Can I Make WWE Moves Work against MMA?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2023
- I Tried these WWE moves in Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu! But can I make them work in Martial Arts sparring??
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Is pro wrestling scripted? Yes. It's also painful, difficult, virtually unpaid, and requires a crazy amount of dedication and training to do well. You can't fake gravity.
It’s what kata’s are to karate.
@@DaTimmehI guess it’s more like a bunkatsu than a kata but I might be wrong
@@hoshitetashimura That's fair, probably a better comparison.
This is something you realize at a higher level if you’ve actually participated in or competed in BJJ and/or wrestling. I don’t think the average viewer can grasp it.
It's also awesome, which is one of It's most defining adjectives.
People tend to forget that there is a stark difference between "fake" and "rigged". Wrestling tends to fall into the latter category.
As they like to say, "Its fixed, not fake."
I actually had a chance to get into a wrestling ring with few local wrestlers. Allow me to tell you that being snap suplexed HURTS. Allow me to tell you that belly to back suplex HURTS, allow me to tell you that german suplex is NOT fun (being dumped on the back of your neck), allow me to tell you that Falcon arrow HURTS. We didn't do any head drop moves (piledriver, DDT), because I never was trained to take them. But slams, suplexes, yes, they do hurt. I absolutely guarantee you that if you nail someone on the street with belly to back suplex (I seen it done on some videos), you are NOT going anywhere after getting dumped on the concrete .
Yup, I've seen those videos and know exactly what you're talking about. A big dude was in a 1 vs 3 and he bodyslammed his opponents on concrete and that was that@@lordpardus7348
"Scripted" is probably the best term.
The people in the ring know how everything *is supposed* to go and everyone involved are fine with it. It doesn't always happen (either one) but it doesn't change that it supposed to go a certain way for the audience. This also encompasses all different styles from shoot style all the way to sports-entertainment and everything in-between.
"Rigged" really only applies to past Pro-wrestling, Today "Scripted" is a more accurate term since the audience is in on it.
11:30 I really appreciate guy in the black gi sliding in like a ref
That was awesome! And so fast.
One
Two
Three!!!
It’s great that once they all caught on to it, they all played along
ACL tears, broken bones, shattered teeth, Neck injuries, sprain injuries...
this is nearly everything a singular wrestler has to deal with a few times in the ring.
Never heard of most pro fights going that far. Mick Foley has been through it ten fold. I've never seen pro wrestling as a fake sport. It's a real sport...with a storyline.
Mainly known that the matches are already predetermined
Problem is , that most people don’t even know definition sport lol. There’s a reason even chess is called a sport. Lol just because it’s the outcome is predetermined (for storyline purposes) doesn’t negate that fact. That’s why i always made the distinction between “fake” and “predetermined”
Yes concussions, CTE, etc.
It's like a play.
@@kandelljordan1018The very nature of prof. wrestling negates any competetivity per se - no objective measures to identify winner, no judges to rate the performance.
Chess is competetive and requires skill to win.
Wrestling is like theatre with predetermined results, that requires training and conditioning to perform.
So, answer depends on how wide or narrow you identify sport.
That powerbomb rampage did back in pride sure looked like an effective way out of a triangle choke
His jaw was broken in that fight and he says he was losing. According to him it was pure emotion and a hulk smash moment which lead to him trying that.
@@nunninkav yea ive seen some interviews where he talked about that moment. Adrenaline and rage is a helluva thing
sure but only if you get put in triangle like that. aint nobody gonna LET YOU just kick their gut, bend over, let thei head shoved into your crotch then allow you to lift and flip them up then do a SIT-UP to sit on your shoulders and get slammed like batista or undertaker lol. ironicallt the most boring WWE moves are the most effective, Rey's low kicks, d bryans body and head kicks, punches, rear naked chokes, headlock/guillotines, etc.
Their heads collided during the impact of the slam, so it was like a super headbutt. That's really what knocked out Arona.
He even did the sideways look to the monitor that wwe always does 😂😂💀
lol good eye
If you want the slightly more in depth history of pro wrestling diverging from other styles of wrestling. It starts with Catch wrestling which originates with english sailors who would wrestle in their free time with no holds barred, so all submissions are legal (including neck cranks). When Catch wrestling came to the US it often involved having audience members try going against a wrestler as well as wrestlers with eachother. This lead to it being popular in the states amongst 2 crowds: 1 that liked the showmanship (developing into modern pro wrestling) and the other that liked grappling but thought the submissions and stuff are unnecessary danger and pain (developing into folk style wrestling).
What a shame that submission wrestling died out in the west until bjj started reintroducing it!
These are some of the BEST Catch Wrestlers to Research: Billy Riley, Billy Robinson, Karl Gotch, Tiger Mask (1), Lou Thesz, Billy Wick, Les Kellet, Kiyoshi Tamura, Johnny Saint.
@@lucaswalker6498 BJJ also took MMA back by nearly a decade. Look at SHOOTO mma fights back in 1990 and then look at the UFC and see how MMA in the West took longer to be on a similar level to the far East (Catch Wrestling based mma) years before.
@@lucaswalker6498 Catch Wrestling is way better and it's more technical
@@sillyface8501 The Submissions in shooto were high level
My two favorite things coming together. Martial Arts and Pro Wrestling
same
Shinsuke Nakamura had a few video packages lately with him training MMA and Karate and I'm pretty sure I saw him use Hayabusa gloves.
He did after all, come from an Amateur Wrestling background, and even fought in MMA back in Japan. Just check his Sherdog page!
His record is 3-1 in mma
Shinsuke Nakamura studied and trained in Shito Ryu Karate and BJJ.
Dude, this is awesome! I stopped watching pro wrestling when I was a teenager, but I've always respected the athleticism, toughness, and dexterity it takes to execute the moves they do. I really enjoyed the first video, and it's fair to say this one is even more interesting and entertaining.
There’s no reason you should have stopped watching pro wrestling and you should watch again the products been hotter than ever just open up your mind
As somebody who has been away from WWE for over 10 years, I came back 6 months ago cause I kept seeing clips about this guy LA Knight.
Overall the product is much better than the times I would tune in or clips I'd see through the last 10 years or so
It's starting to become mainstream again
I appreciate that you did the 'watching the TV at an odd angle' bit before cutting that promo.
There're examples of tough pro-wrestlers that have some mixed martial arts background. Current examples being Shinsuke Nakamura and Matt Riddle, past examples being Kenn Shamrock and Antonio Inoki.
But there're some wrestlers who're "hard-hitters", essentially treating the match like a really fight. Like Walter/Gunther and Sheamus in the WWE.
& Brock Lesnar also
@@josequinonez8900bobby lashley
kinda forgot the biggest one Rhonda Rousey
@@lazerfruit2121 I forgot a shit ton haha 😄
There's also the fact that MMA in Japan was born out of a desire to turn Pro Wrestling into a more "Realistic" ordeal, thanks to Inoki's efforts.
It gave birth to the movement known as Shoot Style Wrestling. Think of ROH Pure Rules and a lot more martial arts thrown in!
Popularity of pro wrestling is one of the reasons schools started having wrestling teams.
Also, fun story, when I was in Boy Scouts in 6th grade one of the trips was to a place with a bunk room. Very large, like 40 bunks.
We laid out 2 layers of mattresses and had a battle royale. Being under 5ft and like 80 lbs, I was just running around drop kicking everyone. My age, high schoolers, didnt matter.
The room was on the 2nd floor, apparently we broke some ceiling lights on the 1st.
I think that Boy Scout Battle Royale's are pretty much universal. Around that age, we also fought on the school bus. It was a short run from our elementary school to the highschool, so there were like 10 of us on a full size bus every day for 5-10 minutes. There was no space, obviously. But you could do things like choke slams or spinebusters onto the seats.
sounds like a cool story but is there really a source on that? wrestling teams in school have been around way before pro wrasslin blew up to mainstream in 80s. is there a source for this claim that Pro wrasslin was one of the reasons, or did u make it up? no offense.
@@streetplaya23 pro wrestling was big in the black and white film days as well. Not much to watch back then and it was one of the options.
Don't forget The Rock is a a 3rd Gen wrestler, meaning it goes back into the 60s.
My dad was in middles school in the 60s and met Randy Savages dad, who also wrestled.
@@soldierx345 now you are just trying to rationalize pro wrestling being "big" pre-hogan era. thats fine. but i was asking : what is your source on the huge claim that its was a reason in school districts making wrestling teams part of schools in usa?
@@streetplaya23 I was just saying it was an influence in it. Not saying it was more popular than after the 80s, but it was, in fact, popular.
Kinda similar to how Bruce Lee influenced the introduction of more martial arts into the US.
Can confirm the Camel Clutch hurts like a mother
Absolutely. And the figure four, we could never figure out. It'd end up hurting the guy doing the hold more lol.
Pro Wrestling actually inherits a lot from real wrestling like the grappling aspects, fireman's carries, body slams, submissions, etc. And what's crazy is that someone in the MMA of all places won a fight in the first round via submission using the Boston Crab.
Watching Sensei Seth pick up grown men like they're children 😳
But for real, this was so much fun and it's great to watch you try different stuff. Good times ✌️
Does a martial arts mermaid only do boxing? Or are there tail attacks?
@@TheEndKing Oh there's FOR SURE tail attacks too. The Shin-Splitting Side Swipe, the Face-Smashing Fluke Slap, and the Hip Fin Headlock. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i respect that seth always respects what he learns, he respects both the teachers and what the teacher is teaching, he also gives it his all (he doesnt halfass anything), and he also respcets the roots, this is some of the best content out there when it comes to unique martial arts, also love how he uses it in sparring, it cracks me up sometimes, thank you seth.
steve austin said it best. The result may be pre-determined, but that doesn't make Andre the Giant any lighter and it doesn't make the floor any softer. These guys are incredible athletes.
Kicks and punches can be faked, but falling from five meters is fall from five meters. Can't be faked in front of live audience.
With the dropkick in particular I think sparring is the worst environment to try it because people who are sparring light (i.e. correctly) aren't going to be charging in, and the dropkick feels best when the person you're trying to hit is committed to their own forward movement.
the people who say wrestling is fake, Mark Calaway ( the Undertaker) was set on fire by payoh fireworks, he wrestled with 3rd degree burns and was still on fire
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Instead of Pro Wrestling, you should train with some old Catch Wrestlers and learn some nearly forgotten techniques. Wrestlers like Jonny Saint, Tiger Mask (Sayama) and so on. Thanks for the Content btw
So are you going to do a third one. I suggest you try wrestlers do to you all the moves from the post What's the most PAINFUL move? Tahana Bomb, Kirifuda Clutch, Browns Power Bomb, Great Kali Punjabi Klutch etc.
How come you did as a martial artist never think of defending these moves? If in the US you ever get into a fight with another car owner, the probability is pretty high it is a wrestler, do you know what kind of damage you take getting slammed with the head into concrete or him switching to your back, pulling your legs away while smashing your face right into the ground? Did you see IcyMike struggle in his knife seminars with the wrestlers? if you get some day into the wrong fight, it is gonna be your last if you never thought about defending exotic moves
Dude try catch wrestling already. It’s super legit. It’s like rated R BJJ. A lot of Catch techniques are forbidden in BJJ because they are actually too efficient. Even the basic ground positions are differents, with the way you use you body weight.
It’s always a great day when Seth posts, I love your content
As someone who's gotten powerslammed in a gym not once, but twice, i never underestimate how devastating those moves can be. Youve gotta remember that yhose guys are doing it with the intention to NOT hurt each other. We do it with the intention TO hurt each other.
It's for good reason why bodyslams, in particular, is something martial arts generally don't do - even arts that specialize in slamming people into the ground.
Think of a powerful Judo throw, then double the fall distance. That's basically the kind of damage you're looking at. Hard to do, harder to walk away from.
Pro wrestlers are crazy athletes
The holds and the throws are legit
Seth was never actually in pain during making this. He was just trying to impress the pro with his acting chops.
Believe me, he was in pain. XD
"Acting chops"🤓
my favorite part of this video is how incredibly gentle you are on the landings when you're sparring. i'm not into martial arts and don't have an image of sparring, but it's nice to see someone so clearly interested in keeping people safe.
camel clutch is really effective in real life... if you get sharp shooter somehow its also going to be effective... if you get someone in momentum an arm bar lariat can be effective... if you do land the double kick to someones chest its going to be effective...
Can confirm it hurts also put someone in it and they tapped immediately 😂😂
That promo was actually pretty good :)
Would be really cool if more pro wrestling gyms offered catch wrestling classes to show the more real versions of the submissions. Some are doing that which is awesome but wish this was more common practice
WWE is like modern Aikido. Doing really dangerous things the safest way possible and making them look great at the same time.
Great video. But the part where you explain the history of wrestling with stick figures on a drawing board is simply hilarious. Made my day. Thank you
The biggest point of my channel is showing "Pro wrestling for MMA" in an attempt to bridge the forgotten gap between pro wrestling and MMA and how it has a shared history. Catch wrestling is a legitimate fighting art, and is real PRO wrestling! Sharpshooter, for example, is just a showy version of a cross heel hold from catch wrestling (often used in BJJ as well).
One thing I respect about Wresting is How the Attacker and Receiver executed their moves, one wrong move and the attacker or receiver will get injured. I remember The Rock went to the extreme when he received the signature moves of his opponent.
2:38 funny enough my capoeira coach tried similar throw setup on me. He picked me up pretty easily without my help, even though he is not that big, and i was around his weight
I love how when Seth was drop kicking in the ring, he'd immediately check if his opponent was okay after landing.
10:46 That RKO... 😹
man i just found out about your channel and it is so entertaining, I am absolutely loving learning all these martial art cultures and communities!!
Shoulder bump is one of the underrated moves. I remember MMA Shred did it well, that his opponent would fall from his bump alone
The most effective pro wrestling moves are the ones that have come from various grappling techniques e.g fireman's carry, the shoulder arm drag ,and the arm whip both which former Greco Roman Olympian Chad Gable use , the suplexes the german , the front salto or double overhook , the lateral drop , the T-bone, the gutwrench or Karelin lift ,Powerslams . the fisherman suplex , the submissions that have come from Judo, catch, folk style ,. The Russian leg sweep is taught in Judo, as is a variation of the side walk slam But Sensei Seth makes a great point strength is key to making more unconventional moves work in a clip on twitter I saw a guy in a fight hit another with Sheamus's white Noise .
One of the best videos you did so far! ... pretty impressive that you could do all these moves, and even more, that you could show that they couldn’t work sometimes. ...And it was fun as well.😊
15:08 How did I only JUST notice the Deadlift Lolita shirt!? That's awesome 😂
I would say that these moves are all high-risk, because they're highly exaggerated, but some could be high-impact. Some of them do require cooperation or else they're dangerous for everyone involved. A few of the submissions are legit as hell (since wrestling borrows from a lot of real styles).
That promo cut was fun. I loved the jab at jujitsu guys cuz they tap. Lol.
I wonder if the people in seths classes think, "wonder what kind of shenanigans seth is doing today." Lol.
I got to take pro wrestling classes for a while and it was fun. Havent done a match, but i enjoyed it and my coaches did think i had good form for some moves. I alos have a martial arts background aand was doing dance classes around that time, so it all had some overlap.
Loved this video!
First: Ive always thought this was cringe, but I took my opportunity. Love your videos Sensei Seth! Keep it up! Im a Taekwondo, Hapkido, and Gumdo practitioner and you always inspire me to do better.
11:31 That white belt knew the assignment!
Do you remember a TV show from the 90s called like World Martial Arts Stars (or something like that)? It was a lot of martial arts stuntmen doing like a professional wrestling kind of dramatic "competition" thing. It had a bunch of guys who did the mo-cap for the Mortal Kombat games and a few guys that you'd recognize from 90s action movies.
EDIT: I looked it up on IMDB...WMAC Masters from 95-96.
Yes! It aired early on Sunday mornings for me. I watched a few episodes, then decided that I'd rather sleep in instead.
Loved it!
If you ever visit the UK, I recommend a trip to The Snake Pit in Wigan. It's a well-known catch wrestling gym.
this is super cool! great video!
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Seth, you should try real old school Catch-As-Catch-Can Wrestling sometime.
You'd learn the real techniques modern WWE is based on.
It would be super fun.
ps.
it would also fix your version of WWE history. xD
I live in Kentucky and I’ve been in the same exact zoo and the sports complex from the last video that sports complex is where my school holds its tournaments right now
I saw a guy do a standing, two legged, drop kick to open a fight when I was back in school. It worked. He was one of the best athletes in the school and coincidentally a huge pro wrestling fan.
A thing i just realized, which I really like, is how chill all the people in your gym are! Sadly, so many gyms have people who just want to prove how tough/good they are, taking away opportunities for fun and improvement
I saw an escape from a triangle choke on WWE that I later used successfully in a BJJ competition.
I hope you can go back to pro wrestling's roots one day and train at a snake pit for a bit. Catch wrestling looks like a sick system to get into. I'd love a school near me.
Coming soon ish!
You have by far the best martial arts videos
A the good old days of kicking my little sister... fun time, until mine evolved into the dojo's "kick chick" and then revenge was served... a lot of revenge.
I have tapped people to the walls of jericho at bjj 😂 I couldnt believe it
Great work, that was sick
I was actually able to get a judo guy into a texas cloverleaf:) I got his ankle and he started kicking me with his other foot, so I was able to get him. All in good fun. Another wrestling move that I am often able to connect with people is short arm closeline. Basically it is an iriminage:)
As a fan of both wwe and ufc growing up, this video has been such a cool thing to see! Thank you
I´ve managed to pull the (single) boston crab off a couple of times in sparring against pretty legit guys with Josh Barnetts setup; From a standing straight ankle lock position, baiting them with force to the side you want to go so that they try to roll out, to a step over.
When you post it genuinely makes my dad so much better
I love your videos Seth. Thank you for what you do :D
I've always wanted to see this exact video
I love that everyone mentions that Nakamura has a MMA background, but nobody spreads the Sakuraba and Suzuki love.
@SenseiSeth I recommend watching some UWF / UWFi / BattlArts stuff from Japan. People tried to blend 'real fighting' and pro wrestling. While this Shoot Style isn't that popular, there are still a bunch of guys out there that are doing it.
There's also HARDHIT & CAPTURE International too for more modern examples!
@freddy2023 forgot about these. I haven't seen Hard Hit in ages. Is Sato still running it?
@@sebastians.6892 Yeah, he is if memory serves.
Seth, honestly: even though it was edited, your promo was pretty good. I said it before, I think you would make a good pro wrestler. You can talk, you already have a gimmick, you have the skills and the personality.
Man idk if I could handle the workload tbh!
I loved this, I wish you got more time to learn more moves because there are definitely moves in pro wrestling you can use for real. This was fun.
You know it’s going to be a great day sensei Seth post hope everyone as a great Saturday
I know the dropkick is effective as hell because I actually saw my dad and uncle in a physical fight where they were arguing about something, both being black belts in judo and Kyokushin style karate (which my dad taught me both that and even some aikido) and my dad actually did a full-on dropkick to my uncle in the chest. My uncle ended up landing on grass but he got kicked off the porch.
It is pretty funny, but not at the time.
Now they laugh about it since they've gotten over what happened back then, but it was serious because my uncle did some shady stuff with my dad's card and my dad wasn't having that.
Just watched your wrestling video, now this!!! Good stuff bro
well done. wickedly entertaining.
I love you Sensei Seth. Thanks for the videos.
This was extremely entertaining!
Sensei Seth, you have a natural talent for making this kind of content.
When I see pro wrestlers I like to think of what if we took your favorite action movie star and they did all there own stunts/fight choreography AND keep up the super hero physique AND they had to do it all live on a convention tour. That would be considered a crazy life if you saw such a thing, but that is pro wrestler's day-to-day. Mad respect to those men and women.
This was a lot of fun to watch, thanks Seth!
Commenting for the algorithm. Thanks for the video.
that jumping shoulder barge run thing at the near end in sparring made me laugh lol
the promo fire!
Loved the pro wrestling hype talk before the vid at the end 😆👏👏
this is actually an important and burning question.
thank you for taking the time to address it.
Seth's whiteboard game is awe-inspiring. I want to see him draw a HelloFresh recipe.
Like many, I used to discount WWE-style wrestling. Yes, it is not a pure martial art, more of a combination with a martial art and theater.
But there's nothing wrong with that. The wrestlers know it , and the audience knows it to.
Being able to make cool moves that involve the cooperation of both fighters and oinvolve being slammed like there's no tomorrow is impressive.
And that's besides the charisma and acting skills needed. All while hiding the pain.
Even Saenchai has part of this concept in his fighting style: make it fun and entertaining.
I think its great what you did. Trained and try out.
Greetings from the Netherlands
John Cena learnt ninjutsu before he joined WWE as a wrestler.
Harley Race. Ric Flair, Wahoo Mcdaniel, these guys would wrestle, then go kick real ass in the bars after the show. Tough, tough guys.
That dude is huge I didn't realize how big he was until him and Seth was standing next to each other
Yeah the camel clutch was the iron sheik's movie he was a real wrestling champion in Iran and it hurts and it's something that I believe people used to do in wrestling years ago before TV in order to really hurt and submit whoever their opponent is
Hey Seth, in the off chance you see this, I would like you to check out a show called Kengen Ashura. Its an anime (idk if you watch anime or not) but it explores the different worlds of different martial arts coming together. I think you would enjoy seeing it explore a lot of the topics you have previously covered. Keep up the great work man love the content!!👍👍
A Texas Cloverleaf is probably way more practical than a Boston Crab or a sharpshooter because they way you wrap up the other guys legs. I've actually seen a few Jiu jitsu techniques that are quite similar.
Really cool video :)
Watching seth just picking up people never gets old
*Bro just decided to throw in a piledriver like it's no big deal.*
Keep having fun.
To be fair a lateral revolution in sambo looks very close to a pro wrestling move
I'd love to see you talk to the Englishmartialarts channel about some of the history behind this & some of the original techniques that pro-wrestling stems from.
Full contact theater
Great content. Now here is what you do to make nearly everything work.....Tajiri's Poison mist even if its not poison they will blink or wipe their face leaving some seconds to execute a big move
I love the dude flying in to count out the Boston Crab
I was concerned when i saw the piledriver on there. Glad you were so safe about it
He really tried a rko. Damn you're entertaining