I've trained in over half a dozen different martial arts during my life. I was fortunate that Kyuokushin was the very first one, which established my initial core principles and habits. The other styles I tried included other Karates like Shotokan. Those traditional clowns really have no clue just how brutally efficient of a style Kyuokushin is. After trying those other styles I decided F*ck it, nothing else works, and I went back to Kyuokushin which I train in to this day. They train EVERYTHING. Strength, speed, agility, footwork, tactics. The instructors know, and say, that if you don't have a strong body you will get injured in that style, so they MAKE you have a strong body; the excercises they put you through just as the warmup hit every bloody muscle in your body head to toe, THOROUGHLY. Everything is efficient and PRACTICED, again and again, in katas, drills, bagwork and full on sparring. And you don't even have to be that big to be effective at it. In my class right now there's a mere 13 year old girl, 5'2", barely 100lbs soaking wet, yet her kicks are so brutal she will take your damn head off if you don't pay attention (and I'm 6'2" 270lbs, I pay VERY close attention to her legs whenever we spar)
@@hamza_hasnat_hbk No, it's not late at all. Somebody I know started it when he was 35 and he did (is doing) so well he's already a 4th Dan. Just go for it and enjoy it 😊
I think contact sparing is a pretty big component to effective training. It looked like the Chinese crew never trained with contact. They threw strikes outside of effective range. That dragon tail sweep in the first match was telling. It landed, but was slightly out of range and had no power behind it. As if the technique had never been used to actually sweep anybody. The fighter wasn't utilizing kinetic chain well. The kyokushin fighter made good use of his kinetic chain. It was apparent he was used to something a little more harsh than playing tag. Pain is a powerful motivator.
They were appreciating that drunken kungfu guy by saying that he was very light and many hits he absorbed by his movements. This shows how polite Japanese people are. They don't directly mock anyone. But I bet that everybody is going to laugh in the dressing room....lol
You know what? He tried it and was respectful. He didn't complain about getting hurt and he tried his best to incorporate Drunken Fist into a fight. I hope he becomes a better fighter
The first step to realism is cross-training and sparring with noncompliant partners. Masutatsu Ōyama (the founder of Kyokushin Karate) lived this philosophy and his studends benefit from it to this day.
Well said.. any martial arts which make claims of combative legitimacy should be held to this standard. We need more organizations in place to stop scam artists and other undesirables in the martial arts sphere. Systems which are for self preservation should be direct and proven to be as such, others that are more for exercise and philosophical stuff should be clear as well.
@@miya6008 This is a late response, but I came to despise the term "Martial Arts". The sheer hubris of describing a fighting system as an "Art" is irksome to me. Very few fighting systems are complete, and most offer a solution to a limited range of problems. All have strengths and weaknesses and some, like Aikido, are simply esoteric explorations of a very specific set of interactions that can occur within combat, and consequently useless on their own.
I cant see Kyokushin, maybe the drunken fist guys wanted to redeem there system and foolishly challenged a style that has a reputation for toughness...…didn't work though.
@@michaelangelocostello2599 The real japanese art is jujiutsu and judo since in ancient japan most people would fight using bladed weapons and, grappling and takedowns are more effective way to fight an armed and armored opponents while being unarmed. Karate is okinawan, which was colonized by japan and became part of the nation, karate was introduced to the main islands of japan in modern times and, evolved and other styles were made by mixing techniques from different martial arts.
“When one has reached maturity in the art, one will have a formless form. It is like ice dissolving in water. When one has no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style.” Bruce Lee
Actually I was kind of impressed with the movements of the drunken style guys. Obviously, it wasn't straightforward and practical like the Kyokushin fighters, which was shown pretty easily. Still, I think it could be interesting if the Kung Fu guys added hard and free sparring to their practice, which would initiate a much more efficient style of movement and attack (because they'd have to use what worked) and it might make something interesting. I don't know.
in a real streetfight and using kung fu the ridiculous posturing would not even come about ..the techniques would be direct and strong yet retaining the suppleness (the guy doing 'drunken' style was clearly way too supple) ..the directness is the strength of real kung fu (say wing chun for example) these kung fu guys were allowing the karate people time to 'set up' their uniform kicks ...a ridiculous spectacle really ...
Yea like the first guy caught 2 of the karate-ka’s kicks and then put them down (probably something to do with the rules of the match) and the second kung-fu guy got an elbow into the solar plexus which at full power would have fucked shit up, and I was impressed with how many kicks the kung-fu guy managed to avoid/block
De todo ésto, me quedo con el enorme respeto tanto de los competidores, como los de los Maestros! Que gran respeto y humildad! Eso deberíamos de aprender, antes de decir que estilo es mejor que otro!
They literally made an entire martial art around that concept, and i've seen people that are 100% devoted to it. It's just sad in some way... for it to actually work, you'll need training in some other things and you still will have a hard time fighting with some muay thai/kickboxing/mma fighters. So it's just a bit pointless :(
@@jestfullgremblim8002 it is sad because the whole purpose of that style (Simon yam or sam the seed) was to be able to do martial arts while under the influence of drink ...the guys attempting to practice it as a real art dont even touch a drop 😆
It's OK to practice traditional Kung-Fu but you just need to have "something" for real combat. Street fight is mostly box, grappling + low kicks. You need boxing guard, fast moving and strong low kicks. That's why Bruce Lee trained in traditional Wing Chun developed JKD. Still I have a great respect for martial artists keeping up traditional styles as a heritage. BTW - Kyokushin is not traditional Karate as well - it's kind of Japanese JKD designed by Oyama ;-)
@@piotrcwiertniewski4213 your analysis of Kyokushin is totally wrong. There are no techniques in Kyokushin derived from outside of Karate. Kyokushin is actually a combination of two ‘styles’ of Karate, the low grade syllabus contains mostly Shotokan karate kata and the high grade syllabus contains Goju karate Kata. This mirrors Oyama’s own path in karate as he started Shotokan and later moved to Goju. Oyama was also a judo dan grade, but none of this made it into the Kyokushin syllabus. There are no techniques in Kyokushin that can’t be found in other styles of karate. So Kyokushin is a blend of karate styles trained in a way that emphasises heavy conditioning and full contact contest.
@@darrenelliottfrancis I'm not an expert in Kyokushin Karate (I focus mostly on Chinese martial arts) so I'm pretty sure you are right. But I've never claimed that Kyokushin rejected traditional Karate forms - I only claimed that Masutatsu Oyama formed his own way, stating that it's better than traditional path. By traditional path I mean Gichin Funakoshi's karate derived directly from Okinawa. Oyama's approach includes thesis that kumite is vital element of martial arts. He also introduced iken inspired by wushu yiquan to develop mental strength (totaly outside of Karate). So I dare to risk a claim that Kyokushin Karate is kind of schism to traditional Karate represented by Funakoshi. Just like JKD to wing-chun. And the reasoning behind this schism was similar - make martial art more modern and applicable in real combat.
@@piotrcwiertniewski4213 it may be justifiable to call Shotokan ‘traditional’ Karate now, but at the point Funakoshi changed his art (by removing most of the grappling to please the Japanese as they already had grappling arts) this form of Karate was far from traditional. Other masters of the time were furious that Funakoshi was leaving the art incomplete. Karate was only named Karate in 1936! In origin Karate is a combination of White Crane, Five Ancestor and the now very rare Incense Shop boxing, often simplified from the originals and trained in a very different way by the Okinawans. Ikken is practiced very rarely in Kyokushin but you will see similar in older Okinawan styles like Uechi-Ryu. Much was lost in the transition of Karate to Japan, and Karate’s potential as an art to protect you in a real fight was substantially weakened by what what not brought from Okinawa. Oyama placed more emphasis on fighting and conditioning than his contemporary Japanese, but a similar amount to the earlier Okinawans who used this art to really fight! Had Oyama learnt the older Okinawan forms of the Karate Styles he studied then it’s possible Kyokushin would be a further different style.
So the karate guys were basically using their feet to comb the hair of the drunken kungfu fellas..lol. Anyway, the respectful and non-angry climate of this meeting is admirable.
@@MDRifat-yj1xx that's great, you play with pride,, lets not compare what is the best martial art,, cz every martial art has their specificly,, martial art will be great depends by right person who use it in the right way , , ,
1:11, Chinese guy: I shall analyze his movement use my drunken dragon fist Kokyushin guy: Dafuq this dude pausin for?, *Proceeds to kick him in the face*
أعظم دولة في العالم هي اليابان واجمل دولة هي اليابان وإدا أردت أن تتعلم القتال الحقيقي توجه إلي اليابان وأقوى فلسفة قتالية في العالم هي الكاراتية اليابانية بجميع أساليبها. ....تحية من قلبي الي اليابان
I think this was made during the peak of hongkong movies getting attention. Many people was getting attracted to the stunts and thinking that it would be nice to be a practitioner of it. This video basically discredit that claim. But i think for filming purposes it's still fun to watch it, kinda like wushu. As the motion is not centric with fist, kick and grapple. It applies some exhibition to make contact.
The guy who was using drunken fists focused too much on style over practical fighting styles. Bruce Lee : "flashy rehearsal routine lacks the ability to adapt".
Agreed! Form is good for training and art, but all martial artist must take techniques out of form and also learn how to fight in street combat to defend themselves.
I've been watching this video for over 10 years now and I always wondered, what does the japanese guy in 2:12 after the kung fu kid gets a kick in the face? Sounds like "jambó arikó!" Can any kind japanese help me?
I native Japanese but even I got confused it was difficult but! finally I found the answer using my headphone. The tricky part was Theres two persons voice overlapping in that part. Last part is the Ref saying “ zokkou!” 「続行」meaning “go on”or “continue on” so the girl responding “iyaiya”「イヤイヤ」meaning “no no no”. So she couldn’t believe that the ref said “continue the fight” after watching the guy getting kicked in the head so bad. And other reason is I found other part the ref saying the same word “hai zokkou!” in 1:24 after he had another hard hit. in boxing itll be like “fight!”or adding “hai” will be “Okay Fight!” And the first part witch seems to be the guy zoomed in(brown jacket) Everybody is surprised saying “ahh””woo” and the guy says”iya mou” witch means “noo this should be….” (stopped) they are worried about the kung-fu guys injury from the beginning. As a host of the show, he’s kinda worried it might turn out to be bloody torture show and some accident might happen. Over all those to persons voices are really similar so Even I thought first it was a one sentence. The answer is “iya mou” + “ zokkou!” and the “zo” part is hidden covered by the first one. And you mentioned you hear a “Ja”first and it does sounds like”Jya mou” but thats some other voice saying oohs and ahhs
One too many movie fantasies. Fact is, the drunken training forms were never meant to be used that way. You're NOT supposed to face an opponent like some drunken fool ! That's complete misunderstanding of what the 'drunken' aspect is all about. It is the same with guys who think that Praying Mantis style means you sway your hands when facing your opponent. Utter rubbish from movies.
@Joey Diaz shotokan kyoukushin wado ryu goju ryu, that's all karate with some slight difference, and no it depends on the person not the art. Imagine a karate practioner figjting a real kung fu drunken fist. It would depends on their qualities not the art their using, if one of them is hit in a vulneruble spot and can't continue that doesn't prove that one style is better than the other but instead that one person is better at fighting than the other, that ofcourse is with the rules etc.
@Joey Diaz i never said karate don't work, you didn't even understand what im trying to say do you? All of those "styles" are not a real style there's not much of a difference in them! Even their founder hate the term style
세계프로페셔널태권도연맹 온라인 태권도대회 안내 드립니다 온라인 태권도 대회 내용 채널 방문 후에 확인 하세요 World Professional Taekwondo Federation Online Taekwondo Competition Information Please check the contents of online Taekwondo contest after visiting Informazioni sulla competizione di Taekwondo online della World Professional Taekwondo Federation Si prega di controllare i contenuti del concorso di Taekwondo online dopo aver visitato il canale.
No offense, but they should have gotten Chinese Martial Artists that actually fight and not just perform. Then you would have seen the differences in the fighters versus non-fighters. There would have been very little to no wasted motions.
Kids commenting on youtube laughing about these guys have no idea what kind of clowns we had in this world pre-MMA. Actually all those who called themselves "martial artists" were more or less like these bozos. And in those days the real tough guys, like wrestlers, we're not even considered to be martial artist. How far we've come since 1985. Thank you MMA!
Skinnier, lighter, shorter, Drunken style guy who didn't know how to capitalize on leg traps and was more interested in Stylin it.. Second guy showing a different style was doing much better but they cut it short. Of the hundreds of Chinese Gung Fu styles, there are many, many that would fair better against Kyokushin
Why do y'all choose these non-fighters to compete with? You need to compete with a real Kung Fu practitioner, not a jokester. But, you like dancing with these frauds to make fake comparisons. Also, you have these rules that only allow kicks to the head, yet forbid strikes to the head with the hands and fist, which diminishes many hand/fist techniques used by true Kung Fu artists. So, yeah, if your kicking game is strong, with these pretty rules, you win. Expose your groin with these fancy high kicks to a real fighter as often as this guy did and see what a real martial artist would do to stop that.
If you want to know who is real martial artist just look no further than their forearms. When I studied Japanese Kendo and even Korean Hapkido, both my instructors had absolutely massive forearms compared to their height and weight. I don't know if this kungfu guy is just trolling or what but his arms are absolutely puny while the Karate guy has at least a decent sized frame. Kungfu guy looks like he never practiced hitting a punching bag in his life.
@@kagyu1 respect your opinion, but remember your siding with a particular style, which is Kyokushin karate, which is certainly very effective...but if you do your research, karate came from CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS
@@ShaneCrossley500 that doesn't change the fact that in the modern day it is much harder to find a kung fu school that teaches you how to fight than it is to find a kyokushin school that teaches you how to fight. Just because Karate originally came from China does not mean that chinese martial arts work. Don't get me wrong though, there are chinese martial arts that work. Sanda is a good example of this; however, the point still stands. most chinese martial arts do not work.
A bit of a misleading title. There's many martial arts styles from china. It would have been better to have kyokushin karate vs White Crane for example. 👍
I don’t think anyone understands how difficult it is to fight while acting drunk, while you’re sober. If he was a real alcoholic Kung-Fu master, the Kyokushin guy would have been destroyed. OOSSSS!😂
The problem with drunken style irl is the practitioners put themselves in unbalanced positions often as fully weighted on one leg, which makes them an easy target.
...Unpopular comment: What uniform/ Gi/ Clothing/ Training Fit, is the first drunken "Chinese Martial Arts practitioner" wearing? The full clothing including top half bottom half and white belt or strap. Thanks to whoever replies
This is more proof that traditional kung fu styles don't work in a real fight. I've known this for a long time, and other kung fu people know it too, they just HATE admitting it.
The drunken fist figther didn't drink enough before the fight
Yep, good opinion.
Lol.
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Agree with you.
He must drink at least 3 gallon of beer.
Better to figth on saturday nigth
The essence of the drunken fist. 😅 🤣
I have a better style than drunken fist...mine's drowning fist.
the kyokushin guys only use 5% of their power, they didn't want to kill the dancer.
agree with that
@Gea Sih . Yeah, If kyokushin allowed you to punch in the face I wouldn’t ever fight one of them.
1000% agreed
True
They both dont use their full power, becouse it is sparing etc.
Learning to fight by watching Kung Fu movies is like trying to learn to gunfight by watching John Wayne.
I practice kung fu and you are damn right , i watch movies 😂😂 but i train all the Time , my parents are worried by dint of training
No it's real, kung fu is practically useless against combat no matter what skill it is, it's the only movie magic
I've trained in over half a dozen different martial arts during my life. I was fortunate that Kyuokushin was the very first one, which established my initial core principles and habits. The other styles I tried included other Karates like Shotokan.
Those traditional clowns really have no clue just how brutally efficient of a style Kyuokushin is. After trying those other styles I decided F*ck it, nothing else works, and I went back to Kyuokushin which I train in to this day. They train EVERYTHING. Strength, speed, agility, footwork, tactics. The instructors know, and say, that if you don't have a strong body you will get injured in that style, so they MAKE you have a strong body; the excercises they put you through just as the warmup hit every bloody muscle in your body head to toe, THOROUGHLY. Everything is efficient and PRACTICED, again and again, in katas, drills, bagwork and full on sparring.
And you don't even have to be that big to be effective at it. In my class right now there's a mere 13 year old girl, 5'2", barely 100lbs soaking wet, yet her kicks are so brutal she will take your damn head off if you don't pay attention (and I'm 6'2" 270lbs, I pay VERY close attention to her legs whenever we spar)
Ugh, wish I did it earlier. Have injury on knee now and occasional gout so I think hard martial arts are off limit for me rn
Great analysis, Kyokushin is my first love but unfortunately there is no academy in our city. I am 22, is it too late to start learning Kyokushin
@@hamza_hasnat_hbk No, it's not late at all. Somebody I know started it when he was 35 and he did (is doing) so well he's already a 4th Dan. Just go for it and enjoy it 😊
@@hpm1014 thank you
I think contact sparing is a pretty big component to effective training.
It looked like the Chinese crew never trained with contact. They threw strikes outside of effective range.
That dragon tail sweep in the first match was telling. It landed, but was slightly out of range and had no power behind it. As if the technique had never been used to actually sweep anybody. The fighter wasn't utilizing kinetic chain well.
The kyokushin fighter made good use of his kinetic chain. It was apparent he was used to something a little more harsh than playing tag.
Pain is a powerful motivator.
They were appreciating that drunken kungfu guy by saying that he was very light and many hits he absorbed by his movements. This shows how polite Japanese people are. They don't directly mock anyone. But I bet that everybody is going to laugh in the dressing room....lol
Full contact no pads...it takes balls to get up and give it a shot.
To be fair the Drunken fist guy moved well but he lacked strength
That you don't know that this was fake is making me laugh
but srsly, that drunken fist guy has some good reflexes
@@lizyaboi._7652 Can you imagine how good they'd be if he stopped drinking?
You know what? He tried it and was respectful. He didn't complain about getting hurt and he tried his best to incorporate Drunken Fist into a fight. I hope he becomes a better fighter
The first step to realism is cross-training and sparring with noncompliant partners.
Masutatsu Ōyama (the founder of Kyokushin Karate) lived this philosophy and his studends benefit from it to this day.
Well said.. any martial arts which make claims of combative legitimacy should be held to this standard. We need more organizations in place to stop scam artists and other undesirables in the martial arts sphere. Systems which are for self preservation should be direct and proven to be as such, others that are more for exercise and philosophical stuff should be clear as well.
I try to make a distinction between Martial arts and what I call harmonic arts.
@@miya6008 This is a late response, but I came to despise the term "Martial Arts".
The sheer hubris of describing a fighting system as an "Art" is irksome to me.
Very few fighting systems are complete, and most offer a solution to a limited range of problems. All have strengths and weaknesses and some, like Aikido, are simply esoteric explorations of a very specific set of interactions that can occur within combat, and consequently useless on their own.
the kungfu guy was in sever disadvantage: no green screens and wires for flying allowed this time.
Exactly T_T
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
If it's a sanda fighter he could have kicked the karate guy's ass.
Lol
@@greatneos stfu
Kyokushin is not a joke. It was brutality
I was embarrassed for the Kyokushin fighters, having to face those clowns.
Yep right
So am I ....
why r they facing those clowns anyway..lol who do u think challenged😂
I cant see Kyokushin, maybe the drunken fist guys wanted to redeem there system and foolishly challenged a style that has a reputation for toughness...…didn't work though.
That is exactly what they want you to say and think. It was an acting to advertise karate.
When a guy who finished watching all Jackie Chan movie vs a guy who trains his whole lifetime
Kyokushin is violent and aggressive style of karatê. Very good.
this time japanese art win...not like in hongkong movies...hahahahahaha
Yep,movie and reality is sometimes different.
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Hongkong movies will have chinese wins, or losewith respect
in this video you have a real karate practioner, vs a fake kung fu student. This is not kung fu. These guy have not ideo aboout what real kung fu is
Well, in this japanese video, japanese martial arts are better, seems legit to defend your own culture
Also if you watch fist of the legend with jet li, you'll see that japanese and chinese are equal
Well, Kyokushin is basically a full contact fighting style. Kyokushin vs Sanda would've made more sense...
The Japanese would never admit it but their kicks started from savat and evolved using Taekwondo dynamic kicks.
@@michaelangelocostello2599 The real japanese art is jujiutsu and judo since in ancient japan most people would fight using bladed weapons and, grappling and takedowns are more effective way to fight an armed and armored opponents while being unarmed. Karate is okinawan, which was colonized by japan and became part of the nation, karate was introduced to the main islands of japan in modern times and, evolved and other styles were made by mixing techniques from different martial arts.
@@michaelangelocostello2599 no karate kick is from savate....
Or vs any school who does Kuoshu Leitai platform full contact fighting.
man that japanese lady @ 4:39 is god damn gorgeous.
“When one has reached maturity in the art, one will have a formless form. It is like ice dissolving in water. When one has no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style.” Bruce Lee
@@kakuto435????
lee is a real fighter, he is direct diciple of ip man..
1 inch punch is lee signature move
Bruce Lee is the most consistently overrated Martial Artist in the history of the planet.
Actually I was kind of impressed with the movements of the drunken style guys. Obviously, it wasn't straightforward and practical like the Kyokushin fighters, which was shown pretty easily. Still, I think it could be interesting if the Kung Fu guys added hard and free sparring to their practice, which would initiate a much more efficient style of movement and attack (because they'd have to use what worked) and it might make something interesting. I don't know.
in a real streetfight and using kung fu the ridiculous posturing would not even come about ..the techniques would be direct and strong yet retaining the suppleness (the guy doing 'drunken' style was clearly way too supple) ..the directness is the strength of real kung fu (say wing chun for example) these kung fu guys were allowing the karate people time to 'set up' their uniform kicks ...a ridiculous spectacle really ...
Yea like the first guy caught 2 of the karate-ka’s kicks and then put them down (probably something to do with the rules of the match) and the second kung-fu guy got an elbow into the solar plexus which at full power would have fucked shit up, and I was impressed with how many kicks the kung-fu guy managed to avoid/block
De todo ésto, me quedo con el enorme respeto tanto de los competidores, como los de los Maestros! Que gran respeto y humildad! Eso deberíamos de aprender, antes de decir que estilo es mejor que otro!
No mames, pajarito...
fueron a hacerse pegar al pedo
Looks like someone became obsessed with Jackie Chan's movie, Drunken Master
They literally made an entire martial art around that concept, and i've seen people that are 100% devoted to it. It's just sad in some way... for it to actually work, you'll need training in some other things and you still will have a hard time fighting with some muay thai/kickboxing/mma fighters. So it's just a bit pointless :(
@@jestfullgremblim8002 it is sad because the whole purpose of that style (Simon yam or sam the seed) was to be able to do martial arts while under the influence of drink ...the guys attempting to practice it as a real art dont even touch a drop 😆
This is why Bruce Lee created Jeet Kune Do. To steer people away from traditional Gung-fu to a more modern approach of being able to adapt.
It's OK to practice traditional Kung-Fu but you just need to have "something" for real combat. Street fight is mostly box, grappling + low kicks. You need boxing guard, fast moving and strong low kicks. That's why Bruce Lee trained in traditional Wing Chun developed JKD. Still I have a great respect for martial artists keeping up traditional styles as a heritage. BTW - Kyokushin is not traditional Karate as well - it's kind of Japanese JKD designed by Oyama ;-)
@@piotrcwiertniewski4213 your analysis of Kyokushin is totally wrong. There are no techniques in Kyokushin derived from outside of Karate.
Kyokushin is actually a combination of two ‘styles’ of Karate, the low grade syllabus contains mostly Shotokan karate kata and the high grade syllabus contains Goju karate Kata. This mirrors Oyama’s own path in karate as he started Shotokan and later moved to Goju. Oyama was also a judo dan grade, but none of this made it into the Kyokushin syllabus. There are no techniques in Kyokushin that can’t be found in other styles of karate. So Kyokushin is a blend of karate styles trained in a way that emphasises heavy conditioning and full contact contest.
@@piotrcwiertniewski4213 true!
@@darrenelliottfrancis I'm not an expert in Kyokushin Karate (I focus mostly on Chinese martial arts) so I'm pretty sure you are right. But I've never claimed that Kyokushin rejected traditional Karate forms - I only claimed that Masutatsu Oyama formed his own way, stating that it's better than traditional path. By traditional path I mean Gichin Funakoshi's karate derived directly from Okinawa. Oyama's approach includes thesis that kumite is vital element of martial arts. He also introduced iken inspired by wushu yiquan to develop mental strength (totaly outside of Karate). So I dare to risk a claim that Kyokushin Karate is kind of schism to traditional Karate represented by Funakoshi. Just like JKD to wing-chun. And the reasoning behind this schism was similar - make martial art more modern and applicable in real combat.
@@piotrcwiertniewski4213 it may be justifiable to call Shotokan ‘traditional’ Karate now, but at the point Funakoshi changed his art (by removing most of the grappling to please the Japanese as they already had grappling arts) this form of Karate was far from traditional. Other masters of the time were furious that Funakoshi was leaving the art incomplete. Karate was only named Karate in 1936! In origin Karate is a combination of White Crane, Five Ancestor and the now very rare Incense Shop boxing, often simplified from the originals and trained in a very different way by the Okinawans. Ikken is practiced very rarely in Kyokushin but you will see similar in older Okinawan styles like Uechi-Ryu.
Much was lost in the transition of Karate to Japan, and Karate’s potential as an art to protect you in a real fight was substantially weakened by what what not brought from Okinawa. Oyama placed more emphasis on fighting and conditioning than his contemporary Japanese, but a similar amount to the earlier Okinawans who used this art to really fight! Had Oyama learnt the older Okinawan forms of the Karate Styles he studied then it’s possible Kyokushin would be a further different style.
When you fight after watching Jackie Chan movies.😂😂😂😂
1:10
0:42 Loved that face
The kyokushin guys could have ko'd them blind fold.
So the karate guys were basically using their feet to comb the hair of the drunken kungfu fellas..lol. Anyway, the respectful and non-angry climate of this meeting is admirable.
I'm an taekwondo player, but i like the way Karate's fight, especially the kyokushin and shotokan . .
I am a kung fu fighter
I play south asian game also
Kung fu is the best
Bcz this is mother of all martial arts
Kalari paytu is mother of oll martial art from india.
@@MDRifat-yj1xx that's great, you play with pride,, lets not compare what is the best martial art,, cz every martial art has their specificly,, martial art will be great depends by right person who use it in the right way , , ,
@@chetanlal4335 i cant denied that,, kalarippayattu is one of the most old martial art,, but unfortunatelly, kalarippayattu is not exist in my place,,
@@chetanlal4335 bro you are wrong
Kalaripayattu is father of all martial art
1:11,
Chinese guy: I shall analyze his movement use my drunken dragon fist
Kokyushin guy: Dafuq this dude pausin for?, *Proceeds to kick him in the face*
Kyokushin vs stupid.. 😂
Lol,truth.,
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@@takumi7869 lol
True, let's the drunk be more drunk. Too much tales than real martial art.
@@human7491 they won't do shit either stfu and stop taking kung fu movies seriously u k pop shithead
Jeegu Nugger the fact that they like kpop has nothing to do with this lol
Great to see them comparing styles and exchange fighting styles
أعظم دولة في العالم هي اليابان واجمل دولة هي اليابان وإدا أردت أن تتعلم القتال الحقيقي توجه إلي اليابان وأقوى فلسفة قتالية في العالم هي الكاراتية اليابانية بجميع أساليبها. ....تحية من قلبي الي اليابان
I think this was made during the peak of hongkong movies getting attention. Many people was getting attracted to the stunts and thinking that it would be nice to be a practitioner of it. This video basically discredit that claim. But i think for filming purposes it's still fun to watch it, kinda like wushu. As the motion is not centric with fist, kick and grapple. It applies some exhibition to make contact.
The guy who was using drunken fists focused too much on style over practical fighting styles. Bruce Lee : "flashy rehearsal routine lacks the ability to adapt".
Kung fu has so much potential but the lack of emphasis on kumite always puts them at a disadvantage.
Agreed! Form is good for training and art, but all martial artist must take techniques out of form and also learn how to fight in street combat to defend themselves.
The drunken master got one too many bottles of sake.
right he just wasted his energy to make unnecessary moves
Kung Fu looks powerful in Matrix
Kyokusin is the real thing ...
Osu from Serbia
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I've been watching this video for over 10 years now and I always wondered, what does the japanese guy in 2:12 after the kung fu kid gets a kick in the face? Sounds like "jambó arikó!" Can any kind japanese help me?
I native Japanese but even I got confused it was difficult but! finally I found the answer using my headphone.
The tricky part was Theres two persons voice overlapping in that part.
Last part is the Ref saying “ zokkou!”
「続行」meaning “go on”or “continue on”
so the girl responding “iyaiya”「イヤイヤ」meaning “no no no”.
So she couldn’t believe that the ref
said “continue the fight” after watching the guy getting kicked in the head so bad.
And other reason is I found other part the ref saying the same word “hai zokkou!” in 1:24 after he had another hard hit. in boxing itll be like “fight!”or adding “hai” will be “Okay Fight!”
And the first part witch seems to be the guy zoomed in(brown jacket)
Everybody is surprised saying “ahh””woo” and the guy says”iya mou” witch means “noo this should be….” (stopped)
they are worried about the kung-fu guys injury from the beginning.
As a host of the show, he’s kinda worried it might turn out to be bloody torture show and some accident might happen.
Over all those to persons voices are really similar so Even I thought first
it was a one sentence.
The answer is “iya mou” + “ zokkou!” and the “zo” part is hidden
covered by the first one.
And you mentioned you hear a “Ja”first and it does sounds like”Jya mou” but thats some other voice saying oohs and ahhs
@@ひろぽん-c9x Well, that was definitely more than I expected, what a great explanation, you rock! Arigatô and greetings from Spain.
One too many movie fantasies.
Fact is, the drunken training forms
were never meant to be used that way.
You're NOT supposed to face an opponent like some drunken fool !
That's complete misunderstanding of what the 'drunken' aspect
is all about.
It is the same with guys who think that Praying Mantis style
means you sway your hands when facing your opponent.
Utter rubbish from movies.
I think the drunken form was to train the overall balance of the body in a dynamic ways right?
@@Arcana437 it's a art of closing in to attack in a subtle way.
@Joey Diaz shotokan kyoukushin wado ryu goju ryu, that's all karate with some slight difference, and no it depends on the person not the art. Imagine a karate practioner figjting a real kung fu drunken fist. It would depends on their qualities not the art their using, if one of them is hit in a vulneruble spot and can't continue that doesn't prove that one style is better than the other but instead that one person is better at fighting than the other, that ofcourse is with the rules etc.
@Joey Diaz i never said karate don't work, you didn't even understand what im trying to say do you? All of those "styles" are not a real style there's not much of a difference in them! Even their founder hate the term style
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No offense, but they should have gotten Chinese Martial Artists that actually fight and not just perform. Then you would have seen the differences in the fighters versus non-fighters. There would have been very little to no wasted motions.
Thats like saying Covid 19 vs AIDS.
Kyokushin guy's were just playing with them
Yup
Kids commenting on youtube laughing about these guys have no idea what kind of clowns we had in this world pre-MMA. Actually all those who called themselves "martial artists" were more or less like these bozos. And in those days the real tough guys, like wrestlers, we're not even considered to be martial artist.
How far we've come since 1985. Thank you MMA!
Skinnier, lighter, shorter, Drunken style guy who didn't know how to capitalize on leg traps and was more interested in Stylin it.. Second guy showing a different style was doing much better but they cut it short. Of the hundreds of Chinese Gung Fu styles, there are many, many that would fair better against Kyokushin
Why do y'all choose these non-fighters to compete with? You need to compete with a real Kung Fu practitioner, not a jokester. But, you like dancing with these frauds to make fake comparisons.
Also, you have these rules that only allow kicks to the head, yet forbid strikes to the head with the hands and fist, which diminishes many hand/fist techniques used by true Kung Fu artists.
So, yeah, if your kicking game is strong, with these pretty rules, you win. Expose your groin with these fancy high kicks to a real fighter as often as this guy did and see what a real martial artist would do to stop that.
Kyokushin is brutal enough. Now imagine if it was a Thai boxer.......he would have been crippled for life
If you want to know who is real martial artist just look no further than their forearms. When I studied Japanese Kendo and even Korean Hapkido, both my instructors had absolutely massive forearms compared to their height and weight. I don't know if this kungfu guy is just trolling or what but his arms are absolutely puny while the Karate guy has at least a decent sized frame. Kungfu guy looks like he never practiced hitting a punching bag in his life.
Karate Vs 0 % Touch
No one told me that uncle roger was a drunken master
hahaha
That's what happens when you go drunken master fighting without getting drunk first 🤣🤣🤣
This one is the most comedy fight scene ever seen. Wu else is loughing
Strong Karate Breaks Soft Jokes All The Time!
Kyokushin Karate is very powerfull and deadly if it is been used correctly. Lucky drunken dancer not got hitted too hard.
Parece que se tomó todo el vino antes de pelear,con su estilo borracho. 🙈
Both are beautiful forms of martial arts..it’s the driver behind the wheel, not the company of the car
UM NO. Most Chinese Martial Arts is fantasy based.
@@kagyu1 respect your opinion, but remember your siding with a particular style, which is Kyokushin karate, which is certainly very effective...but if you do your research, karate came from CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS
@@ShaneCrossley500 that doesn't change the fact that in the modern day it is much harder to find a kung fu school that teaches you how to fight than it is to find a kyokushin school that teaches you how to fight. Just because Karate originally came from China does not mean that chinese martial arts work. Don't get me wrong though, there are chinese martial arts that work. Sanda is a good example of this; however, the point still stands. most chinese martial arts do not work.
Im surprised the second guy stayed on his feet after that first head kick
Attack is the best defence, not acting drunk, and missing out on every opportunity to eliminate an oponent.
right he just wasted his energy to make unnecessary moves
Does it look a bit like drunken fist (from the Chinese martial arts guy)?
蛇だとか酔っ払いだとかの真似をしなければならない時点でそれに束縛されて自由な動きが制限されるわけだから、相当熟練していないとだめでしょうな。酔拳とか蛇拳とか蟷螂拳だとか、何となくカッコいいし少年時代には夢を感じたものではあるが。。。
The title tells who wins and the first three seconds confirmed the outcome.
Who tf was filming me when I was drunk?
😂😂😂😂
Bruh this what we look like when we got really drunk and we thought we just pulled off the bruce lee 400 hit combo flawless victory
It's the man who makes the art, not the art that makes the man
On the point.
Im really more of a karate guy but respects to chinese martial arts, it''s the fighter, not the martial art
I think the kungfu fighters are their collegues they are paid to perform styles which they dont know🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Os karatecas humilharam os CHINESES!
I love inter martial arts sparring, it’s a lot of fun
A bit of a misleading title.
There's many martial arts styles from china. It would have been better to have kyokushin karate vs White Crane for example. 👍
I don’t think anyone understands how difficult it is to fight while acting drunk, while you’re sober. If he was a real alcoholic Kung-Fu master, the Kyokushin guy would have been destroyed. OOSSSS!😂
Drunken master got sober real fast...
WELL NEXT TIME, THE TITLE WILL NOT BE DRUNKEN MASTER BUT ( THE SLEEPING MASTER,, GOODNIGHT MASTER ).
His drunken style isn't bad, but he's lacking power. That first leg sweet SHOULD have dumped his opponent on his back
this is reality fight, a bird flying may be arrested. so don't to play when you are fighting like a drunker. do you anderstand ?
Кто-то жестко отгрёб в кабину... )
0:44 when the wing chun guy actually see the power of the 'slow' kyokushin guy
He wasn’t using Wing Chun in this fight
This is what Bruce Lee was saying in one of his very candid interviews about Chinese and other Asian martial artist back in the days...!!!
The Japanese need a Bruce Lee to cure them.
They actually tried practicing Drunken Style...
Those guys in black are actually drunk! LOL!!! 😁😂🤣😃
he tried drunken master jackie chan but without sake, it wont work
feels like actor fighting against fighter..
Ese no es el verdadero estilo borracho
They need to face Jet Lee , Dannie , or Bruce Lee to knock them down is 5 seconds or less .
if you ever watching a real karate fight, karate fighters are fookin agressive. this guy just chillin'😂
2:29 she's so cute...
😁got it
Lmao
He thought he could fight like Jacky Chan
The problem with drunken style irl is the practitioners put themselves in unbalanced positions often as fully weighted on one leg, which makes them an easy target.
He feels a real "drunk" after the head kick
The orange guy is like..shit were probably gonna get sued after this
Kyokushin Karate guy uses his long and strong legs to his advantage ie for better reach.
...Unpopular comment:
What uniform/ Gi/ Clothing/ Training Fit, is the first drunken "Chinese Martial Arts practitioner" wearing?
The full clothing including top half bottom half and white belt or strap.
Thanks to whoever replies
Непонятно, чем эти "пьяные" мужики собирались побеждать, нет ни ударов ни защиты.
Их подобрали,таких, японцы.
The drunken fist guy did surprisingly well, if you had a more practical discipline under his belt as a foundation I could see him being dangerous
Hace unos años, me di cuenta que muchos estilos chinos , ya no son confiables en combate , mucho menos en defensa personal.
0:55 who's the kiokushin sensei?
The drunken kungfu guy is dreaming while fighting. hallucinating himself.
Kyokushin Karate vs Drunk Martial Arts
i like the drunk kungfu guy
This is more proof that traditional kung fu styles don't work in a real fight. I've known this for a long time, and other kung fu people know it too, they just HATE admitting it.
What happened in the third fight? Why did the ref stop the match after 20 seconds only???
Dude looked like Mr. Bean doing martial arts
Estos chinos quedaron en la infancia
Did he just do a RexKwanDo spinning low kick? 0:31
Out of the 300 kung fu styles 280 are those which include dancing and performence rest the ones that are actually to fight
source?
@@firedude339 it's just an exxageration i mean styles like Tai Chi that are basically for health and not combat
@@Unknown-mi4ih which are they styles meant for combat then?
@@firedude339 styles for combat sanda
A drunken fist is fearless
Also drunken fist doesn't wait for opportunity