Right??? Cross-Z Magma has both a great design AND a great story behind it, I dunno how they kept it on the same level as Build Genius. It should've been a B at best.
@@TheGloryXros They probably got blinded by their unjustified hatred to this show because of how popular it is to the point that they're unwilling to admit that there's any good part in the show at all.
Hell yeah. Everything's from the story the abilities, the, design. My only gripe is not being able to see all the other things it's apparently capable of in action instead of reading about it.
For me I would put Saber's in B for the fact that I don't consider the suit the final form but the sword the final "form" because it's the sword of all swords and it's able to use the abilities of all the other, he can also use his other forms while in it, imagine how powerful he would be if he used Elemental Dragon with Xcross Saber. Plus the story maybe trash but it's better than Ghost and Wizard in my opinion
Yeah, the fact they never mentioned the fact that Xross Saber's used an entirely new sword is strange. Then again, if only Marcus watched it then it was likely that he missed it.
@@aeonixhope8383 not really when the whole scene is all the swords' powers combining and creating the Sword of Cosmos, touma catching it in his hand and then transforming into Xross Saber
Base Xross Saber was a miss but I love the new sword. Its other bits certainly helped but I don't blame ya for thinking Saber is a mess, despite it being the season that made me wanna hunker down and watch ill openly admit how polarizing it is. Faiz Blaster could be a bit higher if only because its use despite being an unplanned form, but that's just me. Barron goes right up with Kiwami Arms Gaim. Vulcan in general is just amazing.
I’m honestly just glad that Hyper Muteki was in S cause that’s my personal favorite final form. There are a lot that I’d change but they’re mostly just one spot off from where I’d put it like I’d put Zero Two in S, etc. The only ones I really disagree with are Magma and Xross Saber, I honestly didn’t mind the magma story and adore it’s aesthetic that I’d put it in A or S honestly, and I’m one of the very few people who actually likes Saber so I’d end up putting his in A. Yes Saber has its issues, but I’ve been having too much fun watching it, but I’ll go more in depth with that once you get to the review at some point.
Excuse me!? Grand ZI-O is a gorges suit! Well, at least for me :D An easy S. From both aesthetic and story. Yes, my ZI-O biases are showing. And Xross Saber is at least A for me, after how dull and samy Zero-Two looked, at least this one looks different from afar. Also, story-wise, it was a great debut! Again, my opinion.
@@TheGloryXros to give Xross Saber credit atleast the colour change, Zero Two only adds like red to the hands and eyes and two red smalls thing in the shoulder.
@@ricardooliveira562 You're missing a LOT more differences with Zero-Two as opposed to Zero-One, in contrast to Xross Saber to regular Saber.....The gloves? The black aesthetic? The quantum leap ability??? C'mon now....
@@TheGloryXros I look for both 0-1 and 0-2 suits and beraly notice any difference, aside from what I mention and I guess those silver things in the arms. Xross Saber is cheap as hell but atleast I can look at it and seeing some difference (even if is just a 2 cents recolour).
@@ricardooliveira562 It's actually not really cheper since they couldn't use the usual method of recolouring given the stars on it, so the suit had to be hand painted by a professional.
the only thing I would change is putting Grand Zio in either A or S because I find the suit amazing and way better than Xross Saber and the fact that somebody took the time to design the statues on the suit
I agree. Xross saber seems to be less appealing to me because of how the suit designed. It just a repaint from the base version which I find that is lazy.
@@codyblaske9207 One is an inflatable chest piece The other is space blue with a very awesone sword and objectively only one new form being dragon lion alangina. Hand painted or not, in all honestly Cross Saber is not a homage to strongers and thats kinda just an excuse. Zero-Two/Zero-One being a homage to Ichigo is obvious and understandable But Cross Saber to Stronger is just no
@@codyblaske9207 thats why its an excuse They said it, to try to like wave off people calling out the fact its a recolor. It has NOTHING in common with stronger so how is it a fucking homage
Unpopular opinion: I actually like the grand zi o suit. I can totally see why a lot of people hate it but there's something about it that appeals to me.
Think they skipped anybody that wasn't a primary or secondary rider because Chalice, and a bunch of tertiary riders got left out that had final forms. Like Chalice or any of the Ex-Aid Riders.
Hey TOKUCAST I remember a couple weeks ago you did a review on Samurai Flamenco I would love to see you guys do a review on One Punch man and Osomatsu-san too. p.s. do a Flashman review too.
Those are non toku related anime, with Mumen Rider being the closest in OPM. They will not be done. Flashman will be done after we catch up to the present.
I won't really talk about Build Genius or Cross-Z Magma, because D honestly is not where they belong, but... I would put Ghost Mugen above that, for the budism aspect of the story, it makes sense, it's like they called it Infinity Potential instead of Budah form, just to not cause controversy, wich makes me think it's totally fine. And... Xross Saber is not that high, it's total trash, not only it is a lazy repaint, but it has nothing to do with the themes of the series, knights and books, instead they justhad no idea what to do, and decided to use a constelation, for no reason, they just said: "swords are like stars or something, idk, whatever"
Beast Hyper n Blades Hyoju Senki are ones I think should be higher based on their looks since one looks byoutiful while the other is just well done. Faiz Blaster and Hyper Kabuto are both solid (Kabuto mainly when he shuts his thick flaps) and should also be higher than say Deep Specter, Xross Saber, and Mach Chase. Then there's Zi-O. im gunna fite- Grand Zi-O is probably one of the only things I'll ever defend about that disaster of a season because Grand is an amazing final form: insane power, a solid aesthetic (he's a freaking grandfather clock dude), and by god they put so much effort into the henshin and the jingle for that thing, it's ridiculous. The only reason for me that it suffers is that the show infected it with its shittiness by having it be outdone immediately because "we don't have a real plan going, just have Another Zi-O come back because he's a petty bitch and make Grand Zi-O technically "incomplete", and make the completion of it movie exclusive". im gonna get angry about that show again, Grand needs to be way higher than freaking F-
@@Aikijou ehh i think it's pretty good i've watched the whole show. It's definitely not a Magnum opus good or anything but i think it's worth the try. Don't forget the other side contents as it improves the show
@@thatman666 I don't really care about the gimmick so long as the forms are cool. And I think ParaDX and Geiz does it a little better since he can just flip the ride watch to change forms quicker, but that's besides the point.
I must say I disagree with where Decade, Build and Zi-O are places Decade should at least be C I would only make him F if it was his complete 21 form Build should be at least A the bottle while ridiculous is very fitting and when look at the design as a whole it is great For Zi-O it is decent just a bit bulky so maybe C too or maybe low B
@@Aikijou Ohh didn't recognise 😅😅 can you check this Korean toku called Legend Hero? It's pretty good all episodes are eng sub on youtube, it will be cool if you guys made a review on it
Decade and Zi-O final are shit, its like they put the main form on the ground, and threw a bunch of photos of old main riders at that picture and where it lands is where they put they design the photo to be at. I think Oma-Zi-o was a amazing design tho, and wish they would just design final forms to look cool, and to be so related to the Gimmick, like Decade, Zi-O, and Build.
Just started watching but if Amazon Omega Neo isn't rated as absolute trash you have failed this list Edit: you forgot him completely actually I can't really blame you
@@amecampeon01 still relatively close to Zero-One, sure with a few new pieces, but a Zero-One redo, it's uniqueness is close to the difference between Shinobu and ghost
@@DonDkTaro because more time is put into molding a brand new suit than just taking an already existing suit and painting over it. Xross Saber to me is without a doubt the most laziest final form design in the entire franchise. At least Zero Two and Blaster look like an upgrade with new additions to their armor or giving it a sleeker look. Xross has glitter, that's it.
You three are way too generous with the Zi-O suits. All of them are trash, especially Grand Zi-O. I have always said it looked like an ugly trophy on legs. Even worse, it looks like Blade's King form color scheme made tackier. It's my least favorite suit ever for a reason (yes, I know Decade's Compete form exists, but that suit at least gives me a chuckle, Grand Zi-O does not as it is just ugly). As for XCross Saber, I like the paint job but at the same time, I can see why you three would say it needed more. Other than that, I would put all of Zero-One's suits in S because I personally think that show had no bad suits in it at all. It's just a shame that Metal Cluster Hopper was not the final form because that suit is gorgeous, especially in its original red-eyed, Ark controlled form. Jacob, when you do watch Zi-O, bring booze. You will need it. You think the last five minutes of Build are rage-inducing, Zi-O's ending will make you want to punch that tablet. It's been almost two years since that show ended and I still get irritated when I think about it. Ditto for Rider Time Ryuki.
Trash isnt even the word to describe Zi-O's suit. It should be its own word; Zio-suits (means so terrible that no words can describe it). Blade's King Form feels like an upgrade. It still maintains the base blue and just adds the color gold. Grand Zi-O is just all gold and it looks gross. Blade and Kiva did the "king aesthetics" better than Zi-O. The whole show of Zi-O just makes me angry. Its the worst Kamen Rider show ive ever watched. They freaking ruined Blade's ending. The best part about Blade's ending is how Kenzaki is willing to sacrifice his human life to save Hajime because he sees him as a human. Its a bittersweet ending, Hajime got a good ending but Kenzaki got a bad ending. But Zi-O shows up and decided to make their Joker's power get taken by a monster. So because they arent Jokers anymore, they can live happily together. That episode made me want to end myself. And then, the last episode happens omfg. Sorry for ranting. Its been a long time since i watched Kamen Rider (last series i watched is W when i was 15). I decided to get back into Kamen Rider with Zi-O and this happens *sigh*.
You guys do not like Build at all lol, which is fine but Cross-Z Magma is not D.
Right??? Cross-Z Magma has both a great design AND a great story behind it, I dunno how they kept it on the same level as Build Genius. It should've been a B at best.
@@TheGloryXros They probably got blinded by their unjustified hatred to this show because of how popular it is to the point that they're unwilling to admit that there's any good part in the show at all.
@@lautimhum6734 That's definitely how it was for Wizard if you saw their Extra Riders review.
Give in to your hatred guys, either way Marcus wins.
@@thatman666 Oh my hatred is for a lot more things in life than that, this is just a bygone song.
I think kuuga ultimate is the perfect final form. The impact it has in the story, the build up to it, and the design are all just perfect.
The one thing we can all agree on is that Kuuga belongs in S.
Mmm....NAH, disagree. It was only used once, we don't really get to see its capabilities at full. I'd say it's B-Tier.
Hell yeah. Everything's from the story the abilities, the, design. My only gripe is not being able to see all the other things it's apparently capable of in action instead of reading about it.
@@TheGloryXros they only show it once cuz that form is capable of destroying the world and not just its enemies so it understandble why
@@HambaAllah-ch9so 😒😒😒
@@TheGloryXros Amazing Mighty Kuuga was able to nuke a goddamn city. I think i dont want Kuuga to use Ultimate's full power.
For me I would put Saber's in B for the fact that I don't consider the suit the final form but the sword the final "form" because it's the sword of all swords and it's able to use the abilities of all the other, he can also use his other forms while in it, imagine how powerful he would be if he used Elemental Dragon with Xcross Saber. Plus the story maybe trash but it's better than Ghost and Wizard in my opinion
Yeah, the fact they never mentioned the fact that Xross Saber's used an entirely new sword is strange.
Then again, if only Marcus watched it then it was likely that he missed it.
@@aeonixhope8383 not really when the whole scene is all the swords' powers combining and creating the Sword of Cosmos, touma catching it in his hand and then transforming into Xross Saber
Base Xross Saber was a miss but I love the new sword. Its other bits certainly helped but I don't blame ya for thinking Saber is a mess, despite it being the season that made me wanna hunker down and watch ill openly admit how polarizing it is.
Faiz Blaster could be a bit higher if only because its use despite being an unplanned form, but that's just me.
Barron goes right up with Kiwami Arms Gaim.
Vulcan in general is just amazing.
I’m honestly just glad that Hyper Muteki was in S cause that’s my personal favorite final form.
There are a lot that I’d change but they’re mostly just one spot off from where I’d put it like I’d put Zero Two in S, etc.
The only ones I really disagree with are Magma and Xross Saber, I honestly didn’t mind the magma story and adore it’s aesthetic that I’d put it in A or S honestly, and I’m one of the very few people who actually likes Saber so I’d end up putting his in A. Yes Saber has its issues, but I’ve been having too much fun watching it, but I’ll go more in depth with that once you get to the review at some point.
The only good benefits of Xross Saber is return of Final Form Weapon and Crimson Saber jingle.
@@thatman666 I personally love all the jingles Xross Saber gives.
I feel like mugen should've gotten at least b just for aesthetics and wizard should've been an s tier for sure, other than that great list.
Wizard WOULD'VE gotten higher if not for its terrible story.
Excuse me!? Grand ZI-O is a gorges suit! Well, at least for me :D
An easy S. From both aesthetic and story.
Yes, my ZI-O biases are showing.
And Xross Saber is at least A for me, after how dull and samy Zero-Two looked, at least this one looks different from afar.
Also, story-wise, it was a great debut!
Again, my opinion.
Zero-Two's is "samey," yet Xross Saber is "different" to you?! Makes NO SENSE....
@@TheGloryXros to give Xross Saber credit atleast the colour change, Zero Two only adds like red to the hands and eyes and two red smalls thing in the shoulder.
@@ricardooliveira562 You're missing a LOT more differences with Zero-Two as opposed to Zero-One, in contrast to Xross Saber to regular Saber.....The gloves? The black aesthetic? The quantum leap ability??? C'mon now....
@@TheGloryXros I look for both 0-1 and 0-2 suits and beraly notice any difference, aside from what I mention and I guess those silver things in the arms.
Xross Saber is cheap as hell but atleast I can look at it and seeing some difference (even if is just a 2 cents recolour).
@@ricardooliveira562 It's actually not really cheper since they couldn't use the usual method of recolouring given the stars on it, so the suit had to be hand painted by a professional.
Kamen Rider Stronger reminds of Musclebob buffpants
i like sabers final form and saber as a whole so i would of gone A tier for it
Ooh interesting to see your opinion on reiwas 'simpler' final form😂
the only thing I would change is putting Grand Zio in either A or S because I find the suit amazing and way better than Xross Saber and the fact that somebody took the time to design the statues on the suit
Least Rider Statues are better adorned on a suit rather than any Henshin Trinkets.
I agree. Xross saber seems to be less appealing to me because of how the suit designed. It just a repaint from the base version which I find that is lazy.
If including some Extra Final Forms:
Wizard Infinity Dragon (A), Sin Specter (S), Cross-ZBuild and Cross-ZEvol (B), GeizMajesty (C)
Kuuga Rising Ultimate (Trash), W CycloneJoker Gold Xtreme (S)
I feel bad sometimes i like build story but i am gald we agree saber story sucks
Xsaber is very much an homage to the very first final form which is strongers
1 question
***How***
@@sonicdevil both are hand painted power ups it's actually stated in toeis statement from when it debuted
@@codyblaske9207
One is an inflatable chest piece
The other is space blue with a very awesone sword and objectively only one new form being dragon lion alangina.
Hand painted or not, in all honestly Cross Saber is not a homage to strongers and thats kinda just an excuse. Zero-Two/Zero-One being a homage to Ichigo is obvious and understandable
But Cross Saber to Stronger is just no
@@sonicdevil toei said this themselves sorry I don't make the rules
@@codyblaske9207 thats why its an excuse
They said it, to try to like wave off people calling out the fact its a recolor. It has NOTHING in common with stronger so how is it a fucking homage
I would definitely like to see a tier list of their "special final forms"
We will not be doing one. Sorry.
@@Aikijou ah ok understandable
Unpopular opinion: I actually like the grand zi o suit. I can totally see why a lot of people hate it but there's something about it that appeals to me.
Can you guys do super forms next? Not every rider has one so it would be shorter but i would love to see it!
Ohma technically a final form because he appears in the last ep of zio Sougo transforming into him
Didn't Gills have a final form?
Was wondering the same thing
Think they skipped anybody that wasn't a primary or secondary rider because Chalice, and a bunch of tertiary riders got left out that had final forms. Like Chalice or any of the Ex-Aid Riders.
Oohhhh im getting ready my popcorn
KR Chalice Wild, wasn't a final form? or is it like Tajador?
He's the fourth Rider. not the secondary.
@@Aikijou
Chalice is not the fourth rider he’s the third. The fourth rider is Leangle.
True, but either way, not the secondary.
Hey TOKUCAST I remember a couple weeks ago you did a review on Samurai Flamenco I would love to see you guys do a review on One Punch man and Osomatsu-san too. p.s. do a Flashman review too.
Those are non toku related anime, with Mumen Rider being the closest in OPM. They will not be done. Flashman will be done after we catch up to the present.
One y'all forgot chalice and two half the time I can barely head marcus can y'all get two mics or get the ones that attach to your collar?
Isn't chalice a tertiary rider?
Amazons had a final form as well.How do you feel about Amazon new omega?
Unnecessary as Omega didn't need it
I won't really talk about Build Genius or Cross-Z Magma, because D honestly is not where they belong, but...
I would put Ghost Mugen above that, for the budism aspect of the story, it makes sense, it's like they called it Infinity Potential instead of Budah form, just to not cause controversy, wich makes me think it's totally fine.
And... Xross Saber is not that high, it's total trash, not only it is a lazy repaint, but it has nothing to do with the themes of the series, knights and books, instead they justhad no idea what to do, and decided to use a constelation, for no reason, they just said: "swords are like stars or something, idk, whatever"
I can’t believe they disrespected Cross-Z Magma like that.
I didn't know recolor saber is better than magma dragon
Beast Hyper n Blades Hyoju Senki are ones I think should be higher based on their looks since one looks byoutiful while the other is just well done. Faiz Blaster and Hyper Kabuto are both solid (Kabuto mainly when he shuts his thick flaps) and should also be higher than say Deep Specter, Xross Saber, and Mach Chase. Then there's Zi-O. im gunna fite-
Grand Zi-O is probably one of the only things I'll ever defend about that disaster of a season because Grand is an amazing final form: insane power, a solid aesthetic (he's a freaking grandfather clock dude), and by god they put so much effort into the henshin and the jingle for that thing, it's ridiculous. The only reason for me that it suffers is that the show infected it with its shittiness by having it be outdone immediately because "we don't have a real plan going, just have Another Zi-O come back because he's a petty bitch and make Grand Zi-O technically "incomplete", and make the completion of it movie exclusive". im gonna get angry about that show again, Grand needs to be way higher than freaking F-
Can you guys do the extra final form next?
We will not be, no
Im sad my boi Hajime didnt make it to the tier with his beautiful Wild form :')
The debate whether he is the secondary Rider has been good for years. I personally see him as the secondary, but Toei doesn’t.
@@skyrogue1977 Same here, my man. Same here
@@skyrogue1977 geiz majesty says hi
Also garren is the secondary rider in blade
Oh wait Marcus you still follow saber?
No. Just clips. And 0 of it has been good
@@Aikijou ehh i think it's pretty good i've watched the whole show. It's definitely not a Magnum opus good or anything but i think it's worth the try. Don't forget the other side contents as it improves the show
Damn! Didn't think Geiz Revive form is bad. Lol
Shippu was fine, Gorestu felt ugly. Also Build and Geiz had copied Para-DX's gimmick of having a form that can switch between Red/Blue mode. Come On!
@@thatman666 I don't really care about the gimmick so long as the forms are cool. And I think ParaDX and Geiz does it a little better since he can just flip the ride watch to change forms quicker, but that's besides the point.
Can you guys do a tokuteir over movie forms
can you do some more tokutrivia?
do extra final forms
We won't be. This is as far as we will go
Do a tier list of relationships in super sentai
New Omega would be in Trash because there was no point for it to exist
Could you do tokutalk on plot twists?
I must say I disagree with where Decade, Build and Zi-O are places
Decade should at least be C I would only make him F if it was his complete 21 form
Build should be at least A the bottle while ridiculous is very fitting and when look at the design as a whole it is great
For Zi-O it is decent just a bit bulky so maybe C too or maybe low B
Am i the only one who can never u see the headlights as the eyes on the drive final form and it absolutely ruined it for me
Are U doing a ultraman Triger First impresion
Yes
@@Aikijou how do U kno
@@jeppy4021 Because this is Marcus, and we have already filmed it
@@Aikijou Ohh didn't recognise 😅😅 can you check this Korean toku called Legend Hero? It's pretty good all episodes are eng sub on youtube, it will be cool if you guys made a review on it
In my opinion, Hyper Muteki in at least A tier.
I think you missed Jaoh Dragon
Decade and Zi-O final are shit, its like they put the main form on the ground, and threw a bunch of photos of old main riders at that picture and where it lands is where they put they design the photo to be at. I think Oma-Zi-o was a amazing design tho, and wish they would just design final forms to look cool, and to be so related to the Gimmick, like Decade, Zi-O, and Build.
We all know that Kaixa have the best final form.
kaixa dust form lmao
But it's course, rough, and irritating and gets everywhere
Just started watching but if Amazon Omega Neo isn't rated as absolute trash you have failed this list
Edit: you forgot him completely actually I can't really blame you
Its not even on the list
I can't blame them cause let's be honest Haruka didn't need it
Tbf i never hated grand zi o
Zeronos deserved better!
Agreed it did so much for Yuto's character
Jacob makes a good point, what really makes zero two and Different from Xross Saber. Look wise.
Zero-Two is not a repaint, the mold is not the same as Zero-One, it is an evolution of the concept.
Xross Saber IS simply a repaint of Brave Dragon.
@@amecampeon01 still relatively close to Zero-One, sure with a few new pieces, but a Zero-One redo, it's uniqueness is close to the difference between Shinobu and ghost
@@amecampeon01 I'm my opinion a repaint and Remold are more similar in alot of ways. But that's just me
@@DonDkTaro because more time is put into molding a brand new suit than just taking an already existing suit and painting over it. Xross Saber to me is without a doubt the most laziest final form design in the entire franchise. At least Zero Two and Blaster look like an upgrade with new additions to their armor or giving it a sleeker look. Xross has glitter, that's it.
You three are way too generous with the Zi-O suits. All of them are trash, especially Grand Zi-O. I have always said it looked like an ugly trophy on legs. Even worse, it looks like Blade's King form color scheme made tackier. It's my least favorite suit ever for a reason (yes, I know Decade's Compete form exists, but that suit at least gives me a chuckle, Grand Zi-O does not as it is just ugly). As for XCross Saber, I like the paint job but at the same time, I can see why you three would say it needed more. Other than that, I would put all of Zero-One's suits in S because I personally think that show had no bad suits in it at all. It's just a shame that Metal Cluster Hopper was not the final form because that suit is gorgeous, especially in its original red-eyed, Ark controlled form.
Jacob, when you do watch Zi-O, bring booze. You will need it. You think the last five minutes of Build are rage-inducing, Zi-O's ending will make you want to punch that tablet. It's been almost two years since that show ended and I still get irritated when I think about it. Ditto for Rider Time Ryuki.
Trash isnt even the word to describe Zi-O's suit. It should be its own word; Zio-suits (means so terrible that no words can describe it). Blade's King Form feels like an upgrade. It still maintains the base blue and just adds the color gold. Grand Zi-O is just all gold and it looks gross. Blade and Kiva did the "king aesthetics" better than Zi-O.
The whole show of Zi-O just makes me angry. Its the worst Kamen Rider show ive ever watched. They freaking ruined Blade's ending. The best part about Blade's ending is how Kenzaki is willing to sacrifice his human life to save Hajime because he sees him as a human. Its a bittersweet ending, Hajime got a good ending but Kenzaki got a bad ending. But Zi-O shows up and decided to make their Joker's power get taken by a monster. So because they arent Jokers anymore, they can live happily together. That episode made me want to end myself. And then, the last episode happens omfg.
Sorry for ranting. Its been a long time since i watched Kamen Rider (last series i watched is W when i was 15). I decided to get back into Kamen Rider with Zi-O and this happens *sigh*.