This show proves the people making Marvel's "the next thing" have not seen "the previous things". Zero continuity within a franchise is a death knell, but in a shared Universe is unforgivable.
That's the problem that most anti woke morons and pro woke morons miss. The MCU was special because the movies were interconnected, not Just because there was keyjangling and random easter eggs here and there
Zero continuity within a franchise really isn't a problem, plenty of franchise's product are only linked in name and have zero continuity (Final Fantasy and Tales of serie comes to mind), the problem is with MCU being a shared universe.
@hinugundamB Consistency isn't just for in universe events connecting from point A-B. It's having consistent themes, personalities and subtext that relates to the character and their story. Once that is lost, you've fucked it.
I find it hilarious how people write EFAP off as Alt-Right, but if they actually watch the show you get hour+ long highlights about things like "the cast is upset that a black character was obliterated by shitty writers." Or how about being mad about Black Widow. Not because "women bad," but how the writers took a massive shit all over her character arc.
Those that hate simply never watched. Like that nothingbutmedia guy from organized chaos’ stream. I never saw him but i had a theory about him. Seriously even wayyy back with mauler and wolf debating that kid on TLJ. The kid said don’t call me stupid, mauler simply said i never called you that? Its not about insults or whatever, its about good writing. Thats why i love the EFAP crew, they’ve helped show us how important writing is for film
At least Will Smith went out with a bang (well, a slap). Jackson is just squandering all of his goodwill with the audience without even making it interesting.
If you told me in the early 2000’s with the MIB movies, I’am legend and that movie he did with his kid that got him a Oscar, he was on top of the world, Sam was a fuckin action icon, now I genuinely don’t care about either and if I see them I don’t get excited like k would have when I was younger, and I’m not even out of my 20’s.
Let’s look at Captain Marvel’s curriculum vitae, shall we? - Destroying Supreme Intelligence (which is technically Kree’s entire government) which led to genocide and civil war in Kree’s planet. - Failing to keep her promise to the Skrulls about finding their new home but it’s fine because they blamed it all on Fury anyway. - Saving Skrulls in the first place, considering they have a repeating track record of subverting the government of the other species (Kree and human) and trying to nuke the whole world. - Abandoning Monica Rambeau for many decades because she’s a coward.
Which would've been fine storytelling wise, a chance to explore the seeming perfect hero through her biggest failings if the writers had even an ounce of awareness.
Luke, Joel, Batman, GOT characters and everyone else: Got character assassinated but at least, still have past accomplishments for us to cherish. Nick Fury: His past, present and future was completely gone.
Though here's the question now, are there any characters that you can say that are still part of the Avengers that haven't had any damage done to them from Endgame till now? I'd say Spider-Man but that is even that's in the air whether he's still on the team.
@@mikzpwnz_3199I… do not think any of them are spared. Thor is made into a “comedy” mockery. Hulk is reduced to a powerless person whose actual traumas and suffering are compared to that of his useless cousin. Iron Man has passed away, and we instead have a sub-par replacement in the second Black Panther film. Guardians have disbanded, and reassembled into a different composition. Characters such as Rhodey, Sam, Bucky, etc. are changed quite a lot or have their histories retconned, or are placed into Phases 4-5 with less than ideal writing and representation. Black Widow is dead, and received a less than stellar film. Hawkeye has retired. No one remains, really. Everyone is either dead, cast aside, or turned into a comedic relief. Spiderman is… better than most. But considering all that has happened, I doubt that will last much longer.
@@viddykhaos2896 wow, they were all hit harder than phase 4/5 than they were with the snap. There's not even an Antman to help them build themselves back up as they got to him too. The only reason they haven't been completely obliterated is that the most powerful villain they could have been up against is as threatening as post TLJ Kylo Ren. Guess that's the evidence you need to show how little thought or care went into the writing beyond just the overall agenda pushing that's present in all of this phase it's almost like that's the only concrete thing they had written down as the multiverse has contradicting explanations and there was no real unanimous movement towards an overarching story that phase 5 and phase 4 have no clear separation points. This means for the MCU and marvel studios , is there an Avengers left to actually call on to reliably make money? The reason why they're not using that title is because if an Avengers movie bombs, there's no hope for a turnaround and the entire thing collapses.
I did a little research at work and found that he's also called "Nick" by Tony Stark in Avengers 1. During the scene where him and Banner are trying to find the Tessaract using Loki's Scepter. Took like 2 minutes to find the quote. They didn't even try lol Edit: Tony also calls him "Nick" at the very start of Age of Ultron! In Winter Soldier, Steve calls him "Nick" four times, and Black Widow calls him "Nick" twice during his fake out death. Damn, can't believe the Avengers were full of Skrulls
You triggered a memory so I am randomly going to tell you about it. This happened to me once back in 2008. I was driving one evening with my window down and hit a red light. A limousine full of what I assume were sorority girls pulled up next to me with their windows down and one asked me if I knew where "Club Vogue" was. I said I didn't know, I don't go to nightclubs. There was a pause and then a different girl called me the N-word and they rolled the window back up. As a white man I was puzzled and remain so to this day.
The panel exposing that Fury's dusting flashback was retconned to make him sound more pathetic is the 2nd-best part of the stream, and it really is the crown jewel of his character assassination. Dismantling Nick's offscreen achievements is bad enough, but to actively rewrite scenes we've already seen to gaslight us makes the showrunners as much of a loser as they painted Nick as. I'd be mad if it wasn't so goddamn hilarious. Also, please make a highlight of this show's final CGI fight. That arm is the stuff of legends.
If there’s one thing I don’t understand it’s why. Nick fury was an uber-competent black character. Why did a bunch of woke people make one of their chosen people not only incompetent now, but take away every achievement he had ever achieved. If this was Tony stark I could put 2 and 2 together, and it would equal 4. Right now my calculator is giving me a syntax error. Samuel Jackson is also sipping the kool aid so it wasn’t out of spite towards him like they did to Wasp. It just baffles me man.
@sqwalnoc This deserves to be reiterated. I remember lurking leftie forums in the late 2010s, and one of the repeated subjects that came up was “cishet black males are the ‘straight white men’ of the marginalized community.” It’s all LGBT and women elevation all the time now, with brown men lined up to be thrown under the bus once they finally get done with tearing down whitey.
it genuinely does piss me off that they did that. Rhodes never got a real chance to mainline, he was always either comic relief or the background-badass there to add more explosions to the fight. *_especially_* post-tony they could have had an interesting movie, series of movies, TV show, etc. where he is trying to keep doing work but can't actually improve or repair his suit(s) since he didn't invent the technology and isn't a tech-guy. I despise Riri as a character and concept, but, if you *_need_* to introduce her, why the hell didn't they have Rhodes find her to help maintain and improve his suits? I mean a much *_better_* idea would be to reveal that Tony made an AI for this case, *_like we already know he did for Peter,_* since then you're able to 'rhyme' with the original Iron Man movies where Tony was mostly alone but could bounce off of Jarvis and DUM-E for character interactions. Rhodes is one of those characters that I'm really pissed has never gotten a fair shake because he has a ton of potential to drive excellent stories, but it requires taking him seriously for extended periods of time.
@robonator2945 Well said 👏 👍 👌 What pisses me off additionally is how they are pushing black characters and race swaps while they had a black character there the whole time! I would've LOVED a War Machine movie.
@@nont18411 You're not entirely wrong, but not quite right either. Yes, he started the trend, but it *became* a trend because of how Hollywood executives operate. The Nolan Batman was popular? Quick, turn every superhero movie into dark, angry, brooding action movies! Wait, the MCU is popular now? Quick, take our IPs and make them into an inter-connected universe, no matter how little sense it makes! What, now the Guardians of the Galaxy is popular? Quick, make every superhero movie into campy, quippy comedies with a group of misfits! The same thing happened to GoT as well, where the writing, the layered characters, and the themes were reduced to "Make everyone miserable, kill the characters people like, and put boobs in it (last one is optional)". Hollywood had always done this, it just became much more obvious in modern times, when the turn-over of a media fad is measured in years, instead of decades.
30:55-31:11 Mediocre Alexander Pearce’s of the world. Wait you mean Robert Redford? The man who ran Hydra in WS and even orchestrated the Winter Soldier program in the Bucky flashback? That’s a mediocre man? Fuck me, what a clunky line.
In regards to Nick Fury's motivation to put together the Avengers about 15 minutes into this video, this isn't even up to interpretation or debate. His motivational speech to the Avengers to prompt them to act as a team and defeat Loki after suffering a defeat at his hands, in large part because of how uncoordinated and distrustful they were of each other (Loki's plan was based on not only unleashing the Hulk, but his opportunity to do that came from the Mind Stone making the Avengers argue with each other) literally goes like this: Nick Fury has lost trust with the Avengers when they discover that S.H.I.E.L.D was using the Tesseract to develop highly-advanced weapons of mass destruction. His justification for this came in the earlier scene before Loki's attack and defeat of the Avengers. "Last year earth had a visitor with a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, we are hopelessly - _hilariously_ - outgunned." When Thor (the "grudge" of earth's visitor) responded with "My people want nothing but peace with your planet", Nick Fury snapped back "But you're not the only people out there, are you? _And_ you're not the only threat". In the scene after Loki's defeat of the Avengers where Nick Fury has to say something to motivate them all, he admits S.H.I.E.L.D's attempts to create weapons from the Tesseract, but then he adds this... "...But I never put all my chips on that number though because I was playing something even riskier..." and then comes the speech about the Avengers Initiative. "There was an idea...Stark knows this...to bring together a group of remarkable people, so that when we needed them to, they could fight the battles that we never could." The Avengers was made to defend earth from threats Nick Fury couldn't. Literally no wiggle room
That line has really weird implications if Skrulls were around the whole time. How is having shapeshifters being outgunned? Why not tell the Avengers about them? Secret Invasion taints the whole franchise and retcons everything. 🤦🏽♀️
@@hope-cat4894 Not to Secret Invasion's credit, but Nick Fury keeps a lot of secrets from the Avengers. I mean, this very scene I referenced is literally _caused_ by the Avengers learning that Nick Fury kept a really important secret from them. Not only that, but he's not referring to shapeshifters when he says "We're hilariously outgunned". He specifically mentions the Destroyer that Loki sent to earth in the first Thor movie, and that think literally has a massive head-laser that explodes buildings and seems to be mostly immune to small-arms fire
I'm shocked Disney isn't sweeping phase 4 under the rug by saying various movies happen "in other universes" Hell, this is supposedly the "multiverse saga" and yet we just stay in this one universe, barring MoM, NWH, and Loki. But those are either heavily tied to the main universe, or directly take place or are directly influenced by the main universe. Even then, Marvels directly contradict this by having the Skrulls living on another world (iirc anyway, I'll be fair and admit I may be misremembering that)
The total annihilation of a character is what this show should be called. NIck Fury in avengers is literally the guy with a plan for everything, however, he hopes that the avengers will rise above their issues and come together to save the world. In this show his character is totally destroyed on multiple levels, it is not even to the point of a parody. It is spiteful hatred of the character and what they stood for.
Secret Invasion introduces the MCU's Perfect Cell, as well as deconstructing a powerful spymaster like Nick Fury and making the entire Earth justified in hating Skrulls and other aliens that are on and could come to Earth.
@@austin9568AuraMasterDXWe can only hope Spidey is the Gohan in this comparison. But knowing these shlocks, it's gonna be RyyRyy Wyllyams. Monica and Kamala's the Cell Jrs, so it can't be them. EDIT: My brain dumb. I thought Cell was Plank in this metaphor, not Mrs. Arm Cruncher. At least Kamala would make a lick of sense as Gohan, but hopefully Plank becomes collateral first.
As far as I'm concerned this show isn't cannon. Fury didn't have skrulls do all of his work for him. He didn't marry a skrull who took the identity of some weirdo. And the Rhodey that watched Tony die was not a f**king skrull.
Jackson lost all of my respect years ago when he was whining about Trump and said “My cousin is disabled so the taxpayer needs to provide for him!” Bastard, you’re insanely wealthy. Why do you want others to provide for him rather than helping your own family?
Just replace Skrulls with Romulans and Fury with Picard and you have one of the many plot lines from Picard series 1. What a terrible series. Oh, they also did the deconstruction rubbish with Picard as well.
Fuck that, we can replace "Skrulls" with "Illegal Immigrants" and the plot becomes even more fucking apparent. Creatures coming into our country illegally and are destabilizing the country from multiple levels? What did Disney mean by this?
23:54 Honestly, these writers have the object permanence sense of infants when it comes to prior world events. Loki’s scepter/the Mind stone is another forgotten item that should be common knowledge to governments (if it weren’t, Hawkeye and Selvig should have been facing serious consequences for ‘helping’ Loki). They should know that there are means of so perfectly and instantly subverting a person’s free will without losing any of their skills, knowledge, or mannerisms.
I never watched captain marvel, or secret invasion, but why would a human whose people have never been to the next planet over promise to find aliens a world, and why would aliens believe for a moment that a planet locked spy would have any means of finding a world?
I can’t decide what’s the worst outcome about this show. That we will have to keep suffering through this slop every time we watch the entire MCU, or that we will have suffered through all this for no reason and this show will never be canon and we will never ever have to watch it again.
About Rhodey is the fact that he is shown to not have the damage from Civil War, he can still walk, I guess this is the only thing they get right. When the real Rhodey is saved, he has to be carried due to the damage he suffered as he couldn't walk without his aid.
The one scene that showed fury did nothing the entire time ruined marvel for me. It means everything marvel has done is meaningless and it also means that the actual avengers can and possibly are scrolls. You’ve spent also 2 decades building up one of the biggest franchises ever and that one scene ruined it all. Incredible failure and it’s such a mind boggling one
I think in a few decades time, Marvel MCU will be looked at as an example of how not to write a shared universe. The world is beyond destroyed at this point. Every film and TV series smashes a giant hole through their previous entry(s). And dear god if you were to watch the MCU in chronological order, you will be laughing at how badly put together it now is. The timeline will make no sense and you'll be asking how do we know nothing about any of this. Like watch Avengers and remember that through out it Nick has Skrulls on his side the entire time that he could make use of.
@@mr_jyggalag Of course because when they finally stop reshooting that new Captain America they'll reveal that Hydra are actually the good guys now... I wouldn't put it past Marvel.
14:09 Similar to when in Saving Private Ryan (because I really like the movie) Captain Miller shoots at the Tiger with his M1911 entirely knowing it will not work but just trying to give something to help in the battle.
My theory is that Samuel Jackson wanted this because he wanted to flex his acting skills with the emotional scenes and talk about racism and stuff, similar to how the first season of Picard was the way it was because that's what Patrick Stewart wanted.
Issue is people don't even have issues with characters undergoing massive changes, it's just about how it's done. Thor underwent a massive change yet people love him. There was no fair indication of Fury's change
I have the mcu all on 4k steelbook. From iron man to endgame. Minus captain marvel. I refuse to have a movie that destroys a cool line from winter soldier. Nick fury losing his eye to someone he trusted was neat, it shows why he was ok with project insight, he really didn’t trust anybody. Not lol kitty scratch. To me, fury id cool, i simply ignore CM and whatever came after endgame
44:00 What's so incredible about it? It's part of the standard playbook. "Always accuse the other side of doing the exact shady thing that you're doing right now at this very moment." That way, when someone denies it and tries to turn the accusation back around in the direction it belongs, it automatically sounds childish and pathetic. It sounds (to the casual observer) like "Nuh uh! Not me! You!"
I think they need to bring in Nick Furry Sr, Old with super soldier serum. Make him like 100 years old but look 50-60, physically strong but have his real super power be his intellect (ie. marvel batman). Disney can make him white and still accuse anyone who has a problem with that of being racist against bi racial relationships, so its a win win for their ESG score.
Regarding the Slovakia quote, this has always been a pet peeve of mine. In the media, for the original purpose of brevity I imagine, they paraphrase "the Chinese government" to "China." This is also a shorthand the government military and foreign policy people use, so it makes sense that the reporters talking about it would use the same kind of lingo. The problem is, at some point, the public started (or always did) interpret this literally. Like, "Iran hates America." In the shorthand, this makes sense, but generalizing it gives the impression to the public that the Iranian public as a mass hates Americans. It's not really so much the marvel writer's fault, because expecting a probably relatively young writer to have diplomacy experience is not fair, but the writer is using the term in the bamboozled way the media insinuates to the public.
I've played the part about Nick Fury's wife's face probably 5 times since yesterday 😂 just how you all explain it with seasonings of bewilderment and exasperation. It's just enjoyable every time 😂 Thanks guys p.s. listening to it again as I type 😂
To be fair Disney ruined almost all of their characters. RDJ/Tony Stark is the only one that got away without a scratch, but they completely butchered Thor, Bruce Banner, etc.
Well, according to Fringy, Endgame did ruin Tony. By making Tony insist that the undoing of the snap isn't allowed to undo the 5 years that went by (because he doesn't want to risk losing his daughter), he made sure that the suffering and loss everyone went through isn't undone, all for his personal happiness. It's like the end of TLoU, except the damage to the wider population is infinitely more certain (and massive).
Ah, shit, I think I know what must've happened. Probably CTRL+Z'd a few too many times trying to recover another bit on the timeline and didn't go back to check. Sorry about that!
While IW was great, I'm confused why the "dusting" didn't happen all at once, everywhere. I guess it makes writing scenes easier and creating more drama, but without an explanation why Thanos built a "delay" into the snap, it took me out of the movie more than a little.
........This was my first time on Efap so no idea what ur talking about lol, and its chopped up from 10 hrs of conversation, so clearly wolf liked what I had to say if he chose those clips. I apologize for joining the discussion i dont know what i was thinking -_-
This comes off less to me them destroying the Samuel L Jackson Nick Fury but the White straight alpha male Fury of the comics. And Jackson is totally game for it which makes it all the more revolting. They tried to force him into the liar revealed trope and had to retcon so much to (not) pull it off.
I suppose we should be grateful they didn't give fury a kid just to make him a deadbeat dad. I'm sure they decided not to for story-related reasons, and certainly not... other reasons...
48:00 You would think that of all the characters they could ruin, Nick Fury wouldn’t be one of them. It makes it even worse when you realize that for a company they preaches SO MUCH about diversity, and having more black and brown led stories. And yet a story that has a black male lead, they then want to diminish that male lead and make him a loser.
I think it could be sumed up like this: Previous versions of Fury - written by competent, inteligent, sharp-minded writters who liked Fury This version of Fury - written by dumb, whiney, soft writers holding grudge toward all male role models with intent to tear them down Can’t see any more sense. And once again, the truth of “dumb person can’t write inteligent character” shows once more.
To be fair, they don't mean white men in the seen. They mean the white men with connections and whatever. It's not *JUST* skin colour, but it's really stupid. Regardless. Stupid writing.
Fury: "I was held back because I'm black"
Also Fury-> every achievement he has is because an alien pretended to be him
I'm pretty sure Talos was only him during Far From Home but I still get what you mean
@@The_Punisherif you think about It It makes more sense for talos to have been Fury during the Avengers movies because he seemed competent😂
@@The_Punisher Talos said that every achievement he's got is because of the Skrulls and he doesn't deny it
@@storysurgeon5922 The Skulls in general. Not through Talos pretending to be Nick. Skrull espionage would be an elite weapon in Nick Fury's arsenal
@animelytical8354 too bad it's not a weapon Fury uses, but a crutch Fury needed
This show proves the people making Marvel's "the next thing" have not seen "the previous things". Zero continuity within a franchise is a death knell, but in a shared Universe is unforgivable.
That's the problem that most anti woke morons and pro woke morons miss. The MCU was special because the movies were interconnected, not Just because there was keyjangling and random easter eggs here and there
Absolute disrespect for the projects as a whole and logical consistency as a concept.
"What's it even mean to have pride in your work"
Zero continuity within a franchise really isn't a problem, plenty of franchise's product are only linked in name and have zero continuity (Final Fantasy and Tales of serie comes to mind), the problem is with MCU being a shared universe.
Well no it’s even worse they knew enough about infinity war that they needed to recontextualize his moment before getting dusted.
@hinugundamB Consistency isn't just for in universe events connecting from point A-B. It's having consistent themes, personalities and subtext that relates to the character and their story. Once that is lost, you've fucked it.
Can't wait to find out that Tony was actually killed back in Iron Man 2 and replaced with a clay demon.
They would never do that...
...because they can't get Robert Downey Jr. back to do that.
Dont worry theyll just use AI
He was actually Mystique all along. Tony Stark died of a heart attack half way through Iron Man 1.
@@dylaxiusmccoy soo how does the kid work? Are we making her transformation powers REALLY good?
I find it hilarious how people write EFAP off as Alt-Right, but if they actually watch the show you get hour+ long highlights about things like "the cast is upset that a black character was obliterated by shitty writers."
Or how about being mad about Black Widow. Not because "women bad," but how the writers took a massive shit all over her character arc.
Those that hate simply never watched. Like that nothingbutmedia guy from organized chaos’ stream. I never saw him but i had a theory about him.
Seriously even wayyy back with mauler and wolf debating that kid on TLJ. The kid said don’t call me stupid, mauler simply said i never called you that? Its not about insults or whatever, its about good writing. Thats why i love the EFAP crew, they’ve helped show us how important writing is for film
You don't understand, they don't like a movie I like! That means they must be racists, sexists, and members of every religion I'm not a part of!
They are the racists that's why.... projection 🎉
Tbh hating bad writing is basically the definition of alt-right and has been since gamergate
Your logic makes me feel unsafe
Writers for Secret Invasion to Fury:
- your hair WACK
- your gear WACK
- your jewelry WACK
- your foot stance WACK
your way of talking WACK.
Your way that you don't even smile WACK.
Skrulls, are tight as FU-
- the way you talk WACK
- the way you don’t even like to smile WACK
- us? we TIGHT AS FUCK
- your skills WACK
- your experience WACK
- your personality WACK
- The way he doesn't even smile WACK
- Me? I'm tight as fuck! - Daenerys, probably
Your eye wack.
I dont think any of us had the death of both Will Smith and Sam L Jacksons coolness on our lists
At least Will Smith went out with a bang (well, a slap). Jackson is just squandering all of his goodwill with the audience without even making it interesting.
If you told me in the early 2000’s with the MIB movies, I’am legend and that movie he did with his kid that got him a Oscar, he was on top of the world, Sam was a fuckin action icon, now I genuinely don’t care about either and if I see them I don’t get excited like k would have when I was younger, and I’m not even out of my 20’s.
@ouchiegiverjr completely agree. They both had such massive respect from their audiences/fans... now they're all disappointed
Ive been saying that for years, Captain Marvel killed Fury as a character. Instead of a great tactical mind, hes a cheat.
I'd say Captain Marvel was the beginning of his assassination.
Let’s look at Captain Marvel’s curriculum vitae, shall we?
- Destroying Supreme Intelligence (which is technically Kree’s entire government) which led to genocide and civil war in Kree’s planet.
- Failing to keep her promise to the Skrulls about finding their new home but it’s fine because they blamed it all on Fury anyway.
- Saving Skrulls in the first place, considering they have a repeating track record of subverting the government of the other species (Kree and human) and trying to nuke the whole world.
- Abandoning Monica Rambeau for many decades because she’s a coward.
She's a goddamn psychopath with Godlike powers. She can fly through a sun and be only minorly inconvenienced.
And like modern female characters they get away from their consequences
She destroyed their society and killed their sun. Like wtf, Carol.
Which would've been fine storytelling wise, a chance to explore the seeming perfect hero through her biggest failings if the writers had even an ounce of awareness.
Luke, Joel, Batman, GOT characters and everyone else: Got character assassinated but at least, still have past accomplishments for us to cherish.
Nick Fury: His past, present and future was completely gone.
Reduced to atoms
I used the character to destroy the character
Though here's the question now, are there any characters that you can say that are still part of the Avengers that haven't had any damage done to them from Endgame till now? I'd say Spider-Man but that is even that's in the air whether he's still on the team.
@@mikzpwnz_3199I… do not think any of them are spared.
Thor is made into a “comedy” mockery.
Hulk is reduced to a powerless person whose actual traumas and suffering are compared to that of his useless cousin.
Iron Man has passed away, and we instead have a sub-par replacement in the second Black Panther film.
Guardians have disbanded, and reassembled into a different composition.
Characters such as Rhodey, Sam, Bucky, etc. are changed quite a lot or have their histories retconned, or are placed into Phases 4-5 with less than ideal writing and representation.
Black Widow is dead, and received a less than stellar film. Hawkeye has retired.
No one remains, really. Everyone is either dead, cast aside, or turned into a comedic relief.
Spiderman is… better than most. But considering all that has happened, I doubt that will last much longer.
@@viddykhaos2896 wow, they were all hit harder than phase 4/5 than they were with the snap. There's not even an Antman to help them build themselves back up as they got to him too. The only reason they haven't been completely obliterated is that the most powerful villain they could have been up against is as threatening as post TLJ Kylo Ren.
Guess that's the evidence you need to show how little thought or care went into the writing beyond just the overall agenda pushing that's present in all of this phase it's almost like that's the only concrete thing they had written down as the multiverse has contradicting explanations and there was no real unanimous movement towards an overarching story that phase 5 and phase 4 have no clear separation points.
This means for the MCU and marvel studios , is there an Avengers left to actually call on to reliably make money? The reason why they're not using that title is because if an Avengers movie bombs, there's no hope for a turnaround and the entire thing collapses.
I did a little research at work and found that he's also called "Nick" by Tony Stark in Avengers 1.
During the scene where him and Banner are trying to find the Tessaract using Loki's Scepter. Took like 2 minutes to find the quote.
They didn't even try lol
Edit: Tony also calls him "Nick" at the very start of Age of Ultron!
In Winter Soldier, Steve calls him "Nick" four times, and Black Widow calls him "Nick" twice during his fake out death.
Damn, can't believe the Avengers were full of Skrulls
Nickolicious Furious got the Jake Skycrawler treatment.
"Look at lil Oldman Senior. Wanna die?"
Isn't it so romantic how she refuses to murder her husband strictly out of contractual obligation?
Very romantic
Carol actually left earth because Nick called her the n-word and she didn’t know how to feel about it
You triggered a memory so I am randomly going to tell you about it. This happened to me once back in 2008. I was driving one evening with my window down and hit a red light. A limousine full of what I assume were sorority girls pulled up next to me with their windows down and one asked me if I knew where "Club Vogue" was. I said I didn't know, I don't go to nightclubs. There was a pause and then a different girl called me the N-word and they rolled the window back up. As a white man I was puzzled and remain so to this day.
That is a very interesting and effective story, that teaches us how random the world can be.
@@ScottishGremlin I hope someone can benefit from it somehow.
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Average Tana Mongue Encounter
@@nananamamana3591 I don't know who that is but she sounds pretty cool. As Michael Parenti always said, "never be afraid of a word."
The panel exposing that Fury's dusting flashback was retconned to make him sound more pathetic is the 2nd-best part of the stream, and it really is the crown jewel of his character assassination. Dismantling Nick's offscreen achievements is bad enough, but to actively rewrite scenes we've already seen to gaslight us makes the showrunners as much of a loser as they painted Nick as. I'd be mad if it wasn't so goddamn hilarious.
Also, please make a highlight of this show's final CGI fight. That arm is the stuff of legends.
Don’t be too hard on these writers. Assassinating legacy characters is their only joy in life.
If there’s one thing I don’t understand it’s why. Nick fury was an uber-competent black character. Why did a bunch of woke people make one of their chosen people not only incompetent now, but take away every achievement he had ever achieved. If this was Tony stark I could put 2 and 2 together, and it would equal 4. Right now my calculator is giving me a syntax error. Samuel Jackson is also sipping the kool aid so it wasn’t out of spite towards him like they did to Wasp. It just baffles me man.
Just being black isn't high enough on the progressive stack nowadays, he needs to be gay or trans or something as well to avoid this treatment
The emasculation of black men is a strange habit of hollywood.
@@supermcspotty"Not by destroying what we hate. But saving what we love."
Or, alternatively: "REYYYYYYYY!"
@sqwalnoc This deserves to be reiterated. I remember lurking leftie forums in the late 2010s, and one of the repeated subjects that came up was “cishet black males are the ‘straight white men’ of the marginalized community.” It’s all LGBT and women elevation all the time now, with brown men lined up to be thrown under the bus once they finally get done with tearing down whitey.
I'm sorry, I stopped watching Disney movies at DrSatMoM. What did they do to the Wasp?
As a big War Machine fan, I'm pretty upset they also felt the need to assassinate what little character he had in the MCU 🤬
it genuinely does piss me off that they did that. Rhodes never got a real chance to mainline, he was always either comic relief or the background-badass there to add more explosions to the fight. *_especially_* post-tony they could have had an interesting movie, series of movies, TV show, etc. where he is trying to keep doing work but can't actually improve or repair his suit(s) since he didn't invent the technology and isn't a tech-guy. I despise Riri as a character and concept, but, if you *_need_* to introduce her, why the hell didn't they have Rhodes find her to help maintain and improve his suits? I mean a much *_better_* idea would be to reveal that Tony made an AI for this case, *_like we already know he did for Peter,_* since then you're able to 'rhyme' with the original Iron Man movies where Tony was mostly alone but could bounce off of Jarvis and DUM-E for character interactions.
Rhodes is one of those characters that I'm really pissed has never gotten a fair shake because he has a ton of potential to drive excellent stories, but it requires taking him seriously for extended periods of time.
@robonator2945 Well said 👏 👍 👌
What pisses me off additionally is how they are pushing black characters and race swaps while they had a black character there the whole time! I would've LOVED a War Machine movie.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. Love war machine
I love the same subversion again and again
I love making beloved characters into losers
Blame George RR Martin. He started it all.
Is it the only joy in your life?
@@lordofthepizzapie9319You heard about sarcasm?
@@raggens You heard about the Boogie doc?
@@nont18411 You're not entirely wrong, but not quite right either. Yes, he started the trend, but it *became* a trend because of how Hollywood executives operate.
The Nolan Batman was popular? Quick, turn every superhero movie into dark, angry, brooding action movies!
Wait, the MCU is popular now? Quick, take our IPs and make them into an inter-connected universe, no matter how little sense it makes!
What, now the Guardians of the Galaxy is popular? Quick, make every superhero movie into campy, quippy comedies with a group of misfits!
The same thing happened to GoT as well, where the writing, the layered characters, and the themes were reduced to "Make everyone miserable, kill the characters people like, and put boobs in it (last one is optional)". Hollywood had always done this, it just became much more obvious in modern times, when the turn-over of a media fad is measured in years, instead of decades.
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Mediocre Alexander Pearce’s of the world. Wait you mean Robert Redford? The man who ran Hydra in WS and even orchestrated the Winter Soldier program in the Bucky flashback? That’s a mediocre man? Fuck me, what a clunky line.
He's mediocre because he was White and a National Socialist - because the writers can't fucking help themselves.
"Nick Fury is tired" "Peter Parker is tired"
That’s why Peter retired in a geriatric old age of 25 to let Miles takeover
In regards to Nick Fury's motivation to put together the Avengers about 15 minutes into this video, this isn't even up to interpretation or debate. His motivational speech to the Avengers to prompt them to act as a team and defeat Loki after suffering a defeat at his hands, in large part because of how uncoordinated and distrustful they were of each other (Loki's plan was based on not only unleashing the Hulk, but his opportunity to do that came from the Mind Stone making the Avengers argue with each other) literally goes like this:
Nick Fury has lost trust with the Avengers when they discover that S.H.I.E.L.D was using the Tesseract to develop highly-advanced weapons of mass destruction. His justification for this came in the earlier scene before Loki's attack and defeat of the Avengers. "Last year earth had a visitor with a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, we are hopelessly - _hilariously_ - outgunned." When Thor (the "grudge" of earth's visitor) responded with "My people want nothing but peace with your planet", Nick Fury snapped back "But you're not the only people out there, are you? _And_ you're not the only threat". In the scene after Loki's defeat of the Avengers where Nick Fury has to say something to motivate them all, he admits S.H.I.E.L.D's attempts to create weapons from the Tesseract, but then he adds this... "...But I never put all my chips on that number though because I was playing something even riskier..." and then comes the speech about the Avengers Initiative. "There was an idea...Stark knows this...to bring together a group of remarkable people, so that when we needed them to, they could fight the battles that we never could."
The Avengers was made to defend earth from threats Nick Fury couldn't. Literally no wiggle room
That line has really weird implications if Skrulls were around the whole time. How is having shapeshifters being outgunned? Why not tell the Avengers about them? Secret Invasion taints the whole franchise and retcons everything. 🤦🏽♀️
@@hope-cat4894 Not to Secret Invasion's credit, but Nick Fury keeps a lot of secrets from the Avengers. I mean, this very scene I referenced is literally _caused_ by the Avengers learning that Nick Fury kept a really important secret from them. Not only that, but he's not referring to shapeshifters when he says "We're hilariously outgunned". He specifically mentions the Destroyer that Loki sent to earth in the first Thor movie, and that think literally has a massive head-laser that explodes buildings and seems to be mostly immune to small-arms fire
Everyone: What happened to Nick Fury's Sauce?
Disney: Gone, reduced to atoms.
I'm shocked Disney isn't sweeping phase 4 under the rug by saying various movies happen "in other universes"
Hell, this is supposedly the "multiverse saga" and yet we just stay in this one universe, barring MoM, NWH, and Loki. But those are either heavily tied to the main universe, or directly take place or are directly influenced by the main universe.
Even then, Marvels directly contradict this by having the Skrulls living on another world (iirc anyway, I'll be fair and admit I may be misremembering that)
14:03-14:10 Like Joker said in TDK, "In their last moments, people will show you who they really are."
Nick had the Skrull and their tech since 1995 and still got blindsided by HYDRA in 2014.
Let that sink in.
The Winter Soldier was a better Secret Invasion than Secret Invasion
The total annihilation of a character is what this show should be called. NIck Fury in avengers is literally the guy with a plan for everything, however, he hopes that the avengers will rise above their issues and come together to save the world. In this show his character is totally destroyed on multiple levels, it is not even to the point of a parody. It is spiteful hatred of the character and what they stood for.
This ruined Nick Fury more than Rags ruining grandma
Marvel Studio's Presents: Fury's Annihilation
Secret Invasion introduces the MCU's Perfect Cell, as well as deconstructing a powerful spymaster like Nick Fury and making the entire Earth justified in hating Skrulls and other aliens that are on and could come to Earth.
Now if only she could go out like Perfect Cell.
The difference is Cell is still loved while Gaia will just forever live on as an embarrassing meme. #ripToriyama
@@austin9568AuraMasterDXWe can only hope Spidey is the Gohan in this comparison. But knowing these shlocks, it's gonna be RyyRyy Wyllyams.
Monica and Kamala's the Cell Jrs, so it can't be them.
EDIT: My brain dumb. I thought Cell was Plank in this metaphor, not Mrs. Arm Cruncher. At least Kamala would make a lick of sense as Gohan, but hopefully Plank becomes collateral first.
@austin9568AuraMasterDX That would require her to be defeated by, God forbid, a strong male character - something Disney can't make anymore.
@@austin9568AuraMasterDX Killed by an eleven-year-old after his dad blew up God and a monkey?
As far as I'm concerned this show isn't cannon. Fury didn't have skrulls do all of his work for him. He didn't marry a skrull who took the identity of some weirdo. And the Rhodey that watched Tony die was not a f**king skrull.
"I think that the problem with the show is its existence."
You can stop right there fringoid.
What in the hell did Maria Hill do after the blip?? She just took it in stride and then did fuck all?
Man, this EFAP was 10hs long. Condensing it into an hour video is good shit. Thanks, Wolf.
The problem with Secret invasion is it really should have been a saga in the MCU
That's how it was in the comics too which is how it worked and they fucked it
THE problem?
@@Zepher0987 there are obviously other problems thag are bigger than them trying to cram an actual saga to. Mini series
Jackson lost all of my respect years ago when he was whining about Trump and said “My cousin is disabled so the taxpayer needs to provide for him!” Bastard, you’re insanely wealthy. Why do you want others to provide for him rather than helping your own family?
“Spooks” was the slur for Vetkong.
pretty sure that was gooks, but i'm not up to date with my racisms
Just replace Skrulls with Romulans and Fury with Picard and you have one of the many plot lines from Picard series 1. What a terrible series. Oh, they also did the deconstruction rubbish with Picard as well.
Fuck that, we can replace "Skrulls" with "Illegal Immigrants" and the plot becomes even more fucking apparent.
Creatures coming into our country illegally and are destabilizing the country from multiple levels? What did Disney mean by this?
23:54 Honestly, these writers have the object permanence sense of infants when it comes to prior world events. Loki’s scepter/the Mind stone is another forgotten item that should be common knowledge to governments (if it weren’t, Hawkeye and Selvig should have been facing serious consequences for ‘helping’ Loki). They should know that there are means of so perfectly and instantly subverting a person’s free will without losing any of their skills, knowledge, or mannerisms.
"Wingardium Skrulliosa!!"
If I wanted to watch a washed up secret agent get berated by everyone around him Id just watch skyfall
I never watched captain marvel, or secret invasion, but why would a human whose people have never been to the next planet over promise to find aliens a world, and why would aliens believe for a moment that a planet locked spy would have any means of finding a world?
Carol's the one that promised and she can traverse the universe with ease. I have no idea why they blame Fury.
Samuel Jackson puts his character of Zeus in Die Hard 3 over Jules in Pulp Fiction because the former brought him more money.
What?
I can’t decide what’s the worst outcome about this show. That we will have to keep suffering through this slop every time we watch the entire MCU, or that we will have suffered through all this for no reason and this show will never be canon and we will never ever have to watch it again.
I don't think many people will rewatch the MCU post-Endgame.
@@stbr68 I don't even want to rewatch all of the mcu pre endgame. A lot of it was mediocre.
About Rhodey is the fact that he is shown to not have the damage from Civil War, he can still walk, I guess this is the only thing they get right. When the real Rhodey is saved, he has to be carried due to the damage he suffered as he couldn't walk without his aid.
The one scene that showed fury did nothing the entire time ruined marvel for me. It means everything marvel has done is meaningless and it also means that the actual avengers can and possibly are scrolls. You’ve spent also 2 decades building up one of the biggest franchises ever and that one scene ruined it all. Incredible failure and it’s such a mind boggling one
Great Choice of Thumbnail. Could also have been Sad Pepe sitting in a puddle.
I think in a few decades time, Marvel MCU will be looked at as an example of how not to write a shared universe. The world is beyond destroyed at this point. Every film and TV series smashes a giant hole through their previous entry(s). And dear god if you were to watch the MCU in chronological order, you will be laughing at how badly put together it now is. The timeline will make no sense and you'll be asking how do we know nothing about any of this. Like watch Avengers and remember that through out it Nick has Skrulls on his side the entire time that he could make use of.
Remember the time when Nick Fury was fooled by Hydra? I suppose it was going according to skrulls' plans.
@@mr_jyggalag Of course because when they finally stop reshooting that new Captain America they'll reveal that Hydra are actually the good guys now... I wouldn't put it past Marvel.
Nick No-Fury
Nick Sorrow
14:09
Similar to when in Saving Private Ryan (because I really like the movie) Captain Miller shoots at the Tiger with his M1911 entirely knowing it will not work but just trying to give something to help in the battle.
My theory is that Samuel Jackson wanted this because he wanted to flex his acting skills with the emotional scenes and talk about racism and stuff, similar to how the first season of Picard was the way it was because that's what Patrick Stewart wanted.
31:10
I feel mildly ill after hearing that…wow.
40:00 Captain America calls him Nick in Winter Soldier.
Issue is people don't even have issues with characters undergoing massive changes, it's just about how it's done. Thor underwent a massive change yet people love him. There was no fair indication of Fury's change
So… this show cements that Captain Marvel is, in fact, the villain of her own movie.
Samuel L Jackson is a great actor. Can Disney let him go please so we can see him in some real movies?
Yo whoever is editing these , you arent getting paid enough. good yard
Hey Wolf, just wanted to thank you for doing these clips. They help me get through work everyday😁
I have the mcu all on 4k steelbook. From iron man to endgame. Minus captain marvel. I refuse to have a movie that destroys a cool line from winter soldier. Nick fury losing his eye to someone he trusted was neat, it shows why he was ok with project insight, he really didn’t trust anybody. Not lol kitty scratch. To me, fury id cool, i simply ignore CM and whatever came after endgame
Wolf is not putting these out fast enough. What does he want us to do? Watch the entire EFAP? 😅
5:45 bro casually drops the N word 😂😂
Well, naturally the budget ballooned once they hired canadian superstar Robin Sparkles, duh!
44:00 What's so incredible about it? It's part of the standard playbook. "Always accuse the other side of doing the exact shady thing that you're doing right now at this very moment."
That way, when someone denies it and tries to turn the accusation back around in the direction it belongs, it automatically sounds childish and pathetic. It sounds (to the casual observer) like "Nuh uh! Not me! You!"
I think they need to bring in Nick Furry Sr, Old with super soldier serum. Make him like 100 years old but look 50-60, physically strong but have his real super power be his intellect (ie. marvel batman). Disney can make him white and still accuse anyone who has a problem with that of being racist against bi racial relationships, so its a win win for their ESG score.
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Godzilla Minus One was personal.
BLACK GIRL MAGIC!
I just wonder why the writers thought this would be a good idea after seeing the backlash from this kind of stuff happening to other characters.
Can you imagine the chaos they would inflict if it was the white Nick Fury?
Regarding the Slovakia quote, this has always been a pet peeve of mine. In the media, for the original purpose of brevity I imagine, they paraphrase "the Chinese government" to "China." This is also a shorthand the government military and foreign policy people use, so it makes sense that the reporters talking about it would use the same kind of lingo. The problem is, at some point, the public started (or always did) interpret this literally. Like, "Iran hates America." In the shorthand, this makes sense, but generalizing it gives the impression to the public that the Iranian public as a mass hates Americans. It's not really so much the marvel writer's fault, because expecting a probably relatively young writer to have diplomacy experience is not fair, but the writer is using the term in the bamboozled way the media insinuates to the public.
Wolf I love these highlights. You're the fucking bomb and hope you're doing good
I've played the part about Nick Fury's wife's face probably 5 times since yesterday 😂 just how you all explain it with seasonings of bewilderment and exasperation. It's just enjoyable every time 😂 Thanks guys
p.s. listening to it again as I type 😂
To be fair Disney ruined almost all of their characters. RDJ/Tony Stark is the only one that got away without a scratch, but they completely butchered Thor, Bruce Banner, etc.
The only reason Stark got away was because he died.
Well, according to Fringy, Endgame did ruin Tony. By making Tony insist that the undoing of the snap isn't allowed to undo the 5 years that went by (because he doesn't want to risk losing his daughter), he made sure that the suffering and loss everyone went through isn't undone, all for his personal happiness.
It's like the end of TLoU, except the damage to the wider population is infinitely more certain (and massive).
@@charlesruteal9062Yeah, people forget Tony got assassinated too.
Hi Wolf!
When was Wolf last episode?
11:35
Mauler be like >:)
The skrull empire is not a place, it is its people
"you must not hurt nick fury"
did they break that promise every time they had sex?
I still say Redford should have been Fury.
Evil Rhodie be like: "racism bad"
Wolf, assuming you edited this, so I just wanted to point out an error, in that the timestamp keeps saying 2:19:07
Ah, shit, I think I know what must've happened. Probably CTRL+Z'd a few too many times trying to recover another bit on the timeline and didn't go back to check. Sorry about that!
it's fine, shit happens
love having you back doing stuff for the show :) hope you're doing well@@EFAPHighlights
0:18 invasTion
While IW was great, I'm confused why the "dusting" didn't happen all at once, everywhere. I guess it makes writing scenes easier and creating more drama, but without an explanation why Thanos built a "delay" into the snap, it took me out of the movie more than a little.
This must be some personal grudge, there's no way they went so out of their way to do this to Fury. He's not assasinated, he's downrlight eliminated
Ah, this reminds me how Brooks just couldn't shut his fucking mouth and let other people talk in his earlier appearances.
........This was my first time on Efap so no idea what ur talking about lol, and its chopped up from 10 hrs of conversation, so clearly wolf liked what I had to say if he chose those clips. I apologize for joining the discussion i dont know what i was thinking -_-
They basically made Fury, "affirmative action" Nick. In a show meant to be pro diversity. That's how oblivious Disney writers are 😂
The friend is most-likely Fury's old wife?
Uh oh
This comes off less to me them destroying the Samuel L Jackson Nick Fury but the White straight alpha male Fury of the comics.
And Jackson is totally game for it which makes it all the more revolting.
They tried to force him into the liar revealed trope and had to retcon so much to (not) pull it off.
I suppose we should be grateful they didn't give fury a kid just to make him a deadbeat dad. I'm sure they decided not to for story-related reasons, and certainly not... other reasons...
48:00 You would think that of all the characters they could ruin, Nick Fury wouldn’t be one of them. It makes it even worse when you realize that for a company they preaches SO MUCH about diversity, and having more black and brown led stories. And yet a story that has a black male lead, they then want to diminish that male lead and make him a loser.
I think it could be sumed up like this:
Previous versions of Fury - written by competent, inteligent, sharp-minded writters who liked Fury
This version of Fury - written by dumb, whiney, soft writers holding grudge toward all male role models with intent to tear them down
Can’t see any more sense. And once again, the truth of “dumb person can’t write inteligent character” shows once more.
32:24 White man bad 🙄🙄
What are train wreck
I like jlongbone but her lower rate of speaking with their random ass profile pics always makes me wonder who the heck they are.
All fringy does it repeat everything. Is it a bad meme?
How they ruined Nick fury? They made him black and modelled him after the actor in the comics Samuel Jackson
To be fair, they don't mean white men in the seen. They mean the white men with connections and whatever.
It's not *JUST* skin colour, but it's really stupid. Regardless. Stupid writing.
Does the show ever talk about how long Fury was a Skrull? That twist ending from Far From Home seemed pretty important at the time
They wasted no time or opportunity making Fury pathetic in Secret Invasion.
They ruined Maria Hill too.