I went with a forester myself. My wife had a rav4 that lasted about 3 years then the engine completely died on her. We had read all about the reliability of toyota so we were taken completely off guard. We suddenly had to purchase a car and without any time to save for one she chose the subaru crosstrek because of the price and awd. She's had it for 3 years now and it is such a great vehicle. Persuaded me to purchase a Forester as my Kia Sorento (i'm ashamed to admit i bought one) died on me "unexpectedly" too. The Forester drives GREAT and all the talk about engine power, I can't say I ever really noticed it. I do a lot of city/highway and don't off road or haul much so it's never been a problem for me.
Looked at the rav4 and when you add heated seats, power lift gate, backup warning, and roof rack these are all additional options for the rav4 and the price gets over $41k. These are all standard features on the forester sport for $30k. Went with the limited for $33k.
When my Rav wears out, I’ll replace it with the Forester Touring, only bc I want the Brown leather interior. If Subaru offered the Forester in the Ivory leather interior on the Limited trim, I’d buy it instead. We have the Ivory interior in our Outback and love it.
I don't know why everyone is so fixated on a turbo, it's more moving parts that could possibly break. A 180hp is plenty adequate for a wagon. No one is buying these for racing, and if you need the extra power buy a WRX.
I am with you on that. The whole point here is getting you from point A to point B which all 3 are the best. For me the worst combination is a turbo engine with CVT which would be the CRV.
I looked at all three and decided on 2023 Forester Premium. Delivered just two days ago. I'm so glad I did. The Forester is very comfortable, powerful, and overall just offers more for the price.
I test drove the RAV4 before buying the Forester Wilderness. Both are good SUV's, but I liked the split screen, roominess of the cabin, and driving position (lower body lines gives you more of an outward/upright position-like a pick up truck). I am at 5K miles with no issues. Honestly, the Wilderness trim was deciding factor.
@@tominch7614 Very happy, would pull the trigger again. It's looks remind me of a WW2 Army jeep. It's seats are waterproof, it's meant for the outdoors.
I wanted a RAV4 hybrid, but after waiting 9 months (and no clear date of delivery) I dropped it and went to back to Subaru. I've had a 2014 Forester and 2017 Outback, and I liked the Forester best, so I ordered a Limited. They're saying 12 weeks.
Test drove both the Forrester and Rav on the weekend. honestly the only thing the Rav had on the Forrester was the hybrid, aside from that it felt dated and plasticy inside and the view outside was nothing on the Subaru
I’ve already spent $400 on mice damage on my silverado lease so I can’t imagine what the costs could be on a hybrid!! And with about 8 mpg at best difference for highway driving which I do most, I prefer gas only. I plan on long term ownership so want to stay away from a turbo too! Remember you said Fords 4 cylinder turbo’s are problems? How about these guys??? I have 6 months left on silverado and we want to downsize and buy. I will never pay more than msrp and am beginning to make notes of dealerships that rip people off. I plan to publish those soon through a powerful friend! So I’ll keep you informed even if I buyout my silverado lease. We appreciate your in depth and honest feedback especially about reliability issues. Some guys make it sound that the infotainment system is most important!! Or how the stereo sounds! They don’t work when it’s in for needless repairs!! Reliable transportation is for people who can’t afford to buy or lease every time before warranty runs out!!! Thanks!!
I agree reliability should be prioritized over things like touchscreens and sound systems. I don't understand why I'm one of the only reviewers that talks about reliability!
Researched this car segment for the last 2 months, my findings, - 5th gen forester rated #1 in safety and readability over all others including RAV, trial hawk, honda and bronco. That said, it has been a long road for Subaru from the CVT tranny , oil consumption, head gasket issues of past generation vehicles. At 6'3, CR just announced the Forester is #1 with tall drivers as well, no surprise as the "green house" visibility is very attractive. All the safety dings can be disabled permanently, with the exception of engine on/off at stop. After market solution will solve that as well. So, I will be picking up my Subaru Forester Wilderness / pearl white next week. Comfortable driving on and off road, safety and readability, looks, honest service advisors that I have visited with during this time, all have pushed me this direction. And finally driving my daughters 2017 Forester premium, sold me on being a Subie owner. Suggested maintenance to ensure long life; 30k diff (F/R) service, 40k CVT Transmission service, and oil changes every 4k. ruclips.net/video/ZF_JtgJ7aKQ/видео.html, FW new gearing much more high impact then the turbo on the Outback, and the turbo fights with other features of the vehicle HAPPY TRAILS
Been there done that with a Subaru turbo. It blew up twice - the second time out of warranty. Good riddens! It also weirdly hesitated before acceleration. I'd never buy a car with turbo again! I'm quite happy with a less complicated more reliable engine.
Thanks for the report on your experience with the turbo engine. This seems to be a problem across all makes of cars. When I chose my next car, I will go for a base engine. Reliability means much more to me than being able to go faster. Subaru has a reputation for being a little sleepy when accelerating but many Subaru owners say that this is not an issue in their experience.
I will stay with Forester gas models as the hybrid only adds complications with now 2 drive sources and what will the battery replacements cost you down the road? Add in the environmental impact of battery building and then disposal, a 33 MPG Forester will have less overall impact than a Hybrid.
The thing about this review…the intro…it’s all purely subjective. Power train, horsepower, torque etc. we have one of these and the power is more than adequate for n everyday driver and a highway cruiser. Like every car, test drive everything and carry a checklist. Check off your list yea or nay as you drive each one. This is a great way to pick your best choice. He summed it up with the phrase utilitarian design…AKA practical for everyone.
I’m really tossed between a Rav hybrid and a Forester. I currently own a 11 Rav 4WD Limited with a 269hp 3.5 V6 and Love it. We also own an Outback. It’s larger than my Rav and more comfortable, but it’s AWD is far superior over my Rav and feels more planted on the ground. I hate the CVT in our Outback. I love the fuel economy of the new Rav hybrid, but they’re quite a bit more expensive than the Forester.
Super Easy. Subaru Forester #1. (Highest rated vehicle in Consumer Reports) #2 rated is the Subaru Outback. RAV4 Is now ridiculously expensive, even more than BMW’s.
Thank you for your videos. They are straightforward and will be a huge help when I walk into the dealership. Question: In your opinion, which of the small SUVs are best for a short 75 yr old to drive???
Thank you! If you don't need a lot of space then the smaller sized SUVs would work just fine. My top recommendations are the Toyota Corolla Cross, Subaru Crosstrek, and Mazda CX-30. All three are very reliable and offer terrific value for money.
If the commenter/ reviewer knew anything about power to weight ratios…some math and physics involved here…he would realize that the power to weight ratio is fine. Everyone these days wants a rocket on wheels and that is not what is needed. The only reason subaru runs the turbo is because of this demand. The ace ration on this car…and all 2.5 Subaru vehicles is great for every day driving…but not the drag strip.
Not expecting a rocket. Compare it to the drive of the RAV4 hybrid though - Ick. It moves no faster than my 2017 Subaru Impreza. Not looking for top speed, just more responsiveness than my old Toyota Yaris :p
Was laughing to those cvt haters. My question is, did you even own a subaru with cvt transmission and for how long? I own 2018 forester to be honest and i dont have any issue with it. My foot becomes heavy most of the time im driving my forester but i dont have any complains. Not all cvt are bad, not with subaru. Or if someone that owns subaru and experience cvt problem, my next question is how did you treat your car?
2017 Subaru Impreza here (2.0L, CVT) no problems with the CVT, except having found it much prefers mid acceleration. Foot to the floor seems to make it go “no no no I don’t know what to do”. Have not had any issues with it though, and I’m on 135,000km
Hi Shari, here's my take: the RAV4 has 37.6 cubic feet of cargo space behind the second row of seats, while the Forester only has 28.9 cubic feet, and you can buy a RAV4 hybrid that's not only more fuel efficient (as you point out) but that also has considerably more horsepower (219 versus the Forester's measly 182). Given the small additional cost to buy the hybrid version of the RAV4 that will get paid back at the pump in 3-5 years, I just don't see any compelling reason to consider the Forester.
I mostly agree. The issue with the RAV4 Hybrid now is availability. Where I'm located, the average waiting period for the hybrid is now around 8-9 months which is crazy. Hopefully that improves soon.
@@carhelpcorner Hey Shari, I’ve been watching ur channel n you’re very good of what u do, I need your help and thought, we know want to go with the RAV4 Hybrid n we just pre-ordered a 2022 RAV4 XSE hybrid with All the goodies (pretty loaded) since the pandemic and chip shortage u can’t even negotiate on the price anymore and have a pay either at sticker price or even higher in most cases. Anyway the price we paid for the pre-order XSE RAV4 Hybrid is 41K so far and that’s not including the tax n fees or destination charge, so give us your thoughts, see what u think of the price we’ll pay n is the XSE hybrid is the right one to choose? By the way are you in Canada?
In our area, the Rav4 dealers are asking for a 5k markup over MSRP, which Subaru is not. That puts the Rav4 over 10k higher than the Forester - not worth it for Toyota's bleh interior. I just ordered a Forester.
@@ThompsonsTakeOn Just 5k? Dealerships around me asking for at least 10k for Rav4 Hybrid and 20k+ for Prime version. My uncle's friend just bought one two month ago, Rav4 Hybrid Prime for 60k out the door. So much for saving on gas.
as much as i love subarus and am even in the market for a forester myself... i feel i HAVE to mention this since there arent many videos abou this but... people should know about subarus "cracking windshield problem." People, if you havent heard of this yet, pls look into it before buying a subaru. To sum it up, for the love of god make sure you have windshield insurance. Ive heard of ppl having the windshield crack the day they bought it. Ive also heard ppl replace their cracked windshield, only for it to crack days later. It has something to do with the eye sight system, and if you replace the windshield it must be a subaru oem windshield ($1000), and theyll have to recalibrate your eyesight system ($600). I am still after a forester, but i will absolutely be getting either some warranty on the windshield or making sure my windshield is covered on my ins. policy.
this was originally a problem on their 2016/17 models and in 2020 subaru settled a class action suit against them because of the windshield issues. But in 2022, people are still reporting this problem. Crosstreks, Legacys, Foresters, and especially Outbacks...
If you don't push the brake hard to the floor the stop/start won't kick on and off. You won't even have to push the button each time if you wanna disable it. 😉
I did a 141 mile test drive on a 2021 Forester to Snoqualmie Pass and back , and then drove about 15 miles in city and got 35.2 mpg on the trip meter and 31.8 according to the pump. There seems to be a quite a few lead footed Subaru drivers.
I was leaning strongly towards the 2022 Forester for our new car, but our household's primary driver took a test drive and told me they can't see the blind spot properly, an issue they did not notice on the RAV4 test drive. They (the driver) are rather short, so perhaps the seatback is partially in the way, but my only guess is the mirrors were not adjusted properly or the seat was not in a good position. Any thoughts? The Forester's visibility is class-leading, and I just can't imagine that even shorter drivers should have problems seeing the blind spot.
So, what would you recommend the most for a family of 4 with 2 girls under 5 years, rav4 adventure or forester sport? (No wilderness available in Mexico)
The only reason I'd buy a Forester over Rav4 or CRV would be price, if it's cheaper otherwise I'd prefer a more powerful engine or hybrid engine that Toyota and Honda offer, Honda engine is small but the turbo gives it a lot of extra power, I can feel that with my Accord, in ECO mode the power is poor but economy is great, but if you choose sport mode that gives it a lot of extra power, and CRV have exact same engine. The Rav4 has even more power than CRV. Like Shari say all 3 are very reliable cars, Toyota makes the most reliable cars but Honda and Subaru are very close, so if you won't keep the car long time any of 3 are good choice.
The "power" issue with the Forester is a non issue... Seem ppl these days want a dragster. SFW has the whole package, and in demanding terrain, outpaces even Outback...
think you have it backwards. Asian vehicles have more quality parts than north american and they last longer, which is why Toyota, Honda, etc have better resell value and why chev dodge cars value plummet after you drive it off the lot.
You do realise the hybrid version is available everywhere in the world except the US? I’m driving one now in the UK and they’ve been available here since late 2019.
throughout weeks of intense research, I came to a conclusion that the 2022 Toyota RAV4 hybrid is the best choice in terms of price, fuel efficiency and reliability.
not always. my brother had to trade in his Rav4 because it has a couple of recall issues and it feels like its stuck for awhile in lowgear and he got a Subaru Crosstrek.
I am currently getting 7.2 L/100k or 32 mpg combined in my Rav4 LE FWD, and that's winter driving, that will improve even more n the summer. Why pay for a hybrid when I may, in ideal conditions, that i certainly don not ever drive in, only get an extra 7 mpg...lol.
Planning on getting a Nissan Rogue. The interior looks luxurious for the money we are paying and Nissan has been recently addressing their CVT issues and the 2022 model comes with a new powertrain. Any thoughts on this?
Yes, would buy the upcoming Rogue with turbo engine over the forester. If I don't care about lower gas mileage and weaker engine, the Forester is a good investment.
I would have preferred they kept the 2.5L engine instead of switching to a small displacement turbo. Nissan doesn't have a good track record for turbo engine or CVT reliability.
I bought my first car in 1977 when I was in the Navy. An MG. Fun but not built well. I have bought mostly Hondas and Toyotas but will not buy a car with a CVT, no matter who makes it.
Toyota, Toyota and Toyota absolutely reliable. Subaru would be my 2nd choice. Honda should be compared to a Hyundai and KIA because of their reliability issues in the last 10 years.
@@gutadin5 It depends which one has low kilometres. 😂 I would rather buy a 10 year old Toyota than a New Hyundai/KIA. The uncertainty with Korean cars leaving a bad taste with owners. I guess much like our politicians 😂
@@gutadin5 I was a Honda fanboy for 3 decades then Honda screwed me for the last 10 years with inferior cars made outside of Japan, so in the hunt for a better car manufacturer came across many RUclipsrs more importantly Care Care Nut and of course Car Help Corner when Shari was on CP24 years back. Scotty Kilmer is entertaining but he contradicts many of his videos…much like ArchieLuxury 😂 Scotty and Archie can entertain me.
I won't buy a Honda again until they part ways with GM (Government Motors). I have 2019 Forester. Great car! We looked at and wanted a Rav 4 but the headrests are extremely uncomfortable for long trips.
I really like the looks and all the great features of the Forester Wilderness, but ... the old school boxer engine and the problematic CVT bring me down a bit. The RAV4 Adventure is missing some good Subaru stuff, but it does have Toyota Torque Vectoring, a real 8-speed transmission and a more "capable" engine. I like the Forester but my wife wants the RAV4. Guess which one we are going to get. 😏
Subaru makes some of the best CVT's in the business. I was looking at a Rav 4 adventure and went with the Wilderness because of the harsh ride on the RAV.
I have both, depending on your preference. Forester sit a bit taller, feel more like a true SUV. Outback is a WAGON, sit lower but has more cargo space. Outback interior feel better than Forester. I like to sit higher so I drive the Forest and my wife get the Outback.
Outback has higher clearance, overall slightly better off road, and towing if needed. BUt Forester is better of fuel, and still great off road. i like the look of the outback better, but would probably opt for the better fuel efficiency with the forrseter
You might consider checking out the Lexus 350 NT turbo or the Acura RDX.. Huge step up from the Rav 4 or CRV in my opinion and so worth the extra money. Even the base RDX is miles ahead of a RAV4.
toyotas>uy ass hondas These turbo engines are so bad. I have a buddy who I used to work with has a 2018 civic hatchback sport touring and his engine is knocking so he had it towed to the dealer, apparently, his bearings and block is fucked up due to the oil dilution. He is so upset and says it's a shit box now. It's stupid how their whole line up is almost using that stupid turbo. Civic, accord, crv.
saw the writing on the wall for my oil diluted 2017 CRV and traded for 2019 Rav4...best decision ever...well..certainly better then the one to purchase the CRV or the Honda marketer that thought 1.5 turbo was the way to go.
Lack of drivetrain options lost me as a potential customer. The CV transmissions are total garbage don't matter the make! Stick with a 4 - 8 speed auto or manual for the best in reliability.
Lol ........ Please explain this then, per a press report. 97% of Subaru vehicles sold in the last 10 years are still on the road today, easily making them one of the longest-lasting car brands.
I went with a forester myself. My wife had a rav4 that lasted about 3 years then the engine completely died on her. We had read all about the reliability of toyota so we were taken completely off guard. We suddenly had to purchase a car and without any time to save for one she chose the subaru crosstrek because of the price and awd. She's had it for 3 years now and it is such a great vehicle. Persuaded me to purchase a Forester as my Kia Sorento (i'm ashamed to admit i bought one) died on me "unexpectedly" too. The Forester drives GREAT and all the talk about engine power, I can't say I ever really noticed it. I do a lot of city/highway and don't off road or haul much so it's never been a problem for me.
Wow that’s odd that your Rav died.
My 11 Rav 4WD Limited is still going strong, but I’ve got the 269hp 3.5 V6.
@@Doc1855 I honestly question this big time. The odds of a rav4 engine blowing are literally 1-300,000 😅
@@BrandonD Um you have me confused with the other person who said that his wife’s Rav’s engine blew after 3 years.
My Rav is still going strong.
@@Doc1855 right exactly HLK I was telling you his comment seems false to me since you were the only reply 😀
Did you do at least basic maintenance? Oil change, brakes, filter, etc.
Looked at the rav4 and when you add heated seats, power lift gate, backup warning, and roof rack these are all additional options for the rav4 and the price gets over $41k. These are all standard features on the forester sport for $30k. Went with the limited for $33k.
Forester's infotainment is more colorful and appealing
When my Rav wears out, I’ll replace it with the Forester Touring, only bc I want the Brown leather interior.
If Subaru offered the Forester in the Ivory leather interior on the Limited trim, I’d buy it instead.
We have the Ivory interior in our Outback and love it.
My wife doesn't like the RAV4 driving feeling. It is slow you heard the sound and feel it go fast, but not real.
I just bought the premium…❤️
@@ginnie5099 I agree. It’s so easy to use.
I don't know why everyone is so fixated on a turbo, it's more moving parts that could possibly break. A 180hp is plenty adequate for a wagon. No one is buying these for racing, and if you need the extra power buy a WRX.
I am with you on that. The whole point here is getting you from point A to point B which all 3 are the best. For me the worst combination is a turbo engine with CVT which would be the CRV.
I looked at all three and decided on 2023 Forester Premium. Delivered just two days ago. I'm so glad I did. The Forester is very comfortable, powerful, and overall just offers more for the price.
I test drove the RAV4 before buying the Forester Wilderness. Both are good SUV's, but I liked the split screen, roominess of the cabin, and driving position (lower body lines gives you more of an outward/upright position-like a pick up truck). I am at 5K miles with no issues. Honestly, the Wilderness trim was deciding factor.
Are you still happy you chose the wilderness? Would you again or wait for the 2024 change or something all around different?
@@tominch7614 Very happy, would pull the trigger again. It's looks remind me of a WW2 Army jeep. It's seats are waterproof, it's meant for the outdoors.
I wanted a RAV4 hybrid, but after waiting 9 months (and no clear date of delivery) I dropped it and went to back to Subaru. I've had a 2014 Forester and 2017 Outback, and I liked the Forester best, so I ordered a Limited. They're saying 12 weeks.
Test drove both the Forrester and Rav on the weekend. honestly the only thing the Rav had on the Forrester was the hybrid, aside from that it felt dated and plasticy inside and the view outside was nothing on the Subaru
I think one of the great things about the Forester is it's field of view.
I’ve already spent $400 on mice damage on my silverado lease so I can’t imagine what the costs could be on a hybrid!! And with about 8 mpg at best difference for highway driving which I do most, I prefer gas only. I plan on long term ownership so want to stay away from a turbo too! Remember you said Fords 4 cylinder turbo’s are problems? How about these guys???
I have 6 months left on silverado and we want to downsize and buy. I will never pay more than msrp and am beginning to make notes of dealerships that rip people off. I plan to publish those soon through a powerful friend! So I’ll keep you informed even if I buyout my silverado lease. We appreciate your in depth and honest feedback especially about reliability issues. Some guys make it sound that the infotainment system is most important!! Or how the stereo sounds! They don’t work when it’s in for needless repairs!! Reliable transportation is for people who can’t afford to buy or lease every time before warranty runs out!!!
Thanks!!
I agree reliability should be prioritized over things like touchscreens and sound systems. I don't understand why I'm one of the only reviewers that talks about reliability!
Researched this car segment for the last 2 months, my findings, - 5th gen forester rated #1 in safety and readability over all others including RAV, trial hawk, honda and bronco. That said, it has been a long road for Subaru from the CVT tranny , oil consumption, head gasket issues of past generation vehicles. At 6'3, CR just announced the Forester is #1 with tall drivers as well, no surprise as the "green house" visibility is very attractive. All the safety dings can be disabled permanently, with the exception of engine on/off at stop. After market solution will solve that as well. So, I will be picking up my Subaru Forester Wilderness / pearl white next week. Comfortable driving on and off road, safety and readability, looks, honest service advisors that I have visited with during this time, all have pushed me this direction. And finally driving my daughters 2017 Forester premium, sold me on being a Subie owner. Suggested maintenance to ensure long life; 30k diff (F/R) service, 40k CVT Transmission service, and oil changes every 4k.
ruclips.net/video/ZF_JtgJ7aKQ/видео.html, FW new gearing much more high impact then the turbo on the Outback, and the turbo fights with other features of the vehicle
HAPPY TRAILS
Enjoy the Wilderness. Tho I wish we had the 2022, we plan to keep our 2019 Sport for 10+ yrs for as long as it never give up on us.
Been there done that with a Subaru turbo. It blew up twice - the second time out of warranty. Good riddens! It also weirdly hesitated before acceleration. I'd never buy a car with turbo again! I'm quite happy with a less complicated more reliable engine.
Thanks for the report on your experience with the turbo engine. This seems to be a problem across all makes of cars. When I chose my next car, I will go for a base engine. Reliability means much more to me than being able to go faster. Subaru has a reputation for being a little sleepy when accelerating but many Subaru owners say that this is not an issue in their experience.
I will stay with Forester gas models as the hybrid only adds complications with now 2 drive sources and what will the battery replacements cost you down the road? Add in the environmental impact of battery building and then disposal, a 33 MPG Forester will have less overall impact than a Hybrid.
The thing about this review…the intro…it’s all purely subjective. Power train, horsepower, torque etc. we have one of these and the power is more than adequate for n everyday driver and a highway cruiser. Like every car, test drive everything and carry a checklist. Check off your list yea or nay as you drive each one. This is a great way to pick your best choice. He summed it up with the phrase utilitarian design…AKA practical for everyone.
I’m really tossed between a Rav hybrid and a Forester.
I currently own a 11 Rav 4WD Limited with a 269hp 3.5 V6 and Love it.
We also own an Outback. It’s larger than my Rav and more comfortable, but it’s AWD is far superior over my Rav and feels more planted on the ground.
I hate the CVT in our Outback.
I love the fuel economy of the new Rav hybrid, but they’re quite a bit more expensive than the Forester.
Hello,
Your vedios were super helpful.
I have quick question, will car prices will come down in future?
What is the good time to purchase the vehicle.
Proud 2020 Subaru 2.0i-S Eyesight owner here. 😊
Same here! If I could do it over I would buy it again
Update… We chose the Forester Touring in Bronze with Brown leather interior.
We love our Outback so that had a lot to do with choosing our Forester.
Super Easy. Subaru Forester #1. (Highest rated vehicle in Consumer Reports)
#2 rated is the Subaru Outback.
RAV4 Is now ridiculously expensive, even more than BMW’s.
when you consider that japanese vehicles outlast german ones by a huge margin, then maybe they're worth it?
@@lowkeyconvert8971 yes!! Precisely!!
Thank you for your videos. They are straightforward and will be a huge help when I walk into the dealership. Question: In your opinion, which of the small SUVs are best for a short 75 yr old to drive???
Thank you! If you don't need a lot of space then the smaller sized SUVs would work just fine. My top recommendations are the Toyota Corolla Cross, Subaru Crosstrek, and Mazda CX-30. All three are very reliable and offer terrific value for money.
The forester does have a hybrid option, but isn’t available in the US apparently
It's useless, just adds more complexity and repair costs. That's why I didn't buy it E.U
My Buddys wife "had" a hybrid M-B 350eq.
Cost to replace the battery system?
$20,000.
Forester by far , not even a contest.
If the commenter/ reviewer knew anything about power to weight ratios…some math and physics involved here…he would realize that the power to weight ratio is fine. Everyone these days wants a rocket on wheels and that is not what is needed. The only reason subaru runs the turbo is because of this demand. The ace ration on this car…and all 2.5 Subaru vehicles is great for every day driving…but not the drag strip.
Not expecting a rocket. Compare it to the drive of the RAV4 hybrid though - Ick. It moves no faster than my 2017 Subaru Impreza. Not looking for top speed, just more responsiveness than my old Toyota Yaris :p
Was laughing to those cvt haters. My question is, did you even own a subaru with cvt transmission and for how long?
I own 2018 forester to be honest and i dont have any issue with it. My foot becomes heavy most of the time im driving my forester but i dont have any complains. Not all cvt are bad, not with subaru. Or if someone that owns subaru and experience cvt problem, my next question is how did you treat your car?
2017 Subaru Impreza here (2.0L, CVT) no problems with the CVT, except having found it much prefers mid acceleration. Foot to the floor seems to make it go “no no no I don’t know what to do”. Have not had any issues with it though, and I’m on 135,000km
Hi Shari, here's my take: the RAV4 has 37.6 cubic feet of cargo space behind the second row of seats, while the Forester only has 28.9 cubic feet, and you can buy a RAV4 hybrid that's not only more fuel efficient (as you point out) but that also has considerably more horsepower (219 versus the Forester's measly 182). Given the small additional cost to buy the hybrid version of the RAV4 that will get paid back at the pump in 3-5 years, I just don't see any compelling reason to consider the Forester.
I mostly agree. The issue with the RAV4 Hybrid now is availability. Where I'm located, the average waiting period for the hybrid is now around 8-9 months which is crazy. Hopefully that improves soon.
@@carhelpcorner Hey Shari, I’ve been watching ur channel n you’re very good of what u do, I need your help and thought, we know want to go with the RAV4 Hybrid n we just pre-ordered a 2022 RAV4 XSE hybrid with All the goodies (pretty loaded) since the pandemic and chip shortage u can’t even negotiate on the price anymore and have a pay either at sticker price or even higher in most cases. Anyway the price we paid for the pre-order XSE RAV4 Hybrid is 41K so far and that’s not including the tax n fees or destination charge, so give us your thoughts, see what u think of the price we’ll pay n is the XSE hybrid is the right one to choose? By the way are you in Canada?
In our area, the Rav4 dealers are asking for a 5k markup over MSRP, which Subaru is not. That puts the Rav4 over 10k higher than the Forester - not worth it for Toyota's bleh interior. I just ordered a Forester.
@@ThompsonsTakeOn Just 5k? Dealerships around me asking for at least 10k for Rav4 Hybrid and 20k+ for Prime version. My uncle's friend just bought one two month ago, Rav4 Hybrid Prime for 60k out the door. So much for saving on gas.
Has Subaru fixed the CVT transmission problems?
Don't care about hybrid. I mostly drive highway, not in stop and go traffic where having the hybrid would be most beneficial.
as much as i love subarus and am even in the market for a forester myself... i feel i HAVE to mention this since there arent many videos abou this but...
people should know about subarus "cracking windshield problem."
People, if you havent heard of this yet, pls look into it before buying a subaru.
To sum it up, for the love of god make sure you have windshield insurance. Ive heard of ppl having the windshield crack the day they bought it. Ive also heard ppl replace their cracked windshield, only for it to crack days later.
It has something to do with the eye sight system, and if you replace the windshield it must be a subaru oem windshield ($1000), and theyll have to recalibrate your eyesight system ($600).
I am still after a forester, but i will absolutely be getting either some warranty on the windshield or making sure my windshield is covered on my ins. policy.
this was originally a problem on their 2016/17 models and in 2020 subaru settled a class action suit against them because of the windshield issues. But in 2022, people are still reporting this problem. Crosstreks, Legacys, Foresters, and especially Outbacks...
On my Forester I get about 18 to 22 MPG, ride o should I say seats are a little too stiff for me, the auto stop feature drives me nuts 🤪.
If you don't push the brake hard to the floor the stop/start won't kick on and off.
You won't even have to push the button each time if you wanna disable it. 😉
I get about 24 mpg combined on my Forester Xt which has turbo engine and there is something wrong if you only get 18~22 mpg
My 21 Forester gets 29 combined..36 hwy last time out..not a lead foot
I did a 141 mile test drive on a 2021 Forester to Snoqualmie Pass and back , and then drove about 15 miles in city and got 35.2 mpg on the trip meter and 31.8 according to the pump. There seems to be a quite a few lead footed Subaru drivers.
You're driving like a moron if that's the best gas mileage you're getting out of that car.
I'd prefer the Ford Bronco Sport Badlands, a lot more horsepower and higher towing capacity plus no CVT transmission.
I was leaning strongly towards the 2022 Forester for our new car, but our household's primary driver took a test drive and told me they can't see the blind spot properly, an issue they did not notice on the RAV4 test drive. They (the driver) are rather short, so perhaps the seatback is partially in the way, but my only guess is the mirrors were not adjusted properly or the seat was not in a good position. Any thoughts? The Forester's visibility is class-leading, and I just can't imagine that even shorter drivers should have problems seeing the blind spot.
Currently have the 22 forester, 4"11, I absolutely love my subaru. Not the auto start stop though lol
Beware the Sub(standard) Forester - the oil burning issue has Not been resolved no matter what they say /........
So, what would you recommend the most for a family of 4 with 2 girls under 5 years, rav4 adventure or forester sport? (No wilderness available in Mexico)
forester
Of the 3 sub's which has the best backup camera?
Thank for your video. It's very nice car.
6:44 excuse me ? You didn't even compared the outdated rav4 drive assist with the much more advanced 2022 forester
Good review sir 👍
The only reason I'd buy a Forester over Rav4 or CRV would be price, if it's cheaper otherwise I'd prefer a more powerful engine or hybrid engine that Toyota and Honda offer, Honda engine is small but the turbo gives it a lot of extra power, I can feel that with my Accord, in ECO mode the power is poor but economy is great, but if you choose sport mode that gives it a lot of extra power, and CRV have exact same engine. The Rav4 has even more power than CRV. Like Shari say all 3 are very reliable cars, Toyota makes the most reliable cars but Honda and Subaru are very close, so if you won't keep the car long time any of 3 are good choice.
The "power" issue with the Forester is a non issue... Seem ppl these days want a dragster. SFW has the whole package, and in demanding terrain, outpaces even Outback...
I have subie 2007 Base model, really handle better and fun to drive than other but Asian cars wear out with cheap materials
think you have it backwards. Asian vehicles have more quality parts than north american and they last longer, which is why Toyota, Honda, etc have better resell value and why chev dodge cars value plummet after you drive it off the lot.
It's weird that Subaru is not offering hybrids in North America as all Foresters in Europe are hybrid only! :-)))
You do realise the hybrid version is available everywhere in the world except the US? I’m driving one now in the UK and they’ve been available here since late 2019.
I do know that but yes I was referring to the North American market
China sold hundred thousands toyota hybrid on discounted price, US dealership are greedy assholes !
Yes, we know. We just can't get our hands on one of them.
Toyota is KING 🤴
You know, I can't help but think all these "SUV" vehicles are just bubbled station wagons. Bleh. Stuck with them for cost, though.
kindly perform the durability and toughness test review on these SUVs , we need tough durable SUVs not only reliable
Are these tough durable SUVs?
My video on the most reliable midsize SUVs has a few that are very tough and durable
@@carhelpcorner Personally I do not think Subaru or Mazda or Honda are durable and tough SUVs except reliable only .
throughout weeks of intense research, I came to a conclusion that the 2022 Toyota RAV4 hybrid is the best choice in terms of price, fuel efficiency and reliability.
In terms of safety, better ride, better resale, AWD, and uniqueness, the Forester is better. I see a Rav everywhere.
not always. my brother had to trade in his Rav4 because it has a couple of recall issues and it feels like its stuck for awhile in lowgear and he got a Subaru Crosstrek.
@@filcad what year was his rav4 before trading?
@@jimjim7008 2020. He loved it though. He even misses it sometimes because it has better fuel consumption. 🤣
My rav4 2022 gas model gave me 30 mpg. Combine
I am currently getting 7.2 L/100k or 32 mpg combined in my Rav4 LE FWD, and that's winter driving, that will improve even more n the summer. Why pay for a hybrid when I may, in ideal conditions, that i certainly don not ever drive in, only get an extra 7 mpg...lol.
Planning on getting a Nissan Rogue. The interior looks luxurious for the money we are paying and Nissan has been recently addressing their CVT issues and the 2022 model comes with a new powertrain. Any thoughts on this?
Yes, would buy the upcoming Rogue with turbo engine over the forester. If I don't care about lower gas mileage and weaker engine, the Forester is a good investment.
I would have preferred they kept the 2.5L engine instead of switching to a small displacement turbo. Nissan doesn't have a good track record for turbo engine or CVT reliability.
I would stay away from Nissan
Thank you 🙏
Does Subaru still struggle with head gasket issues?
I understand that was corrected in 2015.
2012 when they new engine also switched to a timing chain
drove rav 4 le as a rental, unbelievably cheap feeling car. poor noise insulation. tin can on wheels frankly. interior plastic fantastic.
Lack of a turbo engine and hybrid option in the Forester is disappointing.
I really like Subaru Forester but not a Fan of CVT's
I bought my first car in 1977 when I was in the Navy. An MG. Fun but not built well. I have bought mostly Hondas and Toyotas but will not buy a car with a CVT, no matter who makes it.
Toyota, Toyota and Toyota absolutely reliable.
Subaru would be my 2nd choice.
Honda should be compared to a Hyundai and KIA because of their reliability issues in the last 10 years.
Which is more reliable, Kia or Hyundai?
@@gutadin5 It depends which one has low kilometres. 😂 I would rather buy a 10 year old Toyota than a New Hyundai/KIA.
The uncertainty with Korean cars leaving a bad taste with owners. I guess much like our politicians 😂
@@Thankyou_3 are you a fan of Scotty Kilmer?
@@gutadin5 I was a Honda fanboy for 3 decades then Honda screwed me for the last 10 years with inferior cars made outside of Japan, so in the hunt for a better car manufacturer came across many RUclipsrs more importantly Care Care Nut and of course Car Help Corner when Shari was on CP24 years back. Scotty Kilmer is entertaining but he contradicts many of his videos…much like ArchieLuxury 😂 Scotty and Archie can entertain me.
Yup, Honda A/C sucks lately
Rav4 plug in 😊
I won't buy a Honda again until they part ways with GM (Government Motors). I have 2019 Forester. Great car! We looked at and wanted a Rav 4 but the headrests are extremely uncomfortable for long trips.
I really like the looks and all the great features of the Forester Wilderness, but ... the old school boxer engine and the problematic CVT bring me down a bit. The RAV4 Adventure is missing some good Subaru stuff, but it does have Toyota Torque Vectoring, a real 8-speed transmission and a more "capable" engine. I like the Forester but my wife wants the RAV4. Guess which one we are going to get. 😏
Subaru makes some of the best CVT's in the business. I was looking at a Rav 4 adventure and went with the Wilderness because of the harsh ride on the RAV.
Happy wife... Happy Life......
The real question is - Forester or Outback?
I have both, depending on your preference. Forester sit a bit taller, feel more like a true SUV. Outback is a WAGON, sit lower but has more cargo space. Outback interior feel better than Forester.
I like to sit higher so I drive the Forest and my wife get the Outback.
Outback has higher clearance, overall slightly better off road, and towing if needed. BUt Forester is better of fuel, and still great off road.
i like the look of the outback better, but would probably opt for the better fuel efficiency with the forrseter
The forester are allterrain
@@mariannat1484 they both are
@@hammothw4814 I LIKE FORASTER MY NEXT SUV.
It's a bit out of topic but what is your take on 2022 volkswagen tiguan? Anyone? Thanks.
You'll be sorry they're garbage.
They are fine to lease for 3-4 years then return. They tend to be expensive to repair out of warranty and not worth keeping.
@@carhelpcorner yeah that's what I am thinking too. Looks like I'm going to stick with rav 4. Thank you so much!!!
@@ronaldmyers2042 thanks for the tip Ronald. Have a good one.
You might consider checking out the Lexus 350 NT turbo or the Acura RDX.. Huge step up from the Rav 4 or CRV in my opinion and so worth the extra money. Even the base RDX is miles ahead of a RAV4.
Thoughts on the Jeep Grand Cherokee
Ask Scotty Kilmer.
FOrester is best 4wd and sport
toyotas>uy ass hondas
These turbo engines are so bad. I have a buddy who I used to work with has a 2018 civic hatchback sport touring and his engine is knocking so he had it towed to the dealer, apparently, his bearings and block is fucked up due to the oil dilution. He is so upset and says it's a shit box now.
It's stupid how their whole line up is almost using that stupid turbo. Civic, accord, crv.
This is 1.5T engine, right? What mileage he made with that car?
saw the writing on the wall for my oil diluted 2017 CRV and traded for 2019 Rav4...best decision ever...well..certainly better then the one to purchase the CRV or the Honda marketer that thought 1.5 turbo was the way to go.
Lack of drivetrain options lost me as a potential customer. The CV transmissions are total garbage don't matter the make! Stick with a 4 - 8 speed auto or manual for the best in reliability.
The eCVTs in most hybrids are very reliable. They use a planetary gear set instead of a belt so they don't fail.
Honda is king of crop🔥
Wrong. My 2019 CRV' s got oil dilution problem. Last Honda this lifetime for me.
They got too big. I'll take my 2007 Forester TYVM.
Bitch please, no Dodge Challenger will catch up to any Forester or Outback
Just started - NOOOOOOO
Rav4 all the way!
Most people don't care if a car is hybrid no matter how much the ecofascists push it
I don't know just take a look at how long the wait times are for every hybrid SUV right now
Subaru is a good car but doesn’t last as long as all its competitors.
Lol ........ Please explain this then, per a press report.
97% of Subaru vehicles sold in the last 10 years are still on the road today, easily making them one of the longest-lasting car brands.
they last longer than most American ones.
you are right, my 1999 outback with over 250,000 miles just blew a headgasket, lol
Boxter engines are waiting for an opportunity to fail. Its their downfall.