You'll be eating your sock once you play the next iteration: Final Fantasy VII 2, Birth by Dirge of Advent Hearts, and find out that Zack was Donald Duck from the start.
15:35 As far as theories go, that isn't another timeline where zack lives, aparently, defeating the whispers have undone all that they did on past, present and future, so things like the artist that made stamp the dog a beagle and zack dieing were undone becouse of that, so the past changed a lot, but the party and sephiroth only have memories of the events as they were before entering the portal, and i think squere should leave anyone related to kindom hearts away from the script of final fantasy games.
Original theme: the delicate balance of one life affecting another, and accepting reality New theme: DENY REALITY LOL TIME TRAVEL KINGDOM HEARTS A very 2020/2021 theme, I might add. One thing they got right was the combat, finally.
This Combat System was just Another nail in this shits coffin for me. The System trys to be darksouls, but its Not. Reacting to Enemy attacks With skillful dodging Is impossible, attack is pure Button smashing, 0 tactics involved and to make up for the constant, unpreventable damage you eat, the Game throws a shitton of potions at you which Makes it Even less about skillful playing. Dont get me wrong, combat systems dont have to be about dodging and reacting quickly, but of they are Not, Then they shouldnt make me think That they are. This Game Is a mess in Every way imaginable and a total insult to all the fans
@@friedrichschadow I can only assume from your comment that you didn't play the game, or if you did maybe had it on the 'story mode' which deliberately makes combat super easy, because the combat is very much based on tactics
"...Update the combat.." The fuck? "Okay everyone, chess is outdated. We have far better war simulators now. Why are people still playing chess?" Is that what you're saying? Also you said "more character development". They turned Jesse from a team player who might have shyly had a crush on Cloud, to someone who forces herself on him and tries to get between Cloud and Tifa. Bugs and Wedge really aren't any more developed than in the original. They had Jesse join Cloud in rolling her eyes to Barrett's speech in the elevator even though all the members of Avalanche share that same passion. They made Aeris appear to be on the same side as Sephiroth because she's willing to risk the sure victory that's fated to happen just to save herself. I agree with you that they made a weird KH-esque sequel more than anything but you were still extreme light on this game.
The combat needed an update. People are always gonna have a problem with the change, but I personally loved it. I will say the extra character development, looking back, I was a little soft on. I should’ve been harder on it there.
@@thatguybis1997 There's no such thing as "updating the combat". That's definitely not how things work which is why I mentioned the chess example. Chess is essentially a war game as is any MOBA or strategy RPG but neither supercedes Chess. 3D platforners also didn't replace 2D platformers. Games may be software but that does not mean that updates apply to them in the same way as OS or something. FFVII had it's issues. It's English translation could have been better, it didn't support movement with the analog stick, targeting in battle was an issue at times, they didn't yet master the pre-rendered backgrounds thing which made some maps hard to understand, music transitions were very abrupt most of the time, the backgrounds were low resolution and couldn't scale , and it's clear that the in-game graphics weren't what they wanted them to be. These are all technical details that hindered the game and most of them were fixed in subsequent games. The game became a classic despite these technical limitations. It did not, however, become a classic despite it's gameplay and genre. The battle system worked exactly as it was meant to. If they didn't want to have a turn-based battle system then they wouldn't have done one originally. If there's any remaining barriers for games being appreciated as art, it's the video game players seem to have inability to see the actual gameplay as art. The degree that some people have embraced the remake makes me wonder what they liked about the original to begin with. Was it just that Cloud and Sephiroth looked "badass"?
@@myownfriend23 This is just what I think especially in remakes that totally change the original formula, and how do you say if the "fans" applaud those changes then what did they think of the main game? I think that turn-based combat is one of the pillars of the saga and it makes no sense to say that you like RPGs and at the same time think that turn-based combat has nothing to offer anymore.
Dude I love turn based combat but OG FF7 was piss easy for most of the game. Comparing it to playing chess is pretty hilarious. You can make turn base combat exciting like Bravely Default's system but FF7s combat is extremely vanilla.
@@ShoegazeSage I thought Bravely Default's battle system was incredibly boring but whatever, not a bad game and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I never said FF7's battle system was as difficult as chess. I said that calling turned-based games "outdated" is the same as calling chess, a notably turn-based games, outdated.
I can’t agree more. The took the suspense away from sephiroth. The game was good but they are destroying the gem of a game they had. I don’t understand how they can rebound. Whoever had the final say really dropped the ball. This game was the top rpg. The remake should be scraped. I don’t even care how good the next installments are. Won’t be buying something that ruined my favorite game and story of all time.
I blame Tetsuya Nomura hardcore to be honest. So much of his KH bull is in this game it’s ridiculous. It’s a shame cause it’s clear they worked hard on it
That's why I believe this wasn't a remake but a sequel to the OG or a sequel of advent children. But what suspense? We all know who sephiroth is and what he wants. U can't act like u would be surprised if the story played out the same as OG It would be predictable for the OG fans (unless u didn't play the OG) So they put a twist where u don't know where this leads too
The moment Zack was confirmed to be alive... Cloud as a character was literally robbed of all significance to the story. The new story has no weight and all the ppl who wanted to experience the game, like we did just on better graphics. (This is their first impression)
Its almost like it's a REMAKE not a REMASTER aka it is remade with some story being the same and some being different seems to me like someone dosent know how to let go of the past and be open to new experiences
@@AA-sw5pb ok my biggest issue also is we live in an era where where trauma is considered valid. But nobody remembers the trauma surrounding the original characters for FF7. A traumatic overshadow that reflected the harsh reality that was the setting of the game. The remake sugar coats it with plot armor now, what made 7 what it was, Easily the ironic presence of reality in a fantasy story. Roche exists the generalize the idea of homosexuality in it's fan base. But his dialogue is that of a Chad in someone's DMs. SMH what ppl will put up with to just get a flashy new game is crazy. It's also why the original FF Tactics reigns in the top 10 titles still too.
@@AA-sw5pb yoor definition of remake is wrong first off this is clearly a sequel and its just every story element of this game was worse if you are a fan of the original. They could of just made a new game but wasnt confident enough so slapped ff7 on it.
I respect RUclipsrs that speak their true opinion and don't care about the dislikes they get. True real fuckin ppl right there. Can't stand RUclipsrs who say the same shit as everyone else and can't for a real true opinion for themselves
Yup, FF fanboys are the worst. The game is coming out in parts and we would be doing good by critiquing its obvious flaws in hopes of change and they are still hating/ignoring any honest negative feedback. I hope this game milks those "fans" because that's what they deserve.
@@thatguybis1997 It's really hate If we call it a hate then *this video is a hate video it's self* Depending on HOW someone is gonna approach you Am not here to trash talk to you Am here to point out what I feel I didn't liked It's okay to have your own opinion and am not gonna judge you for that However, since this is a discussion video you cannot expect for people not to say anything about it I understand *BOTH* sides who hate the game and who love the game I stead of been a hater I have put my self into everyone's *shoes* to understand what they mean That is why I have this opinion and I say the things I say Do not miss understand me mate Well nice edited video But I do not agree with this
Cloud is just bad at producing a powerful enough patronus to get the dementors to go away, I wonder what horrible things Avalanche has done to end up having to go to Azkaban
Dumb direction from a frankly dumb guy who has no talent in storytelling, never make an artist tell a story.. unless they can actually pull off a good job of telling a cohesive and in depth one.
No thank you yaoi fan production team. Let's only focus on sexual tension or situations. Thanks for body shaming a made up character just to give us a flamboyant dance routine that had no real significant meaning to taking down Shinra. The shitty appeal tactic they pulled to pull in new fans.
Castlevania made an anime universe and even though it doesn't fall right in line with the games... It doesn't change them either. Sad when another company can get it exactly right not even trying. But here comes the new line up for the production team at Square-Enix! Trying to make sense of the kingdom hearts franchise through other titles.
Yep it seems like it's essentially a solid gold, jewel encrusted turd. Seemingly beautiful on the outside... Sorta lol But at the end of the day, it's still a turd.
Seems like all they care about is sexy anime character fan service and crazy action scenes straight out of The Matrix. I mean yeah that's probably gonna reach a wider audience since kids today have no taste when it comes to anime. lol
Should've just called it final fantasy 7: new timeline/reboot, since they're not gonna follow the originals storyline for long instead they're gonna make cash grab spinoffs out of this "remake"
New people are playing this under the impression that it's the same thing. Heck i keep running into so called fans telling me that it IS a remake and that the original fans wanted a remaster instead. It's so backwards!!!!!!
@Epik Yes a remaster is the same game code, just updated to better graphics like Metal Gear Solid 3 HD or the PS3 version of Shadow of the Colossus. A remake is where they remake the same game like Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes or the PS4 version of Shadow of the Colossus. Nobody wanted a remaster, they wanted a remake. However this remake is actually a sequel to the original game with Sephiroth trying to change the timeline and the whispers trying to preserve the original games events. You could be generous and call it a re- imagining but it definitely can't be called a remake.
Man I can't stress over how much I agree with you. Whenever you talk about this with someone they say "HURR DURR iTs A nEW eXPerIEnCe TaKE yoUR NosTAliGA glASSes oFf". Not understanding that I want a new experience but I don't want them to piss all over what made the original so great....
That’s why I just had to make a video about this game, I felt there were so many others who felt the same way I did but I couldn’t find a single video expressing how I felt. Most everybody praised the remake, and I do think it deserves praise but my god. Overall, what a missed opportunity.
The problem is that all sides have the nostalgia glasses but the ones hating "purists" are getting a triumph card because purist in of itself is considered a bad word. However, they who hate purists are also blinded by nostalgia since they want the game to have Cloud, Tifa, Aerith, Barret, Red XIII, Sephiroth, Midgar etc. They do not want the remake to be "FF XVI" because they want the stuff they love. I would not call myself a purist, nor would I want to claim that I wanted a remaster (because I do not think that a game that has an entirely new combat system, camera angles and layout could ever be classified as a remaster). The remake was lovable, even perfect at times but it was all undermined starting with Aerith's sense of Sephiroth in the intro and its escalation from there into whisperers and then slaying Fate itself. This remake could have been my dream but unlike that 60% that blindly love the game or the 20 % that like it but at least can admit it has flaws I get pushed into the last 20 % that more or less hate the game for any reason. I do not hate the game (it is a mixed bag as I want the game to be an 8). Rather I hate the fandom for accepting the whisperers addition but more importantly I hate that they try to silence me regardless if I am kind or not, love things or not just because I think SE messed up a very important point. I would rather join the hate group and show SE that this is not how you do a remake than joining those that blindly love whatever (because they get to see their favorite characters, and they claim to not be blinded by nostalgia -_-) or those that accept this game in hopes for the next. Seeing how the fanbase is also split into at least 3 big factions (Aerith live vs Aerith die, New random shit vs staying on course, Timetravel/cross-dimension that allows Zack and Sephiroth, etc to be time travelers) I cannot see how SE will be able to work on this franchise going more and more installments deeper as they will shave off a portion of the fanbase each game. Then again FF VII remake will overshadow the OG because of it simply being a feast for the eyes in the current year and the Og is already a bad timeline so remake will replace OG as "the real lore" as well. It will introduce a lot of new fans, a lot of new fans that have to be told that they play a game called "remake" but still have to get all the OG+ material to understand the game and that in of itself leaves out the core plot thread of the new game: Destiny and time shenanigans. -____- Most people will be okay to even more thrilled in the following parts of the remake but as of now, that crowd is ~80 % at best. When will things start to shake the boots? 60 %? Maybe some people will rejoin when their fix is in focus but the game is already after the first installment against the theme in the OG so they should just go as crazy as they want until people no longer care (even if Aerith dies and there are installments afterward, she could still be revived somehow because of how SE treated the presentation and subversion in part 1). I will not be fooled by the trailers if they like previously (except release trailer) try to hide these big subversive moments. I will wait until a big portion tells me that the next installment is backtracking or else I am seeking water on a PC release at best.
@@vincentgraymore I didn't read this entire comment but I can assure you, I am not a purist FF7 OG *MAY* was my first FF game and my first entry to the FF world but I love how thing have turned out It's a literal fantasy game, what is realistic about a world like that? ( *am waiting for the hate comments to tell me. Am not a real. Fan etc.* ) xd
Mmmh I didn't like the combat system that much, camera is all over the place and when the enemies are not staggered is seems like I'm hitting them with wet noodles.
What gets me is how the fanbase over Remake is far worse than the fanbase of the original. The original had to accept that it was considered 'overrated' or it's apparently not as good as FF9 or FF6, whether or not it was their favourite. This game on the other hand? You can't say one bad word about it.
I feel like if the remake had no arbiters of fate and was not split into parts, it would've been a 10/10. The gameplay was great but the story was ruined by becoming about those dumb kingdom hearts whispers. I have no doubt that Aerith will live in the next part.
I really liked the game but the whispers were lame as. Game will probably be good in the future but I definitely feel the more Kingdom hearts it goes the less the fan-base will stick around as a large amount of people wanna play final fantasy and not Kingdom hearts, if I wanna play Kingdom Hearst I'll play it lol
yeah if they wanted to change the story slightly they could of just said its in a diff universe but they went with whispers which means you know no one can die if they didnt in the original (Barrett) and then multi part cash grab doesnt help
@@lorddiethorn I'm fine with them changing the story, just make a good story. Why would they want to defy fate when they save the planet and beat Sephiroth? Is it to save Aerith? To save Midgar? It seems so risky and dumb. They gave Sephiroth a chance at winning.
@@lorddiethorn Remake, Same Story Same Characters, just expendet. FF7R is more of A Reeboot because of the hard story changes. Rather call it FF7 Reimagined or Alternate, when it comes to the story.
Cloud in the 1st hour of the game: "I killed you." ...How!?, how the hell does Cloud know this after the 1st bombing run? It's like the writers themselves have amnesia, it's so dumb smh...
@@thatguybis1997 It is. Hojo is another one. Telling Cloud he never was in Soldier before the incompetent dementors come in too late and whisk him away. My soul still aches from this game lol.
@@lowlife9315 Yes, we know this. But Cloud didn't know up until Tifa helps him remember, when they both fall into the lifestream at Mideel, much later in the story. Even if you add a dumb time travel element, he still shouldn't have known... Unless Sephiroth used telepathy or something lol. It's not explained at all, just thrown in. Also the ending of FF7R is ridiculous: Cloud was nowhere near strong enough to defeat Sephiroth at that point, but he's slicing through trains and buildings? It's retcon rubbish imo.
@@lowlife9315 Cloud never remembered what happened after he faced off against Sephiroth in his recollection of the Nibelheim Incident. In fact, the fact that he didn't know how the showdown ended was one of his motivators for chasing after him (Since clearly if they're both alive after their supposed death-match then something must be going on).
I'm so mad if Zack's going to be alive. As you can tell from my User-name, Zack ist my most favorite Character. He is so lovable, goofy, nice, funny, honorable and always there for those dearest to him. I was heartbroken at the ending of Crisis Core even though I exactly knew what was about to happen. His death has auch an emotional impact after having gotten to know him so well in crisis core. Sure - Zack being alive and reuniting with Aerith would be the Happy Ending he deserves. But live doesn't always happen this way. Part of why he is my favorite character is because of his tragic fate. Because even the nicest ones don't always get a happy ending. Having him alive would take away all of that. And ultimately it would mean that nobody needs to suffer and everybody gets a happy ending. But life just doesnt work that way Apart from Zack as a Person, his death is crucial to the story and Clouds mental state. His plot is of such a significance to Clouds past that I can't Imagine how they'll handle the massive changes. Him beeing alive leads to none of clouds mental state, his behavior, his past and his Motivation making any sense. As sad as it is: Zack (and Aerith, too, by the way) HAVE to die. Final Fantasy VII is about loss and coping with it. With Zack and Aerith being alive it won't be Final Fantasy VII anymore. Just some bad fanfiction. Also in my opinion they took away so much of the menace and mystery of sephiroth by showing him way too early. And after having beaten him at the Ende of FF7R, what else is there to come in the other parts? Fighting him everytime as Boss will get boring and won't Serve the story...
But Zack is still dead in their timeline They crossed a portal, that means they are in alternative universe/dimension Just pay attention to the dog in the bag flying by in cutscene where Zack appears The breed it's different from the dog shown through out the game.
@@zackfair6203 I respect that But I actually don't mind it, I love alternate dimension/time travel stuff, yes I'm one of the ones that loves the OG, and still loved how the remake turned out to be And I see it has not a remake but a sequel of the OG or a continuation of advent children And Im honestly happy that they changed a bit, otherwise I would be playing same game over again This way u can still be surprised of what's to come. I honestly believe the same important beats of the OG will still happen(like tifa going to clouds conscience and help him place his memories back together) but maybe in different ways, or what's leading you there it's different Thank u for being polite, I know the community is divided
@@hug0682 EXACTLY FINALLY someone opened minded Am a HUGE FF7 fan too, FF7 OG was my first FF game and my first entry into the FF series I totally agree with you I love how the has game turned out as well
@@zackfair6203 *Here is the thing though* : There are people who saying *JUST* cause *FF7R* had as a final boss both arbiters of fate and sephiroth it was a *KH* game ? 🤨🤨🤨 Or Harry Potter ??? 🤨🤨🤨 Power rangers ? Maybe ? 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷 And that it didn't made sense for something like that to be included in *FF7R* ............................................. Okay 😑 My honest opinion about this is : Am sure *FF* games never had ghosts in it right ? 🤪 I mean *WHY* would they even have that ? 🤪 In a grounded and realistic world like *FF* right ? 🤪 Where its a literal *FANTASY / FAIRY TAIL* world with mystical magic dragons , magic and place you and me have never seen Nooooo, of course not , why would it have ghosts ? 🤪 And what do I know ? Its not like i have played every *FF* game ! { except 0 , 11 , 14 and tacticts } -.- but am thinking i may give tactics a chance NO ! Of course not ! what do i know right ? 🧐 🤷 Its not like ghosts were in *FF IV , FF VII , FF X , FFXII , FFXIII , FFXV* No ! God no ! i mean it wouldn't even make sense , *RIGHT* ? 🧐🤪🤨🤷 Neither time lines were involved in *FF* games since *1987* !!! *NOOOOO* ! *OF COURSE NOT* ! that just crazy ! *RIGHT* ? 🤪🤪🤪🤪 So from now on when ever i see any movie that has any kind of cars involved i will *automatically call it FAST & FURIOUS* cause *EVERY* movie that has cars in it is a copy of *FAST & FURIOUS* ! 👍👍👍👍👍 And when ever i see a movie with time line involved i will call it *BACK TO THE FUTURE* ! Cause every movie that has timeline involved is *BACK TO THE FUTURE* 😊 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
While I still prefer turn-based battles, FFVIIR's combat system is probably the best real-time action battle system in an RPG. BUT I've never liked the stagger mechanic because it turns every boss fight in FFVIIR into overly long battles where you feel like you are barely doing any damage for way too long until they finally let you deal decent damage. And then you usually have to repeat that stuff for two other phases before you can defeat the bosses. Boss fights always feel like they are just on the verge of being too long and grindy. I agree with everything you say on the story. They ruined it. -_- Stupid fan-service Sephiroth... They had one job to do. It was pretty much a freebie. And they somehow screwed it up. It's so frustrating.
You don’t want to hear this, but this crap started with Crisis Core. It was a game to bloat Zack and make Cloud look like a weak guy. The OG FF7 had Zack as a plot device FOR Cloud’s development… but now he’s like the big hero of the whole show. It’s boring, and Zack is boring.
I’m somewhat of a Zack fangirl and I despise Crisis Core! Zack has very little character originally (as you said, he was a plot device), but what we do see is a selfish, womanizing guy who dragged a comatose Cloud straight back into Midgar, the literal worst place they could have gone. Cloud’s standoffish persona was him imitating ZACK. Crisis Core throws all that out the window for a typical shonen protagonist. Crisis Core imo is also responsible for a lot of Cloud slander. I’ve seen people straight up claiming that Zack is the “true hero” and Cloud is just an emo. It’s a frustrating series of retcons, to say the least
@@hollyshock8400 " I’ve seen people straight up claiming that Zack is the “true hero” and Cloud is just an emo. It’s a frustrating series of retcons, to say the least" Which is funny because the original was supposed to be the reverse. Zack was a highly trained elite warrior who still fails, while Cloud was the everyman grunt but succeeds where Zack failed because more was at stake for him.
@@PaulvonOberstein Exactly! The way I interpreted the OG was that: Sephiroth was a false hero, Zack was a Shinra Soldier who Cloud idolized as a hero, and Cloud is the TRUE HERO that neither Zack or Seph really were
Not really, I think people wanted something like Resident Evil Remake but Final Fantasy, similar length, all the same content plus some new stuff to spice it up.
People wanted a Remake not a Reimagine. Remasters are upscaled with existing assets, Remakes have new assets, new up-to-date gameplay and add content that was cut from original due to time constraints.
@@Garry_Combine yea exactly and also to clarify A port is a game that is taken directly from one console and placed on another, functionally unchanged (besides obvious things like code and such). A remaster is a game that is taken from an old console, polished and fixed up assets (in both graphics and gameplay), and then is brought to a new console. A Remake says lets build it all again from ground - up like Spyro the Dragon, in none of those should the foundations like the story be changed.
this is the problem with a multi part game. They now have to have a dramatic boss fight to finish everyone and they have now said its not a trilogy its indefinite. KA-CHING
@@hustler666100 Yeah because Motorball is not dramatic enough, why? Because whole game long they wanna taunt us with Sephiroth when that part of the game was supposed to be about Shinra. Surprise, surprise, nobody ain't interested in Motorball anymore because they wanna see what these floating trash bags are about and that guy with the long sword and long hair standing in the flames.
Persona series is way better because it has better story and morally grey characters and the characters are more relatable in my opinion final fantasy series to me is meh its not bad but the characters felt meh and its sequels felt their not connected and its all over the place and its confusing the only good thing about final fantasy is just the graphics nd the visuals which they focus way to much it's like watching a fucking Disney movie also the reason why it's overrated is because of the visuals final fantasy writing is pretty forgettable its more like a hack'n slash than a rpg because it felt the story more forced than having choices thats why I prefer persona series better because in persona you have many choices well I might be wrong and its my opinion.
Fortunately, the modding community has basically created a real remake at this point. HD backgrounds upscaled via ai, better chibi models on the world map via ninostyles on the nexus, upscaled world map, remastered spell textures, 60fps, true widescreen, higher resolution menus, 60fps upscaled cutscenes with ninostyle chibi models inserted where appropriate (I still don't understand how they managed that bit of black magic), the list goes on but you get the idea. With a little bit of legwork (very little, the program 7th heaven makes it as simple as downloading what you want and checking a box) you can create the remake we all wanted.
"One of the best looking games I've ever played" ...? That's just like, your opinion man. I saw tons of low res textures that shocked me as they were reminiscent of early 2000 era games, clashing meshes (one example being outside of Don Corneo's mansion), glitches and flaws all over this game. Like rotating the camera angle around a stationary Cloud and the lighting/shadows change; that's not how physics works, he'd be lit the same from any angle no matter which way you look at him. A graphical praise is a bit misplaced, in my opinion. Sure the poly count in the high res textures of the main characters is impressive, they slacked on almost everything else. Just putting fancy atmospheric density, lighting flares, and overpowered reflections to mask it. Sometimes it just looks like a JJ Abrams wet dream. I totally agree about your critique of the whispers and being trapped in the linear paths. The music is varying in quality and style, some is completely terrible! The combat is a good part of this game, it's just too monotonous.. The weapon upgrade system was my favorite addition to final fantasy.
I looked forward to this game so much, played the original so many times and was completely open to new directions, expansions and visuals. But when I saw those whispers my heart sank. Nomura pulled a Kingdom Hearts on this game and can't wait to suck out thousands of dollars out of the fans pockets. I wouldn't put it past them to never have Open World in the next game and having nothing of the original story continue on. Not to mention never letting a single character die because 'sad feelings' are bad. Felt like this would be written better by children. Went from loving this game to hating it in a matter of chapters. Thanks for ruining one of my favorite games, Nomura.
Ever since Nomura is getting high responsibility in SE, the Final fantasy games are getting down in terms of story, in the Original FF7 Nomura has designed the characters but he didn't even knew their personally. He didn't even understood Cloud's personality.
Nah, I prefer the turn based of the 97 game over this. Would have much preferred something along the lines of FFXII battle system, I just don't think SE does well when they go the action RPG route.
@Aaron9 Am I? One of them is still considered an absolute masterpiece, while I can't say I've heard much about FFVII-Remake in gaming circles recently even with the expansion/DLC it had and the PS5 upgrade.
FF7R2 is gonna take place in irl Tokyo, Cloud and Sora will spend the whole game hunting down all the people who ever said Nomura couldn't write a good story. Meanwhile dozens of important characters from several IP's will stand in the background and stare into the middle distance while expositing for 19 consecutive hours about the inheritant evil of criticizing creative minds. And Goofy will die again for another 12 seconds.
The worse part is I can't get my damn money back for the FF7 remake crap. It's like 60 bucks for a 10th of the original game. Ooh it had pretty pictures. Plus the game engine is bullshit. What a great disappointment and a waste of time.
I'm not gonna pretend like I was/am some big Final Fantasy fan. I was never really into turn-based RPGs so I never got around to playing the original FF7 and I was hoping that the remake would be the perfect way to get into the game and experience the story but when I heard that they changed so much of it and did it for the worst, I was so depressed to hear that. The one time I probably could've found a way to experience FF7 and they go and blow it. I mean it's cool to hear that the combat is great in the game but in a game like this, it really doesn't mean much if the story is crap But honestly as soon as it was revealed that Tetsuya Nomura was the director for the remake as well as being the writer for the story, that really should've marked the big giant red flag in things. I think Nomura is a decent artist (even if he suffers from same face syndrome as demonstrated in the Kingdom Hearts series) but he's just a shit story writer. Look at what he did with Kingdom Hearts, it's just a mess. I just feel like unless he's gonna be making his own game franchise, he should be nowhere near a remake of a game if it isn't just strictly art design. Oh and what you said about the music, that's kinda how I feel about most modern games in general. Like I mea cinematic score type of music is fine and all but I think part of the charm of OSTs from the 5th generation was how because technology wasn't too advanced, video game composers would get really experimental with their songs and I just miss that kinda approach when it comes to video game OSTs. Orchestral songs are fine but because they're so overused now in most video games, they just don't stand out all that much and I would rather take an experimental type of OST over generic orchestral music but that's just me. Anyway I enjoyed the review. It's such a shame that they really dropped the ball with this game's narrative. They had one job, just one. Touch up the story a bit while keeping it the same. But nope, they had to go all Kingdom Hearts with it and it just completely weakened the story in the process, what a waste.
I think I may have to make a sequel to this video, with all the announcements of FFVII Intragrade, and then the remake of VII on mobile phones, and then the announcement of a FFVII Battle Royale. They are just milking FFVII for all it’s worth, and ruining the game in the process.
@@thatguybis1997 Wow I didn't even know they were taking that milking further, that is frankly disgusting. I mean I already knew about Intragrade with Yuffie but it's like they aren't even trying to be subtle about it now lol. The sad thing about all this is that you know there will be blind praise for this but I seriously would like to think more people will catch on.
I have tried to fight for people like you. People that either missed or didn't play the OG and wanted to get into the actual story of FF VII with this remake but are confused and/or sad that they do not get the OG experience. I do not expect a remake to be the magical 1:1, but they did not have to make a multiple timeline pseudo-sequel that has flash forwards and basically tells us the OG was a bad timeline by fourth wall breaking and in-game dialogue even saying "we can change it, make it right". It is like an uphill battle against well armed firearms troops barricaded in concrete bunkers while I am left with the crappy starting gear of a rusty sword and wooden shield. Many old fans that found the subversion great and new people that are bedazzled by graphics or just the excellent characterization silence everyone not loving the game like an Inquisition. I have seen content creators fall victim to mobs by people that love the game and are now afraid of covering FF VII news. The thing I wanted the most was to be able to try and convince people (my friends) to like FF VII in the same/similar manner that I did. When I played the remake with a pal his mind became "poisoned" forever by now having alternative versions of the characters and timelines combined with fighting fate incarnate on his mind which was far from what happened in the OG. He cannot get the OG experience anymore, and he will never play an old JRPG. My heart bleeds for the new legacy of FF VII Remake which is that of being more than less different in comparison to the OG. Either being "bold" and going full out different, sequel or not, or being bashed for backtracking. The meta discussion has to a large extent overshadowed the story itself. Despite all this most people like it, old and new and I do not really get it. I thought people wanted to experience the story again or for the first time and not getting whatever this game will be defined as. Instead, people value their hype and excitement of the unknown, which will last a few years while the story of OG being a masterpiece could have been eternal. Then again many-most people claim this is a masterpiece and that it is simply better and just an extended version, so people with criticism should just shut up. Sorry if this was spoilery and long :S. Edit: The vast majority love the game just a FYI. :S. All metrics show this by reviews and polls.
@@vincentgraymore I understand and while the majority are loving and praising this game to the high heavens, as someone who vastly prefers experiencing the original game a remake is based on before I play the remake, I just cannot fall for this... Bastardization of the story. Like I said in my post, I didn't know a ton about the story outside of a few things and even I could tell when they added those stupid "Whispers" into the game when they weren't there in the original, it was gonna be some BS going on. I still remember back in the day when Advent Children first came out and many OG FF7 fans didn't like it and thought it ruined the lore of the original game it was based on and now it seems like the Remake is following in it's footsteps. Time Travel & Different dimensions especially is not something that should've been a thing in FF7 to begin with. At this point, I'm just gonna wait and hope that maybe an indie game developer comprised of devoted OG FF7 fans come together and remake the old game wiith touched up graphics and maybe change the combat style while keeping the story beats the same.
Zack's return is just as stupid, its all fan service. There were no consequences at all for the first part of this game, PART 2 better perform some kind of miracle to convince me to continue with this "REMAKE".
You just don't understand because you haven't explored all of the FF7 and KH content out there. If you did you'd realize that the Genesis we saw in Crisis Core, quoted as saying _"Nothing shall forestall my return"_ (an obvious reference to Zack's return in FF7R), was actually Zack himself, and the person we thought was Zack was actually one of the ghost heartless. Meanwhile the real Genesis at this time was off in another dimension helping Sora under one of his other aliases: Goofy.
I actually liked this review. As someone who grew up on the original, there really is a lot to complain about here. Even while considering this being a sequel, there're a lot of minor details that get changed about who the characters are that go against the reasoning behind the story of the original. I haven't played this since it came out at this point, but I recall Aerith saying a few lines that totally contradicted core aspects of the original, like she somehow regressed and forgot a couple things while somehow being an arbiter of the future? It just doesn't work for me. I don't recall right now; Has Zack communicated with Cloud subconsciously in this game at all? That was the alternate text whenever Cloud was out of it, right? Zack and Cloud knew each other, and Zack died while Cloud was struggling with mako poisoning, so I was assuming the whole time that Zack was trying to remind Cloud to be himself by communicating through mako, since mako is all spirit energy and Cloud should've been in a psychosis from the poisoning. This is also a comment on how the people close to us remain with us after death, like the commentary on Aerith's death being relative to the passing of Sakaguchi's mom. It is kind of sad for that to not be a major point here. Even as a sequel, the events that saved Zack occur at the very end of the game, so... why wasn't he provably dead before that? Has the nature of how mako works completely changed to make room for whispers? "I was curious about what would happen if I attempted to analyze life in a mathematical and logical way" really does sum up why there was something special with the original; They were trying to write for their own fulfillment. I only catch glimpses of this as past references in Remake, and it's really not a flattering contrast. When I wanted a remake as a teen (when they had the PS3 tech demo), it was because I automatically assumed the heart of this creation would be recaptured and further embellished on. I did not anticipate production teams multiplying in size making large projects more impersonal.
Square Enix trashed a story that many thousands of ppl fell in love with. Why did they think this was okay? Doing this would cause 50% to be unhappy... but if they kept it true to the original, 99% woulda been happy with the remake... so wtf?! This is not a smart decision. One can create a new game but don’t change another games story... and if you do, let ppl know and call it something else like final fantasy 7 alternate dimension. But even that I think is dumb... don’t mess with a story, there will always be 50% or more ppl who hate it.
I remember people hating Advent Children and all the spin-offs that followed when they first released. How this game gets all the constant praise it does blows my mind especially after the addition of the Dirge of Cerberus characters in the latest DLC.
New audiences are young kids that graphics are everything. They would hate any classic because the graphics sucks and are dated. I'm glad I can still enjoy old games
@Aaron9 facts ? The only fact I see here you spend way to much time insulting people on comments that have a different opinion than yours. If you enjoy it good for you but you should insult people with valid critisim
@Aaron9 I did. Mainly all of the compilations. Not in the gameplay aspect but in the story where they constantly add characters and create an even more convoluted, melodramatic story for a game that didn't need those additions. FF7 had some plot holes, yes...but in my opinion, all it needed was to be fleshed out a bit more with what they already had. Instead it was turned into an almost fanfic style story that is now canon. Like I said, Advent Children, Before Crisis, Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus were HATED by the fanbase when they first released because of the alterations (and also just not being very good) this is the same situation. That's all I'm saying.
The soundtrack is spectacular The combat is amazing The character models are beautiful The voice acting is wonderful The graphics is beautiful (yeah there are some textures) The boss fights are out of the world. The cutscenes are amazing The writing is bad tho The level design is questionable The tension is ruined The ending is.....
@@lorddiethorn The writing in the original didn't need to be exquisite because the bandwidth of the story-telling was low-resolution. There was no thing to compare it to. It was blazing new trails. Remake suffers from so many problems. I couldn't even finish it, and I'm so glad I only paid $20.
Even if they do manage to keep the same plot of the original games, it’s no longer a game about experiencing loss and learning to live through that grief. Preventing Aerith’s death seems like it’s going to be the whole focus of the story and even if she does die, the game is now about fighting fate. One thing I loved so much about the original was how real it was. Seriously! The only two things that were Fantasy about it were a tangible afterlife and limit breaks, and boy does the game dig deep into those two things creating power and magic. But the character and situations they found themselves in were very similar to our own world (corporation taking over the world and destroying the planet for the sake of profit, oppression of the working class, imperialism, etc). I really hate that the developers decided to have me, as these characters, destroy my hopes for me to share one of my favorite, pulp stories. Oh well. I personally still have the original and will continue to sing it’s praises. I do enjoy the battle system of this game, despite being terrible at it, but I won’t be telling people to play it nor do I expect to buy a PS5 and play it on there. If I must, I will watch Max Dood play it or something.
It's funny cuz after some years of looking into the game's story it is ABSOLUTELY still a story about loss and grief. Rebirth's trailers have shown that things are not taken at face value. While Zack is "alive" there are many many things pointing to the fact that it could all be another trick by the story to make us believe things will be different. Not to mention that in Zack's weird dimension or whatever it may be the ENTIRE TEAM is dead. Leaving Biggs to pick up the pieces, to deal with that loss. Figure out a purpose. All the themes of the OG are here and more potent then ever. Just gotta look a bit deeper into things instead of taking it all at face value. I for one do not trust the story they are leading us to believe. I think we are all in for a very rude awakening when Rebirth drops....
Great review! Solid points. Makes me want to play the original instead of this version. Too many people gush over the game and won't hold a real opinion until years later once the rose tinted hype glasses fade.
The original isn't as fluid, like it's easier to get lost especially if you don't pay attention. You can discover hidden bits of the game. Like when I played I walked into the Honey Bee inn. My friend played it and completely skipped it which I didn't think was possible. The original has a lot of secrets and some I saw that I can't even find anywhere on Google. It's not perfect in that sense... yet it keeps a mystique.. And the original still does a much better job with the storytelling, dialogue, the darkness and grit. So you have to use your imagination to visualize the real characters over the old, just like we had to do in back in the day. Don't rush the game, get lost in it, and it'll make sense.
@@FleshToDust I agree, but you can kinda tell when it's also not communicated well. The immersiveness in the town is a little easier in remake. But it's also a stupid area that takes up 40% of the game according to my PS4, and it has one single whistling track the whollle time. Original soundtrack was better, and fit the slums.
🌸❤️I am quite disappointed by what we got and my interest in the remake has dwindled. It does not matter what they do next, it is already ruined. I do not see how they turn it around.❤️🌸
_"BIGGS! WEDGE! JESSIE! MARLENE!"_ _"Barret, Marlene is safe!"_ _"Marlene's safe?? But still, Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie..."_ _"No Barret, they're all safe too."_ _"Oh. Well still, the people of the slums..."_ _"Yeah actually all of them escaped."_ _"Well awright then."_
There are people who saying *JUST* cause *FF7R* had as a final boss both arbiters of fate and sephiroth it was a *KH* game ? 🤨🤨🤨 Or Harry Potter ??? 🤨🤨🤨 Power rangers ? Maybe ? 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷 And that it didn't made sense for something like that to be included in *FF7R* ............................................. Okay 😑 My honest opinion about this is : Am sure *FF* games never had ghosts in it right ? 🤪 I mean *WHY* would they even have that ? 🤪 In a grounded and realistic world like *FF* right ? 🤪 Where its a literal *FANTASY / FAIRY TAIL* world with mystical magic dragons , magic and place you and me have never seen Nooooo, of course not , why would it have ghosts ? 🤪 And what do I know ? Its not like i have played every *FF* game ! { except 0 , 11 , 14 and tacticts } -.- but am thinking i may give tactics a chance NO ! Of course not ! what do i know right ? 🧐 🤷 Its not like ghosts were in *FF IV , FF VII , FF X , FFXII , FFXIII , FFXV* No ! God no ! i mean it wouldn't even make sense , *RIGHT* ? 🧐🤪🤨🤷 Neither time lines were involved in *FF* games since *1987* !!! *NOOOOO* ! *OF COURSE NOT* ! that just crazy ! *RIGHT* ? 🤪🤪🤪🤪 So from now on when ever i see any movie that has any kind of cars involved i will *automatically call it FAST & FURIOUS* cause *EVERY* movie that has cars in it is a copy of *FAST & FURIOUS* ! 👍👍👍👍👍 And when ever i see a movie with time line involved i will call it *BACK TO THE FUTURE* ! Cause every movie that has timeline involved is *BACK TO THE FUTURE* 😊 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Blaming everything on Nomura ain't gonna fix anything Like it or not he makes millions where WE make nothing If he was as bad you curse him. To be then he wouldn't be with Square Enix But am sure you know that and that is why it bothers you soooo much
@@monkeydjimmy5169 by your logic every video game in human history and every successful writer ever is good and if you truly believe this your a mindless child who needs to grow up
No we do not all agree the combat is better in the remake then the original. I didnt need another particle filled half ass looking action rpg I like turn based combat
Honestly, I don’t understand why this is considered a controversial opinion. This game was a betrayal of the original, pure and simple. FFVII’s significance was due in part to its commitment to its themes of death, loss, and impermanence. These themes are present throughout the game from beginning to end. They are a fundamental component of FFVII’s identity as a work of art. To say that the ending of remake spits on these themes would be a massive understatement. When you do a remake of a work of art, if you take the same characters, the same setting, the same music, and the same broad story beats, it is in service of nothing if not the themes of the original. Just look at the new remake of All Quiet On The Western Front. It shares very little with the text of the original novel in terms of what happens in the plot, but the characters and the themes are there. I can enjoy it as a remake of the original, because it is so evocative of those original themes, and makes me experience a similar emotional response. In that regard, Remake objectively fails. By removing this world of its permanence, you remove the most important pillar of FFVII. Which is why so many of the comments from the devs are so confusing. They seem to fully understand the assignment, and even said in certain interviews that the Whispers and Sephiroth are only present because they wanted a dramatic final boss fight, and the Motorball didn’t seem climactic enough. They seem to acknowledge that it was a contrived subplot. They acknowledge that the plot will play out much the same. And yet, I find myself unable to trust them purely based on how strongly Remake speaks to the contrary. I’m holding out hope that Rebirth and whatever the third game is called will tie it all together, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I wind up disappointed.
Lmao!! A fair and well made review that talks about what the game does well and what it doesn't and it gets dislikes because Final Fantasy fan boys are the biggest losers of all time. Good thing fans aren't this insufferable for the rest of the industry.
@@thatguybis1997 People need to learn to except the truth and think past their own damn feelings. My friend beat the OG over 30 times and remixes FF7 songs, he fucking loves FF7 and he thinks the remake is flat out bad... it’s like who’s are these people that defend this game so hard? Paid square employees? Lmao
I cannot overstress just how much of FFVIIR was walking Cloud between cutscenes. I found myself _screaming_ at my TV "Shut up!! I just wanna play the fuckin' game!!!" I started skipping cinemas when the 3rd one started playing in 7th Heaven after spending what felt like forever slow-walking Aerith around the slums. If you need to make your characters squeeze through an opening or duck under debris or tiptoe across a platform every 50 paces to give the game time to load, maybe back off the graphics a little? SO. MUCH. Of this "game" was slow-walking and waiting. I feel like they deliberately empty your Limit gauges at the end of each battle just to make the Gotterdamerung seem cool. Had to break the game so the fix seemed worthwhile. Sorry but I'm not praising you for putting out a fire than you started. Combat was fun when you weren't getting bound/stunned/stopped/sleeped/frogged/waiting for the boss to stop being invincible every GD fight. Also, it feels like there was no combat. Enemies don't really respawn and the game prevents you from grinding but also that dumbshit Nomura is making the three parts incompatible with each other so any grinding you did do, just throw it out the window. "Hard" mode made it so you can't use items (at all) or restore your MP resting. Essentially, you can't use materia on Hard 'cause once you run out of MP you're done for the Chapter. It forced you to put Revive materia on everyone and save your MP exclusively to cast Life, and use Prayer (or Chakra, but, ugh...) to heal. What can be said about the -Heartless- whispers that hasn't already been said? Horrible concept. Ruined Sephiroth, ruined the "downtrodden" feel of the slums. Introduced incredibly annoying new characters. I actually really like Barrett and Tifa in combat. Cloud could have been done better, and Aerith was... a cool concept that didn't feel flushed out. The party members not being actively controlled by the player were basically worthless. Summoning seemed like it could have been a cool change, except the game only let you summon the DLC summons 90% of the time. At the end of the day, FFVIIR was a chore to play but after 138 hours we got it all done hoping part 2 would be less "walking in a straight line between cutscenes" but that dumbshit Nomura isn't making the parts of the game compatible with each other so there really is no hope and no point to get parts 2 nor 3.
Man, where do I begin.... To my OG's that gave this game a chance, I respect you and to my OG's that refuses to play it, I respect you more. I played remake w/o knowing any of the changes that were made from its original. For me, I think it was a good thing, bc I would've never gave this game a chance if I had known. I actually enjoy what's been going on...so far....only bc I have hopes of everything being put back into its rightful place when the game is finished. I never knew who Tetsuya Nomura was until I completed the game and I told a buddy of mine that the game reminded me of Kingdom Hearts and that's when he told me about the director of the game "Remake" and what's funny is I've played KHs starting with Roxas story and wanted to get deeper with the game so I decided to attempt playing all the KH games, but gave up when I got to the one when you attack using cards, which I thought was stupid so I gave up on it completely😂. I'll never accept this game to be a sequel, they would've been fine with no controversy if they had just followed the original story line, but I can appreciate what they are doing as long as they don't ruin the integrity of the characters that were sacrificed to create such a masterpiece. Anyone that grew up playing the original knows this is more than just a game to us. I really don't see this more than just a fanfiction game. The story was already told and ended in the original. I will play Rebirth and I will be spoiling the very last game they come out with before I even attempt that, which sucks, but I refuse to finish a game that completely ruins the story of its original by reviving important characters that played a significant role into making such a masterpiece.
testicle nomora always wanted to be a high fashion clothing designer and hes been using final fantasy to androgonize every male character for as long as hes worked there. i knew he was going to ruin it. i have come to distrust the japanese for what they did to Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy. i remember being embarrassed to admit liking final fantasy games for how gay the dudes were dressed in many of the games
I laughed hard when the Benny Hill music came on. The more time goes on, the more I think the remake's story changes are not just awful, they're incredibly weird as well. They're both simultaneously passive-aggressive towards the original fanbase and a lot of the things the original fanbase loved about the original game, at the same time as they're a runaway train of fanservice tropes. It's a weird mess of the dead hand of Nomura (Why they put him in charge of this after FFXV, only to sack him as director for the second part is beyond me) and a kind of commercialised lunge towards what they hoped would sell. (Sephiroth for days, nobody dies, bringing back Zack etc) Anyway, given S-E made it abundantly clear what they thought of the OG fanbase in the first part of the remake, I wish them all the luck they deserve when it comes to selling future parts.
All this and more. It was not what was expected and promised before. Purist or not... Since the merge, after FFX and the abandonment of the core idea to never make sequels, prequels and spin-offs (yes, that was a vital agreement, even if it meant bleeding money), Squaresoft and Enix (both legends in their respective days) have lost me and I never have spent a single cent on them since - just watched from afar. Ever since FFX-2 and many, many weird titles more havw proven my decision right. Some things need to die, even legends - only then they can stay legendary, before destroying themselves and the legacy they built. As they did and continue to do. Allowing Nomura (a character designer and visual artisst, and even he had some lucky hits with parts of FF7c and KH1) to direct is all proof one needs to see that. Endless growth is ultimately destructive and this cinematic, graphic-centered hot mess was the last nail in the coffin for S-E to prove that, and they earned it. They have long lost the need for story and art interested suporters, as they have fans now (fan = short for: fanatic), that are interested in spectacle, drool-inducing visuals and nothing more. S-E: "Fuck core principles of game design and make the ching ching with fanservice!" I too wish them luck, as it is just a business - nothing more. As with most games. That's just the reality.
My god that ending part is sooooo badddd ...they could change evrything but not with whispers and portals and multiple realities... this game is going to be an Avengers end game what i mean is they will lose in the world of remake and they will go get Aerith and Zack from that other reality to help them win super simple very 21 century. Lazy writing that is all.
The gameplay is boring. You basically go from point A to point B and that's the whole game. I have never played the original, so I have to nostalgic love of this game
This is the best remake that should not exist :S. Whisperers are the worst thing I have seen in a story ever. Introduced into a story/lore as a retcon. They have several functions: add a difference, be meta-commentary on both fans and creation, add possibilities, serve as a pseudo-final boss/antagonist, and above all they are used as cheap subversion (except the ending you have preventing Reno from dying and resurrecting Barret among a few). The worst aspect is that they are made to be really in our faces. They are supposed to be something used to prevent time deviations but as far as we know this is the only time they intervene and they only build up their failure. People say that Sephiroth is manipulating the party to defeat the whisperers but they are described as "the will of the planet". These people straight out expect the games to lie to us now. Tell us retcons or "solve" mysteries/definitions in the next installments. How can people enjoy this? It would not be good if Sephiroth used the whisperers for all the stupid things. The party knows that the whisperers know the future and represent the planets will but assume that there is a bleak future (and they do not mean bleak as in bleak for only humanity). The whole thing is stupid. Let's just hope it was all a bad dream or that the whisperers defeat defeated them even in the remake so that they are erased out of existence. That would be horrible storytelling but at least we can get back to FF VII -_-.
Its been this way with every product created after the Enix merger. The more control Enix (the dominate party in that merger) took over the company the steeper the visual aspects of the games got, while the depth of everything else plummeted. As someone whose an OG Square fan that still plays the older games to this day, if I could describe Enix in an analogy, it would be that Enix is akin to a very shiny puddle. In the art department, their products are always superb, but depth wise, almost everything they create is as shallow as a puddle. And 90% of the time, if it manages not to be shallow, its only because they copied mechanics from a now dead companies ancient intellectual property. And hell, they couldn't even get that right with FF7 remake. FFX was one of the last games that had any resemblance to a Square product, and even then you could practically smell the Enix influence in it looking back now. X-2 chronologically was the last game I played fully through, and that was only due to my attachment to the characters from X. Everything after that is a let down after a let down, if not narratively (usually the case), then mechanically (so don't start with that FFXII shit). I always found it ironic that because Sakaguchi made one bad business decision involving a certain infamous movie and they got rid of them (despite him and others being the only reason Square made it past FF1 and single-handedly built the multi million dollar franchise enix survives on remakes of today). Yet Enix spent the next 10 years losing money for the square brand after ousting him and never accosted itself for being such a fuckup afterwards before finally finding its disgraceful niche as a publisher first and foremost of other peoples games, and spending 2 decades remaking/porting someone elses games from 20-30 years ago (that they got fired nonetheless) to stay afloat. Unfortunately Square's history, like so many other game development studios from the past is no longer a unique story, as this has happened to most of the previously independent developers from yesteryear that saw their demise in the publisher boom of the 2000's
I strongly expected that the story would be kept intact, only with higher graphics. And i was thrown down, yes part 1 is enough, no other parts would be welcome
FFVII-Reboot. Btw, I do like Zack even more than Cloud, but his death has a deep role on Cloud's character development. By undoing it, I'm afraid the impact of Cloud persona wouldn't be as strong as in the original game.
“The combat outdoes the original in every way” No it does not. It’s the exact same auto-pilot bullshit that had plagued the series since Kingdom Hearts. Completely uninteresting button-mashing that tries to turn a JRPG into an action RPG.
Just replayed the remake in a sort of hopes that I could convince myself that the remake was good. NOPE! Still angry at how Nomura ruined what should have and could have been the perfect game. I had some small glimmer of hope that perhaps they might retcon and patch out the whole whisper shit. But then I played the DLC and it seems to confirm that they intend to shit all over FF7. All they had to do, was update the graphics [Check]. Improve the combat system. [Check]. Music was already excellent [Check]. Add to the story and develop characters. [Check]. Keep the core storyline intact. [NOPE].
I agree with you. Time traveling part of FF7 world is weird. But go read Nojimas novella. Black and white livestream chapters. Time traveling is hinted. Advent children sepheroith also summons the ghosts. That said I don't really want a sequel but a remake. 95% of the remake game is a remake which is why I loved it so much. The 👻 sucks
@@TheHatorihanzoe It is called Negative Lifestream and for someone hinting the novels, you should know that it is not at all the whisperers. Even if it was it would make AC a sequel to the remake and not the OG (without going into the fact that there are no rules established for how time and space now works in the FF VII universe). Also, yes the "timetravel" can be "found" if you are looking for it and if you draw hasty conclusions. The obscure novels are a "great" source for it. 2 years ago no one would have thought of an FFVII multiverse but now it makes me sick even thinking that it could be a thing. I can understand wanting "whatifs" or new content but I cannot understand people wanting time travel and dimensions in a series that has more or less actively avoided them for so many titles. It is like people do not care about a world and its setting and it becomes like WoW where every trope possible exists in the end. SE chooses to add them in a "remake" of all places. The problem is that as someone that liked everything FF VII (and "casual" not earth/fate/time shattering) in this game the whisperers foundations and rules retcons FF VIIs lore into oblivion but people do not care about the world at all (just the characters and locations). Trading a few years of curiosity for a classic story that will now forever be compared and undermined because of the fidelity of the "new story" seems to be of the highest order of disrespect to me. And when these people's curiosity is shattered by Aerith still dying and Zack never joining the party as well as no additional Sephiroth I will not share a tear. When all fan theories are wrong I will not offer any mercy. I am not confident in them actually going the same route as the OG but if they do not then the OG will really just be the bad timeline. Literally, something to that is less "worth" and many people will not get into because of outdated mechanics and 90s game fidelity. In my eyes a remake is not supposed to overshadow and forget the OG, it is supposed to enhance and bring forth the OGs qualities without changing the core and story (but yes I am very well aware that people cannot even agree on this but where was the core of Fate, ghosts connected to all time and space as well as a Sephiroth time traveler in the OG+?). A sequel is supposed to build upon the franchise to further the quality of that series, big retcons are the worse thing they can do. DoC suffered heavy backlash for it and it was tame in comparison to the remake (it is also funny how DoC is now praised as it can elevate the remake, not the world of FF VII OG+). OGs fall from grace will only get worse for each installment in the remake as more and more people will stick to the remakes modern aspects. Each installment will perhaps increase the sales and playthrough of the OG but it will not be because people are interested in FF VII but because they are interested in FF VII remake. Instead of looking for similarities, people will now obsess at looking at differences or rather how to implement them. People talk about the themes being destroyed but they are not even present and going forward it will be very hard to get back to anything even resembling it as the OG and remake stand in stark contrast in regard to theme and execution. The game does not have "added details" because these additions are insanely important as a concept of the world. It is like we would have another form of gravity added to our world but and if our world was like this remake we would be able to defeat that "new" gravity. It is not silly, it is beyond silly. As much as I liked all the characters, presentation, and style I just get angry when I think that we are not playing Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Aerith and Nanaki vs Sephiroth. We are playing Cloud 2, Tifa 2, Barret 2, Aerith NG+/0 and Nanaki 2 ½ vs Sephiroth NG++. Zack 3.0 gets to live as well as Biggs 2.
The installments in the FF7 Compilation were already full of annoying convoluted narrative decisions and retcons, so at this point Remake going off script shouldn't have surprised me, but it still did. The "whispers of fate" or whatever being some weird metacommentary on the very nature of remakes is just the writers using them as an in-universe excuse to free themselves up to make even more drastic changes in the future installments and it's concerning, because the original game on its own had such a great story, and tampering with it is completely unnecessary. It's just a bizarre decision on both a business and creative level, and it's hard to even properly judge what they're doing until we see where Remake goes from here, but I'm getting real tired of retcon city.
Never played the original and I agree with you. Great battle system cause I do enjoy action n turn based but the story is just confusing to me. Not just the ending but the little plot elements or dialogues that they throw with no context for new players :D
Yeah, this was honestly a sequel, not a remake. But it's not even a sequel until the end, which just exacerbates how this game doesn't know what it wants to be.
@@thatguybis1997 Square Enix are very closed and do not let any information to leak out on purpose I believe they know very well where they want this to head for but they try to keep low profile It's like with MGS games where Kojima disguised a movie as a game And it's the best story telling game ever THE MOST REALISTIC GAME GROUNDED STORY MADE by our God Kojima 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌 Amen The messages and meanings this game passes you and teaches you is CRAZY 🤤🤤🤤😍😍😍 ANYWAYS : BACK TO FF7R They probably already know where they wanna head with this, they just keep a low profile They DID say that THIS would be the fifth title in the compilation and final installment to th FF7 compilation after all
@@thatguybis1997 Also MG and MGS games are hands down THE best games ever For me 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Don't know about others But MG and MGS games have tesched me so many things that as a kid I wasn't able to understand until I grew up and i was shocked with what the game tesched you Am telling you its crazy No other game puts you into questioning your *OWN MORALS* or put you into the shoes of your enemy and makes you understand them and even sympathize Not many games can do that I often found my self when I was playing MGS games questioning my self, are my actions good? Or bad?
@@thatguybis1997 But then I remembered Gray Fox and what he said to Snake : *We are not tools of the government, fighting was the ONLY thing I was ever good at, but at least I ALWAYS fought for what I believed in* That sh*t kept me going through the game I continued even if I was right or wrong That is why I do not take FF games as ✌️realistic✌️ and ✌️Grounded✌️ worlds Cause they are a FANTASY / FAIRY TAIL WORLD of magic, mystical magic dragons and places we have never seen before
@@monkeydjimmy5169 _"That is why I do not take FF games as ✌️realistic✌️ and ✌️Grounded✌️ worlds Cause they are a FANTASY / FAIRY TAIL WORLD"_ Lucky for you... the Raven on my head tells me the future. What's more I can read into your mind, and I also use blood transfusions to help me get into character when I'm acting. In other words, being grounded isn't about being set in Alaska vs Midgar. It's about respecting the boundaries and conditions of the world being explored. This is why The Twin Snakes was so much less grounded than MGS: Twin Snakes had Snake jumping off of missiles mid-air and dodging bullets, whereas MGS only had the Ninja doing those sorts of things. Likewise, FF7 has characters with swords that can fight armies, but they still get hurt or die if they fall from too high, they still have power scaling that they can't readily overcome, and they still keep the story narrative focused on the game's primary themes. In FF7R, depending on the needs of the plot, falling may or may not be dangerous, Sephiroth may or may not be too powerful to overcome, and themes of fighting destiny and fate overshadow themes of loss and permanence.
Agree on the ending and the graphics, but disagree on the rest. Battle system and music were not on improvement. Played and finished the remake during last Christmas holiday. Took me about 26 hours and I felt mostly blank while playing it, because of all the useless added filler. Battle system was a joke and required no strategy at all. Just mash until stagger and then unleash your built up limits or strongest attacks. Socbasically it was like this. Battle mash, walk through mediocre linear tunnels and passages, battle mash, get some cutscenes which were mostly crap for everything that was additionally added, do some more linear walking, do some mindless bashing... continue until the end were you get raped by the story were it all goes completely of the rails and you feel very dissatisfied. I immediately started playing the original again afterwards... my God, that game is so much better. Everything is better, except the graphics, but even those don’t look so bad after 23 years. I am currently close to finishing the original, which took slightly more than 30 hours. Compared to the remake, the original’s 30 hours is an emotional rollercoaster with high’s and lows, real character development, great story, better music, better pacing and no filler. It’s all just perfect, combined with fantastic battles that require strategy, planning and thinking ahead. I give the original a 10/10 and the remake a 6/10. Graphics alone don’t make a good game Square.
Especially "thenofiller" part is important. In OG there was no sidequest which was worthless. Every sidequedt did give something valuable or unique. Pseudoremake is 30% filler/worthless quests for worthless items.
all they had to do was "same story, better graphics", but instead they made "the story 2: Rebuild of FF7. Change Destiny", an alternate timeline soft reboot sequel. it's false advertising, bait and switch, and an insult to the fans. now because of this we'll never get a true remake that's just "ff7 with better graphics".
If he was that bad and didn't made millions they wouldn't hire him Simple as that This is a bussines not a family business If you don't make money you don't worth anything to be hired
Linear play through is always so disappointing when there is such an open world feel. The many side missions and surprise characters is one of the reasons Zelda is my favorite franchise.
I really don't get people who says that (FFVII: Nomura's joke) battle system is good. In my opinion this battle system fails in every way possible. It is terrible as a turn based game (because it isn't onw, instead it let you slow down the action to cast spells that feel insignificant anyway), it is terrible as an action game (because again, it isn't one, It is a button masher that never feel satisfying or have any weight on it.) To me this game can't scratch the itch of playing a turn based JRPG, and also doesn't work as a action game (Damn DMC 5 is so much cheaper and so much better). Why the foock I would like this battle system?
You know, if these clowns had just told us from the get go that this was going to be "A bold and inventive take on FF7! A reinterpretation of the classic story you know and love for a new generation! The Kingdom Hearts generation!" Then that would have been one thing. I would have vehemently disagreed with that as a decision but at least I could have known what their intent was and, you know, not bought the fucking game. Ruining FF7 is bad enough, but giving everyone the bait and switch to trick long time fans into buying their "remake" is goddamn unconscionable.
I'll be honest. I don't know if there was any way they could have re-made this game that I would have been happy with. But the way they chose to go doesn't simply fall-short of my nostalgia-filled expectations. It makes me wish I never wanted a remake to begin with.
This game hurt my soul, we wanted a Remake not a Re-Imagining.. The original story was perfect, it didn't need anything changed or added and if that's what Square wanted they should have titled it accordingly, as well I've heard that Rebirth is being made so that anyone can pick it up and play it even if they didn't play FF7R, which tells me that there is no continuation or character progression from the first game and if there is any it will be very minor, WTF IS THE POINT!?! We wanted a FULL Remake, not 7 games that aren't connected that you have to restart on each game, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE People speak with your money and don't buy this stupid cash grab, then maybe they'll do a real Reboot of the game, not 7 separate disks that don't connect
I am deeply and chronically bothered by what they did to the childhood game that significantly shaped me. You discover one piece of bliss in this world, and someone always has to take it and ruin it. What's worse is that no one seems to agree with me. Everybody is totally happy with this abomination.
I respect your opinions and views as a consumer. But to say that this new game is never wanted maybe is going over the line. It's as simple as chamillionaire said. If you dont like on the radio or the television then just switch the station. Don't assume that everyone didnt want it. I am also pissed off at these sorry attempts of changes. But I also think getting something new from the old game is also good. If I want to play the old one. Then I will play the old one. I agree that they shouldn't have named this remake because it obviously isn't a remake. But is it really a bad thing? Is this whole thing really bad for everyone? It's not like they force-stopped us from playing the old one and forced to consume this new one. It's still your choice.
It's not controversial to say this story sucks, it just does. This is a dumb sequel that's going out of its way to destroy the original story, so they can remove all tragedy, emotion and blood. This story is going to have everyone holding hands and singing under a rainbow at the end. More Zack is bad. He's not an actual character, he's a part of Cloud's backstory. That's all he was meant to be, doing more with him in this story is just going to feel weird and out of place. If he's running about then it's like there are two Clouds existing at the same time.
The battle system is so damn good - but I'm never able to enjoy it, because every second cutscene drags me out of the experience by being a perversion of the original game.
How can any fan of the original like this attempt and how many are still hyped for part two after playing this. terrible writing and decisions have ruined this remake. part two can stay unfinished.
This whole game feels like one big dumb excuse to not kill aeris. And zack being alive totally ruins clouds character arc. Big ol fuckin waste of a "remake"
They got the absolute worst people possible to write Remake. Both Nomura and Toriyama love their destiny & time-travel bullshit - the more nonsensical, the better.
Just finished re-imagining (ill never call this a remake) The first glimps of sepharoth was actually really good, i thought it was a cool idea to see what's in clouds head and a nice expansion to create more character depth and a whisper (shouldve been the only whisper in existance in this game) of what's to come. THAT SHOULDVE BEEN AS FAR AS IT WENT, Just spilling the fucking beans and getting rid of all build up and tension.... i'm suprised namura didn't tweet out "im sorry this never happened before youre just so pretty"
pair this with the most flaccid reactions to absolute tragedy and what should be mind-blowing moments for the characters and you have a 2/10 for everything that really matters in a game.
You actually have such a great perspective and I respect you for a video as well put as this! There are many points that I agree with you on, especially the change in story which for me is a No-Go since the original was better for me as it is. Having finished the OG, it is a masterpiece which shouldn't be messed with as the story is already perfect as it is. If they were to contradict this, then the AC wouldn't make any sense, when it is to be considered as the one that will close FF7's story in its entirety. But meh, let's just see how things would play out soon enough lol. If they were to change most major plot points in the story, then it would make more fans to stray away from FF7R.
Thank you! Check out the update video (most recent upload) I made on this as well. Would love to hear your thoughts on that as well from someone who’s a fan of the original.
haha that Benny Hill music for Sepiroth. I hated that game with a passion, I stopped playing it when I realized it was ruining my memories of the original 7.
There is no fixing it. The game sold millions and they made their money so they'll milk it as much as possible and Rebirth is going to be more of the same.
Update to this video here: ruclips.net/video/byxcnUO_2uI/видео.html
You'll be eating your sock once you play the next iteration: Final Fantasy VII 2, Birth by Dirge of Advent Hearts, and find out that Zack was Donald Duck from the start.
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As far as theories go, that isn't another timeline where zack lives, aparently, defeating the whispers have undone all that they did on past, present and future, so things like the artist that made stamp the dog a beagle and zack dieing were undone becouse of that, so the past changed a lot, but the party and sephiroth only have memories of the events as they were before entering the portal, and i think squere should leave anyone related to kindom hearts away from the script of final fantasy games.
@@uchihajunior5648Barret would be dead then.
Original theme: the delicate balance of one life affecting another, and accepting reality
New theme: DENY REALITY LOL TIME TRAVEL KINGDOM HEARTS
A very 2020/2021 theme, I might add. One thing they got right was the combat, finally.
This made me laugh
This Combat System was just Another nail in this shits coffin for me.
The System trys to be darksouls, but its Not. Reacting to Enemy attacks With skillful dodging Is impossible, attack is pure Button smashing, 0 tactics involved and to make up for the constant, unpreventable damage you eat, the Game throws a shitton of potions at you which Makes it Even less about skillful playing. Dont get me wrong, combat systems dont have to be about dodging and reacting quickly, but of they are Not, Then they shouldnt make me think That they are.
This Game Is a mess in Every way imaginable and a total insult to all the fans
@@friedrichschadow I can only assume from your comment that you didn't play the game, or if you did maybe had it on the 'story mode' which deliberately makes combat super easy, because the combat is very much based on tactics
@@friedrichschadowhow tf is it trying to be dark souls lmao
combat was trash- constant immunity of bosses, damage dealt was 5-7 hit points per hit haha and stun lock is ass
The greatest switch and bait tactics from Square Enix. This company is shell of its former self. Glad I did not buy this game
I’m glad I bought it for you so that you didn’t have to play it lol
@@thatguybis1997 much appreciate the sacrifice of your hard working money. Keep up the good work.
yeah the game sucks its a shitfest omg like look at cloud now
@@thatguybis1997 dont be dumb. Pirate it. Enix DOES NOT deserve ANY money. They shall go bancrupt! Maybe than we will get squaresoft back.
I did not buy it either I’m more interested in FFXVI taking the series back to its root!
"...Update the combat.."
The fuck? "Okay everyone, chess is outdated. We have far better war simulators now. Why are people still playing chess?" Is that what you're saying?
Also you said "more character development". They turned Jesse from a team player who might have shyly had a crush on Cloud, to someone who forces herself on him and tries to get between Cloud and Tifa. Bugs and Wedge really aren't any more developed than in the original. They had Jesse join Cloud in rolling her eyes to Barrett's speech in the elevator even though all the members of Avalanche share that same passion. They made Aeris appear to be on the same side as Sephiroth because she's willing to risk the sure victory that's fated to happen just to save herself.
I agree with you that they made a weird KH-esque sequel more than anything but you were still extreme light on this game.
The combat needed an update. People are always gonna have a problem with the change, but I personally loved it.
I will say the extra character development, looking back, I was a little soft on. I should’ve been harder on it there.
@@thatguybis1997 There's no such thing as "updating the combat". That's definitely not how things work which is why I mentioned the chess example. Chess is essentially a war game as is any MOBA or strategy RPG but neither supercedes Chess. 3D platforners also didn't replace 2D platformers. Games may be software but that does not mean that updates apply to them in the same way as OS or something.
FFVII had it's issues. It's English translation could have been better, it didn't support movement with the analog stick, targeting in battle was an issue at times, they didn't yet master the pre-rendered backgrounds thing which made some maps hard to understand, music transitions were very abrupt most of the time, the backgrounds were low resolution and couldn't scale , and it's clear that the in-game graphics weren't what they wanted them to be. These are all technical details that hindered the game and most of them were fixed in subsequent games. The game became a classic despite these technical limitations. It did not, however, become a classic despite it's gameplay and genre. The battle system worked exactly as it was meant to. If they didn't want to have a turn-based battle system then they wouldn't have done one originally.
If there's any remaining barriers for games being appreciated as art, it's the video game players seem to have inability to see the actual gameplay as art.
The degree that some people have embraced the remake makes me wonder what they liked about the original to begin with. Was it just that Cloud and Sephiroth looked "badass"?
@@myownfriend23 This is just what I think especially in remakes that totally change the original formula, and how do you say if the "fans" applaud those changes then what did they think of the main game? I think that turn-based combat is one of the pillars of the saga and it makes no sense to say that you like RPGs and at the same time think that turn-based combat has nothing to offer anymore.
Dude I love turn based combat but OG FF7 was piss easy for most of the game. Comparing it to playing chess is pretty hilarious. You can make turn base combat exciting like Bravely Default's system but FF7s combat is extremely vanilla.
@@ShoegazeSage I thought Bravely Default's battle system was incredibly boring but whatever, not a bad game and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I never said FF7's battle system was as difficult as chess. I said that calling turned-based games "outdated" is the same as calling chess, a notably turn-based games, outdated.
Its videos like these that make me appreciate the remake even more
I can’t agree more. The took the suspense away from sephiroth. The game was good but they are destroying the gem of a game they had. I don’t understand how they can rebound. Whoever had the final say really dropped the ball. This game was the top rpg. The remake should be scraped. I don’t even care how good the next installments are. Won’t be buying something that ruined my favorite game and story of all time.
I blame Tetsuya Nomura hardcore to be honest. So much of his KH bull is in this game it’s ridiculous. It’s a shame cause it’s clear they worked hard on it
That's why I believe this wasn't a remake but a sequel to the OG or a sequel of advent children.
But what suspense?
We all know who sephiroth is and what he wants.
U can't act like u would be surprised if the story played out the same as OG
It would be predictable for the OG fans (unless u didn't play the OG)
So they put a twist where u don't know where this leads too
The moment Zack was confirmed to be alive...
Cloud as a character was literally robbed of all significance to the story.
The new story has no weight and all the ppl who wanted to experience the game, like we did just on better graphics.
(This is their first impression)
Its almost like it's a REMAKE not a REMASTER aka it is remade with some story being the same and some being different seems to me like someone dosent know how to let go of the past and be open to new experiences
@@AA-sw5pb then just make a new fuckin game😂😂😂😂
@@AA-sw5pb ok my biggest issue also is we live in an era where where trauma is considered valid.
But nobody remembers the trauma surrounding the original characters for FF7.
A traumatic overshadow that reflected the harsh reality that was the setting of the game.
The remake sugar coats it with plot armor now, what made 7 what it was,
Easily the ironic presence of reality in a fantasy story.
Roche exists the generalize the idea of homosexuality in it's fan base.
But his dialogue is that of a Chad in someone's DMs.
SMH what ppl will put up with to just get a flashy new game is crazy.
It's also why the original FF Tactics reigns in the top 10 titles still too.
@@AA-sw5pb It's not a remake. It's a sequel.
@@AA-sw5pb yoor definition of remake is wrong first off this is clearly a sequel and its just every story element of this game was worse if you are a fan of the original. They could of just made a new game but wasnt confident enough so slapped ff7 on it.
Alot of people are spam hating any youtuber that has anythin negative to say, dont let that get you down, I enjoyed your review.
I figured this vid was gonna get some hate. No worries man, thanks for the support!
@@thatguybis1997 speak your truth, your tribe will find you :) good luck in your other reviews
I respect RUclipsrs that speak their true opinion and don't care about the dislikes they get. True real fuckin ppl right there. Can't stand RUclipsrs who say the same shit as everyone else and can't for a real true opinion for themselves
Yup, FF fanboys are the worst. The game is coming out in parts and we would be doing good by critiquing its obvious flaws in hopes of change and they are still hating/ignoring any honest negative feedback. I hope this game milks those "fans" because that's what they deserve.
@@thatguybis1997
It's really hate
If we call it a hate then *this video is a hate video it's self*
Depending on HOW someone is gonna approach you
Am not here to trash talk to you
Am here to point out what I feel I didn't liked
It's okay to have your own opinion and am not gonna judge you for that
However, since this is a discussion video you cannot expect for people not to say anything about it
I understand *BOTH* sides who hate the game and who love the game
I stead of been a hater I have put my self into everyone's *shoes* to understand what they mean
That is why I have this opinion and I say the things I say
Do not miss understand me mate
Well nice edited video
But I do not agree with this
Cloud is just bad at producing a powerful enough patronus to get the dementors to go away, I wonder what horrible things Avalanche has done to end up having to go to Azkaban
Hahahahahahaha! Ahh. That’s hilarious
dementor dementor😂
@@obitoxshinobi8978 this is some solid proof that the Harry Potter Universe takes place in the same world as FF7's
@@prestonak 😂
Defeated sephiroth. in game 1. Part 2 - here's a giant snake. Where's the tension? Such dumb direction - thanks Nomura.
Dumb direction from a frankly dumb guy who has no talent in storytelling, never make an artist tell a story.. unless they can actually pull off a good job of telling a cohesive and in depth one.
No thank you yaoi fan production team.
Let's only focus on sexual tension or situations.
Thanks for body shaming a made up character just to give us a flamboyant dance routine that had no real significant meaning to taking down Shinra.
The shitty appeal tactic they pulled to pull in new fans.
Castlevania made an anime universe
and even though it doesn't fall right in line with the games...
It doesn't change them either.
Sad when another company can get it exactly right not even trying.
But here comes the new line up for the production team at Square-Enix!
Trying to make sense of the kingdom hearts franchise through other titles.
@Aaron9 you again ?
@Aaron9 They still introduced him far too early.
Real FF7 original fans: look how they massacred my boy :(
yeah dude look at what they did to aerith ew shes a dumb fuck of destiny now
I prefer this one actually
@@alventuradelacruz522 That's nice that you prefer the sequel.
*EXACTLY* !
Because who ever disagrees is not a *real FF7 OG fan* well said !
@@monkeydjimmy5169 nah
Yes finally someone gets it.
They destroyed the story line.
Graphics eye candy that's all.
Yep it seems like it's essentially a solid gold, jewel encrusted turd. Seemingly beautiful on the outside... Sorta lol But at the end of the day, it's still a turd.
Seems like all they care about is sexy anime character fan service and crazy action scenes straight out of The Matrix. I mean yeah that's probably gonna reach a wider audience since kids today have no taste when it comes to anime. lol
Should've just called it final fantasy 7: new timeline/reboot, since they're not gonna follow the originals storyline for long instead they're gonna make cash grab spinoffs out of this "remake"
New people are playing this under the impression that it's the same thing. Heck i keep running into so called fans telling me that it IS a remake and that the original fans wanted a remaster instead. It's so backwards!!!!!!
@Epik still i would have preferred an alternate optional ending, kinda like what Max Payne 2 did
@Epik You clearly don't know what a remaster or a remake is. This is neither
@Epik Yes a remaster is the same game code, just updated to better graphics like Metal Gear Solid 3 HD or the PS3 version of Shadow of the Colossus. A remake is where they remake the same game like Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes or the PS4 version of Shadow of the Colossus.
Nobody wanted a remaster, they wanted a remake. However this remake is actually a sequel to the original game with Sephiroth trying to change the timeline and the whispers trying to preserve the original games events. You could be generous and call it a re- imagining but it definitely can't be called a remake.
@Epik Yeah.
Man I can't stress over how much I agree with you. Whenever you talk about this with someone they say "HURR DURR iTs A nEW eXPerIEnCe TaKE yoUR NosTAliGA glASSes oFf". Not understanding that I want a new experience but I don't want them to piss all over what made the original so great....
That’s why I just had to make a video about this game, I felt there were so many others who felt the same way I did but I couldn’t find a single video expressing how I felt. Most everybody praised the remake, and I do think it deserves praise but my god. Overall, what a missed opportunity.
It's not even nostalgia I played the OG again after the remake and the OG is ages better still
The problem is that all sides have the nostalgia glasses but the ones hating "purists" are getting a triumph card because purist in of itself is considered a bad word. However, they who hate purists are also blinded by nostalgia since they want the game to have Cloud, Tifa, Aerith, Barret, Red XIII, Sephiroth, Midgar etc. They do not want the remake to be "FF XVI" because they want the stuff they love. I would not call myself a purist, nor would I want to claim that I wanted a remaster (because I do not think that a game that has an entirely new combat system, camera angles and layout could ever be classified as a remaster). The remake was lovable, even perfect at times but it was all undermined starting with Aerith's sense of Sephiroth in the intro and its escalation from there into whisperers and then slaying Fate itself.
This remake could have been my dream but unlike that 60% that blindly love the game or the 20 % that like it but at least can admit it has flaws I get pushed into the last 20 % that more or less hate the game for any reason. I do not hate the game (it is a mixed bag as I want the game to be an 8). Rather I hate the fandom for accepting the whisperers addition but more importantly I hate that they try to silence me regardless if I am kind or not, love things or not just because I think SE messed up a very important point. I would rather join the hate group and show SE that this is not how you do a remake than joining those that blindly love whatever (because they get to see their favorite characters, and they claim to not be blinded by nostalgia -_-) or those that accept this game in hopes for the next. Seeing how the fanbase is also split into at least 3 big factions (Aerith live vs Aerith die, New random shit vs staying on course, Timetravel/cross-dimension that allows Zack and Sephiroth, etc to be time travelers) I cannot see how SE will be able to work on this franchise going more and more installments deeper as they will shave off a portion of the fanbase each game.
Then again FF VII remake will overshadow the OG because of it simply being a feast for the eyes in the current year and the Og is already a bad timeline so remake will replace OG as "the real lore" as well. It will introduce a lot of new fans, a lot of new fans that have to be told that they play a game called "remake" but still have to get all the OG+ material to understand the game and that in of itself leaves out the core plot thread of the new game: Destiny and time shenanigans. -____-
Most people will be okay to even more thrilled in the following parts of the remake but as of now, that crowd is ~80 % at best. When will things start to shake the boots? 60 %? Maybe some people will rejoin when their fix is in focus but the game is already after the first installment against the theme in the OG so they should just go as crazy as they want until people no longer care (even if Aerith dies and there are installments afterward, she could still be revived somehow because of how SE treated the presentation and subversion in part 1). I will not be fooled by the trailers if they like previously (except release trailer) try to hide these big subversive moments. I will wait until a big portion tells me that the next installment is backtracking or else I am seeking water on a PC release at best.
@@vincentgraymore
I didn't read this entire comment but I can assure you, I am not a purist
FF7 OG *MAY* was my first FF game and my first entry to the FF world but I love how thing have turned out
It's a literal fantasy game, what is realistic about a world like that?
( *am waiting for the hate comments to tell me. Am not a real. Fan etc.* ) xd
@@krusenator123
Depends on how you feel and see things
But it's *totally understandable*
Mmmh I didn't like the combat system that much, camera is all over the place and when the enemies are not staggered is seems like I'm hitting them with wet noodles.
What gets me is how the fanbase over Remake is far worse than the fanbase of the original. The original had to accept that it was considered 'overrated' or it's apparently not as good as FF9 or FF6, whether or not it was their favourite. This game on the other hand? You can't say one bad word about it.
Because these type of fans are in a cult.
I feel like if the remake had no arbiters of fate and was not split into parts, it would've been a 10/10. The gameplay was great but the story was ruined by becoming about those dumb kingdom hearts whispers. I have no doubt that Aerith will live in the next part.
I really liked the game but the whispers were lame as.
Game will probably be good in the future but I definitely feel the more Kingdom hearts it goes the less the fan-base will stick around as a large amount of people wanna play final fantasy and not Kingdom hearts, if I wanna play Kingdom Hearst I'll play it lol
yeah if they wanted to change the story slightly they could of just said its in a diff universe but they went with whispers which means you know no one can die if they didnt in the original (Barrett) and then multi part cash grab doesnt help
It’s called a remake
@@lorddiethorn I'm fine with them changing the story, just make a good story. Why would they want to defy fate when they save the planet and beat Sephiroth? Is it to save Aerith? To save Midgar? It seems so risky and dumb. They gave Sephiroth a chance at winning.
@@lorddiethorn Remake, Same Story Same Characters, just expendet. FF7R is more of A Reeboot because of the hard story changes. Rather call it FF7 Reimagined or Alternate, when it comes to the story.
Cloud in the 1st hour of the game: "I killed you." ...How!?, how the hell does Cloud know this after the 1st bombing run? It's like the writers themselves have amnesia, it's so dumb smh...
Actually holy shit. You’re right. Wow, that is really dumb
@@thatguybis1997 It is. Hojo is another one. Telling Cloud he never was in Soldier before the incompetent dementors come in too late and whisk him away. My soul still aches from this game lol.
Cloud killed sephiroth in the past
@@lowlife9315 Yes, we know this. But Cloud didn't know up until Tifa helps him remember, when they both fall into the lifestream at Mideel, much later in the story. Even if you add a dumb time travel element, he still shouldn't have known... Unless Sephiroth used telepathy or something lol. It's not explained at all, just thrown in. Also the ending of FF7R is ridiculous: Cloud was nowhere near strong enough to defeat Sephiroth at that point, but he's slicing through trains and buildings? It's retcon rubbish imo.
@@lowlife9315 Cloud never remembered what happened after he faced off against Sephiroth in his recollection of the Nibelheim Incident. In fact, the fact that he didn't know how the showdown ended was one of his motivators for chasing after him (Since clearly if they're both alive after their supposed death-match then something must be going on).
I'm so mad if Zack's going to be alive.
As you can tell from my User-name, Zack ist my most favorite Character. He is so lovable, goofy, nice, funny, honorable and always there for those dearest to him. I was heartbroken at the ending of Crisis Core even though I exactly knew what was about to happen. His death has auch an emotional impact after having gotten to know him so well in crisis core.
Sure - Zack being alive and reuniting with Aerith would be the Happy Ending he deserves. But live doesn't always happen this way. Part of why he is my favorite character is because of his tragic fate. Because even the nicest ones don't always get a happy ending.
Having him alive would take away all of that. And ultimately it would mean that nobody needs to suffer and everybody gets a happy ending. But life just doesnt work that way
Apart from Zack as a Person, his death is crucial to the story and Clouds mental state. His plot is of such a significance to Clouds past that I can't Imagine how they'll handle the massive changes. Him beeing alive leads to none of clouds mental state, his behavior, his past and his Motivation making any sense. As sad as it is: Zack (and Aerith, too, by the way) HAVE to die.
Final Fantasy VII is about loss and coping with it. With Zack and Aerith being alive it won't be Final Fantasy VII anymore. Just some bad fanfiction.
Also in my opinion they took away so much of the menace and mystery of sephiroth by showing him way too early.
And after having beaten him at the Ende of FF7R, what else is there to come in the other parts? Fighting him everytime as Boss will get boring and won't Serve the story...
But Zack is still dead in their timeline
They crossed a portal, that means they are in alternative universe/dimension
Just pay attention to the dog in the bag flying by in cutscene where Zack appears
The breed it's different from the dog shown through out the game.
@@hug0682 I know that.
But honestly I don't want all that alternate-timeline-crap. That's just not Final Fantasy 7
@@zackfair6203
I respect that
But I actually don't mind it, I love alternate dimension/time travel stuff, yes I'm one of the ones that loves the OG, and still loved how the remake turned out to be
And I see it has not a remake but a sequel of the OG or a continuation of advent children
And Im honestly happy that they changed a bit, otherwise I would be playing same game over again
This way u can still be surprised of what's to come.
I honestly believe the same important beats of the OG will still happen(like tifa going to clouds conscience and help him place his memories back together) but maybe in different ways, or what's leading you there it's different
Thank u for being polite, I know the community is divided
@@hug0682
EXACTLY FINALLY someone opened minded
Am a HUGE FF7 fan too, FF7 OG was my first FF game and my first entry into the FF series
I totally agree with you
I love how the has game turned out as well
@@zackfair6203
*Here is the thing though* :
There are people who saying *JUST* cause *FF7R* had as a final boss both arbiters of fate and sephiroth it was a *KH* game ? 🤨🤨🤨
Or Harry Potter ??? 🤨🤨🤨
Power rangers ? Maybe ? 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
And that it didn't made sense for something like that to be included in *FF7R*
............................................. Okay 😑
My honest opinion about this is :
Am sure *FF* games never had ghosts in it right ? 🤪
I mean *WHY* would they even have that ? 🤪
In a grounded and realistic world like *FF* right ? 🤪
Where its a literal *FANTASY / FAIRY TAIL* world with mystical magic dragons , magic and place you and me have never seen
Nooooo, of course not , why would it have ghosts ? 🤪
And what do I know ? Its not like i have played every *FF* game !
{ except 0 , 11 , 14 and tacticts } -.-
but am thinking i may give tactics a chance
NO ! Of course not ! what do i know right ? 🧐 🤷
Its not like ghosts were in *FF IV , FF VII , FF X , FFXII , FFXIII , FFXV*
No ! God no ! i mean it wouldn't even make sense , *RIGHT* ? 🧐🤪🤨🤷
Neither time lines were involved in *FF* games since *1987* !!!
*NOOOOO* ! *OF COURSE NOT* ! that just crazy ! *RIGHT* ? 🤪🤪🤪🤪
So from now on when ever i see any movie that has any kind of cars involved i will
*automatically call it FAST & FURIOUS* cause *EVERY* movie that has cars in it is a copy of *FAST & FURIOUS* ! 👍👍👍👍👍
And when ever i see a movie with time line involved i will call it
*BACK TO THE FUTURE* !
Cause every movie that has timeline involved is *BACK TO THE FUTURE* 😊 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I 100% agree. I waited years for the remake and to be left disappointed about it just feels so unjust.
While I still prefer turn-based battles, FFVIIR's combat system is probably the best real-time action battle system in an RPG.
BUT I've never liked the stagger mechanic because it turns every boss fight in FFVIIR into overly long battles where you feel like you are barely doing any damage for way too long until they finally let you deal decent damage. And then you usually have to repeat that stuff for two other phases before you can defeat the bosses. Boss fights always feel like they are just on the verge of being too long and grindy.
I agree with everything you say on the story. They ruined it. -_- Stupid fan-service Sephiroth...
They had one job to do. It was pretty much a freebie. And they somehow screwed it up. It's so frustrating.
You don’t want to hear this, but this crap started with Crisis Core. It was a game to bloat Zack and make Cloud look like a weak guy. The OG FF7 had Zack as a plot device FOR Cloud’s development… but now he’s like the big hero of the whole show. It’s boring, and Zack is boring.
This. Plus, they retconned his and Aeriths relationship completely too. The whole compilation added nothing to FF7 and only degraded it.
I’m somewhat of a Zack fangirl and I despise Crisis Core! Zack has very little character originally (as you said, he was a plot device), but what we do see is a selfish, womanizing guy who dragged a comatose Cloud straight back into Midgar, the literal worst place they could have gone.
Cloud’s standoffish persona was him imitating ZACK. Crisis Core throws all that out the window for a typical shonen protagonist.
Crisis Core imo is also responsible for a lot of Cloud slander. I’ve seen people straight up claiming that Zack is the “true hero” and Cloud is just an emo. It’s a frustrating series of retcons, to say the least
Not to mention adding other boring characters, like the red haired version of Sephiroth, just for Nomura to sate his weird belt and zipper fetish.
@@hollyshock8400 " I’ve seen people straight up claiming that Zack is the “true hero” and Cloud is just an emo. It’s a frustrating series of retcons, to say the least"
Which is funny because the original was supposed to be the reverse. Zack was a highly trained elite warrior who still fails, while Cloud was the everyman grunt but succeeds where Zack failed because more was at stake for him.
@@PaulvonOberstein Exactly! The way I interpreted the OG was that: Sephiroth was a false hero, Zack was a Shinra Soldier who Cloud idolized as a hero, and Cloud is the TRUE HERO that neither Zack or Seph really were
Well I agree with most points but Zack should stay dead. Can't stress that enough. His character died so cloud could shine.
You’re not gonna like the ending of intergrade
@@thatguybis1997 I looked ahead cause I'm not buying consoles anymore but yeah... I know
@@thatguybis1997 Well... did you like it? Perhaps I missed it, but what was your thoughts on intermission?
A lot of people really wanted a remastered version but not a remake, they kinda just ruined it
Not really, I think people wanted something like Resident Evil Remake but Final Fantasy, similar length, all the same content plus some new stuff to spice it up.
@@kazmodan82 Cringe dialogue, huh? No offense but that's kinda subjective...
People wanted a Remake not a Reimagine. Remasters are upscaled with existing assets, Remakes have new assets, new up-to-date gameplay and add content that was cut from original due to time constraints.
@@watchthisspace2576 So, like Resident Evil for the GameCube?
@@Garry_Combine yea exactly and also to clarify A port is a game that is taken directly from one console and placed on another, functionally unchanged (besides obvious things like code and such). A remaster is a game that is taken from an old console, polished and fixed up assets (in both graphics and gameplay), and then is brought to a new console. A Remake says lets build it all again from ground - up like Spyro the Dragon, in none of those should the foundations like the story be changed.
You had one job Nomura... best job in the world for such a stylistically motivated director.
And the dude got bored during the home stretch.
He got bored with it because he came to terms with his mom dying.
He just isn't fresh on the feeling like he was 24 years ago.
this is the problem with a multi part game. They now have to have a dramatic boss fight to finish everyone and they have now said its not a trilogy its indefinite. KA-CHING
@@foxmoth8010 I thought it was Hironobu Sakaguchi's mom that died...
@@TenderViddlez It was.
@@hustler666100 Yeah because Motorball is not dramatic enough, why? Because whole game long they wanna taunt us with Sephiroth when that part of the game was supposed to be about Shinra. Surprise, surprise, nobody ain't interested in Motorball anymore because they wanna see what these floating trash bags are about and that guy with the long sword and long hair standing in the flames.
Persona series is way better because it has better story and morally grey characters and the characters are more relatable in my opinion final fantasy series to me is meh its not bad but the characters felt meh and its sequels felt their not connected and its all over the place and its confusing the only good thing about final fantasy is just the graphics nd the visuals which they focus way to much it's like watching a fucking Disney movie also the reason why it's overrated is because of the visuals final fantasy writing is pretty forgettable its more like a hack'n slash than a rpg because it felt the story more forced than having choices thats why I prefer persona series better because in persona you have many choices well I might be wrong and its my opinion.
Fortunately, the modding community has basically created a real remake at this point. HD backgrounds upscaled via ai, better chibi models on the world map via ninostyles on the nexus, upscaled world map, remastered spell textures, 60fps, true widescreen, higher resolution menus, 60fps upscaled cutscenes with ninostyle chibi models inserted where appropriate (I still don't understand how they managed that bit of black magic), the list goes on but you get the idea.
With a little bit of legwork (very little, the program 7th heaven makes it as simple as downloading what you want and checking a box) you can create the remake we all wanted.
I believe I’ll be making a video on that soon! As I did what you just described just the other week after buying VII on Steam.
You are describing a Remaster.
You Absolutely NAILED IT with your Sephiroth take! The Legend of Sephiroth in the Original added SO MUCH suspense and drama to the story
"One of the best looking games I've ever played" ...? That's just like, your opinion man. I saw tons of low res textures that shocked me as they were reminiscent of early 2000 era games, clashing meshes (one example being outside of Don Corneo's mansion), glitches and flaws all over this game. Like rotating the camera angle around a stationary Cloud and the lighting/shadows change; that's not how physics works, he'd be lit the same from any angle no matter which way you look at him. A graphical praise is a bit misplaced, in my opinion. Sure the poly count in the high res textures of the main characters is impressive, they slacked on almost everything else. Just putting fancy atmospheric density, lighting flares, and overpowered reflections to mask it. Sometimes it just looks like a JJ Abrams wet dream.
I totally agree about your critique of the whispers and being trapped in the linear paths.
The music is varying in quality and style, some is completely terrible!
The combat is a good part of this game, it's just too monotonous..
The weapon upgrade system was my favorite addition to final fantasy.
You must like the crystarium too from FFXIII 😂
I looked forward to this game so much, played the original so many times and was completely open to new directions, expansions and visuals. But when I saw those whispers my heart sank. Nomura pulled a Kingdom Hearts on this game and can't wait to suck out thousands of dollars out of the fans pockets. I wouldn't put it past them to never have Open World in the next game and having nothing of the original story continue on. Not to mention never letting a single character die because 'sad feelings' are bad. Felt like this would be written better by children. Went from loving this game to hating it in a matter of chapters. Thanks for ruining one of my favorite games, Nomura.
Ever since Nomura is getting high responsibility in SE, the Final fantasy games are getting down in terms of story, in the Original FF7 Nomura has designed the characters but he didn't even knew their personally. He didn't even understood Cloud's personality.
Nah, I prefer the turn based of the 97 game over this. Would have much preferred something along the lines of FFXII battle system, I just don't think SE does well when they go the action RPG route.
Fair enough.
@Aaron9 Am I? One of them is still considered an absolute masterpiece, while I can't say I've heard much about FFVII-Remake in gaming circles recently even with the expansion/DLC it had and the PS5 upgrade.
That ending, awkward yaoi time !!
Was funny, thank you.
I thought somebody would like that lol
FF7R2 is gonna take place in irl Tokyo, Cloud and Sora will spend the whole game hunting down all the people who ever said Nomura couldn't write a good story. Meanwhile dozens of important characters from several IP's will stand in the background and stare into the middle distance while expositing for 19 consecutive hours about the inheritant evil of criticizing creative minds. And Goofy will die again for another 12 seconds.
Final Fantasy IV on DS was a 1 to 1 remake in 3D and it was GOOD.
The worse part is I can't get my damn money back for the FF7 remake crap. It's like 60 bucks for a 10th of the original game. Ooh it had pretty pictures. Plus the game engine is bullshit. What a great disappointment and a waste of time.
I'm not gonna pretend like I was/am some big Final Fantasy fan. I was never really into turn-based RPGs so I never got around to playing the original FF7 and I was hoping that the remake would be the perfect way to get into the game and experience the story but when I heard that they changed so much of it and did it for the worst, I was so depressed to hear that. The one time I probably could've found a way to experience FF7 and they go and blow it. I mean it's cool to hear that the combat is great in the game but in a game like this, it really doesn't mean much if the story is crap But honestly as soon as it was revealed that Tetsuya Nomura was the director for the remake as well as being the writer for the story, that really should've marked the big giant red flag in things. I think Nomura is a decent artist (even if he suffers from same face syndrome as demonstrated in the Kingdom Hearts series) but he's just a shit story writer. Look at what he did with Kingdom Hearts, it's just a mess. I just feel like unless he's gonna be making his own game franchise, he should be nowhere near a remake of a game if it isn't just strictly art design.
Oh and what you said about the music, that's kinda how I feel about most modern games in general. Like I mea cinematic score type of music is fine and all but I think part of the charm of OSTs from the 5th generation was how because technology wasn't too advanced, video game composers would get really experimental with their songs and I just miss that kinda approach when it comes to video game OSTs. Orchestral songs are fine but because they're so overused now in most video games, they just don't stand out all that much and I would rather take an experimental type of OST over generic orchestral music but that's just me.
Anyway I enjoyed the review. It's such a shame that they really dropped the ball with this game's narrative. They had one job, just one. Touch up the story a bit while keeping it the same. But nope, they had to go all Kingdom Hearts with it and it just completely weakened the story in the process, what a waste.
I think I may have to make a sequel to this video, with all the announcements of FFVII Intragrade, and then the remake of VII on mobile phones, and then the announcement of a FFVII Battle Royale.
They are just milking FFVII for all it’s worth, and ruining the game in the process.
@@thatguybis1997 Wow I didn't even know they were taking that milking further, that is frankly disgusting. I mean I already knew about Intragrade with Yuffie but it's like they aren't even trying to be subtle about it now lol. The sad thing about all this is that you know there will be blind praise for this but I seriously would like to think more people will catch on.
I have tried to fight for people like you. People that either missed or didn't play the OG and wanted to get into the actual story of FF VII with this remake but are confused and/or sad that they do not get the OG experience. I do not expect a remake to be the magical 1:1, but they did not have to make a multiple timeline pseudo-sequel that has flash forwards and basically tells us the OG was a bad timeline by fourth wall breaking and in-game dialogue even saying "we can change it, make it right". It is like an uphill battle against well armed firearms troops barricaded in concrete bunkers while I am left with the crappy starting gear of a rusty sword and wooden shield.
Many old fans that found the subversion great and new people that are bedazzled by graphics or just the excellent characterization silence everyone not loving the game like an Inquisition. I have seen content creators fall victim to mobs by people that love the game and are now afraid of covering FF VII news. The thing I wanted the most was to be able to try and convince people (my friends) to like FF VII in the same/similar manner that I did. When I played the remake with a pal his mind became "poisoned" forever by now having alternative versions of the characters and timelines combined with fighting fate incarnate on his mind which was far from what happened in the OG. He cannot get the OG experience anymore, and he will never play an old JRPG.
My heart bleeds for the new legacy of FF VII Remake which is that of being more than less different in comparison to the OG. Either being "bold" and going full out different, sequel or not, or being bashed for backtracking. The meta discussion has to a large extent overshadowed the story itself. Despite all this most people like it, old and new and I do not really get it. I thought people wanted to experience the story again or for the first time and not getting whatever this game will be defined as. Instead, people value their hype and excitement of the unknown, which will last a few years while the story of OG being a masterpiece could have been eternal. Then again many-most people claim this is a masterpiece and that it is simply better and just an extended version, so people with criticism should just shut up.
Sorry if this was spoilery and long :S.
Edit: The vast majority love the game just a FYI. :S. All metrics show this by reviews and polls.
@@vincentgraymore I understand and while the majority are loving and praising this game to the high heavens, as someone who vastly prefers experiencing the original game a remake is based on before I play the remake, I just cannot fall for this... Bastardization of the story. Like I said in my post, I didn't know a ton about the story outside of a few things and even I could tell when they added those stupid "Whispers" into the game when they weren't there in the original, it was gonna be some BS going on. I still remember back in the day when Advent Children first came out and many OG FF7 fans didn't like it and thought it ruined the lore of the original game it was based on and now it seems like the Remake is following in it's footsteps. Time Travel & Different dimensions especially is not something that should've been a thing in FF7 to begin with.
At this point, I'm just gonna wait and hope that maybe an indie game developer comprised of devoted OG FF7 fans come together and remake the old game wiith touched up graphics and maybe change the combat style while keeping the story beats the same.
Zack's return is just as stupid, its all fan service. There were no consequences at all for the first part of this game, PART 2 better perform some kind of miracle to convince me to continue with this "REMAKE".
You just don't understand because you haven't explored all of the FF7 and KH content out there. If you did you'd realize that the Genesis we saw in Crisis Core, quoted as saying _"Nothing shall forestall my return"_ (an obvious reference to Zack's return in FF7R), was actually Zack himself, and the person we thought was Zack was actually one of the ghost heartless. Meanwhile the real Genesis at this time was off in another dimension helping Sora under one of his other aliases: Goofy.
I actually liked this review.
As someone who grew up on the original, there really is a lot to complain about here. Even while considering this being a sequel, there're a lot of minor details that get changed about who the characters are that go against the reasoning behind the story of the original. I haven't played this since it came out at this point, but I recall Aerith saying a few lines that totally contradicted core aspects of the original, like she somehow regressed and forgot a couple things while somehow being an arbiter of the future? It just doesn't work for me.
I don't recall right now; Has Zack communicated with Cloud subconsciously in this game at all? That was the alternate text whenever Cloud was out of it, right? Zack and Cloud knew each other, and Zack died while Cloud was struggling with mako poisoning, so I was assuming the whole time that Zack was trying to remind Cloud to be himself by communicating through mako, since mako is all spirit energy and Cloud should've been in a psychosis from the poisoning. This is also a comment on how the people close to us remain with us after death, like the commentary on Aerith's death being relative to the passing of Sakaguchi's mom. It is kind of sad for that to not be a major point here.
Even as a sequel, the events that saved Zack occur at the very end of the game, so... why wasn't he provably dead before that? Has the nature of how mako works completely changed to make room for whispers?
"I was curious about what would happen if I attempted to analyze life in a mathematical and logical way" really does sum up why there was something special with the original; They were trying to write for their own fulfillment. I only catch glimpses of this as past references in Remake, and it's really not a flattering contrast. When I wanted a remake as a teen (when they had the PS3 tech demo), it was because I automatically assumed the heart of this creation would be recaptured and further embellished on. I did not anticipate production teams multiplying in size making large projects more impersonal.
Square Enix trashed a story that many thousands of ppl fell in love with.
Why did they think this was okay? Doing this would cause 50% to be unhappy... but if they kept it true to the original, 99% woulda been happy with the remake... so wtf?!
This is not a smart decision. One can create a new game but don’t change another games story... and if you do, let ppl know and call it something else like final fantasy 7 alternate dimension. But even that I think is dumb... don’t mess with a story, there will always be 50% or more ppl who hate it.
I remember people hating Advent Children and all the spin-offs that followed when they first released. How this game gets all the constant praise it does blows my mind especially after the addition of the Dirge of Cerberus characters in the latest DLC.
New audiences are young kids that graphics are everything. They would hate any classic because the graphics sucks and are dated.
I'm glad I can still enjoy old games
@tom gu you just proved my point thanks kid. Thanks for showing us how weak this generation has become
@Aaron9 facts ? The only fact I see here you spend way to much time insulting people on comments that have a different opinion than yours.
If you enjoy it good for you but you should insult people with valid critisim
@Aaron9 I did. Mainly all of the compilations. Not in the gameplay aspect but in the story where they constantly add characters and create an even more convoluted, melodramatic story for a game that didn't need those additions. FF7 had some plot holes, yes...but in my opinion, all it needed was to be fleshed out a bit more with what they already had. Instead it was turned into an almost fanfic style story that is now canon.
Like I said, Advent Children, Before Crisis, Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus were HATED by the fanbase when they first released because of the alterations (and also just not being very good) this is the same situation. That's all I'm saying.
Dude why are there so many people disliking an opinion, swear some of these people need to grow up lol.
The soundtrack is spectacular
The combat is amazing
The character models are beautiful
The voice acting is wonderful
The graphics is beautiful (yeah there are some textures)
The boss fights are out of the world.
The cutscenes are amazing
The writing is bad tho
The level design is questionable
The tension is ruined
The ending is.....
The writing in the original is bad as well
this remake is a easy 6.5 to 7 out of 10. Atrocious decisions made in the writing and story. unforgivable and incompetent
@@lorddiethorn The writing in the original didn't need to be exquisite because the bandwidth of the story-telling was low-resolution.
There was no thing to compare it to. It was blazing new trails.
Remake suffers from so many problems. I couldn't even finish it, and I'm so glad I only paid $20.
Even if they do manage to keep the same plot of the original games, it’s no longer a game about experiencing loss and learning to live through that grief. Preventing Aerith’s death seems like it’s going to be the whole focus of the story and even if she does die, the game is now about fighting fate.
One thing I loved so much about the original was how real it was. Seriously! The only two things that were Fantasy about it were a tangible afterlife and limit breaks, and boy does the game dig deep into those two things creating power and magic. But the character and situations they found themselves in were very similar to our own world (corporation taking over the world and destroying the planet for the sake of profit, oppression of the working class, imperialism, etc).
I really hate that the developers decided to have me, as these characters, destroy my hopes for me to share one of my favorite, pulp stories.
Oh well. I personally still have the original and will continue to sing it’s praises. I do enjoy the battle system of this game, despite being terrible at it, but I won’t be telling people to play it nor do I expect to buy a PS5 and play it on there. If I must, I will watch Max Dood play it or something.
It's funny cuz after some years of looking into the game's story it is ABSOLUTELY still a story about loss and grief. Rebirth's trailers have shown that things are not taken at face value. While Zack is "alive" there are many many things pointing to the fact that it could all be another trick by the story to make us believe things will be different. Not to mention that in Zack's weird dimension or whatever it may be the ENTIRE TEAM is dead. Leaving Biggs to pick up the pieces, to deal with that loss. Figure out a purpose. All the themes of the OG are here and more potent then ever. Just gotta look a bit deeper into things instead of taking it all at face value. I for one do not trust the story they are leading us to believe. I think we are all in for a very rude awakening when Rebirth drops....
Great review! Solid points. Makes me want to play the original instead of this version.
Too many people gush over the game and won't hold a real opinion until years later once the rose tinted hype glasses fade.
I’m actually replaying through the original now, hilariously enough
I need to play it again as well. It's been since elementary days so the nostalgia is ridiculous
The original isn't as fluid, like it's easier to get lost especially if you don't pay attention. You can discover hidden bits of the game. Like when I played I walked into the Honey Bee inn. My friend played it and completely skipped it which I didn't think was possible. The original has a lot of secrets and some I saw that I can't even find anywhere on Google. It's not perfect in that sense... yet it keeps a mystique.. And the original still does a much better job with the storytelling, dialogue, the darkness and grit. So you have to use your imagination to visualize the real characters over the old, just like we had to do in back in the day. Don't rush the game, get lost in it, and it'll make sense.
@@eydk556 I see that as a pro. Less hand holdy and lots of optional areas.
@@FleshToDust I agree, but you can kinda tell when it's also not communicated well. The immersiveness in the town is a little easier in remake. But it's also a stupid area that takes up 40% of the game according to my PS4, and it has one single whistling track the whollle time. Original soundtrack was better, and fit the slums.
🌸❤️I am quite disappointed by what we got and my interest in the remake has dwindled. It does not matter what they do next, it is already ruined. I do not see how they turn it around.❤️🌸
They should left it alone or remastered the graphics
They ruined this game by not sticking to the damn plot.
_"BIGGS! WEDGE! JESSIE! MARLENE!"_
_"Barret, Marlene is safe!"_
_"Marlene's safe?? But still, Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie..."_
_"No Barret, they're all safe too."_
_"Oh. Well still, the people of the slums..."_
_"Yeah actually all of them escaped."_
_"Well awright then."_
I don't trust Nomura directing this game
There are people who saying *JUST* cause *FF7R* had as a final boss both arbiters of fate and sephiroth it was a *KH* game ? 🤨🤨🤨
Or Harry Potter ??? 🤨🤨🤨
Power rangers ? Maybe ? 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
And that it didn't made sense for something like that to be included in *FF7R*
............................................. Okay 😑
My honest opinion about this is :
Am sure *FF* games never had ghosts in it right ? 🤪
I mean *WHY* would they even have that ? 🤪
In a grounded and realistic world like *FF* right ? 🤪
Where its a literal *FANTASY / FAIRY TAIL* world with mystical magic dragons , magic and place you and me have never seen
Nooooo, of course not , why would it have ghosts ? 🤪
And what do I know ? Its not like i have played every *FF* game !
{ except 0 , 11 , 14 and tacticts } -.-
but am thinking i may give tactics a chance
NO ! Of course not ! what do i know right ? 🧐 🤷
Its not like ghosts were in *FF IV , FF VII , FF X , FFXII , FFXIII , FFXV*
No ! God no ! i mean it wouldn't even make sense , *RIGHT* ? 🧐🤪🤨🤷
Neither time lines were involved in *FF* games since *1987* !!!
*NOOOOO* ! *OF COURSE NOT* ! that just crazy ! *RIGHT* ? 🤪🤪🤪🤪
So from now on when ever i see any movie that has any kind of cars involved i will
*automatically call it FAST & FURIOUS* cause *EVERY* movie that has cars in it is a copy of *FAST & FURIOUS* ! 👍👍👍👍👍
And when ever i see a movie with time line involved i will call it
*BACK TO THE FUTURE* !
Cause every movie that has timeline involved is *BACK TO THE FUTURE* 😊 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Blaming everything on Nomura ain't gonna fix anything
Like it or not he makes millions where WE make nothing
If he was as bad you curse him. To be then he wouldn't be with Square Enix
But am sure you know that and that is why it bothers you soooo much
@@monkeydjimmy5169 by your logic every video game in human history and every successful writer ever is good and if you truly believe this your a mindless child who needs to grow up
@@loomi3737
By all means keep hating on the game cause you are butt hurt
Cool video dude, continue please 👌
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No we do not all agree the combat is better in the remake then the original.
I didnt need another particle filled half ass looking action rpg
I like turn based combat
Honestly, I don’t understand why this is considered a controversial opinion. This game was a betrayal of the original, pure and simple. FFVII’s significance was due in part to its commitment to its themes of death, loss, and impermanence. These themes are present throughout the game from beginning to end. They are a fundamental component of FFVII’s identity as a work of art. To say that the ending of remake spits on these themes would be a massive understatement. When you do a remake of a work of art, if you take the same characters, the same setting, the same music, and the same broad story beats, it is in service of nothing if not the themes of the original. Just look at the new remake of All Quiet On The Western Front. It shares very little with the text of the original novel in terms of what happens in the plot, but the characters and the themes are there. I can enjoy it as a remake of the original, because it is so evocative of those original themes, and makes me experience a similar emotional response. In that regard, Remake objectively fails. By removing this world of its permanence, you remove the most important pillar of FFVII. Which is why so many of the comments from the devs are so confusing. They seem to fully understand the assignment, and even said in certain interviews that the Whispers and Sephiroth are only present because they wanted a dramatic final boss fight, and the Motorball didn’t seem climactic enough. They seem to acknowledge that it was a contrived subplot. They acknowledge that the plot will play out much the same. And yet, I find myself unable to trust them purely based on how strongly Remake speaks to the contrary. I’m holding out hope that Rebirth and whatever the third game is called will tie it all together, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I wind up disappointed.
Zack being alive complety ruins cloud character
Or it could be memory
Lmao!! A fair and well made review that talks about what the game does well and what it doesn't and it gets dislikes because Final Fantasy fan boys are the biggest losers of all time. Good thing fans aren't this insufferable for the rest of the industry.
Sometimes the cold hard truth hurts people’s feelings it seems lol
@@thatguybis1997 People need to learn to except the truth and think past their own damn feelings. My friend beat the OG over 30 times and remixes FF7 songs, he fucking loves FF7 and he thinks the remake is flat out bad... it’s like who’s are these people that defend this game so hard? Paid square employees? Lmao
@@thatguybis1997 Story changes aside the games just really bad on its own too besides the combat.
FF7 has the most toxic fan base. Never trust fanboys who put FF7 on a pedestal as the best RPG of all time.
I cannot overstress just how much of FFVIIR was walking Cloud between cutscenes. I found myself _screaming_ at my TV "Shut up!! I just wanna play the fuckin' game!!!" I started skipping cinemas when the 3rd one started playing in 7th Heaven after spending what felt like forever slow-walking Aerith around the slums.
If you need to make your characters squeeze through an opening or duck under debris or tiptoe across a platform every 50 paces to give the game time to load, maybe back off the graphics a little? SO. MUCH. Of this "game" was slow-walking and waiting.
I feel like they deliberately empty your Limit gauges at the end of each battle just to make the Gotterdamerung seem cool. Had to break the game so the fix seemed worthwhile. Sorry but I'm not praising you for putting out a fire than you started.
Combat was fun when you weren't getting bound/stunned/stopped/sleeped/frogged/waiting for the boss to stop being invincible every GD fight. Also, it feels like there was no combat. Enemies don't really respawn and the game prevents you from grinding but also that dumbshit Nomura is making the three parts incompatible with each other so any grinding you did do, just throw it out the window.
"Hard" mode made it so you can't use items (at all) or restore your MP resting. Essentially, you can't use materia on Hard 'cause once you run out of MP you're done for the Chapter. It forced you to put Revive materia on everyone and save your MP exclusively to cast Life, and use Prayer (or Chakra, but, ugh...) to heal.
What can be said about the -Heartless- whispers that hasn't already been said? Horrible concept.
Ruined Sephiroth, ruined the "downtrodden" feel of the slums. Introduced incredibly annoying new characters.
I actually really like Barrett and Tifa in combat. Cloud could have been done better, and Aerith was... a cool concept that didn't feel flushed out. The party members not being actively controlled by the player were basically worthless. Summoning seemed like it could have been a cool change, except the game only let you summon the DLC summons 90% of the time.
At the end of the day, FFVIIR was a chore to play but after 138 hours we got it all done hoping part 2 would be less "walking in a straight line between cutscenes" but that dumbshit Nomura isn't making the parts of the game compatible with each other so there really is no hope and no point to get parts 2 nor 3.
Man, where do I begin.... To my OG's that gave this game a chance, I respect you and to my OG's that refuses to play it, I respect you more.
I played remake w/o knowing any of the changes that were made from its original. For me, I think it was a good thing, bc I would've never gave this game a chance if I had known. I actually enjoy what's been going on...so far....only bc I have hopes of everything being put back into its rightful place when the game is finished.
I never knew who Tetsuya Nomura was until I completed the game and I told a buddy of mine that the game reminded me of Kingdom Hearts and that's when he told me about the director of the game "Remake" and what's funny is I've played KHs starting with Roxas story and wanted to get deeper with the game so I decided to attempt playing all the KH games, but gave up when I got to the one when you attack using cards, which I thought was stupid so I gave up on it completely😂.
I'll never accept this game to be a sequel, they would've been fine with no controversy if they had just followed the original story line, but I can appreciate what they are doing as long as they don't ruin the integrity of the characters that were sacrificed to create such a masterpiece. Anyone that grew up playing the original knows this is more than just a game to us. I really don't see this more than just a fanfiction game. The story was already told and ended in the original.
I will play Rebirth and I will be spoiling the very last game they come out with before I even attempt that, which sucks, but I refuse to finish a game that completely ruins the story of its original by reviving important characters that played a significant role into making such a masterpiece.
testicle nomora always wanted to be a high fashion clothing designer and hes been using final fantasy to androgonize every male character for as long as hes worked there. i knew he was going to ruin it. i have come to distrust the japanese for what they did to Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy. i remember being embarrassed to admit liking final fantasy games for how gay the dudes were dressed in many of the games
Didn't Resident Evil and MGS get amazing Gamecube remakes?
I feel you man, that is the way I feel, the only good thing of this shit is that I love a lot more the original game
I laughed hard when the Benny Hill music came on.
The more time goes on, the more I think the remake's story changes are not just awful, they're incredibly weird as well. They're both simultaneously passive-aggressive towards the original fanbase and a lot of the things the original fanbase loved about the original game, at the same time as they're a runaway train of fanservice tropes. It's a weird mess of the dead hand of Nomura (Why they put him in charge of this after FFXV, only to sack him as director for the second part is beyond me) and a kind of commercialised lunge towards what they hoped would sell. (Sephiroth for days, nobody dies, bringing back Zack etc)
Anyway, given S-E made it abundantly clear what they thought of the OG fanbase in the first part of the remake, I wish them all the luck they deserve when it comes to selling future parts.
All this and more. It was not what was expected and promised before. Purist or not...
Since the merge, after FFX and the abandonment of the core idea to never make sequels, prequels and spin-offs (yes, that was a vital agreement, even if it meant bleeding money), Squaresoft and Enix (both legends in their respective days) have lost me and I never have spent a single cent on them since - just watched from afar.
Ever since FFX-2 and many, many weird titles more havw proven my decision right. Some things need to die, even legends - only then they can stay legendary, before destroying themselves and the legacy they built. As they did and continue to do. Allowing Nomura (a character designer and visual artisst, and even he had some lucky hits with parts of FF7c and KH1) to direct is all proof one needs to see that.
Endless growth is ultimately destructive and this cinematic, graphic-centered hot mess was the last nail in the coffin for S-E to prove that, and they earned it. They have long lost the need for story and art interested suporters, as they have fans now (fan = short for: fanatic), that are interested in spectacle, drool-inducing visuals and nothing more. S-E: "Fuck core principles of game design and make the ching ching with fanservice!"
I too wish them luck, as it is just a business - nothing more. As with most games. That's just the reality.
My god that ending part is sooooo badddd ...they could change evrything but not with whispers and portals and multiple realities... this game is going to be an Avengers end game what i mean is they will lose in the world of remake and they will go get Aerith and Zack from that other reality to help them win super simple very 21 century. Lazy writing that is all.
The gameplay is boring. You basically go from point A to point B and that's the whole game. I have never played the original, so I have to nostalgic love of this game
This is the best remake that should not exist :S. Whisperers are the worst thing I have seen in a story ever. Introduced into a story/lore as a retcon. They have several functions: add a difference, be meta-commentary on both fans and creation, add possibilities, serve as a pseudo-final boss/antagonist, and above all they are used as cheap subversion (except the ending you have preventing Reno from dying and resurrecting Barret among a few). The worst aspect is that they are made to be really in our faces. They are supposed to be something used to prevent time deviations but as far as we know this is the only time they intervene and they only build up their failure.
People say that Sephiroth is manipulating the party to defeat the whisperers but they are described as "the will of the planet". These people straight out expect the games to lie to us now. Tell us retcons or "solve" mysteries/definitions in the next installments. How can people enjoy this? It would not be good if Sephiroth used the whisperers for all the stupid things. The party knows that the whisperers know the future and represent the planets will but assume that there is a bleak future (and they do not mean bleak as in bleak for only humanity). The whole thing is stupid. Let's just hope it was all a bad dream or that the whisperers defeat defeated them even in the remake so that they are erased out of existence. That would be horrible storytelling but at least we can get back to FF VII -_-.
Also, I just rewatched your video, great stuff.
@vincentgraymore Thanks for the subscription man! Hope to see more of your comments in the future :)
Combat is shit too, you probably just never played Tales of or Star Ocean or action JRPGs like Nier Automata or Scarlet Nexus.
Its been this way with every product created after the Enix merger. The more control Enix (the dominate party in that merger) took over the company the steeper the visual aspects of the games got, while the depth of everything else plummeted. As someone whose an OG Square fan that still plays the older games to this day, if I could describe Enix in an analogy, it would be that Enix is akin to a very shiny puddle. In the art department, their products are always superb, but depth wise, almost everything they create is as shallow as a puddle. And 90% of the time, if it manages not to be shallow, its only because they copied mechanics from a now dead companies ancient intellectual property. And hell, they couldn't even get that right with FF7 remake. FFX was one of the last games that had any resemblance to a Square product, and even then you could practically smell the Enix influence in it looking back now. X-2 chronologically was the last game I played fully through, and that was only due to my attachment to the characters from X. Everything after that is a let down after a let down, if not narratively (usually the case), then mechanically (so don't start with that FFXII shit).
I always found it ironic that because Sakaguchi made one bad business decision involving a certain infamous movie and they got rid of them (despite him and others being the only reason Square made it past FF1 and single-handedly built the multi million dollar franchise enix survives on remakes of today). Yet Enix spent the next 10 years losing money for the square brand after ousting him and never accosted itself for being such a fuckup afterwards before finally finding its disgraceful niche as a publisher first and foremost of other peoples games, and spending 2 decades remaking/porting someone elses games from 20-30 years ago (that they got fired nonetheless) to stay afloat. Unfortunately Square's history, like so many other game development studios from the past is no longer a unique story, as this has happened to most of the previously independent developers from yesteryear that saw their demise in the publisher boom of the 2000's
Back when it was Squaresoft ❤
I strongly expected that the story would be kept intact, only with higher graphics. And i was thrown down, yes part 1 is enough, no other parts would be welcome
FFVII-Reboot. Btw, I do like Zack even more than Cloud, but his death has a deep role on Cloud's character development. By undoing it, I'm afraid the impact of Cloud persona wouldn't be as strong as in the original game.
“The combat outdoes the original in every way”
No it does not.
It’s the exact same auto-pilot bullshit that had plagued the series since Kingdom Hearts. Completely uninteresting button-mashing that tries to turn a JRPG into an action RPG.
Idk I thought it was cool
So basically the story isn't the original and is about time travel?
Final Fantasy 7-2.8 or whatever.
Just replayed the remake in a sort of hopes that I could convince myself that the remake was good.
NOPE!
Still angry at how Nomura ruined what should have and could have been the perfect game. I had some small glimmer of hope that perhaps they might retcon and patch out the whole whisper shit. But then I played the DLC and it seems to confirm that they intend to shit all over FF7.
All they had to do, was update the graphics [Check]. Improve the combat system. [Check]. Music was already excellent [Check]. Add to the story and develop characters. [Check]. Keep the core storyline intact. [NOPE].
If you stopped giving them money they won’t ruin it. It’s time to leave FF7 and move on to something else. I’m sick and tired of the FF7 pandering.
First game I ever bought with money I earned was ff7 as a boy. The remake made me so mad that I will not buy the remaining episodes of this game.
I did not buy FF7 remake I refuse to invest my hard earned money on this episodic crap, it’s like portions of the meal or kibbles f^ck that sh!t.
I agree with you. Time traveling part of FF7 world is weird. But go read Nojimas novella. Black and white livestream chapters. Time traveling is hinted. Advent children sepheroith also summons the ghosts. That said I don't really want a sequel but a remake. 95% of the remake game is a remake which is why I loved it so much. The 👻 sucks
Where does advent children Sephiroth summon ghosts? I recently watched the movie and don’t recall seeing any.
@@thatguybis1997 it's when he faces off cloud at the end and he raises his hand in the sky, lowers it and the ghosts comes down
@@TheHatorihanzoe whatever that miasma is, it's not Ghosts. Nomura couldn't be bothered to write the game properly, don't try to do it for him 😅
@@TheHatorihanzoe It is called Negative Lifestream and for someone hinting the novels, you should know that it is not at all the whisperers. Even if it was it would make AC a sequel to the remake and not the OG (without going into the fact that there are no rules established for how time and space now works in the FF VII universe). Also, yes the "timetravel" can be "found" if you are looking for it and if you draw hasty conclusions. The obscure novels are a "great" source for it. 2 years ago no one would have thought of an FFVII multiverse but now it makes me sick even thinking that it could be a thing.
I can understand wanting "whatifs" or new content but I cannot understand people wanting time travel and dimensions in a series that has more or less actively avoided them for so many titles. It is like people do not care about a world and its setting and it becomes like WoW where every trope possible exists in the end. SE chooses to add them in a "remake" of all places. The problem is that as someone that liked everything FF VII (and "casual" not earth/fate/time shattering) in this game the whisperers foundations and rules retcons FF VIIs lore into oblivion but people do not care about the world at all (just the characters and locations).
Trading a few years of curiosity for a classic story that will now forever be compared and undermined because of the fidelity of the "new story" seems to be of the highest order of disrespect to me. And when these people's curiosity is shattered by Aerith still dying and Zack never joining the party as well as no additional Sephiroth I will not share a tear. When all fan theories are wrong I will not offer any mercy. I am not confident in them actually going the same route as the OG but if they do not then the OG will really just be the bad timeline. Literally, something to that is less "worth" and many people will not get into because of outdated mechanics and 90s game fidelity. In my eyes a remake is not supposed to overshadow and forget the OG, it is supposed to enhance and bring forth the OGs qualities without changing the core and story (but yes I am very well aware that people cannot even agree on this but where was the core of Fate, ghosts connected to all time and space as well as a Sephiroth time traveler in the OG+?). A sequel is supposed to build upon the franchise to further the quality of that series, big retcons are the worse thing they can do. DoC suffered heavy backlash for it and it was tame in comparison to the remake (it is also funny how DoC is now praised as it can elevate the remake, not the world of FF VII OG+). OGs fall from grace will only get worse for each installment in the remake as more and more people will stick to the remakes modern aspects. Each installment will perhaps increase the sales and playthrough of the OG but it will not be because people are interested in FF VII but because they are interested in FF VII remake. Instead of looking for similarities, people will now obsess at looking at differences or rather how to implement them.
People talk about the themes being destroyed but they are not even present and going forward it will be very hard to get back to anything even resembling it as the OG and remake stand in stark contrast in regard to theme and execution. The game does not have "added details" because these additions are insanely important as a concept of the world. It is like we would have another form of gravity added to our world but and if our world was like this remake we would be able to defeat that "new" gravity. It is not silly, it is beyond silly. As much as I liked all the characters, presentation, and style I just get angry when I think that we are not playing Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Aerith and Nanaki vs Sephiroth. We are playing Cloud 2, Tifa 2, Barret 2, Aerith NG+/0 and Nanaki 2 ½ vs Sephiroth NG++. Zack 3.0 gets to live as well as Biggs 2.
To each other own mate
It's understandable if you don't like it or if somehow it makes it unrealistic
12 hours in and I just can't turn this on again, I hate the remake :(
The installments in the FF7 Compilation were already full of annoying convoluted narrative decisions and retcons, so at this point Remake going off script shouldn't have surprised me, but it still did. The "whispers of fate" or whatever being some weird metacommentary on the very nature of remakes is just the writers using them as an in-universe excuse to free themselves up to make even more drastic changes in the future installments and it's concerning, because the original game on its own had such a great story, and tampering with it is completely unnecessary.
It's just a bizarre decision on both a business and creative level, and it's hard to even properly judge what they're doing until we see where Remake goes from here, but I'm getting real tired of retcon city.
Never played the original and I agree with you. Great battle system cause I do enjoy action n turn based but the story is just confusing to me. Not just the ending but the little plot elements or dialogues that they throw with no context for new players :D
Yeah, this was honestly a sequel, not a remake. But it's not even a sequel until the end, which just exacerbates how this game doesn't know what it wants to be.
@@thatguybis1997
Square Enix are very closed and do not let any information to leak out on purpose
I believe they know very well where they want this to head for but they try to keep low profile
It's like with MGS games where Kojima disguised a movie as a game
And it's the best story telling game ever
THE MOST REALISTIC GAME GROUNDED STORY MADE by our God Kojima 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌 Amen
The messages and meanings this game passes you and teaches you is CRAZY 🤤🤤🤤😍😍😍
ANYWAYS : BACK TO FF7R
They probably already know where they wanna head with this, they just keep a low profile
They DID say that THIS would be the fifth title in the compilation and final installment to th FF7 compilation after all
@@thatguybis1997
Also MG and MGS games are hands down THE best games ever
For me 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't know about others
But MG and MGS games have tesched me so many things that as a kid I wasn't able to understand until I grew up and i was shocked with what the game tesched you
Am telling you its crazy
No other game puts you into questioning your *OWN MORALS* or put you into the shoes of your enemy and makes you understand them and even sympathize
Not many games can do that
I often found my self when I was playing MGS games questioning my self, are my actions good? Or bad?
@@thatguybis1997
But then I remembered Gray Fox and what he said to Snake :
*We are not tools of the government, fighting was the ONLY thing I was ever good at, but at least I ALWAYS fought for what I believed in*
That sh*t kept me going through the game
I continued even if I was right or wrong
That is why I do not take FF games as ✌️realistic✌️ and
✌️Grounded✌️ worlds
Cause they are a FANTASY / FAIRY TAIL WORLD
of magic, mystical magic dragons and places we have never seen before
@@monkeydjimmy5169 _"That is why I do not take FF games as ✌️realistic✌️ and
✌️Grounded✌️ worlds
Cause they are a FANTASY / FAIRY TAIL WORLD"_
Lucky for you... the Raven on my head tells me the future. What's more I can read into your mind, and I also use blood transfusions to help me get into character when I'm acting.
In other words, being grounded isn't about being set in Alaska vs Midgar. It's about respecting the boundaries and conditions of the world being explored. This is why The Twin Snakes was so much less grounded than MGS: Twin Snakes had Snake jumping off of missiles mid-air and dodging bullets, whereas MGS only had the Ninja doing those sorts of things.
Likewise, FF7 has characters with swords that can fight armies, but they still get hurt or die if they fall from too high, they still have power scaling that they can't readily overcome, and they still keep the story narrative focused on the game's primary themes. In FF7R, depending on the needs of the plot, falling may or may not be dangerous, Sephiroth may or may not be too powerful to overcome, and themes of fighting destiny and fate overshadow themes of loss and permanence.
Agree on the ending and the graphics, but disagree on the rest. Battle system and music were not on improvement. Played and finished the remake during last Christmas holiday. Took me about 26 hours and I felt mostly blank while playing it, because of all the useless added filler. Battle system was a joke and required no strategy at all. Just mash until stagger and then unleash your built up limits or strongest attacks. Socbasically it was like this. Battle mash, walk through mediocre linear tunnels and passages, battle mash, get some cutscenes which were mostly crap for everything that was additionally added, do some more linear walking, do some mindless bashing... continue until the end were you get raped by the story were it all goes completely of the rails and you feel very dissatisfied. I immediately started playing the original again afterwards... my God, that game is so much better. Everything is better, except the graphics, but even those don’t look so bad after 23 years. I am currently close to finishing the original, which took slightly more than 30 hours. Compared to the remake, the original’s 30 hours is an emotional rollercoaster with high’s and lows, real character development, great story, better music, better pacing and no filler. It’s all just perfect, combined with fantastic battles that require strategy, planning and thinking ahead. I give the original a 10/10 and the remake a 6/10. Graphics alone don’t make a good game Square.
Especially "thenofiller" part is important. In OG there was no sidequest which was worthless. Every sidequedt did give something valuable or unique.
Pseudoremake is 30% filler/worthless quests for worthless items.
all they had to do was "same story, better graphics", but instead they made "the story 2: Rebuild of FF7. Change Destiny", an alternate timeline soft reboot sequel. it's false advertising, bait and switch, and an insult to the fans.
now because of this we'll never get a true remake that's just "ff7 with better graphics".
SQUARE ENIX PLEASE STOP MAKE THIS TYPE OF GAME !!! PLEASE LISTEN TO US !!!
Does Testuya Nomura ask for such a high salary that he has to be gameplay director and story director for any SE games to come?
If he was that bad and didn't made millions they wouldn't hire him
Simple as that
This is a bussines not a family business
If you don't make money you don't worth anything to be hired
Linear play through is always so disappointing when there is such an open world feel.
The many side missions and surprise characters is one of the reasons Zelda is my favorite franchise.
Ahh breath of the wild. That was such a breath of fresh air. See what I did there
But the midgar portion of the OG is linear as well...
Did u expected midgar to be open world, this time around?
I really don't get people who says that (FFVII: Nomura's joke) battle system is good. In my opinion this battle system fails in every way possible. It is terrible as a turn based game (because it isn't onw, instead it let you slow down the action to cast spells that feel insignificant anyway), it is terrible as an action game (because again, it isn't one, It is a button masher that never feel satisfying or have any weight on it.)
To me this game can't scratch the itch of playing a turn based JRPG, and also doesn't work as a action game (Damn DMC 5 is so much cheaper and so much better). Why the foock I would like this battle system?
You know, if these clowns had just told us from the get go that this was going to be "A bold and inventive take on FF7! A reinterpretation of the classic story you know and love for a new generation! The Kingdom Hearts generation!" Then that would have been one thing. I would have vehemently disagreed with that as a decision but at least I could have known what their intent was and, you know, not bought the fucking game. Ruining FF7 is bad enough, but giving everyone the bait and switch to trick long time fans into buying their "remake" is goddamn unconscionable.
I'll be honest.
I don't know if there was any way they could have re-made this game that I would have been happy with.
But the way they chose to go doesn't simply fall-short of my nostalgia-filled expectations. It makes me wish I never wanted a remake to begin with.
This game hurt my soul, we wanted a Remake not a Re-Imagining.. The original story was perfect, it didn't need anything changed or added and if that's what Square wanted they should have titled it accordingly, as well I've heard that Rebirth is being made so that anyone can pick it up and play it even if they didn't play FF7R, which tells me that there is no continuation or character progression from the first game and if there is any it will be very minor, WTF IS THE POINT!?! We wanted a FULL Remake, not 7 games that aren't connected that you have to restart on each game, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE People speak with your money and don't buy this stupid cash grab, then maybe they'll do a real Reboot of the game, not 7 separate disks that don't connect
I am deeply and chronically bothered by what they did to the childhood game that significantly shaped me.
You discover one piece of bliss in this world, and someone always has to take it and ruin it.
What's worse is that no one seems to agree with me. Everybody is totally happy with this abomination.
I respect your opinions and views as a consumer. But to say that this new game is never wanted maybe is going over the line. It's as simple as chamillionaire said. If you dont like on the radio or the television then just switch the station. Don't assume that everyone didnt want it. I am also pissed off at these sorry attempts of changes. But I also think getting something new from the old game is also good. If I want to play the old one. Then I will play the old one. I agree that they shouldn't have named this remake because it obviously isn't a remake. But is it really a bad thing? Is this whole thing really bad for everyone? It's not like they force-stopped us from playing the old one and forced to consume this new one. It's still your choice.
It's not controversial to say this story sucks, it just does. This is a dumb sequel that's going out of its way to destroy the original story, so they can remove all tragedy, emotion and blood. This story is going to have everyone holding hands and singing under a rainbow at the end.
More Zack is bad. He's not an actual character, he's a part of Cloud's backstory. That's all he was meant to be, doing more with him in this story is just going to feel weird and out of place. If he's running about then it's like there are two Clouds existing at the same time.
The battle system is so damn good - but I'm never able to enjoy it, because every second cutscene drags me out of the experience by being a perversion of the original game.
How can any fan of the original like this attempt and how many are still hyped for part two after playing this. terrible writing and decisions have ruined this remake. part two can stay unfinished.
No I'm done with the heartless Kingdom Hearts b******* I'm sticking to the OG Final Fantasy 7 graphics mods on the PC for the best FF7 experience.
This whole game feels like one big dumb excuse to not kill aeris. And zack being alive totally ruins clouds character arc. Big ol fuckin waste of a "remake"
Nothing about the remake was "spectacular" stop trying to appease the radical SE fanboys that know nothing about RPGs
They got the absolute worst people possible to write Remake. Both Nomura and Toriyama love their destiny & time-travel bullshit - the more nonsensical, the better.
Just finished re-imagining (ill never call this a remake)
The first glimps of sepharoth was actually really good, i thought it was a cool idea to see what's in clouds head and a nice expansion to create more character depth and a whisper (shouldve been the only whisper in existance in this game) of what's to come. THAT SHOULDVE BEEN AS FAR AS IT WENT, Just spilling the fucking beans and getting rid of all build up and tension.... i'm suprised namura didn't tweet out "im sorry this never happened before youre just so pretty"
pair this with the most flaccid reactions to absolute tragedy and what should be mind-blowing moments for the characters and you have a 2/10 for everything that really matters in a game.
I got to the cat quest and deleted the game
I loved that part! "Oh my boy zack! Oh no!"
to much sepiroth, story is to fucked from the original and why the fuck am i fighting 800ft demons at the end.... games shot
You actually have such a great perspective and I respect you for a video as well put as this! There are many points that I agree with you on, especially the change in story which for me is a No-Go since the original was better for me as it is. Having finished the OG, it is a masterpiece which shouldn't be messed with as the story is already perfect as it is. If they were to contradict this, then the AC wouldn't make any sense, when it is to be considered as the one that will close FF7's story in its entirety.
But meh, let's just see how things would play out soon enough lol. If they were to change most major plot points in the story, then it would make more fans to stray away from FF7R.
And I subscribed, nice content bud! Keep up the good work! 😊
Thank you! Check out the update video (most recent upload) I made on this as well. Would love to hear your thoughts on that as well from someone who’s a fan of the original.
I just wanted a 1:1 remake of the original . But square just had to be extra
Idk why they couldnt just remake the game no one asked for this extra bs 🤣
Hahaha~ so true putting Kingdom hearts in Final Fantasy 7, hated it.
haha that Benny Hill music for Sepiroth. I hated that game with a passion, I stopped playing it when I realized it was ruining my memories of the original 7.
Blaming everything on Nomura ain't gonna fix anything
but it is nomura's fault.isn't it?
@@amimim69
Nope
It is his fault
@@PS5Chan360
What ever makes you sleep at night mate
There is no fixing it. The game sold millions and they made their money so they'll milk it as much as possible and Rebirth is going to be more of the same.