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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Steve discovers yet another rare GMC Toro-Flow diesel powered dump truck. In a partial state of disassembly, this one’s a junkyard cutaway classroom! To see Steve’s first GMC Toro-Flow diesel video, CLICK THIS LINK - • Screaming Jimmy’s Quie...
Back in the early 1970's I got to know a GM factory parts runner out of Detroit. His truck was a gas powered 427 Astro semi. He was given his choice of equipment on the truck so he went with the 427 Chevy because it was faster then a diesel and the factory was paying for the fuel not him. I remember the truck was a gold color and had twin chrome stacks and really sounded good when he was going thru the gears on the Allison transmission.
What a unique junkyard! I had never heard of such an engine.
Neither have I . 👍
Here is a second on not knowing anything about it,,gotta research that one
Never knew about the difference in hoods and other things between Chevrolet and GMC trucks.
Thanks Steve 👍
You can tell that someone loved that truck at one time. Had the redneck custom Stereo/cassette player installed. I can envision a colorful seat cover, steering wheel cover, windshield dice and a dream catcher hanging over the back window. 😊
I agree, the owner was reaching for something like, O what was it, yes, a Chevy van. 😀
Wonder what happened to get in the way 😐
@@samholdsworth420 That's why we say "if only they could talk they'd certainly have an interesting story to tell." 😉
@@lilmike2710 yeah. Love this channel for that reason 😎
Excellent piece of GMC history - great job.
Someone loved that rig at one time.
Cheers 🇨🇦
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Chevrolet also adopted the 401 and 478 GMC gasoline V6s in 1966 for their Series 70 and 80 heavy duty trucks. The series 40, 50 and 60 medium duty trucks used the 292 I6, 327 and 366 V8s.
The map light reminds of the one in Roy's service truck in Close Encounters of the Third Kind :)
Looking at the engine drawings in that first brochure can really make one long for simpler times when an “engine” was a huge chunk of cast iron with a starter bolted to one side, an alternator or generator bolted to a simple metal bracket, and a fan mounted up front just to keep things cool……..😂
Hard to imagine what a hardscrabble life that old truck led - I’m going to go out on a limb and say it never received a single coat of wax during it’s entire life……😮
Always thought it was something of a feat that GMC maintained it’s independence over all those years leading right up to today where it has it’s own unique niche in the truck market……👍
First I have heard of this engine, Steve!
Good Morning Gents ! 🇺🇸
My dad had a GMC with a gas 305 V6 what a great engine!
Get well soon Steve.
Another good video Steve get well soon we miss you out here
This style of lock ring wheel is actually pretty safe if it's not all rusty or bent parts. Heavy equipment still uses this style. Common sense is required though in making damn sure the ring(s) are fully seated.
The scary wheels are the widow makers. These were mostly on the '50's-60's C-50-60 style GM/Ford medium size harvest trucks. They are a two piece wheel that splits in the drop center area of the wheel. I worked at a tire shop in the '80's when there were still some of these around. People who owned these trucks were kind of screwed, because most shops would not touch widowmakers, and the aftermarket was not supportive of making more modern/adaptable wheels to upgrade these trucks.
I changed tires on a lot of these and because widowmakers were illegal to service at this point, it went like this: My boss would tell the customer that we could not put tires on his wheels, but go ahead and park the truck over there. Then in a slow part of the day my boss would come to me and tell me that the truck over there needs the tires changed, but because they are widowmakers, I don't have to work on it, but the truck is there and the tires are here, ...and if I don't have anything to do I need to be sweeping floors-lol. I did have training to change these, and with taking care to perfectly center the two halves, I never had a problem, but they were still sketchy to work with.
GREAT comment. The "widow maker" name was a fair chunk of propaganda. YES, care must be taken and the parts MUST be un-damaged and NOT mixed between sizes. As you say, WITH PROPER CARE during service those rims were no hazard. But it was "the human factor" the wheel's designers skated too close to when they designed them. Not putting down anyone who got hurt / killed by these wheels, just saying there are often many truths to any story and truck designers and engineers are NOT fools. Thanks for watching and writing AND fixing those old wheels with wits and common sense. -Steve Magnante
Yup, the Toro-Flow was kept in the Chevrolet line up until 1974 (although a rarely ordered option). Yes, back then, GM was like its own world compared to Chevrolet. By about 1973, things were harmonized and more parts sharing and option sharing occurred. Even the VIN numbers got closer in style. GM trucks of this vintage have weird VIN numbers. Cadillac also did that and went "rogue" with their VIN numbers not following the rest of the GM style in the 1960s.
It would have been good to have seen the VIN of that cab, even though it was not original to this vehicle. That looks like a Roxter map light used on many municipal trucks. Now they are all mostly LED. Fleet Owner is still around and I get it delivered to the office along with other trade magazines.
Yes, as you mentioned, you could become an "astronaut" with those split style rims. Even with the single piece style, a tire/rim cage is a must when airing up tires like that. Possible code 518 Light Yellow exterior paint on that cab (originally).
Morning, Mr. Google. Last week, Steve's car caught my eye during the outro, having Esserman Dodge, Chicago Heights, Illinois. You have any info of the fate of that dealership? I found an obit for Esserman, his Dodge dealership in Chicago Heights failed in the late '60's, he then went on to be a successful dealer in Florida of other makes. Don't know why the Dodge dealership failed, was it because Chrysler was in a mess in the late '60's, or was it the part of the beginning of the end in Chicago Heights? Also, I read about a Nichels Engineering in Griffith, Indiana. Apparently, Nichels had great success building race engines first for Pontiac, then for Chrysler.
Good catch on the Roster map light, California Highway Patrol and other LE agencies used those for many years in their patriot cars too.
@@roaddawg831 We used them for a number of years, but they kept falling apart and weren't that bright. We switched to an LED light a few years back and they're brighter and more durable.
@@tomwesley7884 One of their new vehicle locations was 6130 Cottage Grove and that appears to be apartment buildings now. The other was 5340 Lake Park which might be part of an Office Depot location now. Tough to say why they failed. Sometimes it's the area, other times it's the time frame. Dealers that only concentrated on performance cars often didn't last, especially when the end was near for muscle cars. You also need the "regular" and fleet vehicle sales to keep you going. Good dealers have enough of everything to keep them going.
Chevrolet also adopted the 401 and 478 GMC gasoline V6s in 1966 for their Series 70 and 80 heavy duty trucks.
Hey Steve , it’s that time of year to be aware of HORNETS ! ,growing up in and around the junk yard I have some inside knowledge, another great episode as always , be safe !
😂 WE WILL WAGE WOODCUTTER WASP WARS
Steve is immune to Hornets. 👍
Those AMC Hornets were the worst
That's just like Mr Goodpliers in all those farm auctions, and all the critters there in Nebraska
bzzz bzzzzzzzzz
Awesome, you are the first to inform me about that diesel motor , now I have to look up the different specs on them
Here praying for you, Steve
That GM Diesel brochure is the most beautiful brochure I have ever seen. What an amazing time.
These are super cool. I’d never heard of these until your last video on them.
5am in Chicago Stever....thanks love the old trucks.
Chevrolet grille
As a truck driver by trade we always called those wheels Dayton Wheels. I naver thought to look for the Kelsey Hayes stampings.
I agree that those wheels are perhaps NOT made by Kelsey-Hayes, I sort of wiggled out of the point by saying "Kelsey-Hayes - style wheels" because frankly, I'm not too hip on the many wheel makers for larger vehicles. I have an image of "Kelsey-Hayes Gunite wheels" etched into my head from the side of an AMT Ford C600 model kit box from my childhood that I sometimes default to when I see 5-spoke truck wheels. But you are correct, the actual maker of those wheels may be Rockwell or Dayton or maybe GMC. Didja ever notice the flat-center-cap type front wheels seen on these GMC and Chevy trucks never appeared on Ford, White, REO, Dodge, etc. trucks? Probably GM made their own wheels / hubs at this time. I'll need to do some research on this matter! Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Do a bit of research and then do a truck wheel video?
i always love hearing steve and his knoledge about chevz
Hub set was Dayton style
Not a split rim, that's a 3 piece lock ring wheel. Perfectly legal for road use.
Cool to know
Exactly it's the two piece rim that earned the widow maker nickname.
The cages used to air up "these rims" are named by the manufacturers as a split rim cage. I've had three pick ups in the day with split rims and I know Ford always called them split rims in there service manuals etc.
Cheers 🇨🇦
miss junkyard gold
I have about 12 or 15 Junkyard Gold episodes recorded. Just watched the AMC/Jeep one the other night.
@@michaelnazaruk4100 Those Roadkill's Junkyard Gold episodes were such fun to make. The AMC / Jeep episodes were all shot at Rambler Ranch in Elizabeth, Colorado a few years ago. I remember it well, we had an excellent time as ELK wandered around in the distance on the natural game reservation that shared the same land as Rambler Ranch! One morning, the drone camera operator - the Amazing Wiley Stevens - managed to fly his camera over the heads of the puzzled elk - who didn't budge, having never seen a drone before. I think that footage made it to an episode. The Junkyard Gold series was WIDELY praised and got regular 4.5-out-of-5 and even 5-out-of-5 star viewer reviews. I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT when Trend Motor Backwards cancelled it (Cancelled? Whaddayamean we're cancelled?") and replace it with less inspiring shows that were more soap opera than automotive TV. Worst of all, I WAS THE LAST ONE TO KNOW the series was cancelled. I waited NINE MONTHS for news before I CALLED THEM only to be told: "nobody called you? The show is cancelled". Me pissed? Anyhoo, Thanks for watching and writing right here on RUclips, the solution to dumb cable TV shows. -Steve Magnante
You're amazing Steve details details
That’s one cool looking truck! Is great to learn the history about them ! And Steve in one great teacher!👌😎👍
I love old Trucks . Thanks Steve !
Cool! I bet that hood badge is a pretty rare piece.
Gmc also built a 637 V8 version of the Toro Flow too. Only ever saw one of these in a truck wrecking yard several years ago.
Good stuff as always.
Greetings from Fall River Mass.
Good morning to you 8 pm Sunday in Australia
Mr. B. Here ! Good evening ! Sunday 6:30 am 🇺🇸
@@debbiebermudez5890 Morning
A man ahead of his time.
@@danw6014 LOL !
5:43 a.m. central daylight savings time here in southern Illinois. Good day!
Still can’t believe 😳 GMC partnered with an outdoor power equipment company to create a Diesel engine ! Just blows my mind 🤷♂️🙄😂 ✌️🤙
Funny guy😂..yeah, you expect to pop the hood and see the biggest Tecumseh, Wisconsin, Clinton,, or Briggs & Stratton engine you ever saw, right. ? ..I have a great GMC specific book, the term come from "toroidal" flow as air/ fuel swirls in the combustion chamber, hence the design of the emblem on the fender
Had a great uncle that had a big early 70s Chevy wrecker and a mechanic but was standing over a split rim wheel and exploded chest and head. He lived, but spent a good while in hospital and actually his wife had him back home with help of a hospital bed in his bedroom and i was only around 10yrs old. He was in his bed but had the round steel rod "Halo" over his head. Never will forget it. I cant imagine those screws holding it in place. He got better and could get around but never the same.
You never fix any split rim unless you wrap chains around it or place it in a cage. And then you use a long hose with a locking chuck to inflate the tire. There is no reason for anyone to be injured by a truck tire and wheel. Proper Know How and Respect is all thats needed.
Gotta love the use of an old tire/wheel for a dump bed support. Whatever works in a salvage yard.....
I did a engine replacement on a 478 gas. What a beast. They were great
Steve, that is not the Firestone Rh-5 "widowmaker" rim. Still, it can be dangerous, being it is a muti piece locking ring rim. The 5 spoke style wheel hub is a Dayton design. "Dayton Wheels." The Tire Industry Association is a great source for commercial tire repair and offers safety training and certification. It's best to always deflate a multi-piece before removing from the vehicle.
Thanks Steve I never knew that much about the Toro Flow Diesel.
Most interesting, hi from San Diego, California.
Great job as always, Steve
Another great class from MR. Magnante !
Good morning Steve & Shawn Its 04:00 @ release time Here in Edmonton Alberta 🇨🇦 I was looking at a 1966 GMC at Walmart parking lot Butter yellow with white roof/Box trim Yes (V6) on hood sides..High end Costom Larger rear window Auto Transmission & AM radio extra cost rear bumper a True Classic GMC pickup Thankyou both Happy 4th 🎉
It's the little things between a Chevrolet and a GMC. I never paid enough attention about these older trucks only assumed it was just the badges that was a difference. But I like this old dump . And if I had the money I would get that one out of there and do a complete rebuild and put it back out on the road to work. I've never heard of that Toro diesel either. Never heard of anyone even mentioning it. Thanks again take care.
Learn something new everyday
I cant imagine driving around in the summer, delivering dirt in that thing!
… real men back then
Good morning from Allentown PA
This junkyard needs to start charging admission and advertising tours.
Ohh, love to have those hood badges.
I would love to hear your input if you ever find one of those GMC 12 cylinder engines some day.
I've never seen one "in the wild" but do recall seeing one in the Blast-O-Lene Special custom car that Jay Leno bought at Barrett-Jackson years back. I'll bet the V12 variant of the GMC gas V6 was a rarity when it was new, meant only for those truckers with a need for more power but a thirst for gasoline NOT diesel. But you can BET I'll shoot a BUNCH of Junkyard Crawl videos about a V12 if I ever stumble onto one! Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
Morning Steve.....gotta love those Toro flows.
Fascinating, Steve, the design touch of Tom Daniel on that hood, that's news I can use to quote the old Top-40 stations, News You Can Use, funny yet with the FCC requiring that newscasts stop the music back in the day, a creative way to make it sound a bit appealing. And at his namesake website, it is truly an honor and a pleasure to be able to purchase signed and dates copies of his box art and I can't say which is my favorite, tho' I have Badman and Pie Wagon and Tijuana Taxi and more in my collection, thankful for that and so cool to be able to thank Tom for all of his work and influence. And I still happily recall assembling the Pie Wagon at age 10 in '69 and I'd admire it from all angles. And then look at it again from all angles. 😀
Thank you sir!
Nice touch with the gm and chev hoods side by side
Pretty sure thats a lock ring wheel .. not a split rim ... my old boss had one of those GMC with a gas V6 .... slow, but had some torque ... thanks for covering the trucks.
Another great vid!!! 👍👍
Steve Carlise is this weekend. I’ll be looking for you 😎
That was a great explanation of this truck, I haven’t ever seen this V6 diesel. You give us a tremendous amount of information in a short period of time, but had one little slip of the lip in this video, as you once referred to this truck as a 5,000 ton truck, I am sure that you ment 5 ton, lol. I must be difficult to deliver so much statistical information so rapidly and I am not criticizing, just made me smile.
Hello bruceprentice6441, THANKS for watching and writing. Yup, I did say the truck had a "50,000" ton capacity. Would make a great tug boat! Thanks again for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante I knew it was a slip of the lip. You produce a great video, and I am an addicted follower every morning while having coffee before heading to my barn chores. Keep up the crawl , lol
Thank you Steve! Great stuff! I'm glad you're making these videos so that all this information will live on long after men our age are gone.
I think it's amazing your amount of knowledge coupled with your outstanding library of authentic material. Keep up the good work my friend!
Very cool information.
Thank you Steve it's a good reminder that American trucks built this country
Love the map light!
Thank you Steve. Another good video
Thank you Steve
That thing looks like a beast that would be cool to bring back to lofe,thumbs up on a Sunday morning
What a fantastic show
Look forward to it everyday
Wow Steve, your Channel is really picking up the views my friend. ☮️👍♥️
These diesels are really cool! Thanks for telling us more about them. If GM had these on the shelf and ready to go, why didn’t they put them in 1975 Oldsmobiles after the fuel crisis? Are they too loud and rough? Or was it just cost and production capacity? Rural customers have always liked diesels as they often cheat and use agricultural diesels in the trucks they take to town, so there was always a market for a diesel car.
More likely, it couldn't meet emissions standards for passenger car usage. Larger trucks, one ton and larger, got a pass on some of the more stringent emissions requirements, and I'm quite sure that older design diesel would not meet passenger car requirements and it was probably not cost effective to get that engine to comply..
One thing to keep in mind about GMC's "V6 era" is that it came long before the 1973 OPEC oil crisis and federal mandates that led to downsizing and the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) mess. These GMC V6 engines - gas and diesel - were HUGE, heavy machines meant to last a quarter million miles. Weight and size were secondary considerations. So stuffing a Toro-Flow diesel in a passenger car would likely squash the suspension flat and defeat the purpose of low mass / high efficiency with its 800-pound weight. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
I bet they weighed a ton, all that cast iron would flatten conventional car springs…😳
How do you find these ,
Unusual mechanical creatures ??
What an incredible find 🙏
Outstanding video today, Steve! You were kinda extra pumped in this one. Great choice to bring us! So unique, honestly never of that engine from Chevrolet/Gmc.
Thanks Steve
5000 Tons? 😂 Sorry, I had to. Love the series and motor trend definitely made at least one mistake. 3:18
Tom daniel! Creator of the coolest model ever. Badman!
Mr. B. Here ! ☕️☕️🍩🍩 Morning to all ! Steve very informative !
Pretty solid cab. Other than the normal rust low. Hope someone needs it.
You the man professor Steve
I love these investigations so much!
You are 100% correct on the toro flow and V6 gas and the difference between a chevy and GMC. However that front wheel is not the Infamous Kelsey Hays Widowmaker. What your showing is a Dayton three piece wheel. That and the lock ring wheels where never outlawed. However you need know how to safely work on them. Its the Kelsey Hays two piece rim that's dangeriou's and in my opinion should never have been made. The Duluth Junction Workshop has a excellent video on that Kelsey Hays rim that was outlawed. We also have a few split rim fixing videos on our channel. I never put a two piece widowmaker wheel back together. I send those to the scrap man.
It's my understanding that it is NOT illegal to use the Kelsey-Hayes rim on a truck, but it IS illegal to repair or replace the tires on them. So we're allowed to run the rest of the life out of our tires, but then that's it.
Loved it
Ohhh bringing back good memories ♡♡♡♡
That rig looks to have quite a few usable parts on still on it.
Very cool
Cool videos on some of the most unique vehicles ! One correction I have to make..... Several of these videos you have stated that the split rim / widowmakers were outlawed in the 1970's. NOT TRUE!! C'mon ! I remember these style wheels coming on NEW trucks and school busses right on thru the 1980's !!! On a side note, these are really cool sounding engines, my high school busses were old Crowns with Toro Flo powa !!! Again, GREAT videos !
Its the Kelsey Hays two piece rim that was outlawed. And rightly so!
@@thecollectoronthecorner7061 I'm wondering if that was an east coast thing, as identical appearing split rim "Dayton style" sometimes called "California wheels" were super common out here on the west coast on brand new trucks thru the 1980's. Super common on GM and Ford trucks running the 10.00-20 tires. I'm unaware of the difference between these wheels on the west coast trucks and the wheels on the truck Steve featured, because they were split rim, tube type with the snap rings. Very dangerous in untrained hands. Lot's of 1980's and prior trucks out west here with them still....
The Detroit inline 71 series came in 1,2,3,4,6,8,12, and 16 cylinder configurations
By the way Steve, 5000 tons would be 10 million pounds, these things would really haul some mass!
5000 tons wow that's a lot
How many hired hands got confused at the filling station and pumped gas into the diesel tank thinking it was the V-6 gas engine?
It's happened (mis-fueling) at our shop a few times. One guy knew right away that he had done it. The shop personnel dealt with it and got the truck up and running again.
Around here anyways , diesel wasn’t readily available at the filling station, if you chose diesel than you needed your own supply, that continues today as we have our own diesel barrel !
That's why, at truck stops, they sold all those stick-on signs "gas" "diesel" "no passengers" "no step", etc.
The Turo Ftow was available in 67 -74 Chevy medium duty trucks,also the Turo Flow V-6 utilized a counter balance shaft Chevrolet heavy cab overs had the V-6 401/478s available for the first time,in 66.
1967 Chevy mediums were also available with some GMC built V-6 and 8 gas and diesel,71and newer GMC/Chevrolet medium duty trucks had the exact engine availability V-6 V-8 GMC built gas and diesels,and Chevrolet inline 6s,and small blocks and big blocks that were different than the car big blocks.
Think I read the name "Turbium" was used at one time for the Toro Flow if it was in a chevy, another guy says Torque-Flow, 🤔anything's possible
@@Sheisthedevilyouknowwho-ft9we You are right GM used the name in the late sixties or early seventies.
@@Sheisthedevilyouknowwho-ft9we I just looked at a 69 Chevrolet medium,heavy duty warranty booklet,and the name was used .
60 Degree v six is easier to balance than a 90 degree v6. Different split rims were legal until at least 1986. Good vid thank you.
Split rims are still legal today, other than the dangerous Kelsey-Hayes style. These ones in the video are the Dayton style, are much safer to work with, and are 100% legal.
The Toro-Flow from what I heard would be found in their city buses and garbage truck and are problematic in those applications. They would end up getting gasoline conversion engines.
Presach ! Very good class today. Wheres katie ?
Were the Chevy 292 and GMC 305 V-6 the 3/4 ton only gas truck engines? Had a 63 GMC 3/4 ton with the 305 and the over-sized factory bed. Load that bed to the brim with rock/gravel/coal, put her in 1st, ease out the clutch, and she would ask, “What load?” Thank goodness she was slow; brakes were sketchy at best.
If I remember correctly GM had some reliability issues with those early V-6 engines. I believe it was a difficult balance.
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Good morning from Seattle wa (4 am)
Sorry to hear it
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Someone really loved that truck to put a knotty pine ceiling in it.
I don't know how many of those V6 gas engines I've seen with plaid painted valve covers. I'm guessing that was a factory thing for some reason?
Hot wheels hood!awesome!