Could'nt see this live but I really liked this discussion. I'm agnostic but I'm glad you got Vimoh on this channel who understands whats happening in India. To the haters here, I've studied the vedas and sanskrit traditionally in a pathashala who was fortunate to have a secular education and I think Vimoh has represented the subconscious Indian mentality very well.
My first video of your channel, and my first comment here. Am an Indian living in USA. You’re extremely brave person Mr. Harris. It takes unbelievable amount of courage to do what you’re doing being a Pakistani and being a Muslim. Great work 👍🏼 Learnt an interesting phrase today “Intelligent Acrobatics” 😂 17:30 thanks Vimoh ji.
46:40, Vimoh Sir. That's their idealistic end goal(to merge with Brahman- The ultimate pure reality/consciousness). Till that isn't achieved, a soul remains in the cycle of rebirths. Read Upanishads(BrihadAranyaka, Chhandogya, Katha, Mundaka and Taittiriya, etc), Bhagwad Gita and Brahma Sutras( The 3 paths/PrasthanTrayi of all Vedanta schools). Rebirth and Karma are axiomatic faith principles of all Vedanta schools..
According to Great Mystic Saint of india -Ramana Maharshi, the simple method of realizing truth is through self-inquiry, specifically by asking the question "Who am I?" This practice involves turning one's attention inward and questioning the nature of the self. By earnestly seeking the source of the "I" thought and continuously inquiring into one's own awareness, individuals can eventually experience a direct realization of their true nature beyond the limitations of the ego and the mind. This process of self-inquiry is considered a straightforward and direct path to self-realization in Ramana Maharshi's teachings.
"Doubt and investigate your consciousness, inquire into the 'I' feeling and ego. Realize through direct inquiry rather than blind belief." -Ramana Maharshi .
49:52, Stithprajna(In Bhagwad Gita). Also non attachment in Buddhism. The one who isn't attached to the fruits of Karma. It's considered a good quality in all Indian religions..
The only thing i found problematic is vimoh advocating for a political power shift. I mean we were miserable when the left was ruling anyway. BJP to me seems like the least worst option that we have.
46:05, I don't know about Deepak Chopra but Vimohji, u are wrong about Advaita concept here.. Read Bhaja Govindam strotra by Advaita Vedanta exponent(Adi Shankara). It's mentioned there:- Punaraapi jananam Purarapi Marnam; Punarpi Janani Jathare shayanam. Reincarnation is the central concept of all Dharma and Karma believing philosophies. They maybe Athiestic/Agnostic wrt to Universe's creator/controller(God). Thus, Advaita Vedanta is predicated on concept of Rebirth. U are wrong with view of Advaita Vedanta(I don't know about crackpot theories of Deepak Chopra)..
he comes live on youtube for open debate on every saturday ... so you can debate there..if you are truly confident in your argument..otherwise youre just being a hypocrite to yourself
42:56, Sorry Vimohji. U are not adequately correct here. Not only comfort but an assurance that an Atman with these practices can come out of cycle of rebirths and Karma is the biggest motivation for those who have studied these philosophies. And the mythology and other connected concepts of Hinduism reinforce this faith.
Yes moditva is hindutva . And it will collapse with Modi . Kuch karne ki zaroorat nahi hai . It is the composition of how india is . There will definitely be pockets of space for bigotry but there might not be another movement like this . Hindutva is a political movement it will collapse . Like many other Hindu practices have collapsed politically . It will take time definitely . Btw great discussion . You should do more with him .
@@nitishsaxena1372 it will linger but will not burn . That is the summary . Maybe you do not remember history . Right always fires when the left is found lacking . But once people see the fire they run against it especially Indians . You should maybe broaden your viewing lens to decades .
@@nitishsaxena1372true. But 2 reasons. There is no alternative to BJP. There will always be in any community, who feel they belong to it. And they will crave for someone who represents it. So BJP will always have a 15-30% base support. ALWAYS...even after 100 years. 2nd- Abrahamic religions are anti-hindu. So as long as they are anti-hindu, reactionary support for Hinduism will always exist.
While vimoh is good in most parts.. But he doesn't know much about Advaita Vedanta.. He needs to research more about Advaita.. It's not good to be on a platform as an expert, speaking confidently but wrongly..Harris looks interested in Advaita, more like a sci-fi movie concept to him..
This guy might have a point about atheism and BJP lacking of secular politics. But oh man this soft spoken guest has a very ideological position on the left. It's not even left its just anti BJP. Hope you bring in some neutral or centrists person from India who is atheist, or this is going to be a circle jerk.
@@PakistaniMulhidUrdu nothing wrong in being anti BJP, but he should not brush under the carpet the oppositions wrongs. His Twitter timeline looks more like a bjp hit page rather than a critique for any of the party by its ideological and action on the ground approach. He is very silent on non BJP parties, so makes it seem like he is pleasing his base.
33:41, Maya is the power of Brahman that creates the material world and creates the difference of me and other. So we living in the realm of Maya acknowledge that Vimoh is conversing with Harris. That's the part of Advaita Theory(Of Shankaracharya). BTW I am no fan of Advaita philosophy. I being a believer am more inclined to Vishishta Advaita/Achintya BhedaBheda. Dvaita(Of Madhva) is the most unacceptable to me. Coz it negates the principle of Panenthieism of Hinduism which I feel is the underlying and defining feature of Hinduism(Refer Purusha Suktam of Rigveda(10.090) and Yajurvedas- both Black and White Yajurvedas..)
40:10, The state where you forget your ego and identity and observe the whole material universe(or universes) is reflection of Supreme consciousness(Brahman). The background is that human is embedded into net of material world and has to undergo rebirths(Its an axiomatic belief of all Indian religions. This can be believed/not. Its a matter of faith) due to his forgetting the relation between him and God(Brahman). He has desires so he is bounded by Karma. To stop rebirth and come out of realm of Karma(Sins and merits), one has to know & realize this relationship and forego his ego and desires. Thus, By this knowledge an atman(Living being- an individual) can:- 1) Come out of Material world which is full of joy and sorrows. 2) Come out of never ending cycle of Karma. 3) Come out of infinite cycle of rebirths. All these beliefs predicated upon the concept of existence of KARMA and REBIRTH..
अभी तुम्है बहुत ज्ञान की जरूरत है बेटे तुम्हारी बुद्धि कुंद है इस्लाम इफ़ेक्ट के कारण तुम्हारा झंडु दोस्त proove करना चाहता कि बहुत ज्ञान है खोखला चना है अभी ये
@@amandmx aapkee bhasha see aapkee sanskar mata pita parvarish kaa pata chal raha hain inlogo ko incarnations aur advait ke expert ko bulana chahiye thaa
Harris sir it has been nearly 3-4 months i have been watching you not because you are some guy bashing Pakistan all the time the reason many indians listen to you is because the neutral thoughts you have, the ability to understand islams motives(ex muslim to be precise) and last one which I love "AETHIST" so not only you'll bash islam but Hinduism and also Christianity which is absolutely what India's motives are (fr that's what Indian youth are doing this, it wasn't like we did 300 poojas and won the war did 200 poojas and temple was built on it's own it was work of every community every kingdom every person) what really happened in this podcast was the soo called claimed "aethist" here and claimed that hindutva (no relation with other community) is about bringing back hierarchy? THIS IS FALSE AND MISINFORMATION AND I WANT YOU TO CHECK THE 7 POINT OF HINDUTVA THE FATHER OF HINDUTVA SAVARVAR JI LITERALLY ON THE TIP ON THE TONGUES SAID 7 shackles he wanted to break • Veda rites which are harmful and separates/kills should be abolished •untouchable laws in vedas should be abolished •Doesn't matter your caste together we should eat no caste discrimination •Intercaste marriage should happen to bring real harmony in religion •One who left Hinduism can convert back (which was impossible sometime ago but it is okay now) •if you are born in lower caste you can pick up any LITERALLY any occupation you want does not matter it it's king, warrior, helper anything(no nepotism bullshit/or discrimination that your job is this you can't do that) •last but not least is prohibition on seafaring should be abolished (only this point is not to my understanding but other points are available in his own books and many other articles which leftist will never talk about ) And Harris sir there is LITERALLY nothing we indians never critised every god we have debated with some may agree and some may not but it's reality some have took advantage of caste and money and some have not I don't say that Hinduism has 100% everything correct and up to date but that's the thing about Hinduism that veds were written by scholars, and many aethist at that time, debaters which completely disagree with each other (though still believed god but debate was still there, not like you can never ask questions) and the leftists which our whole life taught us to stomp your culture and accept xyz religion and let alone our culture they bad mouthed our whole history in the name of Islam, and Christianity it's not like we hate anything we simply don't care like really we don't care but the question again rises does that mean if we became aethist(worst type of secularism) we should just throw our history and be like "yeah bud slap that modern secularism on our face our culture is full of shame" which they say that equality wasn't here or this or that sir WE NEVER DENIED THAT IS WASNT WRONG just some radicals might make up stories and justify but will lose miserably cuz there were many evil people too taking advantage and trust me no matter how many billion years pass by most Hindus will keep saying that what's wrong is wrong what's right is right and I sincerely appreciate your work Harris sir but listening India's history, present, future from a leftist which without knowing says that hindutva model is supremacy and crap like that just cuz it has hindu in its name and it was mainly 'FOR THE HINDUS TO REFORM THEIR RELIGION" nothing else but leftists have to make some type of dumb propoganda and lastly Harris sir that I don't really doubt you on your views according to me you are all the times correct with the facts (par akele hi joke marke haste ho koi ni usme bhi maja atta hai Punjabi logo ki hasi bhi mast hi hoti hai) but people you hear from are the worst representators like this guy i seriously disagree with 90% cuz as a kid I only went to temple 5 or some times and many kids in this area rarely go too(the number of convent and other neutral schools are some many that can't tell you fr kids don't even take much seriously this stuffs and unlike we don't have any hindu madrasa) but the constant hate I was fed made me read my scriptures and it's not absolutely correct but it's managable and very much good and not the worst to provoke violence against someone and those which are violating are condemned seriously hard and it was later this crap I know glad to be hindu and Harris you may call me narrow minded or what's so every but I am what I am and I'll condemn anything that is wrong does not matter if that thing is even written in my scriptures and "I want to you to do podcast with any right wing like alok ranjan and if he says that "yeah we won't talk on Hindus not condemning their wrong practices or some idiot ideology" on the spot I'll seriously stop following those people" P.s :- if you found something rude i apologise it was not intentional I hope you stay safe and healthy like this and spread awareness about everything and all the things (if some radical Hindus are getting on fire i assure you they dont know you enough nor they know Indian culture nor they know Hinduism)
loved it..two of my best desi atheists
VIMOH brother clear with his points as always 👍🏻
Could'nt see this live but I really liked this discussion. I'm agnostic but I'm glad you got Vimoh on this channel who understands whats happening in India. To the haters here, I've studied the vedas and sanskrit traditionally in a pathashala who was fortunate to have a secular education and I think Vimoh has represented the subconscious Indian mentality very well.
My first video of your channel, and my first comment here.
Am an Indian living in USA. You’re extremely brave person Mr. Harris. It takes unbelievable amount of courage to do what you’re doing being a Pakistani and being a Muslim.
Great work 👍🏼
Learnt an interesting phrase today “Intelligent Acrobatics” 😂 17:30 thanks Vimoh ji.
excellent discussion
46:40, Vimoh Sir. That's their idealistic end goal(to merge with Brahman- The ultimate pure reality/consciousness). Till that isn't achieved, a soul remains in the cycle of rebirths. Read Upanishads(BrihadAranyaka, Chhandogya, Katha, Mundaka and Taittiriya, etc), Bhagwad Gita and Brahma Sutras( The 3 paths/PrasthanTrayi of all Vedanta schools). Rebirth and Karma are axiomatic faith principles of all Vedanta schools..
Main Aap dono ka bahut badaa Fan hu....keep it up👍Caste ko janne k liye Baba sahab AMBEDKAR ko JAROOR pade sir
I like your discussion.
According to Great Mystic Saint of india -Ramana Maharshi, the simple method of realizing truth is through self-inquiry, specifically by asking the question "Who am I?" This practice involves turning one's attention inward and questioning the nature of the self. By earnestly seeking the source of the "I" thought and continuously inquiring into one's own awareness, individuals can eventually experience a direct realization of their true nature beyond the limitations of the ego and the mind. This process of self-inquiry is considered a straightforward and direct path to self-realization in Ramana Maharshi's teachings.
"Doubt and investigate your consciousness, inquire into the 'I' feeling and ego. Realize through direct inquiry rather than blind belief." -Ramana Maharshi .
The Deepak Chopra tactic, use fancy words to say all kinda mumbo jumbo.
I m seeing this one year later..but its very joyful and m happy to see you both..
49:52, Stithprajna(In Bhagwad Gita). Also non attachment in Buddhism. The one who isn't attached to the fruits of Karma. It's considered a good quality in all Indian religions..
Great talk 👏
The only thing i found problematic is vimoh advocating for a political power shift. I mean we were miserable when the left was ruling anyway. BJP to me seems like the least worst option that we have.
Good combination both of you
46:05, I don't know about Deepak Chopra but Vimohji, u are wrong about Advaita concept here..
Read Bhaja Govindam strotra by Advaita Vedanta exponent(Adi Shankara). It's mentioned there:- Punaraapi jananam Purarapi Marnam; Punarpi Janani Jathare shayanam. Reincarnation is the central concept of all Dharma and Karma believing philosophies. They maybe Athiestic/Agnostic wrt to Universe's creator/controller(God). Thus, Advaita Vedanta is predicated on concept of Rebirth. U are wrong with view of Advaita Vedanta(I don't know about crackpot theories of Deepak Chopra)..
he comes live on youtube for open debate on every saturday ... so you can debate there..if you are truly confident in your argument..otherwise youre just being a hypocrite to yourself
Asthavakra gita padh bhai aisa koi rebirth ka concept nahi he
Good discussion
Great podcast 👍🏻
Human has a tendency to identify with some community , a group ,or anything else. Similarly hindu atheist... Nothing wrong there. Its their wish
The great work atheist ⚛️⚛️
42:56, Sorry Vimohji. U are not adequately correct here.
Not only comfort but an assurance that an Atman with these practices can come out of cycle of rebirths and Karma is the biggest motivation for those who have studied these philosophies. And the mythology and other connected concepts of Hinduism reinforce this faith.
Bro talk with Swami Sarvapriyananda, he is a great teacher on Adwaita, he will talk with you and you will also like it.
they have a madeup mind friend they wont most of their arguments are fallacious even denette would be ashemed of him
Yes moditva is hindutva . And it will collapse with Modi . Kuch karne ki zaroorat nahi hai . It is the composition of how india is . There will definitely be pockets of space for bigotry but there might not be another movement like this . Hindutva is a political movement it will collapse . Like many other Hindu practices have collapsed politically . It will take time definitely .
Btw great discussion . You should do more with him .
Unfortunately, it won't die with this particular personality and I'm 100% sure of that
@@nitishsaxena1372 it will linger but will not burn . That is the summary . Maybe you do not remember history . Right always fires when the left is found lacking . But once people see the fire they run against it especially Indians . You should maybe broaden your viewing lens to decades .
@@nitishsaxena1372true. But 2 reasons. There is no alternative to BJP. There will always be in any community, who feel they belong to it. And they will crave for someone who represents it. So BJP will always have a 15-30% base support. ALWAYS...even after 100 years.
2nd- Abrahamic religions are anti-hindu. So as long as they are anti-hindu, reactionary support for Hinduism will always exist.
bhai, aapke video me astrologers ka ad aa rha hai kaafi jyada
wait how is the most natural conclusion necesarily true? i may find the sky blue does that mean sky is blue?
While vimoh is good in most parts.. But he doesn't know much about Advaita Vedanta.. He needs to research more about Advaita.. It's not good to be on a platform as an expert, speaking confidently but wrongly..Harris looks interested in Advaita, more like a sci-fi movie concept to him..
Technically it is an ex Hindu atheist.
This guy might have a point about atheism and BJP lacking of secular politics. But oh man this soft spoken guest has a very ideological position on the left. It's not even left its just anti BJP. Hope you bring in some neutral or centrists person from India who is atheist, or this is going to be a circle jerk.
What's wrong in being anti-BJP?
@@PakistaniMulhidUrdu nothing wrong in being anti BJP, but he should not brush under the carpet the oppositions wrongs. His Twitter timeline looks more like a bjp hit page rather than a critique for any of the party by its ideological and action on the ground approach. He is very silent on non BJP parties, so makes it seem like he is pleasing his base.
@@PakistaniMulhidUrdu Atheist shouldn't have any biasness
@@loidforger6413 every leftist does that
@@Arjun080 being atheist and following any political party is two different thing
okay okay convo
33:41, Maya is the power of Brahman that creates the material world and creates the difference of me and other. So we living in the realm of Maya acknowledge that Vimoh is conversing with Harris.
That's the part of Advaita Theory(Of Shankaracharya). BTW I am no fan of Advaita philosophy. I being a believer am more inclined to Vishishta Advaita/Achintya BhedaBheda. Dvaita(Of Madhva) is the most unacceptable to me. Coz it negates the principle of Panenthieism of Hinduism which I feel is the underlying and defining feature of Hinduism(Refer Purusha Suktam of Rigveda(10.090) and Yajurvedas- both Black and White Yajurvedas..)
40:10, The state where you forget your ego and identity and observe the whole material universe(or universes) is reflection of Supreme consciousness(Brahman). The background is that human is embedded into net of material world and has to undergo rebirths(Its an axiomatic belief of all Indian religions. This can be believed/not. Its a matter of faith) due to his forgetting the relation between him and God(Brahman).
He has desires so he is bounded by Karma. To stop rebirth and come out of realm of Karma(Sins and merits), one has to know & realize this relationship and forego his ego and desires.
Thus, By this knowledge an atman(Living being- an individual) can:-
1) Come out of Material world which is full of joy and sorrows.
2) Come out of never ending cycle of Karma.
3) Come out of infinite cycle of rebirths.
All these beliefs predicated upon the concept of existence of KARMA and REBIRTH..
Ashtavakra Gita doesn't concur with these ideas.
@@nishakuttan4248it do, but just it don't emphasize on moksha , it focuses on realisation of oness of atman and brahma,non duality
Shayad Vimoh advait ko bina phaltu me political banarahahe
One book people( kuran and Das capital)
Talking about library (sanatan)
Don't worry Indian didn't hate you.
Indians are not a monolith
Main danger is tribalism
Gaumutra organic? Nupur Sharma,? Kahaniya lal
He wants lalu prasad yadav but not modi, the makn responsible for making Bihar what it is. Bro this is illogical, and hypocrisy.
Aryan ve Dravidian? Pr bhi kuch bolo
Vimoh is over critical
Whole discussion on Advaita is a straw-man.
Go to read books
Maja nahi aaya dono ghuma ghuma kar bate kar rahe hain maine apna time barbad kar liya pura 🤦🤦
🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕
अभी तुम्है बहुत ज्ञान की जरूरत है बेटे
तुम्हारी बुद्धि कुंद है इस्लाम इफ़ेक्ट के कारण
तुम्हारा झंडु दोस्त proove करना चाहता कि बहुत ज्ञान है
खोखला चना है अभी ये
वाह क्या भाषा है, क्या संस्कार हैं, क्या करारा विश्लेषणात्मक उत्तर दिया है इन दोनों को!
Ye dono bakwas kar raha hain
chup bakchod
@@nadeemahmad5697 aapkee bhasha see aapkee sanskar mata pita parvarish kaa pata chal raha hain inko kisi specialist koo bulana chahiye
Kuki tu andhbhaktt h
@@amandmx aapkee bhasha see aapkee sanskar mata pita parvarish kaa pata chal raha hain inlogo ko incarnations aur advait ke expert ko bulana chahiye thaa
@@rajvardhan7974 chal bhaag yaha se
Harris sir it has been nearly 3-4 months i have been watching you not because you are some guy bashing Pakistan all the time the reason many indians listen to you is because the neutral thoughts you have, the ability to understand islams motives(ex muslim to be precise) and last one which I love "AETHIST" so not only you'll bash islam but Hinduism and also Christianity which is absolutely what India's motives are (fr that's what Indian youth are doing this, it wasn't like we did 300 poojas and won the war did 200 poojas and temple was built on it's own it was work of every community every kingdom every person) what really happened in this podcast was the soo called claimed "aethist" here and claimed that hindutva (no relation with other community) is about bringing back hierarchy? THIS IS FALSE AND MISINFORMATION AND I WANT YOU TO CHECK THE 7 POINT OF HINDUTVA THE FATHER OF HINDUTVA SAVARVAR JI LITERALLY ON THE TIP ON THE TONGUES SAID
7 shackles he wanted to break
• Veda rites which are harmful and separates/kills should be abolished
•untouchable laws in vedas should be abolished
•Doesn't matter your caste together we should eat no caste discrimination
•Intercaste marriage should happen to bring real harmony in religion
•One who left Hinduism can convert back (which was impossible sometime ago but it is okay now)
•if you are born in lower caste you can pick up any LITERALLY any occupation you want does not matter it it's king, warrior, helper anything(no nepotism bullshit/or discrimination that your job is this you can't do that)
•last but not least is prohibition on seafaring should be abolished (only this point is not to my understanding but other points are available in his own books and many other articles which leftist will never talk about )
And Harris sir there is LITERALLY nothing we indians never critised every god we have debated with some may agree and some may not but it's reality some have took advantage of caste and money and some have not I don't say that Hinduism has 100% everything correct and up to date but that's the thing about Hinduism that veds were written by scholars, and many aethist at that time, debaters which completely disagree with each other (though still believed god but debate was still there, not like you can never ask questions) and the leftists which our whole life taught us to stomp your culture and accept xyz religion and let alone our culture they bad mouthed our whole history in the name of Islam, and Christianity it's not like we hate anything we simply don't care like really we don't care but the question again rises does that mean if we became aethist(worst type of secularism) we should just throw our history and be like "yeah bud slap that modern secularism on our face our culture is full of shame" which they say that equality wasn't here or this or that sir WE NEVER DENIED THAT IS WASNT WRONG just some radicals might make up stories and justify but will lose miserably cuz there were many evil people too taking advantage and trust me no matter how many billion years pass by most Hindus will keep saying that what's wrong is wrong what's right is right and I sincerely appreciate your work Harris sir but listening India's history, present, future from a leftist which without knowing says that hindutva model is supremacy and crap like that just cuz it has hindu in its name and it was mainly 'FOR THE HINDUS TO REFORM THEIR RELIGION" nothing else but leftists have to make some type of dumb propoganda and lastly Harris sir that I don't really doubt you on your views according to me you are all the times correct with the facts (par akele hi joke marke haste ho koi ni usme bhi maja atta hai Punjabi logo ki hasi bhi mast hi hoti hai) but people you hear from are the worst representators like this guy i seriously disagree with 90% cuz as a kid I only went to temple 5 or some times and many kids in this area rarely go too(the number of convent and other neutral schools are some many that can't tell you fr kids don't even take much seriously this stuffs and unlike we don't have any hindu madrasa) but the constant hate I was fed made me read my scriptures and it's not absolutely correct but it's managable and very much good and not the worst to provoke violence against someone and those which are violating are condemned seriously hard and it was later this crap I know glad to be hindu and Harris you may call me narrow minded or what's so every but I am what I am and I'll condemn anything that is wrong does not matter if that thing is even written in my scriptures and "I want to you to do podcast with any right wing like alok ranjan and if he says that "yeah we won't talk on Hindus not condemning their wrong practices or some idiot ideology" on the spot I'll seriously stop following those people"
P.s :- if you found something rude i apologise it was not intentional I hope you stay safe and healthy like this and spread awareness about everything and all the things (if some radical Hindus are getting on fire i assure you they dont know you enough nor they know Indian culture nor they know Hinduism)