Im all about the cam pin channel degree increase. But you guys HAVE to fix your offerings. You either get a stripped bolt or a full kit with the spring and buffer? Where's the complete BCG offering sans spring and buffer??? Gotta add that as a 3rd option.
I shot mine on my 6ARC today. Works exceptionally well. If you opt for the bolt AND carrier yes, I get it. Just for the carrier though, it works great with a standard bolt in the Griffin carrier.
Expect to have to clean your buffer tube, buffer assembly and lower receiver Alot more (the gas and soot have to go somewhere). Moving the exhaust ports out of the ejection port makes no sense to me and seems to create more problems than it solves. I'd recommend whoever buys this keeps a healthy stock of brake cleaner!
I would be very interested in seeing 3rd parties do long term testing on these carriers, the feature set is phenomenal and if it holds up to long term abuse could very well be the best BCG on the market.
The gas channels direct the piston exhaust into the magazine similarly to the KAK carrier. There is a chamber on the left of the carrier that damps the exhaust pulse before channeling that exhaust gas into the magazine. This allows slowing and cooling of the gases to occur before they are passed into the magazine. This is a much more well thought out design than others that dump into the magazine. Not any more fouling in the chamber, but more in the shot column.
@@matthewconnor5483 Compared to the status quo, you have to wipe your mags off about once every year or two. That could be said about shooting suppressed in general, but people are going to use that to try and detract from the positives here.
Another major difference is in a regular BCG system the gas just goes wherever it can find space. It's just in chaos so it goes everywhere and in every direction. Here though, there is an intentionally engineered path of least resistance built into the product. It adds order to an otherwise very chaotic process. Don't try to stop the gas. Don't try to plug all the holes. A better method is to give the gas direction and a place to go. Which is why this thing works.
It took griffin to take all the best features from KAK, KAC, LMT, etc and put them into a single carrier. No need to settle with half of the features from one company.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZActually it's not the patents, it's the failure to make each individual piece economically viable. Separated out, each individual feature isn't in my opinion worth buying a new $300 carrier over. And on top of that, most of the features you are complaining about aren't being offered to anyone as they are not in production by anyone. Together though, that's different. That said, the biggest innovation in the whole product (in my opinion) is the pocket and several relief cuts on the left side of the carrier. To my understanding no one has ever tried that before. The moving of the vents is just a smaller part to a much bigger picture. The exact same science that quiets down a muzzle is being used in the bolt here. By design ARs have rearward gas. Now those gasses have an expansion chamber and a slightly delayed exposure to the outside air. If it works up front, why not in the back? If it was so easy, why didn't anyone else do it first? Are they building on the advances done before? Yep. Just like every single other technology ever created.
Sounds like they ripped off KAK, he claims this is “side venting” while there’s a cutout in the carrier for the gas to travel down, KAK has a patent on that or at least pending, it’s also shady that the kak sound testing was done by griffin a year ago. Seems like a ripoff, not shocking as griffin is composed of habitual thievery. ADM ambi lowers, kac suppressors, MI buis, the list goes on and on.
Maybe I’m confused but this seems to introduce multiple changes that could be detrimental. Some positive changes. Too many changes in search of a problem though.
@@zzzgoodnight2883 That's all been done by other manufacturers previously with success. The exhaust gas handling is the only new feature. The rest are extant enhancements.
Each individual thing is well vetted. The totality here is greater than the individual parts. Marrying two or four or ten complimentary features that have been tested ad nauseum on their own is a good thing. Look at Hornady. They didn't invent 6mm bullets. They also didn't invent AR15s. They didn't invent anything about the 6ARC, at least not in terms of components. But what did they make? They made the soup that put all of the other seemingly random things together. Here is no different.
@@BillyWillicker lol, $440 for some adjustments. Cool if that floats your boat. Or just get 3-4 milspec BCGs and have a couple backups. To each their own.
So this BCG that vents to the left… paired with BCM MK2 with additional room on left side of upper.. In 300BO with a good can.. how peaceful and potentially 0 gas 🧐🧐
I was wondering the same thing. He may be smart, but needs to allow someone who can articulate information more clearly and less monotone take the wheel on this.
Love your guys gear, but you need someone else for your videos. No offense to this guy, he's obviously got the tism for what we want but really lacks the charismatic personality we need to stay engaged with these videos. Just some constructive critisizm. Again your gear is great. Thanks fellas
I don't get it, call me crazy but that's the very reason I like my external piston ARs. There's no need at all for these upgrades for the most part. Most of the gas is being dumped outside the chamber and internals. They run so much cleaner and cooler with no need for all the many things people go through when trying to run a Can. Other than the price of some of them it's the way to go for me. No gas rings, tombstone BCG no carrier key or staking. To each their own, I have both and found the external piston much better for me all around.
That’s awesome! Thanks for the explanation of the new BCG. Btw, your video editor is doing a killer job.
2ND THIS
This is the type of video we needed to explain each component!🇺🇸💪🏽👍🏽 Excellent BCG! Now hopefully we see another channel put it to the test!
Dang you guys are killing it. Keep up the good work!!!!
Wont the gas ports dirty up the rifle way quick if they're on the left?
By far the best BCG to exist!!!
Mine should be delivered tomorrow, looking forward to trying it out!
Im all about the cam pin channel degree increase. But you guys HAVE to fix your offerings. You either get a stripped bolt or a full kit with the spring and buffer? Where's the complete BCG offering sans spring and buffer??? Gotta add that as a 3rd option.
The bcg needs a specific buffer to work properly. It will work with a normal one but won’t achieve the .25” additional stroke length
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We need some high speed review footage from you sir.
Griffin Armament has the best gear, I wonder how it will run on my 10.5 with my GP Nato suppressors
Does this work with Vltr A5 buffer system?
It’ll be super dope if they made a piston bcg with these features
Great job 👍
Going to be a great product 🎉. Love Griffin products!
Wish you you would make one for the 6.5 Grendel / ARC family
I shot mine on my 6ARC today. Works exceptionally well. If you opt for the bolt AND carrier yes, I get it. Just for the carrier though, it works great with a standard bolt in the Griffin carrier.
thanks for the video
Will your upper require more frequent cleaning with the exhaust ports on the opposite side of the carrier?
Most definitely
Expect to have to clean your buffer tube, buffer assembly and lower receiver Alot more (the gas and soot have to go somewhere). Moving the exhaust ports out of the ejection port makes no sense to me and seems to create more problems than it solves. I'd recommend whoever buys this keeps a healthy stock of brake cleaner!
I would be very interested in seeing 3rd parties do long term testing on these carriers, the feature set is phenomenal and if it holds up to long term abuse could very well be the best BCG on the market.
Looks neat, I'm excited to see the reviews. Looks like LMT and KAK have a new challenger.
Wouldn't having the vent holes on the left side cause more fouling in the chamber?
Most of the fouling comes out of the chamber, not from the gas system so the vent is minimal.
The gas channels direct the piston exhaust into the magazine similarly to the KAK carrier. There is a chamber on the left of the carrier that damps the exhaust pulse before channeling that exhaust gas into the magazine. This allows slowing and cooling of the gases to occur before they are passed into the magazine. This is a much more well thought out design than others that dump into the magazine.
Not any more fouling in the chamber, but more in the shot column.
@@matthewconnor5483 Compared to the status quo, you have to wipe your mags off about once every year or two. That could be said about shooting suppressed in general, but people are going to use that to try and detract from the positives here.
Another major difference is in a regular BCG system the gas just goes wherever it can find space. It's just in chaos so it goes everywhere and in every direction. Here though, there is an intentionally engineered path of least resistance built into the product. It adds order to an otherwise very chaotic process.
Don't try to stop the gas. Don't try to plug all the holes. A better method is to give the gas direction and a place to go. Which is why this thing works.
@ Yup, it's a thoughtful piece..
Why no chromed option ?
It took griffin to take all the best features from KAK, KAC, LMT, etc and put them into a single carrier. No need to settle with half of the features from one company.
Them patents really hurting innovation 😂
@@boygonewhoopdataZZActually it's not the patents, it's the failure to make each individual piece economically viable. Separated out, each individual feature isn't in my opinion worth buying a new $300 carrier over. And on top of that, most of the features you are complaining about aren't being offered to anyone as they are not in production by anyone. Together though, that's different. That said, the biggest innovation in the whole product (in my opinion) is the pocket and several relief cuts on the left side of the carrier. To my understanding no one has ever tried that before. The moving of the vents is just a smaller part to a much bigger picture. The exact same science that quiets down a muzzle is being used in the bolt here. By design ARs have rearward gas. Now those gasses have an expansion chamber and a slightly delayed exposure to the outside air. If it works up front, why not in the back? If it was so easy, why didn't anyone else do it first? Are they building on the advances done before? Yep. Just like every single other technology ever created.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ And competition.
Sounds like they ripped off KAK, he claims this is “side venting” while there’s a cutout in the carrier for the gas to travel down, KAK has a patent on that or at least pending, it’s also shady that the kak sound testing was done by griffin a year ago. Seems like a ripoff, not shocking as griffin is composed of habitual thievery. ADM ambi lowers, kac suppressors, MI buis, the list goes on and on.
Maybe I’m confused but this seems to introduce multiple changes that could be detrimental. Some positive changes. Too many changes in search of a problem though.
Just about all the changes done are positive. Left-handed shooters will like these a lot.
@ too many variables added. Change the cam, change the key length, change the bolt and gas rings. They all add more variables which can cause issues.
@@zzzgoodnight2883 That's all been done by other manufacturers previously with success. The exhaust gas handling is the only new feature. The rest are extant enhancements.
Each individual thing is well vetted. The totality here is greater than the individual parts. Marrying two or four or ten complimentary features that have been tested ad nauseum on their own is a good thing. Look at Hornady. They didn't invent 6mm bullets. They also didn't invent AR15s. They didn't invent anything about the 6ARC, at least not in terms of components. But what did they make? They made the soup that put all of the other seemingly random things together. Here is no different.
@@BillyWillicker lol, $440 for some adjustments. Cool if that floats your boat. Or just get 3-4 milspec BCGs and have a couple backups. To each their own.
So this BCG that vents to the left… paired with BCM MK2 with additional room on left side of upper..
In 300BO with a good can.. how peaceful and potentially 0 gas 🧐🧐
Who at Griffin decided it was a good idea to put this guy on camera?
The guy who owns the place. Which is the guy on camera. I think he did good. He's an engineer not a nightly news broadcaster.
Your mom watches this on repeat
I was wondering the same thing. He may be smart, but needs to allow someone who can articulate information more clearly and less monotone take the wheel on this.
Love your guys gear, but you need someone else for your videos. No offense to this guy, he's obviously got the tism for what we want but really lacks the charismatic personality we need to stay engaged with these videos. Just some constructive critisizm. Again your gear is great. Thanks fellas
He’s the owner😂
He needs to hire someone then 😂
yeah, but you cannot make my silencer come a part. I'll stay with my LWRC BCGs.
I don't get it, call me crazy but that's the very reason I like my external piston ARs. There's no need at all for these upgrades for the most part. Most of the gas is being dumped outside the chamber and internals. They run so much cleaner and cooler with no need for all the many things people go through when trying to run a Can. Other than the price of some of them it's the way to go for me. No gas rings, tombstone BCG no carrier key or staking. To each their own, I have both and found the external piston much better for me all around.