Drove a many number of these between 2005 and 2014. If they were not well taken care of (which was the case where I worked) they ran like crap and smoked like crazy. Always felt sorry for people behind these buses. For several years we had about half of these models and half of the older International models (I believe 2002 model years). When the temp dipped below 20 degrees the newer models were very hard to start. The older ones hardly ever had problems unless the batteries were weak. (Our lot did not have electricity for the block heaters). It just goes to show that the more unnecessary crap they put on these engines the more trouble you will have with them.
@Lucas White Not the full size ones. They actually rode pretty nice for the most part. The shorties (used more the special needs routes) were very bouncy. Especially when empty.
Our buses have air doors even the older buses on the International chassis. I worked at Durham School Services here in Lubbock from 2007 to 2011, I've recently gone back which the school district bought new buses since I've left & came back which they bought many C-2 Thomas Ssfe-T-Liners big buses as handicapped/special needs plus have IC buses like this one. Thank you for sharing!
During the 62-63 school year I rode a 57 International A160 with a ward body completely manual everything including a non synchromesh 5-speed transmission. It did have 8-ways, but no crossing arm or stop sign back then. The next year I had a 56 International with a Thomas body. The Ward body was nicer. Superior also made a nice bus body back in those days.
The parking brake is a spring applied, hydraulic released (SAHR) brake system. It's electronically controlled with the dash-mounted switch and will apply automatically when the ignition is switched off and the parking brake is not set. Yes it uses a cable and in case the brake will not release, you can cut the cable if all else fails, just chock your wheels until you can get the parking brake fixed. The complexity made the parking brake unreliable and they have now switched back to pedal parking brakes with interlocked hand release tabs.
Its actually a bit more simple. I drove a 2008 IC CE300 with the DT466E, using the same brake. The switch is the yellow control (Electronic), and it leads to a solenoid (Wether electric or hydraulic, I dont know) that is attached to the drivers side framerail. The solenoid is attached to a cable that runs to the parking brake drum on the driveshaft, where it meets the rear differential. I never had a problem with them (Except when the bus ran out of battery power or the alternator was bad and you couldn't release it. then you had to cut the cable.)
@@josephbugaj8149 That solenoid would be the parking brake actuator. When you release the parking brake, the brake system sends anywhere from 1,200 to 2,000psi of hydraulic pressure to the SAHR parking brake.
Our district switched from Blue Birds in 2000 to Internationals in 2001. We thought it was so cool to get the new buses that looked totally different from the others. These 2001 buses has the International Trucks emblem on the front, but the next time we got new buses in 2004, they had the IC Bus "I" logo.
I start one of these up every morning except mine's an '09! :-) We still have one of these in the fleet, but it's getting tired and breaking down a lot. I think this will be its last year. :-(
Back in 05 my school district didn’t have these yet they still had some Thomas 3800 International and a couple of new 04 IC CE 200 T444E and the rest were S series International buses they didn’t get theses until 09
Maxxforce was International's own. That's a Detroit. I have driven a Maxxforce bus, and it sounded very cranky under load. Nice under the hood, though.
a federal scrappage program for School Busses, as your other video said you have to drill a hole in the engine block and cut the chassis to make it not usable. unlike the CARS aka Cash for Clunkers they did then they were required to seize the engine by draining the oil and putting a sodium silicate solution liquid glass and run the engine till it locks up. im guessing for your school busses its much different. as IC its based on the Durastar medium duty truck chassis they have a DT466E i believe the T444E VT360 engines. as today the IC busses like these are only offered with a Cummins ISB 6.7 engine as i believe its part of the diesel exhaust emissions the new school busses must meet. the new Blue Bird Vision has a Propane and a gasoline engine options a Ford Triton V10 Roush Clean Tech engine. the 6.7 Cummins ISB is still available. as modern diesels have to meet emission standards all will have a Diesel Exhaust Fluid tank, Catalytic Converter, and Diesel Particulate Filter. As for some time International Offered the IC busses with the Maxxforce engines. some has Alcoa alunimum wheels on them instead of the steel budd wheels. As IC it was ward at first, then it was AmTran and are made in the Tulsa OK plant where in WWII that plant was part of the Douglas Aircraft Company building under contract with Consolidated Aircraft to make the Consolidated B-24 Liberator 4 engine strategic bomber and some Pb4y Privateers. the 3800 chassis according to Txstreetman can be interchanged with the earlier S series chassis.
Not all school buses haded to be crushed its the ones that were in poor condition that needed to go. Most of the ones that were in great conditions after they were disabled there were rebuild and put back together and resell for more than what its worth. This was all done by the Democrats of Illinois. Those democrats had no business touching those old buses in the 1st place. As of today you will not see them on the road like you did last year or year before. Most of the ones that were in great condition were rewelded and put new engines in them so people will sell them for more then what its worth.
if I am not mistaken.. under the program that buses under the program must be taken out of the service when it reaches its 15th year regardless of condition or mechanical sound it is .. they had to have engines pulled which companies can or may be able to use to replace engines on buses that are still in service fails.. but other than that.. the entire bus has to be scrapped and cannot be sold for parts or sold to private sellers.. which I felt was wrong for a 15 year old bus that has lots of life left.. in it but its almost same as a cash for clunkers or push pull and trade for new fuel efficient cars back in 2008 federal program and new owners of those cars must keep the cars a miinimum of 8 years before trading in also on the no child left behind was set up for driver's to check to make sure that no child is left on board after last drop off by checking each seat tothe back of the bus.. now some had a button above the top left rear side window you had to push.. this would flash the dome lights and then you walk back to the front of the bus again to shut off system ..
We had a drive leave a kid on the bus even with the no child left behind feature, bu it was in the dark after a 5:30 activity run. On internationals you lift the handle. On Thomas you push the button. Newer Internationals have the button set up, too.
According to the build sticker in the cab of the bus it says “DATE OF MANUFACTURE 12 MO. 05 YR.” which means this bus was built in December 2005, this bus would be a 2006 model year to be correct.
Drove a many number of these between 2005 and 2014. If they were not well taken care of (which was the case where I worked) they ran like crap and smoked like crazy. Always felt sorry for people behind these buses.
For several years we had about half of these models and half of the older International models (I believe 2002 model years). When the temp dipped below 20 degrees the newer models were very hard to start. The older ones hardly ever had problems unless the batteries were weak. (Our lot did not have electricity for the block heaters).
It just goes to show that the more unnecessary crap they put on these engines the more trouble you will have with them.
@Lucas White Not the full size ones. They actually rode pretty nice for the most part. The shorties (used more the special needs routes) were very bouncy. Especially when empty.
Our buses have air doors even the older buses on the International chassis. I worked at Durham School Services here in Lubbock from 2007 to 2011, I've recently gone back which the school district bought new buses since I've left & came back which they bought many C-2 Thomas Ssfe-T-Liners big buses as handicapped/special needs plus have IC buses like this one. Thank you for sharing!
During the 62-63 school year I rode a 57 International A160 with a ward body completely manual everything including a non synchromesh 5-speed transmission. It did have 8-ways, but no crossing arm or stop sign back then. The next year I had a 56 International with a Thomas body. The Ward body was nicer. Superior also made a nice bus body back in those days.
The kind of transmission that requires double-clutching
That’s a hella clean bus...hate to see it go
You could get a Bluebird with the 3300 (CE) chassis up to model year 2008, although they weren't very common.
The parking brake is a spring applied, hydraulic released (SAHR) brake system. It's electronically controlled with the dash-mounted switch and will apply automatically when the ignition is switched off and the parking brake is not set. Yes it uses a cable and in case the brake will not release, you can cut the cable if all else fails, just chock your wheels until you can get the parking brake fixed. The complexity made the parking brake unreliable and they have now switched back to pedal parking brakes with interlocked hand release tabs.
Its actually a bit more simple. I drove a 2008 IC CE300 with the DT466E, using the same brake. The switch is the yellow control (Electronic), and it leads to a solenoid (Wether electric or hydraulic, I dont know) that is attached to the drivers side framerail. The solenoid is attached to a cable that runs to the parking brake drum on the driveshaft, where it meets the rear differential. I never had a problem with them (Except when the bus ran out of battery power or the alternator was bad and you couldn't release it. then you had to cut the cable.)
@@josephbugaj8149 That solenoid would be the parking brake actuator. When you release the parking brake, the brake system sends anywhere from 1,200 to 2,000psi of hydraulic pressure to the SAHR parking brake.
I rode in an 03 IC when I was in Kindergarten, it was also the maiden voyage for the bus and smelled brand new
Ian which bus could see fan spinning under the wheel well
i remember bookmarking a video of a 2005 bluebird international ce 300 cold starting. it might of been 2006 i dont recall but i know they existed.
She looks pretty good for an 05.
This is a 2nd Gen IC CE if im not mistaken the first ones were in 2001 (when they actually one with the body manufacturing and chassis)
Our district switched from Blue Birds in 2000 to Internationals in 2001. We thought it was so cool to get the new buses that looked totally different from the others. These 2001 buses has the International Trucks emblem on the front, but the next time we got new buses in 2004, they had the IC Bus "I" logo.
Kevonye Bennett back in 2001 to 04 they still used the amtran style body’s
I was in 5th grade that year and road that same type of bus. Brand new she was.
I remember I think in the 6th grade when we had one of these. It was brand new!
Awesome Video!
I start one of these up every morning except mine's an '09! :-) We still have one of these in the fleet, but it's getting tired and breaking down a lot. I think this will be its last year. :-(
Cool and you rev the engine, and still found that bus
Back in 05 my school district didn’t have these yet they still had some Thomas 3800 International and a couple of new 04 IC CE 200 T444E and the rest were S series International buses they didn’t get theses until 09
Norwich Public Schools has this bus when I was 6 and 7 years old. 091851 is an wheelchair ADA IC CE200.
I'm the same way, they still have the Ward look to them.
They have since changed the parking brake again. It is now a pedal like on a car.
Yeah, I know and it sucks.
It’s only for hydraulic though.
@@yoblades Thank god my district ain't cheap and buy Air Brakes.
7:40- I call them "imitation air brakes." I must say they're pretty expensive to maintain too!
I actually wonder if they,d be sold before scrap. I wouldn't mind getting one, especially for the floor space.
I wouldn't have one after 04 year, the emissions (DPF) ruined it all, longevity went bye bye after that.
Looks brand new
One question if you had all the buses you own personally how many would you have if you kept ever single us you had
That's a HUGE camera.
What about the vt365? Are they also part of the grant?
the thing with that is ward got taken over by amtran and then ic took over both in bout 2005 or so from what i can make out
This has to be a 2007. It was built in December of '05 + vin comes back as 2007
That bus is as old as me I was born in 05 it was made in 05 XD 6 months younger but still lol
Christopher Thomas and they still make them identical today
They do make them, but they’re different.
I WOULD LOVE 😍 TO HAVE A SCHOOL BUS 🚍 LIKE THAT I LOVE THEM❤❤
Ah yes, the sweet sound of Maxxforce DT.
Jayknowstheway it’s not a Maxxforce
You meant dt466
not a maxforce
Maxxforce was International's own. That's a Detroit. I have driven a Maxxforce bus, and it sounded very cranky under load. Nice under the hood, though.
IC an IC CE!
IC Integrated Coach/Chassis, or as I jokingly say It's Crap, LOL Somone once referred to IC as being the King of the low bids.
i ride an IC school bus when i ride to school and it has gray seats and it has a shorter starting time.
Pioneer transportation Corp.
Wow this design is older then I thought
Do u guys have air brake bus and do u work for this school company
a federal scrappage program for School Busses, as your other video said you have to drill a hole in the engine block and cut the chassis to make it not usable. unlike the CARS aka Cash for Clunkers they did then they were required to seize the engine by draining the oil and putting a sodium silicate solution liquid glass and run the engine till it locks up. im guessing for your school busses its much different. as IC its based on the Durastar medium duty truck chassis they have a DT466E i believe the T444E VT360 engines. as today the IC busses like these are only offered with a Cummins ISB 6.7 engine as i believe its part of the diesel exhaust emissions the new school busses must meet. the new Blue Bird Vision has a Propane and a gasoline engine options a Ford Triton V10 Roush Clean Tech engine. the 6.7 Cummins ISB is still available. as modern diesels have to meet emission standards all will have a Diesel Exhaust Fluid tank, Catalytic Converter, and Diesel Particulate Filter. As for some time International Offered the IC busses with the Maxxforce engines. some has Alcoa alunimum wheels on them instead of the steel budd wheels. As IC it was ward at first, then it was AmTran and are made in the Tulsa OK plant where in WWII that plant was part of the Douglas Aircraft Company building under contract with Consolidated Aircraft to make the Consolidated B-24 Liberator 4 engine strategic bomber and some Pb4y Privateers. the 3800 chassis according to Txstreetman can be interchanged with the earlier S series chassis.
Not all school buses haded to be crushed its the ones that were in poor condition that needed to go.
Most of the ones that were in great conditions after they were disabled there were rebuild and put back together and resell for more than what its worth.
This was all done by the Democrats of Illinois.
Those democrats had no business touching those old buses in the 1st place.
As of today you will not see them on the road like you did last year or year before.
Most of the ones that were in great condition were rewelded and put new engines in them so people will sell them for more then what its worth.
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Government loves to waste money. It's what they do best.
I agree@@1940limited
That's not the updated dash. The dashboards were updated with the 2008 models
if I am not mistaken.. under the program that buses under the program must be taken out of the service when it reaches its 15th year regardless of condition or mechanical sound it is .. they had to have engines pulled which companies can or may be able to use to replace engines on buses that are still in service fails.. but other than that.. the entire bus has to be scrapped and cannot be sold for parts or sold to private sellers.. which I felt was wrong for a 15 year old bus that has lots of life left.. in it but its almost same as a cash for clunkers or push pull and trade for new fuel efficient cars back in 2008 federal program and new owners of those cars must keep the cars a miinimum of 8 years before trading in also on the no child left behind was set up for driver's to check to make sure that no child is left on board after last drop off by checking each seat tothe back of the bus.. now some had a button above the top left rear side window you had to push.. this would flash the dome lights and then you walk back to the front of the bus again to shut off system ..
You're mistaken.
We had a drive leave a kid on the bus even with the no child left behind feature, bu it was in the dark after a 5:30 activity run. On internationals you lift the handle. On Thomas you push the button. Newer Internationals have the button set up, too.
AIR BRAKE JUST LIKE ON A 18 WHEELER
I wrote a flat nose bus back in 2005
IC stands for Integrated Coach
Wrong. Ic stands for international corporation
@@urielhernandezT150 nope
@@urielhernandezT150 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_Bus
Yes you dummy
9:09 Is that an IC AE series I see in the back?
It is a BE.
@@itigo23, it's a ce
Uriel Hernandez LOOK AT THE 3RD BUS IDIOT
Just like my 2009 ic ce. like a game?
Maxxforce DT? Do you know by any chance?
Jayknowstheway it’s not a Maxxforce. Those did not come out until a year or 2 later
I own Ic Ce in Louisiana
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2:15 Is that a AE in the back there?
Back there it's not an ae
The short ones are IC BEs
The ic ce used to look like the 3800
That date build said 2002? Or 2004
According to the build sticker in the cab of the bus it says “DATE OF MANUFACTURE 12 MO. 05 YR.” which means this bus was built in December 2005, this bus would be a 2006 model year to be correct.
You can tell the ic ice is a international durostar from international the truck company that owns ic
Durastar is spelled incorrectly
It’s pretty clean for an 05 even though this generation of International buses is my least favorite I prefer the ole 3000 series
I ilke school bus ic ce
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my bus is a 2011 IC
Ce, fe, or re
TIMRISNERTHY
Only in America they will keep replacing good working anything! I'm ashamed of my government. These buses have much more life to them.
A ic ce
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