Also so spot-on re politics of Iain M. Banks [so soreley missed] and what to him were the first leftwing/non-reactionary space operas. Core, Cory, you rule!!
Used to be a Musk fan, chiefly for him being a tech visionary (SpaceX is very impressive). Recently I've had to do a complete 180 on the creep, as I realised he is a danger for the world. Anyone supporting the idea that billionaires can decide so-called democratic elections has completely lost their moral compass. The US system of elections is completely broken.
I lost complete respect for Musk when he decidedly purchased Twitter and attempted to back out of it some time later. It was clear then to me that this man is driven by ego and not some grand well-thought vision of any kind.
I still am a Musk fan. The problem is the money in politics, such that any billionaire with crackpot political beliefs, can garner exceptional influence. If Musk is destroyed, the problem doesn't go away.
Varoufakis is such a bright mind and so honest, its sad that in todays world a guy like this sits powerless while lunatics and greedy people control the world!
@@lightgatha..thank you I was about to say exactly the same....at least they no longer kill them like they used to do to scientist after stealing their ideas...
@@petermallm149 Exactly. Are you serious?! The guy is just a PR front for the enskatification of world political tittle-tattle/gossipification that takes place on social media.
@FERAH-k7v we are but painfully aware, like in every country, our leaders have the 'national interest' as in, the needs of the people, way down the priorities list. But the people can change that, and It's always taken them to come together to do it. Time is now, not just in Ireland but globally.
Cory is a revelation ! My fault for not being a huge science fiction reader so hadn't heard of him but my God what a tonic it is to listen to him . Yanis as always is superb . Thanks for the podcast
In the back room of a repurposed data center off Highway 101, Cory flicked a half-depleted roll of circuit tape between his fingers, addressing a crowd of trembling tech bros who worshipped their usual pantheon of innovators. His talk wove conspiracies through their beloved origin stories-those genius founders, Cory claimed, had minted fortunes by hijacking open-source ideals and leeching off unsuspecting coders. Each example was meticulously documented on projected slides, a timeline peppered with points that glowed red like sullen embers of truth. “You think they’re benevolent,” he said, forcing a sad half-smile. “Their philanthropic masks are just bug fixes for a broken system they designed.” The tech bros squirmed, glancing around, uncertain. Cory spoke with the casual intensity of an older cousin explaining the rules of a forgotten family board game. They wanted to reject his arguments, but he offered stats and back-channel logs that seemed too credible to ignore. Their post-gig economy heroes were suddenly tarnished. Outside, the hum of server fans seemed to intensify. As the small group dispersed, some marched out in a fog of hushed shock, others scrolled frantically on battered phones to verify or refute Cory’s claims. He packed up his slides, turned off the projector, and quietly removed an unmarked USB from the console. He plugged it into his ultra-thin laptop, tapped out a short script that ended with a whisper-quiet beep. The encrypted message disappeared into a dark data pipeline, flagged for “further analysis.” No outward sign gave away its destination. But a glimmer in Cory’s eyes lingered as he closed the lid-like a wink to some unseen partner hidden behind the thrumming wires. TL;DR: He's a shill, 100% misrepresentation.
Yanis Varoufakis is telling it like it is. Always a delight to hear his opinions. Cory was also very insightful. Listening to him made me so much more aware of what’s going on with these billionaire lords around the world.
I strongly disagree that we can do nothing. JOIN UNIONS! BECOME A PART OF A SOLIDARITY AGRICULTURE! BUY FROM SMALL COMPANIES! BUY SECOND HAND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! SHARE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! It´s a pain in the ass and takes a lot of time. But if we want to free ourselves from corporations, we need to stop giving them our money were ever we can.
Absolutely! Their greatest weapon is our sentiment of desperation. Don't let anyone tell you it's hopeless. We are the power. Boycott, inform, organize, unite.
I have lived in the US my entire life. We have laws here which have been on the books for over a hundred years regarding anittrust commercial businesses (monopolies) and the laws were used to breakup monolopies in the past, e.g. ATT and IBM. But now our federal government refuses to use these laws to break up monopolies here in the US because of money in our politics and SCOTUS rulings since 2000 ("Citizens United" which is an oxymoron). This combined with the dumbing-down of the public by interested parties (mostly Republicans) trying to tear down the public schools here for the past 40 years. We, i.e. the public, have a lot of work to do here to get our government back on track to start doing what is in the public interest and not what is in the interest of the Super Rich (billionaires / oligarchs) here in the US.
Thank you for calling out Elon Musk and his lies. I didn’t know that a lot of this stuff with the robots was fake. You know you only hear certain things and I’m so glad you called him out. I wish other people would call him out every day for his lies just like Donald Trump and his lies. People don’t call them out on the media. They don’t. It doesn’t happen in real time. It’s disgustingso there are a lot of people that fall for these lies and a lot of people who do not have common sense.
A bunch of butthurt clowns, especially Yanis (Rockefeller makes Musk look like an amateur; Musk is an epiphenomenon; Musk is on the verge of a nervous breakdown; ...a smidgen of power...). Yanis is the classic example of a narcissist - he desperately tries to belittle Musk so he himself can feel bigger.
@@timmit-s4d Horseshit. He is simply trying to speak the truth about extremely powerful oligarchs who are increasingly trying to control our lives simply to make a buck.
One of the most articulate speakers I have come across! Hats off and thank for your analysis, Cory! Great channel by the way. I knew of DIEM but only discovered your channel this day.
I have followed Varoufakis since the pandemic but l have not known about Cory Doctorow although l may have read one of his books and just looked him up on wikipedia and I am impressed with his work and ethical approach and standing in life.
🔷 And a man sat alone drenched deep in sadness .. and all the animals drew near to him and said: "We do not like to see you so sad, ask us for whatever you wish and you shall have it" 🔷 The man said: "I want to have good sight" And vulture replied: "you shall have mine" The man said: " I want to be strong. The Jaguar said: "You shall be strong like me" . Then the man said: "I long to know the secrets of the earth" , and the serpent replied: "I shall show them to you" . 🔷 And so it went will all the animals. and when the man had all the gifts that they could give... he left. Then the Owl said to the other animals: "Now the man knows much and he is able to do many things.... suddenly I am afraid". 🔷 The Deer said: "The man has all that he needs." "Now his sadness will stop." But the Owl replied : "No. I saw a hole in the man... deep, like a hunger he will never fill." ...."It is what makes him so sad and makes him want." "He will go on taking and taking... Until one day the world will say: I am no more and have nothing left to give." South American native folk tale
People around the world do not have to agree on everything and all policies, but it is great that so many people are waking up to the risk of Musk's megalomania.
So informative and with a few glimmers of hope! We cannot despair even though things look so grim. It helps to know that you are out their fighting. Thank you.
Excellent content! Glad Corey Doctorow's name brought me to your channel. It's been so frustrating the last few years, having to watch so many people trip all over themselves to fall for one of the ruling class's oldest tricks - divide and conquer.
WOW,its a brit guy who answers some of my questions (((-; its a miracle ((((-: I can hardly believe it. I got some hope back and enjoyed every word he had to say.
As an Elon Musk fan until 2025. Shocked by recent actions. This is the most comprehensive takedown and analysis. I'm reconsidering my whole world view now. Thanks 😅
One of the great quotes of all time - your grandfather had laser vision. … .Check who are the “donors” and those whispering in the politicians’ ears. Since the Roman empire, I see recurring actors. Political lobbying is an example of the beast in action. (The beast - as in the cause of unhappiness in this world). A most evil thing taught at universities is Marketing - you can get a PhD in how to con your fellow man … at a University - a place of Insight into our Magical Universe - of Science and the Arts. Shame on all the World’s such Universities. Where is the Real Senate? - as in our Seniors, our Elders, our Grandfathers, to listen to and heed their wisdom. It’s always been the same story - power attracting the corruptible. Corrupt politicians. The people get tired of them one after the other and only act when the shit hits the fan. We must wake up before the Earth wakes us up for us with planetary collapse. But Elon will find a way to escape - I think I recognised him in the film “Don’t look up!”
Qué sorpresa más reconfortante me ha proporcionado este encuentro con dos tipos que forman un magnífico dúo.. No conocía a Cory y es el mejor hallazgo en años: una mentalidad que se sale de los parámetros usuales y gastados por ideologías obsoletas . Magnífico complemento a la experiencia y análisis de Varoufakis. Como se me escapan algunos argumentos ( y siglas) usados por Cory, me encantaría encontrarme un libro donde estas ideas fueran expuestas por ambos, y explicadas para un amplio público y gente jóven, a la manera que lo hace Varoufakis. Gracias mil. SALUD desde Canarias.
Thanks so much for introducing me to Cory Doctorow - loving the "Stupid Musx" meme. Been following Yanis since before 2008, but Cory is a welcome revelation!
@@Robert-xs2mv Yes. insane to look at original soruces. just believe what Doctorow's ego says, no need to check the original tweet to see how crazy he really is.
Cory has a great imaginative mind and we definitely need imagination and telling stories that can make us desire the just and prosperous future that is possible. As a software developer, I would really encourage all to learn about the enormous internal community of open source software development and GPL license.
@lindahoganson8721 My personal favorite free and GPL licenced program is Blender 3D but there are endless of open source apps out there. GPL stands for General Public License and was introduced back in the 8'ties and is also called CopyLeft. These were very smart guys that understood a lot about the future of software and the benefits of collaboration and sharing immaterial code for humanity in general. Most software today has been built in cooperation for the benefit af all (who knows it exist). There are different open source licenses out there but GPL is in my view the ultimate collaboration license. I hope you find something you like and even something to participate in. Please ask if you need more help.
Excellent discussion! IMO one thing we must do to prevent the enshittification of our own lives is to restore and revitalise our face to face connections, local communities and local economies.
Elon appears in an episode of the "Big Bang Theory" where we're supposed to be introduced to the new oligarch star and worship him. Media is very consolidated and makes us think what we think about everyone. There's no public resistance.
@theresabarzee1463 chuck lorre, our leader away from making sense from Dharma and Greg and the Rosanne show through Big Bang, the friends show made not commenting on politics the rule.
There's plenty of evidence to empirically support your claim. Studies done through the CASP project (Capital as Power), for example, show how the main Entertainment conglomerates boosted differential accumulation by figuring out how to manage risk. They did this by 1) Harnessing, restraining, shaping, and molding creativity to serve their accumulation, and 2) Train and condition the consumer to actually consume what they produce. This meant they could really shape and restrict the creation and consumption of culture in a highly predictable way. This meant that even though a big Hollywood firm might have pretty average profit margins, they were able to increase differential accumulation dramatically. Hence the "enshittification" of culture. It doesn't matter to make high quality, entertaining products if they take up all the market space and are able to get everyone to consume their products. They increase their relative market power. Now imagine it with AI...
So great to hear Cory's very astute assessment of man-child Musk. As an American in Pennsylvania, we were treated to his nonsense for two months leading up to November. Blechhhh
I just wish it was fact-check accurate. Musk is absolutely fast and lose with the truth, but the "pretend to have built a robot" criticisms are hyperbolic beyond Musk's actual lies. I worry when intelligent people like Cory use hyperbole when it's unnecessary and just invites people dismissing him. The same applies to Cory's comments on what self-driving taxi's can solve, and Starlink. Cory is unfortunately talking as an opposition politician trying to persuade people about how evil Musk is (btw... he is), rather than focusing on the facts.
The reason for Musk's involvement in European Politics is, I believe, fanciful or not, to attempt to create an International Oligarchy to literally rule the planet. And of course, he being the king of the heap, would be at the top. Mad as that may seem.
No its in fact to oppose the de facto oligarchy that already rules the planet. You know, the one that pays shills like Doctorow to try to get you to not look...... the one that has staged military interventions in almost 100 countries, and has such sway over the media that you don't even know about it?! Really, wake up will you.
Elon Musk is proof that in this epoch, and undoubtedly for the first time in the history of humanity and of its inhumanity, stupidity rules as such, totally and shamelessly.
He's clearly not stupid. You can't be stupid and get that rich. Immoral? Definitely. Egotistical? Check. Over-confident in fields that aren't his wheelhouse? Yep. But he is shrewd enough to have played a tactical game that has enriched and empowered himself, and that is not "stupidity", regardless of how much we loath it. You would underestimate the guy as an adversary, to assume him stupid, regardless of the stupid things he says in isolation.
@@PinataOblongata Why can't you be stupid and get rich? Aren't guys like Musk and Trump showing us that you can be that stupid and get rich. Just be extremely rich by birth lie a lot and never face any consequences for it. Seems like their charisma or whatever you want to call it is undeniable but their smarts?
Thanks for your question at the end of the talk Mehran... It was a particularly good way at rounding up thoughts and trying to make sense of how to move forward. Good man. And great thanks to Cory and finally well said Yanis about the rolling strikes against Amazon. Let's not forget that latter point, an important one.
Cyberpunk was a warning not a Suggestion but netwatch is the soloution 😂. Thx for the great ideas. As a german i hate how we dominante the EU with our 1890 Mindeset everywhere. Keep keep up the good work, we can use the web to turn this around.
No, the idea is to create alternatives so that we don't have to *use their platform* You missed Yanis' main point. This isn't Capitalism. Amazon isn't selling any goods or services. It's the platform on which other businesses sell goods and services. More to the point - we are the means by which Amazon gains cloud capital. Just by walking down the street with my phone, they're getting capital power. I don't even have to visit Amazon for them to get free labour from me. It's bigger and more powerful than many nations. It's a paradigm shift.
Γιάνη η ανάλυση σου είναι τόσο καλη και στοχευμένη..Δεν το χωράει το μου ότι δεν είμαστε στην βουλή.. Ντρέπομαι σαν ελληνιδα για την βουλή που έχουμε..Μα😮 είναι δυνατόν το ΜΕΡΑ25 να είναι εκτός.. Είμαστε και το πιστεύω ακράδαντα η απάντηση σε όλη αυτήν την φρενίτιδα σε όλον αυτόν τομ ιδεολογικό χυλό...CARPE DIEM ..FREE PALESTINE 🕊️✊
It seems like Elon is the guy we are seeing, whereas before these goon hid in the shadows, content to be rich without the famous. Elon's insecurities make him want to be the cool guy as well as the rich guy, so perhaps that could actually be a good thing for his follies being more visible to everyone and more people waking up to how this is actually what they are all doing (controlling govts and narratives and policy and economies) just not so obviously.
The Musk/Bezos fascination with Banks and the Culture always felt so tragicomically obscene. They're classic Banks villains. We're not going to enjoy techno feudalism.
You won't have to, don't worry. Cory would love you to, though. He literally twists reality, like its some macabre game, to try to gaslight you into believing the opposite of whats true.
Somewhat off topic but I listened to your guys' suggestion from the end of last year to watch Silo and even though I usually stay away from Sci-Fi, I'm more of a Lord of The Rings or Alfred Hitchcock or some political documentary type of guy, I truly, truly enjoyed it and it became one of my all time favorite shows. Now I'm just suffering until second season gets completed in a few days so I can watch that.
Thank you for explaining Starling and how slow it is when I know somebody who just thinks that Starlink is the best thing and Elon Musk did so much for everybody and how great Elon is so I didn’t hear the other side of Starlink. Thank you.
Thanks a lot for this session - this was very inspiring! Personally I am very much in favor of the more optimistic and constructive perspective of Cory versus the fatalistic view of Yanis. Of course much of what he says is valid but I do not see the struggle for a solution. We in Europe are in such a dangerous dependency on all tech fronts (especially chips, OS, cloud infrastructure and cloud services) - it is simply embarrassing. But there is no reason in the world not to 1. get the big techs to pay full tax rate for every € they make here and 2. catch up starting from cloud infrastructure and services. And I do not see another place to make this happen different from the often criticized EU Commission hopefully staffed with more tough and competent people like Margrethe Vestager.
I always thought Peter Tiel is the more dangerous one. His worldview is way more dystopian. Elon just looks at himself. Tiel knows how he wants to deal with ‘useless’ people.
They read our dystopias and mistaken them for business plans. Brilliant.
Dystopias are just fleshing out the consequences of Capitalism.
@@ai_serf So very incestuous... like monopolism.
Indeed
Torment Nexus 1.0 will ship later this year I heard. Can't wait!
Also so spot-on re politics of Iain M. Banks [so soreley missed] and what to him were the first leftwing/non-reactionary space operas.
Core, Cory, you rule!!
Used to be a Musk fan, chiefly for him being a tech visionary (SpaceX is very impressive). Recently I've had to do a complete 180 on the creep, as I realised he is a danger for the world. Anyone supporting the idea that billionaires can decide so-called democratic elections has completely lost their moral compass. The US system of elections is completely broken.
Ditto!
Billionaires have long been deciding the outcome of elections but not openly like Musk……
@@mishkamo55
Me too - he seemed good for so long - but Trump corrupts everything.
I lost complete respect for Musk when he decidedly purchased Twitter and attempted to back out of it some time later. It was clear then to me that this man is driven by ego and not some grand well-thought vision of any kind.
I still am a Musk fan. The problem is the money in politics, such that any billionaire with crackpot political beliefs, can garner exceptional influence. If Musk is destroyed, the problem doesn't go away.
Varoufakis is such a bright mind and so honest, its sad that in todays world a guy like this sits powerless while lunatics and greedy people control the world!
It’s mostly always been that way.
@@lightgatha..thank you I was about to say exactly the same....at least they no longer kill them like they used to do to scientist after stealing their ideas...
Are you serious ?
Political power atrracts a certain kind of people.
@@petermallm149 Exactly. Are you serious?!
The guy is just a PR front for the enskatification of world political tittle-tattle/gossipification that takes place on social media.
As an Irish person living in Republic of Ireland, the mentions of Ireland and its enshittification are a welcome breath of fresh air. 🇮🇪☘️
VC capital and big tech are a leach on Ireland's back
They mention the 'basket case' ( Ireland) from 50 mins or so, on. A typical Irish saying, it has ti be said.
@grainnefallon7713 a sort of "friendly" fire 😉🇮🇪☘️
Be very oroud if Ireland❤❤❤❤
@FERAH-k7v we are but painfully aware, like in every country, our leaders have the 'national interest' as in, the needs of the people, way down the priorities list. But the people can change that, and It's always taken them to come together to do it. Time is now, not just in Ireland but globally.
Cory is a revelation ! My fault for not being a huge science fiction reader so hadn't heard of him but my God what a tonic it is to listen to him . Yanis as always is superb . Thanks for the podcast
Go watch any of his addresses at the Defcons over the years, he's the fucking man!
My thoughts exactly 👍
Cory is a good guy and well worth a read for his razors sharp insights and engaging storytelling.
In the back room of a repurposed data center off Highway 101, Cory flicked a half-depleted roll of circuit tape between his fingers, addressing a crowd of trembling tech bros who worshipped their usual pantheon of innovators. His talk wove conspiracies through their beloved origin stories-those genius founders, Cory claimed, had minted fortunes by hijacking open-source ideals and leeching off unsuspecting coders. Each example was meticulously documented on projected slides, a timeline peppered with points that glowed red like sullen embers of truth.
“You think they’re benevolent,” he said, forcing a sad half-smile. “Their philanthropic masks are just bug fixes for a broken system they designed.”
The tech bros squirmed, glancing around, uncertain. Cory spoke with the casual intensity of an older cousin explaining the rules of a forgotten family board game. They wanted to reject his arguments, but he offered stats and back-channel logs that seemed too credible to ignore. Their post-gig economy heroes were suddenly tarnished. Outside, the hum of server fans seemed to intensify.
As the small group dispersed, some marched out in a fog of hushed shock, others scrolled frantically on battered phones to verify or refute Cory’s claims. He packed up his slides, turned off the projector, and quietly removed an unmarked USB from the console.
He plugged it into his ultra-thin laptop, tapped out a short script that ended with a whisper-quiet beep. The encrypted message disappeared into a dark data pipeline, flagged for “further analysis.” No outward sign gave away its destination. But a glimmer in Cory’s eyes lingered as he closed the lid-like a wink to some unseen partner hidden behind the thrumming wires.
TL;DR: He's a shill, 100% misrepresentation.
That where the truth hides 😉🤷♀️❤️
How incredibly refreshing to hear such utter sanity.
You meant insanity. Surely you are joking. Right?
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@@AbleLawrence surely you are a troll, right? (why am I even answering that kind of useless comment?)
@@GTTL-lad 🥰
Yanis Varoufakis is telling it like it is. Always a delight to hear his opinions. Cory was also very insightful. Listening to him made me so much more aware of what’s going on with these billionaire lords around the world.
Very informative though it is opinion. Yanis seems very neutral, unbiased, very refreshing. Glad this channel introduced him to me.
Two very well informed and intelligent people. Very refreshing.
Correction: one semi well informed and one that embodies the term "Enshillification". You can go to any of the original sources to see for yourself.
Incredible Yanis! Sending love and support from Ireland, Keep up the great work.
Thank you very much!
Best and most insightful roast of Musk I’ve heard yet. Nice work, Cory!
Except that very little of it is true.
I strongly disagree that we can do nothing. JOIN UNIONS! BECOME A PART OF A SOLIDARITY AGRICULTURE! BUY FROM SMALL COMPANIES! BUY SECOND HAND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! SHARE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! It´s a pain in the ass and takes a lot of time. But if we want to free ourselves from corporations, we need to stop giving them our money were ever we can.
Absolutely! Their greatest weapon is our sentiment of desperation. Don't let anyone tell you it's hopeless. We are the power. Boycott, inform, organize, unite.
@@yan-amar Unfortunately we can't agree on anything so there might be power there but we can't get to it
That's the way; if enough people do these things, it may well make a difference.
I have lived in the US my entire life. We have laws here which have been on the books for over a hundred years regarding anittrust commercial businesses (monopolies) and the laws were used to breakup monolopies in the past, e.g. ATT and IBM. But now our federal government refuses to use these laws to break up monopolies here in the US because of money in our politics and SCOTUS rulings since 2000 ("Citizens United" which is an oxymoron). This combined with the dumbing-down of the public by interested parties (mostly Republicans) trying to tear down the public schools here for the past 40 years. We, i.e. the public, have a lot of work to do here to get our government back on track to start doing what is in the public interest and not what is in the interest of the Super Rich (billionaires / oligarchs) here in the US.
The Biden Administration made at least some tentative moves towards enforcing said laws. So of course, the oligarchs went all in for Trump.
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Thank you for your work. The current state of stupidity scares me nearly to paralysis, so your reasonable voices give me hope.
"There are two things that are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, but I’m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein died in 1955
Hope can be a dangerous thing.
@deathbychocolateandpoison 💯 its simply fear expressing itself
I just said almost the exact same thing today.
Thank you for calling out Elon Musk and his lies. I didn’t know that a lot of this stuff with the robots was fake. You know you only hear certain things and I’m so glad you called him out. I wish other people would call him out every day for his lies just like Donald Trump and his lies. People don’t call them out on the media. They don’t. It doesn’t happen in real time. It’s disgustingso there are a lot of people that fall for these lies and a lot of people who do not have common sense.
He was being called out almost a decade ago, he compulsively lies, his whole enterprise is based on them
You are a very funny Indian chap you know, I too called out to the redhead Donald but he wouldn't answer obviously as I have blonde hair
He's not lying nearly as much as you think.
Blown away by how accurate and insightful Cory Doctorow is in describing Musk and the societal mechanics in play!
"There are in-groups whom the law protects and doesn't bind, and there are out-groups whom the law binds and does not protect." 5:16
My first exposure to Cory. He made me smile in these dark times. Subscribed, thank you.
He's a master deceiver. Try to find the tweet he misrepresents so wholeheartedly.
I always hated billionaires; from their fear of death to controlling unimaginable wealth that wasn't theirs to begin with.
How is musk's wealth not his own. How did you become rich, what was your big idea? Or are you just a vile commie, envious, lazy and angry
George soros is millionaire just like Bill
This is an insanely great discussion!
There can be no such thing as a Billionaire that is not a narcissistic sociopath.
A bunch of butthurt clowns, especially Yanis (Rockefeller makes Musk look like an amateur; Musk is an epiphenomenon; Musk is on the verge of a nervous breakdown; ...a smidgen of power...).
Yanis is the classic example of a narcissist - he desperately tries to belittle Musk so he himself can feel bigger.
psychopath!
Warren buffet? 😂
@@timmit-s4d Horseshit. He is simply trying to speak the truth about extremely powerful oligarchs who are increasingly trying to control our lives simply to make a buck.
That greatest of philosophers Dolly Parton said "To be a billionaire is to be a moral failure"
Simply brilliant, going to relisten now
One of the most articulate speakers I have come across! Hats off and thank for your analysis, Cory! Great channel by the way. I knew of DIEM but only discovered your channel this day.
A master of enshillification. I'm sure he's on the NSA payroll. Or you're yet another bot.
Thank you for all your work
I have followed Varoufakis since the pandemic but l have not known about Cory Doctorow although l may have read one of his books and just looked him up on wikipedia and I am impressed with his work and ethical approach and standing in life.
¡Gracias!
Thank you so much!!
It is always an absolute pleasure to hear Mr. Yanis Yaroufakis. He is a very good at explaining all kinds of situations. I could not agree more.
Seeing who’d be on this show, I knew it would be brilliant. I was not disappointed. These are intellectual greats.
Funny, & deeply decent human white guys too!?
👍👍
🔷 And a man sat alone drenched deep in sadness .. and all the animals drew near to him and said: "We do not like to see you so sad, ask us for whatever you wish and you shall have it"
🔷 The man said: "I want to have good sight" And vulture replied: "you shall have mine" The man said: " I want to be strong. The Jaguar said: "You shall be strong like me" . Then the man said: "I long to know the secrets of the earth" , and the serpent replied: "I shall show them to you" .
🔷 And so it went will all the animals. and when the man had all the gifts that they could give... he left. Then the Owl said to the other animals: "Now the man knows much and he is able to do many things.... suddenly I am afraid".
🔷 The Deer said: "The man has all that he needs." "Now his sadness will stop." But the Owl replied : "No. I saw a hole in the man... deep, like a hunger he will never fill." ...."It is what makes him so sad and makes him want." "He will go on taking and taking... Until one day the world will say: I am no more and have nothing left to give."
South American native folk tale
Fabulous tale
People around the world do not have to agree on everything and all policies, but it is great that so many people are waking up to the risk of Musk's megalomania.
Trumusk, muskpup.
Thanks!
Thank you very much!
So informative and with a few glimmers of hope! We cannot despair even though things look so grim. It helps to know that you are out their fighting. Thank you.
Fighting for the very monsters he claims are embodied in their victims.
Excellent content! Glad Corey Doctorow's name brought me to your channel.
It's been so frustrating the last few years, having to watch so many people trip all over themselves to fall for one of the ruling class's oldest tricks - divide and conquer.
You should try to verify the things he claims....... you may find yourself very disillusioned. Unless you're a bot.
@@1001stmonkeythe verification is in the history and repeated patterns that continue right in front of us.
Thanks
Thank you so much!
You're a good men Yanis and Mehran.
These are maybe the two most important voices, as far as I'm concerned
Because they're so good at gaslighting those who don't know anything about Musk yet?
First time I listen to Cory. Seems like a very bright man!! 💡
What an opening salvo by Cory. First time hearing of him. What a sharp and witty analysis.
Very self assured, but all 100% verifiably false. I challenge you to find support for a single thing he said. You will find the opposite.
@ really? How so?
@@1001stmonkey Are you a chronic naysayer?
WOW,its a brit guy who answers some of my questions (((-; its a miracle ((((-: I can hardly believe it. I got some hope back and enjoyed every word he had to say.
Big fan of Corey very sharp guy
Are you also on the NSA payroll?
@@1001stmonkeylol no I'm not, what's he doing for the NSA writing articles?
5:33 my goodness what an opening speech! I've learned a lot in just a few minutes...
All lies. Go to the sources and see for yourself.
@1001stmonkey could you point me in the right direction about something specific?
Thank you all for bringing such an amazing guest and for being a voice of reason in such turbulent times!
As an Elon Musk fan until 2025.
Shocked by recent actions.
This is the most comprehensive takedown and analysis.
I'm reconsidering my whole world view now. Thanks 😅
So in all prior years you bought into Elon's chiccanery? Was the Hyperloop, Robo thingy not a red flag?
Frankly I'm surprised it took till 2025.
Better late than never!
Have you ever read the complaints filed against those factories? If I say more, you won't know about it.
I haven't seen worse in this century.
Also, do people know where he got his seed money, to acquire Tesla?
Thankful for the opportunity to listen to intelligence, wisdom, and forward thinking minds.👏👏👏
What youtube program are you referring to?
My Grandfather told me his whole life that the best investment in the world was to buy American politicians
One of the great quotes of all time - your grandfather had laser vision. … .Check who are the “donors” and those whispering in the politicians’ ears. Since the Roman empire, I see recurring actors.
Political lobbying is an example of the beast in action. (The beast - as in the cause of unhappiness in this world). A most evil thing taught at universities is Marketing - you can get a PhD in how to con your fellow man … at a University - a place of Insight into our Magical Universe - of Science and the Arts. Shame on all the World’s such Universities.
Where is the Real Senate? - as in our Seniors, our Elders, our Grandfathers, to listen to and heed their wisdom.
It’s always been the same story - power attracting the corruptible. Corrupt politicians. The people get tired of them one after the other and only act when the shit hits the fan. We must wake up before the Earth wakes us up for us with planetary collapse. But Elon will find a way to escape - I think I recognised him in the film “Don’t look up!”
Isn't it beautiful that two of the greatest grifters (Trump/Musk) of our time have found each other? Here's hoping they grift each other to jail.
Don´t delude yourself that there were any grift-free alternatives
You know it's going to be a great show with Yani and Cory on the call.
Another very interesting and educating conversation. Thank you!
Qué sorpresa más reconfortante me ha proporcionado este encuentro con dos tipos que forman un magnífico dúo.. No conocía a Cory y es el mejor hallazgo en años: una mentalidad que se sale de los parámetros usuales y gastados por ideologías obsoletas . Magnífico complemento a la experiencia y análisis de Varoufakis. Como se me escapan algunos argumentos ( y siglas) usados por Cory, me encantaría encontrarme un libro donde estas ideas fueran expuestas por ambos, y explicadas para un amplio público y gente jóven, a la manera que lo hace Varoufakis.
Gracias mil. SALUD desde Canarias.
Thanks so much for introducing me to Cory Doctorow - loving the "Stupid Musx" meme. Been following Yanis since before 2008, but Cory is a welcome revelation!
With out intelligent podcast like yours i would go crazy soon thank you !
We are not the crazy ones, it is the rest that are insane.
@@Robert-xs2mv Yes. insane to look at original soruces. just believe what Doctorow's ego says, no need to check the original tweet to see how crazy he really is.
The human brain was probably not built to grasp such a complex world. These sense-makers are surely providing relief.
What a breath of fresh air! Thank you for a great show.
Excellent discussion, thank you.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Wonderful, informed and sane discussion. More, please!
Cory has a great imaginative mind and we definitely need imagination and telling stories that can make us desire the just and prosperous future that is possible.
As a software developer, I would really encourage all to learn about the enormous internal community of open source software development and GPL license.
Will you please introduce this old newbie to a low level starting place. Much appreciated.
@lindahoganson8721
My personal favorite free and GPL licenced program is Blender 3D but there are endless of open source apps out there. GPL stands for General Public License and was introduced back in the 8'ties and is also called CopyLeft. These were very smart guys that understood a lot about the future of software and the benefits of collaboration and sharing immaterial code for humanity in general.
Most software today has been built in cooperation for the benefit af all (who knows it exist). There are different open source licenses out there but GPL is in my view the ultimate collaboration license. I hope you find something you like and even something to participate in. Please ask if you need more help.
Thank you for the podcast!
Excellent discussion! IMO one thing we must do to prevent the enshittification of our own lives is to restore and revitalise our face to face connections, local communities and local economies.
Couldn’t agree more! The left needs to rediscover *the offline*
@@mkh4lili Writing paper, envelopes and postage stamps!
Thanks, Yanis and Cory, for pulling back the curtain and letting us see The Great Wizard for what he actually is.
remember MADDOFF.
I like the idea of subverting these tech firms
Elon appears in an episode of the "Big Bang Theory" where we're supposed to be introduced to the new oligarch star and worship him. Media is very consolidated and makes us think what we think about everyone. There's no public resistance.
wonder who produced that vapid show...!?
@theresabarzee1463 chuck lorre, our leader away from making sense from Dharma and Greg and the Rosanne show through Big Bang, the friends show made not commenting on politics the rule.
There's plenty of evidence to empirically support your claim. Studies done through the CASP project (Capital as Power), for example, show how the main Entertainment conglomerates boosted differential accumulation by figuring out how to manage risk. They did this by 1) Harnessing, restraining, shaping, and molding creativity to serve their accumulation, and 2) Train and condition the consumer to actually consume what they produce.
This meant they could really shape and restrict the creation and consumption of culture in a highly predictable way. This meant that even though a big Hollywood firm might have pretty average profit margins, they were able to increase differential accumulation dramatically.
Hence the "enshittification" of culture. It doesn't matter to make high quality, entertaining products if they take up all the market space and are able to get everyone to consume their products. They increase their relative market power.
Now imagine it with AI...
So great to hear Cory's very astute assessment of man-child Musk. As an American in Pennsylvania, we were treated to his nonsense for two months leading up to November. Blechhhh
I just wish it was fact-check accurate. Musk is absolutely fast and lose with the truth, but the "pretend to have built a robot" criticisms are hyperbolic beyond Musk's actual lies. I worry when intelligent people like Cory use hyperbole when it's unnecessary and just invites people dismissing him. The same applies to Cory's comments on what self-driving taxi's can solve, and Starlink. Cory is unfortunately talking as an opposition politician trying to persuade people about how evil Musk is (btw... he is), rather than focusing on the facts.
Big fan of both these gentlemen. Thx, much appreciated.
The reason for Musk's involvement in European Politics is, I believe, fanciful or not, to attempt to create an International Oligarchy to literally rule the planet. And of course, he being the king of the heap, would be at the top. Mad as that may seem.
No its in fact to oppose the de facto oligarchy that already rules the planet. You know, the one that pays shills like Doctorow to try to get you to not look...... the one that has staged military interventions in almost 100 countries, and has such sway over the media that you don't even know about it?! Really, wake up will you.
Bravo!!! Wonderful discourse ...thank you
Fascinating listen. Thankyou.
Super interesting. This discussion had fascinating explorations of answers to troubling questions on the current news radar.
Thank you!!! This is what I’ve been trying to explain to my Elon Stan son since I first wrote about Neurolink more than 10 years ago.
Doctorow's analysis of Musk is excellent and, I suspect, quite accurate.
Elon Musk is proof that in this epoch, and undoubtedly for the first time in the history of humanity and of its inhumanity, stupidity rules as such, totally and shamelessly.
An extremely hostile parasite.
He's clearly not stupid. You can't be stupid and get that rich. Immoral? Definitely. Egotistical? Check. Over-confident in fields that aren't his wheelhouse? Yep. But he is shrewd enough to have played a tactical game that has enriched and empowered himself, and that is not "stupidity", regardless of how much we loath it. You would underestimate the guy as an adversary, to assume him stupid, regardless of the stupid things he says in isolation.
I think you are overstating. Please check out history on pages 1913 ff.
@@PinataOblongata Why can't you be stupid and get rich? Aren't guys like Musk and Trump showing us that you can be that stupid and get rich. Just be extremely rich by birth lie a lot and never face any consequences for it. Seems like their charisma or whatever you want to call it is undeniable but their smarts?
I have never heard someone happy or someone successful say anything bad about Elon. You guys have to take a deep look into the mirror!
I love the energy and intelligence in here. Fiery without being cultist.
Thanks for this. It gives me some confidence in the world.
Thanks for your question at the end of the talk Mehran... It was a particularly good way at rounding up thoughts and trying to make sense of how to move forward. Good man. And great thanks to Cory and finally well said Yanis about the rolling strikes against Amazon. Let's not forget that latter point, an important one.
Thank you Brian. I really think we need to discuss actionable solutions more. Will be doing much more of that in 2025.
Diem25 is always working...do not despair. Planets are aligning. We are not in total control. But we have plenty of self-control, if used. No?!
1984 was meant to be a warning, not a prophecy.
Make 1984 fiction again! Right?
Tell Bill Gates that.
Brilliant! ❤
Yanis' thinking is far ahead of our time.
Agree!
The minute I saw Cory was interviewed I started watching!
But did you look up the sources he talks about, and notice how completely and utterly he misrepresents it?
@1001stmonkey Not sure which sources you mean, there are so many. Could you please narrow your reference. I will gladly do further investigation then.
Brilliant really love Cory. You should try and get him and Whitney Web on at the same time. They would work so well together
Man he speaks so delicately and highlighted all the details.
Cyberpunk was a warning not a Suggestion but netwatch is the soloution 😂. Thx for the great ideas. As a german i hate how we dominante the EU with our 1890 Mindeset everywhere. Keep keep up the good work, we can use the web to turn this around.
Loved listening to Cory ^^ Great dude!
Thats very funny.."everybody for himself and me first"
What a programme! Very glad YT served me your show ;-)
I love the idea of transnational strikes against big tech companies that are too powerful.
Thank you for a very interesting, informative, important discussion 👍
Omfg two of my favourite thinkers i can’t wait to hear this. Almost makes me happy to commute lol
Excellent discussion
Like with any other corporation, don't consume their product/service. We give them the power.
No, the idea is to create alternatives so that we don't have to *use their platform*
You missed Yanis' main point. This isn't Capitalism. Amazon isn't selling any goods or services. It's the platform on which other businesses sell goods and services. More to the point - we are the means by which Amazon gains cloud capital. Just by walking down the street with my phone, they're getting capital power. I don't even have to visit Amazon for them to get free labour from me.
It's bigger and more powerful than many nations. It's a paradigm shift.
Thank you ❤
Γιάνη η ανάλυση σου είναι τόσο καλη και στοχευμένη..Δεν το χωράει το μου ότι δεν είμαστε στην βουλή.. Ντρέπομαι σαν ελληνιδα για την βουλή που έχουμε..Μα😮 είναι δυνατόν το ΜΕΡΑ25 να είναι εκτός.. Είμαστε και το πιστεύω ακράδαντα η απάντηση σε όλη αυτήν την φρενίτιδα σε όλον αυτόν τομ ιδεολογικό χυλό...CARPE DIEM ..FREE PALESTINE 🕊️✊
brilliant thinkers and talk
It seems like Elon is the guy we are seeing, whereas before these goon hid in the shadows, content to be rich without the famous. Elon's insecurities make him want to be the cool guy as well as the rich guy, so perhaps that could actually be a good thing for his follies being more visible to everyone and more people waking up to how this is actually what they are all doing (controlling govts and narratives and policy and economies) just not so obviously.
Gus you are loved❤. Greetings from London
The Musk/Bezos fascination with Banks and the Culture always felt so tragicomically obscene. They're classic Banks villains.
We're not going to enjoy techno feudalism.
You won't have to, don't worry. Cory would love you to, though. He literally twists reality, like its some macabre game, to try to gaslight you into believing the opposite of whats true.
Somewhat off topic but I listened to your guys' suggestion from the end of last year to watch Silo and even though I usually stay away from Sci-Fi, I'm more of a Lord of The Rings or Alfred Hitchcock or some political documentary type of guy, I truly, truly enjoyed it and it became one of my all time favorite shows. Now I'm just suffering until second season gets completed in a few days so I can watch that.
Thank you for explaining Starling and how slow it is when I know somebody who just thinks that Starlink is the best thing and Elon Musk did so much for everybody and how great Elon is so I didn’t hear the other side of Starlink. Thank you.
Wow what a super caring talk, there is hope!
Thanks a lot for this session - this was very inspiring! Personally I am very much in favor of the more optimistic and constructive perspective of Cory versus the fatalistic view of Yanis. Of course much of what he says is valid but I do not see the struggle for a solution. We in Europe are in such a dangerous dependency on all tech fronts (especially chips, OS, cloud infrastructure and cloud services) - it is simply embarrassing. But there is no reason in the world not to 1. get the big techs to pay full tax rate for every € they make here and 2. catch up starting from cloud infrastructure and services. And I do not see another place to make this happen different from the often criticized EU Commission hopefully staffed with more tough and competent people like Margrethe Vestager.
I am amazed that you are the only comment that sites Margrethe Vestager.
I think Musk is showing his true colors.
I always thought Peter Tiel is the more dangerous one. His worldview is way more dystopian. Elon just looks at himself. Tiel knows how he wants to deal with ‘useless’ people.
Great discussion
Well done gentlemen!
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MiA, too!