What Do Tour De France Riders Have On Their Bike Computers?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- A bike computer, or head unit, is one of the most important bits of equipment for cyclists. It can show maps, power data, heart rate, elevation and loads more, helping inform and improve your riding. But what do top pros have showing on theirs? Si got hold of former world champion Mads Pedersen’s head unit and asked Adam Yates what’s on his Wahoo!
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00:00 Intro
00:39 What is a head unit?
01:54 Adam Yates
05:52 Mads Pedersen
07:53 Summary
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What do you have on your bike computer? 🧐
distance, clock, elapsed time, speed, 3s power, average power, cadence, HR (large size). use the HR to keep within my limits (never happens lol) same display for MTB and Road. I don't maps very often and I just tend to ride rather than following a route. If I do a route I have the map uploaded so I can have the climb data. The climb feature is handy for doing munros on my bike.
Main page; cadence, heart rate, 3 second power. A page of averages and a page of random data like time, grade, elevation gain.
A bike.
I don't have bike computer. I won't show you my wahoo either.
Speed, Power, HR, Lap Avg Power, Lap Time, Cadence, Gradient
The opener to this video is just classic Si and we love it
It would have really hit home if Si said some poetry before turning into the classic Si shenanigans - but I suppose we don't want to scare everyone off.
I reckon I could write a great poem about Yates’ Wahoo.
Si is always classic 👌 He's like a fine wine!
@@gcn Si! Did you sneak onto the GCN account again?
I think bringing a trainer onto GCN to talk about how amateur riders could benefit most from the different types of data on their computers could be really helpful. It's great seeing AY and MP's screens, but does what they need to see translate to a novice's needs? It would be great to have that direction.
Great idea Rob! Amateur needs are very different to the needs of the pros. What data do you like to show on your GPS?
@@gcntime, 3s power, 30s power, lap power, cadence and HR
I was distracted by pedersen bike..
The paint is immaculate 😮
I’m such a child. Genuinely laughed out loud when Simon said Mads has such an enormous cockpit 😂
I own a Wahoo Bolt, and had no idea I could configure the screens so much. Now I need a GCN video on configuring screens on the modern Wahoos.
I was searching for this video like an hour ago and all I saw was 7 year old videos, and I was thinking why is there no recent one?! and here it is😂. GCN knows what everybody wants!
Great minds think alike 😉 What did you make of the video?
Please make videos about how team bus transport and logistics between stages of tdf. I think that is monstrous amount of team work and support.
We would love to do more behind the scenes content at the tours! Did you catch Alex's deep dive into race radios? 👉 ruclips.net/video/C03CZQYVwu8/видео.html
+1
This is such a nerdy question…and I found it fascinating 😁 Surprising I’ve not heard a pro being asked this question before, given that cycle computers are something we all use!
Glad we could help 🙌 What do you like to show on your GPS?
If the Yates boys could pedal as fast as they talk they'd never lose a race.
if you spend 8h sleeping, 8 hours riding, you end up with only 8 hours left for talking XD
They don't even talk fast
I was not aware you could add various pages! Thanks for the info
Really great to have pro feedback, many thanks!
i love that guys take the time to explain the equipment for those just learning about this stuff... you don't assume your audience is a bunch of "boys in the club"... good on ya
Never before have the three letters 'pit' been so important ( 7:40 )
The great thing about the wahoo is that I can reduce the number of data fields so that the font is big enough for my 65 year old eyes to to see 5 data fields on one screen 😂
I would’ve never guessed that Adam Yates was this charismatic
thank you adam for showing your wahoo...
Got a Wahoo as a gift a little over a year ago and it’s impressive how much data you can get from a computer. And they’re tough, too. I’ve taken a number of nasty spills and the computer isn’t even phased, besides for a few scratches.
After a group ride left my OG Elemnt on my roof after we got back and drove down the street with it there. It flew off onto a major road near where I left. Got ran over plenty before I could spin around and get it and the screen was ruined....still was working and sent all my ride data to my phone. Things a tank.
That is a great gift! A true cycling game changer 🙌What's your favourite feature from your Wahoo?
Huh, super helpful to see their setups, really appreciate the TdF riders sharing with us! I'll definitely be adjusting my screens just a bit.
I was waiting for the skip ad button to come up but then realised that the video was actually one long advert.
Kind of surprised they put so much priority on the map field.
So was I. I had figured with signage on the route, and the DS over the team radio, mapping was the one thing they WOULDN'T need while racing. Super interesting for Adam to talk about how he does use it.
@@andrewmcalister3462 Given the speeds they descend at they need to know the how tight the upcoming corners are -don't want any nasty surprises! The DS won't know where everyone is on the route at any one time and the camera feed can be delayed
I’m not at all surprised, personally I use it the same way. It’s super useful on descents and roads you don’t know well to judge how steep and long an upcoming corner is or if it’s immediately followed by a bend the other way or a junction etc which could catch you out. Really helps you to choose your line and speed through the corners more confidently.
Of course if you only ever ride on roads you know well it isn’t necessary
@@andrewmcalister3462 Not to mention, most of these riders already knew these roads well.
@@stevenmeyer9674 you think they know all the roads in the world? each turn of tour down under and GP de la sarthe ? DS can't warn for everyturn and team mates can be in different groups anyway, plus radio communication isn't great sometimes. Finally i've you ever ridden in a bunch, when you are in the middle of it it can be hard to tell how sharp next turn is
I've had a few head units over the years and one thing that is very very important to me now is serviceability, warranty and parts availability. People spend big money on a phone and expect prompt warranty service if need be and parts availability post warranty. I've had a unit go(USB port went)and I couldn't get parts post warranty. Also because that some head units have to returned to another foreign location for warranty at the owners cost. One thing I'll say for Garmin is there's lots of aftermarket and genuine parts from cases, screens and batteries for reasonable costs.
really interesting and insightful..
Adam such a nice and good humoured guy!
One of your best advertisements yet!
Great video! I use a Wahoo Bolt but I’d love to see what the riders who use a Garmin display, as from what I’ve seen while watching the race they also have interesting data combinations
7:43 I'm glad you added "pit" there. I almost spat out my drink for a split second
such a good guy adam
Nice & Thanks 🙂
7:43 and I thought the "can I see your Wahoo" joke was the dirtiest thing I'd hear in this video
What surprised me the most...who's trainingpeaks screen shot is that with >1000W for 2 minutes 😮😮😮
Would be nice to see the same from some Garmin devices:)
Not sponsored but yes indeed
@@beau2047 it is sad to see that the biggest cycling RUclips Chanel is only doing payed reviews and promotions.
@@silviugheorghe7118 they’re the biggest RUclips cycling channel BECAUSE they only do paid promotions. They have to get money from somewhere.
Besides, GMBN was sponsored by Garmin for a number of years. They made quite the strong statement for the quality of their devices too.
Not sure the choice of fields would be any different for a Garmin.
@@andrewmcalister3462 - agreed, I'm a Garmin user, and I see this gets flagged as an "AD" for Wahoo, but honestly I'm not sure there would be any difference in the data fields between the two brands.
Rumor has it Jasper has been asking for them to add the ability to track who is actually in first place for years.
OMG, I have the same one! I have the wahoo elemnt bolt
Lap info is by far the most important for training
@@RobertTarmac even if I’m doing Z2 it’s super nice. I’ll reset the lap every 10 minutes just to make sure my average power remains in Z2 throughout the ride. It’s a great tool to force you to maintain pace
Super Video! Good to see the pros using those computers too! What exact model is this Bolt? Any help!!!
It's the Bolt v2
00:20 This is the first year where I've noticed how curved in some riders like their hoods.
It only started in 2021, a new thing.
Interesting the priority put on the map by Yates and the simplicity of what he is looking at while racing. Distance to go and 5-sec power all thats needed...
Having the map in front of you makes descending so much less stressful, especially on stuff you haven’t ridden much. Highly recommend
Was really surprised to see that most of the info I look at was very similar to Alan Yates, especially cadence when we live in a cycling world obsessed with watts. But mine obviously is purely out of interest as apposed to performance 😂
If you follow GCN you already know they're Wahoo fans. I have a Bolt V2 on my Gravelbike and got a Instinct 2 watch a while ago and use them together. Completely overwhelmed by the generated data from both devices, but then again... I had a simple Cateye for over a decade so some "catching up was needed. Always though everybody at the Tour was just following the man ahead instead of using maps on their head units.
But what if there is no man ahead?
Personally, I prefer the data widgets to plain data screens; I don't own a Wahoo so don't know if they offer these. On a Garmin Edge, my two favorites are "
SPH Graph - SPHGraWH" & the "MY EDGE2".
My wahoo is specifically set up to show climbing data. I love the graphic and although it can get pretty depressing, I like having the info on whats coming up behind that next climbing corner. Speed, watts, HR, are pretty meaningless to a 70 year old.
@wahoo why can't I get rid of the lap feature? This is super annoying. I never use it, and don't know anyone who does.
does a wahoo element bolt 2 show wind speed and direction while riding ???
Dose the DS / support team use any of this data telemetry live during the race.
Make more videos just like this!
Such a happy chap lol
Main screen: 5s Watts, HR, Avg HR, Distance, Cadence, Total time, Time of day.
Map screen: NP, L/R balance (probably should remove it, not so useful), Elevation
Lap screen: 3s Watts, Lap Avg Watts, HR, Lap Avg HR, Cadence, Lap #
How do riders connect to the power meter when they change bike on the race?
You can connect multiple ant+ units (powermeters) to one wahoo, so my guess they connect their bike and spare bike to one unit and take the unit with them when they change bike.
Another unit on the spare bike might do the same trick, but i have seen riders taking their wahoo with them when they change
basically the same as how you pair to a different set of headphones or Bluetooth device. I have power meters on different bikes, my garmin will ask me if I want to switch sources if the active power meter is different from the last one and you simply say yes or no
At worse, if it's a teammates bike, they can have the headunit look for new sensors while riding
I wonder how long it will take before most of the info from the head unit is shown on a HUD built into the riders sun specs probably with voice activated commands to change the display
Too dangerous
@@bastianandersen5182 More than looking down at a screen when in a bunch?
The tech already exists, but it's not a good idea to have something like this right in your face all the time.
There have been a number of attempts eg. Varia Vision, but none of them have taken hold with consumers.
Kilojoules to pints is on my page 1.
Wahoo sales are down, good time for a commercial!
I would find it so hard to resist not hitting the history page.
Does the pros use GPS for speed or a speed sensor and which is the best and which is more accurate??
Gps is good enough.
Speed is not really important compared to power, HR, map, angle of road etc
i have the element Bolt and my home screen has speed, cadence, heart rate, distance and time.
I'm surprised the sprinter didn't have any climbing data, the sprinters still have to get over the climbs just like everyone else, and they need to save as much energy as possible over those climbs.
I absolutely suck at climbing, so I like to have it so I can gauge when the suffering will be over or if I get a little break in the gradient to catch my breath. It helps to pace for the climb. Maybe he is like my brother. My brother doesn't want to know. He says he is better off not knowing.
Best advice … buy a Garmin or Hammerhead intead
Default screens on SRM PC8 is all anyone ever needs.
Crazy how different the same element roam looks like…
Interesting! Buttons are different, great spot!
@@dan_stokes they change it all the time through the years. I got mine replaced and had a completely different version..
Luar biasa
최고 👍 thumbs up
The most annoying thing about a wahoo is that you can’t have 2 fields displayed on the top line.
Or the ability to have the map twice. Would be great on the bolt to have map full screen one line of data then on the second instance of the map more data fields
When you think Si needs a sandwich and he stands next to a pro rider and looks like he stole his lunch
It's crazy how skinny they are while producing massive amounts of power for extended periods of time. I wouldn't mind being a third as good.
Never occured to me to add estimated calories burned as field. Will have to look into that.
Same, that was my main takeaway. Sure it syncs into Garmin Connect and my food tracking app after the ride, but I'd pay better attention to it if it was right up front.
@AndyLeeJordan My Garmin 830 has a feed alert that pops up after each estimated 100 calories of burn.
I have to ask, what is a "DS"?
1 drink for every time they say super 🤣
directions to ferarri's hotel
why haven't they added a radio to the head unit. If they have one attached to their body already why not combine them in the head unit with a wireless Bluetooth microphone to the helmut with push button on/off button on the handlebars. We can do this and be safer while doing it.
Adam Yates speaking fast
Wahoo ad
Less than half of the TdF peloton use Wahoo units according to DC Rainmaker. I’m the last person to defend Garmin, but 11 teams are using their devices and only 9 are using Wahoo. Accuracy is pedantry blah de blah.
it is important to distinguish between "are using by own free will" vs "are sponsored by and have to use"
@@andreasolsson2336 Only two teams have ‘free will’ when it comes to head units and they both chose Garmin.
I’d be curious if a domestique would ever have stats from other members on their team on their head unit? Or would that be too much to try and process
yup. I have nothing but useless shit on mine and i don't even really know how most of it works lol
It was just only Wahoo, which has very limited possibilities how to customize the data screens. I use Garmin and its Connect IQ, where I use many customized data fields. I like datafields, where I can see e.g. actual speed, avg. speed and max. speed on one field. Super cool.
Surprised they all showed you their wahoo
Can you guys ask the Yates brothers, or measure yourself, if their bikes are set up the same, or if they are wildly different? Curious if they have the same setup and how close it is if not. I have no idea why either.
Data for me on my Garmin, 10 fields, time of day, time I've been out for, current power, avg power, current HR, avg HR, speed, avg speed, total distance, and feet climbed.
They are actually not identical twins, and one is taller than the other.
GARMIN hard-core pass by 😅
What no Garmin?
1:34 30min at more than 700W avg, I want what that guy's taking
Solitaire, if they’re in a posh team. Otherwise, Snake.
Why no one use GARMIN
I use garmin and I put 'stroke effort' (avaliable in IQ store) on the home page, for the purpose of protecting knees xD
Explain to me: Why hasn't Wahoo and Garmin added a feature on the maps that allow the coaching staff to modify the route colors (before the race) to help the pros know how much energy the coaches want them to ride at? Or, any other tool/metrics that the coaches can advise them with. They always have race pre-briefings... Remind them when they are out there!
That would be just like the already existent "workout" feature that these computers have. But due to the unpredictability and the stocastic nature of a race, that would be cumbersome and not actually useful, I think
As I was watching, I wondered something similar, could the software let the riders and coaches take notes that could be downloaded onto the unit and perhaps have the unit talk to them to remind them about turns, hills or places where the rider doesn't want to get stuck on one side of the road or another, personal, functional notes. If I am thinking of it, then I suspect they thought about it 15 or 20 years ago...
Very interesting. I was amused you spent 30 seconds explaining what a head unit does but then asked a question about how a "DS" compares , no idea what that is!
Directeur Sportif
= Team manager
He was referencing the fact that the Directeur Sportif (team manager) will be giving directions over the team radio eg. Sharp turns, road hazards, et .
Oké, so it's basically the same as a board radio on a F1 event... Except for the riding team members 😅
When did they start using computers? Were they illegal at any point? What did the first ones show?
Now I want to know too, great question. GPS watches were illegal and considered pacing aids in road running events at the beginning.
Pedersen is a data fiend? Maybe Bridgewood should have been a sprinter. Would help explain him getting dropped 😅
63 BPM during the interview. Must have been nervous, since his resting HR is probable like 30 BPM.
Mate 4.8w/kg is crazy good. So I donno what planet these pros are in
Oh look. A Wahoo commercial!
I'm a Garmin user, but the information provided is equally as useful for Garmin, Hammerhead, Wahoo.....I'm not sure it matters.
How much did Wahoo pay , ..just asking
I wonder if any of these guys have strava live segments enabled lol maybe snag a KOM during the tour
they do! I follow Pogi and Pinot and they got some KOMs this week
Understanding the data is so important for professional cycling. However, for the average person, the important thing is to "ride your bike, ride your bike, ride your bike".
To me the mall is super important and power so I do not blow up. And the distance to go.
Number one is HRM and understanding it.
@@Shopsmith10er HRM is also good but it allways has the danger of beeing late compared to the power...
@@RobertTarmac No way. Tell your line to the pros. You better know your heart first and foremost. Thresholds, time in the zone, etc..
TSS seems an odd choice
It is for racing. Not for training and recon.
Was Mads angry at you and not willing to be interviewed? It's not like he's had a lot more requests from other news outlets...
Oofff... Seeing these wahoo screens make me appreciate my Garmin 😢
The reason for those screens are the better readability in every condition, even when the sun is shining on it. I know it looks like calculator, but its great for racing. (Wahoo Roam V1 and Garmin Edge 530 Owner)
I can read my screen fine on my edge 1040. I more mean the HUGE bezels and the lack of touch in the Bolt and the fact that he can’t just touch it to see the temperature, you gotta put it on as a data field. The V2 version of the bolt and the roams were a real disappointment. - Former Wahoo User
I'm glad it doesn't have touch. Rain and winter gloves makes touch less than ideal. Buttons ftw!
@@Emonk2010 rode in rain last week, just press the power button and it locks the screen. And winter gloves, I dunno mine work fine? But I generally use the Di2 buttons to flip screens anyway.
@@RobertTarmac you were given a choice and you bought a touch screen lol. The 540 is for you
An enormous what?😅
All the great riders didnt need a computer to tell them how to ride. They just pedaled.🤷♂️
That’s because no one had computers. As soon as they were invented the top riders started using them because they could see the clear benefits. Merckx would 100% have used a headunit.
Someone has to speak to the elephant in the room, what’s on you Garmin or Hammerhead or whatever phone app you use❤
this was definitely not staged lmao
Why are you watching this if you don't even know what a gps is? 🤔 😅