Hahahaha! I’m a Chevy guy at heart, but I spit out my beer on that one! Good one! The newest Chevy I’ve owned was a brand new 1993 Z28. I’ve been driving Mazda, Honda, Acura and Toyota’s the last 20 years! Currently driving a 2007 Civic Si with 195k miles. Timing belt, clutch assembly and AC compressor replaced once in its life. A few other minor parts replaced as well, like a spool valve, and brake parts. Great cars, those Hondas!
@@richardbradfield7437 same here ..had many GM vehicles with no major issues ..newest ive had is 04 silverado which i have now....great truck....i do like the interiors and gadgets on newer ones but i value reliability over creature comforts..
I worked on cars for 20+ years and got into the electrical diagnosis aspect. You are in a field by yourself there. Do NOT sell yourself short. I dealt with hundreds of 'parts changers' and even a local Pep Boys who declared that there was no way I could diagnose issues using an analog volt/amp meter when they had the latest state of the art digital testing equipment. The customer was happy when I replaced the "NEW ALTERNATOR" that Pep Boys had installed, with one that actually worked. I put the bad one back on at the customer's request so they could go back to 'the boys' and that is where the analog test equipment argument came from. You are self deprecating but your skills scream otherwise. Your local community is extremely lucky to have someone as skilled AND as honest as you!
Just ordered a cable, I do not want my wife's truck to lose the steering. I'll do it as preventative maintenance. Thanks for the videos, much respect, sir! Hope a general motors representative is watching.
I simply wouldn't use that kind cable. A decent insulated cable would last longer. I'd make my own before I put another OEM Cable on. I'd bolt it to the frame in the engine compartment too. Not down in the salt.
It's concerning that GM wants to become an "all electric" car company in the next couple years, yet they can't even get the wiring right on their gas-powered cars.
What does one have to do with the other? Be specific. Conflating is something illiterate people do. Like stating: donald will win an election because people show up to hear him whine. Many seemingly simple similarities are not axiomatic.
I purchased a 2019 silverado 5.3 crew cab from a local dealer. It had the money light on that 3 dealers and 2 independents couldn't fix. It showed, service ESC, service parking brake, engine power reduced, we put the magic box on her to discover low voltage in the accelerator pedal position sensor, throttle body position sensor. Previous owner replaced the accelerator pedal and they cleaned the throttle body to no avail. We discovered it only coded when the vehicle was in a wet environment. Took a while spraying with water to discover it was at the ECU behind the left front inner fender liner. The bottom wire loom draped down over the top of the frame rail and had a worn spot through it. One little 22 ga. wire had some green crap showing. Just barely touched it and it was in two pieces. Cut the bad section out, soldered a new piece in, shrinked wrapped and sealed, cleared the codes and now it's all better. Hard to find good diagnostic mechanics today. Really enjoy your videos, keep 'em coming.
" Hard to find good diagnostic mechanics today." Tell me about it. I've been dealing with a lean condition on my old Taurus, and nobody can figure it out.
@@genericsomething Your comment about lean condition didn't contain many details, but I had lean codes on my 03 Silverado when I bought it used with 190k miles on the odo. Condition was borderline as the truck ran well enough. Initial thought was that the mass air flow sensor was dirty or bad, or perhaps the O2 sensors, but they checked out ok. Replacing the fuel filter was enough to get the codes to go away for awhile, but I suspect the root cause was a weak fuel pump as the pump failed a year later.
@@diyguru7531 I had a whole comment typed out and I think I accidentally pressed "cancel." Anyways, I'm having a performance issue where it's totally gutless above 1500 RPM, like the injectors aren't opening longer than they do at idle. I did a bunch of testing and couldn't figure it out. I found a minor vacuum leak and fixed it, but no change. I took it to a mechanic who comes highly recommended and I've used him before. He test drove it while logging live data, and performed a bunch of tests. His conclusion is that I needed a new MAF sensor, PCV valve and fuel filter. I bought OEM MAF and PCV and a Wix filter. No change. I took it back, and he couldn't find the problem. Curent DTCs are P0174 (bank 2 lean), P0430 (B2 cat below efficiency). Pending DTCs are P0171 (bank 1 lean) and P2196 (bank 1 O2 sensor stuck rich) The P0430 code has been around for years with no performance issues. I've tested the sensors and modules one by one and they all test good. The mechanic also noted how everything tested OK. I'm beginning to suspect a bad computer or clogged cats. Those are the highlights, I have a notebook full of notes and scribbles. edit to add: The fuel pump (and filter) was replaced by the same mechanic with a Bosch unit 2 years ago.
Thank you for the informative video. I own a 2019 Tundra ( 4.6 V8 ) with 63,000 miles and it's sitting in my backyard with 3 ft tall weeds growing in the bed. Every check engine/brake/pre collision warning/drive start malfunction light is on. Uses about 2 qts of quality synthetic oil every 30 miles. The dash looks like a Christmas tree. Its been to Toyota several times and so far they have no clue. I also own a Ford F-150 with the 3.5 turbo engine. Just turned 89,000 miles and it has cost me well over 3500.00 in repairs in the past 6 months. They don't make trucks like the old days. It appears they are all junk.
Grounds, grounds, grounds!!! One of the biggest concerns on automotive electric systems. 40 years in the industry and once in a while I get burned on a few. Love this channel fer sure.
Had a '22 Silverado show up last year. Same symptoms, same issue. Ground puffed up green with corrosion. Sure enough, New York plates. It was super rusty even by Nebraska standards. Sourced him an insulated ground and sent him on his way. And yeah, I learned that from your older video on the same issue
Looks like Eric did use an insulated one here too. He just showed a quick glimpse at the end. I'm guessing he gave it a quick spritz of Fluid Film after that as well
Hey Eric, non automotive guy here. Locksmith that works with low voltage a lot. Your method of approaching a problem works well beyond the automotive world. Thanks for putting your methodology out there. It changed they way I approach faulty hardware. If nothing else, my customers should thank you too.
Actually yes certified technicians are trained to do Voltage drop tests as part of their training. A vast majority of my work at a dealer is electrical diagnosis and repair. I think the problem is dealers not wanting to pay mainline technicians to be properly trained and thus why we have part cannons now.
I'm a machinist and have had my own shop for 17 years.. Never once have I ever had to have a tech come to fix a machine, and I've fixed a lot. The mechanical stuff is simple, and I stumble bum my way through the electrical.. So.. Watching this channel has helped me learn more about more complex diagnosis with what are actually fairly simple electrical circuits. Prior to finding this channel, it was just what I learned on my own or through a message board, applying some of the things I learned in college, experience... etc... . I enjoy the trouble shooting aspect, working through the problem.. Its how I've always fixed things, but I've never seen anybody else do it, never had any type of guidance, I was just shooting from the hip.. . The mechanical side of working on a vehicle.. Whatever.. The trouble shooting with the electrical is what I find fascinating.. And I do all my own work on my vehicles. I haven't willingly had a vehicle in a shop in 31 year.. I was 19, and the ring gear stripped off my Bronco, and I didn't have the tools to fix it myself.. The unwilling visit was a blown steering box, and it was under warranty and they wouldn't just give me the box and let me put it in myself. I'll even put a vehicle on jack stands and just bring the tire change people the rims so that nobody is messing with my vehicles, but me.. I do have an extra set of rims for my truck, and we just swap those out every 5 or 6 years, and I have a bunch of spare tires. . I even tackled a circuit board that controls a pellet stove the other day using these same exact principals. I figured it was just a big ass transistor, the one that cycles the most (Just for fun, I found a replacement in a dead Kurig that controls the heating element).. Take one step further back, a funky light activated transistor to keep electrical isolation.. And that wasn't it.. Which puts it back into the chip, which is beyond my pay grade, and time for a new board.. Which has actually come down almost $200 from 8 months ago when I started messing with the thing. I was just going to "parts cannon" the big transistor into it, but watching these videos made me TEST.. And I did, and I would have been wasting my time. . The problem solving process goes beyond cars, its just really nice to see somebody lay it out.
As soon as you showed the symptoms, I said out loud "This feels familiar.." It is absolutely insane to me how often grounds are overlooked and people fire up the parts cannon.
It felt familiar the first time it came up! Was I the only one screaming at the screen "GROUND FAULT" even before Eric said it? On and then the parts swappers at the Stealership.. Another reason my vehicle never goes anywhere other than my own garage.. Geez!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people in your area are very lucky to have you there working on their vehicles. Honest, hard working, and educated.
gm is aware of the problem, just no word on if they will address it publicly..... "Braided Ground Strap Corroded Causing Poor Connection At G131 / G133"
Have to be careful with adding in new grounding paths, you can accidentally polarize the block/crank or cam since now electrons are flowing through the block. Polarzing those parts would throw off the crank positions/cam positions and wreak havoc on your engines operations when the ECU receives errant signals. Best to stick to factory ground pathing design, but ensure the cabling itself is of higher quality than the OE junk being used.
Growing up as a kid, I had two brand affiliations, the Toronto Maple Leafs and Chevrolet. So, I shed a tear every time both of those organizations predictably fail, year by year. To put a ground strap within an inch of the wheel well, close to where salt, water and dirt splashes up every day, is nothing less than an "own goal". The surprise is that even though many devices are bolted to the frame, that single ground strap is still critically important.
I wonder if you were also a Leafs fan in the early 80's when their so called "talent" consisted of the likes of Rocky Saganiuk, Jiri Crha and Normand Aubin?
Even as a second video, its still showing yiu dont assume what the issue is, but develop a theory from experience and then proceed to find the actual issue. Love your channel
I own a 2019 as well and just recently had the same warnings and symptoms happen after being on a 2 1/2 hour trip. Luckily for me they accrued while my family and I were backing into the driveway thanksgiving nite. Had this happened while driving not sure what the outcome would have been. I’m one to usually search the web for similar problems and ran across your video. What a true saint you are to share all this helpful info.
Awesome puts a real cable on.......tell ya this guy is incredible ........turned wrenches long time till i just got sick of this.......electronic everything.......trust folks. Eric o is a rockstar on this stuff
I’m glad I live in the desert. No road salt no rust no corrosion no issues. 251,000 miles on my 2005 Chevy trucks original ground straps, engine, trans and diff
I don't live in the salt belt so that is not likely to happen to me but your diagnosis verified your suspicions. The steering issue would have never been a problem with hydraulic steering.
The auto industry these days seem to be full of genius's. They are the ones that deem transverse front wheel drive, direct injection, CVT's, malaise era drivetrains, etc. to be "superior" and force you to put up with them and tell you that "You will have nothing and be happy".
Dude! After dealing with (5) customer service departments today, (2) of which, you can’t even talk to a human. Not auto related. But anyway, your integrity always brings me back to life. Thanks a million for sharing!
This whole “If I can do it, you can do it” when it comes to you Eric you are a lot wiser than most of us finding these problems. I have been watching this channel for well over a year and you seem to know how to find these electrical (rotten cables, wires etc) like no others. And you have proven so many times that these dealer techs and their parts cannon machine is not the answer. All the best to you and your family Eric.
Thanks to Ole Eric-O after watching your original video with the $3000 2019 Chevy Trail Boss electronic steering issue with the dreaded green puss braided ground strap failure I checked my 2019 Trail Boss and it was turning green so I replaced it then coated with Fluid Film. 👍🏼
@@raylinden3622 Way ahead of you Ray. 👍🏼 I ordered a t-shirt and a decal as I appreciate everything Eric posts. I’ve also purchased many tools after seeing him using them on a vehicle. Take Care
Good video. I had a similar gremlin on an S10, main complaint was intermitant wipers I thought for sure it would be the solder joints on the wiper circuit board. yes it had wiper issues but i could also get other items to kick out. Hours latter I found a partially corroded connection on a 40A wire connecting underhood fuse box to the interior fuse box. What made the repair so lengthy was my friend was leaning on the underhood fuse box for the initial test and it changed my voltage on the interior voltage checks.,
That just holds the water in. It needs to be flexible over its short run. The plating should protect it, but I bet the vendor cheaped out on it (the plating). It seems to be an issue cropping up more and more, across the board. I had my license plate illumination bulb sockets completely tore up within 3 years on an f150... I've seen lots of other examples, as well, just in my diy/shade tree experience.
From the little electrical engineering I’ve studied, the flat ground strap passes more current than a number 4 cable due to the skin effect of the wire, although that cable should be sufficient. It certainly passes more current than that sketched out strap😂. Current passes along the outside skin of the wire, which is why they use so many strands, (of course it also adds flexibility). Once again, excellent and honest work. Like the other poster hinted at, maybe you can take us along for one of your ice cream stops😊.
@@SimiNelsonFamily Skin effect is only applicable to AC current and is more pronounced at high frequencies, not so much at e.g. 60 Hz. DC is not affected. The reason they use many strands is to make a wire flexible so the strands flex uniformly and don't break under vibration.
I love when he is on to something, and becomes noticeably energized (unlike the circuit) He continues to “enhance” closer and closer to the issue, the thrill of the chase! It shows his commitment to getting it done correctly, I’ll go in a limb and say It brings him more satisfaction than the endless brake jobs!
Had a similar experience with my 1987 Scirocco. Only difference was that it was a hard start, only firing when I RELEASED the key. Didn't take long to find a bad ground and I removed/cleaned/replaced ALL the ground straps on the car. Fired instantly after that. This was a SoCal car, but it had lived most of its life at the beach (salt air). You give good advice.
Thanks so much for using your brain! My steering just acted up yesterday. I found your video and fixed it myself in under an hour. 2020 Silverado with 66K. I watched your 40 minute video and it was worth it. Spent about $12 on an insulated battery cable. THANK YOU!
I want my old 1993 Chevy lwb 1500 w/4.3L and 275,000 miles on it, back. I took care of it, and it still ran exellent and was in solid condition when i traded it off in 2005. That truck was so easy to work on and maintain.
Southern language! You’ve taught me Northern language! Strange words like “rust” & “corrosion”! Sometimes though it’s scares me to see the undersides of of those cars you put up on the rack! Thank you creating all these videos. I’ve learned a lot and I continue to enjoy the ride. I wish I’d had a resource like SMA videos years ago. Best wishes from central Virginia!
Thank you, Eric, this is good to know. I drive a GM, so I will be checking this out for peace of mind. Just one more preventive maintenance on my checklist. You know the old saying; never assume anything, I would rather be safe than sorry stuck on the side of the road. Have a nice day, it is what it is.
Crazy how a man with eyes and a multimeter found this, but "skilled" techs at the manufacture could not. Just more evidence why going to the dealer for anything is usually an exercise in stupidity.
Sometimes you have to go to the dealer because they have specialty tools…not everyone has millions of dollars in tools and equipment laying around. It’s a necessary evil, just like government.
Most dealerships don't have mechanics, they have parts installers. They just go by what the computer tells them is wrong....and they would have replaced every module in that truck and had the exact same problem.
@deplorablelibertarian the dealer "specialty" tools said $3000 worth of moduals. A multimeter and a million dollar mind said $10 ground strap. I'll go with the million dollar mind, thank you.
That's why they have been known for decades as Stealerships. My Mom purchased new, a Dodge K-car. The first month she owned it, it overheated in traffic. I drove an hour to see if I could get it to cool down, and swapped vehicles with her. I directly wired the electric fans to the battery and drove home. Called a friend that was a service manager and pulled some strings to get it on the dealerships computer. I got a call later in the day telling me that the engine computer wasn't the correct computer for the car. Turned out that the car was damaged in transit, and was robbed for parts that weren't in stock. The service manager at the dealership she purchased from got in my face, claiming that it was impossible. Well it was possible and they got sued for not disclosing the repair to both passenger doors.
After seeing this same thing on your other video, this was my first thought. The ground issue is a problem on a lot of newer Camaros too. We in the Camaro community, when we see all the the things going haywire is check grounds.
Most GMs are made here in the USA...Buick is made in China...however most parts are from the mainland...i will always be a GM guy but I don't buy new or newer cars. I've got an 80 Z28, an 04 Suburban, a 12 Cruze Eco and a 13 Cruze LTZ RS. Both my Cruzes were built in lordstown Ohio. And the window sticker proves the engine and trans were built here in the USA too. But anything newer, it's all junk. No matter the manufacturer
I appreciate your diagnostics so much. My manager/store owner will ship a car or say I’m green if I can’t find an issue in 30 minutes. He is a parts cannon. Lately Gm trucks come in with throttle and limp mode codes. When I do voltage drop and find an issue I recommend replacing ground straps or whatever has an issue and get told that ground straps do not effect a car that drastically. lol at that point my hands are tied and I say I can’t diagnose until voltage is correct to prevent a bias diagnosis. Then he ships the car or throws a part at it. Then I get told I am green. (Like those ground straps.) old heads in the shop can be a problem.
An amazing miracle miracle worker those ground straps are designed to fail. They were not doing this back in the 60s and 70s or 80s even.. I worked on all of these old cars they had big huge ground wires just like you put in
Eric, my 1949 Plymouth had the same Exact Problem, but that strap was on top of the engine to the Firewall.... Dad showed that to me when I was watching and learning "mechanics" at the age of 16, this was in 1960 when my school car refused to start.
Always good to revisit a previous fault, albiet some variations, and see if you recall test methods and location of heavily corroded earth cable. Thankyou as a few of these are landing here now.
Your repair process is great and I have confidence in your repairs. I do not have any faith in any one manufacturer being better or more honest with the consumer . As I read another you tuber stated it “ they are all junk just depends on whose junk you want to work on. Thanks for taking us along. Tom
Took 20 years in the salt belt for my 2004 Honda Accord to erode the ground strap like that. It wasn't totally gone but replaced it anyways as it was very green.
It’s to the point where a back yard mechanic can’t work on their own vehicles. That’s why I drive 20 year old cars but at some point it will come full circle. Btw you are the best mechanic bar none. 👍
Had a similar issue with my hhr where the dash was a Christmas tree, looked at all the grounds and all were Good so replaced some sensors and I'm know down too 4 lights but atheist the car will pass inspection with those lights on so I'm not too worried about them except for the air bag light 😅
On a Chevy, yes. They have always had some sort of wiring malpractice since the 1970's. When my Subaru lights everything up, I immediately test the wheel sensors & brake light switch. I should have just replaced all 4 wheel sensors at once. I ended up replacing them slowly over a year as each one pooped it's self. After the 2nd one I stopped even checking the codes. Went straight to testing the wheel sensors. 😂 every make and model has it's own stupidity to contend with. The trick is figuring out the week spots of the one you own, so you don't waste loads of time chasing your tail.
I said the same thing as everyone else watching, ground cable behind the tire. Good video as always. The more electronics in vehicles now the more dangerous it is when a ground goes away.
So glad I stumbled across this channel years ago. I've always disliked anything wiring related.. now I feel like I can fix anything.. all the thanks SMA.... ERIC the best
In my grandpa's 68 Chevrolet pickup, I thought there was something wrong with the steering wheel too!! Turns out it was me driving down a Gravel road!!! I wish I had that pickup today!
I've replaced the ground cable which was turning green at the alternator end. The new cable had sealed ends over the lugs. 2017 Nissan Rogue 2 5 l. No real problems, just preventative maintenance. Thanks Mr O :)
When you mentioned this truck at the end of a previous video, I did a quick Google search and found a post from someone else (who also is a 2019 owner) on the Chevrolet Forum back in 2023, truck only had 43K on it, same problem, unreal.
Hi eric , I've been watching you for quite a while and let me tell you something for you to have 2 of the same problem. 2 different vehicles, It has to make you wonder how many more out there like that. Are prone to fail or have failed already, and people have been cheated on so much money at the dealership world. It's easy to take a truck in replace. A $40 ground cable and then tell them that they replaced $3000 in modules.. And you are right. You know darn well that they're not going to recall that Not unless somebody is hurt killed, and even then they'll deny that it's their problem , They would probably say that its maintenance. Eric, I love your channel. I have learned a lot from you. Thank you for doing what you do I truly appreciate it Matt form michigan
Every single GM truck using that ground strap has that same problem....may not be as soon in some areas, but it'll eventually have that same failure....so....hundreds of thousands of vehicles will actually have that same grounding problem....and not just GM really, I'm sure other automakers use similar grounding straps.
I hate those braided ground cables several years ago they were using them on frieght liner trucks and they would break down and it wasn't uncommon for a driver to go to start the truck and have the power steering hoses start smoking and even catch fire because the power steering hoses has braided wire mesh in them, they would seek ground and cause all kinds of problems, I don't remember there being any recalls, most were just covered under warranty, but we did replace man of them with regular heavy duty battery cable.
I owned a Chevy Celebrity back in the 80s and it had a glitch where when turning the power steering would suddenly lock up for a second. Very scary but fortunately the engine blew up shortly thereafter after so I didn’t have to fix it. Love that 80s GM quality.
Good day all, Had something similar to this on my 17 Silverado. Little different though. I needed a new battery so I went to our local battery expert shop. This is ALL they do is change out and test batteries. Almost $300 for a new super battery that is guaranteed for 5 years and expect 7 or more according to the shop. Next day I go to fire it up and Holy crap, looks like a 4th of July display on my center display. Ended up going to dealership. They actually took decent care of me. Yea, I know a rarity. I waited 3 hrs and thought oh sh-t, here we go. Service manager came and got me and said it's all done. SHE mentioned that there were over 150 codes, is that even possible?? Took them that long to go through them. Turns out the "EXPERT" battery shop didn't TIGHTEN the cable connections completely 😱😱😱. Ended up being charged for 1 hour only labor. Could have taken me for a ride.
I live outside of Rochester and am subject to the salt also. I added a second 4ga lead direct off the battery to frame ground a couple of yrs ago. Wasn't having trouble but didn't want any. When I change oil I always look at these braided straps.
Many years ago my brother had a job installing audio systems in high end vehicles. He completed one in a Ferrari and checked it out. Ready to go! When the customer picked it up he was back right away: the system quit working. In the shop it worked just fine. The problem was a bad engine ground. The audio worked when the parking brake was on, making good contact from the engine to the frame. Release the parking brake: no bueno!
What amazed me is that they charge tens of thousands of dollars for these trucks and they put the cheapest piece of crap grounding strap in the most vulnerable position. At least you had a good sense to use an insulated low gauge cable to replace it with. Honestly, maybe it’s because I work with my Land Rover so much when I see a general, widespread fault with all the electronics the first thing I think of is bad ground. Because that’s one of the few things that can really make literally the entire vehicle go insane. And for shame for the dealer for replacing all those modules.
Yes, after seeing Eric's other recent videos of salt damage, as soon as he displayed those multiple error codes, I was pretty sure he would soon check under the truck for a bad ground.
@@johnwsimpson3153 And electronics HATE bad power. When you see multiple failures like that, you can assume it is not the module. Those techs at that dealership should be shamed publicly. I'm hardly at Eric's level and even I know to check the grounds
Just want to say thank you for the lessons in voltage drops. I've seen a few videos of you doing them and it really came in handy when addressing an Isuzu NRR just the other day. That credit is yours. Thanks bud!
Still lurking all these years later, Great video they all are no matter how many times you go over something you are teaching. Keep up the great videos...ugh today I have to put a water pump in my 92 BMW thanks for the motivation, sir. +100 to all of the DIY folks out there lets go 🙂, leave these stealerships behind!
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“New from GM …. Chevy ground strap module, $799.99” part number FU2.
plus tax, S&H, gratuity !
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@@andymoyer7197 right
I like how the part number tag outlasted the ground strap.
It's the same sticker material on exhausts , they get so hot , don't fall off , just the metal rots away 😂😂😂😂😂
They did it wrong, shoulda asked the boat guys about sacrificial anodes 😂
Priorities.
Ever since you fixed my wife’s car, I haven’t seen her for a week. Thank you!!! 😂
I got a new car for my wife. Greatest trade ever!
just turned 50 never been married. Have a beautiful house and lots of toys
@@youbadolivez Smart man.
@@youbadolivez Ya but no sucky sucky every morning ;(
A man asked a woman to marry him. She said NO. He lived happily ever after.
"We're not going to replace all 27 modules on here, we're not the Chevy dealer here" Had me in stitches
You might as well get you some lighter fluid and a Fry Daddy.
I hear GM is going to start adding a REPLACE VEHICLE SOON light to the instrument cluster. 😂
Hahahaha! I’m a Chevy guy at heart, but I spit out my beer on that one! Good one! The newest Chevy I’ve owned was a brand new 1993 Z28. I’ve been driving Mazda, Honda, Acura and Toyota’s the last 20 years! Currently driving a 2007 Civic Si with 195k miles. Timing belt, clutch assembly and AC compressor replaced once in its life. A few other minor parts replaced as well, like a spool valve, and brake parts. Great cars, those Hondas!
And....like all idiot lights it'll turn on after the vehicle has burned to the ground LOL.
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@@richardbradfield7437 same here ..had many GM vehicles with no major issues ..newest ive had is 04 silverado which i have now....great truck....i do like the interiors and gadgets on newer ones but i value reliability over creature comforts..
I worked on cars for 20+ years and got into the electrical diagnosis aspect. You are in a field by yourself there. Do NOT sell yourself short. I dealt with hundreds of 'parts changers' and even a local Pep Boys who declared that there was no way I could diagnose issues using an analog volt/amp meter when they had the latest state of the art digital testing equipment. The customer was happy when I replaced the "NEW ALTERNATOR" that Pep Boys had installed, with one that actually worked. I put the bad one back on at the customer's request so they could go back to 'the boys' and that is where the analog test equipment argument came from. You are self deprecating but your skills scream otherwise. Your local community is extremely lucky to have someone as skilled AND as honest as you!
Truth.
I have 2 mechanics/techs that I allow to work on my cars. The skilled mechanics are not cheap, but visit and pay once. No 5 return trips.
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Fact.
Just ordered a cable, I do not want my wife's truck to lose the steering. I'll do it as preventative maintenance. Thanks for the videos, much respect, sir! Hope a general motors representative is watching.
I should do the same on my 21 Sierra as a preventive. What a piss poor design!
Ordered, I just made it instead, as I do have the cable, the lugs and it will definitely last longer.
Apply a coat of corrosion inhibitor on your connections like Sanchem no-ox-id A or similar conductive anti corrosion grease.
@@mooseman3136No worse than a Toyota truck frame. They rot equally fast in the Northeast US.
I simply wouldn't use that kind cable. A decent insulated cable would last longer. I'd make my own before I put another OEM Cable on. I'd bolt it to the frame in the engine compartment too. Not down in the salt.
It's concerning that GM wants to become an "all electric" car company in the next couple years, yet they can't even get the wiring right on their gas-powered cars.
It will be interesting to see 100kWh+ battery packs melting wire harnesses when the electric car ground straps rot out.
What does one have to do with the other? Be specific. Conflating is something illiterate people do. Like stating: donald will win an election because people show up to hear him whine. Many seemingly simple similarities are not axiomatic.
Especially for a company that's been in business for 100 years. That strap has been on every car & will be in the future.
@@stephencurry8552Is this a joke?
@@iFixJunk No it most obviously is not. Though you are.
I purchased a 2019 silverado 5.3 crew cab from a local dealer. It had the money light on that 3 dealers and 2 independents couldn't fix. It showed, service ESC, service parking brake, engine power reduced, we put the magic box on her to discover low voltage in the accelerator pedal position sensor, throttle body position sensor. Previous owner replaced the accelerator pedal and they cleaned the throttle body to no avail. We discovered it only coded when the vehicle was in a wet environment. Took a while spraying with water to discover it was at the ECU behind the left front inner fender liner. The bottom wire loom draped down over the top of the frame rail and had a worn spot through it. One little 22 ga. wire had some green crap showing. Just barely touched it and it was in two pieces. Cut the bad section out, soldered a new piece in, shrinked wrapped and sealed, cleared the codes and now it's all better. Hard to find good diagnostic mechanics today. Really enjoy your videos, keep 'em coming.
" Hard to find good diagnostic mechanics today."
Tell me about it. I've been dealing with a lean condition on my old Taurus, and nobody can figure it out.
@@genericsomething Your comment about lean condition didn't contain many details, but I had lean codes on my 03 Silverado when I bought it used with 190k miles on the odo. Condition was borderline as the truck ran well enough. Initial thought was that the mass air flow sensor was dirty or bad, or perhaps the O2 sensors, but they checked out ok. Replacing the fuel filter was enough to get the codes to go away for awhile, but I suspect the root cause was a weak fuel pump as the pump failed a year later.
@@diyguru7531 I had a whole comment typed out and I think I accidentally pressed "cancel."
Anyways, I'm having a performance issue where it's totally gutless above 1500 RPM, like the injectors aren't opening longer than they do at idle. I did a bunch of testing and couldn't figure it out. I found a minor vacuum leak and fixed it, but no change.
I took it to a mechanic who comes highly recommended and I've used him before. He test drove it while logging live data, and performed a bunch of tests. His conclusion is that I needed a new MAF sensor, PCV valve and fuel filter. I bought OEM MAF and PCV and a Wix filter. No change. I took it back, and he couldn't find the problem.
Curent DTCs are P0174 (bank 2 lean), P0430 (B2 cat below efficiency). Pending DTCs are P0171 (bank 1 lean) and P2196 (bank 1 O2 sensor stuck rich) The P0430 code has been around for years with no performance issues.
I've tested the sensors and modules one by one and they all test good. The mechanic also noted how everything tested OK. I'm beginning to suspect a bad computer or clogged cats.
Those are the highlights, I have a notebook full of notes and scribbles.
edit to add: The fuel pump (and filter) was replaced by the same mechanic with a Bosch unit 2 years ago.
Same engineer designed the pre-rusted brake and gas lines. He's a legend!
Don't forget about the defective ignition switches as well.
Thank you for the informative video. I own a 2019 Tundra ( 4.6 V8 ) with 63,000 miles and it's sitting in my backyard with 3 ft tall weeds growing in the bed. Every check engine/brake/pre collision warning/drive start malfunction light is on. Uses about 2 qts of quality synthetic oil every 30 miles. The dash looks like a Christmas tree. Its been to Toyota several times and so far they have no clue. I also own a Ford F-150 with the 3.5 turbo engine. Just turned 89,000 miles and it has cost me well over 3500.00 in repairs in the past 6 months. They don't make trucks like the old days. It appears they are all junk.
Every time you make a video like this the value of my 20 yr old 5.9 & 7.3 trucks goes up! Thank you
I am a professional auto diagnostician. This guy's videos help me out a lot. He does a great job!
Every town needs a man like this. Wish mine had one.
@@eltonyancey6426he's one of the best I've seen, and I've seen a bunch.
same track
Most dealers have parts cannon techs
Grounds, grounds, grounds!!! One of the biggest concerns on automotive electric systems. 40 years in the industry and once in a while I get burned on a few. Love this channel fer sure.
Had a '22 Silverado show up last year. Same symptoms, same issue. Ground puffed up green with corrosion. Sure enough, New York plates. It was super rusty even by Nebraska standards. Sourced him an insulated ground and sent him on his way. And yeah, I learned that from your older video on the same issue
That's a great solution. As corrosive as NY's environment is, I'm curious why Eric didn't replace this strap with an insulated one like you did.
@@jimc.7121 He did install an insulated ground strap, 4 gauge. Watch the video 12:39.
Looks like Eric did use an insulated one here too. He just showed a quick glimpse at the end. I'm guessing he gave it a quick spritz of Fluid Film after that as well
ah, my money is on a liberal douching of the F film😉
Must be made of GM artificial Copper wire. Absolutely bloody disgraceful of them to ignore a safety issue like this 🙄😔
Hey Eric, non automotive guy here. Locksmith that works with low voltage a lot. Your method of approaching a problem works well beyond the automotive world. Thanks for putting your methodology out there. It changed they way I approach faulty hardware. If nothing else, my customers should thank you too.
Actually yes certified technicians are trained to do Voltage drop tests as part of their training. A vast majority of my work at a dealer is electrical diagnosis and repair. I think the problem is dealers not wanting to pay mainline technicians to be properly trained and thus why we have part cannons now.
I'm a machinist and have had my own shop for 17 years.. Never once have I ever had to have a tech come to fix a machine, and I've fixed a lot. The mechanical stuff is simple, and I stumble bum my way through the electrical.. So.. Watching this channel has helped me learn more about more complex diagnosis with what are actually fairly simple electrical circuits. Prior to finding this channel, it was just what I learned on my own or through a message board, applying some of the things I learned in college, experience... etc...
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I enjoy the trouble shooting aspect, working through the problem.. Its how I've always fixed things, but I've never seen anybody else do it, never had any type of guidance, I was just shooting from the hip..
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The mechanical side of working on a vehicle.. Whatever.. The trouble shooting with the electrical is what I find fascinating.. And I do all my own work on my vehicles. I haven't willingly had a vehicle in a shop in 31 year.. I was 19, and the ring gear stripped off my Bronco, and I didn't have the tools to fix it myself.. The unwilling visit was a blown steering box, and it was under warranty and they wouldn't just give me the box and let me put it in myself. I'll even put a vehicle on jack stands and just bring the tire change people the rims so that nobody is messing with my vehicles, but me.. I do have an extra set of rims for my truck, and we just swap those out every 5 or 6 years, and I have a bunch of spare tires.
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I even tackled a circuit board that controls a pellet stove the other day using these same exact principals. I figured it was just a big ass transistor, the one that cycles the most (Just for fun, I found a replacement in a dead Kurig that controls the heating element).. Take one step further back, a funky light activated transistor to keep electrical isolation.. And that wasn't it.. Which puts it back into the chip, which is beyond my pay grade, and time for a new board.. Which has actually come down almost $200 from 8 months ago when I started messing with the thing. I was just going to "parts cannon" the big transistor into it, but watching these videos made me TEST.. And I did, and I would have been wasting my time.
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The problem solving process goes beyond cars, its just really nice to see somebody lay it out.
As soon as you showed the symptoms, I said out loud "This feels familiar.." It is absolutely insane to me how often grounds are overlooked and people fire up the parts cannon.
It felt familiar the first time it came up! Was I the only one screaming at the screen "GROUND FAULT" even before Eric said it? On and then the parts swappers at the Stealership.. Another reason my vehicle never goes anywhere other than my own garage.. Geez!
So true
Those grounds do not make them money.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people in your area are very lucky to have you there working on their vehicles.
Honest, hard working, and educated.
45 seconds in and I’m like “I remember this, ground strap on the frame” good stuff Mr O
gm is aware of the problem, just no word on if they will address it publicly..... "Braided Ground Strap Corroded Causing Poor Connection At G131 / G133"
Screw the factory strap......make up several battery cables and ground both sides of the subframe and body!!
Have to be careful with adding in new grounding paths, you can accidentally polarize the block/crank or cam since now electrons are flowing through the block. Polarzing those parts would throw off the crank positions/cam positions and wreak havoc on your engines operations when the ECU receives errant signals. Best to stick to factory ground pathing design, but ensure the cabling itself is of higher quality than the OE junk being used.
Like driving a triple7 max?? Wtf @@wheresbrent
@@ronpflugrath2712hmmm dunno. what's a Triple 7 max?
@@wheresbrent bad electronics that killed over 300 people in only 2 crashes and caused plane groundings
@@wheresbrentabsolutely false. That’s not how DC electricity works at all.
Whatever you’re charging it’s a bargain. You troubleshoot skills are amazing,not only fast but accurate. Amazing watching your videos!!!!
Growing up as a kid, I had two brand affiliations, the Toronto Maple Leafs and Chevrolet. So, I shed a tear every time both of those organizations predictably fail, year by year. To put a ground strap within an inch of the wheel well, close to where salt, water and dirt splashes up every day, is nothing less than an "own goal". The surprise is that even though many devices are bolted to the frame, that single ground strap is still critically important.
I like the “own goal” reference
I wonder if you were also a Leafs fan in the early 80's when their so called "talent" consisted of the likes of Rocky Saganiuk, Jiri Crha and Normand Aubin?
Even as a second video, its still showing yiu dont assume what the issue is, but develop a theory from experience and then proceed to find the actual issue. Love your channel
I didn't think it was a stupid video. "We're not the Chevy dealer, we're not going to say that" That was cold! Love it!
I own a 2019 as well and just recently had the same warnings and symptoms happen after being on a 2 1/2 hour trip. Luckily for me they accrued while my family and I were backing into the driveway thanksgiving nite. Had this happened while driving not sure what the outcome would have been. I’m one to usually search the web for similar problems and ran across your video. What a true saint you are to share all this helpful info.
Awesome puts a real cable on.......tell ya this guy is incredible ........turned wrenches long time till i just got sick of this.......electronic everything.......trust folks. Eric o is a rockstar on this stuff
I’m glad I live in the desert. No road salt no rust no corrosion no issues. 251,000 miles on my 2005 Chevy trucks original ground straps, engine, trans and diff
As a GM Stockholder, I want Mary Barra and the clowns in the GM Ivory Tower to be forced to watch your videos at least once a week.
All Americans are GM share holders. Most don't know that fact.
@@bobcook8576 And Ford too they got bailed out in 08 .
Well said...
GM is half owned by China. They are the major stockholders.
@@LesReevesI mean really if the government is giving away free money why wouldn't they take it?
Recalls only happen when the cost of potential lawsuits exceeds the cost of the repairs.
Recalls happen only for safety items, not for common problems.
You should offer this as "preventive maintenance " on cars that dont have this problem yet.
I don't follow other mechanics on YT, but I have to say, your diag skills are top notch. Thanks for another great video.
I don't live in the salt belt so that is not likely to happen to me but your diagnosis verified your suspicions. The steering issue would have never been a problem with hydraulic steering.
The auto industry these days seem to be full of genius's. They are the ones that deem transverse front wheel drive, direct injection, CVT's, malaise era drivetrains, etc. to be "superior" and force you to put up with them and tell you that "You will have nothing and be happy".
@@billdang3953 Don't worry-the EVs will be next...
Dude! After dealing with (5) customer service departments today, (2) of which, you can’t even talk to a human.
Not auto related.
But anyway, your integrity always brings me back to life.
Thanks a million for sharing!
I was standing on my creaky HF step stool right before coming in and watching you standing on your creaky HF step stool.
Great video, never stupid.
You had me at „let’s do some voltage drop testing“!
Dude....middle of the day SMA video???? I'm stoked!!!!! All we need is Mrs. O to pop out in the video and we'll be set.
i thought you said smoked wow. know were my mind is at.
It would be awesome if she'd wear a bikini to the office.
Don't forget the Lawnmower Man!
This whole “If I can do it, you can do it” when it comes to you Eric you are a lot wiser than most of us finding these problems. I have been watching this channel for well over a year and you seem to know how to find these electrical (rotten cables, wires etc) like no others. And you have proven so many times that these dealer techs and their parts cannon machine is not the answer. All the best to you and your family Eric.
Thanks to Ole Eric-O after watching your original video with the $3000 2019 Chevy Trail Boss electronic steering issue with the dreaded green puss braided ground strap failure I checked my 2019 Trail Boss and it was turning green so I replaced it then coated with Fluid Film. 👍🏼
i think that warrents some merch/swag purchases from SMA, imho, just sayin pay it forward 😉
@@raylinden3622 Way ahead of you Ray. 👍🏼 I ordered a t-shirt and a decal as I appreciate everything Eric posts.
I’ve also purchased many tools after seeing him using them on a vehicle. Take Care
Good video. I had a similar gremlin on an S10, main complaint was intermitant wipers I thought for sure it would be the solder joints on the wiper circuit board. yes it had wiper issues but i could also get other items to kick out. Hours latter I found a partially corroded connection on a 40A wire connecting underhood fuse box to the interior fuse box. What made the repair so lengthy was my friend was leaning on the underhood fuse box for the initial test and it changed my voltage on the interior voltage checks.,
I never understood the logic behind the uninsulated ground strap. Good call not putting the OEM strap back and using an insulated ground.
That just holds the water in.
It needs to be flexible over its short run. The plating should protect it, but I bet the vendor cheaped out on it (the plating). It seems to be an issue cropping up more and more, across the board. I had my license plate illumination bulb sockets completely tore up within 3 years on an f150... I've seen lots of other examples, as well, just in my diy/shade tree experience.
@@mattmanyam
But license plate illumination won’t kill you when it fails.
@@matthewgaines10 agreed! I'm just offering another example of the plating being subpar.
From the little electrical engineering I’ve studied, the flat ground strap passes more current than a number 4 cable due to the skin effect of the wire, although that cable should be sufficient. It certainly passes more current than that sketched out strap😂. Current passes along the outside skin of the wire, which is why they use so many strands, (of course it also adds flexibility). Once again, excellent and honest work. Like the other poster hinted at, maybe you can take us along for one of your ice cream stops😊.
@@SimiNelsonFamily Skin effect is only applicable to AC current and is more pronounced at high frequencies, not so much at e.g. 60 Hz. DC is not affected. The reason they use many strands is to make a wire flexible so the strands flex uniformly and don't break under vibration.
I love when he is on to something, and becomes noticeably energized (unlike the circuit)
He continues to “enhance” closer and closer to the issue, the thrill of the chase!
It shows his commitment to getting it done correctly, I’ll go in a limb and say It brings him more satisfaction than the endless brake jobs!
The Force is with you Master Jedi. Bravo!
Had a similar experience with my 1987 Scirocco. Only difference was that it was a hard start, only firing when I RELEASED the key. Didn't take long to find a bad ground and I removed/cleaned/replaced ALL the ground straps on the car. Fired instantly after that. This was a SoCal car, but it had lived most of its life at the beach (salt air). You give good advice.
As soon as you showed the "failure" of multiple modules I thought GROUND issue...I guess I really was listening to your previous videos :)
Thanks so much for using your brain! My steering just acted up yesterday. I found your video and fixed it myself in under an hour. 2020 Silverado with 66K. I watched your 40 minute video and it was worth it. Spent about $12 on an insulated battery cable. THANK YOU!
*cable breaks*
Mr. O, “There’s your problem Lady!”
I want my old 1993 Chevy lwb 1500 w/4.3L and 275,000 miles on it, back. I took care of it, and it still ran exellent and was in solid condition when i traded it off in 2005. That truck was so easy to work on and maintain.
NAPA Belden lifetime warranty. I worked years ago for NAPA and Belden products are top notch.
Southern language! You’ve taught me Northern language! Strange words like “rust” & “corrosion”! Sometimes though it’s scares me to see the undersides of of those cars you put up on the rack!
Thank you creating all these videos. I’ve learned a lot and I continue to enjoy the ride. I wish I’d had a resource like SMA videos years ago. Best wishes from central Virginia!
Chevy Dealer: We think maybe your vehicle has been struck by lightning. We need to replace every module.
Chevy Dealer: Oh, and since it was a power surge, it’s not covered under warranty
@@doug184naw dealer always tell us it’s normal. Told them I’ll buy abnormal Toyota next time
@@doug184 That's why Scotty Kilmer shows a Chevy dealership pic whenever he mentions junkyards.😀
"Chivy Thunder"😂
@@sonnygsmith3207The Chevy videos always make the Chevy truck guys pucker up and get all worked up. Lol
Thank you, Eric, this is good to know. I drive a GM, so I will be checking this out for peace of mind. Just one more preventive maintenance on my checklist. You know the old saying; never assume anything, I would rather be safe than sorry stuck on the side of the road. Have a nice day, it is what it is.
Crazy how a man with eyes and a multimeter found this, but "skilled" techs at the manufacture could not. Just more evidence why going to the dealer for anything is usually an exercise in stupidity.
That's because all the techs in a dealer are nothing but parts changers anymore.
Sometimes you have to go to the dealer because they have specialty tools…not everyone has millions of dollars in tools and equipment laying around. It’s a necessary evil, just like government.
Most dealerships don't have mechanics, they have parts installers. They just go by what the computer tells them is wrong....and they would have replaced every module in that truck and had the exact same problem.
@deplorablelibertarian the dealer "specialty" tools said $3000 worth of moduals. A multimeter and a million dollar mind said $10 ground strap. I'll go with the million dollar mind, thank you.
That's why they have been known for decades as Stealerships.
My Mom purchased new, a Dodge K-car. The first month she owned it, it overheated in traffic. I drove an hour to see if I could get it to cool down, and swapped vehicles with her.
I directly wired the electric fans to the battery and drove home. Called a friend that was a service manager and pulled some strings to get it on the dealerships computer. I got a call later in the day telling me that the engine computer wasn't the correct computer for the car.
Turned out that the car was damaged in transit, and was robbed for parts that weren't in stock. The service manager at the dealership she purchased from got in my face, claiming that it was impossible. Well it was possible and they got sued for not disclosing the repair to both passenger doors.
After seeing this same thing on your other video, this was my first thought. The ground issue is a problem on a lot of newer Camaros too. We in the Camaro community, when we see all the the things going haywire is check grounds.
No Mrs O, No Ice Cream... I want my money back!!! : )
I did a full refund 😅
You got what you paid for!
Damn! Now you've got me wanting ice cream and it's 109 out there. lol
Luna too.
I !I've these electrical issue videos. Watching, not doing. These can be very frustrating. Kudos, you're doing the job that others already should be.
They might recall it, but make you drive it to their Chinese HQ to get the fix.... man how GM has fallen. Thanks as always, Eric.
They won’t recall if they never find it. They are not as good as you at finding problems.
Most GMs are made here in the USA...Buick is made in China...however most parts are from the mainland...i will always be a GM guy but I don't buy new or newer cars. I've got an 80 Z28, an 04 Suburban, a 12 Cruze Eco and a 13 Cruze LTZ RS. Both my Cruzes were built in lordstown Ohio. And the window sticker proves the engine and trans were built here in the USA too. But anything newer, it's all junk. No matter the manufacturer
Fallen? Have American vehicles been known for their robustness?
My 18 sienna has 300k miles on it no problems. It's definitely an American ethics issue@@thagerdorn2009
Are You American!!@@robertide5182
I appreciate your diagnostics so much. My manager/store owner will ship a car or say I’m green if I can’t find an issue in 30 minutes. He is a parts cannon. Lately Gm trucks come in with throttle and limp mode codes. When I do voltage drop and find an issue I recommend replacing ground straps or whatever has an issue and get told that ground straps do not effect a car that drastically. lol at that point my hands are tied and I say I can’t diagnose until voltage is correct to prevent a bias diagnosis. Then he ships the car or throws a part at it. Then I get told I am green. (Like those ground straps.) old heads in the shop can be a problem.
Yup, that's the difference between a technician and mechanic.
Thanks for the informative videos Mr. O.
An amazing miracle miracle worker those ground straps are designed to fail. They were not doing this back in the 60s and 70s or 80s even.. I worked on all of these old cars they had big huge ground wires just like you put in
Eric, my 1949 Plymouth had the same Exact Problem,
but that strap was on top of the engine to the Firewall....
Dad showed that to me when I was watching and learning "mechanics" at the age of 16, this was in 1960 when my school car refused to start.
Always good to revisit a previous fault, albiet some variations, and see if you recall test methods and location of heavily corroded earth cable. Thankyou as a few of these are landing here now.
That ground strap is your classic 5 year chevy warranty. Designed to fail after warranty is up
"We're not the Chevy dealer We're not gonna say that" 😂😂😂 had me DIYing love you Eric you're the best
Chevy, and ground problems, I think Columbus figured this out when he missed the United States and discovered Ohio!!! Thanks for the videos!
Your repair process is great and I have confidence in your repairs. I do not have any faith in any one manufacturer being better or more honest with the consumer . As I read another you tuber stated it “ they are all junk just depends on whose junk you want to work on. Thanks for taking us along. Tom
Took 20 years in the salt belt for my 2004 Honda Accord to erode the ground strap like that. It wasn't totally gone but replaced it anyways as it was very green.
It’s to the point where a back yard mechanic can’t work on their own vehicles. That’s why I drive 20 year old cars but at some point it will come full circle. Btw you are the best mechanic bar none. 👍
Ditto...2x twenty years, one 33 years old.
You do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around. A bad ground that's what its all about. Experience is a good thing.
You are the best auto electronic technition I've ever watched on 'youtube'. Thanks!
When the dash is lit up brighter than a Christmas tree, and numerous devices don't work properly, you ALWAYS start by looking for a bad ground!
Had a similar issue with my hhr where the dash was a Christmas tree, looked at all the grounds and all were Good so replaced some sensors and I'm know down too 4 lights but atheist the car will pass inspection with those lights on so I'm not too worried about them except for the air bag light 😅
Unless you're the Chevy dealer where the most obvious thing to do is replace 37 modules.
@@earthoid Good one!
On a Chevy, yes. They have always had some sort of wiring malpractice since the 1970's. When my Subaru lights everything up, I immediately test the wheel sensors & brake light switch. I should have just replaced all 4 wheel sensors at once. I ended up replacing them slowly over a year as each one pooped it's self. After the 2nd one I stopped even checking the codes. Went straight to testing the wheel sensors. 😂 every make and model has it's own stupidity to contend with. The trick is figuring out the week spots of the one you own, so you don't waste loads of time chasing your tail.
Thanks to your first video on this problem I have ben able to fix 3 customers cars that other shops couldn't fix. Thanks for the great videos
I said the same thing as everyone else watching, ground cable behind the tire. Good video as always. The more electronics in vehicles now the more dangerous it is when a ground goes away.
So glad I stumbled across this channel years ago. I've always disliked anything wiring related.. now I feel like I can fix anything.. all the thanks SMA.... ERIC the best
In my grandpa's 68 Chevrolet pickup, I thought there was something wrong with the steering wheel too!! Turns out it was me driving down a Gravel road!!! I wish I had that pickup today!
This just happened to my 2019 trail boss. Thank God I found this video. It worked perfectly and fixed the issue! Thank you so much!!!!!
The Rust Belt claimed another victim !
I've replaced the ground cable which was turning green at the alternator end. The new cable had sealed ends over the lugs. 2017 Nissan Rogue 2 5 l. No real problems, just preventative maintenance. Thanks Mr O :)
Hahahahaah “ we’re not the Chevy dealer” lmao
When you mentioned this truck at the end of a previous video, I did a quick Google search and found a post from someone else (who also is a 2019 owner) on the Chevrolet Forum back in 2023, truck only had 43K on it, same problem, unreal.
"37 modules go bad at the same time. We're not the chevy dealer. We're not gonna say that" Love ya Eric!
I like the way you fixed/replaced the ground strap with a better battery ground cable. Last longer that’s for sure 👍🏻
Hi eric , I've been watching you for quite a while and let me tell you something for you to have 2 of the same problem. 2 different vehicles, It has to make you wonder how many more out there like that. Are prone to fail or have failed already, and people have been cheated on so much money at the dealership world. It's easy to take a truck in replace. A $40 ground cable and then tell them that they replaced $3000 in modules.. And you are right. You know darn well that they're not going to recall that Not unless somebody is hurt killed, and even then they'll deny that it's their problem , They would probably say that its maintenance. Eric, I love your channel. I have learned a lot from you. Thank you for doing what you do I truly appreciate it Matt form michigan
Every single GM truck using that ground strap has that same problem....may not be as soon in some areas, but it'll eventually have that same failure....so....hundreds of thousands of vehicles will actually have that same grounding problem....and not just GM really, I'm sure other automakers use similar grounding straps.
@@wildbill23c Silicone covered groundstrap ,2o years 5 cent little late protection .
You're the man! Hands down best youtube channel.
When the paper label outlasts the part , you know you got a chevy.
Seriously, how pathetic.
And I thought finding one (of 3) of those rotted out at 12y was bad.
They haven't figured out how to make paper that rusts yet. Once they do, you'll see it today in your Chevrolet.
Damn lol
When your engine blows, you know you got a toyota.
I can say the same thing about a Ford I worked there and made a ton of $!
GM isn’t going to acknowledge anything, a matter of fact none of the manufacturers will. Great job as usual. I really enjoy your videos!
I hate those braided ground cables several years ago they were using them on frieght liner trucks and they would break down and it wasn't uncommon for a driver to go to start the truck and have the power steering hoses start smoking and even catch fire because the power steering hoses has braided wire mesh in them, they would seek ground and cause all kinds of problems, I don't remember there being any recalls, most were just covered under warranty, but we did replace man of them with regular heavy duty battery cable.
Yeah that’s crazy 2 vehicles you have done now with the same exact problem. You can let NHTSA know and then they can probably do something about it.
Another car comes in with a gas tank as dry as a popcorn fart!
Probably because the monthly payment leaves the person broke. Prices of new are insane
Wow. Making another video on this definitely has value. Now everyone who owns that truck model should know to look for this issue specifically.
The meeting for the grounding strap probably went “what pay more for a grounding strap nah but hey lets add five more modules”.
I owned a Chevy Celebrity back in the 80s and it had a glitch where when turning the power steering would suddenly lock up for a second. Very scary but fortunately the engine blew up shortly thereafter after so I didn’t have to fix it. Love that 80s GM quality.
Good day all,
Had something similar to this on my 17 Silverado. Little different though. I needed a new battery so I went to our local battery expert shop. This is ALL they do is change out and test batteries.
Almost $300 for a new super battery that is guaranteed for 5 years and expect 7 or more according to the shop. Next day I go to fire it up and Holy crap, looks like a 4th of July display on my center display. Ended up going to dealership. They actually took decent care of me. Yea, I know a rarity. I waited 3 hrs and thought oh sh-t, here we go. Service manager came and got me and said it's all done. SHE mentioned that there were over 150 codes, is that even possible?? Took them that long to go through them. Turns out the "EXPERT" battery shop didn't TIGHTEN the cable connections completely 😱😱😱. Ended up being charged for 1 hour only labor. Could have taken me for a ride.
I live outside of Rochester and am subject to the salt also. I added a second 4ga lead direct off the battery to frame ground a couple of yrs ago. Wasn't having trouble but didn't want any. When I change oil I always look at these braided straps.
We call them dust straps 😉
Many years ago my brother had a job installing audio systems in high end vehicles. He completed one in a Ferrari and checked it out. Ready to go! When the customer picked it up he was back right away: the system quit working. In the shop it worked just fine. The problem was a bad engine ground. The audio worked when the parking brake was on, making good contact from the engine to the frame. Release the parking brake: no bueno!
What amazed me is that they charge tens of thousands of dollars for these trucks and they put the cheapest piece of crap grounding strap in the most vulnerable position. At least you had a good sense to use an insulated low gauge cable to replace it with.
Honestly, maybe it’s because I work with my Land Rover so much when I see a general, widespread fault with all the electronics the first thing I think of is bad ground. Because that’s one of the few things that can really make literally the entire vehicle go insane. And for shame for the dealer for replacing all those modules.
It's actually a decent ground strap. *BUT* it doesn't survive well in the areas that use road salt...
@@jeffl4810so it’s not a decent ground strap for a vehicle.
@@jeffl4810 that only includes the entire northern half of the country. I’ve worked on 60 year old Land Rovers and they had better ground straps.
Yes, after seeing Eric's other recent videos of salt damage, as soon as he displayed those multiple error codes, I was pretty sure he would soon check under the truck for a bad ground.
@@johnwsimpson3153 And electronics HATE bad power. When you see multiple failures like that, you can assume it is not the module. Those techs at that dealership should be shamed publicly. I'm hardly at Eric's level and even I know to check the grounds
Just want to say thank you for the lessons in voltage drops. I've seen a few videos of you doing them and it really came in handy when addressing an Isuzu NRR just the other day. That credit is yours. Thanks bud!
Unbelievable for a truck to cost as much as it is and that low of milage to go breezerk no excuse for that GM!!!!
Still lurking all these years later, Great video they all are no matter how many times you go over something you are teaching. Keep up the great videos...ugh today I have to put a water pump in my 92 BMW thanks for the motivation, sir. +100 to all of the DIY folks out there lets go 🙂, leave these stealerships behind!