I agree with other people just imagine all the old bikes with a blown motor that can be resurrected with a $100.00 HF predator motor! I just purchased one of those belt drive CV units for around $50.00 on amazon! For $200.00 and a day of fabrication and welding your out riding! Awsome video
I'm doing this to a 1980 Kawasaki ke100 that will be street legal. These videos make me even more motivated to finish mine up so I can cruise it around town
Best budget mods you can add IMO. Black Mamba Jr. cam from smallenginecams, a gx160 head for higher compression ( I buy cheap ebay knockoffs), timing key, 91 octane for higher compression. I do recommend getting a billet rod, billet flywheel, valve retainers, valves that fit the new retainers, and 26lbs springs. most of that stuff you can get from ARC racing.
I have been out of the small trail bike business for 45years.and since I regretfully sold my 69 Penton. It was one of the early Pentons........I was hankering to get a new toy and bought an old Kaw 100KE but it has a trashed bottem end. I am getting ready to do a similar swap after seeing your first video. I am hopeing that I will not need to cut the frame to get the motor and cvt in. I am also worried about the foot peg issue. The swap actually looks to be a neat swap other than the bulky CVT. Too bad just a simple clutch is not a good option to eliminate much of the bulk. This whole Idea of these preditor swaps hopefully will revive many of the old trail bikes that have been abused and not maintained. Great videos....Keep up the good work.
It's great to see someone actually making a bike work well with these small 4 stroke engines. We've built a number of Karts and mini bikes using clones and have not yet used a Predator engine but they do seem to be a step up. With off the shelf parts, they are an easy engine to modify as are the clones from the vast amount of companies who put their name on them. I think I will get a 212 predator and give it a try in a moped, scooter type bike we bought online that does not seem to have any history or background to find anything about it anywhere. It is an odd shape with unique features. We were told it was made in China in the 1980s or 90s but that's all we know.
Yes this little bike has been a lot of fun! The predator 6.5hp seems to be a good motor, I have one on my home built log splitter and it always starts first or second pull! There’s a lot of hip up parts available for these engines as well, for the $100 on sale I would definitely recommend trying one out 🙂
I built a predator 212cc and use a billet aluminum flywheel. I have seen what stock flywheels do when used with no governor. Besides the billet is less than have the weight too. Don't forget also to install a billet aluminum connecting arm. These are designed to use with a performance builds with no govenor as they are stronger. Just a little food for thought. Great video, you smoked him easy. Too cool! Can't wait to see more.
@@janzitka6328 Installed with the torque convertor. I have since upgraded to the Juggernaut clutch and greenspring upgrade. I was chewing through cheap belts fast if i was running it hard. Got some better belts from go power sports as well as my upgraded parts. Will see how they hold up.
Right on! It’s been a lot of fun riding this bike around! I have a stage 2 kit that I’m going to be installing soon, honestly it’s fast enough as it is but I figured I would mod it a little more. Take care
Right on! Great project. Good beginner bike for those who don't have one. Can't beat an extra person on the trail. :) Those Xr's will always have a special place in my heart. Thumpertalk back in the day was a great hangout and wealth of information.
Thanks for checking out my new video Dan :) I know what you mean about the XRs! I grew up riding these things, my nephews ripe around all the time on there’s, I got the big boy XR650L I have rode that bike many many miles, the longest ride was 2800 miles, loaded with tools and camping gear :)
Mike .. awesome video.. since watching your 1st one ..I've actually purchased a 1979 YZ 125 roller bike..and am getting ready to do the motor install.. I'm impressed with the stock speed.. definitely the clutching will obviously make a difference .. keep up the awesome videos... Top speed 57 and I believe it's an Akai drum processer ..or something to that effect 😊
You are lucky. Usually there are dozen of chassis in my area but for some reason no one is listing lately. Never was a problem till wanting to build one of these.
Right on thanks for commenting! Yes it’s a Akai MPC2000xl it’s a music sampler drum machine. I make all the music for my videos. I have owned a MPC for about 20 years now, solid ;) Take care
Thanks for the Part 2! That bike really moves. I would recommend a rod and flywheel upgrade. I have had some experience with stock parts breaking up at high rpms (mini bike and go kart).
It is nice to here some calm, smooth music while watching you work. Much better than cranking the heavy metal (which has its time and place.) On the governor removal: do you need to plug the hole on the flywheel side and if so, how? Also, what about an aluminum flywheel, I hear that is safer with the extra RPM generated. Thanks, nice video. My guess on new top speed, 55 mph.
The first thing that should be done with a stage 1 kit is the billet flywheel . I had 1 when I was taking it off it literally fall apart. From all the cracks in it. And well, it is right next to your ankle so 100 bucks for a billet flywheel = good idea. Awesome job on the build. Makes me want to put my stage 4 engine on a bike frame. Ride safe and thanks for the video.
That thing is a ripper I race kx 250s and 500s and never thought a lawn mower engine could be that quick even against a dirtbike before and after your mods I just bought a new welder I think I'm gonna buy 2 or 3 predator engines lol- Great videos.
You could put these predictor engines in anything and it will always work every time but you must bring your imagination is up most definitely very important here!..
hey nice work i have a bigger trail bike that i put a 8 horse Briggs on it like yours i runs good i use it for fishing keep up the good work i enjoy this kind of stuff and look to see more from you thanks that was good
Thanks for checking out my videos Dave! I found the replacement belt has lasted a lot longer then the original one that came with the CVT, I’m still running the replacement belt, I do plan to install a lager rear sprocket, this will help the belt last longer because it will fully engage at a slower speed, it’s the slipping on and off throttle at slow speeds that I think takes its toll on them. Take care 🙂
mike on your last video i mentioned trying this project myself ...i had no luck finding anything around here not running at a reasonable price...everything i saw was 500 plus not running most looked decent but the asking prices were higher than i was willing to pay... oh well was neat idea
try looking for a frame in an auto junk yard. they won't sell you one with a title usually, but they might have a roller frame they would sell you for off road. it's worth a shot.
Keep looking. Usually have tons in my area but for some reason there are no listings currently. However, I am going to keep looking and suspect as winter approaches there will be a few listed from people wrecking the engine over summer.
This is such an interesting build. I've got a few rolling chassis this would work on. XR200R, KX80. Can't wait for the next video! Have a good ride on the real bike! Keep up the Predator XR project. Oh yeah, top speed 56. Cheers!
Right on! Thanks for commenting :) those bikes you got sound great for a repower! I’m on my way to the north Cascade mountains for some awesome trails! Take care
The stock flywheels are cast. All cast iron flywheels are known for exploding over a certain rpm because the porous metal starts to lose its shape, flex, and crack. That being said ive only ever seen internet dudes explode them ive never personally had it hapen. I suggest getting the ARC billet flywheel with 32* timing built in. Run it on 93 octane it should like any cam you throw at it. I am in Indiana so our tuning greatly differs. Nice channel by the way, you have a subscriber. By the way if you lap the billet flywheel to the crank your using you can use it for years on any 212cc so not a bad investment.
@@ryan14r95 no I have not! I need to being a Hoosier. Ive been to a couple nascar races and I try to go to the US Nationals of drag racing every year. Top fuel cars are an experience.
Joseph Goble yessir they are.Indy 500 is way cooler though.The history!Even though I’m 13 I still am hooked for life.Plus,they go so much faster than nascar
I have had the flywheel blow appart and about take my head off! If you go bigger cam and higher compression MUST do a billet flywheel! I still have the whole in my shop ceiling from the flywheel. I thought it might have been a defective part and put a new one on but nope slung it apart as well.
Awesome channel Mike... No BS.... just a Family guy having fun with Family and Friends and Teaching others along the way !! Great Stuff ! LIKED/SUBSCRIBED !
Honda GX 160 with an old motorcycle carb installed. When I did that the rpms and response went through the roof. Lots of fun. Also: You can "turbo" charge this engine as well. It requires an automotive high speed squirrel cage blower fan out of any cars firewall. The fan that's responsible for air coming out your vent. Enclose that fan in something like a power wheels plastic tire and pipe the pressure into the carb. Then hold on for one wild ride..... It works...lol
Look into a TIllotson 212 for projects like these, they already have a bunch of performance and high RPM upgrades for not a lot more than a predator 212. theyre the same design engine though, so parts are compatible
New Top Speed 65-70 MPH. I used to get 60MPH on my old 1975 CB125 and that motor was 125CC's smaller and was bone stock. I love they way you got that predator motor hopped up. You should see if you could sell these to Harbor Freight to use as a promotion of their Predator Motors.
Thanks Paul for checking out my video! I’m a big fan of Old Honda CB bikes. I had a CB 200 twin that I modified a lot, I gave it to my nephew, I kept my mod CB 350 four! It’s a great little bike and sounds wonderful at 10,000 RPMs. Take care
@@Mikefestiva how would you do the chain situation, it has a 52 chain, do you know where I can get a 42 chain sprocket for it? Or would you but a sprocket and drill the correct holes in it
I have another bike project coming up soon where I need to make a 520 chain fit the CVT also, I’m probably going to buy a small 12 or 13 tooth 520 front sprocket and cut out the center on my lathe and weld a shaft lock hub onto the sprocket to make it fit? Or you could probably downsize the back sprocket to 420 and re drill the mounting holes to fit the PE 175 hub? Just a few ideas?
I had a predator with 18lb valve springs a mod 2 cam no governor and a port job. I had it on a gokart frame and the stock flywheel came apart at about 5 or 6 thousand rpm. The shroud slowed down the shrapnel and the back of the gokart seat caught the rest. I've turned stock flywheels to 5000rpm and above and never thought it would happen to me but now I put a billet flywheel and billet rod on everything.
Yea i got an old Suzuki ts 125 frame , with title. Wonder if i can fit my 18hp vanny or 11hp diesel. I might have an actual 6.5hp honda at work though.
looks good so far, though like someone said below replace the old flywheel. Like these builds honestly if i had to guess the top speed i think youd see 55mph
I'm thinking if you had a variable gear that changes the ratio it would be a real big top speed but that's just my thinking direction. Great Job again!
I've seen pictures of flywheels exploding. When we were kids we used to bypass the governor with a piece of wire on go carts. Never had a flywheel explode but my friends connecting rod blew. He was going 60 down hill with a 2.5hp Briggs. I would guess the revs were way up there to hit 60.
Man he must have had that little Briggs engine really up in the revs! I have a stage 2 kit that I plan on installing soon, it’s a billet connecting rod, billet flywheel, cam and a Xr 200 carb. 👍
And there are five horse Briggs & Stratton engine and Junior Dragsters at the US Nationals Indianapolis Indiana that turned a hundred miles an hour in the quarter mile but they have a few modifications so they won't reach out and kill you and that has to do with starting with a Billet block start with then a fully counterweight Billet crankshaft custom roller bearing with a forged rod and forged piston valves titanium valve spring titanium pushrods titanium everything else cost of somewhere between 3500 and $5,000 and you got five horse Briggs that makes about 40 horsepower and a hundred miles an hour in a junior dragster but I'll bet for a whole lot cheap and build a all Circle flywheel with a crank like a Harley-Davidson Crank that would fit inside your motor and cut or buy a Billet rod with a more modern motorcycle piston and the tools to do it all for l e s s that of Junior dragster engine
Mike u r so cool . Man my 150 needs to hurry up. Been sitting here watching u with yours . Ups taking sweet sweet time. By the way I also am a musician ,and I really dig your tunes. Ever in Texas come and jam . I'm rated worst drummer in Texas. Love the content. Pretty sharp dude . God bless u.
64mph. Get a double groove belt to teeth on both sides might help a bit , i used to burn them up alot on my 1999 scrambler 400 till I got one of those belts,
This thing about re powering a motorcycle with a predator or a briggs or tecumseh is something I always did for the last 40 years, but the briggs and the tecumseh were very expensive to buy. People always threw away broken equipment with perfectly good engines. A ring job was just a 2 hour thing, for me. Those were the only options my older generation had. This is a way to avoid expensive repairs at a honda, suzuki, kawasaki or yamaha dealer. I have always taken the governor off the engines with no trouble, just don't hold the throttle wide open too long. Torque converters are available and cheap today, not so in my days.
Yes the flywheel WILL EXPLODE if you rev too high. If you don’t want to spend lots on a better flywheel go power sports sells pvl flywheels. Also consider just cutting off every other fin on your stock flywheel for less drag, it worked fine for me. Arc billet rod and mod2 cam will make this thing fly!!
Still have a scar on my leg from when a 212 flywheel blew up on my mini bike it’s been 3 years since then they may have fixed the design flaw but I wouldn’t take any chances it was painful
you should get a billet flywheel for sure. i used to race these engines in box stock classes with my kart. so many stock flywheels were flying apart that it became the only/required mod you had to do in order to pass safety inspection. dont cheap out...its not worth letting that grenade go off next to you or someone else.
im about to replace a 66cc Chinese motor with a 212 predator, are there any problems i might encounter? im gonna order the mounting plate and hub mounted sprocket either 44t or 36t idk
Had a predator on my drift trike . the flywheel does self destruct , I've had it happen the magnet flies out of the flywheel and ripped the coil completely off the engine , the difference between the stock flywheel and the billet is the magnet actually stays in the billet and they spin up faster ,light weight, rated for 10,000 rpm.
Double check the alignment of the converter. Had problems with mine destroying belts for a good while but ever sense we shimmed it perfectly aligned no more problems. And mine is up to about 15 hp now.
I'd reccomend the stage 4 kit from GoPowerSports.com, but if you're short on change get the billet rod. Predator engines have a little scooper on the stock rods that splash oil around, and they have a tendency to break off and go through the block at high RPMs.
For your cam since you have a lathe you can weld your cam or build up the metal and mill it to have much higher lift look it up check it out! I did it on my pred 212 2yrs ago and still running hard!
They're referring to the actual metal flywheel. The metal fatigues, develops micro fractures, and eventually let's loose. And when it does, your engine is toast. I did a 212 on a 1980 rs175, same way you did. But my engine is a stage 2 with billet rod and flywheel. Well worth the money!
I build these 212's and my personal bike has a coil for charging so I can run lights ECT. So I can't use the billet flywheel. No governor and I've had it ripping with the stock flywheel for years. I do remove the magnets and epoxy them on so they don't get loose. That's what kills the flywheels
I just put a predator 212 on a three wheeler and it vibrates the handle bars really bad when it revs up. Does this sound normal or could something be wrong with the engine. Thanks for your time. Your videos have inspired me to try more projects. I have learned a ton from you and even bought that titanium welder.
I installed one of these 212 Predator motors on a BW80 that I lifted, and it vibrated a bit. So I installed some 8mm thick rubber engine mounts between the 212 and engine plate, and it got rid of the majority if the vibrations.
@@ntj030885 I wrote out that entire comment and forgot to say what material haha. They were rubber and thin enough that it didn't allow the engine to move much when torqued down. Anything over 8 or 10mm thick and my engine had too much play. I'm trying to figure out where I bought them from now.
Great video awesome build, now you need the billet rod, flywheel and Mikuni carb and that would really rip! I am looking for a bike, clearing some space in the garage. Screw messing with mini bike
These Harbor freight 212 predators are Pretty impressive I have the same Engine on My Little Baja Minibike I have the stage 1 but I didn't Remove the Governor yet I think it would over rev at about 35mph right now and So I'll wait till I have a CVT for that, it's got alot of Power! I'm wanting to go the size #40 chain and CVT route because this #35 chain and Centrifugal clutch Is stuck in a lower than Preferable gear and stretches the chain everytime I do a launch haha I like these Builds I saw a Guy put one of these 212's in a Old I believe Toyata pickup and would actually drive around But I think the 420cc is probably better for that.
@UnEqual Reality The one on the carb? Most engines that are designed for generators or pumps etc have a Governing screw near the carb so that it doesn't over rev but I didn't see one on this engine And it Gets Up to the rev limit so I think it's the internal rev limiter not a fuel restriction Is there another screw? I'll have to take a look again when I have it out of storage
You'd be better off staying with the 35 chain because there are more sprocket options. If you get a quality 35 chain it could easily handle 212 power. Others have done it. If you really want a bigger chain go with a 420. They work better with the CVT than the 40. The fat 40 chain will increase the possibility of chain strikes to the driven pulley and make alignment less forgiving.
@@Deucealive75 That Makes sense. The size #35 I have uaed stretches pretty bad Though! I think with a CVT the #35 would do better because It will shorten the axis from the Crankshaft output and the Rear sprocket and I think that the chain being streatched out that far end to end And having that Center leverage on it might play a decent part in the chain stretching so much. But I'm not sure, it just seems like it would.
Im really impressed with your results on my only criticism on the video is I wish you would have showed the wiring of the kill switch and tachometer other than that great video thanks and you earned a subscriber
Yeah but he said to comment if it's happened to you. I in fact build these "junk" engines and I've been using the factory flywheel on my own personal one for about 7 years without it "exploding" lol all you have to do is make sure the magnets are re epoxied to the flywheel. The glue they use isn't the best and let's the magnets go that kills the flywheel. So speaking from years of experience their not junk. You just have to know exactly what your doing 😉
@@rayditzenberger9517 not a problem man, that's why I do that I do. I actually just had the chance to work on and upgrade a Tillitson 212 hemi. It's in a little Doodlebug frame with a 30 series comet torque converter and man it's the loudest torque monster I've ever worked on lol.
Dang great content man. Saw part 1 and 2 so far. My guess is 57mph after removing the governer. And man cant wait to see the reat of your videos, love the channel
Excellent video! Looking forward to the next and hopefully many more afterwards. Initially, I was guessing 39-40 based on your previous video and think the stock speed is already pretty decent for cruising around. With stage one, I would guess the new speed will be 57-59 since the governor was removed.
Cant wait for the next video! Also would be cool if you maid like a short 8-10 min video riding the bike,let us see wath it can do. I just bought the frame and a 10hp tecumseh engine. Were making the hand prostatic atm, After that its welding the frame putting on the engine with torqueconverter and then drive it :D. Cant wait untill its finished and seing my friend driving off road with us for the first time.
56mph new top speed. Look into a Tillitson 212. You’re starting to spend money on an engine that’s behind the curve. Better casting, internals AND tolerances that start at 10hp.
Matt Fields Matt Fields What I was thinking was you could put two washers on the CVC transmission mount to sprockets with to keyways and put a chain instead of a belt u got this and 65
Right on! Thanks for commenting and checking out my video! I have used this technique quite a few times on motors, I even used it on a Mazda car I had, to change the valve seals without pulling the head. Take care
I thought I might have mentioned my front and rear sprocket size in this or my first video? I will check out the sprocket sizes and get back to you tomorrow.
You might wanna install a billet rod to handle all the horse power your adding so the factory one won’t snap and ruin your engine, I’ve seen it happen. Love the bike looking forward to the next video
Also replace the rod they have an oil scooper that always brakes off at high rpms when you delete the governor and the you lose oil and lock up your engine anyways good luck love watching your vids
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I agree with other people just imagine all the old bikes with a blown motor that can be resurrected with a $100.00 HF predator motor! I just purchased one of those belt drive CV units for around $50.00 on amazon! For $200.00 and a day of fabrication and welding your out riding! Awsome video
I'm doing this to a 1980 Kawasaki ke100 that will be street legal. These videos make me even more motivated to finish mine up so I can cruise it around town
Best budget mods you can add IMO. Black Mamba Jr. cam from smallenginecams, a gx160 head for higher compression ( I buy cheap ebay knockoffs), timing key, 91 octane for higher compression. I do recommend getting a billet rod, billet flywheel, valve retainers, valves that fit the new retainers, and 26lbs springs. most of that stuff you can get from ARC racing.
Thanks for the suggestion! I ordered a stage 2 kit, in the next video I should have it modified and ripping :) Take care
I raced a xr100 with the xr80 I built,blew that thing away Everytime. I also agree the cvt makes these bikes funner,just gas and go.
I'd say it'll do around 50 and your Fab work was nice and the fact that you showed that u can do it with your comman tools was a nice detail
I have been out of the small trail bike business for 45years.and since I regretfully sold my 69 Penton. It was one of the early Pentons........I was hankering to get a new toy and bought an old Kaw 100KE but it has a trashed bottem end. I am getting ready to do a similar swap after seeing your first video. I am hopeing that I will not need to cut the frame to get the motor and cvt in. I am also worried about the foot peg issue. The swap actually looks to be a neat swap other than the bulky CVT. Too bad just a simple clutch is not a good option to eliminate much of the bulk. This whole Idea of these preditor swaps hopefully will revive many of the old trail bikes that have been abused and not maintained. Great videos....Keep up the good work.
It's great to see someone actually making a bike work well with these small 4 stroke engines. We've built a number of Karts and mini bikes using clones and have not yet used a Predator engine but they do seem to be a step up. With off the shelf parts, they are an easy engine to modify as are the clones from the vast amount of companies who put their name on them. I think I will get a 212 predator and give it a try in a moped, scooter type bike we bought online that does not seem to have any history or background to find anything about it anywhere. It is an odd shape with unique features. We were told it was made in China in the 1980s or 90s but that's all we know.
Yes this little bike has been a lot of fun! The predator 6.5hp seems to be a good motor, I have one on my home built log splitter and it always starts first or second pull! There’s a lot of hip up parts available for these engines as well, for the $100 on sale I would definitely recommend trying one out 🙂
@@Mikefestiva I will, thanks for the reply.
I built a predator 212cc and use a billet aluminum flywheel. I have seen what stock flywheels do when used with no governor. Besides the billet is less than have the weight too. Don't forget also to install a billet aluminum connecting arm. These are designed to use with a performance builds with no govenor as they are stronger. Just a little food for thought. Great video, you smoked him easy. Too cool! Can't wait to see more.
I wonder how a bigger predator engine would do in a bigger bike?
I just finished installing a predator 212cc in my 99 Suzuki Rm125. It's pretty quick, I installed a bigger jet in carb and cold air style intake.
@@mikeh6583 And did you instal on IT the torgue converter As in video or its just predator with carb pls?
@@janzitka6328 Installed with the torque convertor. I have since upgraded to the Juggernaut clutch and greenspring upgrade. I was chewing through cheap belts fast if i was running it hard. Got some better belts from go power sports as well as my upgraded parts. Will see how they hold up.
@@mikeh6583 ok thanks a lot😉
@@mikeh6583 did u have to cut the frame. I have a yz250 frame that im thinking of putting a predator on
Dude I was legit impressed with how much power your getting with that pred and a tav2
nice! watching this again for the heck of it and cant help but hope more folks resurrect some old iron and get out there.
Right on! It’s been a lot of fun riding this bike around! I have a stage 2 kit that I’m going to be installing soon, honestly it’s fast enough as it is but I figured I would mod it a little more. Take care
@@Mikefestiva
Well god I would be happy just the way it is the last time I did something like this similar it throw me off my mini bike LOL
Right on! Great project. Good beginner bike for those who don't have one. Can't beat an extra person on the trail. :)
Those Xr's will always have a special place in my heart. Thumpertalk back in the day was a great hangout and wealth of information.
Thanks for checking out my new video Dan :) I know what you mean about the XRs! I grew up riding these things, my nephews ripe around all the time on there’s, I got the big boy XR650L I have rode that bike many many miles, the longest ride was 2800 miles, loaded with tools and camping gear :)
@@Mikefestiva Sounds like a great adventure!
My guess is it's a Akai drum machine on your t-shirt, probably with a spiffy sequencer in it. Nice video. Thanks
Amazed how good that engine runs and the trans works so well. Great work.
Mike .. awesome video.. since watching your 1st one ..I've actually purchased a 1979 YZ 125 roller bike..and am getting ready to do the motor install.. I'm impressed with the stock speed.. definitely the clutching will obviously make a difference .. keep up the awesome videos... Top speed 57 and I believe it's an Akai drum processer ..or something to that effect 😊
You are lucky. Usually there are dozen of chassis in my area but for some reason no one is listing lately. Never was a problem till wanting to build one of these.
Right on thanks for commenting! Yes it’s a Akai MPC2000xl it’s a music sampler drum machine. I make all the music for my videos. I have owned a MPC for about 20 years now, solid ;) Take care
Thanks for the Part 2! That bike really moves. I would recommend a rod and flywheel upgrade. I have had some experience with stock parts breaking up at high rpms (mini bike and go kart).
It is nice to here some calm, smooth music while watching you work. Much better than cranking the heavy metal (which has its time and place.) On the governor removal: do you need to plug the hole on the flywheel side and if so, how? Also, what about an aluminum flywheel, I hear that is safer with the extra RPM generated. Thanks, nice video. My guess on new top speed, 55 mph.
The first thing that should be done with a stage 1 kit is the billet flywheel . I had 1 when I was taking it off it literally fall apart. From all the cracks in it. And well, it is right next to your ankle so 100 bucks for a billet flywheel = good idea. Awesome job on the build. Makes me want to put my stage 4 engine on a bike frame. Ride safe and thanks for the video.
What an awesome project. So cool to watch.
52 is my guess. I want to build me one like that. That's really awesome! Great job!
*Great Build!!!*
_Cant Wait For Part 3!!!_
That thing is a ripper I race kx 250s and 500s and never thought a lawn mower engine could be that quick even against a dirtbike before and after your mods I just bought a new welder I think I'm gonna buy 2 or 3 predator engines lol- Great videos.
Haha it’s surprisingly quick 😂
Thanks for checking out my video Ken 👍
I got 2 fresh in the box himi and non himi....After seeing this I'm rethinking everything!!!!!! Lol Awsome job bro!!
@@keithcola9104 I'm doing one in my kdx 200 chassis. Should be a trip riding my trails. Lol
@@kenjuicekrajewski9577 That's Awsome!!!!! Good luck with ur project be safe out there
You could put these predictor engines in anything and it will always work every time but you must bring your imagination is up most definitely very important here!..
That has got to be a blast to ride on the trails. The thing rips. I really dig it. Now if I only had an XR100.
XR100’s and the newer CRF100’s are great bikes, hopefully you’ll get one
hey nice work i have a bigger trail bike that i put a 8 horse Briggs on it like yours i runs good i use it for fishing keep up the good work i enjoy this kind of stuff and look to see more from you thanks that was good
Never would have thought this regular 4 stroke can actually develop some power, great conversion Sir
thanks your inspiring me to find a use for my 212
You answered my belt question, they may not last long. Love the machine, you did a great job. God bless you brother.
Thanks for checking out my videos Dave! I found the replacement belt has lasted a lot longer then the original one that came with the CVT, I’m still running the replacement belt, I do plan to install a lager rear sprocket, this will help the belt last longer because it will fully engage at a slower speed, it’s the slipping on and off throttle at slow speeds that I think takes its toll on them. Take care 🙂
mike on your last video i mentioned trying this project myself ...i had no luck finding anything around here not running at a reasonable price...everything i saw was 500 plus not running most looked decent but the asking prices were higher than i was willing to pay... oh well was neat idea
try looking for a frame in an auto junk yard. they won't sell you one with a title usually, but they might have a roller frame they would sell you for off road. it's worth a shot.
Keep looking. Usually have tons in my area but for some reason there are no listings currently. However, I am going to keep looking and suspect as winter approaches there will be a few listed from people wrecking the engine over summer.
I fire sold a non running xr80 for 100 a couple of months ago
This is such an interesting build. I've got a few rolling chassis this would work on. XR200R, KX80. Can't wait for the next video! Have a good ride on the real bike! Keep up the Predator XR project. Oh yeah, top speed 56. Cheers!
Right on! Thanks for commenting :) those bikes you got sound great for a repower! I’m on my way to the north Cascade mountains for some awesome trails! Take care
The stock flywheels are cast. All cast iron flywheels are known for exploding over a certain rpm because the porous metal starts to lose its shape, flex, and crack. That being said ive only ever seen internet dudes explode them ive never personally had it hapen. I suggest getting the ARC billet flywheel with 32* timing built in. Run it on 93 octane it should like any cam you throw at it. I am in Indiana so our tuning greatly differs. Nice channel by the way, you have a subscriber. By the way if you lap the billet flywheel to the crank your using you can use it for years on any 212cc so not a bad investment.
Joseph Goble have you been to Indy 500?
@@ryan14r95 no I have not! I need to being a Hoosier. Ive been to a couple nascar races and I try to go to the US Nationals of drag racing every year. Top fuel cars are an experience.
Joseph Goble yessir they are.Indy 500 is way cooler though.The history!Even though I’m 13 I still am hooked for life.Plus,they go so much faster than nascar
Thanks for dropping links in the description. Doesn’t go unnoticed! New sub just from that and the great content
Thanks Andrew for subscribing 👍 I really appreciate it 🙂
That thing is really cool, great job, sounds great too!
Great project mate, I never would have thought she'd outrun an XR100 stock! I can't wait for the next installment!
I have had the flywheel blow appart and about take my head off! If you go bigger cam and higher compression MUST do a billet flywheel! I still have the whole in my shop ceiling from the flywheel. I thought it might have been a defective part and put a new one on but nope slung it apart as well.
Thanks for the info! I have a full stage 2 kit with billet flywheel, I definitely don’t want that thing coming apart and going into my leg 🦵
I’m guessing about 56 mph? It’s fast enough to have fun and hurt ya. What more could a grown man ask? Great vid tanks mang.
Thanks for checking out my Moto video 👍 I have a few other videos about this bike on my channel. Take care
@@Mikefestiva my pleasure bud you’re either a good motivator or a bad influencer
The jury is still out 😜
Awesome channel Mike... No BS.... just a Family guy having fun with Family and Friends and Teaching others along the way !! Great Stuff ! LIKED/SUBSCRIBED !
Right on thanks! This little bit is quite fun to ride and fairly easy to build. Take care
Honda GX 160 with an old motorcycle carb installed. When I did that the rpms and response went through the roof.
Lots of fun.
Also:
You can "turbo" charge this engine as well. It requires an automotive high speed squirrel cage blower fan out of any cars firewall. The fan that's responsible for air coming out your vent. Enclose that fan in something like a power wheels plastic tire and pipe the pressure into the carb. Then hold on for one wild ride.....
It works...lol
Look into a TIllotson 212 for projects like these, they already have a bunch of performance and high RPM upgrades for not a lot more than a predator 212. theyre the same design engine though, so parts are compatible
New Top Speed 65-70 MPH. I used to get 60MPH on my old 1975 CB125 and that motor was 125CC's smaller and was bone stock. I love they way you got that predator motor hopped up. You should see if you could sell these to Harbor Freight to use as a promotion of their Predator Motors.
Thanks Paul for checking out my video! I’m a big fan of Old Honda CB bikes. I had a CB 200 twin that I modified a lot, I gave it to my nephew, I kept my mod CB 350 four! It’s a great little bike and sounds wonderful at 10,000 RPMs. Take care
Crazy how that little 7hp motor kept up with that hopped up 120cc bike
You inspired me to do the same build, picking up a pe175 just for this tomorrow. Can't wait for the next vid
Right on! I had a old PE 175 years ago, there are cool old enduros :) have fun on your build!
@@Mikefestiva how would you do the chain situation, it has a 52 chain, do you know where I can get a 42 chain sprocket for it? Or would you but a sprocket and drill the correct holes in it
I have another bike project coming up soon where I need to make a 520 chain fit the CVT also, I’m probably going to buy a small 12 or 13 tooth 520 front sprocket and cut out the center on my lathe and weld a shaft lock hub onto the sprocket to make it fit? Or you could probably downsize the back sprocket to 420 and re drill the mounting holes to fit the PE 175 hub? Just a few ideas?
Love this series... I think 52mph
I had a predator with 18lb valve springs a mod 2 cam no governor and a port job. I had it on a gokart frame and the stock flywheel came apart at about 5 or 6 thousand rpm. The shroud slowed down the shrapnel and the back of the gokart seat caught the rest. I've turned stock flywheels to 5000rpm and above and never thought it would happen to me but now I put a billet flywheel and billet rod on everything.
I have a 79 Yamaha mx175 frame that’s rusty and old. She’s getting this treatment
Yea i got an old Suzuki ts 125 frame , with title.
Wonder if i can fit my 18hp vanny or 11hp diesel. I might have an actual 6.5hp honda at work though.
@mike
I built a scooter with the predator motor and a go kart. Changing sprockets alone has changed my speeds and torques.
looks good so far, though like someone said below replace the old flywheel. Like these builds honestly if i had to guess the top speed i think youd see 55mph
Snow Flake you on crack 😂😂
I'm thinking if you had a variable gear that changes the ratio it would be a real big top speed but that's just my thinking direction. Great Job again!
I've seen pictures of flywheels exploding. When we were kids we used to bypass the governor with a piece of wire on go carts. Never had a flywheel explode but my friends connecting rod blew. He was going 60 down hill with a 2.5hp Briggs. I would guess the revs were way up there to hit 60.
Man he must have had that little Briggs engine really up in the revs!
I have a stage 2 kit that I plan on installing soon, it’s a billet connecting rod, billet flywheel, cam and a Xr 200 carb. 👍
And there are five horse Briggs & Stratton engine and Junior Dragsters at the US Nationals Indianapolis Indiana that turned a hundred miles an hour in the quarter mile but they have a few modifications so they won't reach out and kill you and that has to do with starting with a Billet block start with then a fully counterweight Billet crankshaft custom roller bearing with a forged rod and forged piston valves titanium valve spring titanium pushrods titanium everything else cost of somewhere between 3500 and $5,000 and you got five horse Briggs that makes about 40 horsepower and a hundred miles an hour in a junior dragster but I'll bet for a whole lot cheap and build a all Circle flywheel with a crank like a Harley-Davidson Crank that would fit inside your motor and cut or buy a Billet rod with a more modern motorcycle piston and the tools to do it all for l e s s that of Junior dragster engine
Mike u r so cool . Man my 150 needs to hurry up. Been sitting here watching u with yours . Ups taking sweet sweet time. By the way I also am a musician ,and I really dig your tunes. Ever in Texas come and jam . I'm rated worst drummer in Texas. Love the content. Pretty sharp dude . God bless u.
64mph. Get a double groove belt to teeth on both sides might help a bit , i used to burn them up alot on my 1999 scrambler 400 till I got one of those belts,
Another Great video I enjoyed your part one I'll say it again that thing is damn fast I like it I need to build one
So neat to see all the hopup parts for the predator engines.
Yes there’s a lot of stuff available for these little engines! It’s really cool :)
This thing about re powering a motorcycle with a predator or a briggs or tecumseh is something I always did for the last 40 years, but the briggs and the tecumseh were very expensive to buy. People always threw away broken equipment with perfectly good engines. A ring job was just a 2 hour thing, for me. Those were the only options my older generation had. This is a way to avoid expensive repairs at a honda, suzuki, kawasaki or yamaha dealer. I have always taken the governor off the engines with no trouble, just don't hold the throttle wide open too long. Torque converters are available and cheap today, not so in my days.
Yes the flywheel WILL EXPLODE if you rev too high. If you don’t want to spend lots on a better flywheel go power sports sells pvl flywheels. Also consider just cutting off every other fin on your stock flywheel for less drag, it worked fine for me. Arc billet rod and mod2 cam will make this thing fly!!
Thanks for your comment 🙂 I have a stage 2 kit with a billet flywheel I need to install soon, thanks for your suggestion. Take care
Thanks for the part about making the 428 chain fit the front 40 sprocket.
Still have a scar on my leg from when a 212 flywheel blew up on my mini bike it’s been 3 years since then they may have fixed the design flaw but I wouldn’t take any chances it was painful
Thanks for the comment, I will replace the flywheel.
Awesome video, earned a subscriber for this build alone cant wait for part three my notifications are on.
Great! Thanks for subscribing! I hope to have part three up in a week or two :) Take care
you should get a billet flywheel for sure. i used to race these engines in box stock classes with my kart. so many stock flywheels were flying apart that it became the only/required mod you had to do in order to pass safety inspection. dont cheap out...its not worth letting that grenade go off next to you or someone else.
Right on! Thanks for your comment, I ordered the stage 2 kit this morning!
That's awesome, can't wait to see the stage 2 kit!
I love this build!
Got me. Hook line and sinker. Subscribed. Great trail machine man! Now off to craigslist to get some junker for a hundred or 2!!
Right on Rob, thanks for subscribing!
I definitely recommend building one 👍
Dude I have a 212 on a beach cruiser it's insane
It's a stock non hemi with governor removed flywheel is fine
im about to replace a 66cc Chinese motor with a 212 predator, are there any problems i might encounter? im gonna order the mounting plate and hub mounted sprocket either 44t or 36t idk
Like the rope idea to hold to vavles up but I've always just used a compression gauge hose to put air pressure in the cylinder it works great
Im digging the build!!👍👍
Thanks!
It's AMAZING what those 4 stroke 12 cylinder engines can do!!! 😆 I'm actually shocked that it beat the xr-cr bike... Impressive!!
Haha! Yes it’s starting to rip! Thanks for checking out my video :)
Had a predator on my drift trike . the flywheel does self destruct , I've had it happen the magnet flies out of the flywheel and ripped the coil completely off the engine , the difference between the stock flywheel and the billet is the magnet actually stays in the billet and they spin up faster ,light weight, rated for 10,000 rpm.
Jeremy, did you remove or bypass the governor on the drift trike that blew the flywheel?
@@RockieRoadz no it was stock
Jeremy Banks Yikes that's scary, so even hitting governed RPMs (3800?) your flywheel destructed? 🤪
Double check the alignment of the converter. Had problems with mine destroying belts for a good while but ever sense we shimmed it perfectly aligned no more problems. And mine is up to about 15 hp now.
I'd reccomend the stage 4 kit from GoPowerSports.com, but if you're short on change get the billet rod. Predator engines have a little scooper on the stock rods that splash oil around, and they have a tendency to break off and go through the block at high RPMs.
For your cam since you have a lathe you can weld your cam or build up the metal and mill it to have much higher lift look it up check it out! I did it on my pred 212 2yrs ago and still running hard!
Awesome build!
Thank you 👍
My favorite bike of all time xr 100 climb anything go everywhere luv em great vid mate keep em coming cheers
Is that blue tape holding the phone onto the handle bars?
Haha! Yes the finest of masking tape ;)
This was an incredibly well made video. Entertaining and super informative.
Thanks! I really appreciate hearing this, it’s definitely encouraging :)
They're referring to the actual metal flywheel. The metal fatigues, develops micro fractures, and eventually let's loose. And when it does, your engine is toast.
I did a 212 on a 1980 rs175, same way you did. But my engine is a stage 2 with billet rod and flywheel. Well worth the money!
Thanks for commenting I appreciate your comment, I have ordered a stage two kit and I will be installing it in the next video. Take care
Sweet can't wait to see it!
I build these 212's and my personal bike has a coil for charging so I can run lights ECT. So I can't use the billet flywheel. No governor and I've had it ripping with the stock flywheel for years. I do remove the magnets and epoxy them on so they don't get loose. That's what kills the flywheels
It’s an Akai Drum machine, kind of like the Launchpads I own 😉
I did this with my son with some inspiration from your videos to a old ke100 that was left for dead
I have a ke100 sitting in my shed. I plan to do this too. I have a predator, just waiting on my cvt to cone
I just put a predator 212 on a three wheeler and it vibrates the handle bars really bad when it revs up. Does this sound normal or could something be wrong with the engine. Thanks for your time. Your videos have inspired me to try more projects. I have learned a ton from you and even bought that titanium welder.
check if the fuel tank is loose, that happened on mine and once it went past 1k rpm it would shake so bad, I couldn't even sit on it.
I installed one of these 212 Predator motors on a BW80 that I lifted, and it vibrated a bit. So I installed some 8mm thick rubber engine mounts between the 212 and engine plate, and it got rid of the majority if the vibrations.
@@Just-InTimeRepairs what are the engine mounts made of? I tried some rubber washers but they where to soft I think.
@@ntj030885 I wrote out that entire comment and forgot to say what material haha. They were rubber and thin enough that it didn't allow the engine to move much when torqued down. Anything over 8 or 10mm thick and my engine had too much play. I'm trying to figure out where I bought them from now.
@@ntj030885 Anti-Vibration Rubber Grommet Kit - Part number 423235 www.ombwarehouse.com/rubber-grommet-kit.html
Great video awesome build, now you need the billet rod, flywheel and Mikuni carb and that would really rip! I am looking for a bike, clearing some space in the garage. Screw messing with mini bike
These Harbor freight 212 predators are Pretty impressive I have the same Engine on My Little Baja Minibike I have the stage 1 but I didn't Remove the Governor yet I think it would over rev at about 35mph right now and So I'll wait till I have a CVT for that, it's got alot of Power! I'm wanting to go the size #40 chain and CVT route because this #35 chain and Centrifugal clutch Is stuck in a lower than Preferable gear and stretches the chain everytime I do a launch haha I like these Builds I saw a Guy put one of these 212's in a Old I believe Toyata pickup and would actually drive around But I think the 420cc is probably better for that.
@UnEqual Reality The one on the carb? Most engines that are designed for generators or pumps etc have a Governing screw near the carb so that it doesn't over rev but I didn't see one on this engine And it Gets Up to the rev limit so I think it's the internal rev limiter not a fuel restriction Is there another screw? I'll have to take a look again when I have it out of storage
I saw the video. It's a 1980s dodge d50
You'd be better off staying with the 35 chain because there are more sprocket options. If you get a quality 35 chain it could easily handle 212 power. Others have done it. If you really want a bigger chain go with a 420. They work better with the CVT than the 40. The fat 40 chain will increase the possibility of chain strikes to the driven pulley and make alignment less forgiving.
@@Deucealive75 That Makes sense. The size #35 I have uaed stretches pretty bad Though! I think with a CVT the #35 would do better because It will shorten the axis from the Crankshaft output and the Rear sprocket and I think that the chain being streatched out that far end to end And having that Center leverage on it might play a decent part in the chain stretching so much. But I'm not sure, it just seems like it would.
@@thatguy9890 Agree on the shorter chain.
Im really impressed with your results on my only criticism on the video is I wish you would have showed the wiring of the kill switch and tachometer other than that great video thanks and you earned a subscriber
Those tiny tachs hook in pretty easy.
You wrap the wire from the tach around the plug wire and thats it.
55 mph hope u get the vid up thanks
Just bought the torque converter with the link to help support the channel!
If the Predator engine has a factory cast flywheel then it can fly apart self-destructing at high RPM.
Have you had it happen to you?
Daniel Morris predators are junk engines made cheap, that’s why so many people have them. I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened to someone.
Yeah but he said to comment if it's happened to you. I in fact build these "junk" engines and I've been using the factory flywheel on my own personal one for about 7 years without it "exploding" lol all you have to do is make sure the magnets are re epoxied to the flywheel. The glue they use isn't the best and let's the magnets go that kills the flywheel. So speaking from years of experience their not junk. You just have to know exactly what your doing 😉
Thanks for that info. I am just starting a swap into an old KE100 and willl probably do some simple mods ..... JB weld shold do the job nicely
@@rayditzenberger9517 not a problem man, that's why I do that I do. I actually just had the chance to work on and upgrade a Tillitson 212 hemi. It's in a little Doodlebug frame with a 30 series comet torque converter and man it's the loudest torque monster I've ever worked on lol.
Dang great content man. Saw part 1 and 2 so far. My guess is 57mph after removing the governer. And man cant wait to see the reat of your videos, love the channel
Thanks for checking out my bike videos! It’s a fun little machine 👍
Man that's wild, just so ya know, I'm putting a 420 on my kx125. Let's race. 😁😈
Excellent video! Looking forward to the next and hopefully many more afterwards. Initially, I was guessing 39-40 based on your previous video and think the stock speed is already pretty decent for cruising around. With stage one, I would guess the new speed will be 57-59 since the governor was removed.
Shirt is either a 4 track recorder or a drum machine
Akai sampling drum machine :)
Cant wait for the next video!
Also would be cool if you maid like a short 8-10 min video riding the bike,let us see wath it can do.
I just bought the frame and a 10hp tecumseh engine.
Were making the hand prostatic atm,
After that its welding the frame putting on the engine with torqueconverter and then drive it :D.
Cant wait untill its finished and seing my friend driving off road with us for the first time.
56mph new top speed. Look into a Tillitson 212. You’re starting to spend money on an engine that’s behind the curve. Better casting, internals AND tolerances that start at 10hp.
Matt Fields Matt Fields What I was thinking was you could put two washers on the CVC transmission mount to sprockets with to keyways and put a chain instead of a belt u got this and 65
Tillitsons are way to expensive.
The tillitson 220 puts out 17 horse and is already a stage 4.
@@jeremybanks7119 how much one of them run for?
am very impress mein,love what u guys did to the bike
Thanks I appreciate it!
Mpc shirt for the win
Yes! I have owned a MPC2000xl for about 20 years now, there solid samplers!
that's the first time I've ever saw that rope technique. Somethin I'll definitely put to use in the future.
Right on! Thanks for commenting and checking out my video! I have used this technique quite a few times on motors, I even used it on a Mazda car I had, to change the valve seals without pulling the head. Take care
Without the governor the most damage I did was blow the rings out. Beat it to hell fix and repeat!
Awesome swap. Looks like a fun little bike
Hey Mike im building the same project ,what size rear sprocket do you run on that?
I thought I might have mentioned my front and rear sprocket size in this or my first video? I will check out the sprocket sizes and get back to you tomorrow.
@@Mikefestiva yes I saw the other video now. Thanks. Nice work
You might wanna install a billet rod to handle all the horse power your adding so the factory one won’t snap and ruin your engine, I’ve seen it happen. Love the bike looking forward to the next video
Thanks for the suggestion! I appreciate it
My son-in-law did the same swap on an old Honda 70 3 wheeler. One scary fast little machine.... He put a turbo charger on it too.
I bet that little 3 wheelers rips!
Also replace the rod they have an oil scooper that always brakes off at high rpms when you delete the governor and the you lose oil and lock up your engine anyways good luck love watching your vids