I own both and i fully agree with everything you said from a non biased standpoint.. stock motor to headwork the zx10 will rule in roll racing or landspeed where trapspeed matters instead of e.t. But for full builds beyond headwork you cant beat Suzuki.
Just about ready to trade my GSXR 1000 in for a ZX10 , I'm going to keep it now that I seen this video.... thanks for the good information, new subscriber love this channel!!!
,kawasaki has bad frame design were the swing arm bolts to the frame the pivot bolt is all the way towards the front of the bike if anything it should be on the back side so it has some strength its ass backwards just like they put the c clip holding the trans shaft i guess it would be in[ut clutch is on the other end and rod goes threw the middle of shaft the c clip holding shaft is all the way towards the clutch basket if you put somee healthy clutch springs in it they will break the casr of the enging and shaft floats on a z1 or kz 1000 series kawasaki must be trying to get back at us for fat man and little boy im thinking
THE TRUTH? Based on what? McBride 900cc based kawasaki was topdog forever. Yamaha's are killing in motogp. I'm a devote Suzuki/Kawai lover myself but let's be honest. Harley vrods owned the track for a long time. Track wins are really driven by engineers putting in the effort to design parts and make them available. Heavy market, fast bike. That's ever evolving. A statement like that is like the argument of who's the best guitarist of all time...lol Btw...Hendrix is the best guitarist of all time...lol
@@muhammadsteinberg I’ve owned both in street set ups and race set ups! Both are great in there own way. The HD Vrod took advantage of the rules that was always in place for the v-twins to go fast and the money of Harley helped !
@@smvsounds Exactly my point. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love suzuki. I actually put my Kz1000A on the shelf when I bought the then new to America 1986 gsxr1100. Aftermarket parts is what really drives track performance (rider skills being equal). Suzuki did blow the doors wide open with the gsxr series in 86. They hands down get the credit...Sport bikes drastically changed after that.
Gsxr= Chevy Zx10r= Ford R&d and aftermarket support plays a huge part in any build. Both can be made to go quick and fast. One will cost $1000 to do while the other will take $4000(example). Kawasaki dominates in road racing Suzuki dominates on the dragstrip. Great video
Camshafts for Suzuki's are like 200$ each, a pair of weld ups are 1000$ pair, 1350$ if you want a billet camshaft set for ZX14. Even the labour to work on these bikes cost more for Kawasaki just because of how they engineered the bike. Monocoque frame with build in air box and single block engine case compared to Busa's separate block is even cheaper to ship. It takes $$$ to make a Kawasaki fast, but it can be done. Join the masses or pay $$$ to be different...
Kawai are like Mopar. Great horsepower from the factory but sensitive engines. Suzuki are the small block Chevy of motorcycles. Bullet proof engines and respond well to mods.
The aftermarket determines the bikes potential. 6mm billet cranks or even 4mm have been around since 2001 for the GSXR 1000. Just look at the drag/classes. Way cheaper to build a Suzuki than Kawasaki too. Always has been this way for big bore strokers Busa and GSXR.
Your speaking nothing but the truth Chris , I’m a 20 plus year drag racer started on Kaws after a couple years running them at the track. I saw the light and switched to Suzuki was the better choice for a street based no bar bike on the track. Great vids man keep up the good work, SUZUKI NATION RULES!!
I’ve had a lot of bikes and my 5th gen zx10 is very hard to ride at the drag strip, I was faster on my bmw butttt the zx10 is a beast for a roll and hard to beat. !
As a Kawi fan and 18 10R owner, I can accept this. For the average rider with limited funds the cost, performance and reliability ratio swings in Suzuki favor. But with enough money anything is possible ( thinking of Stotz racing success with Honda ). I would like to see more development for Kawasaki and the new 1K's to bring some different mfgs out to the strip tho.
Peak numbers look really good on paper and thats about it. Do you happen to have a 190ish hp pull from a gsxr saved? Would be interesting to see an overlay of 2 similar peak pulls to compare the curves. Also, yes there might be some opinion in this, but a lot of experience as well. Another great video
Firstly, my eardrums are loving the new intro Chris. Really curious to hear your take on the S1000RR. I have a 2015 but have no intention of modifying it to this level, and in my part of the world access and cost is more of a problem. But I do love watching the pros do it. Excellent vid. Excellent content. Keep doing it. And by the way, while I'm commenting, yes, feel free to chuck in some car stuff and anything else you enjoy doing. Snow mobiles, leaf blowers, weed whippers, anything man 👍
@@TeamMooreMafia LOL Ouch. Send her my apologies for the offense. It's not that I "hated" it, but it was super high pitched and really painful on the ear 😁
Hey M.Mafia, I can only agree with ya.Both bikes are monster's and both have their place. Brock did a video "the devils in the details!" In this case the engineering!!!! Cool site man!
Moore Mafia....Something to say about Honda. Keep in mind that Frankie Stotz ran a 6.46 on a CBR 1000. You are correct that Suzuki is the dominant bike at the track but Honda can perform. Wish there was a larger variety of bikes but Suzuki is the king. I can't deny it.
My 06’ ZX10 made 175/85 with basic bolt on (Yoshi Header to open dump, PCIII, light stretch, Galfer Rotors all around, ZX-14 Calipers which break amazing!, nothing special. It’s beat quite a bit of newer 12’+ bikes but I account that to me actually knowing how to ride and shift properly. In It’s year range it usually dominates bikes with similar mods and year range 👍🏻 Love the bike and have it setup exactly as I like it, not sure I’ll sell it or not.
Lol oh man your gonna get some haters now lol Hey I’m a long time Suzuki busa guy and what he is saying is true I bracket race all the time on a stock motor bike and I use about a clutch a season sometimes more but not really Keep up the great videos And for the haters Honda and Yamaha make decent bikes they just suck for drag racing if you don’t believe it go to a drag strip lol
I dont drag my ZX10R it is strictly a twisties machine. It does great and I love it. I respect your opinions Chris so no harm or foul always great information especially the differences in engine configuration. When building a purpose built machine those differences in valve trains and clutch mechanisms are super important! Great video!
I definitely agree with you, what I'd like to hear is your opinion on hayabusa vs ZX14! I'm a Suzuki fan all day but the 14's have made some crazy numbers and put down good times as well. I'm upset that Suzuki is discontinuing the Busa but hopefully they have something up their sleeves
Could you go into why the K5 - K8 are the choice of bike (GSX-R) to build and the advantages of the K3 & K4 bottom ends compared to the L's and newer bottom ends...
K8 has 64 bit ecu, 2mm bigger valves and bigger header. Also 8 injectors. It has the best flowing head. K3 has the best clutch. K1 has the thickest cases. All Chris's bikes are 07/08 for a reason, those are the best years to build. K5/K6 are the lightest but has a frame cracking issue from factory. 1mm smaller valves than K7/K8. K7 were heavier due to dual exhaust stock, remove those and its closer to K5/K6. Hope this helps, common knowledge from a K1 owner from the beginning. There are shops that have been building 1143cc all motor big bore strokers since 2001, 200+whp 105tq on pump gas and no over heating in traffic. That was big street power in '01. Suzuki has been King of Power since its introduction in 2001.
Nice video, nothing wrong with liking any kind of bike I enjoy non biased opinions way more. I love kawasaki green! but think my next 1000 is going to be a 17+ gsxr my first ever suzuki.
Or just end the video and say “KAWI H2”.....Mic drop! 😂 I know that’s not what this video is about but....seriously good info on the bikes I wasn’t aware of
Forced induction vs NA is not a equal comparison. The h2 is a 1000cc supercharged machine that gets its ass handed to it by turbo GSXR750 on the regular. There are vids, look it up.
thanks for that comprehensive explanation Chris.... much appreciated... though am not a drag racer but a simple road bike enthusiast... it does makes a lot of sense and that's from you...more power..
Chris makes it very clear that it's his opinion. If you're a privateer and practice you'll be successful. Paper hp chasers can get their feelings hurt when a good rider with 150hp beats them. PRACTICE!!!
Nuttin but love 4 you Chris but Kawasaki has a big aftermarket support system. I've seen plenty of Kawasaki's go just as fast. Now I expect you 2 pick Suzuki because you rep them 2 the fullest, no hate on my end. We've discussed this on the phone & we kno you can make a Kawasaki just as fast wit the right parts & support. Not death threats on my end, lol🤣🤣🤣. Keep doing what you do & making bikes fast. All brands 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
I haven't had a Kaw since the early 70's. Z1 and Z1a. I run a GSXR 1000 and a Busa now. I'm interested in hearing all the different opinions. I lean towards the Suzuki's. And of the two I run I favor the Gixxer... I really liked this video!
I love both. I’m planning for a 2019ZX10RR & plan on building my bike. What tires & chain do you suggest for maximum horsepower & performance? I will be on the street instead of the track. That GSXR is extremely beautiful.
Your BRAVE to make such a video. The debate continues... I think the bikes are so competitive coming from the top 4-5 manufactures that is is almost negligent. As always this kind of conversation more subjective than objective. What are we talking about? 5% tweaks here or there with each brand having some + or - s ? Enjoy the videos
Every since the GS1100/1150 Suzuki has built a better bike ! The 1000 are ok ! But the hayabusa is a chevy big block 3 piece design. Head, cylinder, and base, turbo, pistons, stroke it etc easy to work on. And I ride a new ZX14R, but have had them all. And Yamaha and Honda what ? LOL
Can we see a comparison video between a busa and a zx14?! Im always hearing ppl say this one is better then the other one and back and forth! I own a gen 1 busa and i always get hate cuz ppl say u should have gone with a zx14...
No doubt about it GIXXER ALL DAY🤘🤙 Chris I enjoy your Videos,keep em coming! As a South Carolina boy myself, I'm glad you are putting us on the map. #GSXR#DaChamp
I have to ask, everybody knows you rep Suzuki Nation, totally get it. What I also see is tuner that while he reps Suzuki, he also give props where it's due, hence owning a 21zx10r as well as a 16 zx14 for super stock. Would you say, this comparison would have to be altered depending on what type of racing your doing, meaning anything other then Super stock? Seeing David Fondon who's been killing it in Super stock with his 19 Zx10r until recently switching to the BMW s1000RR. Not to mention yourself rocking the zx14 for the Super stock class. I am curious as to why you selected the zx14 over the Gsxr1k and Busa? We all know weight is a factor in any race weather street or track. Just a curious subscriber here.
When Chris said, " In the real world" lol.. In translation, he mean roll racing is for bakers.. When u race for money.. its from a dig.. and built gsxr is hard to beat..
@@TeamMooreMafia totally but i like them because they werent a dime a dozen. Dont know why they changed from the zx12 design engine. It was just like the zuk.
Keep doing what ur doing. Throw some zx14, hayabusa built dyno power to give views a idea. Your channel has opened my eyes on how much real power cost. We deal in street/ track bike power. The videos have really educated me on the things guys keep secret. Great work
@@TeamMooreMafia chis are you willing to travel for the racing school. I have alot of guy that would jump at the opportunity to learn. We are in houston and it doesnt cost much to rent out hmp
I imagine a 2017+ GSX-R would pull better from down low due to the variable timing gear and that would help out with all the grip you have at the track.
Excellent stuff, I cant believe the L7-L9 can handle a 60 shot stock. My L8 made 191WHP 84Ftlbs on pump and 196WHP 87Ftlbs on C85. Havent tried a loaded fuel yet. Cant wait to see what MR12 makes, hopefully more than 200WHP. Subscribed!!!!
@@TeamMooreMafia so you tested the spring rate of the valve springs and you are getting 56-58psi at the seat??? That's amazing if that's the case, I've been thinking about slapping a 40-50shot on my L8 for months now but I just cant seem to find enough people that have done it on the new gen!!! Great video and thank you for your time
being a Kawi racer (zx10) and not wanting to follow the crowd, I went with a zx10. Not that I regret my decision, I just wish i'd gone with a suzuki as a drag bike for reasons such as this as well as availability of parts.
Your safety is important next time tighten up that chain before u run it. Want to see more videos not chain slap live. Great content as always bro hope we meet one day I want super charged gsxr 1k stokes to 1100 hahah I miss that 1100
with that really long arm on it if the arm isnt strong they will buckle uo under extreme loading and chaiin will doing the snake wiggle on the bottom side the swing arm will twist as wwell i can see almost all of the 6 second bikes with long arms look at the rear tire its pitched at a angle leaning under load they should make a arm that has support on the top side on the chain side and on the bottom on the brake side
So Kawasaki is good for street racing but not for track use and Suzuki is great at both, street and track?🤔 Chris what about the BMW S1000rr???? What are your thoughts about that bike?
Nice video, informative, thank you .......... I'm Suzuki ALL the way, old school ...... I'll go new school in 2020 but I love my old 10 inch tire GS1500.
I have a busa gen 1 and zx12. All we do is drag race them. And the busa by far is just easier to work on. And definitely breaks less. Im thinking of selling the zx12 for possibly a 14 or should I do the busa gen 2
07/08 gsxr1k go for $4500-7500 all day with built $2k-3k head and cams that has bolts on already will destroy any gen4 zx10 and still be under 10k on the track or the street. how much do 4th gen zx10 go for 10k on the super low side to 14k full bolts may be more.
As a kawi fan I think the zx10r is the fastest bike out the box, so it’s the fastest bike from a roll. Everything else the gsxr is superior in terms of the drag strip. Better gear box better clutch wayyyyy bigger aftermarket for parts relating to the drag strip. I rather own a gsxr for a grudge bike. But I rather have a zx10r for roll racing! Also for power I think the zx10r should be set to rev to 14.5k . 14k is too low maybe one of the reasons it’s not making 200whp but at the end of the day dyno numbers means nothing.
I just bought a busa a few weeks ago ...OMG...Stupid fast!...I had come on home n shut that shit befo I killed myselve!..but yea bad mfrs...zuk nation fo life!
How can they hate on what your saying ... I've never seen a zx10 ever I'm pro street... not saying there hasn't been one .. but I've personally never seen one ... I've seen the zx14 come and go quickly .. gsxr ftw
The dragbike scene caters to suzuki. That is the reason people go with them. The industry makes more high performance things for Suzuki. If the industry made parts to hold for the Kawasaki, you would see a lot more kawasaki grudge bikes. Im a kawasaki man myself but they did screw up on the zx14r chassis set up. It is a freaking nightmare to work on vs the busa. You simply remove the fuel tank and you're down in the engine.
I don't even race and have no clue but a street racer told me if you are going to build a race bike he recommended the Suzuki GSXR because of after market parts are plentiful and less expensive money wise. I was told the zx14 will not hold up to well with certain builds. A guy on youtube is on his second zx14 he bought because the other one the engine blew up. His other zx 14 is a total loss and it will be scraped for the parts. He was telling me the truth.
Yamaha riders mad😂😂😂 Suzuki nation, we behind you Chris!!!
I don't have a Yamaha but i thought that they were more of a road-course bike.
I own both and i fully agree with everything you said from a non biased standpoint.. stock motor to headwork the zx10 will rule in roll racing or landspeed where trapspeed matters instead of e.t. But for full builds beyond headwork you cant beat Suzuki.
raceaddict321 👌🏾
Can you do the same topic video but with the ZX14 /Busa?
Doesn't have to, Suzuki wins, only way kawi was able to beat the busa was by giving it more cc's
Just about ready to trade my GSXR 1000 in for a ZX10 , I'm going to keep it now that I seen this video.... thanks for the good information, new subscriber love this channel!!!
Thank you for saying this. Suzuki is definitely the way to go but I will ride anything ..... we need more content!!!!
It’s the truth Suzuki is a better built bike for drag racing!
,kawasaki has bad frame design were the swing arm bolts to the frame the pivot bolt is all the way towards the front of the bike if anything it should be on the back side so it has some strength its ass backwards just like they put the c clip holding the trans shaft i guess it would be in[ut clutch is on the other end and rod goes threw the middle of shaft the c clip holding shaft is all the way towards the clutch basket if you put somee healthy clutch springs in it they will break the casr of the enging and shaft floats on a z1 or kz 1000 series kawasaki must be trying to get back at us for fat man and little boy im thinking
Suzuki has bigger clutch hub thats the prime reason for drag
THE TRUTH? Based on what? McBride 900cc based kawasaki was topdog forever. Yamaha's are killing in motogp. I'm a devote Suzuki/Kawai lover myself but let's be honest. Harley vrods owned the track for a long time. Track wins are really driven by engineers putting in the effort to design parts and make them available. Heavy market, fast bike. That's ever evolving.
A statement like that is like the argument of who's the best guitarist of all time...lol
Btw...Hendrix is the best guitarist of all time...lol
@@muhammadsteinberg I’ve owned both in street set ups and race set ups! Both are great in there own way. The HD Vrod took advantage of the rules that was always in place for the v-twins to go fast and the money of Harley helped !
@@smvsounds Exactly my point. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love suzuki. I actually put my Kz1000A on the shelf when I bought the then new to America 1986 gsxr1100. Aftermarket parts is what really drives track performance (rider skills being equal).
Suzuki did blow the doors wide open with the gsxr series in 86. They hands down get the credit...Sport bikes drastically changed after that.
Great vid Chris. Love it. I love the way you take time out to break things down in simple terms for me.
Gsxr= Chevy
Zx10r= Ford
R&d and aftermarket support plays a huge part in any build. Both can be made to go quick and fast. One will cost $1000 to do while the other will take $4000(example). Kawasaki dominates in road racing Suzuki dominates on the dragstrip. Great video
Chevy all day just like Gsxr
Camshafts for Suzuki's are like 200$ each, a pair of weld ups are 1000$ pair, 1350$ if you want a billet camshaft set for ZX14. Even the labour to work on these bikes cost more for Kawasaki just because of how they engineered the bike. Monocoque frame with build in air box and single block engine case compared to Busa's separate block is even cheaper to ship. It takes $$$ to make a Kawasaki fast, but it can be done. Join the masses or pay $$$ to be different...
Ford vs Chevy argument..... Zx10 is a beast. I love mine.
Kawai are like Mopar. Great horsepower from the factory but sensitive engines. Suzuki are the small block Chevy of motorcycles. Bullet proof engines and respond well to mods.
The aftermarket determines the bikes potential. 6mm billet cranks or even 4mm have been around since 2001 for the GSXR 1000. Just look at the drag/classes. Way cheaper to build a Suzuki than Kawasaki too. Always has been this way for big bore strokers Busa and GSXR.
Your speaking nothing but the truth Chris , I’m a 20 plus year drag racer started on Kaws after a couple years running them at the track. I saw the light and switched to Suzuki was the better choice for a street based no bar bike on the track. Great vids man keep up the good work, SUZUKI NATION RULES!!
I’ve had a lot of bikes and my 5th gen zx10 is very hard to ride at the drag strip, I was faster on my bmw butttt the zx10 is a beast for a roll and hard to beat. !
Very true.... Roll on... Kawi rules!
As a Kawi fan and 18 10R owner, I can accept this. For the average rider with limited funds the cost, performance and reliability ratio swings in Suzuki favor. But with enough money anything is possible ( thinking of Stotz racing success with Honda ). I would like to see more development for Kawasaki and the new 1K's to bring some different mfgs out to the strip tho.
Awesome video suzuki gsxr 1000 is my favourite hands down own a k6 1000 at the moment 🤙💪👍
Peak numbers look really good on paper and thats about it. Do you happen to have a 190ish hp pull from a gsxr saved? Would be interesting to see an overlay of 2 similar peak pulls to compare the curves.
Also, yes there might be some opinion in this, but a lot of experience as well. Another great video
Good Vid Chris. Can you compare the Busa to the Zx14.
I would like to see that too>
Easy,, zx14😁
@@sprayin14r98
Lol. Those 14s do run pretty good for sure. I was really on the Fence before I got my Busa. I really want Both. Lol
Yes please do a video on both bikes and both gens. 864 SALUTE
Any race track USA 100 Busa's 3 ZX14 there your answer.
Firstly, my eardrums are loving the new intro Chris. Really curious to hear your take on the S1000RR. I have a 2015 but have no intention of modifying it to this level, and in my part of the world access and cost is more of a problem. But I do love watching the pros do it. Excellent vid. Excellent content. Keep doing it. And by the way, while I'm commenting, yes, feel free to chuck in some car stuff and anything else you enjoy doing. Snow mobiles, leaf blowers, weed whippers, anything man 👍
My wife was so sad when i told her everyone hated the intro she made. Lol
I think everyone likes the new one she made much better!
@@TeamMooreMafia LOL Ouch. Send her my apologies for the offense. It's not that I "hated" it, but it was super high pitched and really painful on the ear 😁
Hey M.Mafia, I can only agree with ya.Both bikes are monster's and both have their place. Brock did a video "the devils in the details!" In this case the engineering!!!! Cool site man!
Moore Mafia....Something to say about Honda. Keep in mind that Frankie Stotz ran a 6.46 on a CBR 1000. You are correct that Suzuki is the dominant bike at the track but Honda can perform. Wish there was a larger variety of bikes but Suzuki is the king. I can't deny it.
This has become my new favorite channel ! Very informative ! Team Suzuki all the way !
My 06’ ZX10 made 175/85 with basic bolt on (Yoshi Header to open dump, PCIII, light stretch, Galfer Rotors all around, ZX-14 Calipers which break amazing!, nothing special. It’s beat quite a bit of newer 12’+ bikes but I account that to me actually knowing how to ride and shift properly. In It’s year range it usually dominates bikes with similar mods and year range 👍🏻 Love the bike and have it setup exactly as I like it, not sure I’ll sell it or not.
Lol oh man your gonna get some haters now lol
Hey I’m a long time Suzuki busa guy and what he is saying is true
I bracket race all the time on a stock motor bike and I use about a clutch a season sometimes more but not really
Keep up the great videos
And for the haters Honda and Yamaha make decent bikes they just suck for drag racing if you don’t believe it go to a drag strip lol
I dont drag my ZX10R it is strictly a twisties machine. It does great and I love it. I respect your opinions Chris so no harm or foul always great information especially the differences in engine configuration.
When building a purpose built machine those differences in valve trains and clutch mechanisms are super important! Great video!
I definitely agree with you, what I'd like to hear is your opinion on hayabusa vs ZX14! I'm a Suzuki fan all day but the 14's have made some crazy numbers and put down good times as well. I'm upset that Suzuki is discontinuing the Busa but hopefully they have something up their sleeves
Haha dude this video is awesome I own a 2006 gsxr 1000 stretched with nitrous so I'm in the clear
Could you go into why the K5 - K8 are the choice of bike (GSX-R) to build and the advantages of the K3 & K4 bottom ends compared to the L's and newer bottom ends...
I would actually really like to hear what Chris has to say about this topic.
K8 has 64 bit ecu, 2mm bigger valves and bigger header. Also 8 injectors. It has the best flowing head. K3 has the best clutch. K1 has the thickest cases. All Chris's bikes are 07/08 for a reason, those are the best years to build. K5/K6 are the lightest but has a frame cracking issue from factory. 1mm smaller valves than K7/K8. K7 were heavier due to dual exhaust stock, remove those and its closer to K5/K6. Hope this helps, common knowledge from a K1 owner from the beginning.
There are shops that have been building 1143cc all motor big bore strokers since 2001, 200+whp 105tq on pump gas and no over heating in traffic. That was big street power in '01. Suzuki has been King of Power since its introduction in 2001.
Nice video, nothing wrong with liking any kind of bike I enjoy non biased opinions way more. I love kawasaki green! but think my next 1000 is going to be a 17+ gsxr my first ever suzuki.
Or just end the video and say “KAWI H2”.....Mic drop! 😂 I know that’s not what this video is about but....seriously good info on the bikes I wasn’t aware of
Forced induction vs NA is not a equal comparison. The h2 is a 1000cc supercharged machine that gets its ass handed to it by turbo GSXR750 on the regular. There are vids, look it up.
idk how i found this channel...but this best channel on bikes ..period...💯
thanks for that comprehensive explanation Chris.... much appreciated... though am not a drag racer but a simple road bike enthusiast... it does makes a lot of sense and that's from you...more power..
Awesome videos. Keep up the good work . I knew the gsxr was the better of the bikes. Good job
The piano company🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂
Chris makes it very clear that it's his opinion. If you're a privateer and practice you'll be successful.
Paper hp chasers can get their feelings hurt when a good rider with 150hp beats them. PRACTICE!!!
Nuttin but love 4 you Chris but Kawasaki has a big aftermarket support system. I've seen plenty of Kawasaki's go just as fast. Now I expect you 2 pick Suzuki because you rep them 2 the fullest, no hate on my end. We've discussed this on the phone & we kno you can make a Kawasaki just as fast wit the right parts & support. Not death threats on my end, lol🤣🤣🤣. Keep doing what you do & making bikes fast. All brands 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Gixxer for life
He said the piano company 🤣🤣😭😭
I haven't had a Kaw since the early 70's. Z1 and Z1a. I run a GSXR 1000 and a Busa now. I'm interested in hearing all the different opinions. I lean towards the Suzuki's. And of the two I run I favor the Gixxer... I really liked this video!
The thing that is important about getting your bike tuned is fuel and air mixture because lean is not mean.....
I love both. I’m planning for a 2019ZX10RR & plan on building my bike. What tires & chain do you suggest for maximum horsepower & performance? I will be on the street instead of the track. That GSXR is extremely beautiful.
Your BRAVE to make such a video. The debate continues... I think the bikes are so competitive coming from the top 4-5 manufactures that is is almost negligent. As always this kind of conversation more subjective than objective. What are we talking about? 5% tweaks here or there with each brand having some + or - s ? Enjoy the videos
Every since the GS1100/1150 Suzuki has built a better bike ! The 1000 are ok ! But the hayabusa is a chevy big block 3 piece design. Head, cylinder, and base, turbo, pistons,
stroke it etc easy to work on. And I ride a new ZX14R, but have had them all. And Yamaha and Honda what ? LOL
There is a reason everything you see at the racetrack is SUZUKI!!!! Hahahahaha hell yah Chris your a badass man!
SUZUKI POWER
Love it! GSXR all the way! The truth is told!! I knew Suzuki made the superior bike!!
Can you do the same type of video comparing hayabusa and zx14?
Why else would you see 90% of the drag bikes at local tracks are all Suzuki's. They dominate in power delivery. And consistency
On my ZX10R off the line, let suck.but rolling I Eat the Gixxer so lunch. Good video Chris
I know chris but um I grew up with Kaws man that will never change my man embarrassed me on the highway when I was on gixr had to go back to that 14
Can we see a comparison video between a busa and a zx14?! Im always hearing ppl say this one is better then the other one and back and forth! I own a gen 1 busa and i always get hate cuz ppl say u should have gone with a zx14...
The piano company. Haha...
I agree chris
I loved this video. I will be strictly on the street & never the track. I want Chris to build my 2019 zx10r
Honest statements Chris. Awesome work, great informative vids👍
Suzuki to the front
That Zx10r has won 5 straight championship in wsbk though
No doubt about it GIXXER ALL DAY🤘🤙 Chris I enjoy your Videos,keep em coming! As a South Carolina boy myself, I'm glad you are putting us on the map. #GSXR#DaChamp
I have to ask, everybody knows you rep Suzuki Nation, totally get it. What I also see is tuner that while he reps Suzuki, he also give props where it's due, hence owning a 21zx10r as well as a 16 zx14 for super stock. Would you say, this comparison would have to be altered depending on what type of racing your doing, meaning anything other then Super stock? Seeing David Fondon who's been killing it in Super stock with his 19 Zx10r until recently switching to the BMW s1000RR. Not to mention yourself rocking the zx14 for the Super stock class. I am curious as to why you selected the zx14 over the Gsxr1k and Busa? We all know weight is a factor in any race weather street or track. Just a curious subscriber here.
Hey man love the videos can you compare gen 2 busa to a gen 2 zx14 for a mild build. They are both popular in real street
Suzuki gang!!!!! I have a 07 gsxr 1000 the same color
Kawi rider but keep the vids coming!
When Chris said, " In the real world" lol.. In translation, he mean roll racing is for bakers.. When u race for money.. its from a dig.. and built gsxr is hard to beat..
People roll race for $$% also
Tom Jones not for 10 grand
@@KillSpawn47 yes they do. You're at the wrong races bro
built CBR 1000 damn fast from Dig
@@Expressoo22 who builds a CBR?.. like are they from the planet and what drag strip they racing at?.. what's there handle?
Well i can say the aftermarket is catching up with parts for kaws. It cost more to build kaws vs zuks.
The price of Kaw parts is crazy!!!
@@TeamMooreMafia totally but i like them because they werent a dime a dozen. Dont know why they changed from the zx12 design engine. It was just like the zuk.
Keep doing what ur doing. Throw some zx14, hayabusa built dyno power to give views a idea. Your channel has opened my eyes on how much real power cost. We deal in street/ track bike power. The videos have really educated me on the things guys keep secret. Great work
@@TeamMooreMafia chis are you willing to travel for the racing school. I have alot of guy that would jump at the opportunity to learn. We are in houston and it doesnt cost much to rent out hmp
I would. Check on the rental.
Good content. Keep it coming. Thx
14 vs Busa next video
I imagine a 2017+ GSX-R would pull better from down low due to the variable timing gear and that would help out with all the grip you have at the track.
Thank you buddy for the guidance
Excellent stuff, I cant believe the L7-L9 can handle a 60 shot stock. My L8 made 191WHP 84Ftlbs on pump and 196WHP 87Ftlbs on C85. Havent tried a loaded fuel yet. Cant wait to see what MR12 makes, hopefully more than 200WHP. Subscribed!!!!
I personally think they might handle more. The one I did is still out there flying with ZERO issues!!!
@@TeamMooreMafia so you tested the spring rate of the valve springs and you are getting 56-58psi at the seat??? That's amazing if that's the case, I've been thinking about slapping a 40-50shot on my L8 for months now but I just cant seem to find enough people that have done it on the new gen!!! Great video and thank you for your time
being a Kawi racer (zx10) and not wanting to follow the crowd, I went with a zx10. Not that I regret my decision, I just wish i'd gone with a suzuki as a drag bike for reasons such as this as well as availability of parts.
Love your honesty !!
Well for one nobody makes a quick access clutch cover for the kawi thanks to the awesome kawi design...... sigh.....
Which has the more aggressive snatch during a lauch and the most aggressive powetband and big end
Your safety is important next time tighten up that chain before u run it. Want to see more videos not chain slap live. Great content as always bro hope we meet one day I want super charged gsxr 1k stokes to 1100 hahah I miss that 1100
The piano company😂😂😂😂
Would love to know your thoughts on a BMW s1000r.....
eehhh... We will get into them on another video.
@@TeamMooreMafia thank you......
Burned up clutCHes all day
Heard they are unreliable
Of course they are. All bmw are unreliable
Awesome your a Straight shooter. 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Loved your input on the two cycles.
with that really long arm on it if the arm isnt strong they will buckle uo under extreme loading and chaiin will doing the snake wiggle on the bottom side the swing arm will twist as wwell i can see almost all of the 6 second bikes with long arms look at the rear tire its pitched at a angle leaning under load they should make a arm that has support on the top side on the chain side and on the bottom on the brake side
That's why you our 864 legend, nice video......(cough) go zx14(cough cough)...that company that makes pianos🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Facts
So Kawasaki is good for street racing but not for track use and Suzuki is great at both, street and track?🤔
Chris what about the BMW S1000rr???? What are your thoughts about that bike?
Nice video, informative, thank you ..........
I'm Suzuki ALL the way, old school ...... I'll go new school in 2020 but I love my old 10 inch tire GS1500.
I have a busa gen 1 and zx12. All we do is drag race them. And the busa by far is just easier to work on. And definitely breaks less. Im thinking of selling the zx12 for possibly a 14 or should I do the busa gen 2
"the piano company" now you have one bro xD
07/08 gsxr1k go for $4500-7500 all day with built $2k-3k head and cams that has bolts on already will destroy any gen4 zx10 and still be under 10k on the track or the street. how much do 4th gen zx10 go for 10k on the super low side to 14k full bolts may be more.
Two of my buddies have a 18 and a 19 the 18 made 183 to the wheel and the 19 made 186 to the wheel does that sound about what you’re hearing Chris??
Yes
I agree. So how how you fill bout the zx14r in the 1300 busa build.
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SUZUKIAN , Gixxey Lover .
Thanks , sir ✍️ 🤳
Your truly the best, Do you tune BMW s1000 for the street and how do they stand up against the Kawi and Zuk for street racing, I value your opinion,
I do a lil with BMW's. Contact me at the shop 8642445447
Agreee zuki run things!
There is no debate. Suzuki 💯%
Busalove Hayabusa is king
As a kawi fan I think the zx10r is the fastest bike out the box, so it’s the fastest bike from a roll. Everything else the gsxr is superior in terms of the drag strip. Better gear box better clutch wayyyyy bigger aftermarket for parts relating to the drag strip. I rather own a gsxr for a grudge bike. But I rather have a zx10r for roll racing! Also for power I think the zx10r should be set to rev to 14.5k . 14k is too low maybe one of the reasons it’s not making 200whp but at the end of the day dyno numbers means nothing.
Between the two. Who makes the strongest most reliable stock motor? I know there all pretty good.
Just made my decision to get that busa that much easier 👌🏾
I just bought a busa a few weeks ago ...OMG...Stupid fast!...I had come on home n shut that shit befo I killed myselve!..but yea bad mfrs...zuk nation fo life!
How can they hate on what your saying ... I've never seen a zx10 ever I'm pro street... not saying there hasn't been one .. but I've personally never seen one ... I've seen the zx14 come and go quickly .. gsxr ftw
Great videos man 💪🔥🔥👨🏽🏫 teach the class
Great video
Love Suzuki and Honda.
They both lay it down and built to last.
The dragbike scene caters to suzuki. That is the reason people go with them. The industry makes more high performance things for Suzuki. If the industry made parts to hold for the Kawasaki, you would see a lot more kawasaki grudge bikes. Im a kawasaki man myself but they did screw up on the zx14r chassis set up. It is a freaking nightmare to work on vs the busa. You simply remove the fuel tank and you're down in the engine.
I don't even race and have no clue but a street racer told me if you are going to build a race bike he recommended the Suzuki GSXR because of after market parts are plentiful and less expensive money wise. I was told the zx14 will not hold up to well with certain builds. A guy on youtube is on his second zx14 he bought because the other one the engine blew up. His other zx 14 is a total loss and it will be scraped for the parts. He was telling me the truth.
To think of it I’ve never seen a built Stretched R1 or CBR
I agree
@mooremafia. Can i ask what the green wheel color code is from the zx10? Kind regards.
is there any way you could do a video on your boost control system?