Wagon Week EP24 - Suburban Relapse
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Large American families often needed more space than traditional stations wagons delivered. For them, International Harvester offered the Travelall. This 1966 2-wheel drive is packed with fascinating paperwork including its “birth certificate”.
If Puddin sees that thing, he's gonna go rescue that sucker!
Yeah..I was thinking the same..this one doesn't look too bad..
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@PuddinsFabShop should scoop this thing up 😁
I came here to tag puddin! Ha ha
Someone tag Puddin.
Just that paperwork alone makes me want to save that gem!!
Really well optioned out too!!
Another day closer. As stated last time:
Don't forget that Jeep had the Wagoneer in the 1960s as well which would have been a direct competitor to this and the Suburban. Yes, the 1961 to 1968 models were called the "C and D Series" and were considered the third generation (1st was 1953 to 1957, 2nd was 1958-1960, 3rd was 1961 to 1968, 4th was 1969 to 1975.). As others stated, I think you meant to say "266 V8". Also as noted by others (and you a few times, lol), Raymond Loewy designed the logo.
I would guess that the IHC under dash unit was rebadged for them by someone, say Mark IV or the likes of them. Benny from Classic Ride Society on You Tube would be one to weigh in on that, since he used to service them and collects them, featuring ones he finds on his channel. I comment frequently on that channel as well.
Yup, with the partial VIN, we win: H for Springfield, OH assembly and the rest is the production sequence. The first six digits of the VIN denote the order code/invoice model. IHC serial numbers were a bit odd for a while, as were many makes until things got "standardized" in the 1970s. By 1981, the 17-digit VIN format that we have today was the norm. The original selling dealer would have been IHC Corporation, 268 Park Street, West Springfield, MA 01089. This eventually became Keeley International and then Western Massachusetts Truck Center. Today this is Allegiance Truck Center who is a large conglomerate that has bought up a number of IHC/Navistar dealers in various places along the Northeast. As a unique aside, my local municipality will eventually use a building that was at one time a Navistar dealer and I have been there numerous times over the years when it was a Navistar dealer.
That line ticket is gold to an IHC buff/restorer as that is the "Pontiac Historical Services' or "Marti" report for IHC. The information on it is invaluable. The original paint code is a two-tone code 6452 Turquoise/9120 Alpine White as shown on the bottom of the line set. Mr. Ray is I'm sure long passed away but that address still stands and the house has a long driveway, so perhaps Mr. Ray had a tractor or large snow blower to clear his driveway during the big MA snowstorms of the past. December 23, 1966 was a Friday, so Mr. Ray probably took his new purchase to perhaps get a Christmas tree or take it to Sunday Christmas mass as a shiny new vehicle. That weekend was anywhere between about 16 degrees and 30 degrees in Wilbraham, MA, but it doesn't appear that it was a white Christmas that year.
I'm going to say the AC was a dealer install, but based on the build sheet/line set, the mirrors came on it when it left Springfield, OH where it was assembled. Navistar still operates a plant in Springfield, OH, and partners with GM to build their Silverado HD line there. Fontaine Modifications also has an assembly/modification plant there and I've been to it, most recently in November 2022. It is the main site for IHC/GM modifications, although, others are done there as we had a Ford F-550 modified there as the final stage manufacturer was also in OH for this project. IHC did have its own refrigeration unit and did make appliances for a time, but that business was sold to Whirlpool around the 1950s.
Hope all is well Steve!
Man I remember seeing this one before! I can imagine that beauty in its heydays! That is a gold mine of important papers from the original owner! Is like watching a time capsule! Sad seeing it deploring to the elements!
We're all pulling for you Steve. Hope to see you back in the Junkyard soon
One of those things served as my school bus for half a year. Tough as nails, go through anything and the heaters were fantastic!
Hope you’re recovering nicely my friend! Thanks for the videos Steve! I’ll be glad to see you back on Barrett Jackson at some point! It’s not the same without you!
I missed the most recent Barrett Jackson ,it’s just not the same!❤
Someone needs to rescue this wagon. It still as great potential.
Puddin will
It does. $50k later, someone will have nice driver quality truck.
It's already in the upper 80's here in Florida and Steve is showing us snow....."oh the humanity"......LOL
Thank you Steve!👍
I had a 1968 International pickup for a about a year back in the mid 70's. The worst thing about them was when you went to get any parts you had to have the serial number of the truck because International would make running changes and that applied to the running gear along with engine parts and that applied to the oil filters on identical engines as well. You couldn't order anything by year.
From the IHC side, yes, from the aftermarket side, not always the case.
I remember…the “line set number” was needed to arrive at the correct part…
@@paulmandeville From the IHC side when going to a dealer, yes. Not so much in the aftermarket. You weren't (typically) going into an auto parts store with that information and they didn't usually need it to get you the right part. Often times the OEM has those qualifiers in their parts catalogs and they are (sometimes) irrelevant or there is a better way to describe the attributes to get the right part. Sometimes the OEM will have a line set number break point, but the aftermarket might say something like, "All with 4 screws...part #1234" and "All with 2 screws, part #5678". The aftermarket often did a better job with parts differentiation and making it easier to look things up.
Remember, a parts store in the aftermarket doesn't have access (typically) to OEM information. I've seen some winners in parts catalogs over the years. I wrote them for 11 years, so to say I've seen it all is an understatement...LOL.
Had a buddy collect Internationals and Saabs, we went through flooded river in Washington State, 4 NBA guys lucky to survive, Coors haha
Thanks Steve for another great video.
I did a map search on the address and it's a typical home outside the City that I can totally see this truck parked in the drive in 1966.
That would have been a nice Christmas present setting in your garage. Bet he had a smile on.
Used to ride in these in grade school. I remember them well.
The city maintenance crews had some of these when i was a kid playing in the parks way back when. They were tanks. Keep your chin up buddy.
Absolutely love it! What a great company. Things built to last. I knew a international refrigerator that worked 50 years.
My second vehicle was a 1964 Travelall 1200, 266CI V8, 4 speed. It had the double doors and only the front bench seat, the rear seat was gone when I got it. I loaded it with sheetrock and plywood plus while taking a small engine repair class stuffed an Evinrude 90hp outboard, Cushman 3.5hp hit and miss engine and numerous other small engines in it to take to a show. The Granny low first gear made it easy to start moving with a load on a hill, but you had to be careful shifting to second since first and reverse were inline with each other, great for rocking to get unstuck though.
Why is International such a cool truck… but: “In 1946 the company hires a famous artist Raymond Loewy to redesign the letter series of their tractors. The result was so good that the management asked Loewy to also rethink the main badge. And this is how the famous “Man on Tractor” logo appeared: Loewy sketched it on a menu while being on the train from Chicago to New York.”
Are you backing doing better? Sure hope you are. If not your still in my prayers. Got to love Them tough old internationals
Of everything you have ever showcased this has to be one of, if not the most complete, treasure trove of originality+ documentation. I wish I knew the family so I could encourage them to "reclaim" some personal history.
Excellent video again
I’m surprised it’s still sitting there. From the video it looks very salvageable, it even has the key in the ignition. I’m guessing sadly though that there’s no possibility of getting a title for it, hence it’s sitting for parts.
When I was 17 me and bunch of buddies went to TP the coaches house during a football game.
Got to the house and did the most remarkable TP job.
On the return trip somebody found a roll of TP. And through the roll at a passing car. But that was no car. It was a police car.
Well we were almost back to the game. And we all bailed out of the suburban. But the guy sitting behind the driver could not figure out how to open the door. And the officer cought him. Yes it was a three door.
really hope who ever buys this wonderful wagon keeps it ORIGINAL! No slamming no lowering ...etc...
Thanks Steve, you are encylopedic, and quite fun to watch, continue to get better, so many wish you well.
I think about the family that enjoyed the time in this. The places they may have gone. There could be someone out there right now watching thinking that was our car or we had one just like it. "Misty memories of days gone by" Berry Gibb.
Dig my ih cub cadets 109/128 still mowing grass 54 years later
@PuddinsFabShop would love this 👍
Get well soon Steve
I had a 1972 when I was 16 and loved it!
I have a '72 4wd, I love mine as well.
Its nice to see the Snow ?????
I must be crazy 🤣
Thanks Steve..keep healing!
Steve, how about a health update? Hope your recovery is going well, Rich in Sacramento
I had a 66 Travelall just like that one. 345 ci v8. Great vehicle, wish I had it back! Some "quirky " things about them, but just srves to give them personality. 😊
Ive seen one of these restored in this color it was awesome it just looks good on a dirt driveway
Get better steve...I watched barrett over the weekend, and you were missed
Makes me wonder what IH would be making today had they survived the farm economy collapse of 1979 and the 1980 Harvester strike.
Love your work! Cheers from NZ❤
Looks saveable. Prime candidate for a LS swap. Fish the engine and electronics out of a donor. Not many of those on the road anymore.
Great video. Glad to see you back to your old self
This is a replay.
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That's OK, Steve is still recovering. @@drifter503
My buddy had one back in high school, not sure of the year, but I remember it had the 345 V8. We used to take out to the islands (Estero, Sanibel, Captive ect.) to do some fishing. Plenty of room for 5 or 6 guy's with all of our fishing equipment. Rode smooth too. Well wishes while you mend my friend!
Wonderful Video - really enjoyed this one!
👍 ironically I was unable to speak too! ie comment , but I always could view and like 👍 no not YT punishment tech issues , but do want to comment on earlier vid ☝️ Lockjaw rolling by in the squeaky wheelchair had me LoL 👍 hope all is going well looking forwforward to to you being in front of the camera again not to mention out in the field again!!! 🤗
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thanks Steve
That truck looks like it could be saved- assuming it’s not got terminal cancer growing underneath.....!
It does. I watched the video with the sound off. I may rewatch to see if it mentions where it's at. I could use another one in my yard.
Dog gets me every time !
Thanks for sharing this video
Feel better and get healthier Steve.
Can't wait to see steve come back..👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Just like the one on Puddin’s Fab Shop…!!!
Build sheet specs a 4.78 rear axle ratio !
thks
I’d love to have that one
Travelalls were a heavy vehicle. Think like Ford Excursion.
Dude you're looking good.
The garlic worked !!!
Great Job!!!!!!
Has Steve ever covered the next gen Travelall? My Dad has had a 1970 and a 1972 4x4. Such great trucks for camping and offroading. MPGs are abysmal lol
There is one of these for sale in Mexico. It needs work but it runs and drives. It looks a lot like this one.
Steve ,that doesn’t look that bad to be in the juck yard I am surprised that someone hasn’t gotten it out and back on the road…
When I was a kid my dad had a nineteen fifty seven g m c three doors suburban
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Talk about the front fuel tank eh?
Where do I get that shirt steve?
Call Pudin immediately 😮😮😮
Please support Steve's go fund me that he set up so he doesn't have to sell his house and cars he built. His go fund me video is on 5/28, it's not letting me post the link
looks like puddins travelall😊
Steve speaking robotics..lol!! Get healthy my brother, looking forward to seeing you completely healed soon!!````
Thanks Steve
This one stuck in my mind, what a honey of a vehicle in its day. Thanks for taking us along, please keep healing ~ Chuck
I have a '72 392 727 auto 4wd 1/2 ton. Bought it about 30 years ago.
Originally yellow, been painted blue, but not well.
Bought a junker crew cab just to get the 8 lug front axle, put a Square Body Chevy dually 1 ton 14 bolt in the back (bolts right in) but only run a single rear wheel.
Also got the Crew Cab to rob the 4 barrel intake manifold.
Converted it to electronic ignition and put an Edelbrock 4 barrel on it.
I live in Massachusetts and I kinda want to go buy this rig
Me too. It's like 45 minutes from my house.
Hey Steve...hoping you're doing well my man~
Wasn't that Raymond Loewy, who designed the IH logo??
Luv to see it restored. No patina - rat rod crap! I rode on IH school buses way back when...
Ambulances of this used here in Uruguay until the late 70's
Love those Binders!!!
I do hope that someone saved this one. It looks like you could practically drive it out of the yard!
Keep getting better, Steve, best wishes for a speedy recovery.
When will you be back, Steve? Hope you're all good ❤
yep remember the international travelall growing up. my dad had the 1962 international scout. built like a tank. thanks for sharing brother. stay safe out there man. 👍
"Get 'em up, Scout!"
That truck deserves to be restored!!
My dad's uncle had one of those and his daughters learned to drive in it, four on the floor and all!
Ah, the good old days!😂
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I hope someone saved that and restored or resto-modded it!👍
Love. These. Travel all
Get more better soon Steve :)
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I’d love to have one of these or a scout.. yes these had a 3rd row available and were 11 passenger vehicles with the 3rd row seats
Ugly but cool. Cheers Mags. 🇨🇦
Get well soon
The dog needs a co-star credit
In the 1980s, this was an integral part of the highschool football star/College Big Man On Campus Starter Kit: flannel shirt, levis 501s, puffer jacket, and an International Travelall.
DanE!! Where are you??
I see him!!!🥸
Darnk a few beers and came in at 2:45, and forgot... Got into Mustie1's video on that Galaxie XL...
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Didn't international have independent front suspension on their 1/2ton 2wd pickups starting in the early 60s. I was thinking they like chsvy used torsion bars? Wouldn't the travel all 2wd 1/2 ton also be independent too?
I used to work at that International location in West Springfield. It’s still there too. That’s crazy!
Not a touch screen in sight, real knobs, levers, and cables, no networks, Bluetooth, satellite anything. Steel, rubber glass and vinyl.
I look forward to seeing you do the junkyard crawl again Steve . Get well my friend 💪🏻
i live in dairy farm country.when i was a kid in the late 60s, most of the farmers had one or two international trucks for farm work.they mustve been tough & reliable.because farm life is tough & time sensitive.having equipment or livestock down is a farmers worst nightmare.
That looks worth saving, I’m surprised that it made it to the junkyard!
I remember seeing an under dash A/C vent thing, just like that, in my grandpa's 197? International tractor!