Illegal immigration could be stopped overnight if the United States government really wanted to. Go after and punish the companies that hire them. Its that simple.
@@MrCross-hh2wg Mitt Romney's "self deportation" model, which sounded so absurd when you just heard those two words. But instead, let's punish the illegal immigrants for following our defacto policy.
Is there some country where white Americans can immigrate to, and get a free house and UBI? If not then that's recist. I vote Trump because I am green with envy. If I'm not getting UBI, then no one should get it...
I'm all for a very tough but fair immigration policy. Stop illegal immigration, end catch an release, Put back the remain in Mexico policy, deport all new arrivals within the last 3 yrs. . Have a new immigration law that allows those here for more than 10yrs, have broken no laws, Work hard and are not on government assistance programs to create a path towards citizenship. Seems fair to me.
No one is illegal on this EARTH GOD made humans to go and multiply All over the world no boarders to Support their system to make money and supports humans for their benefits
@@APerls@APerls, I do not understand. Are you suggesting someone who will become an EX-patriot and a foreigner in a country they do not have any connection vs. Native Mexicans going home? This is an interesting pushback.
@APerls I've been there and ate the tacos 🌮 and did not get sick. I even drank a cola with local made ice cubes. It's safe and there is no excuse for coming to the USA illegally.
A lot of these immigrants cannot stand Americans. They think we have money handed to us just because we’re Americans. I’m sick and tired of losing jobs and I’m very qualified for just to have somebody else come along who’s not qualified get hired. I can’t believe that nobody’s doing anything about it either. I’ve sat and watched all of this go down the past several years. I’ve been really depressed over it. It seems like it just keeps getting worse, not better.
As long as you don't get money out of politics, the situation is going to keep getting worse. Trump isn't going to change that either. Because at the end of the day, instead of foreigners being near you, being given your job, it will be foreigners in their own home nations getting your jobs given to them on-site.
Let me get this straight...you fearlessly commit a crime, then get frightened when the consequences are on you and people are supposed to be compassionate???
You paint a very inhumane picture… how about this, your economic situation in your country is so dire that you struggle to feed your children but you hear of a place where the streets are paved of gold. So you make the heat wrenching decision to leave your family, friends and everything you know behind to pursue the POSSIBILITY (not even a guarantee) of a better life for you and your family. So you risk your life to come through illegally (people die at the border all the time) and make it through. Now you take low paying labor intensive jobs to make money to send back home to support your family who all think you’re living the dream but in actuality you’re living in a one room rental working 10 hrs per day and also live with the fear that at any moment you could get caught by immigration and sent back home. The fear doesn’t even come from you not being able to live here anymore, the fear comes from you no longer being able to provide your family the better life style they’re living back home if you were to get deported. This my friend is when people lack empathy it’s because some politician has gotten you to view immigrants as not being real people. Because tell me if you were lucky enough to have been born in some other country you wouldn’t have done the SAME EXACT thing for your kids or family. None of this is to say that it justifies an illegal act but let’s not be hypocrites in the process
@xchapix no disrespect but I'm not reading all that . The first sentence is enough...do the same thing every black person in America has had to do because we've never had anywhere else to run and become parasites. As we say in the hood "get it out the mud" .
@@xchapixthat’s not how any of this works. They have to stop at the first safe country they come to. They choose not to do that. And financial asylum is not a legal reason to get asylum.
First, there’s not enough illegal immigrants completing a census form every ten years to vastly change congressional districts, that argument in theory is true, but it’s not reality. Second, if we accept the hypothetical that immigrants greatly change the political landscape, the census is done every 10 years, it’s not like it’s an annual task. Finally, republicans change congressional maps through their gerrymandering efforts for every election cycle, that is a FACT vs their 10-year hypothetical census count!
I think of that as an interesting point and rational point of view. But why is Texas bussing them to NY or other 'blue' states? Are they complicit on this? I certainly can't be just because the cities are sanctuary cities because then that would protect them more from immigration enforcement.
@@wednesdar452 first, how many illegal immigrants are filling out the census, that’s hysterical! Second, it’s counted every 10 years. But I’m sure there’s a study on how much the census has affected congressional districts in the last 50 years compared to the number of migrants entering the country.
Interesting how the right still lied. We've had the same Border policy since 1952. Biden didn't open the Border tRump was only allowed to use remain in Mexico because of Covid. The Supreme Court changed it which happens to be a Republican majority after Covid was under control. And they didn't talk about the Langford bill written by a Republican. And tRump stopped it from being passed.
Let's be even more honest that there's way more American citizens as criminals. Most crossing over from Mexico just want to work to support their family & it's cheap labor that's been taken advantage of Even djt has plenty of migrants in servitude @ MaraLardo
@@JAdE143-ooo What a terrible argument. Of course there are more American citizens that commit crimes; there are way more Americans than there are illegal immigrants.
@@JAdE143-oooDo you know how dumb that sounds? Of course there's going to be more American citizens committing crime. Look at the ratio of American citizens verses illegal aliens. Illegals still commit a lot of crime!
Yeah, it's the same out here in the free world, most of the crime is done by the natives still and consistently. I understand at the start of Scarface they allude to Cuba opening up their prisons to send their worst criminals to the US, but that's a movie set in the 20th Century? We don't really make policy based on imaginary scenarios, like these unquantified criminals of yours that they frightened you into voting for one side because you obviously don't understand about immigration policy to have such a simplistic view on it not actually based on reality, right.
One thing that wasnt explained well is: by adding to census numbers, and in turn, adding congressional districts, the number of electoral votes increase.
I wish that Brandon Judd had seen that Shane didn't really understand that a state using illegal immigration to add districts (and, thus, increase its number of House seats) has nothing to do with unlawful voting by aliens so that Shane could question the second guest about it.
@einnAnnie Although, I don't believe that adding congressional districts based on population growth is the driving force behind allowing anyone to enter the country illegally, it would be extremely advantagous to the Democratic party. Most elections over the past few decades have come down to very few electoral votes. I think the primary reason for this policy was to do the same thing that Trump did when he took office. To undo all of the major policy changes that Trump had campaigned on. Trump immediately tried to negate all of the progress Obama made during his tenure. If you want to see what a sudden uncontrollable population increase does to a country, you only have to look North to Canada and what effect it has had on the cost of housing, and the cost of living for all of its citizens.
And let’s say we grant all of these illegal immigrants citizenship as the democrats want to do, if your the party that’s been advocating on your behalf to become citizens and they’ve been in control of where to send them around the country, it’s not hard to see how drastically that would change outcomes of elections, in a country that’s fairly evenly split especially the national vote for presidential elections, this almost guarantees a democrat president every year, throw in these congressional districts being added, it’s an artificial makeover to the voter base, and political power shifted solely towards democrats
@@ModemMage I think you might be very surprised at the barriers to entry. Also, natural citizens don't know this. I would venture to say most Americans don't know this. Most Americans believe whatever they are told on tv and the Internet without researching facts and coming to an educated conclusion on any subjects, not just politics.
One need not understand all the complexities of policy to understand that our border is not secure and that we're already having problems from this massive influx.
We got the best army ever assembled, but can’t stop an unarmed illegal immigrant with a middle school education from entering our southern border unlawfully is astounding!
@@DragnEYEignored for 4 years? You mean decades. Ignored for decades. There are very wealthy people that profit immensely by hiring undocumented workers, workers who pay taxes.
Our military is not allowed to protect our borders. I dont understand why we need so many soldiers and tanks if they’re not used along the border against the drug and human trafficking cartels who are well armed
@@AshMorganComedy martial law is not needed here.. martial law is mobilisation for war.. we can just allow our military to protect our borders as Polish military does in Poland.. they are using real bullets and electric wall.. that’s why Poland is so safe for the CITIZENS of Poland who Polish government is representing… if you want to collect all the criminals around the world please accommodate them in your home! Charity should be voluntarily, NOT enforced! I am NOT participating in this insane charity any more! Same as the MAJORITY of the Americans who voted for TRUMP! ❤🇺🇸
Most conservatives or Republicans are not opposed to all immigration. Just want legal immigration based on carefully thought out needs and what's best for Americans. We might be open to some kind of amnesty for those who have been here, but not if it is going to incentivize continued illegal immigration. The idea that every 10 or 20 years you can get amnestiated in seems enough of an incentive to keep people coming in illegally.
Shane Smith is the only reason i watched VICE in the first place. Im actually watchign VICE again here and there because he seems to be doing a more active role and making interesting content again. Its not just about sex life in Japan.
Did Vice just grow a pair? This was actually a non-biased report. The denial of immigrant vote buying is funny because there was every mention of how long it takes to get immigrant voting status, and no mention of the push for illegal immigrant illegal voting rights.
The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong…
Part of it, i thought to myself if i were mexico how would i feel about the things going on? Well, id hold resentment for the way the us treats us and my people. our government doesn't care about those people and they know it. Why would anyone wana play one sided ball? Let us dare not talk about the corruption, on both sides. Let's not talk too much... you know nobody likes a know-it-all! When will people understand that the criminally minded will never play the ball us "good people" want to play.
I have to be honest that I learned many specifics that politicians will not openly discuss, and it has informed how I view the issue. The one thing that never changes in our country, however: at the end of the day, it's all just a power play from the ruling class with a lot of collateral damage. We as voters need to actually inform ourselves and also demand transparency and accountability from our representatives. Until we hold ourselves accountable to this standard, the cycle will just continue.
Yes, significantly when your low-income district in the Bronx is slashing school and town budgets to make room for migrants to stay in schools, airports, etc. Also, it isn't Congress's fault because the liberal policies always have hidden caveats, like letting in 5,000 migrants or sending millions to Ukraine. All politicians are clowns, but these liberals have lied about the COVID lab leak and the border costing thousands of deaths.
Thanks to the Internet there is much we can learn even without transparency and I would highly recommend that you fact check what this person has claimed.
This is a very informative and clearly articulated discussion about the differing sides and points of view about this issue. And I agree, that it's a political football used to manipulate us more than anything. The people wouldn't be coming if the powers that be, whenever and whoever they be, did not want them here. And though I don't personally find anyone coming here to be an issue - increasing my understanding of why it is a several decades long political debate designed to cloud recognition of the more damaging issues - of which immigration is just a movable part of what is used to fortify the interests and entitlements of the nobles.
Because the system worked before and still works. Like the statistics on the chances someone was able to vote without registration in the presidential election was literally in three digits, which is extremely small when about 150+ million people voted. Trump created mistrust in the voting system so he can win, which is why Trump claimed voter fraud in 2016, 2020, and 2024. Despite him winning in 2016 and 2024.
@allenliu8820 There's definitely weird things that make it easier to believe that there might be fraud that they should address if they don't want people to take voter fraud claims seriously. Most states count their votes completely by a few hours after the polls close. But then the swing states are counting all night and morning. And California and Alaska take a week. Then there's computerized voting machines, which take longer to count, have errors every election, and don't leave paper records. Then there's a few states that always have a massive jump in votes for democrats at 3am from mail in ballots. It happened in 2024, too, in Wisconsin and New Mexico, just not enough for Trump to lose. In 2020, they explained it as democrats using mail in ballots more than Republicans, but in this election, mail in ballots were split evenly. But there was still that 3am spike for democrats. Also, Democrats used to claim election fraud when they lost, too. They complained about voting machines in 2000. If there's an explanation, why deflect from answering?
@@allenliu8820wait a second. So in this country everyone, unless you live under a fucking rock, can see that it’s all a grift. Corruption is behind every single door, a scam around every corner. But you think voting and elections are on the level?!?! Let me ask you something, Do you think all election, both federal and state, are free of any type of corruption?!? Ill wait here for your answer
Every comment I see by a republican I can tell why Trump won. Zero critical thinking skills. Zero research done. "California does not require voters to present PHOTO identification. However, some voters may be asked to show a form of identification when voting if they are voting for the first time after registering to vote by mail and did not provide a driver license number, California identification number, or the last four digits of their social security number." THIS IS THE MOST LIBERAL STATE. YOU STILL NEED IDENTIFYING INFO. There are single digit illegal aliens voting, if at all. It's not a large number at all. You've just convinced yourself it's a problem because a snake oil salesman who probably has a lower iq than you told you it was true.
As an immigrant, I'm wondering what this gentleman is smoking saying "the only way to come in is to go to the border and seek asylum". I came here for school, then worked, then got green card, like 100s of thousands of people every year. And I don't even hate my home country at all or had any issue back home so that I had to seek asylum. It's incredibly dishonest to frame it so dramatically, ignoring 100s of thousands of people getting in legitimately every year. To me the experience was simple: It's just that I got to do what I needed to do, and I contributed to the American society and I was given a chance after stated my reasons, rightfully so. I didn't even have to get my green card through marriage with my American spouse. If you have legitimate reasons to be here, aka you are a prospect of becoming a contributing member of this society, you have more than enough ways to get in. However we design this process with empathy and intelligence, it should probably be a bit harder than just turning up at the border.
@@einnAnnie The one that has an ex-president billionaire, supported by the richest man in the world (who also happens to be one of the pentagon's largest defense contractors)- who pretends they AREN'T 'insiders' or 'the elites'.
No it isn't. But if you really insist, then we need a free national ID card that's issued to all 330 million of us with minimal effort required on the individual's part. The fact that you fascist window-lickers bristle at that idea is proof that you just want to disenfranchise the demographic groups who are less likely to have a driver's license.
Catch and release was popular in the 80s because we didn't nor still do, have enough court processing power to process the amount of people. They aren't catching them and then just saying have a good day. They are processed then given a court date to appear at.
Why would they think they could come here and take our jobs with no repercussions from us and speak their language and then Joe ignores the fact American people have their own culture and if that’s messed up there’s gonna be big trouble
It's not just about controlled. In orderly status, it's also about fairness. Those who have been waiting in line for years should be at the front of the line. Those who have applied even if they're still in their own countries, they should be ahead of the illegal immigrants
@@norwegianboyee at this point, I WISH I COULD LEAVE!!!! Unfortunately, I’m AM 70, POOR & PHYSICALLY DISABLED DUE TO YEARS OF DEALING WITH PAIN CAUSED BY THOSE INJURIES. SO I’M STUCK HERE!!!!
@jryland6 I don't know your situation but if you've checked out assets to sell discreetly and if you collect you disability check straight in your bank account I'd consider cheaper European countries on the coasts a few months of the year if possible. I don't know your situation though but in winter in Spain in the Costa del sol you can rent in a place called torremelinos you can rent a small furnished apartment for €600 per month. It's full of English speaking retirees. Take care.
People can always come to America, but they need to do it the right way. What would happen if I was to just illegally cross into Canada for example would they just let me stay?
americans have a right to say "no". its our country, and if you call that racist I'll say "yes Im a racist", because its better then standards being removed for our culture.
On this subject, what makes you think that people are listening to things that are not true when we can see it for ourselves I work a full-time job and needed help for utilities. I qualify for it, but they denied me because they said it it’s based on necessity meaning the people most in need which people don’t have jobs that are welfare come first and I know for sure that our system is getting overwhelmed by illegals because I work at a Hispanic grocery store and I am Hispanic, so people in my neighborhood in my workplace I go based on what I see and I see what people pay with mostly EBT card. They don’t know the language coworkers that I have. Don’t have any children yet they get government assistance so I’m haven’t been here that long and theycould already vote already yet. I don’t qualify for any help because they say I make too much and I only make $18 an hour so whatever the audience wants to assume and everything just go by based on what you see if you go to the financial aid office, you could get a package, which tells you it doesn’t matter if you don’t have no legal documents you still qualify for assistance and I think it’s affecting my neighborhood because we never gonna upgrade the things we have here because the people that come here they’re coming from poverty this is the upgrade
America is the biggest entertainment hub in the world. Vice could of still been big if it just remained in Canada. America offers way more opportunities for Capital investment.
I see this as more of a corporation, large business(if that exist), to small business problem. They benefit the most from immigration to illegal immigration. The states, and the fed benefit as well, from undocumented worker taxes as well as sales tax. The party fight help shield the corporations, businesses that benefit most from all forms of immigration.
@@RioDuek sure we do, but thus “expert” should be stating facts, not speaking to persuade opinion. Shane’s journey is typical of someone entering through the northern border, if we were serious about migrants entering legally, we’d secure both borders exactly the same, but it’s more about who these ppl,are and where they come from than anything else. Americans will be sorry when they’re paying $10 for a bunch of bananas or oranges or a gallon of milk. Migrant workers do all the 💩 jobs that Americans don’t want to do, many within agriculture and food processing!
@@jeanniep1003 He visited the Darien gap. You know, where women and children are getting raped by cartels and where most people who take the journey die. I think he's a field expert for sure. Who are you?
You will always see bias when you literally don't want to understand the difference between legal entry using visas and green cards and illegal entry in between ports of entry claiming "asylum".
@@stefanbucur6472 Everyone has bias, but not everyone misrepresents the facts. The Left brags about the replacement of native born Americans. It isn’t a conspiracy theory if it is admitted to, whether or not you like Tucker Carlson.
After Shane's embarrassing appearance on Rogan he needed to do this. He didn't seem to have a clue what was going on at the border. Great guest--this dude definitely knows what's going on.
More than anything, Trump's win along with GOP control of Congress probably says more about how out-of-touch the Democratic party has become. The Dems spent their time pandering to their base and defending unpopular positions on immigration, criminal justice, the economy, etc. instead of trying to win over moderate voters.
The retired immigration guy was ok until he said the border problem is designed to bring socialism and stuff about California. Thats when he started to sound crack pot
he right though, it's well document, called the Cloward-Piven strategy, to intentionally overwhelm the welfare system to bring about political crisis and unrest.
Shane, you could have gone to: Alexander Betts; Madeleine Sumption; Audrey Lumley-Sapanski. Talk to real experts, not over-confident arse-dribbles like Bensman. You're a journalist, do better.
They also been in central and south American not with war, but by using all the resources that the country has, then leave the countries, the economy become a mess, people loose their jobs of many years many countries never recover because of the crooked governments. Also I read that when a country gets a good leader that wants what is good for the country one way or the other the USA get rid of them and put a crooked leader that will work with the USA.
Hello, I agree that United States meddling is a prime issue. But this question is something I am continuously seeing. Loose=Lose, I am not a grammar nazi; I use Grammarly, but is this an ESL thing. I know that American English can contradict and have a confusing word structure, but I would like to know. if you answer or not. Thanks for your post.
Your guests share a common fallacy, they all make the immigration issue such a complicated problem that it can never be solved, even experts, media and professional politicians cannot solve. The experts, the media and the professional politicians must keep it unsolvable, otherwise they will lose their jobs, so, they abandoned common sense. The Immigration issue is not that complicated. We are not the 13 colonies, we are a nation-state, and when we lose control of the border, we are no longer a nation. - If the demographics shows our nation is aging, work on incentives to create more babies. - If we need more farm workers, increase the quota for work permits. - If we need more engineers, increase the quota for H-1B visas. - If Americans become too lazy to work, work on education. - If Americans work force has lost the skill sets for hi tech jobs, work on training programs. - If Democrats and Republicans use brainwashing techniques to alter our attitude toward immigrants, tell them to stop. - If our government feeds us with false information, demand the truth. I am an immigrant waited for 10 years for my green card in my old country so that I can come here legally. I don’t regret for waiting. I love America, America is a great country, perhaps the greatest country, and Americans have big hearts.
- If Democrats and Republicans use brainwashing techniques to alter our attitude toward immigrants, tell them to stop. - If our government feeds us with false information, demand the truth. i got a really big laugh out of these points.
lol Incentivize to have more babies...There are 8 billion people, are we supposed to just grow exponentially? What about the rest of the species on this planet?
So you waited for 10 years, than it means that one of your family member who had become a citizen of usa applied for you. I don't believe any other work visa, that you had to wait 10 years to come. This provision will probably disappear, because they don't want you to come and then bring all your family 10 years later... Nice job
Never in the whole video it was discussed that all those immigrants where processed by private American companies wich each immigrant was charged 5,000 dollars times 10,000,000 immigrants equals to 50,000,000,000 billion dollars all to the pockets of American private companies
we don't let the in war zones. this a warzone. keep track of anyone from Europe. and especially foreign immigrants closely watched... longer times t becoming citizenzships
I grew up in southern California in the late 70s and early 80s ,the estimate back then was a " got away" every ten seconds and then Reagan gave millions of illegals amnesty ,let's see what happens this next four years .
The thing is immigrants (Latinos) won't even be voting Democrats by the time they can vote. Hell, Hispanics are a big reason Trump is about to become president, so why exactly is there a conservative push to believe Democrats can successfully import future voters? Immigrants largely have conservative values, and by the time they can vote+issues at that time, there's no guarantee they would even vote Democrat.
Just do it for the future of the country -- a non-partisan issue. --> will not incentivize illegals to cross the border and baby spit. Amend `U.S. Citizenship By Birth.` "Citizenship by birth" should be granted only to children born to U.S. citizens and permanent residents. In addition, at least one parent must be a U.S. citizen or a permanent resident (Green Card Holder). Children born to a person under any other visa (temporary - H1B/L1, etc.) category and those illegally residing in the U.S. should NOT be granted automatic Citizenship by Birth. England did the same in 1983.Post this on the door of every member of Congress in your state and all concerned voters in the community.
25:16 I don’t know the why, but I have to say that the Democrat base definitely does not want an “open border”; this second guest, Judd, doesn’t sound like an expert by making such a ridiculous claim. From what I’ve read, the progressive immigration policy wonks - many of them from the Sanders camp - have ideals with woefully unintended consequences… but also, there are lots of states that need low skill workers, especially when the economy is growing as it has been since the pandemic
A strong economy, shutting down the illegal immigrants and child trafficking at the border. Not funding other countries to fight wars like Ukraine and Israel. Spending money on Americans bringing jobs to Americans. I can go on and on and I can't wait
@ ilegal immigrantion has been happening for the longest the biggest issue now is that the asylum seekers now they can’t get deported back . Trump is making it seems like is Mexico but meanwhile is Haiti and Venezuela and some African countries
@@MrMlbfan6 You think Trump is going to fix it? Didn't Trump have 4 years from 2016-2020? Why didn't he fix immigration/asylum law? You know Trump hired HUNDREDS of migrants to work at Mar-a-lago? Every year Trump applies for migrant visa's to hire workers without permanent immigration status because "it costs too much" to hire non-migrant labor. Even Ann Coulter called Trump out for not being against Mass migration.
Stop campaigning for the party, the majority didn’t vote for. You have absolutely no one to blame, but yourself. You did nothing the past four years. We hear you, we just don’t care.
As a resident of the borderlands along the Mexican border in the mountains of the Sonoran Desert, the situation here is insane in the extreme. Those of living here and the Border Patrol are the meat in this sandwich. The unwillingness of the Congress to institute a cogent immigration AND border policy so as to use scapegoating as a political whip has resulted in continuing deaths along our border; an unprecedented number of migrants swarming the border; the proliferation of vigilante militia violence in a miasma of fear-based hate against migrants. Our current situation is imbecilic and absurd in the extreme. The bill that Trump harpooned would have begun to institute the controls needed. What had been primarily Mexican and Central American migrants has now become a potpourri of Asians (primarily Chinese and Indians), South Africans and others who cross the line, sit down and await arrest to claim asylum. The libertarian last interviewed and the man preceding him presented the most cogent descriptions of the situation I have heard. Sadly, with the election of Trump whose modus is fear-mongering and to feed nativist paranoia, the pending wholesale deportations are an economic disaster waiting to happen. Until rational players in the Congress establish proper reforms and funding for addition of asylum judges to close the time gap on adjudicating asylum cases; for detention and deportation of those not qualifying; and for institution of reasonable legal means of migration reform making legal immigration available, we will have nothing but greater human tragedies along the border.
The current border is too far north, and should be moved to the Panama Canal. Any wall or other physical barrier can be overcome. Minefields and active interlacing fields of fire via machine guns nests and mortar pits should supplement physical barriers. My family has hosted foreign nationals, and I have assisted with the citizenship process. The last 3.5 years of failed policy and handouts are NOT the way forward.
Fantastic explanation, Thank you! I hear that it's such a complex issue and I'm sure resolving the root issues and such are but as for the US border/asylum issue, it seems fairly sensicle
Instead of deporting the ones who've already made it in, just issue them "suspended" deportations that will be enforced upon failing to abide by specified behavioural conditions. Also consider paying them to get out, as it would still be a massive saving compared to continual subsidies.
People who did not like high prices are forgetting that it was the corporate greed that raised prices for profit. Undocumented people work in farms and if these people are deported, food prices will go up. These undocumented people paid 97 billion in taxes in 2022 via ITN number where taxes are deducted by employer, money that went to top up Social Security and Medicare despite they themselves are not eligible for Social Security.
You mean he doesn't support an ex-president billionaire, supported by the richest man in the world (who also happens to be one of the pentagon's largest defense contractors)- who pretend they AREN'T 'insiders' or 'the elite'? Welcome to the Oligarchic Idiocrasy 2024! Orwell was 40 years off but man. We got there at last!
Why don't they let those who have been here working and paying taxes stay and get legalized? One requirement is that they learn the language and be educated on American history and civics to understand how to live in this country and follow the state and federal laws. If the US doesn't let migrants in, our financial problem will only get worse. They will vote for both parties based on what is best for their family. Get this behind us, and we can finally get serious about the cartel problem.
Good luck with that. You got illegals been here 30 fkn yrs CAN'T speak English and not even TRYING to become legal. As a combat veteran this entire thing pisses me tf off. The entire BIDEN administration is TREASONOUS for ALLOWING this ALL OUT INVASION on AMERICA soil. WE CAN'T take on the ENTIRE 3RD WORLD POVERTY problem or care MORE about THEIR children safety than OUR OWN. Until it's not ONE HOMELESS VETERAN, Hungary ELDERLY persons that CAN'T AFFORD THEIR medications, CHILDREN HOMELESS Or in POVERTY, then it shouldn't be not ONE "ECONOMIC LOCUST" FLOODING OUR borders ILLEGALLY. PERIOD. EVERY DOLLAR spent on an ILLEGAL NO MATTER the reason is a TREASONOUS dollar that could have HELP a VET or OUR Hungary or OUR CHILDREN, OUR WORKING POOR. I don't mind feeding ANYONE but I'd HAVE to be a LUNATIC to feed YOUR children BEFORE MINE. LITERALLY makes no sense.
Because thats not how the law works and when we start giving exceptions to criminals we teach our own people that the laws mean nothing. I dont give 2 fcks if they lived heree for 4 years and pay taxes, they need to pack it up and head back to the mexican side of the border and apply for citizenship the legal way. Americans born on america with american parents is the only people we should be caring for first and foremost. The average illegal immigrant is a MASSIVE strain and cost on our economy, and they take the jobs and houses real americans could be taking (they accept lower wages and rent out houses with 5+ people living in them) and benifiting from. There is no moral world, where you prioratize non-americans over americans, and your morality is corrupted if you think otherwise.
Asking people whose first interaction with our laws was to break them, to obey our laws now, is laughable. And it's not even just their illegal entry into the country, but also all their years of working illegally, whether or not they paid taxes on their income.
Most don’t pay no taxes. They really think they want the government to track them. They all make un taxed money and drop babies to obtain free money. I see it all the time on documents
@@einnAnnie By no means is this a good deal, but we have to find a practical solution that will work out and get from there. Only some people talk about how we fix the broken system; both parties have used it to gain ground in elections and other gains, such as cheap labor. Now, we must somehow manage mass deportations at great expense, or better yet, we have to admit that we are the reason it is such a mess, which is due to the public's lack of interest until an election year. Our own proverbial kicking the can down the road has run out of road, so now we must have a complete reform and a serious effort to fix this problem, not to make a knee-jerk reaction to kick everyone out but instead, look at what is achievable. Less pointing fingers and more cooperating. Biden's white house was not alone in making things worse. He was just the one who lost and was left standing without a chair when the music stopped.
Mr Bensman: I do immigration all day every day as well. It is also my job. And sir, you are wrong. You are are also one of those people who fails to understand immigration policy. People are not being "admitted" at the border. A person of your education and experience should now better than to say such a thing. See 8 USC §1101 13A which defines admission- it requires a lawful entry. Therefore, CBP is not "accepting and admitting eveyone" like you allege at min 6 to report to ICE later. The word 'admission" requires a lawful entry sunject to inspection. Border patrol serves Notices to Appear in Immigration Court for those who entered to appear and answer to charges of unlawful entry. Words matter. You are a journalist. Use them correctly. The point of this rant is to demonstrate that no one, no matter how much of an expert the individual purports to be - knows what they are talking about with regard to immigration, particularly when, as here, the speaker provides a lot general descriptions and personal anecdotes. It is just not the case that everyone who gets here gets in. Go do some interviews in detention.
A ton of people are able to get in falsely claiming asylum when they are here for economic reasons. If we open our doors to the entire world, the country will be destroyed.
Just as immigrants we don't expect are admitted once on British soil and told to wait a few years while a decision is made about them. If they can be located.
honestly, idc if he was biased or not, but it would have been a lot more believable if he had literally any evidence lol. he even admits he didn't speak to any of the chinese migrants.
Because one side understand that the current policies create "fundamentally" an open border, not defintionally. The other side pretends that because it isn't "definitionally" an open border that it must also not be fundamentally one too. The games we play...
Fix the asylum policies as well. We need a unified immigration policy. If democrats are going to break the Trump policy and changes, then what is the point?
A law can't be quashed by executive order. If republicans pass a law, then it will be hard for new government to quash it. President Trump issued many directives through executive order like other presidents. Signing law requires bringing something which acceptable to majority. This time President Trump came with strong legislative support so I think things may be different this time. Let's see.
Yeah the first guy was a bit too Bias, he kept using quotes from the Trump campaign. “Social Experiment” but Shane mentioning Alice Island easily made his argument shaky.
You mean Ellis Island? Which didn't make his argument shaky if you have any understanding of American History. The United States has a history of anti-immigration sentiment, which after years of mass migration through Ellis Island, led to the Immigration Act of 1924. It heavily restricted immigration even from Europe, and established quotas that limited the amount of people who could immigrate to the US legally. I am not endorsing these policies, but I am merely stating a fact. Electing Donald Trump for anti-migration policies is nothing more than Americans continuing the cycle of our own history.
Agreed, once Shane mentioned Ellis Island, this guy quickly changed the subject. The point is the US always has been a country of immigrants. The problem is the voting base of the Republican party would not allow common sense immigration reform and prefers to elect a clown that makes ridiculous promises such as " I will deport 10 million immigrants" . We all know how this is going to go down. They're going to do a couple of raids and show the video clips on Fox News to appease the masses, and there will continue to be millions of undocumented immigrants doing the jobs that Americans do not want to do themselves.
Socialism is a plague on the human species, thats for certain. You wanna know why Africa, despite having so many people and so much resources to utilize, is the poorest continent in the world (where countries exist)? Its because of socialism. Over regulated, super sized governments that destroy the ability for entrepreneurs to even exist, to fire bad workers and hire good ones, and to spend billions of more dollars on garbage that provides no benifit to their people. Socialism is a plague that destroys every sector of society from agriculture, to construction, to education. It is a tool primarily utilized to clog the government up and breed the seed of communism, where atrocities truly happen. The worst invention before the nuclear bomb.
That is such a complicated answer. It depends. If you want your family member to immigrate : it depends on your relationship. So, if you are a citizen and you want to bring your mom, it is about 18ish months from start to finish. But your brother? That's close to 25 years. Work visas depend on any factors, not just what type of job.And work visas don't contemplate permanent immigration. They are to come here and work for a time,but some offer paths to permanent immigration. There are some work visas that are pretty quick to get - just a few months - but others take years. It's a cluster that needs an extreme makeover.
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Hello, how do you achieve such biweekly returns? As a single parent i haven't been able to get my own house due to financial struggles, but my faith in God remains strong.
Economic motivation is a legitimate reason for being a refugee. If I were unable to meet my family's basic needs by working my tail off in my home country, you can bet your sweet butt I'd leave. I wouldn't wait 10 years for a work visa either. The US foreign policy for years has allowed corporations to exploit those countries for the past 150 years, destroying both the environment and the economy. The US tried to pull off a sort of "soft colonization" of Central America and South America. Those people live in places where the US facilitated repressive governments, financed coups, stripped the land of minerals and metals, and bailed out when the country's resources are tapped out. We bought the ticket, now its time for the US to ride the ride.
Yup. Nick's argument about the countries we invaded in the middle east should also apply to any country where the CIA has undermined democracy and human rights. Also I think the sanctions on Cuba and Venezuela not only needlessly hurt civilians, they do nothing to advance US interests. Lift the sanctions so when the regimes continue to fail and no longer be able to point the finger at America, opposition can foment internally. Blaming the US for their problems is the only thing these governments point to for legitimacy. Lets take that away from them and then see where the chips land.
We should be spending money on our taxpayers. Period. Full stop. Children are getting raped and you are just sitting here saying "yeah let's ride the ride". You people have issues
@NJRB23 We do spend our money on taxpayers. Even those who are here without proper documentation are taxpayers. They pay sales tax at our stores and payroll tax from their paychecks. They pay tolls for driving on highways and gas tax on the fuel they buy for their cars. They pay motor vehicle taxes on license plates for the trucks they drive to do the hard work that white people won't. Children are raped every day by people who are native born citizens at much higher rates than the same crime committed by immigrants. The problem is that a simple majority of US voters, who are all US citizens, are either racists and bigots or are ok with those who are. We as a nation are not as good a people as we thought we were. We as a nation are ok hurting someone else, as long as it's not someone we know. We, as a people, chose to put our own interests and comfort ahead of the basic needs of others. That is far from the message of any organized faith or moral code. Being so selfish and greedy that we are willing to believe lies and stereotypes about hard-working people in our country is more than just racist and bigoted. It is un-American. But it is who "we" are as a people. Those taxes paid by undocumented immigrants pay for services and programs that they will never use because they are not eligible as non-citizens. The brown people you are so upset about not only do5 the work that white people won't, they pay for services white people use. Essentially, they are bankrolling this country and getting nothing out of the deal other than low wages and hate from others. Nope, this is who "we" are as a country. This election is hopefully our "rock bottom." Hundreds of thousands of police officers chose to vote for a convicted felon instead of an accomplished prosecutor. That's about as rock bottom as it gets. Millions of people said that women who have been raped have less value. Our country elected a male serial sexual predator over a female prosecutor. Make that make sense! I'll wait. Go look in the mirror. Are DJT's policies reflective of who YOU are, what YOU believe is right? I hope we as a nation get our cheap gas and affordable groceries. I hope we as a country enjoy them, and can stomach that each bite we take harmed others in the process. Our country elected the leader it deserves right now. We deserve Trump, and the bare ugliness he and his crew of perverts, sycophants, enablers, and thieves.
@NJRB23 undocumented migrants pay approximately $96 billion in taxes yearly (source: IRS.gov) for which they receive virtually no benefits. That doesn't include state income taxes, local taxes, sales tax, etc. This is tax revenue that would need to be collected from others. What is your suggestion? Should we tax the working class more? Perhaps the upper-middle class, the top 1% of earners? Perhaps corporations should pay their fair share. It might be worth discussing this with Dear Leader before we go forward with any kind of immigration policy. The problem is that Mango Mussolini's math isn't mathing. Much like his concepts of a healthcare plan, his concepts of a plan regarding economic and immigration policies are not actually possible. He cannot imagine the idea that we live in a world economy. Its one of the major problems with electing an 80 y/o man who has a limited and uninformed view of the world to be president.
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Illegal immigration could be stopped overnight if the United States government really wanted to.
Go after and punish the companies that hire them. Its that simple.
@@MrCross-hh2wg Mitt Romney's "self deportation" model, which sounded so absurd when you just heard those two words. But instead, let's punish the illegal immigrants for following our defacto policy.
Those companies fund the politicians. Why would they?
@@SamMcKinley That's my point. They don't want to stop it.
Is there some country where white Americans can immigrate to, and get a free house and UBI? If not then that's recist. I vote Trump because I am green with envy. If I'm not getting UBI, then no one should get it...
Okay bro. And what will you do after all these agricultural companies get demolished by your idea? What will happen to the prices of goods? Hmmmm
I'm all for a very tough but fair immigration policy. Stop illegal immigration, end catch an release, Put back the remain in Mexico policy, deport all new arrivals within the last 3 yrs. . Have a new immigration law that allows those here for more than 10yrs, have broken no laws, Work hard and are not on government assistance programs to create a path towards citizenship. Seems fair to me.
Five years that would cover the Biden Administration
You were right about what you said up until the end. No pathway to citizenship for anyone whose first act in a foreign country was to break the law.
‘Lopez’
Hmm I wonder why
I am from Nepal and I fully support on policy to block entirely for illigal immigrant not only for US but for every nation
No one is illegal on this EARTH GOD made humans to go and multiply All over the world no boarders to Support their system to make money and supports humans for their benefits
Thank you for this content Vice 👌🏾
They are not in danger in Mexico. They can go home.
Oh really? How about you go down there then? Tell us how it's like?
@@APerls@APerls, I do not understand. Are you suggesting someone who will become an EX-patriot and a foreigner in a country they do not have any connection vs. Native Mexicans going home? This is an interesting pushback.
@@JerzCe73 What does this have to do with mexico being safe or not?
@APerls I've been there and ate the tacos 🌮 and did not get sick. I even drank a cola with local made ice cubes. It's safe and there is no excuse for coming to the USA illegally.
@@APerls they created the problem down there, they can go back and fix their problem
They need to track the money to these NGO’S.
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You'll see the holy C helped a lot too
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Whoa....whoa....whoa.... that's anti-semetic. 👀
@@Natsoc1488cause your broke right?
GREAT INTERVIEWS- THANKS FOR SHARING
A lot of these immigrants cannot stand Americans. They think we have money handed to us just because we’re Americans. I’m sick and tired of losing jobs and I’m very qualified for just to have somebody else come along who’s not qualified get hired. I can’t believe that nobody’s doing anything about it either. I’ve sat and watched all of this go down the past several years. I’ve been really depressed over it. It seems like it just keeps getting worse, not better.
Trump will do something about it.
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As long as you don't get money out of politics, the situation is going to keep getting worse. Trump isn't going to change that either.
Because at the end of the day, instead of foreigners being near you, being given your job, it will be foreigners in their own home nations getting your jobs given to them on-site.
Let me get this straight...you fearlessly commit a crime, then get frightened when the consequences are on you and people are supposed to be compassionate???
You paint a very inhumane picture… how about this, your economic situation in your country is so dire that you struggle to feed your children but you hear of a place where the streets are paved of gold. So you make the heat wrenching decision to leave your family, friends and everything you know behind to pursue the POSSIBILITY (not even a guarantee) of a better life for you and your family. So you risk your life to come through illegally (people die at the border all the time) and make it through. Now you take low paying labor intensive jobs to make money to send back home to support your family who all think you’re living the dream but in actuality you’re living in a one room rental working 10 hrs per day and also live with the fear that at any moment you could get caught by immigration and sent back home. The fear doesn’t even come from you not being able to live here anymore, the fear comes from you no longer being able to provide your family the better life style they’re living back home if you were to get deported. This my friend is when people lack empathy it’s because some politician has gotten you to view immigrants as not being real people. Because tell me if you were lucky enough to have been born in some other country you wouldn’t have done the SAME EXACT thing for your kids or family. None of this is to say that it justifies an illegal act but let’s not be hypocrites in the process
@xchapix no disrespect but I'm not reading all that . The first sentence is enough...do the same thing every black person in America has had to do because we've never had anywhere else to run and become parasites. As we say in the hood "get it out the mud" .
@@xchapixthat’s not how any of this works. They have to stop at the first safe country they come to. They choose not to do that. And financial asylum is not a legal reason to get asylum.
@@xchapix Well you can apply to come in legally. When they come from South and Central America, they could have applied for asylum in Mexico.
@xchapix all that can be avoided by coming here legally.
Shane failed to understand the census point, in which States gain representation in Congress based on population (legal or illegal).
First, there’s not enough illegal immigrants completing a census form every ten years to vastly change congressional districts, that argument in theory is true, but it’s not reality. Second, if we accept the hypothetical that immigrants greatly change the political landscape, the census is done every 10 years, it’s not like it’s an annual task. Finally, republicans change congressional maps through their gerrymandering efforts for every election cycle, that is a FACT vs their 10-year hypothetical census count!
I think of that as an interesting point and rational point of view. But why is Texas bussing them to NY or other 'blue' states? Are they complicit on this? I certainly can't be just because the cities are sanctuary cities because then that would protect them more from immigration enforcement.
@@wednesdar452 first, how many illegal immigrants are filling out the census, that’s hysterical! Second, it’s counted every 10 years. But I’m sure there’s a study on how much the census has affected congressional districts in the last 50 years compared to the number of migrants entering the country.
A lot of these immigrants go to red states. They benefit from the logical leap you are trying to make here
We have people living as fugitives for decades. Who turned themselves in just to enjoy healthcare paid by the government.
VICE is one guy now. They might have one employee.
Vice went bankrupt lol
No surprise as to why…
GOOD. Easier to fix what happened to it.
That one guy happens to be OG Shane Smith, the creator of Vice. Not just a guy fyi.
Unpaid interns 😂😂😂
Interesting how the right still lied. We've had the same Border policy since 1952. Biden didn't open the Border tRump was only allowed to use remain in Mexico because of Covid. The Supreme Court changed it which happens to be a Republican majority after Covid was under control. And they didn't talk about the Langford bill written by a Republican. And tRump stopped it from being passed.
Outstanding, bringing in a selection of experts on a heated topic . Thank you VICE NEWS, always on point.
More like "Vice news! Trying to stay relevant"
@@pukelius4128 more like 'Shane Smith- the only one who gets paid at Vice! Now in working outfit with working dialogue!!'
@@pukelius4128...by covering the news? 🧐
Great interviews, very informative
Let's be honest. Is a criminal going to admit they are crossing to border to commit crimes? What a joke.
Let's be even more honest that there's way more American citizens as criminals.
Most crossing over from Mexico just want to work to support their family & it's cheap labor that's been taken advantage of
Even djt has plenty of migrants in servitude @ MaraLardo
@@JAdE143-ooo What a terrible argument. Of course there are more American citizens that commit crimes; there are way more Americans than there are illegal immigrants.
@@JAdE143-oooDo you know how dumb that sounds? Of course there's going to be more American citizens committing crime. Look at the ratio of American citizens verses illegal aliens. Illegals still commit a lot of crime!
If you look at the crime statistics, these immigrants are committing far fewer crimes than the regular Americans.
Yeah, it's the same out here in the free world, most of the crime is done by the natives still and consistently.
I understand at the start of Scarface they allude to Cuba opening up their prisons to send their worst criminals to the US, but that's a movie set in the 20th Century?
We don't really make policy based on imaginary scenarios, like these unquantified criminals of yours that they frightened you into voting for one side because you obviously don't understand about immigration policy to have such a simplistic view on it not actually based on reality, right.
Wow! Vice is still up! Nice!
One thing that wasnt explained well is: by adding to census numbers, and in turn, adding congressional districts, the number of electoral votes increase.
I wish that Brandon Judd had seen that Shane didn't really understand that a state using illegal immigration to add districts (and, thus, increase its number of House seats) has nothing to do with unlawful voting by aliens so that Shane could question the second guest about it.
@einnAnnie Although, I don't believe that adding congressional districts based on population growth is the driving force behind allowing anyone to enter the country illegally, it would be extremely advantagous to the Democratic party. Most elections over the past few decades have come down to very few electoral votes. I think the primary reason for this policy was to do the same thing that Trump did when he took office. To undo all of the major policy changes that Trump had campaigned on. Trump immediately tried to negate all of the progress Obama made during his tenure. If you want to see what a sudden uncontrollable population increase does to a country, you only have to look North to Canada and what effect it has had on the cost of housing, and the cost of living for all of its citizens.
How did he obtain citizenship without understanding this? I thought that was very basic civics knowledge
And let’s say we grant all of these illegal immigrants citizenship as the democrats want to do, if your the party that’s been advocating on your behalf to become citizens and they’ve been in control of where to send them around the country, it’s not hard to see how drastically that would change outcomes of elections, in a country that’s fairly evenly split especially the national vote for presidential elections, this almost guarantees a democrat president every year, throw in these congressional districts being added, it’s an artificial makeover to the voter base, and political power shifted solely towards democrats
@@ModemMage I think you might be very surprised at the barriers to entry. Also, natural citizens don't know this. I would venture to say most Americans don't know this. Most Americans believe whatever they are told on tv and the Internet without researching facts and coming to an educated conclusion on any subjects, not just politics.
One need not understand all the complexities of policy to understand that our border is not secure and that we're already having problems from this massive influx.
We got the best army ever assembled, but can’t stop an unarmed illegal immigrant with a middle school education from entering our southern border unlawfully is astounding!
So you think that martial law is the answer. Interesting.
@@AshMorganComedy I think enforcing the current law that has been ignored for 4 years is the solution. Illegally entering the country... is illegal.
@@DragnEYEignored for 4 years? You mean decades. Ignored for decades. There are very wealthy people that profit immensely by hiring undocumented workers, workers who pay taxes.
Our military is not allowed to protect our borders. I dont understand why we need so many soldiers and tanks if they’re not used along the border against the drug and human trafficking cartels who are well armed
@@AshMorganComedy martial law is not needed here.. martial law is mobilisation for war.. we can just allow our military to protect our borders as Polish military does in Poland.. they are using real bullets and electric wall.. that’s why Poland is so safe for the CITIZENS of Poland who Polish government is representing… if you want to collect all the criminals around the world please accommodate them in your home! Charity should be voluntarily, NOT enforced! I am NOT participating in this insane charity any more! Same as the MAJORITY of the Americans who voted for TRUMP! ❤🇺🇸
Most conservatives or Republicans are not opposed to all immigration. Just want legal immigration based on carefully thought out needs and what's best for Americans. We might be open to some kind of amnesty for those who have been here, but not if it is going to incentivize continued illegal immigration. The idea that every 10 or 20 years you can get amnestiated in seems enough of an incentive to keep people coming in illegally.
Absolutely perfect! Very well put!
the fact youre even suggesting the idea of amnesty is ridiculous.
Shane Smith is the only reason i watched VICE in the first place. Im actually watchign VICE again here and there because he seems to be doing a more active role and making interesting content again. Its not just about sex life in Japan.
Did Vice just grow a pair? This was actually a non-biased report.
The denial of immigrant vote buying is funny because there was every mention of how long it takes to get immigrant voting status, and no mention of the push for illegal immigrant illegal voting rights.
Let’s see, just started watching, my expectations are not high.
What about that right wing nut Gavin McGinnis? Isn't he worth watching?
Dang people are mad in this comments section even though the video is about "Trump's immigration policy"
The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong…
Thanks for your anonymous social media Internet comment
Part of it, i thought to myself if i were mexico how would i feel about the things going on?
Well, id hold resentment for the way the us treats us and my people.
our government doesn't care about those people and they know it.
Why would anyone wana play one sided ball?
Let us dare not talk about the corruption, on both sides.
Let's not talk too much...
you know nobody likes a know-it-all!
When will people understand that the criminally minded will never play the ball us "good people" want to play.
Rephrasing Dunning-Kruger doesn't make you sound insightful.
@Zt3v3 let him cook! 😂😂 Or not 😂
That’s exactly how I feel after watching this
Shane is the greatest ❤
I have to be honest that I learned many specifics that politicians will not openly discuss, and it has informed how I view the issue. The one thing that never changes in our country, however: at the end of the day, it's all just a power play from the ruling class with a lot of collateral damage. We as voters need to actually inform ourselves and also demand transparency and accountability from our representatives. Until we hold ourselves accountable to this standard, the cycle will just continue.
Yes, significantly when your low-income district in the Bronx is slashing school and town budgets to make room for migrants to stay in schools, airports, etc. Also, it isn't Congress's fault because the liberal policies always have hidden caveats, like letting in 5,000 migrants or sending millions to Ukraine. All politicians are clowns, but these liberals have lied about the COVID lab leak and the border costing thousands of deaths.
Thanks to the Internet there is much we can learn even without transparency and I would highly recommend that you fact check what this person has claimed.
For instance Google how many immigrants were in the US for other years in the past.😊
This is a very informative and clearly articulated discussion about the differing sides and points of view about this issue. And I agree, that it's a political football used to manipulate us more than anything. The people wouldn't be coming if the powers that be, whenever and whoever they be, did not want them here. And though I don't personally find anyone coming here to be an issue - increasing my understanding of why it is a several decades long political debate designed to cloud recognition of the more damaging issues - of which immigration is just a movable part of what is used to fortify the interests and entitlements of the nobles.
what a nothing burger of a statement.
explain why no ID is required in blue states if it’s a plot ?
Because the system worked before and still works. Like the statistics on the chances someone was able to vote without registration in the presidential election was literally in three digits, which is extremely small when about 150+ million people voted. Trump created mistrust in the voting system so he can win, which is why Trump claimed voter fraud in 2016, 2020, and 2024. Despite him winning in 2016 and 2024.
@allenliu8820 There's definitely weird things that make it easier to believe that there might be fraud that they should address if they don't want people to take voter fraud claims seriously.
Most states count their votes completely by a few hours after the polls close. But then the swing states are counting all night and morning. And California and Alaska take a week.
Then there's computerized voting machines, which take longer to count, have errors every election, and don't leave paper records.
Then there's a few states that always have a massive jump in votes for democrats at 3am from mail in ballots. It happened in 2024, too, in Wisconsin and New Mexico, just not enough for Trump to lose. In 2020, they explained it as democrats using mail in ballots more than Republicans, but in this election, mail in ballots were split evenly. But there was still that 3am spike for democrats.
Also, Democrats used to claim election fraud when they lost, too. They complained about voting machines in 2000.
If there's an explanation, why deflect from answering?
@@allenliu8820wait a second. So in this country everyone, unless you live under a fucking rock, can see that it’s all a grift. Corruption is behind every single door, a scam around every corner. But you think voting and elections are on the level?!?! Let me ask you something, Do you think all election, both federal and state, are free of any type of corruption?!? Ill wait here for your answer
Every comment I see by a republican I can tell why Trump won. Zero critical thinking skills. Zero research done. "California does not require voters to present PHOTO identification. However, some voters may be asked to show a form of identification when voting if they are voting for the first time after registering to vote by mail and did not provide a driver license number, California identification number, or the last four digits of their social security number." THIS IS THE MOST LIBERAL STATE. YOU STILL NEED IDENTIFYING INFO. There are single digit illegal aliens voting, if at all. It's not a large number at all. You've just convinced yourself it's a problem because a snake oil salesman who probably has a lower iq than you told you it was true.
How do you know the system worked before? You have no idea, you're just making statements.
Amazing video. An honest open dialogue on this topic helps clear the air.
An open dialogue - but it's a soft interview. No pushback. No reference to data.
As an immigrant, I'm wondering what this gentleman is smoking saying "the only way to come in is to go to the border and seek asylum". I came here for school, then worked, then got green card, like 100s of thousands of people every year. And I don't even hate my home country at all or had any issue back home so that I had to seek asylum. It's incredibly dishonest to frame it so dramatically, ignoring 100s of thousands of people getting in legitimately every year.
To me the experience was simple: It's just that I got to do what I needed to do, and I contributed to the American society and I was given a chance after stated my reasons, rightfully so. I didn't even have to get my green card through marriage with my American spouse. If you have legitimate reasons to be here, aka you are a prospect of becoming a contributing member of this society, you have more than enough ways to get in. However we design this process with empathy and intelligence, it should probably be a bit harder than just turning up at the border.
I’ve always have enjoyed VICE NEWS. Thank you Shane for continuing your work.
That whole administration deserve jail time!
Which one?
Vote in midterms
I agree a lot of people in the Biden administration should see jail time ;)
@@einnAnnie The one that has an ex-president billionaire, supported by the richest man in the world (who also happens to be one of the pentagon's largest defense contractors)- who pretends they AREN'T 'insiders' or 'the elites'.
Voter ID is NECESSARY!
And asking for citizenship status on census to limit effect on electoral votes and congressional districts
No it isn't. But if you really insist, then we need a free national ID card that's issued to all 330 million of us with minimal effort required on the individual's part. The fact that you fascist window-lickers bristle at that idea is proof that you just want to disenfranchise the demographic groups who are less likely to have a driver's license.
You’re right. It currently is necessary to have a voter ID to vote in all states.
Great video
Catch and release was popular in the 80s because we didn't nor still do, have enough court processing power to process the amount of people. They aren't catching them and then just saying have a good day. They are processed then given a court date to appear at.
🎯. Facts.
Which currently has a 7 year waiting period to get an initial court date.
And they just don't show up
@@honieebean That wasn’t the point.
@honieebean they show up most of the time
Why is everyone obsessed with growth?
Is vice actually doing journalism again??
With a bit of bias still but better than before
@@juanluistennis1 The need to bring Gavin McGinnis back.
Not really. The first dude they spoke to said trump fixed immigration when he was in office. That's patently false.
@@drmodestoesqThat would be incredible.
Ice is back! Mr Homan gots a plan!
Shane broke all kinds of news here that should of spread more
Why would they think they could come here and take our jobs with no repercussions from us and speak their language and then Joe ignores the fact American people have their own culture and if that’s messed up there’s gonna be big trouble
How this guy says MAGA says something…
It's not just about controlled. In orderly status, it's also about fairness. Those who have been waiting in line for years should be at the front of the line. Those who have applied even if they're still in their own countries, they should be ahead of the illegal immigrants
"who wouldn't want to move to the USA?"
me. I don't.
I might visit, but not for a moment have i thought the US seemed like a good place to live compared to Norway.
@@norwegianboyee at this point, I WISH I COULD LEAVE!!!! Unfortunately, I’m AM 70, POOR & PHYSICALLY DISABLED DUE TO YEARS OF DEALING WITH PAIN CAUSED BY THOSE INJURIES. SO I’M STUCK HERE!!!!
Way too dangerous & weird
My thoughts 💯
@jryland6 I don't know your situation but if you've checked out assets to sell discreetly and if you collect you disability check straight in your bank account I'd consider cheaper European countries on the coasts a few months of the year if possible. I don't know your situation though but in winter in Spain in the Costa del sol you can rent in a place called torremelinos you can rent a small furnished apartment for €600 per month. It's full of English speaking retirees. Take care.
People can always come to America, but they need to do it the right way. What would happen if I was to just illegally cross into Canada for example would they just let me stay?
americans have a right to say "no".
its our country, and if you call that racist I'll say "yes Im a racist", because its better then standards being removed for our culture.
Then why not approve the border bill that Trump said to reject? That would have helped.
Agree
@@hyena280 I trust Trump over Democrats.
What standards are being removed? Pigment?
How are "standards removed" when less than 1%of the population is immigrants?
On this subject, what makes you think that people are listening to things that are not true when we can see it for ourselves I work a full-time job and needed help for utilities. I qualify for it, but they denied me because they said it it’s based on necessity meaning the people most in need which people don’t have jobs that are welfare come first and I know for sure that our system is getting overwhelmed by illegals because I work at a Hispanic grocery store and I am Hispanic, so people in my neighborhood in my workplace I go based on what I see and I see what people pay with mostly EBT card. They don’t know the language coworkers that I have. Don’t have any children yet they get government assistance so I’m haven’t been here that long and theycould already vote already yet. I don’t qualify for any help because they say I make too much and I only make $18 an hour so whatever the audience wants to assume and everything just go by based on what you see if you go to the financial aid office, you could get a package, which tells you it doesn’t matter if you don’t have no legal documents you still qualify for assistance and I think it’s affecting my neighborhood because we never gonna upgrade the things we have here because the people that come here they’re coming from poverty this is the upgrade
Shane Smith the Canadian
@@natural_cycle he’s also an American citizen
America is the biggest entertainment hub in the world. Vice could of still been big if it just remained in Canada. America offers way more opportunities for Capital investment.
@@WithoutRemorse12 Smith got literally billions from suckers in the American investment community.
Bs don't believe them
I see this as more of a corporation, large business(if that exist), to small business problem.
They benefit the most from immigration to illegal immigration. The states, and the fed benefit as well, from undocumented worker taxes as well as sales tax.
The party fight help shield the corporations, businesses that benefit most from all forms of immigration.
Exactly 💯!
That is exactly why you see them funding both sides...CYA
this is the number one reason why many democrats voted trump as well
Keep telling yourself that.
ok and they didn't want a qualified woman. they wanted .......
Because of irrational fear? Yeah, we knew that.
I'm one of them. Enough is enough.
@@MyCamilla1989 Bot.
They keep skipping out illegal immigration 😅
It's good to Shane back
Shane back good see to.
Vice are getting better again
This guy is showing his bias. As soon as Shane talked about his journey to citizenship, he changed his tune.
We all have bias, Shane is an immigrant after all.
@@RioDuek sure we do, but thus “expert” should be stating facts, not speaking to persuade opinion. Shane’s journey is typical of someone entering through the northern border, if we were serious about migrants entering legally, we’d secure both borders exactly the same, but it’s more about who these ppl,are and where they come from than anything else. Americans will be sorry when they’re paying $10 for a bunch of bananas or oranges or a gallon of milk. Migrant workers do all the 💩 jobs that Americans don’t want to do, many within agriculture and food processing!
@@jeanniep1003 He visited the Darien gap. You know, where women and children are getting raped by cartels and where most people who take the journey die. I think he's a field expert for sure. Who are you?
You will always see bias when you literally don't want to understand the difference between legal entry using visas and green cards and illegal entry in between ports of entry claiming "asylum".
@@stefanbucur6472
Everyone has bias, but not everyone misrepresents the facts.
The Left brags about the replacement of native born Americans.
It isn’t a conspiracy theory if it is admitted to, whether or not you like Tucker Carlson.
Gavin made Vice, and Vice died the day he left.
Why does Vibe always has something bad to say about Trump? Maybe we should cancel you!
After Shane's embarrassing appearance on Rogan he needed to do this. He didn't seem to have a clue what was going on at the border. Great guest--this dude definitely knows what's going on.
All imma say is who voted for him?
I did, MAGA
@@CollinMac96 How's your cult going?
@@CollinMac96thanks a lot. It may take you a little longer than average, but you will, straight up the booty like the rest of us now, MAGHOLE.
More than anything, Trump's win along with GOP control of Congress probably says more about how out-of-touch the Democratic party has become. The Dems spent their time pandering to their base and defending unpopular positions on immigration, criminal justice, the economy, etc. instead of trying to win over moderate voters.
Me
Good to see balanced journalism on this issue affecting so many Western countries.
The retired immigration guy was ok until he said the border problem is designed to bring socialism and stuff about California. Thats when he started to sound crack pot
He won the medal of freedom from Obama lol
@@Rommie26 doesn’t mean he’s not a crackpot
He a paid pundit who pretty much has agenda to make money than speak truth.
he right though, it's well document, called the Cloward-Piven strategy, to intentionally overwhelm the welfare system to bring about political crisis and unrest.
It creates more expensive government assistance for non-citizens at the cost to citizens. That's not a crack pot claim.
Respect to Shane
"Don't get comfortable" -Holman
"We've been comfortable since you took the land from us" --Every brown person in the brown person American Continent.
21:00 wait, it's a media spin when you film what will happen? why would the media be criticized for portraying something for happening?
Shane, you could have gone to: Alexander Betts; Madeleine Sumption; Audrey Lumley-Sapanski. Talk to real experts, not over-confident arse-dribbles like Bensman. You're a journalist, do better.
You took the words out of my brain
I was changing my mind a little bit by listening to this guy. Is he reliable?
Excellent point.
I think you’re missing the point. Duh!
Okay, well, there are multiple videos and documentations of it. Also, when children are getting raped, and cartels are profiting.
Shane Smith is the man
They also been in central and south American not with war, but by using all the resources that the country has, then leave the countries, the economy become a mess, people loose their jobs of many years many countries never recover because of the crooked governments. Also I read that when a country gets a good leader that wants what is good for the country one way or the other the USA get rid of them and put a crooked leader that will work with the USA.
Hello, I agree that United States meddling is a prime issue. But this question is something I am continuously seeing. Loose=Lose, I am not a grammar nazi; I use Grammarly, but is this an ESL thing. I know that American English can contradict and have a confusing word structure, but I would like to know. if you answer or not. Thanks for your post.
It's been decades since that was happening.
Wow!!! Is Vice actually doing fair and balanced stories now???
Your guests share a common fallacy, they all make the immigration issue such a complicated problem that it can never be solved, even experts, media and professional politicians cannot solve. The experts, the media and the professional politicians must keep it unsolvable, otherwise they will lose their jobs, so, they abandoned common sense. The Immigration issue is not that complicated. We are not the 13 colonies, we are a nation-state, and when we lose control of the border, we are no longer a nation.
- If the demographics shows our nation is aging, work on incentives to create more babies.
- If we need more farm workers, increase the quota for work permits.
- If we need more engineers, increase the quota for H-1B visas.
- If Americans become too lazy to work, work on education.
- If Americans work force has lost the skill sets for hi tech jobs, work on training programs.
- If Democrats and Republicans use brainwashing techniques to alter our attitude toward immigrants, tell them to stop.
- If our government feeds us with false information, demand the truth.
I am an immigrant waited for 10 years for my green card in my old country so that I can come here legally. I don’t regret for waiting. I love America, America is a great country, perhaps the greatest country, and Americans have big hearts.
Good ideas, where did you emigrate from?
- If Democrats and Republicans use brainwashing techniques to alter our attitude toward immigrants, tell them to stop.
- If our government feeds us with false information, demand the truth.
i got a really big laugh out of these points.
@@fredgarvinMP Hong Kong, back then when it was a British colony.
lol Incentivize to have more babies...There are 8 billion people, are we supposed to just grow exponentially? What about the rest of the species on this planet?
So you waited for 10 years, than it means that one of your family member who had become a citizen of usa applied for you. I don't believe any other work visa, that you had to wait 10 years to come. This provision will probably disappear, because they don't want you to come and then bring all your family 10 years later... Nice job
I thought Vice went bankrupt.
Never in the whole video it was discussed that all those immigrants where processed by private American companies wich each immigrant was charged 5,000 dollars times 10,000,000 immigrants equals to 50,000,000,000 billion dollars all to the pockets of American private companies
@@702PARADISE huh? Share your source
and refrain the press ten miles. from the borders
we don't let the in war zones. this a warzone. keep track of anyone from Europe. and especially foreign immigrants closely watched... longer times t becoming citizenzships
"Think tank" = propaganda mill.
They're not stoppin at countries b4 ours bcuz they're not givin a free ride, they're drivin force is a FREE life!
I grew up in southern California in the late 70s and early 80s ,the estimate back then was a " got away" every ten seconds and then Reagan gave millions of illegals amnesty ,let's see what happens this next four years .
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾... folks always want to skip over the fact that Reagan did that.
I, CERTAINLY, DID NOT VOTE FOR REAGAN!!!!! I VOTED FOR JIMMY CARTER!!!!!! 💙
The thing is immigrants (Latinos) won't even be voting Democrats by the time they can vote. Hell, Hispanics are a big reason Trump is about to become president, so why exactly is there a conservative push to believe Democrats can successfully import future voters? Immigrants largely have conservative values, and by the time they can vote+issues at that time, there's no guarantee they would even vote Democrat.
@@jryland6good for you?
Just do it for the future of the country -- a non-partisan issue. --> will not incentivize illegals to cross the border and baby spit.
Amend `U.S. Citizenship By Birth.` "Citizenship by birth" should be granted only to children born to U.S. citizens and permanent residents. In addition, at least one parent must be a U.S. citizen or a permanent resident (Green Card Holder).
Children born to a person under any other visa (temporary - H1B/L1, etc.) category and those illegally residing in the U.S. should NOT be granted automatic Citizenship by Birth.
England did the same in 1983.Post this on the door of every member of Congress in your state and all concerned voters in the community.
Enlightening.
25:16 I don’t know the why, but I have to say that the Democrat base definitely does not want an “open border”; this second guest, Judd, doesn’t sound like an expert by making such a ridiculous claim. From what I’ve read, the progressive immigration policy wonks - many of them from the Sanders camp - have ideals with woefully unintended consequences… but also, there are lots of states that need low skill workers, especially when the economy is growing as it has been since the pandemic
Naw automation gunna kill low skill jobs
The base doesn't, but the politicians do.
These illegal immigrants have to put their head above the parapet in order to claim benefits.
In the next 5 years yall gonna see the effect of this BS
A strong economy, shutting down the illegal immigrants and child trafficking at the border. Not funding other countries to fight wars like Ukraine and Israel. Spending money on Americans bringing jobs to Americans. I can go on and on and I can't wait
@@MrMlbfan6 of illegal immigration?
@ ilegal immigrantion has been happening for the longest the biggest issue now is that the asylum seekers now they can’t get deported back . Trump is making it seems like is Mexico but meanwhile is Haiti and Venezuela and some African countries
@@MrMlbfan6 You think Trump is going to fix it? Didn't Trump have 4 years from 2016-2020? Why didn't he fix immigration/asylum law? You know Trump hired HUNDREDS of migrants to work at Mar-a-lago? Every year Trump applies for migrant visa's to hire workers without permanent immigration status because "it costs too much" to hire non-migrant labor. Even Ann Coulter called Trump out for not being against Mass migration.
Stop campaigning for the party, the majority didn’t vote for. You have absolutely no one to blame, but yourself. You did nothing the past four years. We hear you, we just don’t care.
Funny one side interview…
As a resident of the borderlands along the Mexican border in the mountains of the Sonoran Desert, the situation here is insane in the extreme. Those of living here and the Border Patrol are the meat in this sandwich. The unwillingness of the Congress to institute a cogent immigration AND border policy so as to use scapegoating as a political whip has resulted in continuing deaths along our border; an unprecedented number of migrants swarming the border; the proliferation of vigilante militia violence in a miasma of fear-based hate against migrants. Our current situation is imbecilic and absurd in the extreme. The bill that Trump harpooned would have begun to institute the controls needed. What had been primarily Mexican and Central American migrants has now become a potpourri of Asians (primarily Chinese and Indians), South Africans and others who cross the line, sit down and await arrest to claim asylum. The libertarian last interviewed and the man preceding him presented the most cogent descriptions of the situation I have heard. Sadly, with the election of Trump whose modus is fear-mongering and to feed nativist paranoia, the pending wholesale deportations are an economic disaster waiting to happen. Until rational players in the Congress establish proper reforms and funding for addition of asylum judges to close the time gap on adjudicating asylum cases; for detention and deportation of those not qualifying; and for institution of reasonable legal means of migration reform making legal immigration available, we will have nothing but greater human tragedies along the border.
The current border is too far north, and should be moved to the Panama Canal. Any wall or other physical barrier can be overcome. Minefields and active interlacing fields of fire via machine guns nests and mortar pits should supplement physical barriers. My family has hosted foreign nationals, and I have assisted with the citizenship process. The last 3.5 years of failed policy and handouts are NOT the way forward.
Bravo very well put 😊
@@upyorkstate5541the failed policy extends further back than 3.5 years.
@@chucktaylor4958 Absolutely!
Fantastic explanation, Thank you! I hear that it's such a complex issue and I'm sure resolving the root issues and such are but as for the US border/asylum issue, it seems fairly sensicle
After watching this, it is not hard to understand why vice is going bankrupt.
Instead of deporting the ones who've already made it in, just issue them "suspended" deportations that will be enforced upon failing to abide by specified behavioural conditions. Also consider paying them to get out, as it would still be a massive saving compared to continual subsidies.
People who did not like high prices are forgetting that it was the corporate greed that raised prices for profit. Undocumented people work in farms and if these people are deported, food prices will go up. These undocumented people paid 97 billion in taxes in 2022 via ITN number where taxes are deducted by employer, money that went to top up Social Security and Medicare despite they themselves are not eligible for Social Security.
No to both. Re the latter, they figured out how to get to the US without US taxpayer assistance. They may work their magic on the trip home.
No. No way.
That is what the UK and other European countries are doing now.
The only President who ever promoted Amnesty was Reagan...
A great guy
And we'll never forgive him for it. Tossed away California.
This guy from VICE is so clearly a Dem supporter.
You mean he doesn't support an ex-president billionaire, supported by the richest man in the world (who also happens to be one of the pentagon's largest defense contractors)- who pretend they AREN'T 'insiders' or 'the elite'?
Welcome to the Oligarchic Idiocrasy 2024! Orwell was 40 years off but man. We got there at last!
Anyone who can get here doesn’t get in. WTH is he talking about?
"Kids in cages" controversy, are you for real?
They are eating the dogs too
You mean the cages that were built under Obama 🤡
@@JoeKyserthey’re eating the cats
Kids in cages "controversy" 🙄
Yep, kids in cages!!!!!!
Why don't they let those who have been here working and paying taxes stay and get legalized? One requirement is that they learn the language and be educated on American history and civics to understand how to live in this country and follow the state and federal laws. If the US doesn't let migrants in, our financial problem will only get worse. They will vote for both parties based on what is best for their family. Get this behind us, and we can finally get serious about the cartel problem.
Good luck with that. You got illegals been here 30 fkn yrs CAN'T speak English and not even TRYING to become legal. As a combat veteran this entire thing pisses me tf off. The entire BIDEN administration is TREASONOUS for ALLOWING this ALL OUT INVASION on AMERICA soil. WE CAN'T take on the ENTIRE 3RD WORLD POVERTY problem or care MORE about THEIR children safety than OUR OWN. Until it's not ONE HOMELESS VETERAN, Hungary ELDERLY persons that CAN'T AFFORD THEIR medications, CHILDREN HOMELESS Or in POVERTY, then it shouldn't be not ONE "ECONOMIC LOCUST" FLOODING OUR borders ILLEGALLY. PERIOD. EVERY DOLLAR spent on an ILLEGAL NO MATTER the reason is a TREASONOUS dollar that could have HELP a VET or OUR Hungary or OUR CHILDREN, OUR WORKING POOR. I don't mind feeding ANYONE but I'd HAVE to be a LUNATIC to feed YOUR children BEFORE MINE. LITERALLY makes no sense.
Because thats not how the law works and when we start giving exceptions to criminals we teach our own people that the laws mean nothing. I dont give 2 fcks if they lived heree for 4 years and pay taxes, they need to pack it up and head back to the mexican side of the border and apply for citizenship the legal way. Americans born on america with american parents is the only people we should be caring for first and foremost. The average illegal immigrant is a MASSIVE strain and cost on our economy, and they take the jobs and houses real americans could be taking (they accept lower wages and rent out houses with 5+ people living in them) and benifiting from. There is no moral world, where you prioratize non-americans over americans, and your morality is corrupted if you think otherwise.
Asking people whose first interaction with our laws was to break them, to obey our laws now, is laughable. And it's not even just their illegal entry into the country, but also all their years of working illegally, whether or not they paid taxes on their income.
Most don’t pay no taxes. They really think they want the government to track them. They all make un taxed money and drop babies to obtain free money. I see it all the time on documents
@@einnAnnie By no means is this a good deal, but we have to find a practical solution that will work out and get from there. Only some people talk about how we fix the broken system; both parties have used it to gain ground in elections and other gains, such as cheap labor. Now, we must somehow manage mass deportations at great expense, or better yet, we have to admit that we are the reason it is such a mess, which is due to the public's lack of interest until an election year. Our own proverbial kicking the can down the road has run out of road, so now we must have a complete reform and a serious effort to fix this problem, not to make a knee-jerk reaction to kick everyone out but instead, look at what is achievable. Less pointing fingers and more cooperating. Biden's white house was not alone in making things worse. He was just the one who lost and was left standing without a chair when the music stopped.
R.I.P. VICE (2001-2007)
Mr Bensman: I do immigration all day every day as well. It is also my job. And sir, you are wrong. You are are also one of those people who fails to understand immigration policy. People are not being "admitted" at the border. A person of your education and experience should now better than to say such a thing. See 8 USC §1101 13A which defines admission- it requires a lawful entry. Therefore, CBP is not "accepting and admitting eveyone" like you allege at min 6 to report to ICE later. The word 'admission" requires a lawful entry sunject to inspection. Border patrol serves Notices to Appear in Immigration Court for those who entered to appear and answer to charges of unlawful entry. Words matter. You are a journalist. Use them correctly. The point of this rant is to demonstrate that no one, no matter how much of an expert the individual purports to be - knows what they are talking about with regard to immigration, particularly when, as here, the speaker provides a lot general descriptions and personal anecdotes. It is just not the case that everyone who gets here gets in. Go do some interviews in detention.
what are the criteria for not getting in and being detained ? what happens with the detainees ?
A ton of people are able to get in falsely claiming asylum when they are here for economic reasons. If we open our doors to the entire world, the country will be destroyed.
Just as immigrants we don't expect are admitted once on British soil and told to wait a few years while a decision is made about them.
If they can be located.
Why was there an app for non citizens to schedule appointments then?
They are admitting everyone who claims "asylum" without any evidence when it's obvious they are here for economic reasons.
Imagine if we didn’t have borders
Jesus.. that first guy wasn’t biased or anything…wtf
honestly, idc if he was biased or not, but it would have been a lot more believable if he had literally any evidence lol. he even admits he didn't speak to any of the chinese migrants.
Second guy was even worse
First guy sounded like a snake oil salesman
@@snowballeffect7812 Okay, well, there are multiple videos and documentations of it. Also, when children are getting raped, and cartels are profiting.
He's right. And he reflects the majority of the people in America currently.
I’m so confused why they hold so different definitions in terms of open border
Because one side understand that the current policies create "fundamentally" an open border, not defintionally. The other side pretends that because it isn't "definitionally" an open border that it must also not be fundamentally one too. The games we play...
@@elliottbradshaw6856 Nailed it.
Fix the asylum policies as well. We need a unified immigration policy. If democrats are going to break the Trump policy and changes, then what is the point?
A law can't be quashed by executive order. If republicans pass a law, then it will be hard for new government to quash it. President Trump issued many directives through executive order like other presidents. Signing law requires bringing something which acceptable to majority. This time President Trump came with strong legislative support so I think things may be different this time. Let's see.
@@rahulat85I hope so!
Hey Vice why don’t you show immigrants from Canada?
Go to downtown LA - they are all there sleeping in the streets
@ don’t tell me what to do
Yeah the first guy was a bit too Bias, he kept using quotes from the Trump campaign. “Social Experiment” but Shane mentioning Alice Island easily made his argument shaky.
You mean Ellis Island? Which didn't make his argument shaky if you have any understanding of American History. The United States has a history of anti-immigration sentiment, which after years of mass migration through Ellis Island, led to the Immigration Act of 1924. It heavily restricted immigration even from Europe, and established quotas that limited the amount of people who could immigrate to the US legally. I am not endorsing these policies, but I am merely stating a fact. Electing Donald Trump for anti-migration policies is nothing more than Americans continuing the cycle of our own history.
He knows a lot more than you do. Been to the Darien Gap etc. You are just babbling about trump
@@DegenAF No, he menat ''Alice in Wonderland''.
Agreed, once Shane mentioned Ellis Island, this guy quickly changed the subject. The point is the US always has been a country of immigrants. The problem is the voting base of the Republican party would not allow common sense immigration reform and prefers to elect a clown that makes ridiculous promises such as " I will deport 10 million immigrants" . We all know how this is going to go down. They're going to do a couple of raids and show the video clips on Fox News to appease the masses, and there will continue to be millions of undocumented immigrants doing the jobs that Americans do not want to do themselves.
Do you mean ELLIS Island...Phew...
Where are you going to detain these people??? How and who will decide if they have a valid asylum claim? Only an immigration judge can determine that.
I'm tired of laws we don't need no damn laws
That 2nd guy has no clue what socialism is lol
yep
Almost nobody in the US knows. It's just a catch-all term for "things i don't like"
@norwegianboyee facts
Socialism is a plague on the human species, thats for certain. You wanna know why Africa, despite having so many people and so much resources to utilize, is the poorest continent in the world (where countries exist)? Its because of socialism. Over regulated, super sized governments that destroy the ability for entrepreneurs to even exist, to fire bad workers and hire good ones, and to spend billions of more dollars on garbage that provides no benifit to their people.
Socialism is a plague that destroys every sector of society from agriculture, to construction, to education. It is a tool primarily utilized to clog the government up and breed the seed of communism, where atrocities truly happen. The worst invention before the nuclear bomb.
How do you come in legally to the United States how long does it take? Could someone explain that?
Usually about 2 years
Depends what country they’re coming from too. Some countries are more “desirable” than others. I’ve known Mexican people waiting 20 years.
And the process costs thousands of dollars.
@ that’s a good thing! You’ve got to really work hard at anything worth having
That is such a complicated answer. It depends. If you want your family member to immigrate : it depends on your relationship. So, if you are a citizen and you want to bring your mom, it is about 18ish months from start to finish. But your brother? That's close to 25 years. Work visas depend on any factors, not just what type of job.And work visas don't contemplate permanent immigration. They are to come here and work for a time,but some offer paths to permanent immigration. There are some work visas that are pretty quick to get - just a few months - but others take years. It's a cluster that needs an extreme makeover.
The set looks kinda goofy..
Nobody cares about the set
America's fall into fascism is nearly complete and the American people love it.
THIS WOMAN ISN’T HAPPY ABOUT IT, AT ALL!!!!! IN FACT, I’M PRETTY D*** ANGRY ABOUT IT!!!!!! THE MAGA CULT DID IT!!!
Capitalism has made it this way, good old fashioned fascism will take it away
If Trump is such a fascist (lie told by the media), then why did all the political leaders around the world congratulate him?
'Things I dislike are fascism.'
Read Giovanni Gentile and you'll find what you think is fascism isn't fascism.
@@gagamba9198 The fact that they label him as a "threat" and try and suppress him too is ironic
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Wow it is WAY too fxking late to switch gears VICE unbelievable
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Economic motivation is a legitimate reason for being a refugee. If I were unable to meet my family's basic needs by working my tail off in my home country, you can bet your sweet butt I'd leave. I wouldn't wait 10 years for a work visa either. The US foreign policy for years has allowed corporations to exploit those countries for the past 150 years, destroying both the environment and the economy. The US tried to pull off a sort of "soft colonization" of Central America and South America. Those people live in places where the US facilitated repressive governments, financed coups, stripped the land of minerals and metals, and bailed out when the country's resources are tapped out. We bought the ticket, now its time for the US to ride the ride.
Yup. Nick's argument about the countries we invaded in the middle east should also apply to any country where the CIA has undermined democracy and human rights.
Also I think the sanctions on Cuba and Venezuela not only needlessly hurt civilians, they do nothing to advance US interests.
Lift the sanctions so when the regimes continue to fail and no longer be able to point the finger at America, opposition can foment internally. Blaming the US for their problems is the only thing these governments point to for legitimacy. Lets take that away from them and then see where the chips land.
We should be spending money on our taxpayers. Period. Full stop. Children are getting raped and you are just sitting here saying "yeah let's ride the ride". You people have issues
@NJRB23 We do spend our money on taxpayers. Even those who are here without proper documentation are taxpayers. They pay sales tax at our stores and payroll tax from their paychecks. They pay tolls for driving on highways and gas tax on the fuel they buy for their cars. They pay motor vehicle taxes on license plates for the trucks they drive to do the hard work that white people won't. Children are raped every day by people who are native born citizens at much higher rates than the same crime committed by immigrants. The problem is that a simple majority of US voters, who are all US citizens, are either racists and bigots or are ok with those who are. We as a nation are not as good a people as we thought we were. We as a nation are ok hurting someone else, as long as it's not someone we know. We, as a people, chose to put our own interests and comfort ahead of the basic needs of others. That is far from the message of any organized faith or moral code. Being so selfish and greedy that we are willing to believe lies and stereotypes about hard-working people in our country is more than just racist and bigoted. It is un-American. But it is who "we" are as a people.
Those taxes paid by undocumented immigrants pay for services and programs that they will never use because they are not eligible as non-citizens. The brown people you are so upset about not only do5 the work that white people won't, they pay for services white people use. Essentially, they are bankrolling this country and getting nothing out of the deal other than low wages and hate from others. Nope, this is who "we" are as a country. This election is hopefully our "rock bottom." Hundreds of thousands of police officers chose to vote for a convicted felon instead of an accomplished prosecutor. That's about as rock bottom as it gets. Millions of people said that women who have been raped have less value. Our country elected a male serial sexual predator over a female prosecutor. Make that make sense! I'll wait. Go look in the mirror. Are DJT's policies reflective of who YOU are, what YOU believe is right? I hope we as a nation get our cheap gas and affordable groceries. I hope we as a country enjoy them, and can stomach that each bite we take harmed others in the process.
Our country elected the leader it deserves right now. We deserve Trump, and the bare ugliness he and his crew of perverts, sycophants, enablers, and thieves.
No. We don't deserve to import the third world because our grandparents made bad decisions.
@NJRB23 undocumented migrants pay approximately $96 billion in taxes yearly (source: IRS.gov) for which they receive virtually no benefits. That doesn't include state income taxes, local taxes, sales tax, etc. This is tax revenue that would need to be collected from others. What is your suggestion? Should we tax the working class more? Perhaps the upper-middle class, the top 1% of earners? Perhaps corporations should pay their fair share. It might be worth discussing this with Dear Leader before we go forward with any kind of immigration policy. The problem is that Mango Mussolini's math isn't mathing. Much like his concepts of a healthcare plan, his concepts of a plan regarding economic and immigration policies are not actually possible. He cannot imagine the idea that we live in a world economy. Its one of the major problems with electing an 80 y/o man who has a limited and uninformed view of the world to be president.