I have learned that buying from Amazon on certain item types is like playing a lottery game. I try and buy straight from the manufacturer (if possible - assuming they allow direct buy) or a non Amazon Dealer like a EuroOptic reseller.
Dude, I hold in my hand the exact same tan one you received...possibly...most likely. I ordered a tan one a few days ago on Amazon and I just got it today. You mentioned you put a giant label on the box? Did it happen to be a giant red label that says to not resell? Well, if it is, then I got it. It's funny because I was digging hard to find a video like this to spot a fake cause I was super skeptical. Small world I guess coming full circle like this.
Yep that’s the one. I mean it’s genuine I just didn’t want them to put it back into circulation as the wrong color. Looks like they corrected the color tag in inventory but left my warning label lol.
@@scopeeye4284 I got yours for $173.71 after tax and it was listed as "Acceptable." A hell of a deal even at the price you got them at...the genuine one that is, haha. I mean, not sure what warranted the price drop when you sent it back, but I pretty much got it in the same condition as you had it in the video. I guess I am the third or fourth owner at this point, haha. Did you end up keeping the genuine black one?
@@jamesnguyen438 during the whole fiasco I managed to snag a genuine black one off EE for $180 to my door so I ended up just sending all of the amazon ones back but they were useful none the less for mocking up and determining if I wanted the SF body or a 3rd party light.
I noticed that the logo on the real vs fake is different as well, all 3 of your fakes on the table had a different Surefire logo engraving than the real one, but l guest that could be easily changed. There's white fill on the real one and the fake one does not have that color fill.
This is why am not one of those "i wamt a cheap deal" types all pay full price from a source that sells legit product i try to warn people that ebay and amazon are risky for geging somwhting you thought was good but ended up being shit :/
@@shaocaholica Probably stolen or "misplaced" as overflow inventory from a federal agency. Lots of stuff suddenly becomes free if you live near a large military base and then get into "the market". Just watch out and be street wise: Hot DLA items will get the military version of FBI known as CID along with the FBI on you with a quickness. So you better learn those ins and outs before messing with any of it. But yes, legitimate deals on such items exist, inventory must legitimately get off that inventory and suddenly you literally have crates if weapons lights, body armor, uniforms, NBC gear etc.. For the cost of showing up somewhere and picking it up.. They even have auctions on bases for such things.
Another way to see if they are fake is trying to mount the light on a Arisaka mount. The screw threads on the light itself don’t match the screws the come with the mount . That’s my own experience.
You don’t need an Arisaka mount to test that. The thread pattern to check is 8-32 for the bottom threaded holes. You can get 8-32 bolts from any hardware store. However I’m not so certain all the fake lights have incorrect threads but if the thread is incorrect then it’s definitely fake.
Another quick way you can tell if you have a fake, most of the arisaka pic rail mounts that attach onto the surefire bodies with the two screws, the post for the screws to go into the light body itself are not cut to the same spec as real surefire lights. None of my fake surefire lights will accept an arisaka mount because of this.
Im hoping you could help me. I need to know if a Real Surefire, Or Arisaka E2HT FlashLight HEAD, will fit on the Fake Clone M600 Scoutlight Body. Since the body is basically just to hold the battery, we could save a lot of money by using the Cheap $20 Body, with a Nice Flashlight Head. if you can check, let me know please!
way to bring attention to this, it seems many people in many markets are doing a similar tactic. I had no idea they would do this with surefire lights.
Ok I don’t have a dishonest enough mind! Because I never would think to do anything like this! Buying a legitimate light and then buying a fake and returning the fake for a refund and keeping the real one!
I just bought a Scout M640U from Amazon, supposedly new. Just got here today. Label on the bottom says M640U and the box says “1000 Lumens.” Head on the flashlight says KE2-DF. Is that the duel fuel model? Also, the batteries were shaking around unsecured in the “unopened” box (I didn’t open it.) Any info would be greatly appreciated, these lights aren’t cheap. Thanks!
Hope you didn’t pay too much. That doesn’t seem like it’s the correct head? I couldn’t find any info and that’s not a model I own. The best way is to send photos to surefire tech support. I’m done with amazon for these lights. There are vendors out there like raygunworks and dack that are better priced and don’t have fakes in inventory.
@@scopeeye4284 I messaged Surefire and called Amazon. I haven’t heard back from Surefire yet, Amazon said they’ll replace it. If the next one they send is fake or incorrect, I’m just going to get a refund. I appreciate the video and the feedback. If it wasn’t for your video, I wouldn’t have looked so closely. Thanks!
You say that like it counters my point somehow. All you need is brand recognition - which usually entails an initial government contract - then you can coast on that brand name instead of innovating or even staying competitive. Many such cases, in many various products.
@@forestnfren8146 to be fair, surefire is by far the most proven option when it comes to reliable rifle lights. Even then, with the turbo series of lights out now, it's not true, they are neck and neck with cloud and modlite, however their legacy light are still fantastic choices, they don't perform as well as cloud defensive or modlight(I own one and love it) but they are still the most duty proven. Both modlite and cloud defensive are known to have more lemons/issues than surefire, albeit their warranty will handle that, however I have never heard of someone I know or around me who had a surefire light fail on them that wasn't a result of user error.
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I have learned that buying from Amazon on certain item types is like playing a lottery game. I try and buy straight from the manufacturer (if possible - assuming they allow direct buy) or a non Amazon Dealer like a EuroOptic reseller.
I rather pay a premium and buy directly from the companies, people sometimes are too focused on deals.
Dude, I hold in my hand the exact same tan one you received...possibly...most likely. I ordered a tan one a few days ago on Amazon and I just got it today. You mentioned you put a giant label on the box? Did it happen to be a giant red label that says to not resell? Well, if it is, then I got it. It's funny because I was digging hard to find a video like this to spot a fake cause I was super skeptical. Small world I guess coming full circle like this.
Yep that’s the one. I mean it’s genuine I just didn’t want them to put it back into circulation as the wrong color. Looks like they corrected the color tag in inventory but left my warning label lol.
@@scopeeye4284 Yep, ordered the tan one. Well, the good thing is I can say thank you for inspecting it and confirming that it's genuine, haha!
Haha excellent. How much was it? Mine were $212-228 range.
@@scopeeye4284 I got yours for $173.71 after tax and it was listed as "Acceptable." A hell of a deal even at the price you got them at...the genuine one that is, haha. I mean, not sure what warranted the price drop when you sent it back, but I pretty much got it in the same condition as you had it in the video. I guess I am the third or fourth owner at this point, haha. Did you end up keeping the genuine black one?
@@jamesnguyen438 during the whole fiasco I managed to snag a genuine black one off EE for $180 to my door so I ended up just sending all of the amazon ones back but they were useful none the less for mocking up and determining if I wanted the SF body or a 3rd party light.
I noticed that the logo on the real vs fake is different as well, all 3 of your fakes on the table had a different Surefire logo engraving than the real one, but l guest that could be easily changed. There's white fill on the real one and the fake one does not have that color fill.
Buy NOTHING from Amazon. They do this with Leupold as well. So happy I have never ran into this..
This is why am not one of those "i wamt a cheap deal" types all pay full price from a source that sells legit product i try to warn people that ebay and amazon are risky for geging somwhting you thought was good but ended up being shit :/
Negative on the tan. Tan is a correct color for government purchase.
They don't want you to know this but the M600DF's are free, I have 465 M600DF's
How? 👀
Accept me as your student sensei
@@shaocaholica Probably stolen or "misplaced" as overflow inventory from a federal agency. Lots of stuff suddenly becomes free if you live near a large military base and then get into "the market".
Just watch out and be street wise: Hot DLA items will get the military version of FBI known as CID along with the FBI on you with a quickness. So you better learn those ins and outs before messing with any of it.
But yes, legitimate deals on such items exist, inventory must legitimately get off that inventory and suddenly you literally have crates if weapons lights, body armor, uniforms, NBC gear etc.. For the cost of showing up somewhere and picking it up.. They even have auctions on bases for such things.
Another way to see if they are fake is trying to mount the light on a Arisaka mount. The screw threads on the light itself don’t match the screws the come with the mount . That’s my own experience.
You don’t need an Arisaka mount to test that. The thread pattern to check is 8-32 for the bottom threaded holes. You can get 8-32 bolts from any hardware store. However I’m not so certain all the fake lights have incorrect threads but if the thread is incorrect then it’s definitely fake.
@@shaocaholica lol………I’m going to Home Depot tomorrow 😬
I unfortunately got a fake one and had no idea for just over a year when I bought another and they weren't the same.
Another quick way you can tell if you have a fake, most of the arisaka pic rail mounts that attach onto the surefire bodies with the two screws, the post for the screws to go into the light body itself are not cut to the same spec as real surefire lights. None of my fake surefire lights will accept an arisaka mount because of this.
Great video. This is why I ordered mine from the Surefire site.
was the tan one real, looks like it has a roll pin.
Im hoping you could help me.
I need to know if a Real Surefire, Or Arisaka E2HT FlashLight HEAD, will fit on the Fake Clone M600 Scoutlight Body.
Since the body is basically just to hold the battery, we could save a lot of money by using the Cheap $20 Body, with a Nice Flashlight Head.
if you can check, let me know please!
way to bring attention to this, it seems many people in many markets are doing a similar tactic. I had no idea they would do this with surefire lights.
SO THE TAN 1 WAS REAL?
Ok I don’t have a dishonest enough mind! Because I never would think to do anything like this! Buying a legitimate light and then buying a fake and returning the fake for a refund and keeping the real one!
What is espacially mean they dont cheat amazon or surefire but another buyer who will keep this fake light and pay for it.
The barcode as well the only one that has the barcode is the tan one
How do they work
so is the roll pin the only thing that gives it way? is there other things to look for?
Yes the tail cap on real ones say made in usa the clones dont.
I just bought a Scout M640U from Amazon, supposedly new. Just got here today. Label on the bottom says M640U and the box says “1000 Lumens.”
Head on the flashlight says KE2-DF. Is that the duel fuel model?
Also, the batteries were shaking around unsecured in the “unopened” box (I didn’t open it.) Any info would be greatly appreciated, these lights aren’t cheap. Thanks!
Hope you didn’t pay too much. That doesn’t seem like it’s the correct head? I couldn’t find any info and that’s not a model I own. The best way is to send photos to surefire tech support. I’m done with amazon for these lights. There are vendors out there like raygunworks and dack that are better priced and don’t have fakes in inventory.
@@scopeeye4284 I messaged Surefire and called Amazon. I haven’t heard back from Surefire yet, Amazon said they’ll replace it.
If the next one they send is fake or incorrect, I’m just going to get a refund. I appreciate the video and the feedback. If it wasn’t for your video, I wouldn’t have looked so closely. Thanks!
@@mikem2132 update?
This is why I only order from OP.
An item being faked is a great indication of how the original item is a great piece of technology and achievement for the certain industry they belong
Not really. Surefire is consistently at the rear of the pack in white light technology.
@@forestnfren8146 And yet the police and operators have carried them for over 20 years.
You say that like it counters my point somehow.
All you need is brand recognition - which usually entails an initial government contract - then you can coast on that brand name instead of innovating or even staying competitive.
Many such cases, in many various products.
@@forestnfren8146 to be fair, surefire is by far the most proven option when it comes to reliable rifle lights. Even then, with the turbo series of lights out now, it's not true, they are neck and neck with cloud and modlite, however their legacy light are still fantastic choices, they don't perform as well as cloud defensive or modlight(I own one and love it) but they are still the most duty proven. Both modlite and cloud defensive are known to have more lemons/issues than surefire, albeit their warranty will handle that, however I have never heard of someone I know or around me who had a surefire light fail on them that wasn't a result of user error.
Trijicon and Eotech does that as well @@forestnfren8146
Can I ask why your boxes don't look like any flashlight iv ordered from surefire?
Where can I get one
Interesting.. I am going to look for some of those fake ones and use on my kids airsoft AR's.
Why would you buy the fake one at the same price of the original ?
@@harisyoung4110 You sir, are a simple man.
Pretty sure Jeff B will recover from this loss.
No doubt this is less than nothing for amazon. Just watching out for the end user.
As long as you aren’t screening over an innocent customer
They do that with benchmade knifes too
Thank you good info to have.
Part of the reason I don’t support Amazon
Just don't buy on Amazon. It is not worth the risk.
This is why I avoid buying from Amazon….
Technically speaking it's a fraud from Amazon???
nope just dishonest customers looking to take advantage of return money while keeping a real light
You just helped China know what they need to fix 😂
Where can you get these? What buyer on amazon?
great video, subbed
So many fakes on Amazon & eBay these companies should be sued
Both Amazon and eBay offer returns for fakes.