this too!
I hope the 70-69 passengers was a brain fart, rather than we lost one? 😃 It does highlight why effective communication with ATC is so important otherwise he will give instructions assuming you have full instruments. Very professional crew, reverting to backup steam gauges presumably; and good on the controller emphasizing the MVA, since normally they’d have all that in the aircraft’s systems as well as clearing a wide area around them given presumably their ADS-B/T AS wasn’t up? Luckily it seems like a very clear day, which at this time of year is not something you could count on at Milwaukee, and the same episode in full Midwest IMC would be much uglier.
I often practice complete instrument failure in the flight sim but not by choice because msfs2020 is buggy and often I have no instruments 🙄
Interesting, ive never had such bug. What vehicle were you using?
@@kopazwashere it happens with all planes it seems. But happens the most with the A320neo. I’m on Xbox so when I load into the game using quick play/reload it will cause all instruments to stay off. So basically I have to hard shut the game and reload it every time I want to fly. It’s not that big of a deal it’s just annoying having to do that slow load in every time I want to play.
Not only that, but in MSFS, you can just get up, and go get another cold one🤗!
Glad you made it back each time!
i appreciate ur work and all but how do u STILL have so many errors in the captions?
3:00 Well it better be up to their discretion because they can't exactly follow you otherwise lol
That's the first time I've heard a pilot request an airfield rather than a runway.
Sometimes after an emergency has been declared, and the pilot states their plan, ATC will say "you have the airport" or the "airport is yours", which means any runway, any taxiway can be used at the discretion of the pilot-in-command. In this case the pilot requested the airfield. Either way jt means the flight crew can focus fully on getting the bird on the ground. For its part ATC will advise all other a/c - in essence saying the airport is closed except for the emergency a/c - and will ensure no a/c violates the closure. In a situation such as Brickyard faced, with all instruments out, conceivably an a/c might not make the runway it was setting up for and would need to come in on another runway or even a taxiway.
Translation - get everyone out of our way - we don't know our altitude and will be guessing on airspeed on approach which could lead to us going off the end of the runway.
@@loudidier3891 True that. The other scenario might be if, for some reason, they were not able to stabilize their approach and had to do a go-around. Being the only a/c in the circuit would make setting up for another approach without instruments much easier.
@@dalydegagne1839 Oh, FFS I'm not an idiot. I'm simply saying that's the first time I've heard a pilot request that amongst all of the ATC videos I've watched.
@@russell2952 I didn't mean to imply you were an idiot. Many people are not aware of the meaning, and they are not idiots. So I explained. I agree with you that it seems from the videos on RUclips that it is usually ATC saying "the airport is yours" rather than the pilot asking for it.
Is there a channel that has real audio like this video, but also has a narrator, like Mentour. Mentour is great, but I wish he had real audio and map.
Doubt it was pitot covers. If so, it would have been caught at "airspeed alive" or "80 knots, crosscheck". These crews don't miss those calls. Very interesting though.
Pitot covers? On an E170? Wut lol.
@@Micg51 Do they not have them? my mistake. Enjoy your regional pay... Wut? lol!
@@keywestguy7655 They have them.
@Rich Wightman You still here after everyone proved you wrong and roasted you? Wow, your commitment to being stupid is impressive.
@Rich Wightman Yeah, those who can look at a picture and still say something obviously pictured is not in the picture, how can you argue with that? Good luck in life man, don't forget to breathe.
Was Brickyard Bricking it?
We have NICE passengers
lol i’m glad i’m not the only one who thought that
All instruments? What does "all" cover, in pilot speak? I mean, did they lose altimeters? Artificial horizon? Fuel gauges? Compass?
is there a reason why the atc always asks for souls on board and endurance when they can get it from the filed flightplan.and in this case they had just taken off and am sure they had given all that info before requesting start. doesnt make sense in a high workload situation the crew having to repeat all that info again.
Loss of all instruments? Does anyone know if this plane has backup or stdby instruments also? Thanks
American pilots never gonna say MAYDAY 😢
Do they lost their standby instruments too?
worth pointing out that they did all that in the soup too
I will never understand, why they do not use the term „mayday“ in a real emergency like this.
It’s almost as if US pilots/ATC are allergic to the term.
2:08 Slight error, ATC said "Iron 8573, turn 20 degrees right" not "10 degrees"
I just heard professionals at work.
Isn’t the the second one in like the last month
this controller is a fucking g
Ah, yes, the Every Mechanical Breakdown Requires An Electrical Reboot-170.
How do you lose all instrumentation in a jet?
😎
@@MillonDollarRound ?
I'd speculate it's one of two things. A, a major power system gave out, or B, the probes providing air data got stuck.
There's a lot of redundancy so I would be shocked if they lost everything, including the standby instruments. Looking forward to the Aviation Herald's article.
Cooler than the other side of the pillow. That’s how you do it.
Professional pilots. 👏 👏 👏
I;ve noticed that when the tower says a digit number, the pilot repeats the number but without the “1”, I.e., 123.47 becomes 23.47. I wonder why that is.
I think it’s because the first digit never changes. AFAIK, ATC radio frequencies are all in the low 1xx range
All the radio frequencies are in that band, so the 1 is redundant. Similar in some ways to the leading K in an airport identifier. Say it or don't say it, everyone knows it is there.
Brickyard got bricked
It's always an Embraer #reboot
Pilot sort of forget to declare an emergency there?
They are lucky they weren't in clouds
Why didn't the pilots say mayday?
We have good pilots… so many broken planes… and out pilots get them back safely
We're just assuming that this is an emergency given the context.
how do you land without instruments?
Using the yoke
Seriously how can all instruments fail wtf...
Guessing it’s daylight VMC..
6:26 AM. Dawn. Looks overcast in the video, but clear enough down low.
@@hamletksquid2702 would have been a different story otherwise.
Time in top left hand corner. UTC I think
Any reason they didn’t call MAYDAY? I’ve seen plenty of examples on this channel where pilots don’t want to declare one too early. But you could clearly hear the urgency in the first radio call. Of course, ATC understood and it worked out. I’m just wondering why, in this case, it wasn’t called.
There is also something called Silent Emergency. When some parameters are fulfilled, ATC will handle them like an Emergency even if they didn't call MAYDAY.
“We need immediate return to the field” means “Mayday Mayday Mayday, request an immediate return to the field” without wasting as much time
As has been covered a million times, chanting MAYDAY three times isn’t necessary if you’re already talking to ATC. If you’re calling in the blind, go for it, but otherwise, a request for an immediate return or a mention of the words “declare” or “emergency” will get you all the handling you need. And as to declaring early, that’s not an issue at all. It’s simply a difference in what is customary.
If I heard correctly the flight crew made no pan pan or mayday call, although they asked for the airport. ATC essentially declared the emergency which was evident when she advised other a/c that there was an "emergency" coming in.
@@MikeGranby Wouldn't you agree that what is "customary" is highly region specific? There have been numerous videos on this channel where international flights have had issues due to slang / assumptions that ATC can figure it out. Standard language / phraseology is one of the best achievements aviation has made.
Classic good example that I love is the British Airway pilot who interrupted at JKF, got a response from ground control, then called MAYDAY for a fire under another plane's engine at the gate.
"Brickyard 678" at 3:58 , is that a standard phrase for emergencies?
Apparently said his callsign wrong.
No, Brickyard is the company's callsign & the number is supposed to be the last three of the aircraft's tail number. However, because pilots are frequently flying different planes, sometimes they mix up the tail number. In this case, it's just Brickyard 5614 using the wrong identifier.
Commercial flights are callsign for the company and flight number (not the N number of the aircraft) - for example, United 1234 is United Airlines flight number 1234. GA (general aviation) uses the aircraft type and N number (once communication is established it can be shortened to the last 3-4 characters of the N number) - for example, Cessna N1234A (or shortened after comms established to Cessna 34A).
3:28 what's mva?
Minimum Vectoring Altitude
Is it just me or Brickyard E170 didn't actualy declare an emergency?
Interesting they didn't do an altitude check from atc. They were definitely barn storming.. stick and throttle.
At least they have the manual artificial horizon for just such an event.
I’ve never been so early!
your wife begs to differ
Difficult to lose the standby instruments.
But not impossible.
@@VASAviation - yes, impossible because they’re usually old fashioned steam driven systems or run from entirely separate backup systems fully independent from the main avionics.
Anything made by humans, is destined to break eventually my friend. Especially in an aircraft that is used all day everyday
But not impossible. Don't you have your orifices or probes blocked.
@@tomb9026 - things in aeroplanes are designed specifically not to break. It’s like as if the industry understands safety.
Why thumbnail delta?
It was a delta branded flight operated by republic.
How could the pilot tell fuel reading after all instrument on board were lost?
Fuel reading isn’t an instrument. Instruments means losing heading, altitude, airspeed, etc.