Fast Passats seem to have been a dime a dozen in Japan, nearly every W8 and R36 for sale on Autotrader is a Jap import. They had a V6 4motion B5.5 with a full original votex kit and sport leather interior I was really tempted to buy.
Had my e91 335d for 5 years now and done 70k miles in it. It's been an amazing car for all uses, it's been to Nurburg, Germany several times and been amazing throughout. If you keep up on the maintenance and get rid of the DPF and EGR you'll have pretty much trouble free motoring even after tuning. having a 400hp diesel estate car that has monster torque certainly makes for an interesting facial expression on many other drivers haha!
I wanna second this comment. Own a 635d, same m57 engine.. 60k trouble free miles, like you say delete the egr, dpf and these motors are bullet proof.. plenty of power and torque to fend off even m series car (yes owned an m3 too..). Can’t fault getting 40-50mpg from these motors with enough speed and practicality in the estate version. Easily one of the best bang for buck.. bulletproof engines from real owners…
@@riseandshinesunshine ‘friendly’ mot testers. & Egr deletes aren’t mot failures as such to my knowledge only dpf is. If its still within the emissions limits then it’s a non issue as such. Though I believe BOTH are technical illegal to alter anything that MAY affect emissions as such. Again tests and laws are two different things.
@@superthierry1 they would inspect a dpf typically to ensure it’s there at least. people gut them and weld them up to show its visibly still there (to my knowledge)
I'd love an episode like this but with np budget restrictions just family cars that you can track if you wanted to. Basically the ultimate family car list
I decided on a 2006 Passat SEL estate with the 3.2 VR6 in for family duties. I've now had it for 6 years - it does everything I throw at it & with AP coilovers / sports exhaust - it handles great & sounds amazing!
@@marcrowe9233 no it's off the road at the moment aswell.. dreaded snapped locking wheel nut key amongst other bits.. am sorely tempted to.. but, may have to trade in for a van.. Or dare I say it.. another volvo estate 👍
@@discostu2246 I had a Volvo Estate, i think it was a 840 or 940, anyway the guy I bought it off had stuck a turbo on it and did loads of mods and eventually it packed in 🤦 I loved that car aswell
Some interesting cars on this list for sure, but it’s got to be the Volvo for me! Though, spending a fair amount of time being taken around in an 850 T5 before I got my hands on my own car, I’d be very much taken in by an 850 R which do crop up every now and again for sub 10k.. but looking at the prices of V70 Rs, I’d be lying if I didn’t say I was tempted...
I had an 03 plate S60R for a few years. Ticked every box, comfortable, practical, sounded incredible and a load of fun. I thoroughly enjoyed surprising Audi S-line diesels on the bypass 🤣
Glad to see a 35d car on here, im 19 and have a E61 535d and what a car it is, mapped up to almost 400bhp and so practical and fun to drive yet gets decently good mpg. they arent as problematic as some people say, the m57 engine is great, also have an e46 coupe for more weekend fun : )
I was gonna say the insignia vxr, can get it as a saloon or estate, 325hp from a turbo v6 with not that great power delivery but that can be changed, I would say it's pretty good for like £6k-£10k
Not sure about the Porsche for the top spot IMO in terms of overall running costs and reliability. I think the Audi, Volvo or the XF would get my vote. Really love the styling of the XF. Great video as always 👌🏻
Awesome vid man, your content is the same high quality every time! hope the move to your new gaff was all good. Gotta disagree on the s4 ageing well aesthetically, I believe it’s very dated
I've got a manual E91 325i and while it's not quite as quick as some of these it's got a ton of character. Something special about a BMW straight 6, and when it's pushing a big estate what's not to like
Please make a video about the cheapest first cars without a black box in cities such as bradford where insurance is very high, ur videos are amazing and very informative, keep up the good work👍👍👍
The V70 R is probably my favourite one here as well as the 335d - though I would've preferred the 335i if it was within the £10k price budget. My personal favourite? Golf R estate, way over budget though.
i owned a Zafira GSI flaming red running just over 300bhp that thing could keep up with most things it had a massive intercooler, 80mm maf, vxr injectors, k04 turbo built to a ko6, stage 3 map, upgraded gear box, carbon kevlar clutch, toyo double decat, full miltek exhaust, baileys dump valve, the list goes on and on i could get 0-60 in 6 seconds with eagle f1 tires and in first gear could reach 55mph and flat out in 5th knocking on the door of 160mph and to stop it i had to have upgraded breaks and grooved and drilled disk
Great vid JB. Love the zafira VXR, just take the badges off! Does the BMW come with the optional indicators? Or do you have to subscribe & pay for them? Love the Volvo (we roll, look it up) that's the one I would have. The Audi issue with the tensioners is a good £5k job, buy if you are brave! The Porker, not my cup of tea. One it's ugly & two it's really ugly. All the best.............
You’ve either sped up your voice over too much, or need to slow down a bit. I couldn’t understand you for quite a lot of this video. Other than that fabulous content! Any chance of a 7 seater top 10?
The volvo and the passat variant my favorite but they are has triple prices in turkey. Hard to buy them anyway due to the taxes. Thank you for the video
good vid but and its a big but as a family car the top thing is cost so i think the top 2 for me would be the alfa jtd 159 are a 330d as both are cheap for repair and run
I know it’s completely off topic with this video lmao, but do you have any opinions on any of the Renault Clio rs models? I’m thinking about buying one and I’m not too sure what other options I’ve got for a small hatchback kind of car?
3.0d XF has been a great car. The S model can be slightly tuned to 300bhp which for a diesel is nuts. Luxurious interior and reliability (accept for some electrical gremlins) is v good.
People say that the later version of twin charged Fabia VRS from 2013 with engine codenamed CTHE (named CAVE before 2013) have resolved all the oil consumption and other issues. What's your opinion on this?
I’ve got myself a 2005 Renault estate with 101bhp as my first car due to gas prices in Portugal but god dam it’s so god dam fun for a family shit box 🤣
zafira VXR is funny car to add ,it is great car but not as a good daily it will drive u insane as the suspension pretty stiff and it pretty janky at low speed from what seen
I had a Jaguar XF 3.0S and it was the worst car I have owned out of 40 odd for random electrical issues. Water in Fuel, door locking working when it felt like it, courtesy lights coming on when you closed the door etc. I nicknamed it Gremlin. The issue I think with very high tech cars is the failure curve on electronics and battery condition and wiring deteriorating over time.
Not sure about this 1 series I’ve seen on autotrader. It’s a 64 plate 3 door SE 116i with 52k miles. It apparently has fully service history and had its timing chain replaced. There’s a little dent in the front wheel arch and the break pads need doing soon but it has decent MOT records. Not sure as it was 8k and is now 7.5k so a bit cheaper than it should be. Any thoughts anyone? Thnaks
My mate has a Cayenne.... Fuck me that's a money pit. Quick as fuck for what it is though. Personally I'd get the Jag, but I was sure there was a better engine choice.
I wonder if anyone on here can help me. I need something relatively fun as a car enthusiast but primarily reliable and spacious. It needs flat folding rear seats so it can be turned into a bed on occasion. I’m thinking an old A6 Avant (around 2007). Budget of >£3000.
You'll never find an Avant at that price point unless it's in bad shape. Instead, get your hands on an Audi A3 sport hatch. The 3.2L 6 cylinder Quattro is a beast, but the 2.0T 4 cylinder is also fun as all get out. I gave my daughter a 2007 with an automatic transmission and I bought the 2006 standard shift 6 speed for myself. I absolutely love them all. Next up, the RS3. LOL. I wish!
No diesel should be on this list, and if they are supposed to be fun as well as practical, why the obsession with fuel consumption? Fuel barely enters the running cost equation; depreciation and repairs are all that really matter, so why pick such a troublesome bunch? If I had to choose one from this list, it would be the Porsche, because it’s the only one with serious performance. In reality, I wouldn’t give any of them garage space.
'family' cars? really? Range Rovers and the Cayenne are poseurs cars nothing more. the XF estate has a smaller boot than my Ford Mondeo Hatchback with the seats up, the Ford having 605 (from memory) litres of boot capacity. The Focus ST estate you CANT tow with legally, because its not type approved for towing. and whilst i appreciate you are looking at 'fast' family cars, seats up as you would use them, not ONE of them that you quoted had the boot capacity of the Mondeo, and ALL were either SUVs, Estates or people carriers
I had an XF saloon up until about a month ago. Terrible family car, especially with two very young children. I'd imagine the sport brake is many times better but I wouldn't recommend the saloon. Saying that, it was hurrendously expensive when it went wrong. That, and my local dealership tried charging me £800 for something that didn't need doing.
Great Video, would have considered the BMW 530d F11 for sub 6 secs and E350cdi for huge luggage capabilities too. Won't be long to 100k, appreciate all your hard work!
Come on let’s be honest if you’re considering anyone of the cars on any of your car lists no one gives a horses arse about mpg. Also you said the 335d was unreliable 🤡🤡🤡
If anyone is after a r36 Passat BHP imports do loads of them, a guy from my work had a mint one from Japan.
Fast Passats seem to have been a dime a dozen in Japan, nearly every W8 and R36 for sale on Autotrader is a Jap import. They had a V6 4motion B5.5 with a full original votex kit and sport leather interior I was really tempted to buy.
Had my e91 335d for 5 years now and done 70k miles in it. It's been an amazing car for all uses, it's been to Nurburg, Germany several times and been amazing throughout. If you keep up on the maintenance and get rid of the DPF and EGR you'll have pretty much trouble free motoring even after tuning. having a 400hp diesel estate car that has monster torque certainly makes for an interesting facial expression on many other drivers haha!
I wanna second this comment. Own a 635d, same m57 engine.. 60k trouble free miles, like you say delete the egr, dpf and these motors are bullet proof.. plenty of power and torque to fend off even m series car (yes owned an m3 too..). Can’t fault getting 40-50mpg from these motors with enough speed and practicality in the estate version. Easily one of the best bang for buck.. bulletproof engines from real owners…
How you through mot without dpf and egr, I wonder ?
@@riseandshinesunshine ‘friendly’ mot testers. & Egr deletes aren’t mot failures as such to my knowledge only dpf is. If its still within the emissions limits then it’s a non issue as such. Though I believe BOTH are technical illegal to alter anything that MAY affect emissions as such. Again tests and laws are two different things.
I want to remap my d4d. Will the mot inspectors physically look at the egr and dpf..
@@superthierry1 they would inspect a dpf typically to ensure it’s there at least. people gut them and weld them up to show its visibly still there (to my knowledge)
The old gs450h 2006ish is an absolute bargain for what you get but here the passat r36 is kingg
I'd love an episode like this but with np budget restrictions just family cars that you can track if you wanted to. Basically the ultimate family car list
I decided on a 2006 Passat SEL estate with the 3.2 VR6 in for family duties. I've now had it for 6 years - it does everything I throw at it & with AP coilovers / sports exhaust - it handles great & sounds amazing!
The white advert you featured is a 3.2 import - not an R36...
Been in a Zaf VXR with a stage 1, they're mental 😳
I have the 2.8V6 Turbo Saab 95 Aero estate, not good on fuel but definitely fast and practical! Big up the Saab Gang!
I have a baby 1.8t .. love taking it on b roads 👍
@@discostu2246 Have you modified it?
@@marcrowe9233 no it's off the road at the moment aswell.. dreaded snapped locking wheel nut key amongst other bits.. am sorely tempted to.. but, may have to trade in for a van.. Or dare I say it.. another volvo estate 👍
@@discostu2246 I had a Volvo Estate, i think it was a 840 or 940, anyway the guy I bought it off had stuck a turbo on it and did loads of mods and eventually it packed in 🤦 I loved that car aswell
@@marcrowe9233 anyway.. enough reminiscing.. back to the plot.. Best lpg conversion under whatever £.. it's an interesting question? 🙂
Some interesting cars on this list for sure, but it’s got to be the Volvo for me! Though, spending a fair amount of time being taken around in an 850 T5 before I got my hands on my own car, I’d be very much taken in by an 850 R which do crop up every now and again for sub 10k.. but looking at the prices of V70 Rs, I’d be lying if I didn’t say I was tempted...
They are super cool, I’m warming to them more and more, especially with the I5…
My 850 is the most reliable car I've ever owned
I had an 03 plate S60R for a few years. Ticked every box, comfortable, practical, sounded incredible and a load of fun. I thoroughly enjoyed surprising Audi S-line diesels on the bypass 🤣
The Cayenne cylinder problem is with the 4.5 N/A model as they used a different material on the liners, the turbo model doesnt suffer from this
Would you recommend the v6 over the n/a 4.5?
Was very surprised to see the Range Rover on the list lol
Haha not fast in the slightest, and not my kinda car, but I can appreciate them!
Glad to see a 35d car on here, im 19 and have a E61 535d and what a car it is, mapped up to almost 400bhp and so practical and fun to drive yet gets decently good mpg. they arent as problematic as some people say, the m57 engine is great, also have an e46 coupe for more weekend fun : )
how are you insured on a 335d at 19 mate im paying £3k a year for a 1.0 67bhp toyota aygo🤣
@@rawrunner7405 no clue, it’s an E61 535d, i’m insured on both my 535d and e46 320cd for £150 a month.
@@thanzeelkamaldian7133 damn that must be good bro, happy for you. you must be from Wales or the countryside im assuming??
@@rawrunner7405 thanks bro, just build up your no claims bonus, i have both parents on my policy too. And i live near to Reading so kinda near London.
Decent mpg I doubt mate .. I have a tuned 535d 350 bhp 660nm around town 20mpg motorway lucky to get 32mpg ,, awesome performance though 👏
I was gonna say the insignia vxr, can get it as a saloon or estate, 325hp from a turbo v6 with not that great power delivery but that can be changed, I would say it's pretty good for like £6k-£10k
Congratulations on your new place back ground looks gd💯💯another lit video on a chilling night
Appreciate it man!
Not sure about the Porsche for the top spot IMO in terms of overall running costs and reliability. I think the Audi, Volvo or the XF would get my vote. Really love the styling of the XF. Great video as always 👌🏻
audis have terrible reliability, as does pretty much anything in the VAG line-up, including skoda and seat.
For me it's the r36 in blue
Volvo 850R. No other answer is valid
R36 so underrated
Awesome vid man, your content is the same high quality every time! hope the move to your new gaff was all good. Gotta disagree on the s4 ageing well aesthetically, I believe it’s very dated
S4😍😍😍😍😍
Agreed 👀
really enjoy these video - good luck with 100k
Great video again man.. for me it would be the ford st.. stylish and still pretty quick.. and not as expensive to fix like the others..
Hi JB, do you have a video recommending fast cars with largish petrol engines with surprisingly good mpg?
I do have one: ruclips.net/video/r57qjIQm6ak/видео.html
@@CarsWithJB you legend thanks
@@CarsWithJB thank u i’ll be watching this
Do a video on 7 seaters 🤣 I got kids but need some fun 🤣
That black st estate looked awesome
Saab should be on the list
My money would go on a Volvo v50 t 5 which is as fast as most sports wagons in its price range and has that wonderful 5 pot soundtrack. Pete 🇬🇧
The first mistake I noticed on a JB video on the R36 engine size. It says 2.6L rather than 3.6L. But we forgive it because it’s JB 🙏🏽
R36! Has to be 👏👏 Great to see the local garage in the VXR clip #brooklands 👍👍
I've got a manual E91 325i and while it's not quite as quick as some of these it's got a ton of character. Something special about a BMW straight 6, and when it's pushing a big estate what's not to like
Nice choice of cars. I think for me would be a E39 540i. I'm sure they are family cars. Sadly can't drive it in my area due to emissions of
I've got the skoda fabia vrs that's on the list. Great car.
No one has out a insignia vxr on a list like this I’ve just brought one it’s a weapon!
That Range Rover would be fun for the mechanics that will profit off the reliability (or lack thereof) 😂
Honestly think I need to become a Range Rover specialist 👀
Please make a video about the cheapest first cars without a black box in cities such as bradford where insurance is very high, ur videos are amazing and very informative, keep up the good work👍👍👍
Getting closer to the big 100! Come on let’s get there by Jan 1!
The V70 R is probably my favourite one here as well as the 335d - though I would've preferred the 335i if it was within the £10k price budget.
My personal favourite? Golf R estate, way over budget though.
Golf R estate I tried to shoehorn in but yes, as you say, too expensive!
having a Cayenne Turbo and Fabia on the same list is quite funny
Some brave choices. Not sure on reliability
Nearly at 100k subs 👏
Thought about a zafira vxr but opted for an espace with the 3.5 v6
i owned a Zafira GSI flaming red running just over 300bhp that thing could keep up with most things it had a massive intercooler, 80mm maf, vxr injectors, k04 turbo built to a ko6, stage 3 map, upgraded gear box, carbon kevlar clutch, toyo double decat, full miltek exhaust, baileys dump valve, the list goes on and on i could get 0-60 in 6 seconds with eagle f1 tires and in first gear could reach 55mph and flat out in 5th knocking on the door of 160mph and to stop it i had to have upgraded breaks and grooved and drilled disk
Mercedes C63 S204 Amg Estate is a great family wagon. Just a bit thirsty on fuel.
That zafira vxr will understeer like any 2000's hot fwd Vauxhall's lol
Great vid JB. Love the zafira VXR, just take the badges off! Does the BMW come with the optional indicators? Or do you have to subscribe & pay for them? Love the Volvo (we roll, look it up) that's the one I would have. The Audi issue with the tensioners is a good £5k job, buy if you are brave! The Porker, not my cup of tea. One it's ugly & two it's really ugly. All the best.............
Skoda superb all day long
You’ve either sped up your voice over too much, or need to slow down a bit. I couldn’t understand you for quite a lot of this video. Other than that fabulous content! Any chance of a 7 seater top 10?
Not sure how the mondeo st isn't on the list!!!
Congratulations on the new pad.
The volvo and the passat variant my favorite but they are has triple prices in turkey. Hard to buy them anyway due to the taxes.
Thank you for the video
Good vid
Cheers!
@@CarsWithJB yay i got a comment a special one
I like how almost none of these are sold in the us
good vid but and its a big but as a family car the top thing is cost so i think the top 2 for me would be the alfa jtd 159 are a 330d as both are cheap for repair and run
You missed the skoda octavia vRS estate . the superb also comes with this engine with 300 bhp .
I think E60 M5 would be a brilliant family car for car guys imagine revving the engine in front of the school annoying the hell outta everyone
Haha good point
Imagine revving the engine in front of the school and it just blows up right then and there. A truly terrible engine
Terrible pieces of junk; not nearly as quick as the awful suspension makes them feel, and the repair costs will have you sleeping on a park bench.
I know it’s completely off topic with this video lmao, but do you have any opinions on any of the Renault Clio rs models? I’m thinking about buying one and I’m not too sure what other options I’ve got for a small hatchback kind of car?
Did anyone notice that the Passat was said to be a 3.6 vr6 but the bubble said it was a 2.6
I would love to own a r36 I could only dream of owning one they are just incredible. The one car I wish my dad never ever sold when I was a kid 🥺
The bmw x5 is missing but good list anyways. For me would have to be the passat although the cayenne is also very good.
3.0d XF has been a great car. The S model can be slightly tuned to 300bhp which for a diesel is nuts. Luxurious interior and reliability (accept for some electrical gremlins) is v good.
People say that the later version of twin charged Fabia VRS from 2013 with engine codenamed CTHE (named CAVE before 2013) have resolved all the oil consumption and other issues. What's your opinion on this?
Skoda also make the superb with the vr6 engine. Even bigger than the passat and cheaper too.
I’ve got myself a 2005 Renault estate with 101bhp as my first car due to gas prices in Portugal but god dam it’s so god dam fun for a family shit box 🤣
What do you think about a mk4 ford mondeo with the 2.5T 5 cylinder engine?
What about a top of reliable performance cars ? Cheers
zafira VXR is funny car to add ,it is great car but not as a good daily it will drive u insane as the suspension pretty stiff and it pretty janky at low speed from what seen
My brothers friend owns an R36 Passat estate
I had a Jaguar XF 3.0S and it was the worst car I have owned out of 40 odd for random electrical issues. Water in Fuel, door locking working when it felt like it, courtesy lights coming on when you closed the door etc. I nicknamed it Gremlin. The issue I think with very high tech cars is the failure curve on electronics and battery condition and wiring deteriorating over time.
Not sure about this 1 series I’ve seen on autotrader. It’s a 64 plate 3 door SE 116i with 52k miles. It apparently has fully service history and had its timing chain replaced. There’s a little dent in the front wheel arch and the break pads need doing soon but it has decent MOT records. Not sure as it was 8k and is now 7.5k so a bit cheaper than it should be. Any thoughts anyone? Thnaks
Volvo v70 or r36 ultimate dads car
for me it’ll be the 335i touring and not the D
C32 amg estate
Best family car is the 435d Gran, ridiculous performance, 4wd and still 60mpg
I love your videos, slow down the English to get a more international audience
Looking for a fam car next year. Hopefully the price will drop a bit. 😂
I'd like to see best lpg conversion under.. £?
Mmm V70R.
Mmm mmm mmmmmmm
What about the other mad Swedes the Saab 93 or 95 aero hot. But then mind you need something for the sub £5k vid 🤣🤣🤣
My mate has a Cayenne.... Fuck me that's a money pit.
Quick as fuck for what it is though.
Personally I'd get the Jag, but I was sure there was a better engine choice.
I think it's time for some merch wouldn't you say? maybe a 100k drop when the time comes...
The passats aren't as good as you think.(having owned one)...
I wonder if anyone on here can help me.
I need something relatively fun as a car enthusiast but primarily reliable and spacious. It needs flat folding rear seats so it can be turned into a bed on occasion. I’m thinking an old A6 Avant (around 2007).
Budget of >£3000.
You'll never find an Avant at that price point unless it's in bad shape. Instead, get your hands on an Audi A3 sport hatch. The 3.2L 6 cylinder Quattro is a beast, but the 2.0T 4 cylinder is also fun as all get out. I gave my daughter a 2007 with an automatic transmission and I bought the 2006 standard shift 6 speed for myself. I absolutely love them all. Next up, the RS3. LOL. I wish!
No diesel should be on this list, and if they are supposed to be fun as well as practical, why the obsession with fuel consumption? Fuel barely enters the running cost equation; depreciation and repairs are all that really matter, so why pick such a troublesome bunch? If I had to choose one from this list, it would be the Porsche, because it’s the only one with serious performance. In reality, I wouldn’t give any of them garage space.
'family' cars? really? Range Rovers and the Cayenne are poseurs cars nothing more.
the XF estate has a smaller boot than my Ford Mondeo Hatchback with the seats up, the Ford having 605 (from memory) litres of boot capacity.
The Focus ST estate you CANT tow with legally, because its not type approved for towing.
and whilst i appreciate you are looking at 'fast' family cars, seats up as you would use them, not ONE of them that you quoted had the boot capacity of the Mondeo, and ALL were either SUVs, Estates or people carriers
I had an XF saloon up until about a month ago. Terrible family car, especially with two very young children. I'd imagine the sport brake is many times better but I wouldn't recommend the saloon. Saying that, it was hurrendously expensive when it went wrong. That, and my local dealership tried charging me £800 for something that didn't need doing.
£10,000 how about something realistic price like 10 for under a £1000
Great Video, would have considered the BMW 530d F11 for sub 6 secs and E350cdi for huge luggage capabilities too. Won't be long to 100k, appreciate all your hard work!
Passat is 3.6 my g not 2.6
When you listed a rwafty ange rover as number 10 i turned this off. Not a drivers car at all
Fast?
Come on let’s be honest if you’re considering anyone of the cars on any of your car lists no one gives a horses arse about mpg. Also you said the 335d was unreliable 🤡🤡🤡
I just can’t agree on the Skoda Fabia, it just looks awful, no self respecting car guy could drive that.. surely
You're knowledge is very restricted.
That's all...