Ryan Coogler Drops Bombshell: What Wakanda Forever Was Supposed To Be.
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2022
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Man, hearing Coogler's original plan to what it ended up being, it breaks my heart. We REALLY NEED more positive Father/Son stories.
Well learn how to be a man, be a good father so that you don’t need father and son stories to feel good about yourself.
Yeah, the Whites ain't having that.
Indeed
I'm really glad this revelation came to light. I remain a big fan of Ryan Coogler. I hope on his next project he gets to tell a story that he wants to tell.
What revelation exactly? That before Boseman died there was another script? You think that was a revelation???
@StryfesLyfe and they should've
@@jay4you853are you sure. Not trying to start an argument but I’ve been seeing this on a couple of video’s saying the same thing. Again not trying to start anything
That negro is a sellout ..tired of negroes selling out..they don't stand up to nothing..always selling out
@@jay4you853 ..amen brother
I've always said they should have recasted T'Challa. The character is a symbol, you don't kill the ideology because the totem breaks. The actor is the totem.
RIP, Chadwick Boseman! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Me too. I also feel like Chadwick’s legacy as T’Challa would’ve been maintained if the character lived on. Obviously Chadwick has a great legacy despite it. I just feel like there was more for that character to do in the MCU and as you stated the character is a symbol and I’m sad that they moved on from that symbol. I have not seen the sequel yet but tbh I never saw T’Challas sister as a main character type.
Couldn’t agree with this more. It will be something that team regrets in the future. With the multiverse option, there are too many respectful and very tasteful ways to recast a character.
You do if it you hate blacks
Bro, a totem is literally a symbol. The character is the totem, because the character, according to you, is a symbol. And you just said that you don't kill the ideology because the totem breaks... But here you are butthurt that they continued the ideology when the totem broke.
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth, because you don't even understand the meaning of the words you're using. By your own argument there's no need to recast, because all you need is a new symbol, and we'll be getting one going forward. Probably M'Baku in the short term, and T'Challa Jr. eventually.
@@JCPRuckus M'Baku, like all the other major male characters of Wakanda and the greater MCU in general, has been nerfed. It was symbolic that he not only didn't challenge her for the throne personally but to have Namor crack his shield with that hard hit and completely neutralize him yet he stabs Shuri through the abdomen and she continues to fight and nearly wins. I don't know why you're all assuming that child is going to be used later down the line to become the king as Nakia isn't even raising him in Wakanda. You said the character (I'm assuming you meant title itself) is the totem.They're saying the story of T'Challa himself and obviously the one which Ryan wanted to tell originally was greater than just one man and they should not have abandoned that plotline as even Chadwick would probably have felt there was a greater purpose with that story. It tied in much more with the original as T'Challa had now become (through no fault of his own) an absent father and was re-establishing that connection with his young child as well as his people.
T'challa & Storm should've been BLACK PANTHER 2! ✊🏾+⚡= ❤
YES!
@@gun_toting_lefty Yup. They didn't want us to see a BLACK MAN who was a king that didn't have to answer anybody, a king & rule of the most powerful technological and advanced country in the world while possessing supernatural strength of the black panther power heart shaped herb, A mask in it, bold, righteous, strong, and heterosexual king who was a major influence to a lot of people... be married to a gifted African black woman like storm who has the ability to control the elements.
T'challa & Storm it's probably the most dynamic and powerful couple and all of MCU universe, andd the fact that they're both black & African makes it hard for a lot of deal with. "They" want this dynamic to be with 2 white characters, not black.
So, "They" had to make up a story to emasculate the black man so T'chala & Storm wouldn't happen.
Business politics contracts prevented that (Fox contracts which extend to producer contracts not just actors)
@@budgiecat9039 That’s so ridiculous. That’s would’ve been so dynamic to see T’challa & Storm’s, history background, love story, and them kickin a** on film.
It would've been cool but because of her and all the other X-Men characters still owned by Fox it wouldn't happen. They're definitely a power couple. No pun intended.
That’s why they hyped Boseman’s death so much to keep him from being recast. Imagine what WF would have been with a better story that showed positive black men
@@jay4you853 imagine you being ignorant enough to try and insult someone who doesn’t care 🤷🏾♂️
@@jay4you853 troll
@@jay4you853 They did “hype” his death. The media spun it in a way that made the late Chadwick Bozeman and T’Challa one and the same. They created the narrative that “T’Challa” could not be recast out of respect for Chadwick yet his own family members came out and said that he should have been recasted. Chadwick himself commonly remarked that King T’Challa is bigger than him, that he wanted this character to live on for a long time. What other major character have we seen be “retired” with its actors death? It doesn’t make any sense.
There was no reason to recast. There is a good chance there was enough footage from the first movie to had built a good to decent 1/4th of a movie, then wrote a good 3/4th to support his death and a successor. But that is not what Disney wanted.
He was recast… watch the movie smfh
It doesnt mean he wanted to recast T'Challa. But we can objectively look at the two different plots and know that recasting T'Challa was the much better idea.
Aldis Hodge is a very good actor and actually has shown interest in the past about playing Black Panther. He would have been a good replacement and I think he would have made Marvel fans and Boseman's family proud.
Aldis Hodge is a coo--oon. His personality is not that of a strong minded Black man but of a Buck broken slave. Everything he's ever played in tells us that. The spirit of the actor actually does matter in performance, if you don't understand that it's okay, because directors understand. The spirit dictates the range of a character. Aldis Hodge has been chasing white women in every movie he's been in, that slave energy won't translate.
Aldis Hodge woulda been GREAT!!! He has kinda the same body type as Boseman and I really believe he could have brought an equal presence as Boseman did especially to tell the original sequel story
I noticed he bit some of T'challa's style as hawkman in Black adam.
I was thinking same thing the whole time watching black Adam.......
exactly...i have been saying that from the beginning....bruh had to go to DC and play Hawkman....damn!
I’m so mad we didn’t get this original movie. We have to write and produce our own projects period the end.
The original movie sound like a HollywoodAfrica movie 😂😂
Writers, Producers, nor executive producers don’t control the narrative either… production companies do.
@@jazzmonk5670 On set the Executive Producer is top dog only having to answer to the CEO
Just like all the agenda ridden stuff in Marvel, Victoria Alonso brought agenda's into it, she's 🌈Cult and a feminist
She had the power to cast, rewrite scripts etc...
Toss me 100 million real quick
And then distribute the movie ourselves to every movie theater in America, and foreign markets.
Civil War BP was the best version. I still remember his reveal in the trailer when drops down and says "CAP TEN" in the the coldest voice possible. It was iconic. Then they Marvelized him and by Marvelized I mean Thor Ragnarok
You mean LOVE & THUNDER
@@3oxisprimus848 Love and Thunder Thor and Ragnorak Thor are the same type of Thor.
I agree. Good take
Even Civil War Black Panther suit was better I dont like the other designs
@@budgiecat9039 facts I loved that suit. The chase scene in Civil War between BP, Cap and Winter Soldier was probably one of the greatest character introductions in Marvel
I thought I was the only black personnthat thought this movie sucked ahh!!! The emasculation of the men and the agenda pushing narrative, including a litany of other things in this movie. Everything I felt after watching this film, you have articulated perfectly in an artful commentary. Thank you for this my friend you have gained my subscription.
You know, a good story is a good story regardless of the cast's skin colour. If skin colour is your only selling point, then you've failed.
Emasculation of men... because they weren't the main characters? Pushing of what agenda, exactly?
Yea they knew what they were doing
Fr, I hate the movie. It was straight 🗑
@@treal9988yall sound so dumb
Other directors have walked away from Marvel films because creative differences.
He could have done the same, but he chose not to.
He chose to be a part of it and cant be divorced from the responsibility of what was made.
Wow! This just guarantees that I will NEVER spend money to go see any Marvel film under Kevin Feige ever again! Damn!
I've been on that wagon when they kept messing up Hulk since Ultron movie.
@@bonifidehustla that was straight up criminal! He deserves better.
I don't even believe Feige had any control of phase 4. It all stank of corporate suit decision making.
@@joshjones9749yea bob chapek definitely had a lot to do with it
Feige is a minion himself - it's at the corporate level.
As a single dad who's raising three daughters and a son, this would've been a great representation for us. I always internally sigh when we single father types are usually depicted as failures/absent/distant in a lot of media. It's like positive father figure types are either non-existent or looked at with disdain with all this convoluted intersectional agenda.
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That's cause in modern western societies, it seems like people just hate dads or father figures and just men in general, especially black men, I've seen many negative stereotypes and anguish against men, just cause of the manifestation of "Myth of Discrimination against males" type narrative, that isn't really being addressed and taken seriously. Why you think because of TChalla's absence and his death is pervertedly Celebrated for it? Also, why is phase 4 exclusively nicknamed the "M-She-U " when the previous phases had issues with female characters anyways, let's not forget that Captain marvel felt like it was a "Shoe-in" to Endgame and was made to be stronger than both Thor and hulk, after her first movie, while they were nerfed in Endgame. Also, let's not even add the pseudo Discrimination against other men in different ethnicities with Latinos/Hispanics and Asian men, both being under represented or suppressed in mcu, or not being in leagues with our black and white male lead characters. In either form, dads of any race just can't simply be heroes or leaders and always seen as a villian in some sense
@Eric Francisco Maybe, you should stop looking at the media to represent you ans focus more.on your kids and being the beat father you can be for them. Not focusing on wether the media is gonna show you in a good light. Cmon man.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO SHINE LIGHT ON THAT SEGMENT OF SINGLE PARENTS
I remember when movies were just great movies...and no one was looking for philosophical value due to their lack of own depth. All you m/fs do is complain. Bro, nobody gives af that you're a single father. Make your own feature films instead of cry about ones who don't touch your inner weaknesses
This movie would’ve represented bla bla. Get off the woke shit… Literally plenty films depicting positive single fathers ffs.
You’re just focused on the negative.
As a father, I would have liked to see that movie.
Ryan, was starting to feel that heat 🔥 from that dumpster fire of a movie. People were pointing fingers at him. He had to make a statement.
Exactly
No stupid. Ugh oh god. Hollyweird has been making agenda driven film after agenda driven film, against directors wishes for the last 20-30 years and you still going to sit here and pretend like a idiot that Ryan actually made these choices with his own free will.
What is wrong with you people?
Seriously why is it so hard for you to understand that the white man is your enemy?
The movie made $800M on a $200M production budget and that is without a China release and with the cinema still coming out of covid funk.
@@silvestrocrino3256 Bro, the issue isn't the amount it generates. THE QUALITY OF THE MESSAGE IS F**KED. It might end up making over a billion...good for Marvel. Years later, what does this do the Coogler's Legacy? His Integrity? Better to keep your head up high than be the knife used to stab your kin in the guts.
🧢 this movie was good hating like a mf
I had a bad feeling when they wasn't going to re-cast T'Challa. And when I saw the trailer I knew I wasn't going to see it.
Haven’t seen it and not going to see it
@@phillipmacintosh4094 I saw it. It’s meh.
@Mic Morgan worst than meh
@@kratosmcoc8419 stop stretching it the movie was as good as it could possibly be without the main star , it was honestly better then I expected it to be
I didn't "have a bad feeling". I knew it was going to be a mess from the moment they decided not to re-cast T'Challa.
They would not have tried this with any character they respected.
Chadwick Boseman played a comic book character named T'Challa in the movie Black Panther. He took on a very INFLUENTIAL role. When little black boys saw Chadwick's face, they saw a superhero, a role model, a saviour. Because Boseman played T'Challa, no matter what other roles he played, he would be looked at as the Black Panther, which in a way symbolizes a "black Messiah". And what happens to prevent the rise of "black Messiahs"? It seems like Ryan Coogler had an powerful idea for the sequel. How convenient for the "powers that be" that Boseman wasn't around to make that sequel a reality.🤔 Just imagine how inspiring Coogler's original sequel would have been to black men.
I hear ya, but we don't need to reach for fictional superheroes to be our "Black Messiah". I would have liked to see Ryan Coogler's original vision for the sequel. It would have been significant to help stop this engineered gender war in the Black community. There is an agenda trying to pull us apart and cast aside Black men and some of our women are falling for this tactic.
Supposing that people look at him as you do "Black Messiah", What's wrong with a Black Woman Messiah?! At the end of the day is a movie and in a movie everything is possible
@@equianodevonte2301dude im black but all this "Black Messiah" talk is really effing cringy bro.
I don't even count Spiderman as a Marvel movie. It is a Sony movie
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@John Drew was Sony the primary with Disney giving input? More like a partnership with Sony having more control. That is why I said it is more of a Sony movie
Morbius is a Sony movie. Sony movies have pace issues after The 2nd McGuire Movies. By the way wakanda forever wasn’t wack it just wasn’t that dope.
Damn. I would have loved to have seen this film. What a tragedy. Seeing T’Challa be a fantastic father would have broken records. What a huge loss.
Exactly how I felt... They were jumping on that feminist wagon ..smh.. of course we don't get many movies about a black father being there for their sons, UNLESS the father is speaking from behind a glass, they're separated, or the father dies and traumatizes the son.. .. we never get what WE actually NEED..
OMG how better that would have been. With T'callah going to the Ansecetorial Plain, then coming back to life. would have made for an emotional Loving Movie, about Father and Son's
You should watch some of those interviews he had talking about Wakanda II; you can tell the energy wasn't there. After seeing it myself, I knew this wasn't something he wanted to do. He just didn't have the creative control to do so. You definitely can't blame him for this dumpster fire.
Coogler should form an independent Black film company with Jordan Peele, Nate Parker and a few other talented unknowns. Get a major distro and tell their own stories, called UNAPOLOGETIC.
I would have loved this version of the movie. This is what happens when we do not own our studios, distribution, theaters, etc
And don't own the story either, don't forget that.
If I can accept 6 different James Bonds, 5 different Batmen, 4 different Jokers, 3 Spiderman, 2 Hulks and partridge in a pear tree, I can have another T'chala.
I agree but it's been 3 Hulks, 4 if you count the one from the 70's
I'm glad he spoke up because I was confused with this second movie.
Good for him for doing that, because that helped clear up a lot of things for me.
All you need to understand is that the white man is your enemy. That makes everything else very clear. Why would a Black man, a heterosexual Black man, be interested in making a feminist movie unless he was made to do it?
Come on we have to be thinkers. We can't be gullible anymore. That must be dead to us now. The white man controls every movie and tv show we see so he can control the narrative.
I would say they did a great job. it was a grief movie. It would ha been great a recast but he really did the best he could with what he had
Hahaha! "I was confused" that's is the first step in the pool of homosexuality... just like the ending scenes of this movie.
I signed the petition-LOL!! Excellent commentary!
That was a TREMENDOUS assessment of the MCU failures in Phase Four and I'm so glad you revealed Cooglers displeasure or no responsibility for the new direction.
Disney hates anything with strong men. They jumped on making Shuri the Panther.
dont forget they CGI'd out Namor's crotch 🤣
The entire script for part 2 was already written before Chadwick died. Then they were just going to scrap the movie afterwards but decided to go ahead and do it
Wakanda Forever was never going to perform as well as the first. The original BP was boosted by 2 factors - Excitement for Avengers and Excitement from Black People. I think a lot of the excitement has waned.
The standard of what we should be, to celebrating the failures that we are. Man .... that was powerful
I was very surprised that Hollyweird even allowed the _Creed_ movies to be released in today's climate. Those were pretty awesome, with a lot of focus on the importance of the father figure.
I guess he was against it..
Then that bank incident happened 😈😈😈
Shit…
The Mr. Rogers frames with him giving the bird got me shook!😳
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The Batman was the best comic book movie to come out in 2022.
SPIDERMAN: no way home.
Only was great because of Nostalgia Bait. Everyone wanted see Garfield and Mcguire in the suit again. When the rumors dropped, they were in it. The gates flooded!!!!!!
I said this when Spider-Man came out that the movie was actually pretty bad all the way up until Garfield steps through the portal. From that point on it became a cinematic masterpiece.
The minute I heard they wouldn’t recast T’Challa I knew ( 3 Batman-s..3 Spiders-men ) that Coogler would be told what to produce.
8:43. Yup tried to warn y’all, been reading comics for years and this is the shit they do, add social, identity politics and I knew they’d rigid the movie. Like micheal Jackson said the entertainment industry is rigid.
The entertainment industry is a part of the political system
The movie sounds so heartwarming! I'll never understand why he didn't create Focus Groups before production began and ask BP Fans: Would you rather have BP2 begin with T'Challa's death? Or would you rather have T'Challa recast?
I think the answer would be the latter. We lost a great hero but it had especially hit hard for Black people all over the world who lost a Strong male hero role model in Black Panther.
Why didn’t they focus on these ideas? One answer: Disney
@Manny ROBINSON It's NOT about what would've been better to Hollywood. It's about the Agendas that they want to push! it's in all the films now. So obvious
First time being on your channel, this was a great take and great video.
Thank You!
That was the story we needed!!
Hopefully it can still be told 🙏🏽
Black Pantherette 2: "Where are the Men at Forever" is a disappointment for Marvel/Disney. The original Black Panther (BP1) outperformed BP Forever. BP1 grossed $1.34B world-wide and BP2 Forever is at around $801M. Also $1.34B in 2018 is about $1.8B today, and BP Forever isn't even close.
No private, profit-making company is in business to break-even. BP Forever is a financial disappointment. "BP2 Forever" needed around $800M to break-even before they can make a profit. It's box office is around $801M now. With the release of Avatar, BP2 should be flat lining now.
If you go Woke, you go Broke.
According to Valiant Renegade, Disney spent over 200 million on WF's marketing. They said it need ONE BILLION just to break even. Disney bet hard on this film and now they stand to lose over 100 million.
Then you have to factor in how much money Disney put into the merchandise that isn't selling. Someone said the toys/clothing aren't selling at all. They screwed up big time.
@@dustinmaxwell259 I saw a bunch of Wakanda Forever toys at Target not selling. Same thing happened with the Shang Chi toys. No one wants them. They had a nice Shuri doll though ngl it was well crafted but no one want.
I'm a big comic book nerd. I don't want to get too nerdy, but T'Challa is incredibly important to Namor, Reed Richards, Secret Wars and Victor Von Doom. The fact that these characters are going to be onscreen never having even interacted with T'Challa is upsetting to me
This unrealized plot sounds.... much... much.... MUCH better than what we got.
He was creating a black version of lone wolf and cub. A certified classic father/son kung fu flick.
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The same problem disney has with these live action remakes the gaping hole left by former Pixar head John Lasseter's exit is reflecting across so much of what Disney owns and bastardizing superhero fiction. Its a shell of its former storytelling.
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This take is overlooking the fact that it was about what the film was to be before Boseman died. It is not a bombshell. It does not say Coogler wanted to recast. The film structurally is the same but moves to the mother and sister. This is still his film and he did a good job given the tragic circumstances
Exactly.... OP is simply making stuff up that is not in the Coogler clip and acting like its some huge revelation. How is it a revelation that there was a different story before Boseman died? Where in the clip does it say he wanted to recast after Boseman's death or that anyone forced him to make the story he did?
Main characters in movies and tv, get recast all the time. This has been the norm for decades. This should never had been a big issue. But if you have a woke agenda, there's no small task that can't become a big problem.
there should have been a 1st black panther movie. this would have given time to recast and kept the character going. disney killed luke so...they don't care.
He never wanted to recast T’Challa. He still standing on that. Marvel is the one softening their stance about recasting now.
Dude...just stumbled upon your channel and man what a breath of fresh air. If I ever really jump into producing I want to do a show with you destro reborn and replican fish. You being main host and the other 2 doing comedy spots
Thank you for sharing this. I had no interest to watch this but my wife and daughters saw this and they didn’t like it. Ryan’s vision sounded far more compelling and something I feel Hollywood frowns upon, family, fathers and strong positive male role models.
This is why we need our own movies companies! Like all the great Black Leaders before said DO FOR SELF! PRAISE YAHWEH!!!!!!!
first time here. subscribed. keep up the good work.
"A far cry from this feminist drivel the put in the theaters" cracked me up
Real talk💯🎯
I do hope you're wrong over Ryan Coogler being done with the MCU, cause in all honesty, there's a few things he can do with the third BP film especially with the last 15 minutes of the second movie.
SPOILERS:
I would definitely love to see M'Baku be used as a good father figure for teenage T'Challa, who not only is learning the history of Wakanda and her people but also the responsibility of being the future protector of Wakanda. Heck, by going the young T'Challa route, you can easily introduce young Storm as well.
Great video man, well written with valid points
It is sad to hear Ryan couldn't do his film properly. Still hurts that Chadwick died. I think perhaps M'Baku should have become Black Panther and maybe adopted Tusant. I don't know.
I never understand why anyone would say M’Baku should become Black Panther.. he doesn’t worship Bast
@@TheDistantWave they’d just like to see someone take the mantle who is already established as a formidable character.
@@I_Cypher it should make sense though in the context of the lore. I don’t even think the whole son thing makes sense given his mom is from the river tribe and his dad isn’t really going to be able to teach him anything given the direction they went
Great video!! I'm so glad you did this video. I didn't go see it cause I knew it would be Woman king all over again. And I heard that Boseman was upset about being replaced by his sister about 2 years ago so this was planner years ago. Marvel really died after Endgame.
I thought the same thing at first until i saw BP 2 first and then Women King.
Women King was actually a great movie. Even the men held their own in the film and not shown as being inferior like BP2 did.
I read an article a couple of years ago that he was upset about being replaced. I can't seem to find it anymore. After he passed I thought to myself maybe Disney knew about it.
@@ErickWright I swear I did as well but for the life of me I can't find it. And this was IMMEDIATELY after the first BP and when I read it I was passed as well. Seems like the plan was to have an all female avengers which quite frankly I don't want to see it.
@@dariusthegreat3097 I know for a fact I read an article about it. I thought it was strange because the movie did so well. If you find it make sure you come back and post here I'll do the same.
"Married to a Haitian dude." I don't know why that hit different 😂😂😂
That is HUGE!! Shout out to you for giving us the scoop.
You're welcome
Disappointed they didn't recast T'challa i'm still waiting to see storm
I saw the movie…and enjoyed it…can’t wait to see it again
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Great analysis. You've articulated a lot of my feelings towards the MCU or rather the M-SHE-U
You're welcome and thank you
That sounds like it would be a great movie
Straight up, Marvel did to Chadwick what WWE did to Eddie Guerrero: exploited his legacy and memories.
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Losing Chadwick hurt and absolutely nothing could have come close to what could have been. People seem to have forgotten that a majority were against recasting The Black Panther. RIP Chadwick ✊🏾
I was just imagining how much of a banger the original script of the BP2 would have been. I love that juxtaposition Ryan wanted to do. Such a shame Disney beat him nice back in the woke line.
Shit doesn't have anything to do with being weak.
He should do what Zack Snyder did with The Justice League Movie, and release his own revised cut of Black Panther 2 with Denzel Washington's Son playing T'Challah, that includes the original Father and Son script, and give an honorable mention to Chadwick Bozman at the end. Now I would enjoy seeing that!!!
He should do what Zack Snyder did with The Justice League Movie, and release his own revised cut of Black Panther 2 with Denzel Washington's Son playing T'Challah, that includes the original Father and Son script, and give an honorable mention to Chadwick Bozman at the end. Now I would enjoy seeing that!!!
@@marshallharley9692 Won't happen.
Thank you!
I still have not scene Wakanda Forever. Only way I watch that crap is for free. Also if marvel movies wants to get out of the rut it's in Wolverine versus Hulk movie R rated. The story should resemble Wolverine's first appearance in the comics and basically be a horror action movie.
I personally thought a recast was most valid but ended up liking the film anyways, I understand those that don't want to see it because of that though
I do REALLY wanna see Hulk fight Wolverine, it'd be a way to redeem Hulk and also do something cutting edge as they're doing a lot without originality lately
Why didn't he make Mbaku the temporary black panther then recast
Gotta have more "stronk wahmen" and bring the men down.
M'Baku doesn't worship the panther God!
why would he? because he’s a warrior who’s a dude? mbaku has just recently began to embrace and protect Wakanda are y’all just confused ?
Did you see the movie? M'Baku becomes Black Panther at the end.....
@@johnwright8620 M'Baku became The King of Wakanda!
The mantle of Black Panther belongs to Shuri!
Two completely different titles!
Good on you Ryan Coogler. Good on you.
Shout out to Coogler for understanding the worth of your name and clearing it at the cost of Major Money
If this is true, Ryan’s story would have been much much better…along the lines of the first Black Panther. Well said-about a reverse engineered nightmare!
I don't doubt that he did want to make a father son story. Usually directors get overridden and do not write the full vision at the end of the day. I'm just disappointed that it came out some way or another, after the fact.
You're right. it happens a lot. Especially, with "us" because we don't have our own infrastructure. Seems like we're always tap dancing and compromising.
If it’s a major studio, directors have to fight for final cut before they sign onto the project.
The A-list directors have more power and control over the project.
Don't forget, they reshot damn near half the movie. Disney definitely stepped in.
I wouldn’t put down the strong, intelligent female images but I, and a lot of my friends, would have loved to see the equally strong, intelligent male images right beside them
as it should be!!
When others control we get their version of our story that is in no way intended to promote our unity and pride. I went to see him speak in LA. He did not mention any of this or speak on any controversial parts of the movie. Thanks for this video!
The character T’Challa was best portrayed in civil war by two white directors,
, who actually love the character I like Ryan Coogler but I really think he really doesn’t know care or love the character. As much as he says, Hollywood always try to come off as one of us, but regardless to me, Chad wasn’t really even giving too much opportunity with the character. the first movie. was already hijacked it by the woman of Wakanda. This black panther died literally three times in in the universe. Tell me any other hero that done that and be looked at as some type of idol Bozeman was OK in the role giving the opportunity what was given to him people are acting like he was Hugh ledger joker acting good. He wasn’t nowhere near that Hugh was perfect joker and they recast him 2 a lot after it 😂 do you really think they’ll make a Batman without Bruce Wayne nope
FACTS! Civil War was an outstanding performance and made the lack of character and growth for T'Challa in his solo film honestly disappointing to me
@@johnwright8620 in CW you was like man I can’t wait to see black panther how he was in that movie was a dream when I was a kid
@@Wyatt6661 same. I was never really sold on how cool he was until some of the cartoons came out but Civil War got the mystique, finesse, and swag all right. I was eager to see more of the man behind all that but the solo opted to focus more on the Tribe and Killmonger. I get they had to establish a lot but I wanted T'Challa, the Black Panther film, not just "here's Wakanda and her people" the movie
Straight facts. And do you know why he was best portrayed in Civil War? It's because the Russo bros are actually comic fans. Look at how they did Cap. Made him a straight badass. Apparently, they had a script ready to go and offered it to Coogler, but he turned them down for his own vision. Judging by how well they did Cap, and T'Challa as well, I really would've liked to have seen their vision of BP. I think they wouldn't made T'Challa as intelligent as he's supposed to be, and made him even better than he was in CW. Instead, we got a watered down version of BP.
But Coon-gler still made this trash. He acts like he didn't have a choice. Well who did? I'm sorry that the real life death of an actor was such an inconvenience to Feige and Coogler lol. This video is 100% cap 🧢 and more excuse making for the director. He could have chosen to make "his" movie, or out of respect for Boseman, just walked away. You don't get a pass for making trash...period
He not a fan of black panther 😂😂😂😂 like huh a father and son na we good on that
He did indeed. This is just an attempt to wash his hands
Can only shake my head and sigh that we never got to see this
People who didn’t get why a recast was vital puzzled me. They reasoned that if Chadwick couldn’t play it then nobody should but then they were cool with Shuri taking the mantle. I’m not interested in seeing a movie where the main character isn’t involved.
I agree, the MCU produces the same template for every movie. You said it yourself, "MCU is a machine"; they, like robots, do not veer from the formula. However, Ryan Coogler did an exceptional job, in spite of it. Yes, I cringed at the "woke" elements of the movie but I believe that Coogler and the actors made the best of a bad situation. The original movie does sound like it would have been remarkable and I enjoyed the movie that was released too.
100%
Ironically even Disney Marvel thinks that since She-Hulk literally made Kevin Feige into a machine in its final episode 🤣
This script would have been a better rendition of Superman Returns (2006) with Namor as the Lex Luthor villain/antihero.
What happened to making dope movies. Smh
Nothing but respect is given to those who can admit they're wrong and in your case? Multiple times. I am a recast advocate but I already knew the writing on the wall half way between Chadwick's death and their insistence on continuing production "on schedule" and calling it grieving. I already appreciated your content regardless of our difference in opinion on the matter but again, you have my respect.
So in other words, Feige bent Coogler over and told him to spell RUN? 🏃🏽♂️🏃🏽♂️🏃🏽♂️😂😂😂
I think he did a great job under the lost of Chadwick
he saved a movie to give us BP 3
His son will rise as the new black panther to
face Dr Doom along with Namor
marvels dead to me
Great take. Agree.
I haven't seen the movie yet. I am glad T'Challa wasn't recast. Shuri brought a lot to the table and was a more than worthy successor.
I am from Africa and seen the evils visited on widows and their children by a deceased man's family and the community at large in the name of tradition.
The decision to empower the women in this movie was the right one✊🏿
This was a puss move! He STILL could’ve recasted or pushed it hard. I didn’t hear him say “recast”. If he felt strong about his story of BP2, he could’ve walked out from it like a man & then spoke about it afterwards, but he didn’t. So to my opinion, this looks like he’s trying to stay face.
Wow! That script sounds infinitely better than what we got.
Disney is poison...