It can be a number a reasons. It could be perhaps that it's too similar to Pirahna Plant Slide. It could be that 2 Pirahna Plant Tracks (Cove & Pipeline) could be too redundant in 1 Wave. But I think that the most likely reason of all is that the Anti-Gravity Mechanics, if the track were to be utilized as a Anti-Gravity majority track, have not be tweaked for 360 degree areas like the inside and outside of cylindercal areas like pipes. As Albert Boris once said, maybe when Nintendo tried to implement Pirahna Plant Pipeline into Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, things got a bit to way too janky for the track to be played in. So with Nintendo in need of a track and it probably being too late to tweak anything to make Pirahna Plant Pipeline playable, they chose an enitrely different track. Case in point, 3DS Rosalina's Ice World. A possible sad case of "Close, but no cigar." for what is basically, for now, the only Mario Kart Tour-exclusive course (aside from the RMX courses, as well as Trick, Reverse, and Reverse Trick variants of all courses). But of course, I could be wrong on all that. All in all, if anything, if Nintendo still wants to preserve Pirahna Plant Pipeline, I believe thet're likely going to save it for the next Mario Kart installment for the next Nintendo console.
Agreed honestly after playing it in tour, it was easily the most disappointing and worst Tour Nitro that wasn't a city vs Rosalina's Ice World which is a very great course so yeah I'm fine losing a weaker course
from what i've heard from modders, Pipeline was the hardest track to port from Tour because it lead to crazy camera angles that made it super hard to drive on, that's my theory as to why Nintendo dropped it for Daisy Circuit.
Cove definitely had nothing to do with it. It's 100% due to the extremely jank camera. Also personally I think Daisy Circuit was the replacement. There's a tendency to add a wintery track each wave.
@@ZombieManFmy personal theory is that the mystery scrapped GCN course was mushroom bridge. The devs may have pulled it from tour and put it into MK8, just to realize how janky/lame the course is. It especially makes sense if it was originally planned for wave 5 and moonview highway (mushroom bridge’s big brother) was originally planned for wave 6.
@@rustyshackleford234 But... why would they have planned Mushroom Bridge for Wave 5 at all? It may have originally been a Flower Cup track, but I think everyone on Earth agrees that it's very simple. I don't see why they would have planned for Daisy Cruiser before Mushroom Bridge to begin with.
Here's the thing: Nintendo will never please everybody, unless they put every single track of every game into one game. I think Pipeline being cut is more of a shame because it will be stuck in Tour until maybe the next game, beyond that, I don't think is much of a lost. MK8D is essentially a "everybody is here" for Mario Kart now and the next game will struggle a lot in pleasing the fans, because a lot will be missing.
The next Mario Kart game will be seen as a breath of fresh air by the older Mario Kart fans, even though we'll revert back to 32 tracks. But hey, the next Mario Kart will have better gameplay and a better starting roster with fewer clone characters
Thematically, it makes sense to replace Piranha Plant Pipeline with Roslina's Ice World. This final wave will be released during Winter, and the juxtaposition of a fire and ice course within the same cup brings a lot of variety. Furthermore, Piranha Plant Pipeline has a similar feel to many other tracks. Honestly, thank god it's not included.
So Pipeline has a similar feel yet Ice World doesn't? Not only are there multiple other winter tracks in the game, but this one isn't even that unique. If anything, it's just Sherbet Land again but with the Comet Observatory in the background. Pipeline isn't even super similar to Piranha Plant Slide, outside of the fact that they are both pipe themed courses and have "Piranha Plant" in the title (which, btw, the Japanese name translates to "Pipe Canyon", which fits so much better and the English was most likely a mistranslation).
I mean we already have Piranha Plant Slide which is one of my favorite tracks so I’m fine with it. I’d rather play more varied and unique tracks than two tracks with the same concept
I remember seeing someone say on a piranha plant pipeline mod video asking for antigrav, an mk8 modder said that it wouldn't be possible due to how mk8's antigrav works. I'm guessing that in the next Mario Kart game they could overhaul the antigrav system so that a full 360 degree pipe would be possible to drive around.
Pipeline would've had anti-grav anyway because anti-grav keeps you from flying off the ground which would stop you from hitting your head on the pipe at the start of the course (something Koopa Cape also does). It's really dumb how no custom tracks have added anti-grav yet simply because it can't be 360°.
Chances are they got rid of it because it worked jankily in MK8. Maybe by the next game it'll have a remake that plays (and looks) better, especially since by then they likely won't have another retro Piranha Plant track for it to possibly overlap
I honestly am glad we didn't get Pipeline. Not a bad track, but I would not have been a fan of having the two Pirhana Plant tracks in the same wave, plus it's too similar to Slide from 3DS. It is kind of odd that we didn't get it though, but I will gladly take another 3DS track.
I’m really happy that Nintendo is adding 3DS Rosalina’s Ice World for wave 6, though Piranha Plant Pipeline would’ve been a cool track to add as well. However, I can understand why it didn’t make it to the BCP: -It would have been indeed weird to have 2 Piranha Plant related tracks in wave 6. -Being a sort of sequel to 3DS Piranha Plant Slide, Nintendo could have possibly thought that the track was way too similar to it for them to include it. -Or (probably the most logical reason behind the change) the track was well indeed planned for the last wave of the BCP, but then something went wrong, forcing Nintendo to change the track. Another reason could also be the difficulty of porting the track over from MKT, because of the crazy camera angles this track has. Needless to say though that I’m sure that this track will come back in the next Mario Kart game, or the next BCP (if Nintendo decides to do so, which I think, is probably unlikely).
My personal theory is that it was originally planned to be in the BCP, but when the devs pulled it into MK8 from tour they noticed how janky and buggy it was, and that it wouldn’t work properly in MK8’s physics. So they scrapped it and replaced it with Rosalina’s ice world.
It's because of marketing as a whole. Pipeline isn't new, Pipeline conflicts with Cove and Pipeline isn't as interesting as any of the other non-cities. They instead prioritized a marketable Wii course and a course perfect for the Winter season. People will blame jank but that stuff is majorly overblown and I mean technical issues didn't stop Sunset Wilds now did they. Marketing has been a visibly major factor in BCP's track picks since Wave 1 had a major focus on Coconut Mall and Pipeline's exclusion is no exception.
the difference between technical issues in Sunset Wilds vs Pipeline is that Sunset Wilds was still playable and recognizable, even without the dynamic sunset (;-;) but Pipeline has issues on the gameplay level that even modders mentioned would be a problem
@Crafty_boy70 Pipeline's issues can be summed up as the camera focusing on the floor for like 5 seconds per lap lmao I've seen footage and they could've absolutely had it work well enough
@F7jin I've seen Pipeline custom tracks, and yes they're a little janky but not even remotely to the point where they'd realistically scrap it for that. Hell the only issue I consider massive with current Pipeline custom tracks is that drivers can hit their head on the pipe upon entering it which they've already shown with Cape can be easily fixed by just adding in anti-grav to that section.
@ryderkartdx It can be a number a reasons. It could be perhaps that it's too similar to Pirahna Plant Slide. It could be that 2 Pirahna Plant Tracks (Cove & Pipeline) could be too redundant in 1 Wave. But I think that the most likely reason of all is that the Anti-Gravity Mechanics, if the track were to be utilized as a Anti-Gravity majority track, have not be tweaked for 360 degree areas like the inside and outside of cylindercal areas like pipes. As Albert Boris once said, maybe when Nintendo tried to implement Pirahna Plant Pipeline into Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, things got a bit to way too janky for the track to be played in. So with Nintendo in need of a track and it probably being too late to tweak anything to make Pirahna Plant Pipeline playable, they chose an enitrely different track. Case in point, 3DS Rosalina's Ice World. A possible sad case of "Close, but no cigar." for what is basically, for now, the only Mario Kart Tour-exclusive course (aside from the RMX courses, as well as Trick, Reverse, and Reverse Trick variants of all courses). But of course, I could be wrong on all that. All in all, if anything, if Nintendo still wants to preserve Pirahna Plant Pipeline, I believe thet're likely going to save it for the next Mario Kart installment for the next Nintendo console.
Here's my theory I think Pipeline was planned for 8DX however when they went to play test it it was super janky with 8DXs physics so they scrapped it in favor for Rosalina's Ice World
this is so true, I also came up with exaclty this. No one wants to believe me due to the filenames, but honestly they can name stuff whatever. I find it hard to believe the not-even-finished-in-the-trailer track is apparently the 'intended' one while we have the other one who is visually much stronger and more finished, clearly had thought put into it, and is an actual gamestyle and difficulty that matches the final Wave. (With gamestyle I mean it's a track of a gamestyle that actually doesn't have waaayyy too many courses already.)
I agree with your theory that Daisy Circuit replaced Piranha Plant Pipeline to put it simply: The canceled nitro assuming it was planned, was replaced by Moonview Highway. This in turn, filled Mushroom Bridge’s niche and was ultimately canceled despite being originally planned, so they replaced Mushroom Bridge with Rosalina’s Ice World. Late into development, Piranha Plant Pipeline may not have functioned well as originally believed thus Daisy Circuit was brought back which was simpler to bring back than Dry Dry Ruins making this the true last minute decision track in the DLC, minus Moonview Highway and Rosalina’s Ice World which also originally may not have been planned. Before the final prefixes are revealed Wednesday night, I believe these will be the final prefixes: Rome Avanti is cnsw_51 and Madrid Drive is cnsw_54 or vice versa Mushroom Bridge was originally cnsw_56 but was instead replaced with Rosalina’s Ice World Bowser’s Castle 3 is cnsw_57 Piranha Plant Cove is cnsw_64 DK Mountain is cnsw_66 Piranha Plant Pipeline was originally cnsw_67 but was instead replaced with Daisy Circuit And Wii Rainbow Road is cnsw_68
Daisy Circuit replacing Pipeline makes a lot more sense now upon really thinking it over. Usually when they do a showcase of the Waves, they always tease the new wave with a Tour Nitro (Only exception to this was Wave 1 but that was because it had Coconut Mall and the meme probably played into it being the first one shown). Wave 2 had Sky High Sundae, Wave 3 had Merry Mountain, Wave 4 had Yoshi's Island, and Wave 5 had Squeaky Clean Sprint. So to then have Wave 6 get teased with Daisy Circuit instead of the usual Nitro, it felt odd. But now that you said that it replaced Pipeline, it now puts the missing piece to this otherwise weird puzzle of why Daisy Circuit was chosen to tease Wave 6 rather than something like Cove (Which you if you ask me they should've done but oh well).
another possibility is that they may be adding a few more smaller dlc packs like they did for the original MK8 and just have a couple of sets of 2 cups with additional characters and stuff, there's definitely still enough content from tour that people will still want and the switch will likely end that same year so them adding that little bit more could give 8 a bit more longevity and a bit of a safety net in case their next generation goes the gamecube and wii u route
At first I was sad cause I love Pipeline, but damn 3DS deserved and needed another good track. We only got 3 and 2 of them suck. Also, it definitely wasn’t cancelled cause of the name, it’s only an issue in other countries plus they’re completely different tracks. I think it was cut cause it’d be way too janky and the camera would be horrible.
@@Ibalistic_hedge No the only good one was 3DS RR. Rock Rock Mountain is so mid you just spend most of the time gliding. Don't see how that's thrilling gameplay.
@@joshslater2426 Compared to most opening tracks it is good, but for a paid DLC meant to attract people to buy it, it was a horrible choice. Especially since at the time they only gave us 3 3DS tracks.
@@mailpaper7754 bc that's the whole point of the track, to glide. If you know how to utilize the glider to it's full extent, you'd enjoy the track more. You also spend a lot of time gliding in rainbow road.
My guess is that Pipeline might have issues with the camera for Mario Kart 8 and it would look pretty much janky for this course. When you think about it, Pipeline felt like it was made just before Nintendo said that they're done with the nitros and Mario Kart Tour is ending new content in a few months. You do remember that we were originally going to have 3 Nitros and 2 GCNs in Wave 6 originally, and when you look at it now... Pipeline was destined to be the new N64 Wario Stadium of Mario Kart. The theme is too similar to 3DS Piranha Plant Slide/Pipeway, Piranha Plant Cove already exists and is the better of the two nitros and when you think about Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, jank would practically be the word to describe Pipeline. The physics in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is drastically different to Tours, especially with the halfpipes and the cameras. Based off the prefix leak, Wave 6 was clearly the wave that didn't get prepared for the GCN Waluigi Stadium mishap. Luckily the courses they had as backups were a couple of fan favourites from the Wii (cause that game is over-represented) and an underrated gem of 3DS Rosalina's Ice World which felt perfect as a surprise course. A surprise that people will slowly appreciate... just like Rosalina herself being quite slow to warm up to around others. Would it have been different? Yes. Am I sad that Pipeline got the cut? Yes and No. Do I like 3DS Rosalina's Ice World? Yes. I played Mario Kart 7 during my 2 years at college on the old classic 3DS.
There's two problems with your theory. Firstly, they can rename Pipeline to Warp Pipe Canyon. They renamed one of the Mario Party mini games in Top 100 and Superstars Secondly, why couldn't they just put Pipeline in Wave 5 and put SCS and Cove in Wave 6 instead? I still believe that Rosalina's Ice World might replace it because Daisy Circuit was finished at the last two weeks of October, just like (SNES) Bowser's Castle 3, where (3DS) Rosalina's Ice World was in Tour since the beginning.
I 100% agree. Whether the next game is Mario Kart 10 or another Deluxe port of a past game (crossing my fingers for Double Dash), Pipeline will be there.
TBH, pipeline probably wouldn't have been possible in 8 deluxe. It probably would have been very broken. It would have been Jankier than DK Snowboard Cross. Pipeline will probably be in the next game along with the proper remake retros in tour that didn't come to the BCP. Also, we should have got Dry dry ruins instead of daisy circuit.
There is a custom track that actually does make the track function properly with an additional visual overhaul! It was definitely possible, it might’ve just been cut due to time restraints, complaints about over-saturation, or simply being saved for the next game
Everything you said at the “The Realization” section I agree with. Leaving out one Tour track when everything else got in is like leaving out one puzzle piece from a puzzle and never complete it. There’s only one way to rectify this catastrophe: Pipeline doesn’t exist. There we go. Now ALL the Tour tracks are in and I won’t accept counter arguments.
Calling it Piranha Plant Pipeline was such a misnomer. It should've just been called by it's Japanese name Warp Pipe Canyon, or even Warp Pipe Pipeline.
I am very happy that Rosalina's Ice World will be in the Booster Course pass, for one reason and one reason only: Rosalina is my favorite video game character of all time. Also, I donated my old 3DS to my school toy drive last year. Now I can once again revisit Rosalina's Ice World whenever I want.
the camera angle in pipeline is really awkward as well as some of the elements to the track like the shaking pipe. that plus antigravity wouldn't work. So to put pipeline in there with those issues wouldn't be fitting for A final wave of DLC.
Personally, I think that Piranha Plant Pipeline was added to Tour just to give us that scrapped DS track, but not to be part of BCP Perhaps it was hard to program, the half pipe zone (literal half pipe, not like the blue stripe but the pipe in the half) had potential for anti gravity, but maybe it was too hard I'm just guessing, I never liked the track, only its music and the clear pipe, beyond that, I don't like it, but I'm sorry for its fans
The thing I especially don’t understand is the hatred Piranha Plant Pipeline got after it’s exclusion was confirmed as none of that existed prior to this being confirmed.
Theory-- What if we get a Mario Kart Ultimate for the Switch 2 which includes every course made? In this case theyre currently remaking every course, using Tour models for most, thus why the courses look better each wave: theyre all being improved and improved for a future release. This would explain how a course like Piranha Plant Pipeline, and many fan favorites, didn't make it; theyre saving them for the new game. The BCP and Tour can act as a way to affectively make up for the high costs of making the game (buying the BCP now and full ultimate later would cost $85 -- more likely to pay for the BCP and then full game later instead of paying $85 all at once).
I agree with Albert Boris tbh, at least I think it was him who said that he thought it was because they tried to add it, but it was janky, which makes sense, especially since my theory originally was that piranha plant pipeline was gonna be the one track that's made with anti-gravity, or at least proper anti gravity rather than just one slope or something having it, but that probably didn't work out too well with how the track is designed, which would also make sense to why it's only that track, it was one of the later ones so they wouldn't have known it would be janky, and wouldn't have also replaced the other tour tracks as there was nothing wrong with them, plus, with everyone hated sunset wilds, and that was just broken visually, I don't think people would like a track that's broken gameplay wise lol, tho that's just a theory of course, there's not really any way to prove it, and I do agree it is strange they didn't include it if it was for a different reason and is kinda sad too
Okay, is there anyone else who thinks they will curveball everyone with a final cup, unlocked when people complete all tracks. If that were to happen, the tracks included would probably be fan favorites from mk trour: Luigis mansion Airship fortress Dry Dry ruins piranha plant pipeline
I could see: Mushroom Bridge Luigis Mansion Airship Fortress Pipeline I doubt this will happen but I hope, having 100 tracks to advertise in a game is too good a marketing ploy
Same; Pipeline always felt a little bit like they put less effort into it, like the creators just werent a fan of it either, but completed it enough to put it out in tour. Could make for a fun track in MK9 with a proper remastering tho
Petey was in Wave 5 simply so he could be next to King Boo on the CSS, it absolutely wasn't "the original plan" because not only were characters clearly not initially planned but SCS is the Wave 5 nitro internally anyway meaning it was always planned to be there over Cove.
Honestly piranha plant pipeline is nothing like cove even if they are piranha plant, but even then why replace it with the 5th snow course of the BCP, now wave 1 is the only wave with one.
My theory here is that Pipeline wasn't playing as well in 8 Deluxe's engine as Nintendo hoped for, with wonky camera angles and problems with half-pipes and anti-gravity, so they had to pick a course to replace it with. I believe Rosalina's Ice World was the replacement for the 4th GCN course, and Daisy Circuit is the replacement for Piranha Plant Pipeline. It's the least interesting course of the Wave, so they chucked it into the teaser to get it out of the way, and for Wii pandering. Plus, why else would Daisy Circuit look significantly less polished than the rest of Wave 6? Could it be because it replaced a planned Tour course and the devs were crunched for time to polish Daisy Circuit up for the September Direct Teaser? Edit: Guess I should've watched the video before writing the theory down, because wow, mine is basically the same as yours.
I think the camera was too janky. If you look at mods of the track for 8dx the camera is always focused on the ground and you can barely see where you are going. I think the track will make a return as a proper remake in mk10 tho. I'm very happy Ice World got in,as it's one of my favourite tracks on the 3ds,it's more 3ds rep and I always found pipeline rather mid.
Piranha Plant Cove could have come in Wave 5. It might seem slightly odd that they have similar names, but they aren’t similar courses. I think they should have just added it regardless. I have two curiosities, not to be mistaken for theories. 1. The gimmick in Mario Kart 10 is more fitting for this track, or more likely; 2. The alternate routes for Pipeline weren’t ready in time.
Also just so everyone knows the name of the track Piranha Plant Pipeline is misleading as it’s original name in Japanese is Warp Pipe Canyon so really I don’t think the name had anything to do with it.
We would’ve had two Piranha plant tracks…is that necessary? Plus that would be 4 tour tracks, technically all of these tracks are from tour but still. Rosalina Ice World is way more interesting imo. I’ll take Cove over Pineline anyday sorry. It wasn’t cut, it was never official to be in Wave 6 from Nintendo.
I think they will for the main 4 retro tracks have 2 SNES, 1 N64, 2 GBA, 2 GCN, 2 DS, 2 Wii, 2 3DS, and 2 from the MK8 since I feel like it would be WiiU but it is also on the Switch so the prefix is hard to figure out but that leaves 15/16 non repeat tracks so I think that one was to be the last one needed since the 4 base extra tracks was a mix and if they have the same amount of cups as the BCP, those ones would be the fan favorites that probably hasn’t been used over two times. Maybe have the RMX but they do not look as good as the originals or as memorable.
I just find it bizarre that all the nitro and city tracks in the booster course pass are all that MK tour had to offer as new in its lifetime, the other stuff just being retro tracks, you'd expect a TON more new courses in a mobile game that's been out for 4 years. Unity being very easy to work on and all that.
piranha plant cove and piranha plant pipeline have absolutely nothing in common besides the name, there's no chance it was because of variety issues. pipeline shouldnt have even been called that it has like 2 plants in it and is more focused on the pipes, the japan translated name pipe canyon is a much better name and no one wouldve even related the 2 nitros if that's what it was called in english. i dont know why it was cut but it certainly isnt because the tracks are too similar
Has no one thought it wasn't added because the UK version of piranha plant slide is called piranha plant pipeway, so they didn't want tracks that sound basically the same as each other (would be a stretch considering the 5 rainbow roads in the game but still)
Unpopular opinion I think but I kinda wish none of the tour tracks made it in. I hate that the BCP was heavily favouring tour tracks and took up so many spaces. They should’ve all been retro tracks.
What else would they put though, a bajillion circuits and SNES and 3DS tracks? The whole reason the BCP exists was because of how much easier it was to port stuff from Tour and refurbish them for MK8
I honestly doubt Pipeline will be a retro in the next game. There are so many other tracks that deserve to return, and having only 1 Tour track return in the next game would be kinda strange
Here's what I think: 1. The name and theme has nothing to do with the cancellation. We have 5 Rainbow Roads in the game, and the Japenese name translates to "Pipe Canyon" meaning that the English name was most likely just a mistranslation. 2. The main reason for its cancellation is that it just didn't work with 8DX's mechanics. The only way to get it to work is to change the layout, which is too much to do with the time they had, meaning it'll probably be in the next game. 3. I agree with the theory that Daisy Circuit replaced it. Ice World looked too finished to be done last minute, and we already had a Wii track in this wave. That also answers why they picked that over something actually interesting like Airship Fortress or Luigi's Mansion as they needed a simple course they could just reuse a lot of assets on. Personally, I would've preferred them to do Mushroom Bridge and just swap Ice World and DK Mountain's spots, but maybe that's just me. 4. This is more on the topic of Ice World, but I still question why they chose that one when they could've brought back Airship Fortress or Luigi's Mansion. Ice World isn't a bad choice by any means, but it doesn't really have anything that makes it stand out unlike one of the two I mentioned.
That’s funny you mentioned mushroom bridge, as my personal theory is that mushroom bridge was the scrapped GCN course that was originally planned for wave 5, but was moved into wave 6 in favor of moonview highway. My guess is that Rosalina’s ice world ended up replacing it early on. They probably figured mushroom bridge wouldn’t work well in MK8 or they realized it’s a lame choice for a wave 6 track lmao
@@rustyshackleford234 I also believe it was planned at some point but scrapped, and I don't really know why. Yeah it might've not been interesting for Wave 6, but it was more interesting than Daisy Circuit.
Unpopular opinion all the Nitro tracks added to the BCP like Ninja Hideaway,Yoshi Island and Squeaky Clean Sprint should have been saved for Mario Kart X and their spots should have been filled by retros fans wanted like DS Airship Fortress,DS Luigi's Mansion and Wii Toad's Factory just to name a few
I think it’s lame they choose peachette instead of Nabbit the roster could use more Purple characters plus it would have tied with his appearance in Wonder
A theory I have seen online is that we are getting a secret cup to make the total track number in MK8D 100, if that happens i think we will get Piranha Plant Pipeline, Dino Dino Jungle, Airship Fortress and another fan favourite
That makes no sense. They would not do this without marketing and given we're getting Wave 6 faster than expected, no way in Hell would a secret Wave be ready in time alongside it without crunch culture.
I’m personally hoping this theory is correct, it would end it off perfectly imo (replace Dino Dino with Toad’s Factory tho) THE PERFECT 100 IS RIGHT THERE!
Honestly mushroom bridge is a pretty lame course, if they wanted to add it, they should’ve back in wave 1 or 2. Plus moonview highway does exactly what mushroom bridge does but better. Also if we wanted a traffic course from double dash we should’ve gotten mushroom city.
of all 3DS tracks they could've added... it's Rosalina's Ice World. Like, I am sorry, but it's one of thé most mid tracks EVER. Why it when 3DS has so many more interesting tracks? Also it's interesting to note; if you include squeaky clean sprint, piranaplant cove, ninja hideaway, merry mountain, sky-high sundae, and yoshi's island as tour tracks (since they are named as if they are nitro tracks, but all of them are either from tour, or released at roughly the same time as their tour variants)... the amount of tour tracks in the game is EQUAL to the amount of truly new/nitro tracks (or more if you exclude the nitro tracks in the MK8 DLC, such as hyrule castle, big blue, wild woods etc).
Im no genius and yes they got better tracks that fit in place of RIW but since they chose a 3DS track, Ice World was their best option to pick from in the sense of "we need good tracks that pack difficulty" since this is the last wave of the dlc
I agree with your theory, EXCEPT when you brought up Mushroom Bridge. I think what's more likely is that DK Mountain was planned for Wave 5, and Dino Dino Jungle was planned for Wave 6. However, at some point during development, they replaced DDJ with Rosalina's Ice World.
I dont think they would've ever made the BCP had Tour not existed, so complaining about city tracks is kinda pointless and after 2 years, even more so.
It just goes against the entire point of the DLC imo - I always took the Booster Pass to be a way to preserve the nitro Tour tracks before the app shut down, with some retros as a bonus, so it makes no sense for Pipeline to not be here
I think they removed it because they didn’t want 2 piranha plant tracks in the same wave and it looks identical to piranha plant slide so I’m guessing that’s why they removed it
Theory: Like many have been theorising; there is a secret cup. (Since there's only 94 tracks, and 4 more would make 100.) The tracks that will appear in the cup are *partially* hinted in game already. 1) Piranha Plant Pipeline. (the asset with the Fuzzies are seen in Rome Avanti, plus the starting line has the modern Mario Kart logo.) 2) Airship Fortress. (The asset for the Rocky Wrenches are in the game, as seen on the same track.) 3) Dino Dino Jungle (First of all, it's seen literally everywhere, from Squeeky Clean Sprint to Coconut Mall. Second of all, It's a fan favourite. And third of all, ik Koopa Troopa Beach was seen in Sunshine Airport but that isn't everywhere unlike Dino Dino Jungle.) 4) Shy Guy Bazar (ik it's far fetched. BUT it's said it went unused in the original Wii U version, so perhaps it can be brought back? Who knows. It's the only 4th track I can think of that's highly possible lol) (Note: this could be wishful thinking for all I know lmao, but it's a theory I hope you guys are intrigued by.)
I don't agree with this, not your argument but Nintendo's logic. If they didn't want two piranha plant tracks in the same wave, why didn't cove come sooner, or better yet, why name a track that has very little to do with piranha plants aesthetically after them? It's the same way I look at Sunset Wilds: if the lighting engine doesn't allow light changes (therefore mimic sunsets as you complete laps), why ad the track which its main gimmick is to change lighting? It's just baffling to me and it bothers me as well how only 1 Tour track doesn't make an appearance in the whole pass. Oh, and Daisy Circuit possibly being the one that replaced PP Pipeline is also annoying on top of that because I'm sick of the Wii pandering.
Let me know down below your thoughts and theories as to what happened to the track!
It can be a number a reasons.
It could be perhaps that it's too similar to Pirahna Plant Slide.
It could be that 2 Pirahna Plant Tracks (Cove & Pipeline) could be too redundant in 1 Wave.
But I think that the most likely reason of all is that the Anti-Gravity Mechanics, if the track were to be utilized as a Anti-Gravity majority track, have not be tweaked for 360 degree areas like the inside and outside of cylindercal areas like pipes.
As Albert Boris once said, maybe when Nintendo tried to implement Pirahna Plant Pipeline into Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, things got a bit to way too janky for the track to be played in.
So with Nintendo in need of a track and it probably being too late to tweak anything to make Pirahna Plant Pipeline playable, they chose an enitrely different track.
Case in point, 3DS Rosalina's Ice World.
A possible sad case of "Close, but no cigar." for what is basically, for now, the only Mario Kart Tour-exclusive course (aside from the RMX courses, as well as Trick, Reverse, and Reverse Trick variants of all courses).
But of course, I could be wrong on all that.
All in all, if anything, if Nintendo still wants to preserve Pirahna Plant Pipeline, I believe thet're likely going to save it for the next Mario Kart installment for the next Nintendo console.
Albert Boris also said
Why don’t they just rename them? Pipeline is not Pirahna plant themed.
I prefer Warp Pipe Canyon as the name. Hheheeh
I think it’s because Nintendo wants to do a true remake of the course in the next MarioKart installment.
Unpopular opinion but I'm glad Rosalina's Ice World is getting in over it.
me too
Same too many your tracks already
Same
Agreed honestly after playing it in tour, it was easily the most disappointing and worst Tour Nitro that wasn't a city vs Rosalina's Ice World which is a very great course so yeah I'm fine losing a weaker course
Same
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that was likely intentional so that they could show funky kong off without a glider being sorta predominant on the screen
yeah, and if you see later in the teaser, the glider activates for pauline
from what i've heard from modders, Pipeline was the hardest track to port from Tour because it lead to crazy camera angles that made it super hard to drive on, that's my theory as to why Nintendo dropped it for Daisy Circuit.
Yeah I noticed how just awful the camera angles are for the course in tour.
Cove definitely had nothing to do with it. It's 100% due to the extremely jank camera.
Also personally I think Daisy Circuit was the replacement. There's a tendency to add a wintery track each wave.
I agree, I think Rosalina's Ice World replaced the other GCN track instead (probably Dino Dino Jungle).
@@ZombieManF They did not have both Jungle courses
@@generalcrab0009 I think they did tho
@@ZombieManFmy personal theory is that the mystery scrapped GCN course was mushroom bridge. The devs may have pulled it from tour and put it into MK8, just to realize how janky/lame the course is. It especially makes sense if it was originally planned for wave 5 and moonview highway (mushroom bridge’s big brother) was originally planned for wave 6.
@@rustyshackleford234 But... why would they have planned Mushroom Bridge for Wave 5 at all? It may have originally been a Flower Cup track, but I think everyone on Earth agrees that it's very simple. I don't see why they would have planned for Daisy Cruiser before Mushroom Bridge to begin with.
9:54 I don’t think they showed of Funky Kong’s glider because they want to show his trick animations
I actually wanted Rosalina's Ice World since the very beginning of the BCP and I'm happy that it's finally here
Me too.
I’d be fine with any of the 3DS courses lmao
Here's the thing: Nintendo will never please everybody, unless they put every single track of every game into one game. I think Pipeline being cut is more of a shame because it will be stuck in Tour until maybe the next game, beyond that, I don't think is much of a lost.
MK8D is essentially a "everybody is here" for Mario Kart now and the next game will struggle a lot in pleasing the fans, because a lot will be missing.
The next Mario Kart game will be seen as a breath of fresh air by the older Mario Kart fans, even though we'll revert back to 32 tracks. But hey, the next Mario Kart will have better gameplay and a better starting roster with fewer clone characters
Thematically, it makes sense to replace Piranha Plant Pipeline with Roslina's Ice World. This final wave will be released during Winter, and the juxtaposition of a fire and ice course within the same cup brings a lot of variety. Furthermore, Piranha Plant Pipeline has a similar feel to many other tracks. Honestly, thank god it's not included.
Yes, because it'll be winter in the whole world, right?
@@gbrlsnchs Well for the majority of Mario kart players so yeah my point is still valid😒
A winter themed track
@@gbrlsnchs As far as Nintendo is concerned, yes
So Pipeline has a similar feel yet Ice World doesn't? Not only are there multiple other winter tracks in the game, but this one isn't even that unique. If anything, it's just Sherbet Land again but with the Comet Observatory in the background. Pipeline isn't even super similar to Piranha Plant Slide, outside of the fact that they are both pipe themed courses and have "Piranha Plant" in the title (which, btw, the Japanese name translates to "Pipe Canyon", which fits so much better and the English was most likely a mistranslation).
I mean we already have Piranha Plant Slide which is one of my favorite tracks so I’m fine with it. I’d rather play more varied and unique tracks than two tracks with the same concept
I remember seeing someone say on a piranha plant pipeline mod video asking for antigrav, an mk8 modder said that it wouldn't be possible due to how mk8's antigrav works. I'm guessing that in the next Mario Kart game they could overhaul the antigrav system so that a full 360 degree pipe would be possible to drive around.
Pipeline would've had anti-grav anyway because anti-grav keeps you from flying off the ground which would stop you from hitting your head on the pipe at the start of the course (something Koopa Cape also does). It's really dumb how no custom tracks have added anti-grav yet simply because it can't be 360°.
Chances are they got rid of it because it worked jankily in MK8. Maybe by the next game it'll have a remake that plays (and looks) better, especially since by then they likely won't have another retro Piranha Plant track for it to possibly overlap
I honestly am glad we didn't get Pipeline. Not a bad track, but I would not have been a fan of having the two Pirhana Plant tracks in the same wave, plus it's too similar to Slide from 3DS. It is kind of odd that we didn't get it though, but I will gladly take another 3DS track.
I’m really happy that Nintendo is adding 3DS Rosalina’s Ice World for wave 6, though Piranha Plant Pipeline would’ve been a cool track to add as well. However, I can understand why it didn’t make it to the BCP: -It would have been indeed weird to have 2 Piranha Plant related tracks in wave 6.
-Being a sort of sequel to 3DS Piranha Plant Slide, Nintendo could have possibly thought that the track was way too similar to it for them to include it.
-Or (probably the most logical reason behind the change) the track was well indeed planned for the last wave of the BCP, but then something went wrong, forcing Nintendo to change the track.
Another reason could also be the difficulty of porting the track over from MKT, because of the crazy camera angles this track has. Needless to say though that I’m sure that this track will come back in the next Mario Kart game, or the next BCP (if Nintendo decides to do so, which I think, is probably unlikely).
My personal theory is that it was originally planned to be in the BCP, but when the devs pulled it into MK8 from tour they noticed how janky and buggy it was, and that it wouldn’t work properly in MK8’s physics. So they scrapped it and replaced it with Rosalina’s ice world.
It's because of marketing as a whole. Pipeline isn't new, Pipeline conflicts with Cove and Pipeline isn't as interesting as any of the other non-cities. They instead prioritized a marketable Wii course and a course perfect for the Winter season. People will blame jank but that stuff is majorly overblown and I mean technical issues didn't stop Sunset Wilds now did they. Marketing has been a visibly major factor in BCP's track picks since Wave 1 had a major focus on Coconut Mall and Pipeline's exclusion is no exception.
the difference between technical issues in Sunset Wilds vs Pipeline is that Sunset Wilds was still playable and recognizable, even without the dynamic sunset (;-;) but Pipeline has issues on the gameplay level that even modders mentioned would be a problem
@@Crafty_boy70 What issues? The camera?
@Crafty_boy70 Pipeline's issues can be summed up as the camera focusing on the floor for like 5 seconds per lap lmao I've seen footage and they could've absolutely had it work well enough
Sunset Wilds is functional in the game, while Pipeline could have the chance absolutely be not functional
@F7jin I've seen Pipeline custom tracks, and yes they're a little janky but not even remotely to the point where they'd realistically scrap it for that. Hell the only issue I consider massive with current Pipeline custom tracks is that drivers can hit their head on the pipe upon entering it which they've already shown with Cape can be easily fixed by just adding in anti-grav to that section.
Im actually glad it got replaced, Rosalina's Ice world is a good track
Idc Daisy Circuit is better than Pipeline and moonview doesn’t look any bad graphically? 😅
@ryderkartdx It can be a number a reasons.
It could be perhaps that it's too similar to Pirahna Plant Slide.
It could be that 2 Pirahna Plant Tracks (Cove & Pipeline) could be too redundant in 1 Wave.
But I think that the most likely reason of all is that the Anti-Gravity Mechanics, if the track were to be utilized as a Anti-Gravity majority track, have not be tweaked for 360 degree areas like the inside and outside of cylindercal areas like pipes.
As Albert Boris once said, maybe when Nintendo tried to implement Pirahna Plant Pipeline into Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, things got a bit to way too janky for the track to be played in.
So with Nintendo in need of a track and it probably being too late to tweak anything to make Pirahna Plant Pipeline playable, they chose an enitrely different track.
Case in point, 3DS Rosalina's Ice World.
A possible sad case of "Close, but no cigar." for what is basically, for now, the only Mario Kart Tour-exclusive course (aside from the RMX courses, as well as Trick, Reverse, and Reverse Trick variants of all courses).
But of course, I could be wrong on all that.
All in all, if anything, if Nintendo still wants to preserve Pirahna Plant Pipeline, I believe thet're likely going to save it for the next Mario Kart installment for the next Nintendo console.
Here's my theory I think Pipeline was planned for 8DX however when they went to play test it it was super janky with 8DXs physics so they scrapped it in favor for Rosalina's Ice World
this is so true, I also came up with exaclty this. No one wants to believe me due to the filenames, but honestly they can name stuff whatever. I find it hard to believe the not-even-finished-in-the-trailer track is apparently the 'intended' one while we have the other one who is visually much stronger and more finished, clearly had thought put into it, and is an actual gamestyle and difficulty that matches the final Wave.
(With gamestyle I mean it's a track of a gamestyle that actually doesn't have waaayyy too many courses already.)
I agree with your theory that Daisy Circuit replaced Piranha Plant Pipeline to put it simply:
The canceled nitro assuming it was planned, was replaced by Moonview Highway.
This in turn, filled Mushroom Bridge’s niche and was ultimately canceled despite being originally planned, so they replaced Mushroom Bridge with Rosalina’s Ice World.
Late into development, Piranha Plant Pipeline may not have functioned well as originally believed thus Daisy Circuit was brought back which was simpler to bring back than Dry Dry Ruins making this the true last minute decision track in the DLC, minus Moonview Highway and Rosalina’s Ice World which also originally may not have been planned.
Before the final prefixes are revealed Wednesday night, I believe these will be the final prefixes:
Rome Avanti is cnsw_51 and Madrid Drive is cnsw_54 or vice versa
Mushroom Bridge was originally cnsw_56 but was instead replaced with Rosalina’s Ice World
Bowser’s Castle 3 is cnsw_57
Piranha Plant Cove is cnsw_64
DK Mountain is cnsw_66
Piranha Plant Pipeline was originally cnsw_67 but was instead replaced with Daisy Circuit
And Wii Rainbow Road is cnsw_68
Daisy Circuit replacing Pipeline makes a lot more sense now upon really thinking it over. Usually when they do a showcase of the Waves, they always tease the new wave with a Tour Nitro (Only exception to this was Wave 1 but that was because it had Coconut Mall and the meme probably played into it being the first one shown). Wave 2 had Sky High Sundae, Wave 3 had Merry Mountain, Wave 4 had Yoshi's Island, and Wave 5 had Squeaky Clean Sprint. So to then have Wave 6 get teased with Daisy Circuit instead of the usual Nitro, it felt odd. But now that you said that it replaced Pipeline, it now puts the missing piece to this otherwise weird puzzle of why Daisy Circuit was chosen to tease Wave 6 rather than something like Cove (Which you if you ask me they should've done but oh well).
Well, I’m glad we got Daisy Circuit at least.
another possibility is that they may be adding a few more smaller dlc packs like they did for the original MK8 and just have a couple of sets of 2 cups with additional characters and stuff, there's definitely still enough content from tour that people will still want and the switch will likely end that same year so them adding that little bit more could give 8 a bit more longevity and a bit of a safety net in case their next generation goes the gamecube and wii u route
Tbh I’m happy we got Rosalina’s ice world, the 3ds needed some more representation and both me and my sister are happy that it’s finally in mk8dx.
At first I was sad cause I love Pipeline, but damn 3DS deserved and needed another good track. We only got 3 and 2 of them suck.
Also, it definitely wasn’t cancelled cause of the name, it’s only an issue in other countries plus they’re completely different tracks. I think it was cut cause it’d be way too janky and the camera would be horrible.
2 of them? Only one of them sucked
I like Toad Circuit. It’s not worth hating on.
@@Ibalistic_hedge No the only good one was 3DS RR. Rock Rock Mountain is so mid you just spend most of the time gliding. Don't see how that's thrilling gameplay.
@@joshslater2426 Compared to most opening tracks it is good, but for a paid DLC meant to attract people to buy it, it was a horrible choice. Especially since at the time they only gave us 3 3DS tracks.
@@mailpaper7754 bc that's the whole point of the track, to glide. If you know how to utilize the glider to it's full extent, you'd enjoy the track more. You also spend a lot of time gliding in rainbow road.
My guess is that Pipeline might have issues with the camera for Mario Kart 8 and it would look pretty much janky for this course. When you think about it, Pipeline felt like it was made just before Nintendo said that they're done with the nitros and Mario Kart Tour is ending new content in a few months. You do remember that we were originally going to have 3 Nitros and 2 GCNs in Wave 6 originally, and when you look at it now... Pipeline was destined to be the new N64 Wario Stadium of Mario Kart. The theme is too similar to 3DS Piranha Plant Slide/Pipeway, Piranha Plant Cove already exists and is the better of the two nitros and when you think about Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, jank would practically be the word to describe Pipeline. The physics in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is drastically different to Tours, especially with the halfpipes and the cameras. Based off the prefix leak, Wave 6 was clearly the wave that didn't get prepared for the GCN Waluigi Stadium mishap. Luckily the courses they had as backups were a couple of fan favourites from the Wii (cause that game is over-represented) and an underrated gem of 3DS Rosalina's Ice World which felt perfect as a surprise course. A surprise that people will slowly appreciate... just like Rosalina herself being quite slow to warm up to around others.
Would it have been different? Yes. Am I sad that Pipeline got the cut? Yes and No. Do I like 3DS Rosalina's Ice World? Yes. I played Mario Kart 7 during my 2 years at college on the old classic 3DS.
This is all gonna be fun and games until one of the file names is CNSW 69
I love Rosalina's ice world but I mean… why not Daisy's Hills?? its way better, aesthetically pleasant, and the musiccccc
Daisy Hills is too easy for a last wave.
Honestly it should’ve been daisy hills instead of toad circuit 😂
It was an underrated track.
There's two problems with your theory.
Firstly, they can rename Pipeline to Warp Pipe Canyon. They renamed one of the Mario Party mini games in Top 100 and Superstars
Secondly, why couldn't they just put Pipeline in Wave 5 and put SCS and Cove in Wave 6 instead?
I still believe that Rosalina's Ice World might replace it because Daisy Circuit was finished at the last two weeks of October, just like (SNES) Bowser's Castle 3, where (3DS) Rosalina's Ice World was in Tour since the beginning.
Leaving just 1 nitro trapped in tour is kinda suspicious, that's why I think Pipeline will be a Nitro track in MK10
I 100% agree. Whether the next game is Mario Kart 10 or another Deluxe port of a past game (crossing my fingers for Double Dash), Pipeline will be there.
Or retro in MK10
The track is a perfect spot for a (green) shell cup
*MK9
@@Oryeleventen Tour is MK9
Hopefully Piranha Plant Pipeline returns as a retro in Mario Kart 10
That's what I'm saying
Hopefully not
@@welshyww9952 shut up. You don’t know good course design
@@welshyww9952 why
I could see it being a nitro track in mario kart 10
TBH, pipeline probably wouldn't have been possible in 8 deluxe. It probably would have been very broken. It would have been Jankier than DK Snowboard Cross. Pipeline will probably be in the next game along with the proper remake retros in tour that didn't come to the BCP. Also, we should have got Dry dry ruins instead of daisy circuit.
There is a custom track that actually does make the track function properly with an additional visual overhaul! It was definitely possible, it might’ve just been cut due to time restraints, complaints about over-saturation, or simply being saved for the next game
Be realistic here. They only added Ice World because it was a winter track
And yet, Wave 1 doesn't have a snow track.
@@ChiefMedicPururu and then they started adding snow tracks since wave 2
Haven't watched more than 2 seconds yet but I'm really digging that intro.
I also think that Daisy circuit replaced pipeline because RIW has been in tour for yonks and circuit is pretty new
People complaining about uneven representation for other games:
Me wishing we got more N64 tracks:
Everything you said at the “The Realization” section I agree with. Leaving out one Tour track when everything else got in is like leaving out one puzzle piece from a puzzle and never complete it.
There’s only one way to rectify this catastrophe: Pipeline doesn’t exist. There we go. Now ALL the Tour tracks are in and I won’t accept counter arguments.
Calling it Piranha Plant Pipeline was such a misnomer. It should've just been called by it's Japanese name Warp Pipe Canyon, or even Warp Pipe Pipeline.
The real question should be why dif daisy circuit make it over dry dry ruins. Terrible choice, hope its the first track of the next mk lighting cup
I am very happy that Rosalina's Ice World will be in the Booster Course pass, for one reason and one reason only: Rosalina is my favorite video game character of all time.
Also, I donated my old 3DS to my school toy drive last year. Now I can once again revisit Rosalina's Ice World whenever I want.
the camera angle in pipeline is really awkward as well as some of the elements to the track like the shaking pipe.
that plus antigravity wouldn't work. So to put pipeline in there with those issues wouldn't be fitting for A final wave of DLC.
Personally, I think that Piranha Plant Pipeline was added to Tour just to give us that scrapped DS track, but not to be part of BCP
Perhaps it was hard to program, the half pipe zone (literal half pipe, not like the blue stripe but the pipe in the half) had potential for anti gravity, but maybe it was too hard
I'm just guessing, I never liked the track, only its music and the clear pipe, beyond that, I don't like it, but I'm sorry for its fans
I wish they had airship fortress or Shy guy Bazar
The thing I especially don’t understand is the hatred Piranha Plant Pipeline got after it’s exclusion was confirmed as none of that existed prior to this being confirmed.
Theory-- What if we get a Mario Kart Ultimate for the Switch 2 which includes every course made? In this case theyre currently remaking every course, using Tour models for most, thus why the courses look better each wave: theyre all being improved and improved for a future release. This would explain how a course like Piranha Plant Pipeline, and many fan favorites, didn't make it; theyre saving them for the new game. The BCP and Tour can act as a way to affectively make up for the high costs of making the game (buying the BCP now and full ultimate later would cost $85 -- more likely to pay for the BCP and then full game later instead of paying $85 all at once).
I agree with Albert Boris tbh, at least I think it was him who said that he thought it was because they tried to add it, but it was janky, which makes sense, especially since my theory originally was that piranha plant pipeline was gonna be the one track that's made with anti-gravity, or at least proper anti gravity rather than just one slope or something having it, but that probably didn't work out too well with how the track is designed, which would also make sense to why it's only that track, it was one of the later ones so they wouldn't have known it would be janky, and wouldn't have also replaced the other tour tracks as there was nothing wrong with them, plus, with everyone hated sunset wilds, and that was just broken visually, I don't think people would like a track that's broken gameplay wise lol, tho that's just a theory of course, there's not really any way to prove it, and I do agree it is strange they didn't include it if it was for a different reason and is kinda sad too
Okay, is there anyone else who thinks they will curveball everyone with a final cup, unlocked when people complete all tracks. If that were to happen, the tracks included would probably be fan favorites from mk trour:
Luigis mansion
Airship fortress
Dry Dry ruins
piranha plant pipeline
Maybe Wario shipyard, shy guy bazar, Mushroom bridge or dino dino jungle could also make an appearance if thats the case
I could see:
Mushroom Bridge
Luigis Mansion
Airship Fortress
Pipeline
I doubt this will happen but I hope, having 100 tracks to advertise in a game is too good a marketing ploy
They wouldn't do that.
Nah
Nintendo thought the course was mid and put a good track in instead
Another reason which people don't mention is maybe pipeline was never planned for 8dx as it would be stupid adding 2 Piranha tracks to the dlc
Believe it or not, I ACTUALLY predicted a second curveball over Piranha Plant Pipeline, even after Daisy Circuit was confirmed.
Same; Pipeline always felt a little bit like they put less effort into it, like the creators just werent a fan of it either, but completed it enough to put it out in tour. Could make for a fun track in MK9 with a proper remastering tho
Seeing all of this makes me wish Cove was put in Wave 5 which I'm assuming was the original plan since Petey came out that wave as well
Petey was in Wave 5 simply so he could be next to King Boo on the CSS, it absolutely wasn't "the original plan" because not only were characters clearly not initially planned but SCS is the Wave 5 nitro internally anyway meaning it was always planned to be there over Cove.
Imagine how surreal it would be if Wave 6 comes out and dataminers find a half-finished model of Pipeline in the files.
Honestly piranha plant pipeline is nothing like cove even if they are piranha plant, but even then why replace it with the 5th snow course of the BCP, now wave 1 is the only wave with one.
My theory here is that Pipeline wasn't playing as well in 8 Deluxe's engine as Nintendo hoped for, with wonky camera angles and problems with half-pipes and anti-gravity, so they had to pick a course to replace it with.
I believe Rosalina's Ice World was the replacement for the 4th GCN course, and Daisy Circuit is the replacement for Piranha Plant Pipeline.
It's the least interesting course of the Wave, so they chucked it into the teaser to get it out of the way, and for Wii pandering.
Plus, why else would Daisy Circuit look significantly less polished than the rest of Wave 6? Could it be because it replaced a planned Tour course and the devs were crunched for time to polish Daisy Circuit up for the September Direct Teaser?
Edit: Guess I should've watched the video before writing the theory down, because wow, mine is basically the same as yours.
Unrelated but Nintendo better fix Sunset Wilds in Wave 6 like how they fixed Coconut Mall in Wave 2 or I will come after them.
I think the camera was too janky. If you look at mods of the track for 8dx the camera is always focused on the ground and you can barely see where you are going. I think the track will make a return as a proper remake in mk10 tho. I'm very happy Ice World got in,as it's one of my favourite tracks on the 3ds,it's more 3ds rep and I always found pipeline rather mid.
I never liked the idea of pipeline coming to the bcp, seemed bland but that may just be me 🤷🏽♂️
Seriously
Nintendo never confirmed that Pipeline was even planned
So stop saying it was scrapped as there is nog evidence/official source for that 😤
Piranha Plant Cove could have come in Wave 5. It might seem slightly odd that they have similar names, but they aren’t similar courses. I think they should have just added it regardless. I have two curiosities, not to be mistaken for theories.
1. The gimmick in Mario Kart 10 is more fitting for this track, or more likely;
2. The alternate routes for Pipeline weren’t ready in time.
Also just so everyone knows the name of the track Piranha Plant Pipeline is misleading as it’s original name in Japanese is Warp Pipe Canyon so really I don’t think the name had anything to do with it.
I think RIW is here because they just wanted a winter track for wave 6 just like Merry Mountain from wave 3.
Rosalina's ice world is a welcome surprise
We would’ve had two Piranha plant tracks…is that necessary? Plus that would be 4 tour tracks, technically all of these tracks are from tour but still. Rosalina Ice World is way more interesting imo. I’ll take Cove over Pineline anyday sorry. It wasn’t cut, it was never official to be in Wave 6 from Nintendo.
I think they will for the main 4 retro tracks have 2 SNES, 1 N64, 2 GBA, 2 GCN, 2 DS, 2 Wii, 2 3DS, and 2 from the MK8 since I feel like it would be WiiU but it is also on the Switch so the prefix is hard to figure out but that leaves 15/16 non repeat tracks so I think that one was to be the last one needed since the 4 base extra tracks was a mix and if they have the same amount of cups as the BCP, those ones would be the fan favorites that probably hasn’t been used over two times. Maybe have the RMX but they do not look as good as the originals or as memorable.
I just find it bizarre that all the nitro and city tracks in the booster course pass are all that MK tour had to offer as new in its lifetime, the other stuff just being retro tracks, you'd expect a TON more new courses in a mobile game that's been out for 4 years. Unity being very easy to work on and all that.
I've played a really good Piranha Plant Pipeline mod in 8DX, and even the good one, drives so bad.
Wait wasn't there Luigi Circuit in Tour? They didn't add that to 8 deluxe
the 2 tracks named piranha plant is the stupidest reason ever, WAVE 3 HAS 2 MOUNTAINS.
I think it’s either Daisy Circuit or RIW that replaced Pipeline.
piranha plant cove and piranha plant pipeline have absolutely nothing in common besides the name, there's no chance it was because of variety issues. pipeline shouldnt have even been called that it has like 2 plants in it and is more focused on the pipes, the japan translated name pipe canyon is a much better name and no one wouldve even related the 2 nitros if that's what it was called in english. i dont know why it was cut but it certainly isnt because the tracks are too similar
What if they just added Rosalina's Ice World to promote the BCP for Christmas? 😭
Overthinkers/hypers be like: “bEcAuSe PiPeLiNe WiLl bE iN bCp 2!!!”
Also they should’ve gone with DDR instead of DC.
I'm working on a High Effort PP Pipeline mod and yeah, it's a bit janky in MK8 engine, but I'm trying to do my best
That’s cool! Hmu on my social media (links/info in description) whenever you finish the mod, cause I’ll sure show it off on the channel! :)
Nintendo: Nooo we can't have 2 Piranha Tracks in a wave >:(
Also Nintendo; hehehe, 3 city tracks in 2 waves
As someone who didn't really enjoy tour, I don't really have feelings for Pipeline. I'm glad 3DS ice world made it instead:)
Has no one thought it wasn't added because the UK version of piranha plant slide is called piranha plant pipeway, so they didn't want tracks that sound basically the same as each other (would be a stretch considering the 5 rainbow roads in the game but still)
Japanese name is Pipe Canyon so I dunno why they didn't go with that instead.
I love rosalinas ice world. But i would have liked another 3ds track more (maka wuhu or wuhu loop)
Me personally I like piranha plant cove better than pipeline and I’m glad cove got in.
Unpopular opinion I think but I kinda wish none of the tour tracks made it in. I hate that the BCP was heavily favouring tour tracks and took up so many spaces. They should’ve all been retro tracks.
What else would they put though, a bajillion circuits and SNES and 3DS tracks? The whole reason the BCP exists was because of how much easier it was to port stuff from Tour and refurbish them for MK8
Even the non-city tracks though?
I honestly doubt Pipeline will be a retro in the next game. There are so many other tracks that deserve to return, and having only 1 Tour track return in the next game would be kinda strange
Every game has a retro from every previous game. Tour is a previous game, so Pipeline is going to be the sole Tour retro
@@generalcrab0009Tour is a spinoff, like the arcade games
@@bob171 not according to Nintendo
Here's what I think:
1. The name and theme has nothing to do with the cancellation. We have 5 Rainbow Roads in the game, and the Japenese name translates to "Pipe Canyon" meaning that the English name was most likely just a mistranslation.
2. The main reason for its cancellation is that it just didn't work with 8DX's mechanics. The only way to get it to work is to change the layout, which is too much to do with the time they had, meaning it'll probably be in the next game.
3. I agree with the theory that Daisy Circuit replaced it. Ice World looked too finished to be done last minute, and we already had a Wii track in this wave. That also answers why they picked that over something actually interesting like Airship Fortress or Luigi's Mansion as they needed a simple course they could just reuse a lot of assets on. Personally, I would've preferred them to do Mushroom Bridge and just swap Ice World and DK Mountain's spots, but maybe that's just me.
4. This is more on the topic of Ice World, but I still question why they chose that one when they could've brought back Airship Fortress or Luigi's Mansion. Ice World isn't a bad choice by any means, but it doesn't really have anything that makes it stand out unlike one of the two I mentioned.
That’s funny you mentioned mushroom bridge, as my personal theory is that mushroom bridge was the scrapped GCN course that was originally planned for wave 5, but was moved into wave 6 in favor of moonview highway. My guess is that Rosalina’s ice world ended up replacing it early on. They probably figured mushroom bridge wouldn’t work well in MK8 or they realized it’s a lame choice for a wave 6 track lmao
@@rustyshackleford234 I also believe it was planned at some point but scrapped, and I don't really know why. Yeah it might've not been interesting for Wave 6, but it was more interesting than Daisy Circuit.
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Glad it didnt get in, i didnt even bother playing it in tour because it just LOOKED bad
Unpopular opinion all the Nitro tracks added to the BCP like Ninja Hideaway,Yoshi Island and Squeaky Clean Sprint should have been saved for Mario Kart X and their spots should have been filled by retros fans wanted like DS Airship Fortress,DS Luigi's Mansion and Wii Toad's Factory just to name a few
I think it’s lame they choose peachette instead of Nabbit the roster could use more Purple characters plus it would have tied with his appearance in Wonder
A theory I have seen online is that we are getting a secret cup to make the total track number in MK8D 100, if that happens i think we will get Piranha Plant Pipeline, Dino Dino Jungle, Airship Fortress and another fan favourite
That makes no sense. They would not do this without marketing and given we're getting Wave 6 faster than expected, no way in Hell would a secret Wave be ready in time alongside it without crunch culture.
I’m personally hoping this theory is correct, it would end it off perfectly imo (replace Dino Dino with Toad’s Factory tho) THE PERFECT 100 IS RIGHT THERE!
@@rapidrowlet45 Toad's Factory wasn't in Tour.
@@rapidrowlet45 toads factory isn't in tour and considering we have most of wii tracks in MK8D I don't think another would take priority
Ok but answer this: where are they going to put another cup?
The Piranha Plant Pipeline is not Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
I'm salty about Mushroom Bridge not returning but I'd so much rather have Rosalina's Ice World over Pipeline, really didn't like pipeline
Honestly mushroom bridge is a pretty lame course, if they wanted to add it, they should’ve back in wave 1 or 2. Plus moonview highway does exactly what mushroom bridge does but better. Also if we wanted a traffic course from double dash we should’ve gotten mushroom city.
Moonview Highway? Looking "bad" in some areas? As if the whole bcp doesn't look atrocious LMAO
of all 3DS tracks they could've added... it's Rosalina's Ice World. Like, I am sorry, but it's one of thé most mid tracks EVER. Why it when 3DS has so many more interesting tracks?
Also it's interesting to note; if you include squeaky clean sprint, piranaplant cove, ninja hideaway, merry mountain, sky-high sundae, and yoshi's island as tour tracks (since they are named as if they are nitro tracks, but all of them are either from tour, or released at roughly the same time as their tour variants)... the amount of tour tracks in the game is EQUAL to the amount of truly new/nitro tracks (or more if you exclude the nitro tracks in the MK8 DLC, such as hyrule castle, big blue, wild woods etc).
Im no genius and yes they got better tracks that fit in place of RIW but since they chose a 3DS track, Ice World was their best option to pick from in the sense of "we need good tracks that pack difficulty" since this is the last wave of the dlc
I agree with your theory, EXCEPT when you brought up Mushroom Bridge. I think what's more likely is that DK Mountain was planned for Wave 5, and Dino Dino Jungle was planned for Wave 6. However, at some point during development, they replaced DDJ with Rosalina's Ice World.
Nah. DK Mountain and DDJ use the same music track, it's clear DKM got more focus, even back in Tour.
I dont think they would've ever made the BCP had Tour not existed, so complaining about city tracks is kinda pointless and after 2 years, even more so.
Piranha plant pipeline can be next game and some other character to.
It just goes against the entire point of the DLC imo - I always took the Booster Pass to be a way to preserve the nitro Tour tracks before the app shut down, with some retros as a bonus, so it makes no sense for Pipeline to not be here
I think they removed it because they didn’t want 2 piranha plant tracks in the same wave and it looks identical to piranha plant slide so I’m guessing that’s why they removed it
The name has nothing to do with it. It's called Warp Pipe Canyon in Japan
Theory:
Like many have been theorising; there is a secret cup. (Since there's only 94 tracks, and 4 more would make 100.)
The tracks that will appear in the cup are *partially* hinted in game already.
1) Piranha Plant Pipeline. (the asset with the Fuzzies are seen in Rome Avanti, plus the starting line has the modern Mario Kart logo.)
2) Airship Fortress. (The asset for the Rocky Wrenches are in the game, as seen on the same track.)
3) Dino Dino Jungle
(First of all, it's seen literally everywhere, from Squeeky Clean Sprint to Coconut Mall. Second of all, It's a fan favourite. And third of all, ik Koopa Troopa Beach was seen in Sunshine Airport but that isn't everywhere unlike Dino Dino Jungle.)
4) Shy Guy Bazar (ik it's far fetched. BUT it's said it went unused in the original Wii U version, so perhaps it can be brought back? Who knows. It's the only 4th track I can think of that's highly possible lol)
(Note: this could be wishful thinking for all I know lmao, but it's a theory I hope you guys are intrigued by.)
I don't agree with this, not your argument but Nintendo's logic. If they didn't want two piranha plant tracks in the same wave, why didn't cove come sooner, or better yet, why name a track that has very little to do with piranha plants aesthetically after them? It's the same way I look at Sunset Wilds: if the lighting engine doesn't allow light changes (therefore mimic sunsets as you complete laps), why ad the track which its main gimmick is to change lighting?
It's just baffling to me and it bothers me as well how only 1 Tour track doesn't make an appearance in the whole pass. Oh, and Daisy Circuit possibly being the one that replaced PP Pipeline is also annoying on top of that because I'm sick of the Wii pandering.