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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2019
- Just to be clear: my opinions are not to be taken as facts. do what thou wilt.
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Thank you for making this video !
I just wanted to say the other information that everyone wasn’t bringing up with the whole DSO issue. Sadly a lot of the comments on the video seem to be edgelord “outrage culture” on the other end.
You are welcome, thanks for giving me a launching off point on this topic.
Funny thing about that Horna issue: When they played in LA and the whole antifa shutdown thing happened, they wound up playing in a different outdoor location and sold it out. The "outrage" essentially just pushed them into a larger venue and they made more money.
justice served.
They played at a venue in the really Mexican part of LA. So much for them being RAYCIS.
The only thing sketchy about Horna is the occasional gay riff.
Jesus fucking Christ, even Riffs are Gay now?
One thing I don't get is why people are fine with Christianity and Christian hating bands, but the second it's on Jewish people or Muslims then it gets sketchy. One or all, no exceptions.
I was just discussing this with my cousin the other day. We have noticed such a massive amount of blacklisting on Discogs, yet all the Christian killing, Satan worshipping is perfectly acceptable. Not to mention the lyrics in rap/hip hop music. Bulllshit man. Discogs should but the fuck out and allow people to buy and sell whatever kind of music they want.
Maybe it´s because jews are a minority and have already been persecuted for centuries...
@@andysorgslott2934 And that just makes it okay? Doesn't really matter who or what is a minority or what happened in the past. Humans are still humans after all.
@@andysorgslott2934 I think the reason why people like you think it is okay, is because you think Christianity is some big opressor still. Which it hasn't been for years. No one beheads people for not being Christian.
@@BlasphemousVerses I just tried to say that anti-jewish music is racist because Judaism is an ethnic religion whereas christianity is a universal religion. I hope you understand the difference.
Banger done a review of Marduks album and was calling them Nazi's. I couldn't believe it. Marduk is not NS and they was blasting them. What a joke!
I saw that also. Fucking idiots.
Jake Nielsen I’m American so wtf that’s supposed to mean. And btw the guys from banger are Canadian.
You watch Bangertv? Nothin but a bunch of decaf soy lattes working up there
@@spongebitchbobface exactly.
This is a great video. Kudos for making it. I saw this topic floating around and the vast majority of the videos and comments surrounding it were completely worthless. It was either "SJWs are ruining metal!" or "Here a Nazi, there a Nazi, everywhere a Nazi Nazi." Both takes are just plain stupid. It's mind boggling that next to no one can sit down with the topic and discuss it rationally. I don't make videos like this anymore cuz the moronic responses (as you can see in the comments of this video) get super tiring. But I think your points were cogent and your explanation was very easy to follow. Although cro-magnons still probably won't hear a word you said...
Thanks man. Yeah I cant let the knuckle draggers ruin my view. I'm going to hopefully start sharing more of this type of topic here and there. I appreciate your respect.
@@donglen113 A year ago? That didn't happen. 7 or 8 years ago? Maybe.
People use the word “Nazi” way too liberally nowadays. Nazi means advocating for genocide of entire groups of people. It doesn’t mean anti religious, no matter the religion
Yup. I think that it comes down to this: Have opinions, but be informed rather than follow the flocks of people flinging shit in every direction because it's loud and easy to be swept up in the wave. Well said.
Thanks!
There's a few things here
1) Difference between lyrical content explicitly promoting and advocating on behalf of neo-nazism/bigotry, and one or more members possibly having such worldviews but the music they produce not exhibiting it.
2) Many people will say "well musicians and artists are allowed to have private beliefs shouldn't affect what they make and how it's perceived" to a point yes but many many people will draw the line when it comes to beliefs that involve hating entire groups of humanity, wanting them dead or to suffer. That's not really "a difference in opinion" like about ideal marginal tax rate for corporate dividends or something. It's way more primal.
3) Yes due to social media it's very easy for ignorant "mobs" to take shape and "shame" and "accuse" various targets. It can be a lot harder to go into a longer more nuanced explanation but it's very simple to simply shout slogans and call names, and it gets teenagers, and lower-informed folks on your side, giving you a huge mass of people who will attack the target. It's a definite problem in our age
Isn't it funny how dehumanizing people by their income rate and ranting about civil war to kill evil capitalists is socially acceptable by leftist? I agree racism is fucking stupid but this bullshit like BLM is sympathizing Castro and Cuban dictatorship does really make the left look as bad as the fascists. Think about how many artist support BLM in social media and they act like none of that "Castro rest in power" shit happened or it just is not a "big deal"
I couldn’t agree with you more my friend. Thanks for tackling this subject. This whole thing is a little tough to take at times and sometimes it’s not worth even getting into because in these times nobody wants to have a nuanced conversation anymore.
I think helping to create an environment that engenders transparency and dialog about musicians, their actions, and connections is important, and is a fundamental part of giving people the opportunity to make informed decisions about the media they consume.
The normalization of fascism, crypto-fascism, antisemitism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, and other forms of bigotry within metal is not okay, and that's why we need to normalize conversations about them.
I regularly have dialog with people who don't understand, or haven't even heard about, the criticism people levelled at people like Mikko Aspa, Jason Jordan Weirbach, Mikołaj Żentara, or Rob Miller.
I think that's wild.
And I think it points to the fact that many people on a many sides of these issues could be doing better.
Thanks for making this video!
Much respect! Your input is one I value a lot!
Someone fucking gets it!
There does come a point where fascists are done with conversing. That is true for many people but when fascists come into power , it becomes too late to "create dialogue". I'm not saying that to say "fuck dialogue". But as we do all this lovelytalking, peoples lives are ending under fascist policies
I disagree with the second of the three parts in your post. I would make a video about it, but I'm not seeking to be in the crosshairs for my opinions. I suppose it would be pointless anyway, because it comes down to how different people's scales of tolerances/intolerances operate.
I agree with some of what you said , black metal is subjectively the most extreme form of metal and to quote Count Blagorath aka Shawn "it attracts extreme ideologies" or has band members that like to engage in extreme behavior, I don't agree with censoring music or any kind of censorship in general because once you censor one thing, it starts a domino effect, all shit gets censored.
Then before you know it, there will only be metal albums about carebears and rainbows.
I'm glad you're a free thinker. Everyone seems to be a lazy sheep these days.
Free thinker? The whole video is him saying "I'm one of the GOOD whites, don't hate me!!"
Absolute coward as far as I can see.
i find this to be a problem lately. Is it really impossible for people to separate the art and the artist vs. their freetime / personal beliefs? if you like the music then listen to it lol
Nice video!
One way of seeing this is that in the 80/90:s bands had violence, gore, anti Christian etc to be provocative and it was chocking. It's not chocking anymore and have been beaten to death. To create "chocking" stuff anti-islamic and nazi is the new thing in the western world. It still "chocks" people.
i appreciate how measured you are in this video, compared to others i've seen talking about this and other similar issues. it's nice to hear a level-headed take, lol.
IT'S NOT LEVEL HEADED. IT'S PASSIVE, WHICH IS WEAK.
You are a good man. Stay safe! Cheers from Finland, Petri.
Pretty much a good way of going about it. That Wyatt video just kinda gave me a headache, mostly because of the comments with a bunch of edgelords talking about "sjws" and how black metal is meant to be racist
dalton fordyce and how do you think I feel getting the notifications for those dipshit comments through out my day
@@wyattxhim probably irritated as fuck if youre a sane person.
Excellent video sir and I agree with your take on things. You really got some great points across in a well thought out, well reasoned manner in a very short amount of time. I really respect that.
On a side note I just discovered your channel. The channel trailer video intro I have so many of those exact same cassettes and demos. Just out of curiosity did you order all of those or did you do a zine or a distro or something back in the day? I just wondered because I received a handful of those exact same tapes as promos to review in my fanzine back in the day (still going just no longer a print version). Anyway, keep up the good work I am definitely subscribing to your channel. Cheers.
I can understand your viewpoint. For me, I just listen to what I think sounds good and I don't pay attention to the personal lives of said musicians. No one is perfect and we all got skeletons in our closet.
I think what the majority of people missed from the Banger piece, and it was easy to miss because the point wasn't stated rationally, is not that DSO are an NS band, but that because the members are seemingly kosher with the presence of a known figure within the white power in black metal movement that everyone else is guilty of complicity. As a rational adult, I realize that not everything within culture or music is black and white but in today's international political climate, being complicit is just as bad as being the actual perpetrator of fascist ideas. People can rant and rave all day about how they're mature enough to separate art from the artist, but in my experience as soon as someone's "art" contains politics of ANY type, it becomes propaganda. I'll also be the first to admit that my collection definitely contains leftist propaganda, if that's the definition that I've settled on, but I'm okay with that because it aligns with my own belief system. But again, as a rational adult, I don't go out of my way to make villains out of people that do think it's totally cool to dig NSBM beyond urging them to look further than the riffs and really weigh the impact and import of what they're consuming, and to take second looks at the sources for their consumption.
(1 year later so you might not read this or care but here goes)
What about what I've been hearing, that basically "being nazi" is kind of for show, or part of the aesthetic to shock? Like simply talking about gore, or being against christianity has become passé essentially, but bigotry, now that actually enrages and gets people going. So in a way, can we be sure these artists truly hold these beliefs or could it be part of their "act"? Just something to think about at least
@@alexanderplatypus3664 No, because it doesn't matter if they actually believe it or not. The fact is that they're utilizing their music to spread real life hateful ideologies, which are damaging regardless of the reason behind the lyrics/symbols. If a nazi sympathizer or racist or whatever sees more and more bands doting those symbols they will obviously magnetize toward those bands, while likely also not caring whether or not the members believe in it because at the end of the day it can be interpreted any way they see fit, thus normalizing and encouraging it further.
@@alexanderplatypus3664 Nobody who makes dm goes home to gore people. Gore is shocking not hateful. And Christianity is a choice, an ideology.
But people actually are racist and nazis, and the targets of those morons don't get a choice in the matter, and end up getting treated bad or abused or worse directly by these people in real life. So fuck racism and fuck abusers. If someone is willing to rep that shit with their music (owning somebody else's merchandise is another conversation) just to be edgy and get clout as being a rebel or something, they're small brained as hell and clearly don't have jack to stand on or by anyways.
Great video and gives really something new to the conversation. Gotta correct u, Hornas singer plays keyboards In peste noire.
Very well said. Cheers
I separate the art from the artist. I can like the band but hate them as people.
Yeah you'll hopefully grow out of that.
If the few ns bands I like went out killing black people/Jewish people that would be different. If they did that then I wouldn’t support them.
@@brainsmasher666 I know I won't ever grow out of that because I don't see a need to. I listen to music for the music, I don't listen to the music because I agree with some Nazi assholes views of the world.
you got good points especially the "anti anti" bit
I didn't even find this until now.
Myself, personally, I rarely stop listening to a band over fuckshit. I listen to drill music. Those guys have killed people and brag about it in their songs. I don't really have room to speak on "don't listen to this band, because he said fuckshit 15 years ago".
If you don't wanna support, but you still wanna listen, there's a thing we all did or do sometimes that is perfect for the situation: PIRACY
It's a personal choice whether you stop listening to an artist over fuckshit.
I like far-right bands. I like Satanic bands. I like Pagan bands. I like bands from Europe, Latin America and Asia. I care about their music being cool. When I first got into NS bands I was actually a leftist. It was because the music was good. Though I am not NS now either. I always liked way more Satanic bands than NS bands.
I think it’s mostly a Black Metal problem. Far Right ideology seems to be baked into the philosophical core of the genre.
Good.
Great points. Personally, the new MGLA album should is approprietly titled for this present moment in time . However, "Age of Excuse, Whines and Soft Feelings" is more accurate. Lol. Not that I agree we should hurt each other. We hurt ourselves as much when we attack, hate and outcast. I dont agree with any racist or judgmental views etc. I do think people (some) are giving words too much power these days. The Deathspell Omega thing sucks, but I wasnt a huge enough fan to care honestly. Personally, if the music doesnt reflect any racist, sexist and prejudicial views etc (lyrically, imagery and so on), I could give a shit what the musicians themselves believe. It does make one think twice about buying such records. I respect everyone its not hard to do. I dont understand why some folks carry so much hate. Hate and blame only weigh us down, my friends.
I agree 100% with you. Thanks for sharing this
Thanks for watching! I apreciate the support!
Horna played In someone's backyard, so they got the W, & the Cancel Culture Vultures took an L.
Great video and I also share a similar view on the topic of bands who have or have had members that are racist or whatever their fucked up views are. I look at it like this if I bought the music because I enjoy it why should I stop listening to it if the singer or drummer was in an NS band in the 80s. Not that I would intentionally go out and buy any NS record but if I had one in my collection inadvertently I would keep it and likewise not continue to support them in the future. So again great topic and good to see you making quality vids still cuz god knows there's enuff shit out there lol. Thanks man
Well personally if the music is good i will buy it but cause there is one member who has been a musician in peste noire that personally does not bother me a lot of those guys where in alcest a amazing band who a lot of people love but yeah if you dont buy that record that is your personal choice i am not gonna call someone a pussy or something but yeah i think we can all agree that bangertv their reaction was pretty much overkill by the why love the videos dude
Well said
I think the best thing is to leave everyone's opinions on themselves. Though not NS my friend and I have discussed Death in June to ends. He likes a good chunk of their music and just acknowledges that they are assholes who use fascist and NS imagery but again the music isn't NS. Where as for me the imagery is enough for me to say I'm not going to listen to it, and that has been the end of our discussions. I'm not gonna say "oh hes a nazi for listening to DIJ" cause that's just not how it works and I wish more people put in the time to research these bands and their members' stances instead of just outright saying anyone who listens to it is a Nazi its just dumb. But this video hits pretty much all the points I think are important in this subject
Death In June is very tricky. I'm personally of Jewish descent and when I first saw some of their album art and then especially how some lyrics COULD be interpreted... very very disturbing. But over time I guess I feel more complex on it, and now I believe it's essentially "an act" and Douglas P. is basically "exploring" profound human emotions and societal events more so than actually endorsing or advocating them.
Great video, I enjoy seeing someone discuss this with calmness and nuance for once.
Like you, I have no problem with anyone following their own conscience about what to listen to, but enough with the extremist takes and hysteria. The Banger piece was a total farce. If they didn't want to promote DSO for whatever reason, that is completely understandable. Going ahead with the review but preceding it with that virtuous rant was the worst kind of grandstanding.
BTW, not the world's biggest Horna fan but all the hubbub convinced me to go and support them. Secret location in Chicago, we got an email a few hours before the show with the address. Loved it, made it feel more "underground" and "dangerous", exactly the kind of the thing a black metal audience eats up. Thanks for the good times Antifa! : )
I think people should listen to whatever they want, and opposing the message but respecting the musical talent and quality exists. I’ll turn to RATM if I wanna listen to rap metal just as quickly as I’ll turn to GBK when I want black metal with riffs, despite disagreeing with both of them politically
This was good. Well said
Thank you!
I know this topic is old at this point but I want to just give my two cents. Both sides of this are wrong imo. Too many people calling people sjw's and then you've got the other side calling everyone Nazi's it's stupid. Just because someone listens to a band that has a racist asshole in it doesn't mean they're a Nazi and just because someone doesn't listen to a band for that exact reason it doesn't make them a sjw. I personally don't care what the members of bands believe in or have done because that's not why I listen to the music. I listen to the music for the music not because I believe in what the members are singing about or personally believe in. I listen to bands like Der Sturmer and such but does that mean I believe in what that music is saying or what those members believe in? No I certainly don't. This crap going on with shows being shut down is straight stupid though. If you don't like what one of the members of the band believes in just don't go. Don't try and get the whole show shutdown and ruin it for everyone else.
I've always found it very easy to separate what I know and perceive about a band or artist from the type of music they release. I think it's incredibly ignorant to not like past music by a band just because you found out something disturbing about them later. If you like something you like it and I don't feel you should be having to make excuses, especially to yourself, as to why you no longer like it. At the end of the day though people are fickle and will turn on you over the smallest of things. Especially if you don't match up to the ideas they have of you in their mind. Once they acknowledge you don't you instantly end up on the discard pile. Differences are what make the world go around. As long as you make good music I will admit you are good at your craft. How you are outside the studio is your own business and should be thought apart and separate.
In this day and age personalities and programs in the spotlight go out of their way to be politically correct. I feel like Banger did that intro just to virtue signal that they are on the right side.
That being said, I listen to Black Metal for the music and don't feel like I am here to police others thoughts or actions. It's pretty hard in BM to have a big collection where no member of any band has no ties to someone or something that might be far right. I don't worry about it anymore because I know in my heart I am not a racist, Nazi or pedophile and so far I haven't murdered anyone.
People just need to come to a conclusion if they like a band or not, instead of trying to ruin what other people enjoy, listen to what you like and don't let others treat you like shit for it.
Well said man.
Hehe that intro music sounds like some dating simulation music...not that I would know how that sounds... ;)
It's the Doogie Houser M.D. theme.
@@Ghoulstille hehe ok never seen that one :)
Really, really appreciate this video, man. Too many people just get way too intense about these things (as you should, when it comes to fascism), but the major point that you touched upon is that it's a personal choice what you do. I solute your choice about Horna as well. The most effective way to tell musicians and bands with ideologies that you disagree with to fuck off, is to just not support them. Sure, they might still tour and make records, but they're not getting your dollar, and that's what counts. If others want to support them, let them.
Also, as a side note, I'm accepting your challenge to start making metal reviews here on YT. I'm not in it for the CDs (I collect tapes myself), but I just want to challenge myself to do it because I've been wanting to, but thought against it because there's already so many people doing it. But you're right, there could be more!
love the intro dude
I thought it was pretty clever! Thanks!
The commish
Good going, Big boy!! Glad when adults chime in to kiddie threads! Also, Horna was Doxed because of Shatraug, who's a hefty Finnish man who advocated some Ns stuff on his old label (Ravendark, Hammer "Shoax" etc) and, much like Mikko Aspa, has produced/created some RAC-inspired records (Blutschrei, Finnentum) And marketed and advertised these releases as "NS" if for nothing else than to sell records. You'd know this, of course
F banger, fantano, and Finn of MBA or whatever
Art is art, many artists use images or lyrics that shock people to stay relevant in a certain genre, sell more albums etc. And I really don't see what difference it makes if a member of a band has certain beliefs or ideologies, especially if it doesn't come across in the music. People are becoming way to knit picky and sensitive about things. If I were to only consume art that I had to research every little belief and ideology of the artist and only enjoy it if it matched mine then I'm sure I would miss out on a lot of great things. I think people should be free to support whatever they like and art should be left uncensored.Also Everyone should be able to be proud of their heritage and be able to express it in their art without being labeled as racist, but sadly it has come to that, I don't hear a rap song where the artist is expressing pride about their heritage and automatically think that they are racist, hate all white people, and probably part of some black militant group.
Peste Noire is great. Morals has nothing to do with Art. Art is for Art's sake
Goatmoon is a great project with bad ideologies too.
@@masterjunky863 your wording is very little sophisticated. "Bad" is a broad term, that do not mean nothing per se. Is just perspective
@@MrPepepe666 I am not a native speaker of English and I cannot express myself well in this language. I could say inhuman, cruel, dangerous ideologies.
@@masterjunky863 well, given that blackmetal as a concept must be inhuman, cruel and dangerous, then that ideology seems pretty alike. Dont you think?
@@MrPepepe666 One thing is artistic imagination and one thing is reality. Cannibal Corpse talk about raping dead children but they certainly don't really think it's right, the same is true for many other bands that say horrible things in their lyrics but don't really think so. On the other hand, some black metal bands don't talk about those things only for artistic reasons but also to spread their ideas. They really think that Hitler was a hero and that Europeans are superior (or whatever other bullshit they think). Obviously I don't care and I listen to them anyway, but the fact remains that morally they have horrible ideas.
And anyway they don't think they have cruel and inhuman ideas but right one (obviously). They don't see Nazism as something negative but positive for humanity.
Who gives a shit...If you like it listen to it.
As an avid black metal fan, this entire "cancel culture" movement really affects what you base your life around when everything you enjoy is being attacked. Some greivences with these bands are justified and other complaints are a reach. It's almost like people seek the "gold star" from the antifa peanut gallery if you spot the wrong-doer (according to their code) and go on a moral superiority tirade about it. It annoys the hell out of me. You summed up exactly how I feel about this subject. Calling anyone a nazi just diminishes the weight of the claim. It's like a virtue signaling "boy who cried wolf" scenario. Policing people's thoughts is fascism, plain and simple. It's hard to separate the love you have for bands (over years, as you mentioned) and write it off for good, especially if its secondhand bandwagon driven information. Some things are blatantly wrong, where others are subjective. We can't force anyone to agree with the same feelings we have ourselves and that'sthe main problem here.
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes ye yes THANK YOU!
@@brainsmasher666 New sub here. I enjoy your channel. I think I am a little younger than you (33) but had the same experience with Metal Maniacs magazine and how it connected me to metal. Besides the mag, I used to preview records at FYE to figure out if I should buy them, and look for labels like Nuclear Blast and Century Media. My friends and I would buy records and share/trade them with each other. Who ever was the "richest" could burn copies for the group Lol. My claim to fame was discovering Opeth's Blackwater Park for our group around the time it was released. First Emperor record I bought I hated, then around 17 I gave it another spin, "got it", and it was all black metal from there. Borknagar, Arcturus, Ulver, all of those bands came flooding in. The only download options were track by track on Limewire, and you would have to know what to search for first, so buying records were a lot more likely. Has anyone else caught on to the Doogy Houser theme in your openings? Nice touch Lol
Metal is supposed to be offensive, right ? Well it used to be, and people get offended by NSBM yet love Slayer ( Angel of death, anyone ? ). I listen to the MUSIC, never cared about ANY lyrics - couldn't care less. if it's good, it's good. Maybe cause I'm in my 50's and brought up in a world were nobody got offended...
So...would you say you are offended by my opinion?
@@brainsmasher666 no, because I don't get offended
Cool intro
If its not NSBM its usually weak as piss and not worth listening to in my opinion.
Oh no mean scary music.
BangerTV never said that. It was taking out of proportion. They told about it but they never said that. I watch that episode. Edit: It was Blayne saying that and he is kinda opinionated. So if you watch Blayne you gotta understand he is not the best to get your opininons from. While him saying that did piss me off but it still is a better source for death metal and black metal then shit like MetalSucks, Metal Injection, and Loudwire. Cuz you know they only care what Corey Taylor does.
I don’t care, I love DsO they slap and I will continue listening to them
cool! You do you.
@@brainsmasher666 thanks bud, I love them
Great Piece! But honestly I have to say, who the hell cares. Can we keep politics out of every aspect of life ever. I listen to music to zone out of all this bs
exactly!
Every metal project Aspa has been a part of is great. Peste Noire is even better actually.
Sure ok, your opinion, but the guy is an absolute scum bag piece of shit and I choose not to support him or his art. Pretty simple.
@@brainsmasher666 Peste are great guys and love their country, culture and people. I know their drummer very well and he is the nicest person you will ever meet. It’s ridiculous that you don’t know anything about these guys and yet you still feel the need to trash them on the internet. Communism killed 100 million people all over the world. Are RABM absolute trash as well? Don’t hear you crying about them.
I guess I'm on the "SJW" side of this issue cuz I actually thought it was really funny when banger just straight up mocked Deathspell for it's associations when bands with said associations constantly fly by the radar and continue making money. I also watched Wyatt's video and I gotta say, I'm not very compelled by a Deathspell fan with a Deathspell flag in the background assuring me that it's stupid to care about the fact that the singer of a band is into snuff and shock-value Nazism cuz he's just the singer and the other two guys do most of the work. That said, I agree with you that nobody is under any obligation to throw out their CDs and it isn't fair to call someone a Nazi because they have a sketchy artist in their collection. Artists that thousands of people listen to have always had moral failings that people have been able to condemn while still appreciating their music. The real problem is that often these moral failings go un-called out while that artist is still making money and shoring up celebrity influence. Nobody is perfect so the fact that whenever an artist being REALLY not perfect is pointed out, most people's reaction is to fly off the handle on twitter about "wokeness" and "cancel culture" is much more a testament to the power celebrity artists have over our perception of the world than it is actual proof of a woke mob. I've litterally seen people in FB groups dedicated to anti-fascism in underground music do backflips arguing that Faust must regret committing a hate crime because he went to jail for it, in my opinion simply to justify listening to and gushing over Emperor. My byline would really be the same as yours, be as conscious as possible about what artists you support, with the caveat that you should always be honest about that artist's major ethical failings.
agreed, although i think artists being bad people is near unavoidable for some reason? a lot of mainstream dudes have done stupid shit, just not nazi shit... crazy the moral gymnastics black metal dudes do to excuse this. so many sympathizers in the scene
bro u probably lost half of the ppl watching this the moment u said "privilege", good for u tho
Btw it's subjective opinion when it comes from your point of view, it's not informative unless you have facts or sources to back it up. Obviously bangertv or metalinjection and all these others don't have facts unless they have a direct quote or comment from the artist claiming they are in fact associated with NS. Honestly, being a nationalist isn't bad, the only time I stop supporting a artist is when they are guilty and charged with child abuse, pedophilia.
Being proud of your heritage if your white seems to be racist anymore. It sucks.
Nazism is your heritage? Do you I guess.
You didn't really speak against it. You kind of went along with it. That's why i'm getting sick of this scene. You all just passively go along with it. It's fucking weak. Do what thou wilt has to do with your higher self, not "doing what you want".
ehhh no
metal is getting infested with alot of SJW's
And edgelord stereotypes, like you.
Totally agree! Black metal is extreme, if they don't like it they can go listen to Slipknot or hip hop!
@@bigfat4172 It's not really edgy if it's true. Shutting down shows because you don't like a band's ideology should be the ideal of an SJW.
@@BlasphemousVerses i didnt say anything about shutting down shows lol. I just think this whole "bleh sjws are ruining my life" sentiment is fucking retarded and overdone. Like Jesus if i wanted to hear a bunch of offended people complain about purple haired pasty college kids hurting their feelings I'd just watch jordan peterson and Steven Crowder all day.
@@bigfat4172 You're an obvious idiot. They are making moves to prevent people from playing shows and sell merch. It is ruining bands. And i'm really sick of hearing about it.
Dammit. I thought you were one of those rare American black metal fans who isn't a 'progressive'.
Well then this is your fault.
Because suddenly being progressive is a dirty word.
@@Ghoulstille In its popular usage of describing tradition-wrecking psychotic millennials, yes, it is!
@@EyeOfWoden i thought wrecking tradition and being psychotic are pretty metal...
@@13tuyuti Tell that to every band with a spikey white logo, demonic artwork and bullet belts.
Fuck anything that isn't hardcore nsbm. Everything else is just backing down to me now
Pushing me further towards collecting nazi memorabilia every time anyone talks about this stuff
Funny how people are so offended by Deathspell but have no issue with Neckbeard Deathcamps related project $lutrot. People are full of shit. I know this is old but its an ongoing conversation and glad to hear your views. I am somewhat similar as I use to wear a Thunderbolt shirt and was definitely apathetic about shit as a kid but today I'm a bit more careful where I put my money. With that said, Walknut Graveforest and Their Shadows remains the best Atmospheric Black Metal album of all time and thinking this crap matters is just pathetic white people crap. No other group gives a shit what you listen to and your favorite musicians views. Most people are too busy just living their lives.
I do think it needs to be pointed out how hypocritical it all is. Listening to Nokturnal Mortum does not make you racist, nor does reading Lovecraft.
surprisingly good take, these are unfortunately rare whenever NSBM is discussed...
so long as you arent a racist idiot already you could literally listen to full on white power music all day everyday and that shit wouldnt make you a nazi...
it just isnt about the music. the problem is supporting these guys with 💰 thats all (especially considering the involvement a lot of them have with white nationalist movements outside of the BM scene lol)
so tl;dr everyone needs to STFU just pirate the music of "sketchy"/nazi bands so you dont end up giving money to the azov batallion or some shit and its all good