This is a terrific lesson. I hope AncientPathsTV will one day take the same info and make a 3hour lesson. There is so much here, that it seems hurried or condensed. Some areas need expansion badly (I need them expanded!) I've enjoyed this wonderful recording for more than 3 complete viewings. Thank you APTV!
I sat under DTS professors at JBU and have attended Baptist and Bible churches. The Lord led me to Christ Presbyterian in Flower Mound, TX. It has been quite a transition for me to learn the OPC beliefs and doctrines. This video was very helpful. I will share with others including my Pastor. Thank you so much for making this documentary.
This is the best and most helpful treatment of one of the most effective and destructive heresies the Church has faced. Excellent work, I’m very grateful.
This is very good. I am impressed with the amount of Biblically sound analysis of Dispensational rhetoric in this video. There needs to be more of this kind of precise documentation available. You have done a tremendous job. Thank you.
This video was so well thought through and structured. There was a lot to learn from this so I will have to watch it again soon. Whoever planned this and produced it should be congratulated!
Very interesting utube. Using various speakers actually speaking. Rabi Singer is such elegant lnoeledhable but denies JESUS YESHUA does Singer also denies.Isaih 29. ( v1 - Ariel - v10 "sleeps the deep sleep" - is thiscNOT Ariel Sharron who went into a 8yr comma when forced to give up Gazza (in Americian lead so cslled peace settlement) to deny this is to deny Singers Israel Hebrew connection. If admiting this then where are we in "HIS" story. Zeck 14 there is NO reserection. V 5 saints ( aslerp Lazuruis too. Math 27:52-53: dead and alive 1 Thes 4:14 "asleep" come with JESUS. - the 2 witnesses Enoch ( from first 1000 ) and Elijiah yes taken to higest heaven 3 rd heaven ) and those behesded.) NOT just once But walked with Adam and Eve HE came every 1000 yrs. 3 events on eachbside of the cross. Like the Menorah. Yes 7 events even 8th event Rev 21 after the 1000 yrs. NOT just 2nd coming. YESHUA JESUS stated "coming again" ( only ref to 2nd is more to do with HIM dying only "once for all" NOT repeatedly Romanastic Mass HE is NO longer on tye Cross. . Zeck 14:21 NO more Canaanite./ Romanastic lazyruis was deliberately reserected unroll daylight. ( for people to see in the 4th day ) Singer believes what? Ordix Jews still bekieve like the Apostles too much Egyot. Tgst what sporit hovers around 4 days. Noaha in contex with Lot both died after need resrrectrd. Math 27:52-53 is on Hebrew day called First Fruits is Rev 14:4. Yes will all be youtful virgins again. 1 Cor 15:53. we are NOT now inmortal but HE gives us gift of eternal life We then become inmortal. Calgary Ab Cdn 1 FourZero Three Eight Zero Threr Fortyone Twentyfour. Hope/ pray/ fast to C u's 2024 solar ecipse firms Capital " A " over all of North Americia. Only 7 yrs after ecipse went over 7 towns of ofvSalem crosses at Cairio Illnois ( little egypt River ran backward 1811 - yes straight firward Acts 16:11 ) Good talking with this utber. Well done utube. Hope to be able to work witj him about what Rabi Singer an Orfoz Jew trys to discredit Paul etc of New Tedtament. They looked forward. But now what? Nothing has happened for almost 2000 yrs now. But everything with happen ( after the 4 rd Temple ) in only 7 yrs really ? WALK in the LIGHT
This was fantastic. You covered so so much in this video! It really should be called Fullfillment theology instead of Replacement theology. My husband and I were just pushed out of a local bible study because we shared truth about dispensationlism and the group refused to listen. In my small town in Arizona, ALL the churches here teach rapture junk and dispensationlism. Your video is even more relevant today! Thank you so much. This was such a blessing to watch.
Definitely FULFILMENT theology. John's gospel speaks of TRUE bread, vine, etc. The former wasn't false, but was only a type. Also, great video. Thank you for your service!!!
@@biblehistoryscience3530 We've been grafted into the same olive tree (Romans 11) and are now sons of Abraham (Galatians 3). We who were strangers and aliens from the commonwealth of Israel have been brought near through the blood of Christ (Ephesians 2). It's not a replacement, but an expansion of Israel. Abraham has been made the father of many goyim and heir of the world (Romans 4).
@@ancientpathstvWhen you covered the part about mysticism you nailed the heresy of not just dispensationalism but ALL Futurist eschatologies. I criticized even ppl like Pastor Doug Wilson, InspiringPhilosophy's Mike Jones and many others for their Post-millennialism. I think Dr. Gary Demar is coming around to the truth. That truth being a cross between full preterism and amillennialism. I have yet to work out the details.
I got an apologetics degree at Biola, one of the main Dispensationalist schools. Ryrie was required reading. It was so convoluted and twisted I could not get my head around it. Never really adopted it and became a Reformed Covenant guy with some help from R.C. Sproul's ministry.😀
Hello from the OPC's tame Anglican. I'm glad you've put this out as promised. The issue, having come out of one of MacArthur's sermons, arose amongst my friends a few weeks ago. Perfect timing. Almost like Divine Providence or something!
To suppose that the Israel being discussed in Isaiah 52 and 53 must be the physical nation of Israel is to suppose that at least the book of Judges (not to mention all the other books in which Israel is judged for sin) is fiction, for it is said in ch. 53 that the suffering servant "had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth". Anyone who can apply this to the nation of Israel is a blind fool, twisting the scriptures to their own destruction. Isaiah 53 can only be about Christ and therefore He alone is the true Israel of God, the seed to whom all the promises are made. That being the case, I call upon all dispensationalists to stop replacing Christ with that disobedient nation.
@@gerard4870 Origen was a univeralist, something that most orthodox theologians would regard as a heresy worthy of discipline if not excommunication. You plead for a 'literal reading', but the hermeneutic you advocate for is in fact one that is imposed onto the text from a premise of rejecting the typology and fuller, spiritual meaning drawn from Old Testament passages by the apostles. Thus, dispensationalists read OT prophecies concerning Israel just as an unbelieving 1st century Jew would, heedless of the apostolic hermeneutic that properly interprets these promises in light of Christ's advent and His renovation of the covenant people. The church, i.e. the elect people of God in all ages, composed of both Jewish and Gentile believers, is said by Paul to be "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-6). If this be the case, then all of the promises given to Israel pertaining to Messiah's redemptive work, the ingathering and exaltation of God's people, and the triumphant reign of the Davidic king are not solely in reference to the Jewish nation, but likewise extends to them who the LORD calls "My people" that formerly were not His people, and them who are called "sons of the Living God" (Romans 9:26). As a result, the things spoken of by the prophets concerning Israel that did not come to pass in the former days, before Messiah was revealed, but which are plainly eschatological in nature have reference NOT to the Israel of the flesh (that nation of unbelieving Jews the bulk of whom were cut off and driven out of the vineyard on account of their unbelief, per Matthew 21:33-46), but to the Israel of God; that is, the ἐκκλησία or church. The unity of God's chosen people throughout the Old and New Testaments is the reason why Paul can so strongly state to the Roman church that "For whatever was written in the past was all written for our instruction, so that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope." (Romans 15:4) Were the OT prophecies addressing Israel meant solely for the Jews, no such thing could rightly be said. This is why dispensationalism is such a pestilential heresy. It rends the Old Testament from the New, muddies the waters so far as Law and Gospel are concerned, and makes the New Testament believer a second-class citizen in God's moral economy and redemptive purposes; a side project or one-off, in comparison to the detailed eschatological program laid out for the Jews. As Arthur W. Pink once said, dispensationalism, in whatever form, steals the bread that the Heavenly Father has specially prepared for the building up and nourishment of His children, and casts it before swine. Those clever Zionists who presently preside as leaders of the secular Israeli state know this too, and that's why AIPAC financially supports fundamentalist churches who peddle in this kind of hogwash. Blind support for the state of Israel is conflated with Christian duty and piety, when that sort of partiality on account of one's descent is explicitly condemned in Scripture itself (Matthew 3:9; Romans 2:11-16, 27-29; Acts 10:34-43).
@@gerard4870 It is impossible to interpret the Bible literally because a literal interpretation would contradict itself. For instance, in Genesis, God created the sun on the 4th day. What is the meaning of a day if there is no sun? Genesis also has the story about Adam being created first and then Eve being made from his rib. But then it says in Genesis 5: "When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind”[a] when they were created." Without context, these lines make it sound like he made them at the same time. I think the obvious interpretation is that is just a summary of what was described before, but that's not what it literally means without context. There are also lines in the Bible (I won't bother to look them up) where it says stuff like, "In David's day". Unless this is talking about David's birthday or implying that David only lived for 1 day, then lines like these cannot be interpreted literally. There are very many lines that are incomprehensible when interpreted literally. The original poster is right that if "Israel" is described as being sinless, whereas the nation of Israel committed very many sins in the past, then the two Israels described here cannot possibly be the same thing .
@@brendangolledge8312 there is no identity of a "gentile israel" in the bible. There are sons of, or children of abraham, but that is not to be confused with israel.
This is rich! It's dense with quotes, covers so much material, is well balanced, and provides sound arguments. I've watched the first 20 mins about 5 times and the whole thing once. I feel like if I'm going to get a strong enough grasp that I'll need to watch the entire thing several times over. Might just be the best documentary I've ever seen. I feel like I could even share it with my dispy friends because, unlike others, it's mostly just history and sound biblical argumentation, instead of a full-throttle attack.
Part 1/2 Here's the problem, it's all a lie. I always say if you want poor theology read Christians from 1000-1800AD. The problem is that Christians don't actually study, they assume and then build their own understanding. Now we can debate the topic, I have no issue but if someone comes and says here's what Christians have taught and they don't even consider what we call "Dispensational Premillennialism" today they have no clue about Scripture of what early Christians taught. Let's deal with Premillennialism first, because that goes back to Genesis. Genesis 2:15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Now we know Adam ate. So did he die in the subsequent 24 hours? No. Genesis 5:5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. (930 years old) So is GOD a liar? No. It's a clue. Genesis 3 the punishment for the sin. 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life...19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.” The curse was that we would toil and work the earth by the sweat of our brow, and we would be mortals who died. Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Adam lived 930 years which is just less than 1000 years. Psalm 90:For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night. 2 Peter 3: 8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. This isn't an allegory it's a cipher a ratio to understand Scripture. 1 heavenly day = 1000 earthly years. So Adam died in the "day" year 1-1000 he was created (year 930). year 1000 end of Day 1. Abraham year 2000 from Creation (end of Day 2). David year 3000 from Creation (end of Day 3). Now we can debate whether Jesus's crucifixion (32AD) or the destruction of the Temple (70AD) was the year 4000 but we are now 2000 years later (approx) so we are approaching the year 6000 (2032-2070AD). 6 days or 6000 years we will toil until the LORD's return and He establishes His kingdom for 1000 years. Why 1000? To complete the 7000 year plan of redemption before eternity. 6000 years from Adam and Eve to the 2nd Coming + 1000 years for the Millennial Kingdom. Early Christian writings. Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81 Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6 I could go on with many more references but you get the idea. (continued in Part 2)
Part 2/2 As far as what we call "Dispensationalism" most Christians can't define it but what they say it contains are things like a literal reading of Scripture, That Israel and the Church are separate, the Rapture, a 7 year period or Tribulation, and an Antichrist. Well, we have over 100 chapters of early Christian writings discussing these ideas post-70AD. The lineage of disciples: Apostle John taught Polycarp. Polycarp taught Irenaeus, and Irenaeus taught Hippolytus. Irenaeus (about 180 AD) wrote a 5 volume work called “Against Heresies” “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 (notice literal Temple) Hippolytus (170-235AD): On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "Above all, moreover, he will love the nation of the Jews. And with all these he will work signs and terrible wonders, false wonders and not true, in order to deceive his impious equals. For if it were possible, he would seduce even the elect from the love of Christ. But in his first steps he will be gentle, loveable, quiet, pious, pacific, hating injustice, detesting gifts, not allowing idolatry; loving, says he, the Scriptures, reverencing priests, honoring his elders, repudiating fornication, detesting adultery, giving no heed to slanders, not admitting oaths, kind to strangers, kind to the poor, compassionate. And then he will work wonders, cleansing lepers, raising paralytics, expelling demons, proclaiming things remote just as things present, raising the dead, helping widows, defending orphans, loving all, reconciling in love men who contend, and saying to such, “Let not the sun go down upon your wrath;” Ephesians 4:26 and he will not acquire gold, nor love silver, nor seek riches. And at first, indeed, that deceitful and lawless one, with crafty deceitfulness, will refuse such glory; but the men persisting, and holding by him, will declare him king. And thereafter he will be lifted up in heart, and he who was formerly gentle will become violent, and he who pursued love will become pitiless, and the humble in heart will become haughty and inhuman, and the hater of unrighteousness will persecute the righteous. Then, when he is elevated to his kingdom, he will marshal war; and in his wrath he will smite three mighty kings, - those, namely, of Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia. And after that he will build the temple in Jerusalem (notice literal Temple), and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away. Behold, ye who love God, what manner of tribulation there shall rise in those days, such as has not been from the foundation of the world, no, nor ever shall be, except in those days alone. Then the lawless one, being lifted up in heart, will gather together his demons in man’s for, and will abominate those who call him to the kingdom, and will pollute many souls. Section 23-25 Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist" "Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week, therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half. For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8 The Rapture: Irenaeus 180AD “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” “Against Heresies 5.29 Ephrem 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD Lactantius in the second century between 100-200AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 (which is prior to the 7 years) is when "the Church shall be taken away” Victorinus a bishop who lived in 240AD (martyred 304AD) also wrote "And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up, for the heaven to be rolled away, that is, the Church shall be taken away. And the mountain and the islands removed from their places..." It's sad to me, that so many Christians have no clue about this topic, and they ignore reality. Genesis 18 shows us a fundamental flaw in most views of Eschatology. We know God's Judgment will come. But Abraham shows us why we cannot be here when it does. 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” 26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.” John 3:36, Romans 5:8-9, 1 Thessalonians 5:8-11. All show us that by the blood of Jesus we are spared from the LORD's wrath. That despite the sins of Sodom the LORD would have spared it all for the sake of 10 righteous people. There weren't 10 righteous people so He removed them and then sent His Judgment. There are Christians all over the world and for the Lord's Judgment to come, He will first have to remove the righteous. My views aren't based on a denomination or because of an American view, it's because I have actually studied the topic. And reality right now is showing us. We see the world becoming more wicked, the world is on the verge of another world war right now, and the LORD's judgment will come soon, the question we have to ask is how will He deal with the righteous all over the world when His judgment comes over all the world? Simple John 14:1-6. He's been preparing for us a place in Heaven and will come and Harpazo us out of here before it does. I hope this helps. Take care.
Great! Thank you for your faithful presentation of Biblical truth presented with humility and hope. It must have taken ages to produce this, but it was worth it!
Thank you for this balanced and very well researched summary of the title subject. This is one of the best productions of its kind that I have found thus far, and I'm pleased that I may unreservedly recommend it to my own family, and my brothers and sisters in Christ.
@ 1:21 : 20 Amen Amen Amen. Jesus / Yahshua is the true ISRAEL This is a very well done presentation, thank you. Christ has already won this battle field, He just hasn't cashed in the last day yet, because He loves us all and is RIGHTEOUS
Amen! Excellent documentary! May Dispensationalists and us as well, learn to allow Scripture to shape our system of belief and not the other way around. Alll glory, praise, and honor to the Lord Jesus Christ, the One True Israel of God!
I haven’t watched the video because of the comments. if a Christian doesn’t have the view or at least considers Dispensational premillennialism as biblical truth, they have no clue about Scripture or Early Christian doctrine. There are multiple sources of early doctrine that show they were dispensational premillennialists. More so on the premillennialists side but enough of clear dispensationalists. For example the Apostle John discipled Polycarp and Polycarp discipled Irenaeus who was a clear dispensational premillennialists in 180Ad. His disciple Hippolytus wrote 2 books of over 100 sections/chapters giving us great details on the topic which is very clearly dispensational premillennialists. What’s sad is that Christians have to twist scripture to make their ideologies work.
@@mbfrommb3699 May I suggest one carefully watch the video before even commenting. Premillennialist thought was indeed present in the early church. It was however, Historic Premillenialism, which is different from Dispensational Premillenialism. The latter only surfaced around 200 years ago with origins that are quite questionable. Thank you.
@@ancientpathstv im not afraid. This isn’t an attack against you. The reality is the Lord will unfold the future one way. Either all our views are wrong and based on falsehoods or only 1 is correct. Hes laid it all out for us in Scripture the problem is that most Christians don’t know the basic format of Scripture which is that from Adam and Eve to the 2nd coming is 6000 years + 1000 years of a literal millennial reign on earth (Zechariah 14, etc) For 7000 years or heavenly 7 days. Scripture covers a finite period of time which goes from creation to eternity. Understanding the format we can then see 4000 years of fulfilled prophecy and how it’s to be understood. I am not here to attack you personally as I don’t know you. I will watch your video but starting with Darby as many often do completely causes a falsehood to be believed. Darby sure had his beliefs but far too many Christian’s think that Dispensational premill was invented by him or that it’s only a few hundred years old. It’s not. It’s over 2500 years old. First spoken of in Daniel. Human beings whether they’re Jews or Gentiles all face the same issues. Time and the enemy = false doctrines. From Moses to Jesus the Pharisees (1,300 years) got their theology all wrong because they had adopted slowly over time false doctrines. That it blinded them to the prophecy Jesus was fulfilling in real time in front of them. Christians are no different. We all know about 400 ad a lot of false doctrines had become a part of Christianity. But now in the era of the most amount of prophecies coming to pass in real time (I’ve tracked about 100 in my life). I’ve predicted a number of things in advance because of Scripture over the last 7-8 years. I have also referenced both Scripture and the disciples of the Apostles who wrote more on the topic than I have especially Hippolytus. The problem with Americans and the West is that they love their entertainment. So there are a lot of guesses and incomplete understanding of the topic and the constant Rapture dates have also caused a lot of doubt. I criticize everyone for these things not just you. The reality though is that the Lord since January 30, 2020 has actively been collapsing the West. Nothing is by accident and the only reason that He has begun to do this is because His people are wicked. 2 Chronicles 7:14. Instead of healing the nations, He’s divided them. He’s showing us Mark 3:24 and Joel 3:1-2. Like I said this is not an attack on you. And I am not saying I agree with all dispensational views but it’s the one that explains the global economic collapse and world war we are rapidly marching toward and knowing that the Lord is dividing all the nations tells me, the world will not be spared. This isn’t one country or one empire but all of them. The US, Europe, China and finally Russia. Maybe I prejudged your video but most Eschatological views aren’t taking reality into account. Take xare
A great and thorough video, thank you. This is good information when dealing with dispensational believers from many free christian and pentecostal backgrounds here in scandinavia. Best regards from a finnish confessional lutheran.
Excellent video that will require a few re-viewings. Follow the money donated to all U.S. dispensationalist seminaries, Dallas Theological being the largest benefactor by many millions, from the Jewish mysticism/Kabbalist crowd over at Chabad.
A fair thing to point out is that not all anabaptists were the same, they had a wide range of views. Muntzer was the most fanatic of all anabaptists and sadly was the "uniform" view that a lot of people had of anabaptists afterwards, even up until the First London Baptist Confession they were "wrongly called anabaptist".
@@John3.36 so all of the history that was presented in this documentary was false in your view? Seems he substantiated everything very well. There may have been victors, but it is a non-sequitor to suggest that all the documented history that followed was skewed. The reality is that even if they did not have foes of opposing views on Baptism and Covenant, many times they killed each other for minor disagreements. This has always been the case, and continues to be today (perhaps without bloodshed) between all Baptists. They are always horribly divided, fighting about everything, and splitting over the most minor things. Proof? Look no further than the mess that is the SBC.
Brilliant video brother ! This has given me such hope because it is the position I’ve argued for many mth against those of the Darby theology! I new I was correct and held to true doctrine ! Amen thank you Lord for leading me into all truth
Excellent work. I teach about some of this in my classes. Our textbooks treat the Anabaptists as only the receivers of persecution, but downplay the radicals. This is helpful.
You can easily get more information from the Anabaptist movement by going to Scroll Publishing, Sound Faith, or other Anabaptist RUclips channels. Our movement is at least as old as the Protestants, and survived their efforts to annihilate us.
Wow...awesome vid. I have a book I absolutely know you'd love. After leaving twenty years of dispensationalism, God revealed to me starting ten years ago, the things you mention here and other nuggets I think you'd greatly appreciate.
It's funny how God seems to be revealing contradictory and mutually exclusive things to people all the time. At least that's the impression I get from reading RUclips comments.
As much as I appreciate the hard work and research that has gone into this and will need to watch about 10x to take in all the information, please, please, please do not make us wait so long for the next video.
*_Manuel De Lacunza, S.J. (July 19, 1731 - c. June 18, 1801) was a Jesuit priest who used the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra in his main work on the interpretation of the prophecies of the Bible, which was entitled The Coming of the Messiah in Majesty and Glory. This is where Darby got many of his ideas._* *_Edward Irving is the one who translated his writings into English, he also believed in a pre-trib rapture around the same time as Darby. He was another heretic who started the catholic apostolic church where the ecstatic tongue speaking came from, way before the Pentecostal movement._* Thank you for your research. I have added these two points which I researched as support. If I am wrong in any details, please feel free to correct me. God Bless
I didn't know about any of this. This is not covered in any school or church I've ever attended. I learned a lot here. I have a good friend who promoted the ideas of dispensationalism to me. I didn't know anything about it, as I had never heard the word before. I hope many more Christian people see this video, so that they are not led astray. Thank you.
Thank you! Sadly most American "Protestants" have little to no idea what the Reformation was all about. You might also enjoy this. ruclips.net/video/3AplWYXFiCA/видео.html
This is incredible! I appreciate the referencing of MacArthur here because it’s very easy to dunk on Darby and to claim “progressive dispensationalism” is unrelated, but tying these two together is essential to converse with modern proponents of the view.
- followed MacArthur for years, bought his books. John is good at criticizing others. He's not good on Church history nor insightful about the Christian faith. John is good at turning Christianity into a club. I figured out there is no Grace to You in Grace Church. It's all works. I went to his website and looked up his definition of the Gospel, and then I put John aside and no longer follow him.
@@rbelf001 As a Calvinist, he is outside the Christian Orthodoxy. If you believe Zion and the Church are the same, however, you need to read Paul's distinction between the two in Romans 11.
@@PETERJOHN101Calvinists are the same as the Reformers theologically. And same for the ancient Waldensians who are part of the Reformed theological tradition. Same with Augustine, Church Father. You have no history, no roots, you are the outlier, not "Calvinists". I'd question your own salvation, and we will rest in assurance of our own.
Overall a lot of historical and scriptural insight that was very useful. I think you also should've mentioned Manuel Lacunza's writings and how Edward Irving based his theology off of that
Dispensationalists actually love to debate that, because they can muddy the waters with counter-claims. I prefer to keep things simple and harder to refute.
The video helps explain why our Christian leaders are so impotent when it comes to addressing the cultural issues ripping our nation apart. They either do not know their church history or don't want to rock the boat in their churches by dealing with hard issues from a biblical perspective. Especially if they are close to retirement. Also, discussing Zionism is the third rail of destruction for pastors. In the mean time, the nation goes to hell in a handbasket and we important impotent dispensationalism to other nations which will corrupt them as well. no wonder God is judging our nation!
The only thing this video helps me see is that the one narrating it is a liar. Anabaptist have always been against all forms of violence and don't even believe in defending yourself or your family against an attack from someone. It was Martin Luther and John Calvin whose followers persecuted and took up arms against them and gave them the name in the first place as a slang term the way the Jews and Romans first called Christians the name as a derogatory term. This is not a documentary against but rather a documentary against the truth. There are plenty of good documentaries against dispensationalism that I agree with completely but this is completely Ludacris!
This was a fantastic documentary. I'm going to check out your other content. I learned from dispensationalists to have the highest regard for God's word and the utmost importance of proper hermeneutics. That being said I never really studied the system in depth rather I just accepted it and absorbed it from my former pastor, my professors at bible college, and listening to preachers like MacArthur and pastors who taught at my school. Since I began studying covenant theology and getting my theology in bounds with historic creeds and confessions I have been able to take the high regard for Scripture and its interpretation and apply that to a system which is more biblical and historical.
Singer was being quite disingenuous in skipping over Isaiah 42, where Israel is called a failed servant and and it talks about a coming faithful servant, that is, the suffering servant found in chapter 53.
Dispensationalists' literalism is very selective. See, e.g., Rev. 1:1: "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants *the things that must soon take place."* Or 1:3: "Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, *for the time is near."* Or 1:7: "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, *even those who pierced him,* and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him." All of these point, at face value, to something that's happening very soon--within the lifetimes of those who crucified Jesus. And under the dispensational view, none of them has happened in almost 2000 years. There are surely ways of reading these verses that account for this, but they aren't literal--which means the true situation isn't, as they claim, "we take the Bible literally and you don't," but rather "we read these passages literally and interpret others in light of them, while you read different passages literally and interpret others in light of them."
Dispensationalists also argue that instead of a literal 490 years that there's a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel which is nowhere mentioned in the text.
This is very good! Growing up in a Covenant-theology preaching Presbyterianism, I became fascinated by dispensationalism a few years ago in college when I wanted to figure out why my beliefs on eschatology, sacraments, and baptism were so much different from my friends, who claimed to be reformed but seemed a far cry away from what I knew to be reformed. The rabbit hole just got deeper and deeper - it really impacts so much. Reading the Church Fathers cemented things for me. And led me to Orthodoxy 😅. My husband and I are pretty definitely going to become catechumens soon. Haha! Funny how things go, I feel like I can somewhat attribute learning about the covenantalism/dispensationalism split as an instigating factor. Going to view your video on Orthodoxy shortly! I’ve been seeking a refutation of it from a Reformed perspective for a while.
Thank you for the compliment. We actually have two videos on Eastern Orthodoxy. Please watch them both and feel free to contact me through the church website. Like Dispensationalism, Eastern Orthodoxy can sound good, until the whole story is told. Sadly, many "Covenant-theology preaching Presbyterian" churches have forgotten a lot of what the Reformation was about. Our faith isn't an historic novelty. We stand with Athanasius and Jerome on the Old Testament canon. We stand with the Synod of Elvira and Council of Hieria on icons. We stand with Tertullian on the perpetual virginity of Mary. We stand with the Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus on penal substitutionary atonement. Eastern Orthodoxy disagrees with us and these fathers and councils on all these. The simple reality is that church fathers and even supposedly ecumenical councils have contradicted one another. The question becomes what standard do we use to know the truth. Our ultimate authority is the written testimony of the apostles, while theirs is an oral tradition that contradicts itself and the Scriptures. Remember, no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po Dr. MacArthur has repeatedly identified himself with "the Anabaptists," without qualification. It's not slander to demonstrate what the Anabaptists actually believed, and the video includes not just Munster revolutionaries, but also the pacifist Swiss Brethren. You call me your brother, but also say your an Orthodox catechumen. That church anathematizes me and calls for me to be "unforgiven in this life and next," so you might want to reconsider your definition of "arrogance." Josiah Trenham excused his apostasy by the growing liberalism of the PCA, but as demonstrated in our videos, he exchanged new lies for old. The answer to the PCA's problems is Biblical reformation and discipline, not the schism of Dispensationalism, nor the heresy of Eastern Orthodoxy. Unlike both groups, we have no fear of letting all the facts be seen. I encourage you to watch both our Eastern Orthodox videos and try to answer them with more than the bluster that's characterized its critics so far. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
Could you please do a video dealing with Wesley’s statements in “The Wisdom of God’s Counsels” on Montanus and Pelagius, calling them holy men of their times? Also his statement that “Christianity and Heathenism are so throughly incorporated with each other that they will hardly ever be divided till Christ comes to reign upon earth” in his writing “Of Former Things.” I have a rather charitable view of Wesley and the Methodist tradition, but find both these statements to be rather troubling, particularly the first.
The version of the story that I read was that Constantine had his son executed because the step mother had persuaded Constantine that his eldest son, also a military commander, was plotting his overthrow. Later he learned that he had been deceived.
Yeah the fact he had her scalded to death in a bathhouse says to me he was decieved and in incalculable grief by Fausta. And he did not take her plotting well.
So well done! You have increased my conviction confessional Protestantism is desperately needed to correct the course of the church, and my appreciation for what the Reformation has given to us all.
Welcome! Kim Riddlebarger's The Case for Amillennialism and Keith Mathison's Postmillennialism will help get you oriented to the two main positions in historic Protestantism.
I just wish you had titled each speaker. I think I recognized Dave Hunt, but was Paige Patterson in there toward the beginning? I kept hoping for the name to pop up
If you email me through the church website, I can send you a scan of the original letter from the Rylands Library. I don't have the source handy, but he elsewhere said, "My friends affirm I am mad, because I said I was not a Christian a year ago. I affirm I am not a Christian now ... For a Christian is one who has the fruits of the Spirit of Christ, which (to mention no more) are love, peace, joy ... And I feel this moment I do not love God ... joy in the Holy Ghost I have not ... though I have constantly used all the means of grace for twenty years, I am not a Christian."
Clearly a labor of love that is both compelling and convicting. It is also erudite in its comprehensive scope and in its wide array of sources, from Dave Hunt to Tovia Singer (talk about strange bedfellows!)! I am like other posters who admired the Anabaptists uncritically, having seen the movie The Radicals about Michael Sattler and having read some of The Martyrs' Mirror. I was shocked that Christians embraced and lionized the psychopathic mass murderer John Brown! I learned a lot of history and had my presuppositions challenged. I appreciate your investment of research and time, Pastor Wallace. Blessings!
Great video! Very informative and helpful. As a Reformed Postmillennial, over-against the liberal version of Charles Finney, I found myself heartily agreeing with your interpretations and conclusions of what we should be doing. Keep on bringing sanity into the mess of confusion around us, brothers!
Thank you for this excellent documentary! It is clear that in Church history many movements have arisen to deny or modify or impose some variation to the Word of God. It is concerning to me, especially since dispensationalism is still the prevalent view of believers in today's American evangelicalism, that the subtleties and the more obvious incongruencies remain unexplained and largely glossed over by prominent dispensationalists. Also concerning to me is the persistent influences of dispensationalism in weird and unbiblical practices. Would it be too unkind to call this movement a heresy? This is a sincere question. I am not persuaded that it is not.
Thank you for the kind note. Dispensationalism is clearly a serious error, but I wouldn't call it a heresy. I personally try to avoid such labels; they tend to shut down communication. My conviction is that if I speak the truth in love, those with ears to hear will receive it.
@@ancientpathstv Thank you for your reply. When the Lord saved me, I entered the Church in one of the Assemblies of God most prominent congregations in my area. Dispensationalism was the view point I embraced because there were no presentations or mentions in the church about the Amil or Postmil view, and even the Premil view was distinguished from the firmly held dispensational position. I basically knew next to nothing about these things, even though I read the Bible. I now see that the issue of dividing the Word of God as per JN Darby was the way the Bible was taught. I also was ignorant of other doctrines of the Bible and didn't have an appreciation for the issues that brought forth the Reformation. So I was in the dark about many things. I wish I would have heard about the origins of dispensationalism sooner, but as it is I thank the Lord that He brought my family out of that teaching. Heresy is a more technical term, and its definition points to unorthodoxy upending much of what was arrived at over centuries. But I do see that if that word were to be used to describe the origins of that viewpoint, many would think that the word is being applied to individuals even to include the motives of their heart. Sad that in today's conversations a believer can't in many occasions be precise with language without something bad ensuing. Thank you again for your research and documentary. Many blessings!
This is documentary was needed. It will be great to add subtitles in other languages like Spanish, where much of dispensationalism is at. Maybe dubbing it in Spanish and other languages in the future could be helpful for the kingdom.
I am dispensationalist who is very fond of CI Scofield, Lewis Sperry Chafer (protégé of Scofield), & Charles F. Baker (protégé of Chafer). I appreciate your critiques, and also the work that has gone into such a historical investigation. As I believe it is the scriptures that makes me a dispensationalist, it is also the scriptures, which bring me to correct the escapism and seclusion that John Nelson Darby promoted. As the catching up is imminent, I do not know if there is 100 more years, 1000 more years, 2000 more years, or two more years until Christ returns for his body. Therefore, I will adore and glorify the triune God, with all of my brethren, even those who are not dispensational. I also will seek to not allow Satan to overtake the realms of our society, but I will do what the Pauline revelation commands me to, and that is the proliferate all of life and society with the glory of God.
I am convinced that the heresy of Northern Finneyites led directly to the death of the Civil War and the disorder and anarchy of Reconstruction. Could have been handled much better without those fools on the scene.
As I recall, Jesus told his disciples to leave one city and move onto the next as persecution increased. Eventually many of them were executed and martyred, but fleeing an area and setting up roots elsewhere was by no means a "wrong" answer either. Denying Christ and becoming like the pagans is one thing, but leaving and going to a new region where persecution was less is by no means a bad thing. Jesus literally told the Christians living in Jerusalem and the surrounding areas to flee when the Romans came. And they did just that, fulfilling Jesus's warning. "Refusing remarriage for widows" Ugh of course. That's such a ludicrous addition as well. The Apostle Paul literally says that the younger widows should remarry. It wasn't even wrong for the older widows to remarry should they wish, but it wasn't quite as important as younger widows who still had plenty of time to build a family.
Ah now we're defending Calvanism as well. Lovely. I knew it was coming, though, after some of the dialogue earlier. I disagree with Darby, but I also understand where he was coming from. The church became so divided over the years over there many different interpretations that he basically lost any and all hope that God's church had succeeded.
Excellent video! Thank you. Though I would say that the part at the end with hades/sheol is not clear cut. Of course saints today don't go there. But a case can be made that before Christ's death, people would go to that intermediate place, and that Christ went there to bring them up. That would make Moses, Enoch, and Elijah specific cases (maybe others). I don't think we can reject that out of hand.
I agree. I was trying to keep things simple and under two hours, so I didn't engage the issue of an intermediate state before Christ's resurrection, but kept the focus on the Premillennialists advocating for it afterwards. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv you're right, documentary was excellent. Learned a lot of new things.I especially enjoyed the last part with the biblical response to some of premil's claims. It was amazing.
As many have said already excellent documentary. Not sure if you are aware but there is this thing called the Mandela effect, whereby some believe that somethings have been changed because of CERN experiments, so that even phrases in the bible have been changed. One of those phrases is; the lion shall lay down with the lamb, Isaiah 11:6, but it is not lion it is wolf. Which you too misquote at 138:49 of video. Isaiah 11:6 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them." Not that I buy into such nonsense, but it is certainly a well establish misquote and interesting to see how common it is. I also noticed you didn't list the scripture when you were saying it. Once again very good work putting all this information together. It was quite depressing to see how many have time the world has used the church to prop up some worldly agenda, or the "church" has been deceived thinking they can be literally perfect as Messiah is.
This Mandela Effect is actually deliberate. That's thanks to the British aristocracy's enlightenment OBSESSION with Israelism by men like Isaac Newton; AND the myth that they Brits are descended from the lost Tribe of Ephraim, AND their Glastonbury - Arthurian legends. Thus...a misreading of scripture has been popularized as 'the lion (Britain) lays down with the lamb, (modern Israel)' restoring and protecting Israel. All propaganda that created Balfour etc.
1:16:40 Dispys actually LOVE the illustration of the Olive Tree and grafting in, but they also misinterpret it so much. Their system is less like grafting, and more like God switching to another tree before it dies out and he returns to the first tree. And yet they're the ones accusing people of "replacement theology," they can't even coherently express other views without applying their own lens to it.
Dispensationalism has replaced Christ with a reconstituted national Israel as the centrepiece of sacred biblical prophecy. ✔️
What so many fail to see is that Jesus is the true Israel, and all who are in Him are sons and daughters of Abraham.
@@ancientpathstv “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” ~ Galatians 3:29
@@ancientpathstv that couldn't be more true! Are you a-millennial? I am now on a journey from pre to a Millenniumism.
Gods blessing
@@lionegberts I'm an optimistic amillenialist. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv I am leaning to that as well.
I just listened a full podcast with four dispensationalists. I'm rinsing it off by listening to this again.
This is a terrific lesson. I hope AncientPathsTV will one day take the same info and make a 3hour lesson. There is so much here, that it seems hurried or condensed. Some areas need expansion badly (I need them expanded!) I've enjoyed this wonderful recording for more than 3 complete viewings. Thank you APTV!
I sat under DTS professors at JBU and have attended Baptist and Bible churches. The Lord led me to Christ Presbyterian in Flower Mound, TX. It has been quite a transition for me to learn the OPC beliefs and doctrines. This video was very helpful. I will share with others including my Pastor. Thank you so much for making this documentary.
Thank you for the kind encouragement!
This is the best and most helpful treatment of one of the most effective and destructive heresies the Church has faced. Excellent work, I’m very grateful.
Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!
This is very good. I am impressed with the amount of Biblically sound analysis of Dispensational rhetoric in this video. There needs to be more of this kind of precise documentation available. You have done a tremendous job. Thank you.
Thank you!
This video was so well thought through and structured. There was a lot to learn from this so I will have to watch it again soon. Whoever planned this and produced it should be congratulated!
Thank you!
@@ivanhoe7058 I'm thrilled to hear. The church website has my email and phone number. www.gospelutah.org
Very interesting utube. Using various speakers actually speaking. Rabi Singer is such elegant lnoeledhable but denies JESUS YESHUA does Singer also denies.Isaih 29. ( v1 - Ariel - v10 "sleeps the deep sleep" - is thiscNOT Ariel Sharron who went into a 8yr comma when forced to give up Gazza (in Americian lead so cslled peace settlement) to deny this is to deny Singers Israel Hebrew connection. If admiting this then where are we in "HIS" story. Zeck 14 there is NO reserection. V 5 saints ( aslerp Lazuruis too. Math 27:52-53: dead and alive 1 Thes 4:14 "asleep" come with JESUS. - the 2 witnesses Enoch ( from first 1000 ) and Elijiah yes taken to higest heaven 3 rd heaven ) and those behesded.) NOT just once But walked with Adam and Eve HE came every 1000 yrs. 3 events on eachbside of the cross. Like the Menorah. Yes 7 events even 8th event Rev 21 after the 1000 yrs. NOT just 2nd coming. YESHUA JESUS stated "coming again" ( only ref to 2nd is more to do with HIM dying only "once for all" NOT repeatedly Romanastic Mass HE is NO longer on tye Cross. . Zeck 14:21 NO more Canaanite./ Romanastic lazyruis was deliberately reserected unroll daylight. ( for people to see in the 4th day ) Singer believes what? Ordix Jews still bekieve like the Apostles too much Egyot. Tgst what sporit hovers around 4 days. Noaha in contex with Lot both died after need resrrectrd. Math 27:52-53 is on Hebrew day called First Fruits is Rev 14:4. Yes will all be youtful virgins again. 1 Cor 15:53. we are NOT now inmortal but HE gives us gift of eternal life We then become inmortal. Calgary Ab Cdn 1 FourZero Three Eight Zero Threr Fortyone Twentyfour. Hope/ pray/ fast to C u's 2024 solar ecipse firms Capital " A " over all of North Americia. Only 7 yrs after ecipse went over 7 towns of ofvSalem crosses at Cairio Illnois ( little egypt River ran backward 1811 - yes straight firward Acts 16:11 ) Good talking with this utber. Well done utube. Hope to be able to work witj him about what Rabi Singer an Orfoz Jew trys to discredit Paul etc of New Tedtament. They looked forward. But now what? Nothing has happened for almost 2000 yrs now. But everything with happen ( after the 4 rd Temple ) in only 7 yrs really ? WALK in the LIGHT
This was fantastic. You covered so so much in this video! It really should be called Fullfillment theology instead of Replacement theology. My husband and I were just pushed out of a local bible study because we shared truth about dispensationlism and the group refused to listen. In my small town in Arizona, ALL the churches here teach rapture junk and dispensationlism. Your video is even more relevant today! Thank you so much. This was such a blessing to watch.
Thank you!
Typically it is referred to as fulfillment theology. "replacement theology" is a strawman argument pushed by dispensationalists.
Definitely FULFILMENT theology. John's gospel speaks of TRUE bread, vine, etc. The former wasn't false, but was only a type.
Also, great video. Thank you for your service!!!
@@biblehistoryscience3530 We've been grafted into the same olive tree (Romans 11) and are now sons of Abraham (Galatians 3). We who were strangers and aliens from the commonwealth of Israel have been brought near through the blood of Christ (Ephesians 2). It's not a replacement, but an expansion of Israel. Abraham has been made the father of many goyim and heir of the world (Romans 4).
@@ancientpathstvWhen you covered the part about mysticism you nailed the heresy of not just dispensationalism but ALL Futurist eschatologies. I criticized even ppl like Pastor Doug Wilson, InspiringPhilosophy's Mike Jones and many others for their Post-millennialism. I think Dr. Gary Demar is coming around to the truth. That truth being a cross between full preterism and amillennialism. I have yet to work out the details.
Stumbled upon this and it was fantastic! Well done. I saved for future use and appreciate all your hard work. Thank you!
Thank you! Please be sure to check out our other documentary-style videos on this channel.
I got an apologetics degree at Biola, one of the main Dispensationalist schools. Ryrie was required reading. It was so convoluted and twisted I could not get my head around it. Never really adopted it and became a Reformed Covenant guy with some help from R.C. Sproul's ministry.😀
I tell folks I was a Dispensationalist until I tried to explain it. 🙂
I also got an apologetics degree from Biola this last fall. Fortunately, Ryrie is no longer required reading material.
@@joshuang6896 Really? I did not know that.
@@LorinPartain Yes. They have relaxed their position on classical dispensationalism in favor of progressive dispensationalism.
@@joshuang6896 They need to abandon it all together and adopt Covenant Theology.
Hello from the OPC's tame Anglican. I'm glad you've put this out as promised. The issue, having come out of one of MacArthur's sermons, arose amongst my friends a few weeks ago. Perfect timing. Almost like Divine Providence or something!
To suppose that the Israel being discussed in Isaiah 52 and 53 must be the physical nation of Israel is to suppose that at least the book of Judges (not to mention all the other books in which Israel is judged for sin) is fiction, for it is said in ch. 53 that the suffering servant "had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth". Anyone who can apply this to the nation of Israel is a blind fool, twisting the scriptures to their own destruction. Isaiah 53 can only be about Christ and therefore He alone is the true Israel of God, the seed to whom all the promises are made. That being the case, I call upon all dispensationalists to stop replacing Christ with that disobedient nation.
I call upon all amills to read scripture literally, not ORIGEN-ALLY.
@@gerard4870 Origen was a univeralist, something that most orthodox theologians would regard as a heresy worthy of discipline if not excommunication. You plead for a 'literal reading', but the hermeneutic you advocate for is in fact one that is imposed onto the text from a premise of rejecting the typology and fuller, spiritual meaning drawn from Old Testament passages by the apostles. Thus, dispensationalists read OT prophecies concerning Israel just as an unbelieving 1st century Jew would, heedless of the apostolic hermeneutic that properly interprets these promises in light of Christ's advent and His renovation of the covenant people. The church, i.e. the elect people of God in all ages, composed of both Jewish and Gentile believers, is said by Paul to be "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-6). If this be the case, then all of the promises given to Israel pertaining to Messiah's redemptive work, the ingathering and exaltation of God's people, and the triumphant reign of the Davidic king are not solely in reference to the Jewish nation, but likewise extends to them who the LORD calls "My people" that formerly were not His people, and them who are called "sons of the Living God" (Romans 9:26). As a result, the things spoken of by the prophets concerning Israel that did not come to pass in the former days, before Messiah was revealed, but which are plainly eschatological in nature have reference NOT to the Israel of the flesh (that nation of unbelieving Jews the bulk of whom were cut off and driven out of the vineyard on account of their unbelief, per Matthew 21:33-46), but to the Israel of God; that is, the ἐκκλησία or church. The unity of God's chosen people throughout the Old and New Testaments is the reason why Paul can so strongly state to the Roman church that "For whatever was written in the past was all written for our instruction, so that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope." (Romans 15:4) Were the OT prophecies addressing Israel meant solely for the Jews, no such thing could rightly be said.
This is why dispensationalism is such a pestilential heresy. It rends the Old Testament from the New, muddies the waters so far as Law and Gospel are concerned, and makes the New Testament believer a second-class citizen in God's moral economy and redemptive purposes; a side project or one-off, in comparison to the detailed eschatological program laid out for the Jews. As Arthur W. Pink once said, dispensationalism, in whatever form, steals the bread that the Heavenly Father has specially prepared for the building up and nourishment of His children, and casts it before swine. Those clever Zionists who presently preside as leaders of the secular Israeli state know this too, and that's why AIPAC financially supports fundamentalist churches who peddle in this kind of hogwash. Blind support for the state of Israel is conflated with Christian duty and piety, when that sort of partiality on account of one's descent is explicitly condemned in Scripture itself (Matthew 3:9; Romans 2:11-16, 27-29; Acts 10:34-43).
@@gerard4870 It is impossible to interpret the Bible literally because a literal interpretation would contradict itself. For instance, in Genesis, God created the sun on the 4th day. What is the meaning of a day if there is no sun?
Genesis also has the story about Adam being created first and then Eve being made from his rib. But then it says in Genesis 5: "When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind”[a] when they were created." Without context, these lines make it sound like he made them at the same time. I think the obvious interpretation is that is just a summary of what was described before, but that's not what it literally means without context.
There are also lines in the Bible (I won't bother to look them up) where it says stuff like, "In David's day". Unless this is talking about David's birthday or implying that David only lived for 1 day, then lines like these cannot be interpreted literally.
There are very many lines that are incomprehensible when interpreted literally.
The original poster is right that if "Israel" is described as being sinless, whereas the nation of Israel committed very many sins in the past, then the two Israels described here cannot possibly be the same thing .
@@brendangolledge8312 there is no identity of a "gentile israel" in the bible. There are sons of, or children of abraham, but that is not to be confused with israel.
This is rich! It's dense with quotes, covers so much material, is well balanced, and provides sound arguments. I've watched the first 20 mins about 5 times and the whole thing once. I feel like if I'm going to get a strong enough grasp that I'll need to watch the entire thing several times over. Might just be the best documentary I've ever seen. I feel like I could even share it with my dispy friends because, unlike others, it's mostly just history and sound biblical argumentation, instead of a full-throttle attack.
Thank you!
Part 1/2 Here's the problem, it's all a lie. I always say if you want poor theology read Christians from 1000-1800AD. The problem is that Christians don't actually study, they assume and then build their own understanding. Now we can debate the topic, I have no issue but if someone comes and says here's what Christians have taught and they don't even consider what we call "Dispensational Premillennialism" today they have no clue about Scripture of what early Christians taught.
Let's deal with Premillennialism first, because that goes back to Genesis.
Genesis 2:15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Now we know Adam ate. So did he die in the subsequent 24 hours? No.
Genesis 5:5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. (930 years old) So is GOD a liar? No. It's a clue.
Genesis 3 the punishment for the sin. 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life...19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.” The curse was that we would toil and work the earth by the sweat of our brow, and we would be mortals who died.
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Adam lived 930 years which is just less than 1000 years.
Psalm 90:For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3: 8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
This isn't an allegory it's a cipher a ratio to understand Scripture. 1 heavenly day = 1000 earthly years.
So Adam died in the "day" year 1-1000 he was created (year 930). year 1000 end of Day 1. Abraham year 2000 from Creation (end of Day 2). David year 3000 from Creation (end of Day 3). Now we can debate whether Jesus's crucifixion (32AD) or the destruction of the Temple (70AD) was the year 4000 but we are now 2000 years later (approx) so we are approaching the year 6000 (2032-2070AD).
6 days or 6000 years we will toil until the LORD's return and He establishes His kingdom for 1000 years. Why 1000? To complete the 7000 year plan of redemption before eternity. 6000 years from Adam and Eve to the 2nd Coming + 1000 years for the Millennial Kingdom.
Early Christian writings. Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9
Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28
Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80
Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1
Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3
Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81
Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6
I could go on with many more references but you get the idea.
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As far as what we call "Dispensationalism" most Christians can't define it but what they say it contains are things like a literal reading of Scripture, That Israel and the Church are separate, the Rapture, a 7 year period or Tribulation, and an Antichrist.
Well, we have over 100 chapters of early Christian writings discussing these ideas post-70AD.
The lineage of disciples: Apostle John taught Polycarp. Polycarp taught Irenaeus, and Irenaeus taught Hippolytus.
Irenaeus (about 180 AD) wrote a 5 volume work called “Against Heresies” “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 (notice literal Temple)
Hippolytus (170-235AD): On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
"Above all, moreover, he will love the nation of the Jews. And with all these he will work signs and terrible wonders, false wonders and not true, in order to deceive his impious equals. For if it were possible, he would seduce even the elect from the love of Christ. But in his first steps he will be gentle, loveable, quiet, pious, pacific, hating injustice, detesting gifts, not allowing idolatry; loving, says he, the Scriptures, reverencing priests, honoring his elders, repudiating fornication, detesting adultery, giving no heed to slanders, not admitting oaths, kind to strangers, kind to the poor, compassionate. And then he will work wonders, cleansing lepers, raising paralytics, expelling demons, proclaiming things remote just as things present, raising the dead, helping widows, defending orphans, loving all, reconciling in love men who contend, and saying to such, “Let not the sun go down upon your wrath;” Ephesians 4:26 and he will not acquire gold, nor love silver, nor seek riches. And at first, indeed, that deceitful and lawless one, with crafty deceitfulness, will refuse such glory; but the men persisting, and holding by him, will declare him king. And thereafter he will be lifted up in heart, and he who was formerly gentle will become violent, and he who pursued love will become pitiless, and the humble in heart will become haughty and inhuman, and the hater of unrighteousness will persecute the righteous. Then, when he is elevated to his kingdom, he will marshal war; and in his wrath he will smite three mighty kings, - those, namely, of Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia. And after that he will build the temple in Jerusalem (notice literal Temple), and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away. Behold, ye who love God, what manner of tribulation there shall rise in those days, such as has not been from the foundation of the world, no, nor ever shall be, except in those days alone. Then the lawless one, being lifted up in heart, will gather together his demons in man’s for, and will abominate those who call him to the kingdom, and will pollute many souls. Section 23-25
Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist"
"Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week, therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half. For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8
The Rapture:
Irenaeus 180AD “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” “Against Heresies 5.29
Ephrem 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD
Lactantius in the second century between 100-200AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 (which is prior to the 7 years) is when "the Church shall be taken away” Victorinus a bishop who lived in 240AD (martyred 304AD) also wrote "And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up, for the heaven to be rolled away, that is, the Church shall be taken away. And the mountain and the islands removed from their places..."
It's sad to me, that so many Christians have no clue about this topic, and they ignore reality. Genesis 18 shows us a fundamental flaw in most views of Eschatology.
We know God's Judgment will come. But Abraham shows us why we cannot be here when it does.
23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.”
John 3:36, Romans 5:8-9, 1 Thessalonians 5:8-11. All show us that by the blood of Jesus we are spared from the LORD's wrath. That despite the sins of Sodom the LORD would have spared it all for the sake of 10 righteous people. There weren't 10 righteous people so He removed them and then sent His Judgment.
There are Christians all over the world and for the Lord's Judgment to come, He will first have to remove the righteous.
My views aren't based on a denomination or because of an American view, it's because I have actually studied the topic. And reality right now is showing us. We see the world becoming more wicked, the world is on the verge of another world war right now, and the LORD's judgment will come soon, the question we have to ask is how will He deal with the righteous all over the world when His judgment comes over all the world? Simple John 14:1-6. He's been preparing for us a place in Heaven and will come and Harpazo us out of here before it does.
I hope this helps. Take care.
Great! Thank you for your faithful presentation of Biblical truth presented with humility and hope. It must have taken ages to produce this, but it was worth it!
Thank you!
Thank you for this balanced and very well researched summary of the title subject. This is one of the best productions of its kind that I have found thus far, and I'm pleased that I may unreservedly recommend it to my own family, and my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!
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You are most welcome.👍
Incredible video once again! Thank you so much for putting so much time and effort into your content!
@ 1:21 : 20 Amen Amen Amen. Jesus / Yahshua is the true ISRAEL
This is a very well done presentation, thank you.
Christ has already won this battle field, He just hasn't cashed in the last day yet, because He loves us all and is RIGHTEOUS
Amen! Excellent documentary! May Dispensationalists and us as well, learn to allow Scripture to shape our system of belief and not the other way around.
Alll glory, praise, and honor to the Lord Jesus Christ, the One True Israel of God!
Thank you!
I haven’t watched the video because of the comments. if a Christian doesn’t have the view or at least considers Dispensational premillennialism as biblical truth, they have no clue about Scripture or Early Christian doctrine. There are multiple sources of early doctrine that show they were dispensational premillennialists. More so on the premillennialists side but enough of clear dispensationalists. For example the Apostle John discipled Polycarp and Polycarp discipled Irenaeus who was a clear dispensational premillennialists in 180Ad. His disciple Hippolytus wrote 2 books of over 100 sections/chapters giving us great details on the topic which is very clearly dispensational premillennialists.
What’s sad is that Christians have to twist scripture to make their ideologies work.
@@mbfrommb3699 May I suggest one carefully watch the video before even commenting. Premillennialist thought was indeed present in the early church. It was however, Historic Premillenialism, which is different from Dispensational Premillenialism. The latter only surfaced around 200 years ago with origins that are quite questionable. Thank you.
@@mbfrommb3699 We weren't afraid to listen to our critics and engage them. Why are you?
@@ancientpathstv im not afraid. This isn’t an attack against you. The reality is the Lord will unfold the future one way. Either all our views are wrong and based on falsehoods or only 1 is correct.
Hes laid it all out for us in Scripture the problem is that most Christians don’t know the basic format of Scripture which is that from Adam and Eve to the 2nd coming is 6000 years + 1000 years of a literal millennial reign on earth (Zechariah 14, etc)
For 7000 years or heavenly 7 days.
Scripture covers a finite period of time which goes from creation to eternity.
Understanding the format we can then see 4000 years of fulfilled prophecy and how it’s to be understood. I am not here to attack you personally as I don’t know you. I will watch your video but starting with Darby as many often do completely causes a falsehood to be believed. Darby sure had his beliefs but far too many Christian’s think that Dispensational premill was invented by him or that it’s only a few hundred years old. It’s not. It’s over 2500 years old. First spoken of in Daniel.
Human beings whether they’re Jews or Gentiles all face the same issues. Time and the enemy = false doctrines.
From Moses to Jesus the Pharisees (1,300 years) got their theology all wrong because they had adopted slowly over time false doctrines. That it blinded them to the prophecy Jesus was fulfilling in real time in front of them.
Christians are no different. We all know about 400 ad a lot of false doctrines had become a part of Christianity. But now in the era of the most amount of prophecies coming to pass in real time (I’ve tracked about 100 in my life). I’ve predicted a number of things in advance because of Scripture over the last 7-8 years. I have also referenced both Scripture and the disciples of the Apostles who wrote more on the topic than I have especially Hippolytus. The problem with Americans and the West is that they love their entertainment. So there are a lot of guesses and incomplete understanding of the topic and the constant Rapture dates have also caused a lot of doubt. I criticize everyone for these things not just you. The reality though is that the Lord since January 30, 2020 has actively been collapsing the West. Nothing is by accident and the only reason that He has begun to do this is because His people are wicked. 2 Chronicles 7:14.
Instead of healing the nations, He’s divided them. He’s showing us Mark 3:24 and Joel 3:1-2.
Like I said this is not an attack on you. And I am not saying I agree with all dispensational views but it’s the one that explains the global economic collapse and world war we are rapidly marching toward and knowing that the Lord is dividing all the nations tells me, the world will not be spared. This isn’t one country or one empire but all of them. The US, Europe, China and finally Russia. Maybe I prejudged your video but most Eschatological views aren’t taking reality into account. Take xare
A great and thorough video, thank you. This is good information when dealing with dispensational believers from many free christian and pentecostal backgrounds here in scandinavia. Best regards from a finnish confessional lutheran.
Thank you!
Excellent video that will require a few re-viewings. Follow the money donated to all U.S. dispensationalist seminaries, Dallas Theological being the largest benefactor by many millions, from the Jewish mysticism/Kabbalist crowd over at Chabad.
Outstanding video. Deeply appreciate the attention to detail on your channel. God bless.
Thank you!
Thank you for the attention to detail and perfect mix of historical and biblical refutation.
Thank you!
Your videos are very helpful brother! Greetings from Europe!
This is so helpful imma cry. ✨ Praise The LORD for this.
Me before this video: "The Anabaptists were revolutionaries"
Me after this video: "The Anabaptists were demon possessed revolutionaries."
A fair thing to point out is that not all anabaptists were the same, they had a wide range of views. Muntzer was the most fanatic of all anabaptists and sadly was the "uniform" view that a lot of people had of anabaptists afterwards, even up until the First London Baptist Confession they were "wrongly called anabaptist".
@NuanceOverDogma No its not. The early Anabaptists were evil, Unitarian heretics.
Victors write history. Most of what we know about the Anabaptists were written by their foes.
@@John3.36innovators pure and simple
@@John3.36 so all of the history that was presented in this documentary was false in your view? Seems he substantiated everything very well. There may have been victors, but it is a non-sequitor to suggest that all the documented history that followed was skewed.
The reality is that even if they did not have foes of opposing views on Baptism and Covenant, many times they killed each other for minor disagreements.
This has always been the case, and continues to be today (perhaps without bloodshed) between all Baptists. They are always horribly divided, fighting about everything, and splitting over the most minor things. Proof? Look no further than the mess that is the SBC.
Brilliant video brother ! This has given me such hope because it is the position I’ve argued for many mth against those of the Darby theology! I new I was correct and held to true doctrine ! Amen thank you Lord for leading me into all truth
Thank you for the kind encouragement!
Yeah, that was believable. 🤣
Thank you for your hard work in producing an incredible video!
Thank you!
Excellent work. I teach about some of this in my classes. Our textbooks treat the Anabaptists as only the receivers of persecution, but downplay the radicals. This is helpful.
You can easily get more information from the Anabaptist movement by going to Scroll Publishing, Sound Faith, or other Anabaptist RUclips channels. Our movement is at least as old as the Protestants, and survived their efforts to annihilate us.
1 Hour and 12 min into this. Thank you thank you thank you. I knew something was wrong but this video has filled the gaps!
Thank you for making this!!! Helped piece so many puzzle pieces together for me. ❤❤❤
Dude. This video is phenomenal. Well done. And thank you
Thank you!
Excellent Documentary. And VERY timely! God bless you!
Thank you!
Wow! That was good! As good as it was in this format I think it would be even better as a book.
Thank you for the hard work on this. Excellent presentation.
Thank you! Please be sure to check out our other videos.
This is one of my favorite channels
Thank you so much for this video. Could you make another one where you respond to all objection of rabbi tovia singer?
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Thank you! We're actually already working on one responding to Singer. 🙂
Thank you! I still remember when I discovered the history of this.
Subbed. Excellent presentation good sir n brother in Christ 😊
Thank you!
Beautifully put. Thank you.
Incredibly helpful video. Thank you.
Thank you for these videos! God bless you friend, you have surely inspired me to study and defend the faith in like manner.
Thank you!
Thank you for making this. ☦️🏴
Please watch.
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Thank you so much, this was fantastic!
Thank you for the kind encouragement! Please check out our other videos and help get the word out.
Wow...awesome vid. I have a book I absolutely know you'd love. After leaving twenty years of dispensationalism, God revealed to me starting ten years ago, the things you mention here and other nuggets I think you'd greatly appreciate.
It's funny how God seems to be revealing contradictory and mutually exclusive things to people all the time. At least that's the impression I get from reading RUclips comments.
@sorenpx I'm sure some are truly from God, and some aren't. ;)
I‘m pretty sure nothing new is revealed, because that would be a adding to scripture. If anything, our biblical blinders get taken off.
@@frizzyrascal1493 Amen and that is what I mean
I've listened to McArthur a lot before and had no idea any of this history existed before now.
Thanks for then the information!
Best 2 hours I've spent all day, I'll have to rewatch it a couple more times to digest everything, so I look forward to watching again.
As much as I appreciate the hard work and research that has gone into this and will need to watch about 10x to take in all the information, please, please, please do not make us wait so long for the next video.
We'll try. 🙂
*_Manuel De Lacunza, S.J. (July 19, 1731 - c. June 18, 1801) was a Jesuit priest who used the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra in his main work on the interpretation of the prophecies of the Bible, which was entitled The Coming of the Messiah in Majesty and Glory. This is where Darby got many of his ideas._*
*_Edward Irving is the one who translated his writings into English, he also believed in a pre-trib rapture around the same time as Darby. He was another heretic who started the catholic apostolic church where the ecstatic tongue speaking came from, way before the Pentecostal movement._*
Thank you for your research.
I have added these two points which I researched as support.
If I am wrong in any details, please feel free to correct me.
God Bless
Yes. We can thank the Jesuits for the genesis of this abomination
I didn't know about any of this. This is not covered in any school or church I've ever attended. I learned a lot here. I have a good friend who promoted the ideas of dispensationalism to me. I didn't know anything about it, as I had never heard the word before. I hope many more Christian people see this video, so that they are not led astray. Thank you.
Thank you! Sadly most American "Protestants" have little to no idea what the Reformation was all about. You might also enjoy this. ruclips.net/video/3AplWYXFiCA/видео.html
Great, complete presentation. The cherry picking the PreMilDisp must do in Scripture & Christian History, to prop up PMD is breath taking.
Thank you!
I cant believe how convoluted Dispensationalism makes the Bible.
On purpose, confusion and feeling of being lost, thx John Darby et Al.
Which of the 17 definitions of it are you using?
What a great lesson to have on Lord's Day 13! Thank you for all your labors of love ❤️
THANK YOU for this exceptional teaching video! (1:38:40 actually the verse reads "wolf will lie down with the lamb")
I was quoting others. Most misquote it. 🙂
Thank you for your hard work and thorough presentation. May it further true unity among Christ's Church.
This is incredible! I appreciate the referencing of MacArthur here because it’s very easy to dunk on Darby and to claim “progressive dispensationalism” is unrelated, but tying these two together is essential to converse with modern proponents of the view.
- followed MacArthur for years, bought his books. John is good at criticizing others. He's not good on Church history nor insightful about the Christian faith. John is good at turning Christianity into a club. I figured out there is no Grace to You in Grace Church. It's all works. I went to his website and looked up his definition of the Gospel, and then I put John aside and no longer follow him.
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As a Calvinist, he is outside the Christian Orthodoxy. If you believe Zion and the Church are the same, however, you need to read Paul's distinction between the two in Romans 11.
@@PETERJOHN101Calvinists are the same as the Reformers theologically. And same for the ancient Waldensians who are part of the Reformed theological tradition. Same with Augustine, Church Father. You have no history, no roots, you are the outlier, not "Calvinists". I'd question your own salvation, and we will rest in assurance of our own.
Overall a lot of historical and scriptural insight that was very useful. I think you also should've mentioned Manuel Lacunza's writings and how Edward Irving based his theology off of that
Dispensationalists actually love to debate that, because they can muddy the waters with counter-claims. I prefer to keep things simple and harder to refute.
I knew Calvin married an anabaptist widow, i did not know that he converted her first husband before he died. That was truly special to hear
Would it not be more accurate to say God converted the other guy and used John Calvin in the process?
@@samsdad110 yes, God converted Him Calvins preaching was the means
John Calvin was a murderer he had servetas burned at the stake are so many people get their theology from this murderous man
The video helps explain why our Christian leaders are so impotent when it comes to addressing the cultural issues ripping our nation apart. They either do not know their church history or don't want to rock the boat in their churches by dealing with hard issues from a biblical perspective. Especially if they are close to retirement. Also, discussing Zionism is the third rail of destruction for pastors. In the mean time, the nation goes to hell in a handbasket and we important impotent dispensationalism to other nations which will corrupt them as well. no wonder God is judging our nation!
The only thing this video helps me see is that the one narrating it is a liar. Anabaptist have always been against all forms of violence and don't even believe in defending yourself or your family against an attack from someone. It was Martin Luther and John Calvin whose followers persecuted and took up arms against them and gave them the name in the first place as a slang term the way the Jews and Romans first called Christians the name as a derogatory term. This is not a documentary against but rather a documentary against the truth. There are plenty of good documentaries against dispensationalism that I agree with completely but this is completely Ludacris!
@@remnantreport8418 could you reccomend a good documentary on dispensationalism?
@@remnantreport8418you need to read some history not what others tell u
This was a fantastic documentary. I'm going to check out your other content.
I learned from dispensationalists to have the highest regard for God's word and the utmost importance of proper hermeneutics. That being said I never really studied the system in depth rather I just accepted it and absorbed it from my former pastor, my professors at bible college, and listening to preachers like MacArthur and pastors who taught at my school.
Since I began studying covenant theology and getting my theology in bounds with historic creeds and confessions I have been able to take the high regard for Scripture and its interpretation and apply that to a system which is more biblical and historical.
Thank you! Please be sure to check this out, as well. ruclips.net/video/68x6p-x4hKA/видео.html
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Singer was being quite disingenuous in skipping over Isaiah 42, where Israel is called a failed servant and and it talks about a coming faithful servant, that is, the suffering servant found in chapter 53.
That was wonderful thank you.
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Outstanding!
Thank you!
Dispensationalists' literalism is very selective. See, e.g., Rev. 1:1: "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants *the things that must soon take place."* Or 1:3: "Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, *for the time is near."* Or 1:7: "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, *even those who pierced him,* and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him."
All of these point, at face value, to something that's happening very soon--within the lifetimes of those who crucified Jesus. And under the dispensational view, none of them has happened in almost 2000 years. There are surely ways of reading these verses that account for this, but they aren't literal--which means the true situation isn't, as they claim, "we take the Bible literally and you don't," but rather "we read these passages literally and interpret others in light of them, while you read different passages literally and interpret others in light of them."
Dispensationalists also argue that instead of a literal 490 years that there's a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel which is nowhere mentioned in the text.
@davidconwayjr.4655 the kingdom of Heaven was at hand. What happened?
Working through this in amazement…
I’ve been watching your videos and I cannot stop! Would love to know what material you recommend regarding church history at least to start with!
I'm thankful our videos have been helpful. D'Aubigne's History of the Reformation is a good resource with which to start.
@ancientpathstv when asked about Church history suggests a book about the reformation.
The myopic perspective.
Besides the Bible, is there a book that you would recomend i should read to help me understand all this further.
Oof MacArthur…this proves that for many eschatology is not a secondary issue
This is very good! Growing up in a Covenant-theology preaching Presbyterianism, I became fascinated by dispensationalism a few years ago in college when I wanted to figure out why my beliefs on eschatology, sacraments, and baptism were so much different from my friends, who claimed to be reformed but seemed a far cry away from what I knew to be reformed. The rabbit hole just got deeper and deeper - it really impacts so much. Reading the Church Fathers cemented things for me. And led me to Orthodoxy 😅. My husband and I are pretty definitely going to become catechumens soon. Haha! Funny how things go, I feel like I can somewhat attribute learning about the covenantalism/dispensationalism split as an instigating factor.
Going to view your video on Orthodoxy shortly! I’ve been seeking a refutation of it from a Reformed perspective for a while.
Thank you for the compliment. We actually have two videos on Eastern Orthodoxy. Please watch them both and feel free to contact me through the church website. Like Dispensationalism, Eastern Orthodoxy can sound good, until the whole story is told.
Sadly, many "Covenant-theology preaching Presbyterian" churches have forgotten a lot of what the Reformation was about. Our faith isn't an historic novelty. We stand with Athanasius and Jerome on the Old Testament canon. We stand with the Synod of Elvira and Council of Hieria on icons. We stand with Tertullian on the perpetual virginity of Mary. We stand with the Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus on penal substitutionary atonement. Eastern Orthodoxy disagrees with us and these fathers and councils on all these.
The simple reality is that church fathers and even supposedly ecumenical councils have contradicted one another. The question becomes what standard do we use to know the truth. Our ultimate authority is the written testimony of the apostles, while theirs is an oral tradition that contradicts itself and the Scriptures.
Remember, no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po Dr. MacArthur has repeatedly identified himself with "the Anabaptists," without qualification. It's not slander to demonstrate what the Anabaptists actually believed, and the video includes not just Munster revolutionaries, but also the pacifist Swiss Brethren.
You call me your brother, but also say your an Orthodox catechumen. That church anathematizes me and calls for me to be "unforgiven in this life and next," so you might want to reconsider your definition of "arrogance."
Josiah Trenham excused his apostasy by the growing liberalism of the PCA, but as demonstrated in our videos, he exchanged new lies for old. The answer to the PCA's problems is Biblical reformation and discipline, not the schism of Dispensationalism, nor the heresy of Eastern Orthodoxy. Unlike both groups, we have no fear of letting all the facts be seen. I encourage you to watch both our Eastern Orthodox videos and try to answer them with more than the bluster that's characterized its critics so far. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
Sorry, I confused your comments with the original comment from an Orthodox catechumen.
Could you please do a video dealing with Wesley’s statements in “The Wisdom of God’s Counsels” on Montanus and Pelagius, calling them holy men of their times? Also his statement that “Christianity and Heathenism are so throughly incorporated with each other that they will hardly ever be divided till Christ comes to reign upon earth” in his writing “Of Former Things.” I have a rather charitable view of Wesley and the Methodist tradition, but find both these statements to be rather troubling, particularly the first.
It's on the list, but there are so many heresies and so little time. 🙂
The version of the story that I read was that Constantine had his son executed because the step mother had persuaded Constantine that his eldest son, also a military commander, was plotting his overthrow. Later he learned that he had been deceived.
Yeah the fact he had her scalded to death in a bathhouse says to me he was decieved and in incalculable grief by Fausta. And he did not take her plotting well.
So well done! You have increased my conviction confessional Protestantism is desperately needed to correct the course of the church, and my appreciation for what the Reformation has given to us all.
Thank you! We are the heirs of an unbelievable treasure, but we're tempted to exchange it for tinsel and glitter.
I can't commend you enough on this video, and all your videos. Praise our Lord!
Thank you!
I’m new Presbyterian . I don’t have a clue on eschatology. Can anyone recommend solid books on it to help walk me through it ?
Welcome! Kim Riddlebarger's The Case for Amillennialism and Keith Mathison's Postmillennialism will help get you oriented to the two main positions in historic Protestantism.
@@ancientpathstv thank you i will deff check those out
Steve Gregg’s Revelation 4 Views is really good and my biased recommendation is Greg Bahnsen’s “Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Posmillennialism”
@@SerenityNow22 thank you I’ll deff check it out , really thank you
I would think that a Reformed Baptist, such as CH Spurgeon, must feel like a minority within a minority.
I just wish you had titled each speaker. I think I recognized Dave Hunt, but was Paige Patterson in there toward the beginning? I kept hoping for the name to pop up
That was Dave Hunt. Paige Patterson was the one saying the Edict of Milan was the "worst thing that ever happened to the church of the living God."
Best video ever made.
This is an awesome video.
"The Son of Man will be handed out .." (Mk 8, 31) - this is the core message...
Where can I find more information concerning the John Wesley letter quoted at around minute 39?
If you email me through the church website, I can send you a scan of the original letter from the Rylands Library. I don't have the source handy, but he elsewhere said, "My friends affirm I am mad, because I said I was not a Christian a year ago. I affirm I am not a Christian now ... For a Christian is one who has the fruits of the Spirit of Christ, which (to mention no more) are love, peace, joy ... And I feel this moment I do not love God ... joy in the Holy Ghost I have not ... though I have constantly used all the means of grace for twenty years, I am not a Christian."
Clearly a labor of love that is both compelling and convicting. It is also erudite in its comprehensive scope and in its wide array of sources, from Dave Hunt to Tovia Singer (talk about strange bedfellows!)! I am like other posters who admired the Anabaptists uncritically, having seen the movie The Radicals about Michael Sattler and having read some of The Martyrs' Mirror. I was shocked that Christians embraced and lionized the psychopathic mass murderer John Brown! I learned a lot of history and had my presuppositions challenged. I appreciate your investment of research and time, Pastor Wallace. Blessings!
THANK YOU!!!
How is the gospel of the kingdom Christ preached the same as the gospel in 1 Cor 15?
If you see a conflict between 1 Corinthians 15 and Ephesians 2, the problem is yours.
Great video! Very informative and helpful. As a Reformed Postmillennial, over-against the liberal version of Charles Finney, I found myself heartily agreeing with your interpretations and conclusions of what we should be doing. Keep on bringing sanity into the mess of confusion around us, brothers!
Thank you for this excellent documentary! It is clear that in Church history many movements have arisen to deny or modify or impose some variation to the Word of God.
It is concerning to me, especially since dispensationalism is still the prevalent view of believers in today's American evangelicalism, that the subtleties and the more obvious incongruencies remain unexplained and largely glossed over by prominent dispensationalists. Also concerning to me is the persistent influences of dispensationalism in weird and unbiblical practices. Would it be too unkind to call this movement a heresy? This is a sincere question. I am not persuaded that it is not.
Thank you for the kind note. Dispensationalism is clearly a serious error, but I wouldn't call it a heresy. I personally try to avoid such labels; they tend to shut down communication. My conviction is that if I speak the truth in love, those with ears to hear will receive it.
@@ancientpathstv Thank you for your reply. When the Lord saved me, I entered the Church in one of the Assemblies of God most prominent congregations in my area. Dispensationalism was the view point I embraced because there were no presentations or mentions in the church about the Amil or Postmil view, and even the Premil view was distinguished from the firmly held dispensational position. I basically knew next to nothing about these things, even though I read the Bible. I now see that the issue of dividing the Word of God as per JN Darby was the way the Bible was taught. I also was ignorant of other doctrines of the Bible and didn't have an appreciation for the issues that brought forth the Reformation. So I was in the dark about many things. I wish I would have heard about the origins of dispensationalism sooner, but as it is I thank the Lord that He brought my family out of that teaching. Heresy is a more technical term, and its definition points to unorthodoxy upending much of what was arrived at over centuries. But I do see that if that word were to be used to describe the origins of that viewpoint, many would think that the word is being applied to individuals even to include the motives of their heart. Sad that in today's conversations a believer can't in many occasions be precise with language without something bad ensuing.
Thank you again for your research and documentary. Many blessings!
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@@ancientpathstv Thank you! I will watch. Many blessings! :)
This is documentary was needed. It will be great to add subtitles in other languages like Spanish, where much of dispensationalism is at. Maybe dubbing it in Spanish and other languages in the future could be helpful for the kingdom.
Thank you for this work!
Thank you!
I am dispensationalist who is very fond of CI Scofield, Lewis Sperry Chafer (protégé of Scofield), & Charles F. Baker (protégé of Chafer). I appreciate your critiques, and also the work that has gone into such a historical investigation.
As I believe it is the scriptures that makes me a dispensationalist, it is also the scriptures, which bring me to correct the escapism and seclusion that John Nelson Darby promoted. As the catching up is imminent, I do not know if there is 100 more years, 1000 more years, 2000 more years, or two more years until Christ returns for his body. Therefore, I will adore and glorify the triune God, with all of my brethren, even those who are not dispensational. I also will seek to not allow Satan to overtake the realms of our society, but I will do what the Pauline revelation commands me to, and that is the proliferate all of life and society with the glory of God.
I'm thrilled to find faithfulness in this dark age, even if it seems a bit confused to me.
The catching up has been imminent for 200 years 😅😅😅
@@bigtobacco1098 *2000 years lol
@@SimplyProtestantBibleBeliever except nobody held dispensationalism until 200 years ago
@@bigtobacco1098 mhm, have you seen the new research work titled “Discovering Dispensationalism” by James Fazio?
Could you please name some of your literary sources, so I can read further?
The Bible
I am convinced that the heresy of Northern Finneyites led directly to the death of the Civil War and the disorder and anarchy of Reconstruction. Could have been handled much better without those fools on the scene.
Well done brother.
Thank you!
Love this lecture, could you please provide sources for the things that you are saying?
Thank you! The sources are all cited in the video. Is there one missing?
1:18:23 has some awesome information. Over all very interesting.
As I recall, Jesus told his disciples to leave one city and move onto the next as persecution increased. Eventually many of them were executed and martyred, but fleeing an area and setting up roots elsewhere was by no means a "wrong" answer either. Denying Christ and becoming like the pagans is one thing, but leaving and going to a new region where persecution was less is by no means a bad thing. Jesus literally told the Christians living in Jerusalem and the surrounding areas to flee when the Romans came. And they did just that, fulfilling Jesus's warning.
"Refusing remarriage for widows"
Ugh of course. That's such a ludicrous addition as well. The Apostle Paul literally says that the younger widows should remarry. It wasn't even wrong for the older widows to remarry should they wish, but it wasn't quite as important as younger widows who still had plenty of time to build a family.
Ah now we're defending Calvanism as well. Lovely. I knew it was coming, though, after some of the dialogue earlier.
I disagree with Darby, but I also understand where he was coming from. The church became so divided over the years over there many different interpretations that he basically lost any and all hope that God's church had succeeded.
HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR MANKINDS SHORT 4000 YEARS OF RECORDED HISTORY
Abraham lived nearly 4000 years ago, so we have earlier histories than that.
Excellent video! Thank you.
Though I would say that the part at the end with hades/sheol is not clear cut. Of course saints today don't go there. But a case can be made that before Christ's death, people would go to that intermediate place, and that Christ went there to bring them up. That would make Moses, Enoch, and Elijah specific cases (maybe others).
I don't think we can reject that out of hand.
I agree. I was trying to keep things simple and under two hours, so I didn't engage the issue of an intermediate state before Christ's resurrection, but kept the focus on the Premillennialists advocating for it afterwards. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv you're right, documentary was excellent. Learned a lot of new things.I especially enjoyed the last part with the biblical response to some of premil's claims. It was amazing.
As many have said already excellent documentary.
Not sure if you are aware but there is this thing called the Mandela effect, whereby some believe that somethings have been changed because of CERN experiments, so that even phrases in the bible have been changed. One of those phrases is; the lion shall lay down with the lamb, Isaiah 11:6, but it is not lion it is wolf. Which you too misquote at 138:49 of video.
Isaiah 11:6
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."
Not that I buy into such nonsense, but it is certainly a well establish misquote and interesting to see how common it is. I also noticed you didn't list the scripture when you were saying it.
Once again very good work putting all this information together. It was quite depressing to see how many have time the world has used the church to prop up some worldly agenda, or the "church" has been deceived thinking they can be literally perfect as Messiah is.
This Mandela Effect is actually deliberate. That's thanks to the British aristocracy's enlightenment OBSESSION with Israelism by men like Isaac Newton; AND the myth that they Brits are descended from the lost Tribe of Ephraim, AND their Glastonbury - Arthurian legends. Thus...a misreading of scripture has been popularized as 'the lion (Britain) lays down with the lamb, (modern Israel)' restoring and protecting Israel. All propaganda that created Balfour etc.
Well done. Thank you.
I had no idea Wesley spoke so well of Heretics. That’s crazy.
Hey AncientPaths do you have a video on the Gospel and what someone had to do to be saved?
The gospel is presented in most of our videos.
1:16:40
Dispys actually LOVE the illustration of the Olive Tree and grafting in, but they also misinterpret it so much. Their system is less like grafting, and more like God switching to another tree before it dies out and he returns to the first tree. And yet they're the ones accusing people of "replacement theology," they can't even coherently express other views without applying their own lens to it.
I think this is well made for a documentary ✨✨ would recommend to anyone
Thank you!
@@ancientpathstv no wonder it was informative, you are a Presbyterian. I commented before it ended. 🫡 Would follow your content from now on.
Is this available on DVD?
Sorry, no, but you're welcome to make DVD copies.