The way that I see it, some people became so focus with Eren the Devil of Paradis Island that they completly forgot that the devil was just a heavily traumatized human. It reminds me of Erwin and how Floch completly disregarded any notion that he was human or deserved any human compassion during Midnight Sun, all because he wanted to see that devil so bad. And I think a lot of people have that same mentality as Floch. They wanted to see the ideal version of the Devil and Eren's humanity was the painful reminder that he wasn't that ultimate ideology (even thought he's still a Devil and monster for killing most of humanity). He still has other dreams and wishes he can't let go of and still cares about the people he loves in some fucked-up, questionable way. That Eren couldn't, or maybe didn't want to, get rid of that part of himself fully. And in a way, I am pretty okay with that breakdown. It happened in front of our eyes but within the universe (as far as I can tell), it was just in front of Armin, who was his best friend and the person who probably understood him the most. He let himself show that humanity he has hidden from us for most of S4. To Paradis Island, Eren died a true Devil with no humanity. Now, Eren is a slave to freedom and I always wondered if he was a slave to his own fate too. When Eren saw the memories of the future, was he really doing his own free will or was he doing what he thought future him wanted him to? Eren moved swiftly from S1-S3 because he didn't have that guide, so his choices were his own because he was free of those memories. When he got his memories, did he lose that freedom of free will? Anyways, sorry for the rambling.
eren being a "slave" to freedom is an odd choice of words that kind of confuses his character arc. eren was only a "slave" to freedom in the sense that he was always going to do what made him the most free even if he had other options but at the end of the day that still would make him ultimately free and not really a slave to anything but his own nature. also when it comes to his choices throughout the series i'd argue he was never really free until he activated the rumbling since he was always being influenced towards him activating the rumbling and becoming the eren we see in the final episode by that very same future eren.
@@Tupadre97see he was a slave to freedom. Everything he did was to start the rumbling. Every action and things he did was to end humanity to be free but at the end of the day we could have change to not do the rumbling but still did it
@@timetellnolies9425 he could have done things differently but it wouldn't lead to the outcome he wanted. the outcome he wanted the most was the outcome we got.
For those who say that eren's breakdown ruined the entire show, let me just say...The way I see it if you think that this ending is awful and ruins AOT, then you dont get the point of the show Eren. Never. Changed. Not truly anyway. Thats kinda the tragic flaw of his character. His brashness to rush in to the fight to protect his friends is ultimately exemplified in the rumbling. Sure it was destined and he couldnt change it when he saw it, but there is a reason that it was the destined outcome in the first place right? All in all, eren has always been an emotional person, and has always been willing to act on those emotions. If you thought he had truly turned into this emotionless badass, then you fell for his act. You got tricked, and thats okay, because so did I. For him to have stayed distant and heartless wouldnt have fit at all in the end. Thank you Isayama, for being willing to tell such an insanely intellegent story that was never afraid to make us ask the hard questions, or feel such raw emotion
FFS. Just reading through this made me feel a disgusting stench. Isayama truly trained his audience well, to the point of them pretending that meaningless, contradicting ending that ruins the rest of the story, is actually an ending of something "intelligent". Nobody gives much sh!t about Eren's breakdown. It's just a noticeable cherry on top, a meme material. Him being a dumbass was obvious from the start - he never displayed sagacity or intelligence before so suddenly making him a calculating mastermind would make even less sense. Only thing it does is exposing that Eren fans have been wearing clownpants this entire time. The problem is what he still does while being a dumbass. And that the rest of the main characters are no better. AoT turned out to be a story about characters throwing childish tantrums which ultimately lead to nowhere. While making the story impossible to take seriously. "I wish I was never born" from Zeke is a prime example. This idea is nonsensical, it doesn't make you ask any "hard" questions because the answer is THAT obvious. Or Mikasa having a single Eren-focused brain cell for the entire story, to the point you can almost see Isayama's hand cutting off any ways of a meaningful development for her. She even gets buried with that stupid scarf on 😂 Or Ymir being an empty plot device made in attempt to keep the crumbling story together. Loving the one who beat her up, raped and fed her corpse to her own children. These are no characters, these are narrowed, overexaggerated tropes. They're not behaving like human beings and they don't make story look grounded, realistic or intelligent - just comical. AoT is a story that in the end only wastes time and fails to deliver any concrete ideas other than childish "cycle of hatred" one. No character struggles and efforts mean anything - everything is predetermined... except that cycle could've been broken, at least for eldians and Eren's friends, but Eren just did the exact opposite by continuing it. EXCEPT that cycle actually breaks but only for plot convenience. Such as marleyans suddenly refusing to shoot remaining eldians who lost titan powers. Same marleyans who hate eldians on ideological level and now have a concrete reason and chance to finish them off but don't use that chance because luckily, a wild white-haired idealistic officer appears. There's a ton of fiction pieces that concey "Humanity never changes" idea in a much shorter time, more meaningful and much less pretentious way than AoT tries to do.
Why bro have to say disgusting stench 😭 there’s good points in both of these comments but the negative one bro “no characters, narrowed over exaggerated tropes” have you seen the evolution of eren over time fam, from a normal kid to having his entire life told to him in one moment. Also Ymir is a victim, there’s psychology about victims “loving” their abuser it’s common in abusive relationships and why they stay with them. I agree with u tho the cycle of hatred wasn’t my favorite direction to go in but overall the show is not as bad as ur making it seem, objectively.
Please refrain from saying stuff such as "they didnt understand the story". It's perfectly possible to understand the story and not like certain aspects of it. From the discussions I've read, most people don't complain about Eren being emotional. For example, I don't know of anyone who doesn't like Eren's breakdown when he apologizes to Ramzi in the start of the first special. I think the problem that many see with this scene is about him crying over Mikasa, mainly for two reasons: 1) if Eren should be crying about anything, it should be focused on the billions of people he's killing and will kill. 2) the Eren-Mikasa ship has not been developed properly. If Eren truly loved Mikasa all this time, he should have told her much earlier, given how obvious it is that Mikasa loves him (and her straight up confessing when Dina is about to eat them). It's almost always been one-sided from Mikasa's side, with Eren often telling her she's not his mom and to stop and to stop being so overprotective. Imo, Eren has always thought of Mikasa as a "big sister". Ofc he loves her, but not in a romantic way. I think Isayama also said something similar in an interview many years ago. In addition, the scene and dialog was very memeable, especially the manga panel.
@@Prushinthespirit I know this reply is probably going to be wasted on someone who clearly has an avid hate for the show, especially considering you clicked on this video and just wanted to spread hate, but I can at least try and defend the characters and writing If you think that Zeke's whole character arc about not wanting to be alive anymore is surface level, then I'm honestly surprised you even had the brain power to be able to respond to my comment. Yes, the idea can seem nonsensical to some, but for others Zeke's position is a very real thing for them. That entire part of the show was to make you ask "what then is the point to living?", which is ultimately brought to light in Zeke's and Armin's conversation in the finale. While Mikasa's one minded track about Eren could definitely be over the top and annoying in some parts, the fact she was the one to deal the final blow absolutely shows that Eren is not her entire personality. If someone came along and not only saved my life, but also taught me how to continue living, I'd want to follow that person too People have already mentioned the Ymir thing, and yes it absolutely can be a real thing. It's called Stockholm syndrome. Perhaps you should inform yourself about it before absolutely insulting a very real issue So sure, some characters make dumb decisions sometimes. But wouldn't it be super boring if every character made the perfect decision in every circumstance? You claim that these characters don't feel human, and yet making mistakes and learning from them is fundamental to being human. The cycle of hatred (which you seem intent on continuing with your harsh words) is not the only theme in the show by a landslide. Armin's character growth of recognizing your own self worth and believing in yourself, Jean's ideal of going past your own selfish ambitions to genuinely make a difference before he has to see more of the bones of his comrades, the theme of being your own true self rather than fitting others expectations that are exemplified in Historia and jaw titan Ymir, the idea of being a "slave" to some sort of person or ideal, these are just to name a few out of many other themes present within the show, so don't get caught up on just one of them just because you may not like it as much You are entitled to your own opinion, and I'm always willing to hear out and respect others' opinions to help grow my own understanding of the show. But when you actively insult those of us who would rather see the positive than loom on the negative, that's the part I'm not okay with. THAT is a truly disgusting stench
Ymir curse lifted, there is no titan anymore. That worm converts desires into reality, ymir desired for something stronger, larger & undying body. That kid at the end doesn't seems like he desires something like that. He will get new type of power.
I don’t hate ending the thing I hate is why there is so many unanswered questions like what happens to mikasa and Amrin and other characters how they lived after!?
I think they showed them aging and that was all that we really needed to know, they showed mikasa visiting erens grave with likely jean and her own family, we also saw armin visiting the grave. Erens entire plan was just so his friends could die of old age and that’s exactly what happened
Tbh everyone told me the manga ending was hot garbage and ruined the show and they likened it to GOT ending. And I finished the episode going like “it was fine.” Like I loved that first hour so much that the “meh” last 20 minutes didn’t ruin the show or whatever for me. I think the fans really blew up how “bad” the ending was
FRRRRR, like I was going into this expecting some hot garbage, this was NOTHING like GOT in the slightest yet people swore it was. There were little things but overall this gave me the closure I needed after 10 years of this peak fiction
@@AntiKash agreed. It wasn’t perfect there were a good amount of issues by the end but I mean… idk the scene with zeke and armin and all the action scenes e like really highlighted some amazing dialogue and direction. Granted this wasn’t perfect either. The entire ymir rewrite was dumb tbh (she did it for love…. Lol) and having a huge focus on mikasa and erens romance at the end felt left field. But like the main message that erens actions didn’t actually do good was great. Some people really wanted eren to make people not be racist but like… LMAO that would have been such a dumb ending if everyone just loved the eldians all of a sudden
@@petritkolai dont think the romance was out of left field. In every season we see mikasa crushing hard and in the last 3 episode it’s all about if she would be able to kill him despite her love for him. It ties very well with ymir’s twisted love story and the end of the titans. Edit: i wouldnt call it a rewrite of ymir’s character either, we saw her looking at the king’s women with something you could call envy (that’s my thought on it at least). A reveal that changed everything, she was not a slave to him but only to her feelings, the opposite of mikasa.
I think you have to put in perspective that the manga readers had to wait months for each chapter. So they got all invested in the ending as it was approaching so even if it was a meh ending it seemed so much worse for them after all that investment.
@@williamfrank962 I agree and again I'm anime only and maybe the manga did a worse job in showcasing the ending. But the anime ending itself honestly was decent. A solid 7/10 for me
I hate the argument "Eren doesn't want Mikasa to move on." Of course he doesn't! The guy went through years of hell and what's coming next is even worse and will result in his death. Him cracking down, only this once, and speaking his mind to his best friend only makes his character better and more realistic in my eyes. And the fact that he immediately follows by saying "Don't tell her, though" shows that even in the moment when he lets himself be weak, be just a regular human being, he still has the armoured titan's resolve and the colossal titan's balls.
The colossal titans balls 💀💀 yes tho like u said people couldn’t handle this man just being himself for a couple of seconds, isayama wrote eren too well that people forgot he’s human
@@AntiKashYes, Kill 80% of humans and then proceed to cry about your own suffering.............Dogshit ending....... And didn't mentioned that he will carry the burden? Or he will fight...........
@@vaishnavihoge5621 yea I mean he’s not a good person, people want eren to be someone with resolve and a anti hero but he’s literally a broken, extremely fucked up person and the finale just emphasized that
This is a great analysis. Thanks for appreciating the journey that is AoT as well. I enjoyed the ending personally. I will never forget this show and the amount of growth and character development exhibited from episode 1. We go from Eren's innocence to his downfall and it's truly heartbreaking but poetic how the one who loved him most broke the chain. Eren is just super tragic and it's crazy how he endured his mom's death, Hannes' death, Sasha's death, Hange's death, and every other comrade he fought with in the scout regiment. Thankful that everyone's character came full circle and their arcs were closed out properly. You had Zeke, Annie, Reiner, Pieck, Falco, Gabi, Jean, Conny, Armin, Mikasa, and Levi all get their way in the end. Sad to see how history just repeats itself though too.
Ayy thank you and Exactly what you said, the amount of depth each character had is so wild to me especially considering most shows will go as far as 2-3 characters who really shine. It has been an amazing journey and I’m glad you enjoyed it as well
Depends on perspective, some people see the ending as a hopeless future but I see it as a message Isayama trying to tell us. If we forget the lesson and keep pushing each other into hell, then history would repeat itself. Sometime conflicts could occur in the scale within a family, it doesn't need to be 20% of the population to create conflicts, to start a war. It can simply start of by two brothers having conflict and fight for two different ideal. It can be as simple as a parent starting to force their believe on their son and ignore their child mental and later created an adult who believe every life is pointless. Or even just friends having disagreement on the solution. The point is, conflict is hard to avoid, but we can start preventing it by being empathy to each other even if we have different opinions cuz we learned how it feels to be hurt by someone else. However, there is limitation of what we can do for our future generations. Whether it is a hopeful future or a hopeless future, things move on.
That’s a beautiful way to look at it. I’m sure that’s actually what he meant too, I took it as the negative side off of image alone but there really is the positive side of it that you described
for so many years I've been despise and hate the ending of manga up until now I've come to appreciate the way the story ends surprisingly. Its very realistic how war eventually starts over again. Its neither good or bad ending but morely very realistic one. I never really accepted this ending once I've read in the manga but watching the anime, im glad they improve on eren and armin last conversation as well as other things because that really made the ending feels organic and acceptable even though all that genocide and massacre are meaningless in the end, having eren and some people knows that really shows how depressing and wide the world is but are written beautifully and impactful. Maybe the manga felt more rushed but the anime just feels right. But honestly im actually satisfied. Well done Mappa and isayama. Its been a great journey
Yes i could not be more glad to hear that, I’ve been updated on the changes made to the armin and Eren conversation and I’m so glad they did, and now I get more why the manga readers were pissed cus I would be too. But anime wise it was truly done right and like you said all I have left to say is truly thank you isayama
I think the message of the show is even though war repeats itself there will always be hope. The kid at the end finding eren's tree after the wars ended in the future represents humans (the kid) finding Hope (Eren's purpose of stopping wars).
Exactly It’s up to the kid on how he uses the power It can be bad like how the story started BUT IT CAN BE GOOD TOO Titans are just a tool it’s up to humans how we use it
Heres some of the takes about the ending that ending haters like myself have: - We abandon our main character and his motivation for the entire final arc. He has spent the entire last arc being a plot device. His personality radically changed at the end of the RtS arc, for obvious reasons but in ways that are never made clear. He is clearly compelled to initiate the Rumbling, but also doesn't seem interested in seeing it through, which is a weird stance to take on global genocide. He has, ironically, become a slave to the metaphysical abstract of "Freedom", much like how a Power Rangers villain worships the general idea of "Evil", and it is just never addressed.
\- The plan was apparently "murder 80% of the world, so the Alliance looks like the good guys", but in the next breath we are told that they're just going to take their revenge--"This fight won't end until either the Eldians or the rest of the world are wiped out."
\- The idea that the Alliance looks like the good guys is ridiculous: no one could believe that their victory over the unstoppable Eren was legitimate (which it wasn't, he lets them win), Paradis is still largely Yeagerist, and the battle itself wasn't observable by non-Eldians.
\- On the other hand, killing 80% of the world just to delay war with the other 20%, is also a terrible justification for genocide. Why stop at 80%? Going by early 1900s estimates, Eren will have killed over 1 billion people, leaving 200-500 million against Paradis's meager 1 million. That's like Fiji vs the United States; Paradis does not stand a chance.
\- Also note: It appears the Rumbling destroys everything in its path. This implies that the remaining 20% is largely contiguous--the Rumbling was some 100-mile wide steamroller, not a precision striking surgical attack squad. There's no way for Eren to have specifically disabled the military of the remaining population. That indicates that the remaining humans won't be completely disorganized and lacking the infrastructure needed to mount a counterattack.
\- The politics involved were too complex for Eren to figure out on his own, it seems. So why didn't he get advice from his genius best friend about it? Why did he talk to Floch & Historia? If he's worried that his friends will oppose him, maybe it's because they have a point and he should take their advice. If he can't stop himself anyways, there's not really any reason not to tell them either.
\- This guy, having never expressed an iota of romantic affection for Mikasa, tells us he loves her only after he's dead.
\- Knowing how the Rumbling would turn out, what was the point of all the collateral damage in the Liberio operation? The Liberians are some of the few people to survive the Rumbling, and likely to hold enmity for it. Taking the Warhammer Titan power seems largely wasted.
\- Similarly, we abandon Historia for everything post-Uprising. That arc revolved around putting her in power, and once she's queen she does nothing except get pregnant. The story cuts to her every now and then to remind us she's pregnant, but nothing ever comes of it.
\- In the ideological name of freedom, he has allowed other Eldians to mount a resistance, which is fair. However, when it comes to mounting a defense of the Founding Titan, he barely tries.
\- Dozens of shifters face off against 4 shifters, 2 Ackermans, and a few normies. Eren demonstrates he can create a volley of arrows and rocks in addition to an overwhelming numerical and experience advantage, but the Alliance is still able to put up a fight.
\- He captures Armin, but lets him live and get rescued.
\- He leaves explosives on his neck, to be detonated.
\- He holds Pieck impaled until she regains her composure and starts her attack again (though the timing of this is unclear. Perhaps she was still fighting while the rest were flying around and didn't get impaled until they were on their second approach).
\- Eren hides his head in the Colossal Titan's mouth, unguarded and without even being crystallized. He also doesn't use steam to fend off Mikasa.
\- Now, obviously Eren intending to lose isn't technically a plot hole, but it leads to two big narrative issues:
\- In the end, there is no tension to the big final battle because Eren has apparently already decided on an ending and no amount of effort from the Alliance has any effect on it. The entire final climactic battle is just meaningless spectacle.
\- No one acknowledges that Eren was letting them win.
\- The Progenitor Hallucigenia started this whole thing and we know nothing about it. No one even gives it an in-universe name. We have to refer to it with nicknames.
\- Is it natural? Magical? Is it the devil? Is there another one? Could it create another Founding Titan? Did it choose Ymir or was it an accident? This thing kicked off the entire mythos of the series and we know nothing about it and no one seems to care.
\- Its behavior in the final battle is bizarre.
\- When Eren's head is blown off, Reiner is somehow able to hold off the spine, which decided to stop growing once it reached about 50ft.
\- When his head is blown off, it turns out the spine actually was the progenitor hallucigenia, and now it is somehow alive, disconnected, and independent for the first time in 2000 years. Its objective is apparently to reconnect with Eren's head. However, instead of running toward Eren in the aftermath of the explosion when everyone else is winded, it runs away to gather an army of titans to clear a path.
\- Why was it so important to get to Eren's head when shifters can move their consciousness?
\- It takes its horde of titans and bullrushes Reiner, Annie, and Pieck so it can get back to Eren. Despite the overwhelming force (the titans could just pick everyone up and run forward), they are still able to hold off the spine.
\- Hallu-chan goes away. It just disappears without a trace and no one comments on it. It survived without a host before Ymir, why not now?
\- Ymir's actions are incomprehensible
\- How much of the Rumbling was her and how much was Eren? During the final battle, did she build the Alliance's titans just so they could attack her? Did she have any agency at all besides choosing Eren over Zeke? The whole Ymir-Zeke-Eren love triangle doesn't seem to follow any particular rules.
\- What was her motivation? Love? Love for perpetual abuser, projected onto Mikasa’s obsession? Why is she gone? Because Mikasa kissed Eren? Ymir has had sex (most likely not consensual), but kissing is what placates her? Or was it her killing Eren?
\- It seems that it functions like some kind of a fairy tale, where some single simple action just stops the curse without any real intermediary steps. If Mikasa killing Eren solved it, does that mean Ymir needed Mikasa to show her how to move on past her love? If Ymir was in love with Fritz, why would she want someone to show her an example of moving past it? Was there no one else in 2000 years who could do that? So what did Eren accomplish when he convinced her to oppose the royal bloodline (i.e. Zeke) in 122? And how does this end the Titans? Was she only making titans for the last 2000 years specifically to be slaves to the royal bloodline?
\- Why did Ymir make titans according to human rules? Why did she make titans for the Marleyans, who opposed the royal bloodline? Why was it difficult for a shifter to shift multiple times consecutively? What determined the rules that governed the titans at all?
\- In the end she just goes away, like the worm, without a trace.
\- In the end, nothing is accomplished. The war continues. Eren's genocide was pointless. In fact, it might have just made the remaining peoples hate Paradis more. Again, why would you half-ass a genocide?
@@meepmeep2706I can tell you guys read the words ending haters and turned off your brains kind of like you do for this ending. I wish I had that ability to not only be so lazy that I can't take 5 minutes to read something but to turn the logic part of my brain off and just drool into my chips bag and watch things.
Why do ppl dislike his emotional outburst, he was clearly at different stages of who he was during these scenes. Im not gonna lie i didnt even think anything of it other than it showing some of his humanity, obviously a part of us not wanting our lady to move on is a very human and honest thing in that moment. The eren on these scenes is clearly different to the present current time hardened eren
People just can’t handle different versions of eren. They love the badass version of him and probably self insert so seeing him breakdown threw them off. It’s such a stupid reason to hate and hopefully they just think about it for a second and realize they’re in the wrong
@@Uncle-Ruckus. he said literally seconds later that he wants her to find happiness, he just broke character for a moment in a scene that is a wiped memory. It makes sense
Because it's cringe and out of character as well as inappropriate. He's braking down over Mikasa, a bland as fk character whom he barely has any meaningful development with rather than the actual lives he's taken. You want Eren crying with actual meaning and emotion behind it? We did that already with Ramzi and in a significantly more dignified manner. Get that sorry ass mass murdering simp out of here!
2:35 - I liked how you put the Character Assassination thing to rest. I personally didn't like the Cold, Emotionless Eren, it seemed like it was a drastic change and I figured he was hiding something and he was. We found out all his memories were just mush at that point. I think once he unlocked all those memories, he became overwhelmed. He became a slave to his destiny like you said and he was also a slave to his pursuit of freedom. Personally, I love the Irony in that.
Exactly, OVERWHELMED. Literally so many people missed that when he explained himself how time became a mess of a thing😭 dudes a human and got the most pressure possible put on him and then convinced himself he had no choice and that it was all for freedom. Amazing writing and undeserved hate.
Eren saying he does not like Mikasa and Armin at all is the biggest character assassination a lot of people fail to see. Him breaking down and tell the truth is character accurate to the finest
yeah people love to forget that eren only existed because he saw SOME of the memories of him activating the rumbling and didn't even fully understand what was going on until he activated it and gained the full power of the founding titan. its only at that point that his character goes back to how he truly always was and is the truest version of himself but people just love to ignore that fact for some reason.
@@Tupadre97 the truest version of himself was him being a simp and crying over his step sister getting railed by another man in the future? 😂for some reason you guys think its stupid that Eren's mood and demeanor changed after he found out he has to destroy 80% of the world, it's called character development, you expect him to be the same happy kid after he knows he has to do that? beginning of s4 Eren had many peaks to him which is why people loved him like how he understood how both sides of the conflict worked in the reiner conversation, he realized that no side is wrong or right and that everyone has their own perspective on why they do the things they do, and then we got ending eren who literally doesn't know why he did the rumbling and his whole explanation of everything was because he was simply an idiot, now compare the two and tell me which one is good writing
I feel this ending kinda commits a sin just like what the fans of Lost wanted. Like it basically gives us a twenty minute presentation of what happened between Eren and Armin instead of showing us and letting us figure it out. The ending is so blatantly obvious it is why it is confusing, as all of aot has been pretty much given up to interpretation.
Yea it’s a pretty fair way to end it, It’s just unfortunate to see but again I can’t blame him especially considering the amount of battles we have modern day
5:28 really? there are literally people dying at ukraine and palestine in a wars and literal genocide and probably more places, today, right now. nobody except the parties directly involved is doing anything about that. it happened before, it happens now, it will happen again, and I am not so sure I am safe, or if anyone is. with weapons we have today, it takes one charismatic fanatic to make us go back in time as civilisation. it is very real. I dont mean to be a fear mongler, but we really have to be more aware that time of peace shows to be always temporary.
My point wasn’t that wars aren’t nonstop in fact I meant as referring to Palestine when I said that wars continue to this day. My point is attack on titan is not comparable, we’ve had losses of a lot of people over time but not 80% as I know it and if that we’re to happen I believe we’d be smarter about our future and not just nuke everything again. But I’m not also not saying that has no chance of happening, I just assumed we’d be smarter if we lost that many people no matter how far in the future it is
AOT IS PEAK. Bro got me with the title tho lol I thought I was gonna have to argue with you about AOT but man’s clickbaited, it did get me to click, great vid 😂
I usually never clickbait but I had to this time😭 I feel like everyone’s talking about aot rn reasonably so, so I wanted to stand out somehow. And honestly I was confused why so many people were hating, this ending was amazing
I once told my friend, I believe that if humans completely disappeared but come back again for a second chance, that we will still end up at the exact same point all over again. We won’t do things differently and this show validated that 100% 😂 I loved it. This show managed to shock me like no other show has ever been able to do. What an absolute journey.
The epilogue we were shown during the ending credits so pessimistic but absolutely true; humanity is destined to destroy ourselves repeatedly with our conflict. Even if Eren had succeeded in wiping out 100% of the world outside of Paradis Island, the Eldian's would eventually find conflict amongst themselves again and the cycle of violence continues. As long as humanity holds different opinions, there will be conflict that eventually leads to violence and war. It's just how it goes.
I don't think it was pessimistic. It showed that there was a *very* long period of peace on Paradis. The characters we knew, their children and their grandchildren likely got to live full lives. There was always going to be more wars in the future, just like in the real world. That's just realistic.
@@bogdanturda566 Definitly not saying we should all have the same opinion. That would be horrible and boring and awful. I wouldn't want to live in that world. The awful truth tho, is there will be people who want to go to war over opinions and resources and that's just human nature, nothing can be done about it and nothing really should be done about it. That being said, we are perpetually desinted have pockets of peace, for some, only for everyone to decent back into chaos and violence once again. Thats what all of human history is and will continue to be. It's beautiful dn utterly tragic.
To the people saying that what Eren did (killing 80% of humanity) was pointless in the end and that he should have just gone full 100% are so simpleminded. First off the 80% and everything else was set from the start, even if he wanted to decide to do 100% of the rumbling he still couldn't have changed his own fate since the start of the show. Second, if that DID happen, his friends that would try to stop it would die, there would still be war. Paradis would start conflict with itself by infighting and destroy itself. By having that 20% Paradis unites against a common enemy instead of turning against themselves over time. And as for paradis being destroyed ages or milennia later, that is their own seperate conflict. The ones we knew are LONG gone and lived their long lives, WITHOUT ANY TITANS IN THE WORLD, which was Eren's primary goal since the start. You can't expect him to look out for the future forever like an actual GOD lmao. As if we in the real world have had world peace, we are actually even worse lmao, threatening to kill someone else over a difference in opinion...
Perfectly said, erens not a god he couldn’t see thousands or millions of years into the future. His only goal was for his friends to die of old age and that’s exactly what happened, too many people missed that point
I find the ending fitting, I would just wish it was more fleshed out and subtle with Eren’s character. I feel like somehow he needed more time, like we never got to see Eren’s perspective the first hour. I think Isayama really wanted to pass on his message which is why he was so blatantly obvious instead of subtle, even tho the break down does make sense it is more as how we came to that break down.
Both ur comments are extremely true, I think I mentioned it in my vid too but that’s it, I just wish there was more time, more fleshed out, and letting us interpret eren rather than be told he’s a hero. Still enjoyed the ending but yea these little details feel more true to aot as it has always been
@@AntiKash Yes i definitely think Mappa could have taken more time with Isayama to figure it out. I don't know, maybe in the future we will get a more fleshed out ending, not a different one but a better one, I'm still hoping ahah.
@@AntiKash Man, how opinion can differs a lot is so interesting. Eren's breakdown didn't make me see him as a hero. He is someone who wants his friends to live and die in peaceful situation but he also desires an unoccupied world that he dreamed of as a child. That's why he is letting others freely use their titan because he wants them to be free and want them to stop him because he can't give up his desire an empty world where no human exist outside Paradis. He is a slave to this desire, a slave to freedom. Eren wants his friends to be the hero who stop him because he knows what he is doing has crossed the line. He is not good at this point, not a hero.
In a way yea, I think he should’ve dedicated at least a couple of episodes to building up the eren and mikasa love, I mean it was somewhat hinted at but also mainly just mikasa and overall seemed like a sibling love, it’s not a big deal to me at all but yea I see that
it was always subtle but i mean down to the fact that eren wrapped the scarf around her, saved her as a child and always wanted to protect her alongside the rest, which like i said was subtle and not always romantic but its not crazy to see that either imo@@brianachim2670
Little correction: Eren did not learn his entire life the moment he kissed historias hand. He "only" learnt what his father had seen through future memories. Im almost certain he didnt know the ending until he gained the founding titans powers. This is evident when he enters Paths. Eren didnt know Zeke would have control of the founder at first. I dont think this changes your point that much though.
Ohhh ok thank u for clearing that up but yes like you said even just seeing his fathers memories and all that brutality, and then eventually learning of his end in the paths, just a terrible situation for him overall
@@AntiKash yes. He still saw the rumbling, but it's very unclear exactly how much he knew. But from him trying different approaches, we know that the memories he saw never changed. This more or less leads to the same thing you talked about I think :)
I actually changed my stance on this. He almost for sure knew the gist of how it was gonna end. Not that he would rumble 80% necessarily, but that he would stop before reaching 100% and likely that he would get killed. I base this on the first thing in 139, where he said he pushed Mikasa and Armin away so they would be heros when they killed him. This also annoys me as it seems to contradict what he said he in his inner monologue in 130: "I'm gonna destroy all of them that's on this earth, every last one of those animals". You can take it to believe the titans, but that would be very weird and forced considering he was trampeling over people and cities as he said it.
Liked the ending, BUT... When Armin asked Eren why he did the rumbling and all he said was "I dont know". Yeah that's not good enough for me. It's the end of the show you need to have figured that shit out.
Walk in eren’s shoe. Can u remain sane in that situation????? 😂. I can’t. So for eren to show his humane side of thing is entirely acceptable and it’s perfect. He fulfil his prophecy anyway and gave his friends and love ones die of old age. There is no perfect ending in this. The suffering became insufferable. 😢😢😢
Yes to both comments in this thread, he should but it’s also the fact that this was all thrown on him the moment he kissed historias hand. It’s as if he was told everything he’ll have to do and maybe he did have a choice, in fact I think he did, but with all that thrown at u it basically feels like you don’t and that’s what really changed everything
@@robimadafaka3626 again I think the easiest way to look at it is eren was a slave to his fate, which he witnessed much earlier through the power of the founding titan. He saw his future present and past all at once and I think that was the biggest reason or agitator as in what he did
I know this is his work not mine that doesn't automatically mean i have to like everything he does with the story. That arguement is as dumb as the "if you dislike it so much them make it yourself".
That wasn’t what I was getting at, my point is people couldn’t separate the fact that it was still good as an ending just not what they wanted. You can argue a ending is bad or good but when you start putting the “want” into it like how eren should stay a badass the whole time. That becomes a preference, and now you’re complaining that the work isn’t like how you wanted and trying to convince others that it’s bad
I hated the manga ending and made me regret buying every volume, but surprisingly, I didn't hate the anime ending. The pacing and few dialog changes made it feel a lot better, and Isayama's ending message came across clear in the anime ending. However, I still feel the ending was changed to either appease the weirdo shippers or so it wasn't such a negative ending. I don't understand why when somebody says they didn't like the ending, the immediate response is "What, you expected a happy ending, lmao?" No, I actually expected a lot darker ending, and the ending we got WAS the happy ending. My biggest issue was everyone's eagerness to forgive Eren and Erens "love" for Mikasa coming out of left field. Eren never had romantic feelings for Mikasa until the very end of the story, Mikasa always loved Eren, though that seemed fairly obvious to me. The only character I ever saw Eren show even an ounce of romantic interest in was Historia, until the second to last part of course when out of nowhere Eren is madly in love with Mikasa. That even makes more sense for the parallels between Mikasa and Emir. Mikasa is head over heels for Eren, but Eren only views her as a sister, just like King Fritz never loved Emir despite Emir being obsessed with him, and I never got the feeling Eren loved Mikasa as anything other than just his adoptive sister. The other issue I had was that after all the death, torture, suffering, after all the lives lost, friends killed, after 80% of the human population was exterminated, (which also includes 80% of plant life, land animals, religions, cultures, landmarks, world wonders, languages, ect.) all wiped out by Eren. After Eren erases 80% of the planet, a genocide that makes all the real world's mass murders combined look like ameuters, the characters are all giddy and even call him goofy at one point, they all forgive and even somewhat honor Eren to an extent, that's just ridiculous to me. That being said I'm not to upset over the ending, could it have been better? Definitely. Was it Game of Thrones bad? Definitely not. Will go down as probably my favorite anime of all time, despite my issues with the finale, the entire package was so good, I can overlook a hiccup or two at the end.
Some people ain’t readin allat 💀 but I am! and i had a very similar experience as you but not as tough since I didn’t read the manga, and as I think about people like you who waited for months to get that final chapter I could see the glaring issue, and to top it off there were things I’m hearing about the manga like armin thanking Eren for a genocide!!?!??? But thank god they changed it for the anime and it was an amazing change. There were flaws no doubt, but like u said it’s something I could look over and the anime will remain my favorite.
@AntiKash we'll said, yea, the manga ending was rough, Attack on Titan is one of the rare exceptions where the anime is significantly better than the manga, with so many other great Mangas to read like Vagabond, Berserk, Kingdom, or Vinland Saga, I wouldn't recommend reading the AoT manga unless your just a super fan, but I frequently recommend the AoT anime to everyone I know, I have gotten many friends and family members addicted to it. It was an amazing journey, Isayama, and the teams developing the anime have nothing but love from me. I have a feeling this isn't the last we'll see of Attack on Titan, 2000 years of Titan history to pull from and then that ending from the future where the girl and her dog went into the tree, I think a spin off is on the horizon.
Gimme a cookie! I read all of it! 🙌🏾🥴 Anyway, Eren no doubt showed warm feelings toward Historia, in manga and anime alike. It also helps that they didn't grow up together. I mean, how do you say you think you might be in love with your adopted sister?🫤 Back on the subject, I think their bond was strengthened due to their connections to the Founding Titan. Only, I don't think it developed into anything romantic. I refer to her decision to get pregnant, ultimately, to protect Paradis. Whether by Eren or whoever, that bit always seemed more obligatory than a *romantic act of love. EreMika certainly could've been written better, so as not to show a one-sided pov. Then again, how does one write about possibly being in love with their adopted sibling, without sounding like a creep? 😐 This isn't a justification for how he treated her in comparison to Historia. At all. Ultimately, any deep feelings Eren may have felt for Mikasa, but were never quite outwardly expressed, was partly due to that barrier. In that sense, Eren's switch-up wasn't so much out of the blue, as it was prolonged. On the surface, the brother-overly protective sister arc completely checks out, so I get why some would be anti-EreMika. To your last part, I also don't think it was like forgiving him, as it was reconciling with his actions. How do you cope with knowing your closest friend/comrade/relative/neighbor is a total monster? How do you move on from that? This happens all the time in real life. That's all I got. It's been a blast 😅
@@AntiKashI caught that panel. I didn't take it as a sincere apology, but rather 1) poor sarcasm, facetiousness, and 2) his attempt at accepting responsibility. This is where the anime attempted to correct. Recall when Eren brought the crew into the paths following Hange's death (RIP), I'd argue that he was already down that road. His last memory with Eren validated that.
I may not have been part of this journey from the beginning, like many people have, but it was still nothing short of an amazing show with a great ending. As you said, there are really only insignificant nitpicks that can be made once you really sit down and accept that this is the vision Isayama had. Eren’s character may have changed from our perspective, but in the context of the story, this is how he’s always been. While I was watching the breakdown scene between him and Armin, I couldn’t help but feel a bit disappointed. Aside from a very few instances before this finale, like when he broke down in front of Ramzi, I found it incredibly easy to push aside our past experiences with Eren and to see him as a selfishly misguided villain. Now that I’ve had some time to think about it, I’d better describe it as being uncomfortable rather than disappointed. I didn’t want to face the truth that nothing about this situation was black and white. I didn’t want to accept that he was still a flawed human through it all. He was never justified in his actions, and yet what else could I have expected him to do? We can’t possibly comprehend the traumatizing and confusing situation he was thrown into all in the single moment he kissed Historia’s hand. The ending is meant to be bittersweet. It’s meant to be thought-provoking. Although it may not be everyone’s perfect ending, it stays true to the cruelty of our world. And most importantly, it is, finally, the end.
I LOVE U BRO. Alsoo This couldn’t have been said any better, exactly what you said about selfishly misguided villain, it is the only words that can describe eren at this point. He was thinking of himself in a moment he described killing 80% of the population. Clearly he never grew up because he never had the chance too, yet he still bared the weight of the most powerful titan in the world, with an immense amount of history on his back. His character makes sense as does the end, it’s cruel but alike to the reality we’re in and with wars going on in Palestine and Ukraine, couldn’t have argued against that reminder of the cycle of hatred. Bittersweet but a great close nonetheless to beautiful piece of fiction.
Just think about it: Isayama managed to create a silent character, with ZERO dialogue and ZERO monologue but still explore her backstory, struggles, suffering, mystery around her motivation, set such amazing parallels between her, the mc, historia, freckled Ymir, zeke and frieda only through her emotions and actions, symbolism and visuals, he connected it with aot's themes and its lore. He managed to write THIS... so she, ymir fritz, got to be destroyed by 3 gd lines ("only Ymir knows...", "ymir loved the king fritz" and "she was waiting for mikasa") Just... why? WTH? FOR WHAT? Where do I begin? Well, her love for the king... Firstly, no way it's Stockholm syndrome cuz this shit works differently. You guys read about it yourselves. So, no. Secondly, WHEN did she start to develop feelings for him? Before freeing the pigs? After their marriage? After getting pregnant? When? Thirdly, WHY does she have affection for her husband? He ruined her life in every way, he abused her physically and mentally, he did the same thing to their children but she... Uh, ok, let's see (as if we could). If she loves him, why does she disobey him by freeing the pigs and not regenerating? Why doesn't she smile or isn't happy when he's around? Why does she want him dead instead of her and regrets not letting fritz die? If she regretted this whole time, doesn't it mean she already put herself and her daughters above her husband so the titan curse could end sooner? Now, ymir and mikasa... Their connection has NO buildup. It's never hinted at something common between these two throughout the entire show. The Ackerman's headaches had no allusion to the goddess. So why mikasa? What about this woman made fritz choose her? The fact she was an Ackerman? Or the person who was able to kill the love of her life? Um, couldn't ymir find someone else, like, sooner, 282 years ago for example, among millions of people, within 2000 years? Or it's because mika killed the founder when it separated from hallucigenia? Who knows, who cares... Why even show so many well-written parallels between ymir fritz, eren, historia and freckled ymir if they have no payoff? Why does Ymir find herself in mikasa but not historia whom she has much more in common with? Historia is a better version of her, so why not wait for reiss? For what reason does she pick a girl with no dignity, self-respect and ability to move on or grow up? How are her relationship with fritz and eremika bond even similar? Eren didn't treat mikasa the way fritz treated his wife. Eren saved and freed mikasa, that tyrant enslaved and and turned his woman's life into a nightmare. The mc and the king are complete OPPOSITES just like mika and ymir. What would she do if mikasa suddenly changed her mind and didn't kill eren? Wait for 2000 years for someone again? How can mikasa help her move on from the king if ackerman didn't move on from eren herself? Next, if Ymir was the one to make titans in the paths, who made her titan? Was the hallucigenia a separate organism or was it connected to fritz after giving her titan powers? If it wasn't connected to her, then why did it disappear instead of trying to find a new holder? Why was it trying to find one at first but vanished after Eren's death? So the founder's death affects it? Then the hallucigenia should have died when Ymir died. But they're not connected, are they? Or the opposite? Ugh... Why did the founder split into 9 titans? Why not 6 or 27 or 3 if she had 3 daughters? If maria, rosa and shina were able to get their mom's power at the same time, does that mean both erwin and armin could eat berthold and become shifters together? How did fritz know about the way of passing titan powers to new holders? Was Ymir dead when he fed her to their daughters? If she wasn't, then her power should have been given to a newborn eldian. If she was, then she allowed the king chip her into pieces and saw her daughters eat her? If she can rewrite her people's dna, that means she can lenthen their lifetime or make them invulnerable or immortal? Can she provide them with armor appearing out of their bodies or weapon out of the air? Or stop them from turning into titans? About the paths... I refuse to talk about how they work. I would take one more paragraph Additionally, whose side is Ymir throughout the story on? On fritz's, who planned to build Eldian empire? Or on Zeke's and Karl's who wished to end this empire's existence and wanted her descendants to die? Or on Eren's who tried to save some of them? Is she with mikasa who stopped eren from doing it? Or is she with the alliance who did everything in their power to to save the rest of humanity on the continent? Or is she on the royal family's side? WHOM does she obey? Or is it just going with the flow of events? If that's the case, then how can she wait for mikasa? But if it's still for witnessing mikasa murdering eren, then why does she listen to zeke when eren enters the paths? By this logic, she should join the mc immediately to see him get killed as soon as possible. What were those scenes with her watching everyone during the rumbling all about? Why does she join eren at first and starts the rumbling with the boy but then helps the alliance to defeat him? Why would she do that to someone who made her moved to tears for the first time after 2000 years of suffering? Who healed her by his words of kindness, who told her she's just a person, not a slave or a god, that she get to decide and choose? Why are we told in the final mikasa saved her if eren already did that? Did she need help two times? If the mc wasn't the one to free her, how could she disobey zeke? Is eren her liberator or pawn? If a liberator, why didn't she tell him what she wanted or write shit on sand, anything? If a pawn, why make a show "at your service, mr zeke" and weep after Eren's speech? Also, what exactly made titans disappear? Eren's death, his refusal to live, mikasa's choice, the fact hallucigenia separated from the mc, the fact fritz saw the kiss? What? Ymir's desire to stop? So you mean to tell me she wanted them to exist? She could refuse making them anytime? Why did she smile at the end of ch 138? Because eren got killed or because the goddess saw the kiss? To think that for more than 100000+- years (if we take into account time in the paths moves slower) she created MILLIONS of titans when shifters transformed and when eldians turned into them (dozens times a day), healed her descendants (once again, dozens times a day), changed or erased their memories, rewrote their dna, made shit from crystals, walked millions of kilometers to build titans, carried many-many pails with water and sand, climbed high to make enormous arms, heads, necks etc... for TWO THOUSAND YEARS she made her children and their children suffer, made the world endure, helped the mc start GENOCIDE, watched millions of people die and kill each other, witnessed her people eat one another and so on just because she COULDN'T MOVE ON FROM HER ABUSER! What else should I say... Either she is the stupidest human being or the most despicable and evil person ever. Either her plotline is retconned, or the author just didn't think it out properly (which is so unlikely). Maybe, just maybe, she was the true villain of the story all along, not a victim as we thought. We were just ignorant to see it or didn't want to notice. TMM, Ymir's character gained the worst conclusion in aot, even worse than eren because we didn't even get to know about her motivation, it remained a mystery because "only she knows...". Her arc was so unresolved and so underdeveloped. What was Isayama even thinking?
Really good points honestly, I unfortunately can’t give you closure either on Ymir’s character as he should have and as u described there are clear holes in her ending and a good amount just not explained. I hear you though at the least
I think that just has to do with the tone shift like I was saying. The ending was overly positive and there wasn’t really any plot twist which I think we’ve been spoiled with. I think our expectations were not only high but just different so people gotta take a step back to understand that it’s really not that bad of an ending.
Somber and bittersweet , but a good and fairly realistic ending nonetheless. Eren fulfilled his prophecy through it all as his friends died of old age, in that way couldn’t have asked for better
tbh, I would be more surprised if the remaining countries did not unite against the race that carried out the massacre in the future. personal opinions. though Paradis survived, it was eventually controlled by the Yeagerists, and followed the same path as Marley. From the destruction of Paradis at the end and the expressions of Sasha's family when Historia spoke, it can be seen that isayama may had a sarcastic attitude towards the ending of Paradis. Because they failed to 'get out of the forest'. I think what Isayama tryin to say is that the war cannot end unless people get out of the forest, but judging from the ending, he probably also has a negative attitude towards whether humans CAN accurcally get out of the forest.
I swear everyone thinks every story needs to have a good ending. Look how Spider-Man no way home come out, it was a sad way to end the movie but they still enjoyed it and the same thing with other anime’s and some of them have a worse ending than AoT
Exactlyyyy people need to understand not every ending will be positive, I know it helps when it is and it’s more closure but that’s just not how it works. People need to Just appreciate aot as a whole regardless
i do have a theory for the show, so in the end when all hell broke loose on paradis island (could be the name of it in the near future) when eren died and got burried that some of the founding titan was stuck in his head, and so when the tree he was burried by didnt get destroyed because of when the war on (as i said earlier could be paradis island) paradis island the tree didnt get destroyed along side erens head (with some of the founding titan possibly) grew to become a massive tree and had a hole the exact same shape as the one ymir fritz fell into when she was injured, and this could possibly be another manga/show in the next few years possibly if the creator decides to make a manga based of a completely diffrent type of scene and world view or the show.
My only way to interpret that is that happened out of traumatic affect. It’s a real thing and I think there’s a name for it, it’s common in abusive relationships where the victim “loves” the abuser. It’s fucked up but it happens, like “Stockholm syndrome” is the name I think
@@AntiKash Stockholm syndrome is a a contested illness many psychologists don't believe it even exists and it is even recognised by the American diagnostic and statistical Manuel of mental disorders. Also there are no positive interaction between Ymir and king Fritz in the story to justify Ymir loving the king. Using a contested illness caused by abuse is not a strong argument. I think Isayama wrote this reveal to parrell Ymir to Mikasa which was a decision which flopped hella hard.
Thank you for this journey. I’m still speechless that it’s over after all this time. Beautifully edited video👌 I look forward to re watching it all one day when I’m older
Thank you so much!❤️❤️❤️❤️ i can’t wait to come back to it in the future as well, it has been one hell of a journey and I cannot believe it’s actually over, but I am also more grateful than ever that it really exists
I’m saying bro, I genuinely don’t understand what the manga readers were on, I know the anime made some adjustments but was overall the same and shit was peak idc
@@pro7gamer the way I took it is he described that he “had no choice” but in reality he changed some things like sending the titans away from bertoldt so he had the ability to change things but didn’t because he was a slave to destiny🤷♂️
I have the same issue with the animie as I did with the manga, the stupid end credit where Paridis is getting obliterated. All the sacrifice in the end was kinda meaningless. They dialed tensions up to 11 and hot potatoes the problem to the next generation. Nothing was solved, only delayed. Other than that, I thought it was great both in the manga and the animie.
@@GIVEUPYOURMILK I feel that as I was saying that in my vid, but the only thing I will admit is isayama is basically saying war is inevitable and people are hopeless. Even as much as eren did it will still always go back to that, which I mean I don’t agree with but is a perspective at the end of the day
It’s not confusing it’s just stupid. The ending was fine the way it was, but the end credits is like a complete slap in the face. It wants to hammer it home that “war is pointless and stupid” well yes we know, we’ve seen many shows and movies to tell us that, yet to hammer that in on a finale after every story is wrapped up is completely unnecessary. I get it’s a cycle, but there are better ways to get around the “and everyone died” angle that’s common especially in anime.
I do agree the cycle of war was not the direction I liked it to go in, but it also is an angle at the end of the day. I’m not gonna get stuck on that tbh because it just means isayama has a pessimistic view on the future of humanity and shit with the wars going on today I can’t blame em 🤷♂️
@@AntiKashI honestly think it represents the cycle of repeating history. Like the titans are gonna exist again because the boy and the dog. The tree foreshadows or references the tree of Ymir.
I'm suprised people are suprised about the way Eren acted, season 4 pretty much showed him break down. Such as when Sasha died, or when he was crying to that kid because he was about to commit mass genocide. I feel like Eren is the type of character you either understand or don't understand. There's so much interesting physcology going on with him that I think is really well developed, but takes some extra viewing sometimes to understand
Yea people got so attached to the inhumane part of eren, because it’s cool which yea I mean genocidal part aside 💀 but they forget the amount of his psyche that has been affected and through all of this he is still human
honestly what’s fucked me up the most are the credits scenes. seeing the cycle of violence continue on that massive time scale is so overwhelming a thought. can’t stop thinking about it
@AntiKash Eren wasn't trying to stop all wars for the rest of time. That would've been silly. We saw that there was a crazy long era of peace for Paradis, by the time of that war, Eren and his friends would be ancient history.
@@dmaxwell910901 makes sense! I was just overwhelmed going from focusing on the timescale of these characters’ lives (mostly) to seeing hundreds or thousands of years of history play out in the background of the credits in a matter of minutes. this isn’t a criticism of any of it btw - just reeling in the enormity of history and perpetuation of violence
@@dmaxwell910901 true I mean planned or not his plan emphasized the stopping of hatred and violence and it did do just that for a very long time but sadly not forever, which is pretty realistic
4:20 you were saying they you were suprised why so many survived?? Thats the whole point eren didnt want anyone of his friends to die, he even regrets to shasha and hange being dead. If more people die than eren would kill 80% people for nothing. He wanted his friends to live longer lives.
That’s true and I agree with that but also it’s just the likeliness of one of them dying even in like Annie or Reiner, I don’t think they count as erens friend, someone should’ve died imo against the op eren and Ymir
@@AntiKash bro reiner dying would make the meme dead, and annie dying would make armin sad, which is his friend lol. That's why I think isayama didn't killed them. Jokes aside, if he cared that much about shasha who he doesn't even know much about, it makes sense that he even cared about reiner. I agree that annie isn't his friend but her dying won't do much to me actually plus armin loves her so I don't think there's any point in killing her. The ending was perfect lol I don't see any flaws actually. Prove me wrong.
@@Isirsizitsitreed NOT THE MEME 😭😭😭 but yea I actually agree with u, I think it’s just surprising to finally see people live lol but it does make sense and is basically the only reason eren did all of it for his friends like u said
Actually thats how eren copes is through laughing like at the ending of season 2 right before he used the founding titans powers for the first time he started to laugh because of how helpless he is
Personally after reading the manga and watching the anime, i still can't bring myself to like the ending since theres a lot i do not agree as many of the playoffs in the ending aren't really that good tbh. And no i don't care about eren breaking down, i care about the reason he's doing it. However, this is still in my top 10s and I'm glad i was able to get into it. Cheers Isayama.
Fair enough, Its opinions at the end of the day so of course I may like it and you don’t, but we both appreciate the overall story and that’s what it’s abojt
My biggest problem is if Isayama wants to make Eren cry, at least let him cry in a little boy form. That will show Eren's vulnerable side without character assassination
It may seems better but vulnerable dont only apply for kids, adults can break down and cry too especially it's the end of their time or someone else time, so make more sense to be the real adult him doing the crying
Nah, it proves that the whole time he had to put his real feelings aside and how crazy it drove him. It was all a facade, like he said. He was some idiot who was given power. That vulnerable moment is who he was the whole time, the dude cries almost every episode in the early seasons. It’s who Eren is
They actually made the breakdown way better than the manga. “You became a mass murderer for our sake” is still garbage writing. See you in hell was way better.
I think people’s main issue with the ending is the forced romance. Romantic love was NEVER a core theme of Attack On Titan. So suddenly making it a key part of the ending was a huge mistake. Eren’s romantic feelings for Mikasa come out of nowhere and were not set up well in previous seasons. Moreover, him crying and whining about Mikasa finding another man is extremely out of character for him. It is also unnecessary and makes the character look needlessly pathetic. The heavy implication that Eren would have never started the rumbling if Mikasa confessed her feelings to him is also VERY out of character. In addition, Ymir’s reason for choosing Mikasa makes no sense. Mikasa is not a slave like Ymir was and chooses to love Eren out of her own free will. Eren and Mikasa’s relationship is also not abusive like that of Ymir and Fritz. Ymir testing Mikasa to see if she would kill Eren or not actual casts Ymir in a rather villainous light. She is purposely attempting to ruin Mikasa and Eren’s relationship just so that she can move on from Fritz. However, the story acts as if she is right for wanting trying to force Mikasa to kill him and enslaving Eren to her will. Attack On Titan was NEVER a story about romance and Isayama is not good at writing romance. Deciding to base the entire ending around a poorly written, convoluted love story between Eren, Mikasa, and Ymir is a glaring flaw. That being said, I did actually enjoy the ending for the most part. Eren’s transformation from naive hero to vicious war criminal was handled masterfully, the fight scenes were incredibly breathtaking, and they managed to give Mikasa believable motivations for killing Eren despite her still loving him unconditionally. I just wish the ending didn’t try so hard to change Attack On Titan into a love story when that was never what it was about.
Ok so this is an argument I can definitely agree with, eren never really talked about romance ever too. So it was a bit hard to see it from his perspective but then again it’s not super un believable because he missed out on most childhood chances like having a relationship with mikasa. But yea I see what you mean it was never really a big theme in the show before now, but overall the ending was pretty good.
actually don't know, tbh I could see how much eren cared for Mikasa in the beginning, he was just very roundabout about it, the moment where Mikasa almost kisses Eren when they were about to be crushed by that titan i feel like that was a moment of contemplation for him, I don't know to me that always seemed clear to me. There's very subtle hints that Eren drops but i mean yeahhh.. it isn't obvious obivous, so i get it
@@somerandomskywalker9854 He cared about her in a familial way. It is NEVER clearly implied that he had romantic feelings for her. He literally denies most of her advances. Him crying and simping for a woman he almost never showed romantic interest in felt very out of character for me
I think the controversy boils down to a mix of people idolizing Eren and the manga's ending feeling very rushed. The scene where Armin and Eren talk was brought up a lot in arguments surrounding the ending, especially by people throwing around claims that the series was pro facist. Armin's original reactions during the scene felt completely out of place both tonally and thematically, and the additions in the anime did a lot to make the scene both more impactful and coherent with the rest of the story. People who thought that Eren was in the right were also angry that he was depicted as being childish, which is odd because his behavior in the show is 100% consistent with how Isayama has always depicted the character. The fact that some people enterperated the rumbling as being a justifiable and necessary evil is just sickening, especially given how much effort went into depicting the scope of and visceral horror inflicted by Eren's genocidal rampage. The other additions in the anime also made the final battle feel so much more fleshed out, which made for a more engaging sendoff to aot's incredible action scenes. Whether they got caught up in internet discorse about the politics of the story or were just underwhelmed by the rushed quality of the manga's ending, I hope we can get more people to give it another shot with the show's finale because, even though it doesn't make any major changes to the plot, it really is a much more satisfying ending to what has been one of if not the most influential series to come out of japan in the last decade.
Yup I heard a lot from these comments and I cannot believe isayama thought armin telling eren “thanks for a genocide” was a good idea 😭 but exactly what you said about people, isayama writing was so good it convinced people genocides were arguable, and that eren wasn’t an insane broken kid at the end of the day. People were convinced he was just a badass. The ending just showed the effects of all he had been through and was pretty positive (before the nukes) which I think people just weren’t ready for
didn't read the manga only watched the final episode of the show 2 they didn't even bother to explain Ymir's character intentions and motivations We don't even know how Mikasa helped Ymir 3 the most ridiculous time paradox of all time So let me try to understand Eren's mother died and bertolt survived which led to Eren becoming who he was at the end of the show and seeing the future Then Eren decided to save bertolt and kill his mother because he saw the future and past So essentially Eren killed his mother because he saw the future and saw the future because he killed his mother WHAT THE FUCK 4 Eren's romantic attachment to Mikasa came out of nowhere and was never hinted at all throughout the series it was obvious there relationship was one-sided eren always viewd her only as a sister unlike Mikasa Changing the dynamic completely in the final episode felt so abrupt and frankly quite lazy 5 are we really going to accept that eren's solution was somehow the best solution You can see billions and billions of possibilities and you chose that Why didn't he use the rumbling to play some coldwar You know the Soviets have nukes the us has nukes but nobody wants to use them It would have been even better because in this case only one side has the nukes and thus can dictate the terms of engagement ie eren It would have been a good plan Why didn't he choose that 6 the last comment about wanting to kill everyone was very unnecessary and a bit confusing It feels like the writer tried to say something and accidentally exposed himself as a phycopath
Some great points brought up hence why I mentioned the weeb commanders video who had some of the same issues. The only answer I could say to 2 of those is Ymir’s intentions was basically just pure hatred that eren used against her to cause the rumbling and her intentions in creating titans for generations to come was because she “loved” king ymir likely out of Stockholm syndrome because she was insanely abused but nonetheless that was that reasoning. As for how mikasa changed her it was that scene where she kissed erens head ymir saw that you can kill the one you may love if it’s for the best, and still love them, parallel to ymir still making titans for Fritz which she can stop doing even if she “loves” him
@@AntiKash1Just saw the video it was full of good points especially the one about how Zeke and Armin escaped "the paths" I remember being bothered about it as well 2 this is not an answer I will explain by asking a question What did eren's meeting with Ymir mean to her I thought that he made her free And was finally able to see things clearly and was no longer a slave for the Royal family ruclips.net/video/L_decDjNuuQ/видео.htmlsi=QoGCpi20JkTU1kxz If Mikasa helped Ymir to get over king fritz Then what was the point of the scene in the last season
I dont think the ending was bad at all… like no where near i completely understand WHY it happened like this. Idk what mfs wanted fr. Like i just cannot understand yall 😭😭 did mfs want Eren to kill the friends he wanted to live long lives ? And even him saying he thought he did it to protect them but he really wanted to do it himself was COMPLETELY understandable. He was CONFLICTED, clearly. Thats what hes been with all of this dont look at it like an anime for a second put yourself in his 19y/o shoes becoming aware of the past future and present all in an instant do you think you would have all the answers? Someone just explain to me what they wanted to see.
That part confused me I’m not even gonna lie but I couldn’t bring it up because I’ve seen arguments against it and I’d rather just not get into it. But “the weeb commander” brought that up in his video too and yea I just don’t really get it
For me people were swicthing sides, and killing anything that moves and changing their objectives way too much to keep up. Like name one person who ended up happy and got what they wanted?
I mean eren technically achieved his goal of peace and the main cast that survived ended up living happy full lives, there was momentary peace even tho it didnt have the most positive ending, it made sense
Thank you guys for 1000 subs!! working on a sort of special for that but of course I had to get this AOT video out asap, loved the finale no matter what people are saying, Cheers to everyone involved in the making of AOT for 10 years of peak fiction.
@@AntiKash AoT left me with a shit taste in my mouth because of the nonsensical revelations that Eldians are Jews and Marleys are Nazis. That plot twist is fucking garbage. Isayama is really pro-imperialist, pro-fascist, pro-ultranationalist, and pro-Zionist. It's kind of funny that he represents Marley as the old oppressors, which are the Nazis, and the Eldians as the new oppressors, which represent the Zionist Jews. On the Marley side, they have the infamous Eldian concentration camp, which bears an uncanny resemblance to the Nazis' Jewish concentration camp during the Holocaust. On the Edian side, they have Eren's religious ultranationalistic cult called Yeagerist, for which they have a prejudicial agenda against non-Eldian races that bears resemblance to Zionist Jews' agenda in wiping out all of the Palestinians in their "land". For example, there was a time when Erens' rumbling stomped out all of the Muslim and African nations just for the sake of his ultranationalistic pride.
Manga people are upset that Anime people liked it and they made videos about its legacy just like Weeb in command talking about it will be a nightmare.
5:20 during the toba catastrophe, human population fell to 10000-10000 and we still have wars so i guess no reason to trust humanity😔 And I'm guessing that these new wars started thousands of years after eren's death so his story would hardly be a myth by that time
Man this was the second anime I've ever watched in my life and I really liked the ending but I strobgly agree with all of what you have said it's morally and quistionablly very confusing and I just wanna know if eren is going to heaven or hell now😂😂 I'm very happy I was able to share this journey with you all this is a very dear show to me and to all of us and man I CAN NOT BELIEVE it has been 6 years since I watcjed that first episode thank you all for this beuatiful journey and thank you Aot❤
some people get the ending but why you not? maybe because you expect something cheerful or etc. but this is aot . you don't get it thats mean you miss something
Controversy is because people believed that Eren should of just Genocided cause Paradis got nuked in the end for the manga. Also it had some very questionable dialogue like Armin thanking Eren for genociding the world for them. Instead in the anime, Armin puts himself with equal blame to the genocide and agrees that both of them belong in hell. The anime showed that Paradis got nuked in the far far far future while in the manga it seems like only a few decades after the incident. Overall I personally only hated the dialogue of the manga's ending. Everything else was good and people thinking Eren's personality changed are either delusional or trying to self insert(literally me Meme) themselves with "gigachad" Eren. Another nit pick people have was that people are upset that Annie was free from any repercussion for her actions against Levi squad which honestly for me makes no sense for. Like yeah i understand that squad levi meant alot to Levi but it's literally war. The beef between them(Marley/Scouting Legion) was already settle during the camp site episode.
Perfectly described, i clearly didn’t read the manga so I wasn’t aware of those specific differences although I have heard the point about the dialogue and I’m so glad they changed it in the anime. And you disproved all points said in ur comment so thank you for that
Am i the only one who disappoint with anime ending? I prefer manga ending... Idk man action was good and stuff but i hate they fixed ending like that...... To me AOT doesnt have right or wrong, it just have different perspectives and that is the reason why i liked AOT. However i feel like adjusted scenes just gave me a vibe like that eren is the only person who is wrong..... That adjusting whole conversation between EREN and Armin.... Like i was expecting to fix that thank you for massacre part but i was not expecting that they are gonna change whole narratives. Eren only choose Rumbling because Marley or outside world wanted extinction of Eldia or pardadis. He tried diplomatic and peaceful way but it didnt work. I am not saying marley is wrong bc eldia is the one who started all this bloodbath history. They just have different PERSPECTIVES. There is no right or wrong. However, they cut all of this thing and just looked like eren is the wrong guy here by adhusting that scene between Eren and Armin..... I really hated that they made Eren is the only one who is wrongdoing..... even if outside world wanted the masscare of paradise or eldian also. Idk...
I see your point but I think they only wanted to emphasize erens inner conflict. I think it says enough for us as viewers support eren even to the point where he’s killing so many people, simply because we understand everything that he’s been through, so it may seem like he’s the bad guy but they don’t have to say he’s not since we already understand him to an extent.
I agree that shit pissed me off a lil at first, but eren also has no control over wars that happen thousands of years later, isayama basically just saying that there’s no hope for human society. Bro needs a hug
Wake up to reality. That's how life is. Was stopping WW2 for nothing? There were wars centuries ago and we don't even know what they were about, yet they ended and we're here still waging wars. was it all for nothing? You think if Eldians were extinct, the rest of the world would have nothing to fight about? It was shown in in the opening of S4 how Marlyans were fighting some other nation just because they could. You need to grow up and look at the world.
Eren had meltdowns throughout the series was he really a perfectly badass character? I would disagree. Throughout the series he had to rely on his frnds he lost to his enemy so many times he couldn’t transform in many important situations as a result he had to see his frnds and comrades die. It's only from on season 4 he did all he had to do. Even after that sasha's death definitely hurt him terribly but he was holding himself just for the things were to come in future. He broke down before that boy who he would crush eventually, crying and asking for hos forgiveness. Breaking down of eren was not sudden at all
Not that it was sudden at all, it was just the type of breakdown, eren never showed hints at loving mikasa but at the same time there wasn’t really a chance for him to do so and he also wanted to protect her so I get that. But I think it’s understandable to at least see how people were thrown off, every time eren broke down previously it was during an extremely serious moment and this one was about his love life, still fair just understandable why people were a bit thrown off
FACTUAL, people might not agree with it but there’s a difference between disagreeing and not understanding. I think most people just don’t understand at the moment.
Yea the tone definitely shifted and I don’t think it makes it bad, it just could’ve been fleshed out a lil more before fully changing but nonetheless love the show as a whole
Tbh eren is suffering because of the powers and mental mess got But he is happy Cuz this is what he wanted Evertything went exactly as planned Eren His friends live the happiest lives they could Him surviving was never a possibility He was going to die due to the curse Eren aint no loser he is a genuis A suffering genius Even in the moments of death he wasnt scared but relaxed Cuz he knew everything gets fixed now He has mentioned it in last 3 episodes That everything happens as he willed it But still fans callin him loser cuz he shed tears for his crush Shame on these people
Yea I completely agree with you, eren was just a broken kid at the end of the day, who had way too much power before he had a chance to even grow up. People just got stuck on the fact that he was a badass, and can’t believe he was actually just human the whole time
My man lemme clear It was officially announced that the destruction of paradi is set 2000 years later So thats a lot of time for people to destroy paradi
Its not because character assassination. Its bacause its rushed. Fealth like cutted version. People had to watch explanations videos to understand it. Its stupid. To call it peak is a bs and thats what made half of fans even more angrier. Its average 6/10. Belive me praising is 10x more fake than genuine criticism. Time to open the eyes.
Don’t know what explanations people needed, it was rushed sure, but made sense. I gave the genuine criticism plus mentioned a video that only criticized it, in no way was it perfect. But it’s easy to overlook the negatives and most of them were just creative choices, the ending was objectively good just not for everyone.
@@AntiKash absolutely! The manga ending remains the Achilles heal for this series, unfortunately, and I feel this was reflected in the finale. Messy and scatterbrained. Nonetheless, it's been fun working out all the theories and easter egg moments. There was definitely room for improvement, in terms of using elements from the manga, and the overall plot. I admit, I even zoned out a bit.🫤 And, questions still remain. It goes back to one of the running themes, 'was there any other way?' Which is pretty fascinating when you think about it. On that note, I look forward to reading alternate endings from the fanbase. Again, thanks for sharing! 🥰🥰🥰
The way that I see it, some people became so focus with Eren the Devil of Paradis Island that they completly forgot that the devil was just a heavily traumatized human. It reminds me of Erwin and how Floch completly disregarded any notion that he was human or deserved any human compassion during Midnight Sun, all because he wanted to see that devil so bad.
And I think a lot of people have that same mentality as Floch. They wanted to see the ideal version of the Devil and Eren's humanity was the painful reminder that he wasn't that ultimate ideology (even thought he's still a Devil and monster for killing most of humanity). He still has other dreams and wishes he can't let go of and still cares about the people he loves in some fucked-up, questionable way. That Eren couldn't, or maybe didn't want to, get rid of that part of himself fully.
And in a way, I am pretty okay with that breakdown. It happened in front of our eyes but within the universe (as far as I can tell), it was just in front of Armin, who was his best friend and the person who probably understood him the most. He let himself show that humanity he has hidden from us for most of S4.
To Paradis Island, Eren died a true Devil with no humanity.
Now, Eren is a slave to freedom and I always wondered if he was a slave to his own fate too. When Eren saw the memories of the future, was he really doing his own free will or was he doing what he thought future him wanted him to? Eren moved swiftly from S1-S3 because he didn't have that guide, so his choices were his own because he was free of those memories. When he got his memories, did he lose that freedom of free will?
Anyways, sorry for the rambling.
This deserves The pin of spittin facts
eren being a "slave" to freedom is an odd choice of words that kind of confuses his character arc. eren was only a "slave" to freedom in the sense that he was always going to do what made him the most free even if he had other options but at the end of the day that still would make him ultimately free and not really a slave to anything but his own nature.
also when it comes to his choices throughout the series i'd argue he was never really free until he activated the rumbling since he was always being influenced towards him activating the rumbling and becoming the eren we see in the final episode by that very same future eren.
@@Tupadre97see he was a slave to freedom. Everything he did was to start the rumbling. Every action and things he did was to end humanity to be free but at the end of the day we could have change to not do the rumbling but still did it
@@timetellnolies9425 he could have done things differently but it wouldn't lead to the outcome he wanted. the outcome he wanted the most was the outcome we got.
@@Tupadre97exactly
For those who say that eren's breakdown ruined the entire show, let me just say...The way I see it if you think that this ending is awful and ruins AOT, then you dont get the point of the show
Eren. Never. Changed. Not truly anyway. Thats kinda the tragic flaw of his character. His brashness to rush in to the fight to protect his friends is ultimately exemplified in the rumbling. Sure it was destined and he couldnt change it when he saw it, but there is a reason that it was the destined outcome in the first place right?
All in all, eren has always been an emotional person, and has always been willing to act on those emotions. If you thought he had truly turned into this emotionless badass, then you fell for his act. You got tricked, and thats okay, because so did I. For him to have stayed distant and heartless wouldnt have fit at all in the end.
Thank you Isayama, for being willing to tell such an insanely intellegent story that was never afraid to make us ask the hard questions, or feel such raw emotion
FFS. Just reading through this made me feel a disgusting stench.
Isayama truly trained his audience well, to the point of them pretending that meaningless, contradicting ending that ruins the rest of the story, is actually an ending of something "intelligent".
Nobody gives much sh!t about Eren's breakdown. It's just a noticeable cherry on top, a meme material. Him being a dumbass was obvious from the start - he never displayed sagacity or intelligence before so suddenly making him a calculating mastermind would make even less sense. Only thing it does is exposing that Eren fans have been wearing clownpants this entire time.
The problem is what he still does while being a dumbass. And that the rest of the main characters are no better.
AoT turned out to be a story about characters throwing childish tantrums which ultimately lead to nowhere. While making the story impossible to take seriously.
"I wish I was never born" from Zeke is a prime example. This idea is nonsensical, it doesn't make you ask any "hard" questions because the answer is THAT obvious.
Or Mikasa having a single Eren-focused brain cell for the entire story, to the point you can almost see Isayama's hand cutting off any ways of a meaningful development for her. She even gets buried with that stupid scarf on 😂
Or Ymir being an empty plot device made in attempt to keep the crumbling story together. Loving the one who beat her up, raped and fed her corpse to her own children.
These are no characters, these are narrowed, overexaggerated tropes. They're not behaving like human beings and they don't make story look grounded, realistic or intelligent - just comical.
AoT is a story that in the end only wastes time and fails to deliver any concrete ideas other than childish "cycle of hatred" one. No character struggles and efforts mean anything - everything is predetermined... except that cycle could've been broken, at least for eldians and Eren's friends, but Eren just did the exact opposite by continuing it.
EXCEPT that cycle actually breaks but only for plot convenience. Such as marleyans suddenly refusing to shoot remaining eldians who lost titan powers. Same marleyans who hate eldians on ideological level and now have a concrete reason and chance to finish them off but don't use that chance because luckily, a wild white-haired idealistic officer appears.
There's a ton of fiction pieces that concey "Humanity never changes" idea in a much shorter time, more meaningful and much less pretentious way than AoT tries to do.
Why bro have to say disgusting stench 😭 there’s good points in both of these comments but the negative one bro “no characters, narrowed over exaggerated tropes” have you seen the evolution of eren over time fam, from a normal kid to having his entire life told to him in one moment. Also Ymir is a victim, there’s psychology about victims “loving” their abuser it’s common in abusive relationships and why they stay with them. I agree with u tho the cycle of hatred wasn’t my favorite direction to go in but overall the show is not as bad as ur making it seem, objectively.
How to save this comments?, i wanna see the long debate over the whole opinion, especially disgusting stench bro 😁
Must be fun to read 😁👍
Please refrain from saying stuff such as "they didnt understand the story". It's perfectly possible to understand the story and not like certain aspects of it. From the discussions I've read, most people don't complain about Eren being emotional. For example, I don't know of anyone who doesn't like Eren's breakdown when he apologizes to Ramzi in the start of the first special.
I think the problem that many see with this scene is about him crying over Mikasa, mainly for two reasons:
1) if Eren should be crying about anything, it should be focused on the billions of people he's killing and will kill.
2) the Eren-Mikasa ship has not been developed properly. If Eren truly loved Mikasa all this time, he should have told her much earlier, given how obvious it is that Mikasa loves him (and her straight up confessing when Dina is about to eat them). It's almost always been one-sided from Mikasa's side, with Eren often telling her she's not his mom and to stop and to stop being so overprotective. Imo, Eren has always thought of Mikasa as a "big sister". Ofc he loves her, but not in a romantic way. I think Isayama also said something similar in an interview many years ago.
In addition, the scene and dialog was very memeable, especially the manga panel.
@@Prushinthespirit I know this reply is probably going to be wasted on someone who clearly has an avid hate for the show, especially considering you clicked on this video and just wanted to spread hate, but I can at least try and defend the characters and writing
If you think that Zeke's whole character arc about not wanting to be alive anymore is surface level, then I'm honestly surprised you even had the brain power to be able to respond to my comment. Yes, the idea can seem nonsensical to some, but for others Zeke's position is a very real thing for them. That entire part of the show was to make you ask "what then is the point to living?", which is ultimately brought to light in Zeke's and Armin's conversation in the finale.
While Mikasa's one minded track about Eren could definitely be over the top and annoying in some parts, the fact she was the one to deal the final blow absolutely shows that Eren is not her entire personality. If someone came along and not only saved my life, but also taught me how to continue living, I'd want to follow that person too
People have already mentioned the Ymir thing, and yes it absolutely can be a real thing. It's called Stockholm syndrome. Perhaps you should inform yourself about it before absolutely insulting a very real issue
So sure, some characters make dumb decisions sometimes. But wouldn't it be super boring if every character made the perfect decision in every circumstance? You claim that these characters don't feel human, and yet making mistakes and learning from them is fundamental to being human.
The cycle of hatred (which you seem intent on continuing with your harsh words) is not the only theme in the show by a landslide. Armin's character growth of recognizing your own self worth and believing in yourself, Jean's ideal of going past your own selfish ambitions to genuinely make a difference before he has to see more of the bones of his comrades, the theme of being your own true self rather than fitting others expectations that are exemplified in Historia and jaw titan Ymir, the idea of being a "slave" to some sort of person or ideal, these are just to name a few out of many other themes present within the show, so don't get caught up on just one of them just because you may not like it as much
You are entitled to your own opinion, and I'm always willing to hear out and respect others' opinions to help grow my own understanding of the show. But when you actively insult those of us who would rather see the positive than loom on the negative, that's the part I'm not okay with. THAT is a truly disgusting stench
Ymir curse lifted, there is no titan anymore. That worm converts desires into reality, ymir desired for something stronger, larger & undying body. That kid at the end doesn't seems like he desires something like that. He will get new type of power.
makes sense, could be something really op, or we may never know... unless theres a sequel.
I don’t hate ending the thing I hate is why there is so many unanswered questions like what happens to mikasa and Amrin and other characters how they lived after!?
I think they showed them aging and that was all that we really needed to know, they showed mikasa visiting erens grave with likely jean and her own family, we also saw armin visiting the grave. Erens entire plan was just so his friends could die of old age and that’s exactly what happened
Tbh everyone told me the manga ending was hot garbage and ruined the show and they likened it to GOT ending. And I finished the episode going like “it was fine.” Like I loved that first hour so much that the “meh” last 20 minutes didn’t ruin the show or whatever for me. I think the fans really blew up how “bad” the ending was
FRRRRR, like I was going into this expecting some hot garbage, this was NOTHING like GOT in the slightest yet people swore it was. There were little things but overall this gave me the closure I needed after 10 years of this peak fiction
@@AntiKash agreed. It wasn’t perfect there were a good amount of issues by the end but I mean… idk the scene with zeke and armin and all the action scenes e like really highlighted some amazing dialogue and direction.
Granted this wasn’t perfect either. The entire ymir rewrite was dumb tbh (she did it for love…. Lol) and having a huge focus on mikasa and erens romance at the end felt left field. But like the main message that erens actions didn’t actually do good was great. Some people really wanted eren to make people not be racist but like… LMAO that would have been such a dumb ending if everyone just loved the eldians all of a sudden
@@petritkolai dont think the romance was out of left field. In every season we see mikasa crushing hard and in the last 3 episode it’s all about if she would be able to kill him despite her love for him. It ties very well with ymir’s twisted love story and the end of the titans. Edit: i wouldnt call it a rewrite of ymir’s character either, we saw her looking at the king’s women with something you could call envy (that’s my thought on it at least). A reveal that changed everything, she was not a slave to him but only to her feelings, the opposite of mikasa.
I think you have to put in perspective that the manga readers had to wait months for each chapter. So they got all invested in the ending as it was approaching so even if it was a meh ending it seemed so much worse for them after all that investment.
@@williamfrank962 I agree and again I'm anime only and maybe the manga did a worse job in showcasing the ending. But the anime ending itself honestly was decent. A solid 7/10 for me
I hate the argument "Eren doesn't want Mikasa to move on." Of course he doesn't! The guy went through years of hell and what's coming next is even worse and will result in his death. Him cracking down, only this once, and speaking his mind to his best friend only makes his character better and more realistic in my eyes. And the fact that he immediately follows by saying "Don't tell her, though" shows that even in the moment when he lets himself be weak, be just a regular human being, he still has the armoured titan's resolve and the colossal titan's balls.
The colossal titans balls 💀💀 yes tho like u said people couldn’t handle this man just being himself for a couple of seconds, isayama wrote eren too well that people forgot he’s human
@@AntiKashYes, Kill 80% of humans and then proceed to cry about your own suffering.............Dogshit ending.......
And didn't mentioned that he will carry the burden? Or he will fight...........
@@vaishnavihoge5621 yea I mean he’s not a good person, people want eren to be someone with resolve and a anti hero but he’s literally a broken, extremely fucked up person and the finale just emphasized that
This is a great analysis. Thanks for appreciating the journey that is AoT as well. I enjoyed the ending personally. I will never forget this show and the amount of growth and character development exhibited from episode 1. We go from Eren's innocence to his downfall and it's truly heartbreaking but poetic how the one who loved him most broke the chain. Eren is just super tragic and it's crazy how he endured his mom's death, Hannes' death, Sasha's death, Hange's death, and every other comrade he fought with in the scout regiment. Thankful that everyone's character came full circle and their arcs were closed out properly. You had Zeke, Annie, Reiner, Pieck, Falco, Gabi, Jean, Conny, Armin, Mikasa, and Levi all get their way in the end. Sad to see how history just repeats itself though too.
Ayy thank you and Exactly what you said, the amount of depth each character had is so wild to me especially considering most shows will go as far as 2-3 characters who really shine. It has been an amazing journey and I’m glad you enjoyed it as well
Let’s not forget that this is the first manga that he has ever written which is wild😂
Factsssss bro he even said he never expected it to succeed, the fact that he’s here is so wild in itself
Depends on perspective, some people see the ending as a hopeless future but I see it as a message Isayama trying to tell us. If we forget the lesson and keep pushing each other into hell, then history would repeat itself.
Sometime conflicts could occur in the scale within a family, it doesn't need to be 20% of the population to create conflicts, to start a war. It can simply start of by two brothers having conflict and fight for two different ideal. It can be as simple as a parent starting to force their believe on their son and ignore their child mental and later created an adult who believe every life is pointless. Or even just friends having disagreement on the solution. The point is, conflict is hard to avoid, but we can start preventing it by being empathy to each other even if we have different opinions cuz we learned how it feels to be hurt by someone else. However, there is limitation of what we can do for our future generations. Whether it is a hopeful future or a hopeless future, things move on.
That’s a beautiful way to look at it. I’m sure that’s actually what he meant too, I took it as the negative side off of image alone but there really is the positive side of it that you described
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for so many years I've been despise and hate the ending of manga up until now I've come to appreciate the way the story ends surprisingly. Its very realistic how war eventually starts over again. Its neither good or bad ending but morely very realistic one. I never really accepted this ending once I've read in the manga but watching the anime, im glad they improve on eren and armin last conversation as well as other things because that really made the ending feels organic and acceptable even though all that genocide and massacre are meaningless in the end, having eren and some people knows that really shows how depressing and wide the world is but are written beautifully and impactful. Maybe the manga felt more rushed but the anime just feels right. But honestly im actually satisfied. Well done Mappa and isayama. Its been a great journey
Yes i could not be more glad to hear that, I’ve been updated on the changes made to the armin and Eren conversation and I’m so glad they did, and now I get more why the manga readers were pissed cus I would be too. But anime wise it was truly done right and like you said all I have left to say is truly thank you isayama
I think the message of the show is even though war repeats itself there will always be hope. The kid at the end finding eren's tree after the wars ended in the future represents humans (the kid) finding Hope (Eren's purpose of stopping wars).
Exactly
It’s up to the kid on how he uses the power
It can be bad like how the story started BUT IT CAN BE GOOD TOO
Titans are just a tool it’s up to humans how we use it
Greattt point there nobody has really brought up, from what I’ve seen at least
Imagine if that child used titans power for creating the eternals
Th ending was flawless it takes critical thinking to understand why it ended the way it did.
SMH 🤦♂
Heres some of the takes about the ending that ending haters like myself have:
- We abandon our main character and his motivation for the entire final arc. He has spent the entire last arc being a plot device. His personality radically changed at the end of the RtS arc, for obvious reasons but in ways that are never made clear. He is clearly compelled to initiate the Rumbling, but also doesn't seem interested in seeing it through, which is a weird stance to take on global genocide. He has, ironically, become a slave to the metaphysical abstract of "Freedom", much like how a Power Rangers villain worships the general idea of "Evil", and it is just never addressed.
\- The plan was apparently "murder 80% of the world, so the Alliance looks like the good guys", but in the next breath we are told that they're just going to take their revenge--"This fight won't end until either the Eldians or the rest of the world are wiped out."
\- The idea that the Alliance looks like the good guys is ridiculous: no one could believe that their victory over the unstoppable Eren was legitimate (which it wasn't, he lets them win), Paradis is still largely Yeagerist, and the battle itself wasn't observable by non-Eldians.
\- On the other hand, killing 80% of the world just to delay war with the other 20%, is also a terrible justification for genocide. Why stop at 80%? Going by early 1900s estimates, Eren will have killed over 1 billion people, leaving 200-500 million against Paradis's meager 1 million. That's like Fiji vs the United States; Paradis does not stand a chance.
\- Also note: It appears the Rumbling destroys everything in its path. This implies that the remaining 20% is largely contiguous--the Rumbling was some 100-mile wide steamroller, not a precision striking surgical attack squad. There's no way for Eren to have specifically disabled the military of the remaining population. That indicates that the remaining humans won't be completely disorganized and lacking the infrastructure needed to mount a counterattack.
\- The politics involved were too complex for Eren to figure out on his own, it seems. So why didn't he get advice from his genius best friend about it? Why did he talk to Floch & Historia? If he's worried that his friends will oppose him, maybe it's because they have a point and he should take their advice. If he can't stop himself anyways, there's not really any reason not to tell them either.
\- This guy, having never expressed an iota of romantic affection for Mikasa, tells us he loves her only after he's dead.
\- Knowing how the Rumbling would turn out, what was the point of all the collateral damage in the Liberio operation? The Liberians are some of the few people to survive the Rumbling, and likely to hold enmity for it. Taking the Warhammer Titan power seems largely wasted.
\- Similarly, we abandon Historia for everything post-Uprising. That arc revolved around putting her in power, and once she's queen she does nothing except get pregnant. The story cuts to her every now and then to remind us she's pregnant, but nothing ever comes of it.
\- In the ideological name of freedom, he has allowed other Eldians to mount a resistance, which is fair. However, when it comes to mounting a defense of the Founding Titan, he barely tries.
\- Dozens of shifters face off against 4 shifters, 2 Ackermans, and a few normies. Eren demonstrates he can create a volley of arrows and rocks in addition to an overwhelming numerical and experience advantage, but the Alliance is still able to put up a fight.
\- He captures Armin, but lets him live and get rescued.
\- He leaves explosives on his neck, to be detonated.
\- He holds Pieck impaled until she regains her composure and starts her attack again (though the timing of this is unclear. Perhaps she was still fighting while the rest were flying around and didn't get impaled until they were on their second approach).
\- Eren hides his head in the Colossal Titan's mouth, unguarded and without even being crystallized. He also doesn't use steam to fend off Mikasa.
\- Now, obviously Eren intending to lose isn't technically a plot hole, but it leads to two big narrative issues:
\- In the end, there is no tension to the big final battle because Eren has apparently already decided on an ending and no amount of effort from the Alliance has any effect on it. The entire final climactic battle is just meaningless spectacle.
\- No one acknowledges that Eren was letting them win.
\- The Progenitor Hallucigenia started this whole thing and we know nothing about it. No one even gives it an in-universe name. We have to refer to it with nicknames.
\- Is it natural? Magical? Is it the devil? Is there another one? Could it create another Founding Titan? Did it choose Ymir or was it an accident? This thing kicked off the entire mythos of the series and we know nothing about it and no one seems to care.
\- Its behavior in the final battle is bizarre.
\- When Eren's head is blown off, Reiner is somehow able to hold off the spine, which decided to stop growing once it reached about 50ft.
\- When his head is blown off, it turns out the spine actually was the progenitor hallucigenia, and now it is somehow alive, disconnected, and independent for the first time in 2000 years. Its objective is apparently to reconnect with Eren's head. However, instead of running toward Eren in the aftermath of the explosion when everyone else is winded, it runs away to gather an army of titans to clear a path.
\- Why was it so important to get to Eren's head when shifters can move their consciousness?
\- It takes its horde of titans and bullrushes Reiner, Annie, and Pieck so it can get back to Eren. Despite the overwhelming force (the titans could just pick everyone up and run forward), they are still able to hold off the spine.
\- Hallu-chan goes away. It just disappears without a trace and no one comments on it. It survived without a host before Ymir, why not now?
\- Ymir's actions are incomprehensible
\- How much of the Rumbling was her and how much was Eren? During the final battle, did she build the Alliance's titans just so they could attack her? Did she have any agency at all besides choosing Eren over Zeke? The whole Ymir-Zeke-Eren love triangle doesn't seem to follow any particular rules.
\- What was her motivation? Love? Love for perpetual abuser, projected onto Mikasa’s obsession? Why is she gone? Because Mikasa kissed Eren? Ymir has had sex (most likely not consensual), but kissing is what placates her? Or was it her killing Eren?
\- It seems that it functions like some kind of a fairy tale, where some single simple action just stops the curse without any real intermediary steps. If Mikasa killing Eren solved it, does that mean Ymir needed Mikasa to show her how to move on past her love? If Ymir was in love with Fritz, why would she want someone to show her an example of moving past it? Was there no one else in 2000 years who could do that? So what did Eren accomplish when he convinced her to oppose the royal bloodline (i.e. Zeke) in 122? And how does this end the Titans? Was she only making titans for the last 2000 years specifically to be slaves to the royal bloodline?
\- Why did Ymir make titans according to human rules? Why did she make titans for the Marleyans, who opposed the royal bloodline? Why was it difficult for a shifter to shift multiple times consecutively? What determined the rules that governed the titans at all?
\- In the end she just goes away, like the worm, without a trace.
\- In the end, nothing is accomplished. The war continues. Eren's genocide was pointless. In fact, it might have just made the remaining peoples hate Paradis more. Again, why would you half-ass a genocide?
Sorry but I ain’t reading all of that
top waffling award goes to you
All that list of paragraphs but still lack media literacy.
@@meepmeep2706I can tell you guys read the words ending haters and turned off your brains kind of like you do for this ending. I wish I had that ability to not only be so lazy that I can't take 5 minutes to read something but to turn the logic part of my brain off and just drool into my chips bag and watch things.
@@jeremiahramirez8915Valid criticisms
Why do ppl dislike his emotional outburst, he was clearly at different stages of who he was during these scenes. Im not gonna lie i didnt even think anything of it other than it showing some of his humanity, obviously a part of us not wanting our lady to move on is a very human and honest thing in that moment. The eren on these scenes is clearly different to the present current time hardened eren
People just can’t handle different versions of eren. They love the badass version of him and probably self insert so seeing him breakdown threw them off. It’s such a stupid reason to hate and hopefully they just think about it for a second and realize they’re in the wrong
Its not that he cried, its the fact he didnt want mikasa to move on which ruins him as an character
@@Uncle-Ruckus. he said literally seconds later that he wants her to find happiness, he just broke character for a moment in a scene that is a wiped memory. It makes sense
Because it's cringe and out of character as well as inappropriate. He's braking down over Mikasa, a bland as fk character whom he barely has any meaningful development with rather than the actual lives he's taken. You want Eren crying with actual meaning and emotion behind it? We did that already with Ramzi and in a significantly more dignified manner. Get that sorry ass mass murdering simp out of here!
@@AntiKash Oh she had her memories tampered with? You mean that thing they established doesn't happen to Ackermans?
2:35 - I liked how you put the Character Assassination thing to rest. I personally didn't like the Cold, Emotionless Eren, it seemed like it was a drastic change and I figured he was hiding something and he was. We found out all his memories were just mush at that point. I think once he unlocked all those memories, he became overwhelmed. He became a slave to his destiny like you said and he was also a slave to his pursuit of freedom. Personally, I love the Irony in that.
Exactly, OVERWHELMED. Literally so many people missed that when he explained himself how time became a mess of a thing😭 dudes a human and got the most pressure possible put on him and then convinced himself he had no choice and that it was all for freedom. Amazing writing and undeserved hate.
Me too. Everyone acts like erens character “fell apart”. What? How?
Eren saying he does not like Mikasa and Armin at all is the biggest character assassination a lot of people fail to see. Him breaking down and tell the truth is character accurate to the finest
yeah people love to forget that eren only existed because he saw SOME of the memories of him activating the rumbling and didn't even fully understand what was going on until he activated it and gained the full power of the founding titan. its only at that point that his character goes back to how he truly always was and is the truest version of himself but people just love to ignore that fact for some reason.
@@Tupadre97 the truest version of himself was him being a simp and crying over his step sister getting railed by another man in the future? 😂for some reason you guys think its stupid that Eren's mood and demeanor changed after he found out he has to destroy 80% of the world, it's called character development, you expect him to be the same happy kid after he knows he has to do that? beginning of s4 Eren had many peaks to him which is why people loved him like how he understood how both sides of the conflict worked in the reiner conversation, he realized that no side is wrong or right and that everyone has their own perspective on why they do the things they do, and then we got ending eren who literally doesn't know why he did the rumbling and his whole explanation of everything was because he was simply an idiot, now compare the two and tell me which one is good writing
I feel this ending kinda commits a sin just like what the fans of Lost wanted. Like it basically gives us a twenty minute presentation of what happened between Eren and Armin instead of showing us and letting us figure it out.
The ending is so blatantly obvious it is why it is confusing, as all of aot has been pretty much given up to interpretation.
The whole war scene is like hundreds if not a thousand years in the future. I think the point is that war and conflict will always come up again.
Yea it’s a pretty fair way to end it, It’s just unfortunate to see but again I can’t blame him especially considering the amount of battles we have modern day
I’m a bit confused as to how Erin became a colossal titan. How is he still using the founding power with Zeke dead and the worm being held back?
Yup the weeb commander brought that up, that’s one I don’t really get either 😭 just gonna ignore it for now….😭
i heard somebody said it was bc of Ymir or something
@@AntiKashwhy did the rumbling stop makes no sense 😑
@@birnel_czr2117 rumbling needed zeke who is of royal blood to be alive
@@AntiKashThat doesn't make any sense. Coz ymir rejected Zeke order and give her power to eren. So Zeke alive or dead.It doesn't matter.
5:28 really? there are literally people dying at ukraine and palestine in a wars and literal genocide and probably more places, today, right now. nobody except the parties directly involved is doing anything about that. it happened before, it happens now, it will happen again, and I am not so sure I am safe, or if anyone is. with weapons we have today, it takes one charismatic fanatic to make us go back in time as civilisation. it is very real. I dont mean to be a fear mongler, but we really have to be more aware that time of peace shows to be always temporary.
My point wasn’t that wars aren’t nonstop in fact I meant as referring to Palestine when I said that wars continue to this day. My point is attack on titan is not comparable, we’ve had losses of a lot of people over time but not 80% as I know it and if that we’re to happen I believe we’d be smarter about our future and not just nuke everything again. But I’m not also not saying that has no chance of happening, I just assumed we’d be smarter if we lost that many people no matter how far in the future it is
@@AntiKash well i dont have so much faith in humanity BUT i love it that anime makes people talk about these kinds of topics
@@gurozawa of course bro especially if it gets people talking about Palestine and Ukraine, they need more coverage! If it takes anime then so be it
AOT IS PEAK. Bro got me with the title tho lol I thought I was gonna have to argue with you about AOT but man’s clickbaited, it did get me to click, great vid 😂
I usually never clickbait but I had to this time😭 I feel like everyone’s talking about aot rn reasonably so, so I wanted to stand out somehow. And honestly I was confused why so many people were hating, this ending was amazing
@@AntiKash don’t worry bro it was a great vid anyway glad to watch !
Nah bro, you are the confused one here. Was hot garbage@@AntiKash
I once told my friend, I believe that if humans completely disappeared but come back again for a second chance, that we will still end up at the exact same point all over again. We won’t do things differently and this show validated that 100% 😂 I loved it. This show managed to shock me like no other show has ever been able to do. What an absolute journey.
Yes we are unfortunately flawed forever it seems 😭 one hell of a journey tho like you said
I feel like a loot of shows came with the same conclusion so I don't see how AoT's final was special for that
The epilogue we were shown during the ending credits so pessimistic but absolutely true; humanity is destined to destroy ourselves repeatedly with our conflict. Even if Eren had succeeded in wiping out 100% of the world outside of Paradis Island, the Eldian's would eventually find conflict amongst themselves again and the cycle of violence continues. As long as humanity holds different opinions, there will be conflict that eventually leads to violence and war. It's just how it goes.
holds FIRM to different opinions.we can t have all same opinion.
I don't think it was pessimistic. It showed that there was a *very* long period of peace on Paradis. The characters we knew, their children and their grandchildren likely got to live full lives. There was always going to be more wars in the future, just like in the real world. That's just realistic.
@@bogdanturda566 Definitly not saying we should all have the same opinion. That would be horrible and boring and awful. I wouldn't want to live in that world. The awful truth tho, is there will be people who want to go to war over opinions and resources and that's just human nature, nothing can be done about it and nothing really should be done about it. That being said, we are perpetually desinted have pockets of peace, for some, only for everyone to decent back into chaos and violence once again. Thats what all of human history is and will continue to be. It's beautiful dn utterly tragic.
To the people saying that what Eren did (killing 80% of humanity) was pointless in the end and that he should have just gone full 100% are so simpleminded. First off the 80% and everything else was set from the start, even if he wanted to decide to do 100% of the rumbling he still couldn't have changed his own fate since the start of the show. Second, if that DID happen, his friends that would try to stop it would die, there would still be war. Paradis would start conflict with itself by infighting and destroy itself. By having that 20% Paradis unites against a common enemy instead of turning against themselves over time. And as for paradis being destroyed ages or milennia later, that is their own seperate conflict. The ones we knew are LONG gone and lived their long lives, WITHOUT ANY TITANS IN THE WORLD, which was Eren's primary goal since the start. You can't expect him to look out for the future forever like an actual GOD lmao. As if we in the real world have had world peace, we are actually even worse lmao, threatening to kill someone else over a difference in opinion...
Perfectly said, erens not a god he couldn’t see thousands or millions of years into the future. His only goal was for his friends to die of old age and that’s exactly what happened, too many people missed that point
@@AntiKashit's not that we missed it,its just dumb way of thinking
I find the ending fitting, I would just wish it was more fleshed out and subtle with Eren’s character. I feel like somehow he needed more time, like we never got to see Eren’s perspective the first hour.
I think Isayama really wanted to pass on his message which is why he was so blatantly obvious instead of subtle, even tho the break down does make sense it is more as how we came to that break down.
Both ur comments are extremely true, I think I mentioned it in my vid too but that’s it, I just wish there was more time, more fleshed out, and letting us interpret eren rather than be told he’s a hero. Still enjoyed the ending but yea these little details feel more true to aot as it has always been
@@AntiKash Yes i definitely think Mappa could have taken more time with Isayama to figure it out. I don't know, maybe in the future we will get a more fleshed out ending, not a different one but a better one, I'm still hoping ahah.
@@maryakawhovian aye it’s more than possible evangelion had that exact thing happen, but aye for now I’m not mad at it, just appreciating the journey.
@@AntiKash Yes I'm not mad either I think I'm just in denial that it ended after 10 years ahah
@@AntiKash Man, how opinion can differs a lot is so interesting. Eren's breakdown didn't make me see him as a hero.
He is someone who wants his friends to live and die in peaceful situation but he also desires an unoccupied world that he dreamed of as a child.
That's why he is letting others freely use their titan because he wants them to be free and want them to stop him because he can't give up his desire an empty world where no human exist outside Paradis.
He is a slave to this desire, a slave to freedom.
Eren wants his friends to be the hero who stop him because he knows what he is doing has crossed the line. He is not good at this point, not a hero.
Isayama is a great writer but he can’t do romance.😬
In a way yea, I think he should’ve dedicated at least a couple of episodes to building up the eren and mikasa love, I mean it was somewhat hinted at but also mainly just mikasa and overall seemed like a sibling love, it’s not a big deal to me at all but yea I see that
@@AntiKash When was it ever hinted Eren had feelings for her? I never saw that.
it was always subtle but i mean down to the fact that eren wrapped the scarf around her, saved her as a child and always wanted to protect her alongside the rest, which like i said was subtle and not always romantic but its not crazy to see that either imo@@brianachim2670
@@AntiKash Didn’t Isayama say Mikasa was like an older sister/ maternal figure to Eren? I never saw the romance.
Little correction: Eren did not learn his entire life the moment he kissed historias hand. He "only" learnt what his father had seen through future memories. Im almost certain he didnt know the ending until he gained the founding titans powers.
This is evident when he enters Paths. Eren didnt know Zeke would have control of the founder at first.
I dont think this changes your point that much though.
Ohhh ok thank u for clearing that up but yes like you said even just seeing his fathers memories and all that brutality, and then eventually learning of his end in the paths, just a terrible situation for him overall
@@AntiKash yes. He still saw the rumbling, but it's very unclear exactly how much he knew. But from him trying different approaches, we know that the memories he saw never changed. This more or less leads to the same thing you talked about I think :)
I actually changed my stance on this. He almost for sure knew the gist of how it was gonna end. Not that he would rumble 80% necessarily, but that he would stop before reaching 100% and likely that he would get killed. I base this on the first thing in 139, where he said he pushed Mikasa and Armin away so they would be heros when they killed him. This also annoys me as it seems to contradict what he said he in his inner monologue in 130: "I'm gonna destroy all of them that's on this earth, every last one of those animals". You can take it to believe the titans, but that would be very weird and forced considering he was trampeling over people and cities as he said it.
interesting honestly, I guess theres no way to know but I can see that as well@@ulrikbredland6965
Liked the ending, BUT... When Armin asked Eren why he did the rumbling and all he said was "I dont know". Yeah that's not good enough for me. It's the end of the show you need to have figured that shit out.
Walk in eren’s shoe. Can u remain sane in that situation????? 😂. I can’t. So for eren to show his humane side of thing is entirely acceptable and it’s perfect. He fulfil his prophecy anyway and gave his friends and love ones die of old age. There is no perfect ending in this. The suffering became insufferable. 😢😢😢
Yes to both comments in this thread, he should but it’s also the fact that this was all thrown on him the moment he kissed historias hand. It’s as if he was told everything he’ll have to do and maybe he did have a choice, in fact I think he did, but with all that thrown at u it basically feels like you don’t and that’s what really changed everything
So is there more to this why he did all this stuff or its simply i dont know
@@robimadafaka3626 again I think the easiest way to look at it is eren was a slave to his fate, which he witnessed much earlier through the power of the founding titan. He saw his future present and past all at once and I think that was the biggest reason or agitator as in what he did
I know this is his work not mine that doesn't automatically mean i have to like everything he does with the story. That arguement is as dumb as the "if you dislike it so much them make it yourself".
That wasn’t what I was getting at, my point is people couldn’t separate the fact that it was still good as an ending just not what they wanted. You can argue a ending is bad or good but when you start putting the “want” into it like how eren should stay a badass the whole time. That becomes a preference, and now you’re complaining that the work isn’t like how you wanted and trying to convince others that it’s bad
This ending was perfectly fitting for what the show was meant to be. I have no complaints. It's not my story to tell, only to experience
Exactly couldn’t have said it any bwtter
Sounds like cope to me
No hate but the romance part was what the show was meant to be??
Can’t believe it’s over bro almost made me cry again with the ending of this vid😭 great vid as usual
My bad fam you know I had to use that red swan ending tho, shit almost made me cry as I made it💀
4:42 it wasn't 9/11 reference. the plane got shot down way before getting close to the building
My bad it was a bad joke 😭 I’m an idiot
I hated the manga ending and made me regret buying every volume, but surprisingly, I didn't hate the anime ending. The pacing and few dialog changes made it feel a lot better, and Isayama's ending message came across clear in the anime ending. However, I still feel the ending was changed to either appease the weirdo shippers or so it wasn't such a negative ending. I don't understand why when somebody says they didn't like the ending, the immediate response is "What, you expected a happy ending, lmao?" No, I actually expected a lot darker ending, and the ending we got WAS the happy ending. My biggest issue was everyone's eagerness to forgive Eren and Erens "love" for Mikasa coming out of left field. Eren never had romantic feelings for Mikasa until the very end of the story, Mikasa always loved Eren, though that seemed fairly obvious to me. The only character I ever saw Eren show even an ounce of romantic interest in was Historia, until the second to last part of course when out of nowhere Eren is madly in love with Mikasa. That even makes more sense for the parallels between Mikasa and Emir. Mikasa is head over heels for Eren, but Eren only views her as a sister, just like King Fritz never loved Emir despite Emir being obsessed with him, and I never got the feeling Eren loved Mikasa as anything other than just his adoptive sister. The other issue I had was that after all the death, torture, suffering, after all the lives lost, friends killed, after 80% of the human population was exterminated, (which also includes 80% of plant life, land animals, religions, cultures, landmarks, world wonders, languages, ect.) all wiped out by Eren. After Eren erases 80% of the planet, a genocide that makes all the real world's mass murders combined look like ameuters, the characters are all giddy and even call him goofy at one point, they all forgive and even somewhat honor Eren to an extent, that's just ridiculous to me. That being said I'm not to upset over the ending, could it have been better? Definitely. Was it Game of Thrones bad? Definitely not. Will go down as probably my favorite anime of all time, despite my issues with the finale, the entire package was so good, I can overlook a hiccup or two at the end.
To those that read all this, yall are real ones 😂
Some people ain’t readin allat 💀 but I am! and i had a very similar experience as you but not as tough since I didn’t read the manga, and as I think about people like you who waited for months to get that final chapter I could see the glaring issue, and to top it off there were things I’m hearing about the manga like armin thanking Eren for a genocide!!?!??? But thank god they changed it for the anime and it was an amazing change. There were flaws no doubt, but like u said it’s something I could look over and the anime will remain my favorite.
@AntiKash we'll said, yea, the manga ending was rough, Attack on Titan is one of the rare exceptions where the anime is significantly better than the manga, with so many other great Mangas to read like Vagabond, Berserk, Kingdom, or Vinland Saga, I wouldn't recommend reading the AoT manga unless your just a super fan, but I frequently recommend the AoT anime to everyone I know, I have gotten many friends and family members addicted to it. It was an amazing journey, Isayama, and the teams developing the anime have nothing but love from me. I have a feeling this isn't the last we'll see of Attack on Titan, 2000 years of Titan history to pull from and then that ending from the future where the girl and her dog went into the tree, I think a spin off is on the horizon.
Gimme a cookie! I read all of it! 🙌🏾🥴
Anyway, Eren no doubt showed warm feelings toward Historia, in manga and anime alike. It also helps that they didn't grow up together. I mean, how do you say you think you might be in love with your adopted sister?🫤 Back on the subject, I think their bond was strengthened due to their connections to the Founding Titan. Only, I don't think it developed into anything romantic. I refer to her decision to get pregnant, ultimately, to protect Paradis. Whether by Eren or whoever, that bit always seemed more obligatory than a *romantic act of love.
EreMika certainly could've been written better, so as not to show a one-sided pov. Then again, how does one write about possibly being in love with their adopted sibling, without sounding like a creep? 😐 This isn't a justification for how he treated her in comparison to Historia. At all. Ultimately, any deep feelings Eren may have felt for Mikasa, but were never quite outwardly expressed, was partly due to that barrier. In that sense, Eren's switch-up wasn't so much out of the blue, as it was prolonged. On the surface, the brother-overly protective sister arc completely checks out, so I get why some would be anti-EreMika.
To your last part, I also don't think it was like forgiving him, as it was reconciling with his actions. How do you cope with knowing your closest friend/comrade/relative/neighbor is a total monster? How do you move on from that? This happens all the time in real life.
That's all I got. It's been a blast 😅
@@AntiKashI caught that panel. I didn't take it as a sincere apology, but rather 1) poor sarcasm, facetiousness, and 2) his attempt at accepting responsibility. This is where the anime attempted to correct. Recall when Eren brought the crew into the paths following Hange's death (RIP), I'd argue that he was already down that road. His last memory with Eren validated that.
I may not have been part of this journey from the beginning, like many people have, but it was still nothing short of an amazing show with a great ending. As you said, there are really only insignificant nitpicks that can be made once you really sit down and accept that this is the vision Isayama had. Eren’s character may have changed from our perspective, but in the context of the story, this is how he’s always been. While I was watching the breakdown scene between him and Armin, I couldn’t help but feel a bit disappointed. Aside from a very few instances before this finale, like when he broke down in front of Ramzi, I found it incredibly easy to push aside our past experiences with Eren and to see him as a selfishly misguided villain. Now that I’ve had some time to think about it, I’d better describe it as being uncomfortable rather than disappointed. I didn’t want to face the truth that nothing about this situation was black and white. I didn’t want to accept that he was still a flawed human through it all. He was never justified in his actions, and yet what else could I have expected him to do? We can’t possibly comprehend the traumatizing and confusing situation he was thrown into all in the single moment he kissed Historia’s hand. The ending is meant to be bittersweet. It’s meant to be thought-provoking. Although it may not be everyone’s perfect ending, it stays true to the cruelty of our world. And most importantly, it is, finally, the end.
I LOVE U BRO. Alsoo This couldn’t have been said any better, exactly what you said about selfishly misguided villain, it is the only words that can describe eren at this point. He was thinking of himself in a moment he described killing 80% of the population. Clearly he never grew up because he never had the chance too, yet he still bared the weight of the most powerful titan in the world, with an immense amount of history on his back. His character makes sense as does the end, it’s cruel but alike to the reality we’re in and with wars going on in Palestine and Ukraine, couldn’t have argued against that reminder of the cycle of hatred. Bittersweet but a great close nonetheless to beautiful piece of fiction.
Well said! I think what many seem to miss, is that multiple things can be true. As you said, it isn't entirely black/white.
Congratz on the 1k subs Kash! Keep it up
Thanks Rea! Appreciate u for sticking around since the start, let’s keep grinding and growing our channels fam ❤️
5:13 I think Isayama made Erwin’s word come to fruition, when he said conflict will only end when the population falls to 1 or less.
That’s a great point, never thought about that
Just think about it: Isayama managed to create a silent character, with ZERO dialogue and ZERO monologue but still explore her backstory, struggles, suffering, mystery around her motivation, set such amazing parallels between her, the mc, historia, freckled Ymir, zeke and frieda only through her emotions and actions, symbolism and visuals, he connected it with aot's themes and its lore. He managed to write THIS... so she, ymir fritz, got to be destroyed by 3 gd lines ("only Ymir knows...", "ymir loved the king fritz" and "she was waiting for mikasa")
Just... why? WTH? FOR WHAT?
Where do I begin? Well, her love for the king... Firstly, no way it's Stockholm syndrome cuz this shit works differently. You guys read about it yourselves. So, no. Secondly, WHEN did she start to develop feelings for him? Before freeing the pigs? After their marriage? After getting pregnant? When? Thirdly, WHY does she have affection for her husband? He ruined her life in every way, he abused her physically and mentally, he did the same thing to their children but she... Uh, ok, let's see (as if we could). If she loves him, why does she disobey him by freeing the pigs and not regenerating? Why doesn't she smile or isn't happy when he's around? Why does she want him dead instead of her and regrets not letting fritz die? If she regretted this whole time, doesn't it mean she already put herself and her daughters above her husband so the titan curse could end sooner?
Now, ymir and mikasa... Their connection has NO buildup. It's never hinted at something common between these two throughout the entire show. The Ackerman's headaches had no allusion to the goddess. So why mikasa? What about this woman made fritz choose her? The fact she was an Ackerman? Or the person who was able to kill the love of her life? Um, couldn't ymir find someone else, like, sooner, 282 years ago for example, among millions of people, within 2000 years? Or it's because mika killed the founder when it separated from hallucigenia? Who knows, who cares...
Why even show so many well-written parallels between ymir fritz, eren, historia and freckled ymir if they have no payoff? Why does Ymir find herself in mikasa but not historia whom she has much more in common with? Historia is a better version of her, so why not wait for reiss? For what reason does she pick a girl with no dignity, self-respect and ability to move on or grow up? How are her relationship with fritz and eremika bond even similar? Eren didn't treat mikasa the way fritz treated his wife. Eren saved and freed mikasa, that tyrant enslaved and and turned his woman's life into a nightmare. The mc and the king are complete OPPOSITES just like mika and ymir. What would she do if mikasa suddenly changed her mind and didn't kill eren? Wait for 2000 years for someone again? How can mikasa help her move on from the king if ackerman didn't move on from eren herself?
Next, if Ymir was the one to make titans in the paths, who made her titan? Was the hallucigenia a separate organism or was it connected to fritz after giving her titan powers? If it wasn't connected to her, then why did it disappear instead of trying to find a new holder? Why was it trying to find one at first but vanished after Eren's death? So the founder's death affects it? Then the hallucigenia should have died when Ymir died. But they're not connected, are they? Or the opposite? Ugh... Why did the founder split into 9 titans? Why not 6 or 27 or 3 if she had 3 daughters? If maria, rosa and shina were able to get their mom's power at the same time, does that mean both erwin and armin could eat berthold and become shifters together? How did fritz know about the way of passing titan powers to new holders? Was Ymir dead when he fed her to their daughters? If she wasn't, then her power should have been given to a newborn eldian. If she was, then she allowed the king chip her into pieces and saw her daughters eat her? If she can rewrite her people's dna, that means she can lenthen their lifetime or make them invulnerable or immortal? Can she provide them with armor appearing out of their bodies or weapon out of the air? Or stop them from turning into titans? About the paths... I refuse to talk about how they work. I would take one more paragraph
Additionally, whose side is Ymir throughout the story on? On fritz's, who planned to build Eldian empire? Or on Zeke's and Karl's who wished to end this empire's existence and wanted her descendants to die? Or on Eren's who tried to save some of them? Is she with mikasa who stopped eren from doing it? Or is she with the alliance who did everything in their power to to save the rest of humanity on the continent? Or is she on the royal family's side? WHOM does she obey? Or is it just going with the flow of events? If that's the case, then how can she wait for mikasa? But if it's still for witnessing mikasa murdering eren, then why does she listen to zeke when eren enters the paths? By this logic, she should join the mc immediately to see him get killed as soon as possible. What were those scenes with her watching everyone during the rumbling all about? Why does she join eren at first and starts the rumbling with the boy but then helps the alliance to defeat him? Why would she do that to someone who made her moved to tears for the first time after 2000 years of suffering? Who healed her by his words of kindness, who told her she's just a person, not a slave or a god, that she get to decide and choose? Why are we told in the final mikasa saved her if eren already did that? Did she need help two times? If the mc wasn't the one to free her, how could she disobey zeke? Is eren her liberator or pawn? If a liberator, why didn't she tell him what she wanted or write shit on sand, anything? If a pawn, why make a show "at your service, mr zeke" and weep after Eren's speech?
Also, what exactly made titans disappear? Eren's death, his refusal to live, mikasa's choice, the fact hallucigenia separated from the mc, the fact fritz saw the kiss? What? Ymir's desire to stop? So you mean to tell me she wanted them to exist? She could refuse making them anytime? Why did she smile at the end of ch 138? Because eren got killed or because the goddess saw the kiss?
To think that for more than 100000+- years (if we take into account time in the paths moves slower) she created MILLIONS of titans when shifters transformed and when eldians turned into them (dozens times a day), healed her descendants (once again, dozens times a day), changed or erased their memories, rewrote their dna, made shit from crystals, walked millions of kilometers to build titans, carried many-many pails with water and sand, climbed high to make enormous arms, heads, necks etc... for TWO THOUSAND YEARS she made her children and their children suffer, made the world endure, helped the mc start GENOCIDE, watched millions of people die and kill each other, witnessed her people eat one another and so on just because she COULDN'T MOVE ON FROM HER ABUSER!
What else should I say... Either she is the stupidest human being or the most despicable and evil person ever. Either her plotline is retconned, or the author just didn't think it out properly (which is so unlikely). Maybe, just maybe, she was the true villain of the story all along, not a victim as we thought. We were just ignorant to see it or didn't want to notice. TMM, Ymir's character gained the worst conclusion in aot, even worse than eren because we didn't even get to know about her motivation, it remained a mystery because "only she knows...". Her arc was so unresolved and so underdeveloped. What was Isayama even thinking?
Really good points honestly, I unfortunately can’t give you closure either on Ymir’s character as he should have and as u described there are clear holes in her ending and a good amount just not explained. I hear you though at the least
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Damm bro, a lot
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maybe after this comment eds will finally start thinking
Felt anticlimactic to me, always felt like Aot was so much more and it just ended, just like that…
What else were you expecting?
I think that just has to do with the tone shift like I was saying. The ending was overly positive and there wasn’t really any plot twist which I think we’ve been spoiled with. I think our expectations were not only high but just different so people gotta take a step back to understand that it’s really not that bad of an ending.
“Everyone is a slave to something, even him.” -Kenny Ackerman
That intro was Tough! you're Tuggin' on heart strings!
Thank you bro 🙏 had to relive that journey with a quick edit, it’s been one hell of a ride and glad we both seen this peak fiction
At least Eren fulfilled his dream of giving his friends a long life. The ending is bitter sweet but war in any era is inevitable.
Somber and bittersweet , but a good and fairly realistic ending nonetheless. Eren fulfilled his prophecy through it all as his friends died of old age, in that way couldn’t have asked for better
tbh, I would be more surprised if the remaining countries did not unite against the race that carried out the massacre in the future. personal opinions. though Paradis survived, it was eventually controlled by the Yeagerists, and followed the same path as Marley. From the destruction of Paradis at the end and the expressions of Sasha's family when Historia spoke, it can be seen that isayama may had a sarcastic attitude towards the ending of Paradis. Because they failed to 'get out of the forest'. I think what Isayama tryin to say is that the war cannot end unless people get out of the forest, but judging from the ending, he probably also has a negative attitude towards whether humans CAN accurcally get out of the forest.
True true, I forget that the yeagarists are still majority of paradis and that would make conflict all the more likely, good point
i felt it was cute, eren crying over MIKASA
It was meant to be like that tbh , I think it just caught people so off guard given how serious it usually is
Atleast Isayama has now reached his freedom through aot.
Facts he doesn’t have to deal with us annoying fans now loll
I swear everyone thinks every story needs to have a good ending. Look how Spider-Man no way home come out, it was a sad way to end the movie but they still enjoyed it and the same thing with other anime’s and some of them have a worse ending than AoT
Exactlyyyy people need to understand not every ending will be positive, I know it helps when it is and it’s more closure but that’s just not how it works. People need to Just appreciate aot as a whole regardless
@@AntiKashwhy u think people watch anime
As someone who’s had over two years to ponder the ending… I STILL hate this shit!
💀💀that’s funny asf ngl
This story was near perfect in my eyes. One of the closest things to a masterpiece out there and so it deserves a 10/10 for me.
1000% it’s genuinely one of the best
Stories out there even past anime, just in general
i do have a theory for the show, so in the end when all hell broke loose on paradis island (could be the name of it in the near future) when eren died and got burried that some of the founding titan was stuck in his head, and so when the tree he was burried by didnt get destroyed because of when the war on (as i said earlier could be paradis island) paradis island the tree didnt get destroyed along side erens head (with some of the founding titan possibly) grew to become a massive tree and had a hole the exact same shape as the one ymir fritz fell into when she was injured, and this could possibly be another manga/show in the next few years possibly if the creator decides to make a manga based of a completely diffrent type of scene and world view or the show.
That’s very possible, and shii if isayama is writing it I wouldn’t be completely against it tbh
Ymir loving King Fritz despite him being massively abusive to her makes no sense at all.
My only way to interpret that is that happened out of traumatic affect. It’s a real thing and I think there’s a name for it, it’s common in abusive relationships where the victim “loves” the abuser. It’s fucked up but it happens, like “Stockholm syndrome” is the name I think
@@AntiKash Stockholm syndrome is a a contested illness many psychologists don't believe it even exists and it is even recognised by the American diagnostic and statistical Manuel of mental disorders. Also there are no positive interaction between Ymir and king Fritz in the story to justify Ymir loving the king. Using a contested illness caused by abuse is not a strong argument. I think Isayama wrote this reveal to parrell Ymir to Mikasa which was a decision which flopped hella hard.
@@AntiKash Also I have an idea of what you review on your channel it is related to anime.
@@AntiKash ruclips.net/video/syYCO0QVkZo/видео.htmlfeature=shared
@@starknight103 ofc let me know, I have a couple I’m working on right now but I will definitely add to the list, any rec is appreciated 🙏
Thank you for this journey. I’m still speechless that it’s over after all this time. Beautifully edited video👌
I look forward to re watching it all one day when I’m older
Thank you so much!❤️❤️❤️❤️ i can’t wait to come back to it in the future as well, it has been one hell of a journey and I cannot believe it’s actually over, but I am also more grateful than ever that it really exists
Some anime fans be complaining about anything bre this shit was goated, glad u enjoyed the finale as well
I’m saying bro, I genuinely don’t understand what the manga readers were on, I know the anime made some adjustments but was overall the same and shit was peak idc
@@AntiKash Isayama is trolling you sir. When did Eren ever give up and sucumb to fate? You fell for it
@@pro7gamer the way I took it is he described that he “had no choice” but in reality he changed some things like sending the titans away from bertoldt so he had the ability to change things but didn’t because he was a slave to destiny🤷♂️
I have the same issue with the animie as I did with the manga, the stupid end credit where Paridis is getting obliterated. All the sacrifice in the end was kinda meaningless. They dialed tensions up to 11 and hot potatoes the problem to the next generation. Nothing was solved, only delayed. Other than that, I thought it was great both in the manga and the animie.
@@GIVEUPYOURMILK I feel that as I was saying that in my vid, but the only thing I will admit is isayama is basically saying war is inevitable and people are hopeless. Even as much as eren did it will still always go back to that, which I mean I don’t agree with but is a perspective at the end of the day
It’s not confusing it’s just stupid. The ending was fine the way it was, but the end credits is like a complete slap in the face. It wants to hammer it home that “war is pointless and stupid” well yes we know, we’ve seen many shows and movies to tell us that, yet to hammer that in on a finale after every story is wrapped up is completely unnecessary.
I get it’s a cycle, but there are better ways to get around the “and everyone died” angle that’s common especially in anime.
I do agree the cycle of war was not the direction I liked it to go in, but it also is an angle at the end of the day. I’m not gonna get stuck on that tbh because it just means isayama has a pessimistic view on the future of humanity and shit with the wars going on today I can’t blame em 🤷♂️
I like how the boy and dog was at the tree at the end of the show it was intresting. I feltt like it was needed in some way
I see that, someone brought up the point he’s representing hope after war, I think that’s a really good point
@@AntiKashI honestly think it represents the cycle of repeating history. Like the titans are gonna exist again because the boy and the dog. The tree foreshadows or references the tree of Ymir.
Thank You Hiroyuki Sawano For the fantastic Music. Greatest Sound track in Anime
Factsss I almost shed a tear putting the music together for the video, it’s so damn good
you're channel is really underrated
Ayy thank you fam ❤️❤️❤️
I'm suprised people are suprised about the way Eren acted, season 4 pretty much showed him break down. Such as when Sasha died, or when he was crying to that kid because he was about to commit mass genocide. I feel like Eren is the type of character you either understand or don't understand. There's so much interesting physcology going on with him that I think is really well developed, but takes some extra viewing sometimes to understand
Yea people got so attached to the inhumane part of eren, because it’s cool which yea I mean genocidal part aside 💀 but they forget the amount of his psyche that has been affected and through all of this he is still human
honestly what’s fucked me up the most are the credits scenes. seeing the cycle of violence continue on that massive time scale is so overwhelming a thought. can’t stop thinking about it
I feel that, after seeing everything eren did to stop this exact thing, it makes sense but it’s so fucked up 😭
@AntiKash Eren wasn't trying to stop all wars for the rest of time. That would've been silly. We saw that there was a crazy long era of peace for Paradis, by the time of that war, Eren and his friends would be ancient history.
@@dmaxwell910901 makes sense! I was just overwhelmed going from focusing on the timescale of these characters’ lives (mostly) to seeing hundreds or thousands of years of history play out in the background of the credits in a matter of minutes.
this isn’t a criticism of any of it btw - just reeling in the enormity of history and perpetuation of violence
I now see you were replying to AntiKash specifically though, oops...
@@dmaxwell910901 true I mean planned or not his plan emphasized the stopping of hatred and violence and it did do just that for a very long time but sadly not forever, which is pretty realistic
4:20 you were saying they you were suprised why so many survived?? Thats the whole point eren didnt want anyone of his friends to die, he even regrets to shasha and hange being dead. If more people die than eren would kill 80% people for nothing. He wanted his friends to live longer lives.
That’s true and I agree with that but also it’s just the likeliness of one of them dying even in like Annie or Reiner, I don’t think they count as erens friend, someone should’ve died imo against the op eren and Ymir
@@AntiKash bro reiner dying would make the meme dead, and annie dying would make armin sad, which is his friend lol. That's why I think isayama didn't killed them. Jokes aside, if he cared that much about shasha who he doesn't even know much about, it makes sense that he even cared about reiner. I agree that annie isn't his friend but her dying won't do much to me actually plus armin loves her so I don't think there's any point in killing her. The ending was perfect lol I don't see any flaws actually. Prove me wrong.
@@Isirsizitsitreed NOT THE MEME 😭😭😭 but yea I actually agree with u, I think it’s just surprising to finally see people live lol but it does make sense and is basically the only reason eren did all of it for his friends like u said
@@AntiKash yup man armin just confessed to her.If she died, armin would better not love her from the start.
Actually thats how eren copes is through laughing like at the ending of season 2 right before he used the founding titans powers for the first time he started to laugh because of how helpless he is
Eren never changed from the very first episode
Personally after reading the manga and watching the anime, i still can't bring myself to like the ending since theres a lot i do not agree as many of the playoffs in the ending aren't really that good tbh. And no i don't care about eren breaking down, i care about the reason he's doing it.
However, this is still in my top 10s and I'm glad i was able to get into it. Cheers Isayama.
Fair enough, Its opinions at the end of the day so of course I may like it and you don’t, but we both appreciate the overall story and that’s what it’s abojt
Event AoT, Titan Power or Rumbling happened. The cyrcle of hate still happen like AOT ending
Yup cycle of hatred unfortunately never ends
My biggest problem is if Isayama wants to make Eren cry, at least let him cry in a little boy form. That will show Eren's vulnerable side without character assassination
It may seems better but vulnerable dont only apply for kids, adults can break down and cry too especially it's the end of their time or someone else time, so make more sense to be the real adult him doing the crying
Nah, it proves that the whole time he had to put his real feelings aside and how crazy it drove him. It was all a facade, like he said. He was some idiot who was given power. That vulnerable moment is who he was the whole time, the dude cries almost every episode in the early seasons. It’s who Eren is
@@DavidGarcia-rk5he That's why I said we dont need a kid eren crying, because he grew up with that mental state and will end with the real form.
completely agree with you brother @@maynetiong4030
Eren is a 19 year old
They actually made the breakdown way better than the manga. “You became a mass murderer for our sake” is still garbage writing. See you in hell was way better.
I loved the see you in hell part, I didn’t know that was the difference but man am I glad he didn’t say that manga line 💀
Wait who was building titans during the battle ?
I’m pretty sure it was Ymir summoning them from erens bone marrow it was a bit confusing tho and may be a plot hole to be completely honest
I think people’s main issue with the ending is the forced romance. Romantic love was NEVER a core theme of Attack On Titan. So suddenly making it a key part of the ending was a huge mistake.
Eren’s romantic feelings for Mikasa come out of nowhere and were not set up well in previous seasons. Moreover, him crying and whining about Mikasa finding another man is extremely out of character for him. It is also unnecessary and makes the character look needlessly pathetic. The heavy implication that Eren would have never started the rumbling if Mikasa confessed her feelings to him is also VERY out of character.
In addition, Ymir’s reason for choosing Mikasa makes no sense. Mikasa is not a slave like Ymir was and chooses to love Eren out of her own free will. Eren and Mikasa’s relationship is also not abusive like that of Ymir and Fritz. Ymir testing Mikasa to see if she would kill Eren or not actual casts Ymir in a rather villainous light. She is purposely attempting to ruin Mikasa and Eren’s relationship just so that she can move on from Fritz. However, the story acts as if she is right for wanting trying to force Mikasa to kill him and enslaving Eren to her will.
Attack On Titan was NEVER a story about romance and Isayama is not good at writing romance. Deciding to base the entire ending around a poorly written, convoluted love story between Eren, Mikasa, and Ymir is a glaring flaw.
That being said, I did actually enjoy the ending for the most part. Eren’s transformation from naive hero to vicious war criminal was handled masterfully, the fight scenes were incredibly breathtaking, and they managed to give Mikasa believable motivations for killing Eren despite her still loving him unconditionally. I just wish the ending didn’t try so hard to change Attack On Titan into a love story when that was never what it was about.
Ok so this is an argument I can definitely agree with, eren never really talked about romance ever too. So it was a bit hard to see it from his perspective but then again it’s not super un believable because he missed out on most childhood chances like having a relationship with mikasa. But yea I see what you mean it was never really a big theme in the show before now, but overall the ending was pretty good.
actually don't know, tbh I could see how much eren cared for Mikasa in the beginning, he was just very roundabout about it, the moment where Mikasa almost kisses Eren when they were about to be crushed by that titan i feel like that was a moment of contemplation for him, I don't know to me that always seemed clear to me. There's very subtle hints that Eren drops but i mean yeahhh.. it isn't obvious obivous, so i get it
@@somerandomskywalker9854 He cared about her in a familial way. It is NEVER clearly implied that he had romantic feelings for her. He literally denies most of her advances.
Him crying and simping for a woman he almost never showed romantic interest in felt very out of character for me
I think the controversy boils down to a mix of people idolizing Eren and the manga's ending feeling very rushed. The scene where Armin and Eren talk was brought up a lot in arguments surrounding the ending, especially by people throwing around claims that the series was pro facist. Armin's original reactions during the scene felt completely out of place both tonally and thematically, and the additions in the anime did a lot to make the scene both more impactful and coherent with the rest of the story. People who thought that Eren was in the right were also angry that he was depicted as being childish, which is odd because his behavior in the show is 100% consistent with how Isayama has always depicted the character. The fact that some people enterperated the rumbling as being a justifiable and necessary evil is just sickening, especially given how much effort went into depicting the scope of and visceral horror inflicted by Eren's genocidal rampage.
The other additions in the anime also made the final battle feel so much more fleshed out, which made for a more engaging sendoff to aot's incredible action scenes.
Whether they got caught up in internet discorse about the politics of the story or were just underwhelmed by the rushed quality of the manga's ending, I hope we can get more people to give it another shot with the show's finale because, even though it doesn't make any major changes to the plot, it really is a much more satisfying ending to what has been one of if not the most influential series to come out of japan in the last decade.
Yup I heard a lot from these comments and I cannot believe isayama thought armin telling eren “thanks for a genocide” was a good idea 😭 but exactly what you said about people, isayama writing was so good it convinced people genocides were arguable, and that eren wasn’t an insane broken kid at the end of the day. People were convinced he was just a badass. The ending just showed the effects of all he had been through and was pretty positive (before the nukes) which I think people just weren’t ready for
I think it was garbage.
didn't read the manga only watched the final episode of the show
2 they didn't even bother to explain Ymir's character intentions and motivations
We don't even know how Mikasa helped Ymir
3 the most ridiculous time paradox of all time
So let me try to understand
Eren's mother died and bertolt survived which led to Eren becoming who he was at the end of the show and seeing the future
Then Eren decided to save bertolt and kill his mother because he saw the future and past
So essentially Eren killed his mother because he saw the future and saw the future because he killed his mother
WHAT THE FUCK
4 Eren's romantic attachment to Mikasa came out of nowhere and was never hinted at all throughout the series it was obvious there relationship was one-sided eren always viewd her only as a sister unlike Mikasa
Changing the dynamic completely in the final episode felt so abrupt and frankly quite lazy
5 are we really going to accept that eren's solution was somehow the best solution
You can see billions and billions of possibilities and you chose that
Why didn't he use the rumbling to play some coldwar
You know the Soviets have nukes the us has nukes but nobody wants to use them
It would have been even better because in this case only one side has the nukes and thus can dictate the terms of engagement ie eren
It would have been a good plan
Why didn't he choose that
6 the last comment about wanting to kill everyone was very unnecessary and a bit confusing
It feels like the writer tried to say something and accidentally exposed himself as a phycopath
Some great points brought up hence why I mentioned the weeb commanders video who had some of the same issues. The only answer I could say to 2 of those is Ymir’s intentions was basically just pure hatred that eren used against her to cause the rumbling and her intentions in creating titans for generations to come was because she “loved” king ymir likely out of Stockholm syndrome because she was insanely abused but nonetheless that was that reasoning. As for how mikasa changed her it was that scene where she kissed erens head ymir saw that you can kill the one you may love if it’s for the best, and still love them, parallel to ymir still making titans for Fritz which she can stop doing even if she “loves” him
@@AntiKash1Just saw the video it was full of good points especially the one about how Zeke and Armin escaped "the paths"
I remember being bothered about it as well
2 this is not an answer I will explain by asking a question
What did eren's meeting with Ymir mean to her
I thought that he made her free
And was finally able to see things clearly and was no longer a slave for the Royal family
ruclips.net/video/L_decDjNuuQ/видео.htmlsi=QoGCpi20JkTU1kxz
If Mikasa helped Ymir to get over king fritz
Then what was the point of the scene in the last season
Nothing about FaZe gaby adding hacks
Broooo I wanted to 😭 I couldn’t fit it into the vid cus I was mostly addressing the issue but yea she has fucking aimbot and we cannot ignore that
I dont think the ending was bad at all… like no where near i completely understand WHY it happened like this. Idk what mfs wanted fr. Like i just cannot understand yall 😭😭 did mfs want Eren to kill the friends he wanted to live long lives ? And even him saying he thought he did it to protect them but he really wanted to do it himself was COMPLETELY understandable. He was CONFLICTED, clearly. Thats what hes been with all of this dont look at it like an anime for a second put yourself in his 19y/o shoes becoming aware of the past future and present all in an instant do you think you would have all the answers? Someone just explain to me what they wanted to see.
Same I don’t get what people wanted, mfs were asking for a genocide, Isayama wrote Eren a little TOO well💀
@@AntiKash exactly bruh lmao all this just speaks to the greatness of AOT
5:20 i agree with the story, war will happen again eventually, though eren freed the world from the titans
Fair point, people have pointed out to me that 20% of a population can grow pretty easily so maybe this isn’t so far fetched
Playing red swan in the ending was brutal maen...why u made me tear up like that🥲😭🕊️
Shinzou wo Sasageyo
I had tooo don’t worry I was crying too 😭
he hates titans for eating his mom, and also eren sent that titan to his mom. woaaaaaat?
That part confused me I’m not even gonna lie but I couldn’t bring it up because I’ve seen arguments against it and I’d rather just not get into it. But “the weeb commander” brought that up in his video too and yea I just don’t really get it
For me people were swicthing sides, and killing anything that moves and changing their objectives way too much to keep up. Like name one person who ended up happy and got what they wanted?
I mean eren technically achieved his goal of peace and the main cast that survived ended up living happy full lives, there was momentary peace even tho it didnt have the most positive ending, it made sense
Thank you guys for 1000 subs!! working on a sort of special for that but of course I had to get this AOT video out asap, loved the finale no matter what people are saying, Cheers to everyone involved in the making of AOT for 10 years of peak fiction.
Get like me liL bro
Bros arguing with himself
Bro is not Tyler durden
@@AntiKash AoT left me with a shit taste in my mouth because of the nonsensical revelations that Eldians are Jews and Marleys are Nazis. That plot twist is fucking garbage.
Isayama is really pro-imperialist, pro-fascist, pro-ultranationalist, and pro-Zionist. It's kind of funny that he represents Marley as the old oppressors, which are the Nazis, and the Eldians as the new oppressors, which represent the Zionist Jews.
On the Marley side, they have the infamous Eldian concentration camp, which bears an uncanny resemblance to the Nazis' Jewish concentration camp during the Holocaust. On the Edian side, they have Eren's religious ultranationalistic cult called Yeagerist, for which they have a prejudicial agenda against non-Eldian races that bears resemblance to Zionist Jews' agenda in wiping out all of the Palestinians in their "land". For example, there was a time when Erens' rumbling stomped out all of the Muslim and African nations just for the sake of his ultranationalistic pride.
I was hoping for them to stop the rumbling without killing eren so he can live with mikasa in a unknown land and spend his years chilling
I would have loved that but I think that’s impossible given the amount of people eren killed he had to die
First timer anime watcher be like:Aot ending is confusing.
Evangalion: 😊😊😊
I ALMOST SAID THAt in my vid 💀💀 maybe we’ll get aot movies in the future
If only Ymir wasn’t so damn evil
Manga people are upset that Anime people liked it and they made videos about its legacy just like Weeb in command talking about it will be a nightmare.
Yea people just had this preconceived notion of how it should end and who eren is which is just not right imo
@@AntiKashThat’s never been the issue
very nice video
5:20 during the toba catastrophe, human population fell to 10000-10000 and we still have wars so i guess no reason to trust humanity😔 And I'm guessing that these new wars started thousands of years after eren's death so his story would hardly be a myth by that time
I stand corrected. Great point
Man this was the second anime I've ever watched in my life
and I really liked the ending
but I strobgly agree with all of what you have said
it's morally and quistionablly very confusing
and I just wanna know if eren is going to heaven or hell now😂😂
I'm very happy I was able to share this journey with you all this is a very dear show to me and to all of us and man I CAN NOT BELIEVE it has been 6 years since I watcjed that first episode
thank you all for this beuatiful journey and thank you Aot❤
Beautifully said, regardless of the slight issues with the end, nothing could make us forget the journey this whole thing has been, thank you aot 🙏
some people get the ending but why you not? maybe because you expect something cheerful or etc. but this is aot . you don't get it thats mean you miss something
Controversy is because people believed that Eren should of just Genocided cause Paradis got nuked in the end for the manga. Also it had some very questionable dialogue like Armin thanking Eren for genociding the world for them. Instead in the anime, Armin puts himself with equal blame to the genocide and agrees that both of them belong in hell. The anime showed that Paradis got nuked in the far far far future while in the manga it seems like only a few decades after the incident. Overall I personally only hated the dialogue of the manga's ending. Everything else was good and people thinking Eren's personality changed are either delusional or trying to self insert(literally me Meme) themselves with "gigachad" Eren. Another nit pick people have was that people are upset that Annie was free from any repercussion for her actions against Levi squad which honestly for me makes no sense for. Like yeah i understand that squad levi meant alot to Levi but it's literally war. The beef between them(Marley/Scouting Legion) was already settle during the camp site episode.
Well, those people are dumb, cuz that end credit war had nothing to do with this story of titans.
Perfectly described, i clearly didn’t read the manga so I wasn’t aware of those specific differences although I have heard the point about the dialogue and I’m so glad they changed it in the anime. And you disproved all points said in ur comment so thank you for that
Am i the only one who disappoint with anime ending? I prefer manga ending...
Idk man action was good and stuff but i hate they fixed ending like that...... To me AOT doesnt have right or wrong, it just have different perspectives and that is the reason why i liked AOT. However i feel like adjusted scenes just gave me a vibe like that eren is the only person who is wrong..... That adjusting whole conversation between EREN and Armin.... Like i was expecting to fix that thank you for massacre part but i was not expecting that they are gonna change whole narratives. Eren only choose Rumbling because Marley or outside world wanted extinction of Eldia or pardadis. He tried diplomatic and peaceful way but it didnt work. I am not saying marley is wrong bc eldia is the one who started all this bloodbath history. They just have different PERSPECTIVES. There is no right or wrong. However, they cut all of this thing and just looked like eren is the wrong guy here by adhusting that scene between Eren and Armin..... I really hated that they made Eren is the only one who is wrongdoing..... even if outside world wanted the masscare of paradise or eldian also. Idk...
I see your point but I think they only wanted to emphasize erens inner conflict. I think it says enough for us as viewers support eren even to the point where he’s killing so many people, simply because we understand everything that he’s been through, so it may seem like he’s the bad guy but they don’t have to say he’s not since we already understand him to an extent.
Useless ass ending. Erin lost, Mikasa lost. Then a century later everyone loses. Nuked. It's all for nothing.
I agree that shit pissed me off a lil at first, but eren also has no control over wars that happen thousands of years later, isayama basically just saying that there’s no hope for human society. Bro needs a hug
@@AntiKashthat’s why he wanted to do a 100% whipe so that it’s over and there’s no threats
@@PoopieFartGamer Who wanted that? did you even watch it?
Wake up to reality. That's how life is. Was stopping WW2 for nothing? There were wars centuries ago and we don't even know what they were about, yet they ended and we're here still waging wars. was it all for nothing? You think if Eldians were extinct, the rest of the world would have nothing to fight about? It was shown in in the opening of S4 how Marlyans were fighting some other nation just because they could. You need to grow up and look at the world.
@@PoopieFartGamer You guys are so narrow minded.
Yeah man I can't understand it was a good ending but these people on titanfolk are totally brainded.
Literally I think isayama just wrote eren a little too good
I thought the ending great. It was somber but bittersweet.
For sure, I think people found it hard to separate those feelings from it being good so they started hating on it
Eren had meltdowns throughout the series was he really a perfectly badass character? I would disagree. Throughout the series he had to rely on his frnds he lost to his enemy so many times he couldn’t transform in many important situations as a result he had to see his frnds and comrades die. It's only from on season 4 he did all he had to do.
Even after that sasha's death definitely hurt him terribly but he was holding himself just for the things were to come in future. He broke down before that boy who he would crush eventually, crying and asking for hos forgiveness. Breaking down of eren was not sudden at all
Not that it was sudden at all, it was just the type of breakdown, eren never showed hints at loving mikasa but at the same time there wasn’t really a chance for him to do so and he also wanted to protect her so I get that. But I think it’s understandable to at least see how people were thrown off, every time eren broke down previously it was during an extremely serious moment and this one was about his love life, still fair just understandable why people were a bit thrown off
I really liked the ending, although controversial to what people wanted I definitely think it was what was needed
FACTUAL, people might not agree with it but there’s a difference between disagreeing and not understanding. I think most people just don’t understand at the moment.
'AOT was never that type of show'
exactly
Yea the tone definitely shifted and I don’t think it makes it bad, it just could’ve been fleshed out a lil more before fully changing but nonetheless love the show as a whole
Tbh eren is suffering because of the powers and mental mess got
But he is happy
Cuz this is what he wanted
Evertything went exactly as planned Eren
His friends live the happiest lives they could
Him surviving was never a possibility
He was going to die due to the curse
Eren aint no loser he is a genuis
A suffering genius
Even in the moments of death he wasnt scared but relaxed
Cuz he knew everything gets fixed now
He has mentioned it in last 3 episodes
That everything happens as he willed it
But still fans callin him loser cuz he shed tears for his crush
Shame on these people
Yea I completely agree with you, eren was just a broken kid at the end of the day, who had way too much power before he had a chance to even grow up. People just got stuck on the fact that he was a badass, and can’t believe he was actually just human the whole time
My man lemme clear
It was officially announced that the destruction of paradi is set 2000 years later
So thats a lot of time for people to destroy paradi
Yea I didn’t make it as clear as I should’ve in this vid but it makes sense, and in my anime of the year video I mentioned that it makes sense
@@AntiKash love you brother keep going 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
what you call confusing I call garbage
Fair enough
Its not because character assassination. Its bacause its rushed. Fealth like cutted version. People had to watch explanations videos to understand it. Its stupid. To call it peak is a bs and thats what made half of fans even more angrier. Its average 6/10. Belive me praising is 10x more fake than genuine criticism. Time to open the eyes.
Don’t know what explanations people needed, it was rushed sure, but made sense. I gave the genuine criticism plus mentioned a video that only criticized it, in no way was it perfect. But it’s easy to overlook the negatives and most of them were just creative choices, the ending was objectively good just not for everyone.
This was fair and wholesome.
Thank u ❤️
@@AntiKash absolutely! The manga ending remains the Achilles heal for this series, unfortunately, and I feel this was reflected in the finale. Messy and scatterbrained. Nonetheless, it's been fun working out all the theories and easter egg moments. There was definitely room for improvement, in terms of using elements from the manga, and the overall plot. I admit, I even zoned out a bit.🫤 And, questions still remain. It goes back to one of the running themes, 'was there any other way?' Which is pretty fascinating when you think about it. On that note, I look forward to reading alternate endings from the fanbase. Again, thanks for sharing! 🥰🥰🥰
What a way to kill a series
Really, u think it was that bad
@@AntiKash yes
Nah was kinda peak and straight if u understood what happened in the sotry before Ngl
Oh yea I said “confused” as sorta clickbait 💀 I was confused at how people saw controversy in it
😭🥺🙏🏻🐶🌳right the end😢😭🕊️
I can’t believe it’s over 😭😭😭😭 fly high aot
Eren got what he deserved.
For sure bro killed 80% of the population and his friends survived, his entire plan went through bro hadda die