I can't emphasize enough the point on loot. Torchlight was the same. Tons and tons of items dropping all over the place, and it is all garbage. And since gold is pointless in these games, you soon realize it isn't even worth picking items to even sell, so you end up ignoring 99% of the entire item system. Which begs the question, why even have the items drop in the first place? Leveling feels just as bland and boring as well. Everything is scaled so you level up and get stronger, and your enemies automatically level up with you. Which again, questions why you are leveling up at all. You could remove item drops, attributes, and leveling from these modern arpg's and the experience wouldn't change. It is an illusion of older game mechanics which exist purely because tradition, because "well that is what these games are supposed to do". You go through the motions, but none of it is having an actual impact. What we lost from older games is these complex game systems and mechanics. It is like another comment said, there was so much depth to D2 beneath the surface. You could play the game for years and still learn something you didn't know about. And people did play it for years. Modern games, in an attempt to become more accessible, have stripped so much that what is left is only interesting for a few moments before boredom sets in. It is like moving from chess to tic-tac-toe. Sure, tic-tac-toe is more accessible, but you've experienced pretty much everything it has to offer after a few games. While chess has been played for centuries, with deep lines of opener analyzing, moves and games named after influential players, communities forming around the game, entire collection of books written about it, a competitive scene, etc. The ironic part is that there is a greater demand more than ever before for games to last a long time. Some developers look at 10 year plans. Not to mention the growing e-sports scene. And yet the more streamlined and accessible they make games, the harder it is to maintain interest. You can't have it both ways, you can't push out a tic-tac-toe game and expect it to have a history like chess.
Like loot in d2 is really that much better. Think about it. We all want that enigma, HoTo, 35fcr Spirit, griffons eye, etc... Sure good loot in d2 is much more rare and you do not have this +50000% damage and multipliers etc. Sets in d2 is crap, the vendors are meaningless beyond act 2 normal basically, and so on.
Well said, yes. Modern games have that tic-tac-toe model to push out sequels every 2-3 years, its just corporate greed, and studios need it to survive unless everyone changes it.
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I know you said it 2 years ago, but in 2018 we learned that D3 was really the precursor to Diablo Immortal + mobile monetization. This only makes Alex's assessment of D2 vs D3 even more enlightened than we thought :p
@@terp02Andrew Diablo 3 wasn't planned in order for Diablo Immortal to come out, that's just silly. No one goes into that long of a dev process to then release a game with the purpose of leading the fans into a mobile version.
I had a borderline existential crisis by the time I hit like 6-700 paragons in D3. Everything was moving so fast and so forgettable. I was like, "Why am I even doing this? None of this feels like it matters.."
Try playing it now. You can hit paragon 500 in 2 days. I just finished getting the seasonal set and some legendareis and I’m already doing 10s of trillions of damage.
your description of spells and how they feel was spot on and the main reason i stopped playing d3. it's like d2 playing compares to rockclimbing.. you have to check for a good route, look for all the edges you can get and know when to go for a grip or set your feet in a better position. d3 playing is like pulling yourself up on a rope. no matter what you do or how hard you pull.. it's not diverse or demanding. you are just going up.. and nothing else
I heard some people thought Diablo II was just clicking and repetitive. But that is far from the case. While playing the game, you have to pause and make decisions constantly. You need inventory management skills to balance the potions, charms and extra spaces to pick up gears. You need a mental hash table to quickly scan the loot so you know what to pick and what to give up. You need knowledge about breakpoints of FCR/FHR/FBR, so you can mix and match your gear and leave some space for MF. You need to know the strength of different mobs and just run away in certain circumstances. I think a beautiful game will always make you uncomfortable at some time. The first time I sold a Unique because I have no space left, I was miserable. But only by conquering the uncomfortable and come to terms with the game, you can actually fall in love with the game. That's why I feel modern games are way too user friendly and streamlined, you pick it up and you let it go, because you didn't even think actively, you just follow the leads of the developers, they decided what was best for you, and you didn't even care.
Those are good points I'll probably use in the future. There's definitely a lot more stuff that you want to be aware of and decisions to be made just about everything.
Knowledge of breakpoints is a good thing for the game? LOL. In this game 35% FCR is not better than 30% FCR. That's a flaw of the game engine, nothing more. That's not a plus for the game. That's a negative. A player should never be required to know what's going on "under the hood" in order to play the game successfully. 31%, 32%, 33%, 34% FCR should be better than 30% FCR in a decently programmed game.
You don't need to know that stuff to be successful? 12 year old me made it through the game fine before I even knew looking stuff up on the internet was a thing (I ran a fucking necro wielding a bow, for god's sake). Also tons of extremely successful games use increments in their systems, it isn't a flaw in design; it's a _type_ of game design (Monster Hunter is a recent example I'm going with here, which is a very successful and world renowned ARPG franchise). To just write off an intentional design choice as a game engine flaw just because you don't particularly like it is silly at best and intellectually dishonest at worst, when the system clearly works fine for many different games. Players aren't required to know this to do fine in the game (In D2 or Monster Hunter, conversely). It's entirely optional, and knowing something more about a game over your fellow player _should_ be something that gives you an edge in any game, in just about every genre. Both the games mentioned here rely a lot more on the skill of the player than the bonuses they bring to the table. It's like getting upset at someone for knowing an official monopoly rule that you haven't heard of before, just because you never read them and it just screwed you over. So no, it isn't a negative thing. Many _many_ people enjoy this type of system, so speak for yourself.
I know this comment is 4 years old but I'd just like to point out that nothing you said takes away from the fact that it really is just about clicking on enemies. Everything else is there just to further facilitate more clicking on tougher enemies. It's a perfectly valid critique. The combat is shallow and all the depth lies in managing numbers. And idk how you could even remotely argue that the game isn't repetitive. Seems to me like you're portraying questionable mechanics and design decisions as being good things just to point fingers at modern games for not falling into some of the same traps. Like really? User convenience is a bad thing? Playing D2 from the perspective of a newer player I see why people like it, but its flaws are so incredibly obvious without nostalgia goggles or Stockholm syndrome. A lot of arguments in its defense often seem to boil down to >new game bad, old game good
I, for one, really love the colors of Diablo 3. I like the darker atmosphere of the older games but ironically, I get more of a nostalgic vibe when I play Diablo 3 over the original two. The colors really remind me of my favorite show as preteen/teen (and still one of my favorites), Avatar: The Last Airbender, as well as one of my favorite games of all time, Total Annihilation: Kingdoms. Thus when I play the game, I just get this really heavy nostalgic vibe that I absolutely love. Granted, I may be a bit biased as Diablo 3 was my first time playing a Diablo game (and my second time playing an ARPG; my first was Drakensang Online), and I haven't played Diablo 2 yet. I did get the first game running via a virtual drive but haven't been able to buy D2 (mostly because I'm not about to pay $20 to play a 19-year-old game that hasn't received updates in years). However, I don't think I'm biased that much since I really do enjoy the first game so far.
I’m trying to play it now and it’s so hard not to compare the game to d2 at every fucking moment haha. I think d2 was made for adults and d3 was made for kids. There’s no grit to the game...no soul
All my friends which played Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 came back to D2 recently. Overall you could say that Diablo 3 is just a realization of too many inappropriate ideas...but hey, at least it runs on multiple platforms so it can sell better. This game will never be immortal like Diablo 2 which, I can bet, was created with joy and excitement.
Have you tried D3 since ROS came out? The number and quality of improvements made to the game say a lot about the team that was working on D3. Pretty sure there was joy and excitement there too.
no its not, it has more concurrent players than Path of Exile that many players call the "Killer of Diablo 3" which, by the way is a stupid way to describe a game.
I played probably 800 hours of d3 over the years and I agree with you on every point. I played D2 on release day and spent thousands of hours on it and it is still fun. I'd like to add that the art style and being limited to only playing with 4 people were also huge negatives for me.
***** In a technical sense they improved on it, with higher screen resolution. But the art style is purely subjective and I don't hink they improved it.
***** I'd say the latter is false, D2 strived for a realistic grounded look (armor designs were still fantasy but fairly grounded) D3 obviously strive to emulate the art style of Warcraft with a painted aesthetic and exaggerated proportions, both in character design, armor and weapon design, and architectural design. It clearly didn't evolve from D2. Wether this is good or bad is completely subjective.
Interestingly, what you said about the skills all blending together and becoming a spam of nonesense really applies to Maplestory as well. Old school Maplestory was defined by having a small number of skills that each class wielded. So warriors felt and played a lot different from mages or archers. Now, almost all classes have some insane mobbing skill they spam that's pretty similar to everyone else's insane mobbing skill while they user their version of flying or zooming around the map.
D3 feels abit like a casino, alot of blinking lights and numbers. But at the end only thing that matters is you come out with more than you went in with.
10:10 however In d2 it is super fun to make a WW asn or wearbear barb, right? Also some builds in D2 are really not viable without certain item (Light sorc without infinity comes to mind)
Ok, I said that because I used to enjoy d2 a lot and d3 turned me off so hard... I then tried poe and liked it, but nothing more, but that was 2 years ago. They kept on adding to the game since then and I have to say that the last expansion Atlas of Worlds is sick...
Yeah was about to mention POE Lama. I really like your youtube channel and if I had time to watch you stream I would for sure subscibe + donate, you make some great content dude :)
I feel that the Atlas of world expansion is the best content they made to POE so far. Very great endgame which is challenging and motivating to move towards.
i love everything you said, in d3 its your gear, your character never actually gets better, which is funny because according to the lore your character is supposed to be like the most powerful thing ever.
Yeah... Monster resistances were awesome... I can still very vividly remember when I first met my Phisical Resistance monster.. as a barbarian... I was like...WHAT? I literally cannot kill that... And realised I have to just leave that monster behind. Compared to D3, where (if at all) you have the zodiac amulet (or ring, I don't remember), that changes dmg bonus after time, and rotates constantly, was the only impactful decisionmaking in terms of elemental dmg. With the necro, they started to add in somewhat different builds, but because of dmg being multiplicative in D3, it's literally impossible to balance anything. So it became their demise.
I use to be all about diablo 3 for the longest time and no one could convince me otherwise. Now I recently bought diablo 2 again to take a stroll down memory lane and I find myself not clicking the diablo 3 icon anymore on the desktop. Diablo 2 for sure is one of the most iconic games ever made and I think it will be for awhile still.
Basically he doesn't like having more progression in the endgame, he just wants a maximum cap of monster HP and damage. Personally, I'd much rather have continued progression than 10,000 more f***ing Meph runs, like seriously. And a lot of his complaints other than that are also true in D2, which ultimately makes me think he just likes chewing on the member berries. "Most of the gear is garbage and utterly ignored." Sounds ALOT like D2, and at least in D3 it can actually fit in your bag. Liking rerolling charms for a 1 in 10bajillion chance of getting something good is... well difficult to understand. I also can't possibly understand how he would find the combat in D2 better than in D3. Like... spamming 1 ability over and over while ignoring monsters that are immune to that ability is apparently more interesting than more contemporary concepts like CD management and movement, but what do I know. Look, to each their own. I've played both, and I just wish they made D3 LOOK more like D2. The combat and reward systems (post Loot 2.0) make D3 a significantly more polished and rewarding experience in my opinion. D2 is literal torture after you kill Hell Baal for the first time.
I know this is an old comment on an even older video, but I honestly couldn't agree with you more. D2 was great, played d2r a ton. But the only thing I find myself missing while playing D3 is the aesthetic. Other than that, D3 is far more enjoyable. Here's to hoping D4 gets the mix of both games right.
couldn't get in d3...At release it was absolute garbage...than with ROS and rifts it got me hooked for about 3 months...quit around rifts 120... two things for me: loot and the look. look was too fantasy. And loot was pre set build you had to have every piece to progress...so no custumization...Just taking the example of shako in the vid here ..u could replace it with crown of ages to be a tank or with a rare circlet, or with nightwing ect.....and still be around the same power lvl. So how do i get 10 grift higher? same exact gear but with higher rolls and higher rolls..hey lets get it primal....nooo but but there is also an ancient one after that with +10000 intelligence... think in latest patches they even added stuff after ancient primal lolll where does this end... doing thousands than millions than billions, than numbers l cant even say so high they are...the exponantial power progression with pre set gear choices was bad. And honestly on d2 part if ur doing the same thing over and over its ur choice. Played alot of that game and never did the same thing over and over ....there is 5 acts with lots of zones to farm...Lo runes drop from normal mobs at begining of hell...all this farm this place 10000 times isn't true if you dont want to ...liberty...the new added terror zones are also a good positive.
Not to mention the art style. Very dark and evil with D2, even the picking phase when you choose your character, dark and gritty. D3 was more colorful and blocky like WOW or StarCraft 2. There was just a more realistic tone to D2 where as it feels like D3 is more cartoony. Also, 4 players vs 8 on D2, and you could have your companion with you. It was more chaotic with 8 people and companions running around. D2 also has 1 more character class than D3 does; more variety is a good thing. I agree with you on D3 getting boring late game. I went back to D2 for that same reason. D2 = Better in every way. (I also think StarCraft was better than the second. Same thing.) Blizzard for me has been going downhill for a while. Blizzard North is what made the company what it is today and they're gone. Haven't played really anything blizzard lately accept the old stuff.
Exactly, i loved the dark feeling around diablo II, same with Starcraft I... Also the story got u more with that kind of feeling imo.. Anyways Starcraft II did a lot better job compared to Diablo III as a successor but it was still kinda meeeeh even tho i enjoyed Wings of Liberty story, i think it was decent. The others expansions were meeeh... But in the end of a day i think Blizzard fucked up D3 really hard like realllllllllly hard. All they had to do is bring same (better) mechanics.. Keep the dark tone of the game and few new stuff.... I think they pushed it too quickly and thought about income only.. D3 is so fucking colorful and childish ffs.. Im playing it for 3 days and im already sick of it. I could play D2 nonstop and it was still fun
Really old comment but I agree for the most part. I love Starcraft 1 and 2 for different reasons, but they play differently enough from one another that the only thing really tying them together are the races you play and some of the mechanics. The same could be said for D2-D3. Like Starcraft 2, D3 seemed to focus more on break-neck speed/action, whereas the primary focus of Starcraft 1 and D2 were thoughtful decision making (At least, until you get into 8 man MP mode in D2). I mean they might as well both be their own franchise, I feel they're different enough to be considered entirely new IPs, but that's just my 2 cents.
The problem with D3's skill system is that they literally just took it Warcraft 3's hero system, that mini-RPG element that stacked into and otherwise RTS game. D3 just screams Warcraft way too much in every negative way possible.
I've said this in other places but i truly feel what was the biggest downfall of D3 was infact WoW. The instant loot for 'epics' in raiding, esp the way WoW became prior to d3 launch is what ruined the mfing that D2 created. D3 is an instant gratification game in its current stat. Oddly this is what the community asked for after vanilla D3 b/c, wait for it, vanilla D3 was too hard to gear. No one wanted to put in time it took to find things, which in retrospect was a complete crap shoot when compared to D2.
I believe my expectations were too high for d3. Totally agree that the exponential dmg and balance was off the whole time. Removing crit chance and crit damage would have probably saved it.
I was really trying to like d3 and the diablo community is correct after doing research. Blizzard basically stole diablo from blizzard north. D3 is a f disgrace
I really missed the classes from D2 (especially the Assassin... death sentry is my fav!). I found it hard to find a game and log on. Kept making me wait.
3:40 and 7:44 could not be more spot on. So few viable choices of builds, it’s all just math. Also, you can casually grind a build for 2 weeks or so, and after that, you need to generate hundreds of the same item in order to progress by getting ancient plus the 4 specific item attributes you need. Takes soooooo much time to get any sort of meaningful upgrade after a month, and no satisfaction from a good drop or runeword, and endgame is heavily dependent on fishing. Who has that kind of time?
funny enough I hated the design of the witch doctor more than anything in the game but he was the most fun to play out of all the classes for me. d3 sucks though
I recommend you to play either Titan Quest or Grim Dawn, both from the Crate Entertainment and is the closest thing you can have to a modern Diablo 2 plus they dont have preset class, instead you can choose to be a pure class or mix 2 classes; the possibility of builds are endless.
Honestly, aside from the auction house, I think D3 vanilla was better. It was actually challenging to unlock Inferno if you weren't using the RMAH, and it had a reasonable difficulty curve, instead of the snooze-fest that is RoS's campaign. And it was very much focused on making the experience of playing from 1-60 the "main game" rather than all about end-game rifting with the campaign just being a grind to get through first. I actually enjoyed playing through D3, whereas in RoS if I want to make a new character I just get somebody to powerlevel me because 1-70 sucks so fucking much now. Also, the game wasn't all balanced around sets. Maybe there were the same number of "optimal" builds, but it felt like there were a lot more viable builds back in vanilla, because you didn't ABSOLUTELY NEED to build around taking advantage of whatever pre-determined set bonuses were available to your class. This is something I really do not like about Diablo 3's online-only approach. People talk about "when the servers go down" or "what if I have my laptop on a plane" or whatever, but my biggest complaint wrt online-only, is that I cannot play a pre-2.0 Diablo 3. I would love to play unpatched D3 vanilla on my own, in the same way that I can go back and play Diablo 2 vanilla on, like, 1.03 or something if I don't feel like building all my characters around synergies.
Well i played not the very vanilla, but still a rather "old" Version and the first 2-3 Run through were super easy, but kinda slow (played Barb at that time, but didn't even got to 60)
I dont see why people hated powerleveling, you dont have to do it. Powerleveling was a thing in D2 as well, probably even more potent. I remember doing 10 cow level runs got me from level 1-85 ish, and cow level runs were like 3-5 minutes max.
MrLlamaSC Thanks for replying, but I bought diablo 2 today and my mouse is really laggy 25fps in single player even in pluggy. Do you think I should reinstall windows? Or is there any specific settings that I'm missing? I've tried almost everything.
Been playing D2 since June 2000. Seen a lot of changes over years. And I couldn't agree more with you about D3. Like you. D2 has kept me coming back for 16+ years. Hell, I still have all my Bnet accounts. The only thing that gives D3 a little excitement - is playing HC. That's it. Seldom Play D3 anymore.
you have immunity amulets like mara's (poison immune and heals instead) Also when you talk about the fact that you enjoy swaping gear for a certain situation you are not really talking about D2, because in D2 the inventory space is too limited for "sideboarding"...you can barely save runes and gems and pieces of gear for runewords/craft. When you say this it feels like you are comparing D3 with Plugy (which is not D2) in the situational gear saving stash.
Diablo 2 > Path of exile > diablo 3 path of exile has no atmosphere so it's inferior to diablo 2 .. Diablo 2 with resolution around 1280x760 would be awesome , but it's illegal .. I understand that 1920x.. . could ust spoil the game
As a person coming from D2 it was the most shocking thing to find out that in D3 you don't have an option to progress your character based on personality.
In D3, you had the real money auction house. You could just spend a couple of thousand dollars IRL cash to deck your char up. This option was kind of missing in D2. So one problem was that you needed to play the game D2 in order to obtain items.
single elements immunity in monsters sounds like a great idea in paper, but it makes the problem of fishing even more annoying to top players. They would just go into a gr with their best build which deals fire dmg, and then find out that the mobs are fire immune so they quit and start "fishing" effectively adding another element to an already deep pool.
i would share some of your sentiments. I love D3 a lot but I do admit that there is just too much limitations. I jump from 1 class to another to feel some sort of change in the gameplay. It kinda feels... monotonous if you stick to just 1 class for too long
Hey guys, do you know any mod that will give me more space to store items without changing the game too much? Cuz I had one but it made my necro sooo fkin OP that I deleted the mod and the necro and started a new one...
I see.. by the way, does the countess drop more runes if you kill her on players 8 let's say? also, do you have Skype? 😁cuz I spent like an hour running her on players 8 with my necro and she dropped 0 runes which was devastating lmfao
Countess has a very weird drop setting, but essentially ONLY run her on players 1. Anything above that only decreases her chance to drop multiple runes.
I think sets should be limited to 2/3 items. With an optional legendary set item being a 3rd/4th item that drastically changes the way that set would interact with other sets. Something like that... Haven't thought this through :P
I feel like the gear part is only for the sorc and stuff like barbarian is extremely gear dependent Diablo 3 makes it easier to get items to make every build viable
The sorc and the necro are points where D3 strengths as well as its weaknesses show. The strengths are obvious but I feel that the weaknesses are in the play style. There's not real difference in how the demon hunter, the wizard, the necro and the monk handle. In a sense the WOW wizard and the D2 wizard are unique. They have teleport abilities that blow away the other classes. I also tend to imagine pitch meetings. There had to be a point when hopes were shattered in the development team when they realized that the D3 wizard was going to have the WOW mage kit. Ice beam, arcane....
Sure, niched builds wouldn't work with their specific runewords or uniques. But "normal" builds in D2 wouldn't go to total shit if one of your items broke or was under powered, nor does D3 have niche builds at all. That's saying something about D3. I mean no disrespect. Hope you have an excellent day. Fuck
yeah ik, no niche builds = fail. In D3, all the build variety is so minor that each class is basically a build. not only that but from what i have played the customization of spells is nearly an aesthetic preference with minor effects.
Really great analysis. I just watched your "how to start a sorc from scratch" video, and all that video did was give a general guide (wasn't really a guide...) to which pieces you used along the way and why they were helpful. And in general, D2 guides discuss the stat priorities you need on your character, and lets you find the pieces to fill in those gaps. But the best in slot lists are complicated, because it takes a long time to find them, so the guides are much more detailed in describing the balance you need to find. In comparison to D3 2.X guides, which spell everything out, with almost no decision-making necessary. However, I totally agree that immediately after hitting 70 in D3 is extremely fun. I'd go as far as to say it's probably the most fun diablo experience to-date. At that point, legendaries are rare, and each one has such powerful effects that you find yourself swapping out your entire set of skills around that item. And you immediately feel the difference in power. You get a frequent dose of power increase, and it becomes addicting. This can only exist in D3 because of how easily you can change skills and because legendaries are tied to skills. So to me, the main problem with D3 is how powerful the set bonuses are. If there were no sets, and you just adapted your skills based on your legendaries, I'd enjoy D3 for more than a couple of weeks every season.
You ever tried torchlight 2? I know people said that it died, but i thought that it's cheap and i had lots of fun with it. It was 20 dollars when it came out and they were made by some of the D2 devs.
Unfortunately, D3 basically was so bad at launch, that in RoS they had to remake it as a dumbed down repetitive console game. In the ARPG scene, it seems like it is in at least 3rd place behind Path of Exile and Grim Dawn. Some folks like Torchlight 2 more, but I haven't played that so I don't know.
In Diablo 3 if you don't have the boots you lose 2m dmg but you can easily find the boots you need so you don't need to worry about. And you say "if I lose this piece of gear". You cannot lose any piece of gear in Diablo 3. I have played the game for a lot of seasons and never lost a single item that was important for me.
They did simplify the game as far as mechanics and spells and stuff. I kinda like it like that tbh. Its kind of more like an arcade game type thing than a strategy game.
coming from someone who is highly ranked in several different classes on diablo III, I actually agree with alot of what lama said. The biggest thing that I love and miss about d2 is the ambience. it's dark and gritty and almost always makes you feel uncomfortable. As far as the gear goes with d3, yes nothing is truly rare you are just looking for first the right rolled stats of that gear, then the ancient rolled correctly vrs. then the primal ancient vrs of that gear. the rarity of the gear comes from getting the correct rolls. if you put enough time into an item in d3 you can almost always obtain the primal vrs of that item. that is not the same with d2 (for instance tyreals might). ..................... so it sounds like I prefer d2 then why am I playing d3? the reason is the team aspect and the mechanics. It truly takes time to get mechanically good at some builds and make decisions as a team to progress higher and higher. that is the aspect that brings me back to d3.
Yeah that's true but it's nice when there's at least a little bit of excitement when things drop. For instance in D2 I'm currently grinding to farm a Monarch Shield and an Ethereal Elite Armor with 0 sockets. On the way to looking for those though I have found cool things like: High runes (super exciting/rare!) Eth Cryptic Axes to roll for sockets 6os PBs Rare Diadems/Circlets that could have GG stats better than any unique Rare rings/ammys Etc... There are so many NON unique/set items that are awesome to find and exciting that it makes me actually care to look at loot and get excited about things. D3 just didn't have this because it was just searching for that specific legendary and that was it.
I've played d2 lod from v1.08 to 1.13 ..love the game to death. I catch myself re-downloading it every 2 years or so just to grind a sin up to 95-96 on ladder..can't say enough good things about that game!!
This is pretty old, but i agree with you on everything one of the reasons i dropped of d3 was because of everything being so repetitive and just going to the next rift was hunting down gear. I am pretty casual player and i manage to get to tier 80 rift without much effort . But it got reaallly reallly boring spamming skills you pretty much switch between them, necro was fun to play for a while tough.
I heard a lot saying d2 was just nostalgia, not that good. As someone played since D1, played a lot D2 but eventually stopped, with D2R released now, I can finally conclude, no it's far from being only nostalgia.
llama spitting that knowledge. you shouldn't have to play a game all the way through for it to be fun. it should just be fun and that alone should make u want to play till the end.
The major problem with D3 in my mind is that D3 and the first expansion are different games. In orignal D3 gold had value, sets were not really needed. In the orignal mainly people were using yellows and you had to balance survival with damage. I still loved going through with my friends and getting item level 63 weapons and being so excited because they were greatly improving our damage as we pushed through orignal torment. It's really to bad that there is no option to play "orignal d3" with an auction house. The xpac introduced all the issues with bloated item drops. The game also changed over from survival and damage to mainly just damage, you just blow stuff up before it can hit you. A few things they did do right, is at the right difficulty monster types matter. Early Grift/rift pushing used to farm for an easy set of monsters like zombies. Also I think that the "elective mode" option should have been locked to enabled always, having something limit your ability choices makes the game feel a little better and makes your choices matter a little more. This could have helped spells to stand out and be different.
Theres this awsome mod for diablo 2 Called median xl ultamitive. You can costom build items Classes have all new skill tree's that play differently. Uber levels are scattered throughout the game. Several new gem types. Secrets are everywhere. Crafting has been upgraded. Stash is bigger. The H cube is a second inventory. Its all balenced nicely. And a very easy install.
You are required to have set piece x/y/z and they define how your skills work. without them you cannot have the +500% multiplier to handle anything beyond like GR 25. and the only way to get stronger is not to find a better piece of gear cause you CANNOT replace it. you have to find that same piece of gear with better stats. let those better stats be ancient or primal or whatever it still requires you to say unless this gear has this name its never going to be useful. and that just sucks
yay my name popped up :D I thought I heard tese before lol. Was watching this at work and forgot to follow earlier and end up doing it during this recap.
I agree 100% with everything you say in this video. I still had a lot of fun with D3 tho, after a few major patches + addon, I liked the grind. But that doesn't change the fact that D2 is better.
For D3:RoS it seems intentional to have a game that is very accessible for general public, people who will buy the game, play for roughly a week or two and then move to another game. After playing Vanilla (sold 1 item for 100€ so I've got my money for the game back :) i kinda lost interest, picked up RoS couple weeks ago just because i was bored. Started seasonal character (HC), got to T12 rifts in about a week or so and then got bored as i saw no reason to play further. So, 30€ for 2 weeks of fun, still good fun per buck ratio.
i havent played d3 yet but since u didnt mention these ill add what i think sounds really bad about it: -4 player parties instead of 8 -no option to pvp
ye the lags that would come with 8 players obviously could be avoided if they didnt make animations as flashy they really like flashy animations nowadays - retards seem to like the surface of games...but then again most of them play a game like 8 hours and then never look at it again
Is there something like a community that still plays Diablo 2 actively? I never played this game before but I just bought it because I really like how the game looks in comparison to the new Diablo. Some guys told me though that I should play it together with other people so it would be much more fun
hm yeah.. In my opinion if Blizzard instead of releasing D3 made HD textures for D2 the community would appreciate that more:) In my opinion, they spent 60% of time on auction house and when that blew up, the 40% although surprisingly good just wasnt up to anything really:)
Are you saying that 60% of the development went towards creating the RMAH? Ill bet it took 2 weeks or less to program / design art the entire thing if they did it from scratch. Its a spreadsheet with minimal graphics.
If that is true, and I take into account what kind of game D3 is - I dont really understand what Jay Wilson was doing for five years of developing the game:) In my mind, if they screwed the AH from the beginning, D3 could have been bigger then D2 in all ways - but it wasnt was it;)
Well there are alot of factors why D3 had a bad rep from the get go. The hardcore players loved the difficulty, the casuals hated it. It became increasingly easier over time with nerfs. People look at things that "fail" and dont look for reasons why, they just blame the game itself. I have no idea what Jay Wilson did to piss anyone off. Also, D3 was bigger than D2 to many people, dont forget about them.
I've played D3 since beta without taking a break and I absolutely agree with you man. I played D1 and D2 religiously back in their prime years and D3 really comes nowhere close to them.
Thank you so much! I watched a lot of comparions between the two games and yours just feels right and is on point!!! You say, what a lot of people/gamers think (deep in their little gamer hearts).
Multipliers in gear is a bandaid the devs added right after the d3 xpack and it became a curse. They need to multiply more and more each season cause the current players got addicted to the increase in damage and being able to do a GR higher than last season. Really wish it was never added in the first place and the devs have founded other ways to keep players interested =/
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I can't emphasize enough the point on loot. Torchlight was the same. Tons and tons of items dropping all over the place, and it is all garbage. And since gold is pointless in these games, you soon realize it isn't even worth picking items to even sell, so you end up ignoring 99% of the entire item system. Which begs the question, why even have the items drop in the first place?
Leveling feels just as bland and boring as well. Everything is scaled so you level up and get stronger, and your enemies automatically level up with you. Which again, questions why you are leveling up at all.
You could remove item drops, attributes, and leveling from these modern arpg's and the experience wouldn't change. It is an illusion of older game mechanics which exist purely because tradition, because "well that is what these games are supposed to do". You go through the motions, but none of it is having an actual impact.
What we lost from older games is these complex game systems and mechanics. It is like another comment said, there was so much depth to D2 beneath the surface. You could play the game for years and still learn something you didn't know about. And people did play it for years. Modern games, in an attempt to become more accessible, have stripped so much that what is left is only interesting for a few moments before boredom sets in. It is like moving from chess to tic-tac-toe. Sure, tic-tac-toe is more accessible, but you've experienced pretty much everything it has to offer after a few games. While chess has been played for centuries, with deep lines of opener analyzing, moves and games named after influential players, communities forming around the game, entire collection of books written about it, a competitive scene, etc.
The ironic part is that there is a greater demand more than ever before for games to last a long time. Some developers look at 10 year plans. Not to mention the growing e-sports scene. And yet the more streamlined and accessible they make games, the harder it is to maintain interest. You can't have it both ways, you can't push out a tic-tac-toe game and expect it to have a history like chess.
Well said.
Like loot in d2 is really that much better. Think about it. We all want that enigma, HoTo, 35fcr Spirit, griffons eye, etc... Sure good loot in d2 is much more rare and you do not have this +50000% damage and multipliers etc. Sets in d2 is crap, the vendors are meaningless beyond act 2 normal basically, and so on.
the majority of gold was invensting in to the rng nature for BiS gear in torchlight.
This is why you should gatekeep what you love. Inclusivity only waters something down until there is no taste left.
Well said, yes.
Modern games have that tic-tac-toe model to push out sequels every 2-3 years, its just corporate greed, and studios need it to survive unless everyone changes it.
With D2 Resurrected coming soon it wold be great to revisit this video.
I'm sure it would get many hits.
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D2 feels like an rpg. D3 is more like an actionpacked slotmachine
I know you said it 2 years ago, but in 2018 we learned that D3 was really the precursor to Diablo Immortal + mobile monetization. This only makes Alex's assessment of D2 vs D3 even more enlightened than we thought :p
@@terp02Andrew that doesn't make sense now that D4 is coming out
@@terp02Andrew Diablo 3 wasn't planned in order for Diablo Immortal to come out, that's just silly. No one goes into that long of a dev process to then release a game with the purpose of leading the fans into a mobile version.
Very good explanation
I had a borderline existential crisis by the time I hit like 6-700 paragons in D3. Everything was moving so fast and so forgettable. I was like, "Why am I even doing this? None of this feels like it matters.."
Try playing it now.
You can hit paragon 500 in 2 days.
I just finished getting the seasonal set and some legendareis and I’m already doing 10s of trillions of damage.
Does it make you happy, though?
100% agree, I've been playing D2 again and it's still awesome. You def inspired me to reinstall it
your description of spells and how they feel was spot on and the main reason i stopped playing d3.
it's like d2 playing compares to rockclimbing.. you have to check for a good route, look for all the edges you can get and know when to go for a grip or set your feet in a better position. d3 playing is like pulling yourself up on a rope. no matter what you do or how hard you pull.. it's not diverse or demanding. you are just going up.. and nothing else
I heard some people thought Diablo II was just clicking and repetitive. But that is far from the case. While playing the game, you have to pause and make decisions constantly. You need inventory management skills to balance the potions, charms and extra spaces to pick up gears. You need a mental hash table to quickly scan the loot so you know what to pick and what to give up. You need knowledge about breakpoints of FCR/FHR/FBR, so you can mix and match your gear and leave some space for MF. You need to know the strength of different mobs and just run away in certain circumstances.
I think a beautiful game will always make you uncomfortable at some time. The first time I sold a Unique because I have no space left, I was miserable. But only by conquering the uncomfortable and come to terms with the game, you can actually fall in love with the game. That's why I feel modern games are way too user friendly and streamlined, you pick it up and you let it go, because you didn't even think actively, you just follow the leads of the developers, they decided what was best for you, and you didn't even care.
Those are good points I'll probably use in the future. There's definitely a lot more stuff that you want to be aware of and decisions to be made just about everything.
Thank you for saying this so perfectly. It's a beautiful, special game and I too felt the love of that world
Knowledge of breakpoints is a good thing for the game? LOL. In this game 35% FCR is not better than 30% FCR. That's a flaw of the game engine, nothing more. That's not a plus for the game. That's a negative. A player should never be required to know what's going on "under the hood" in order to play the game successfully. 31%, 32%, 33%, 34% FCR should be better than 30% FCR in a decently programmed game.
You don't need to know that stuff to be successful? 12 year old me made it through the game fine before I even knew looking stuff up on the internet was a thing (I ran a fucking necro wielding a bow, for god's sake). Also tons of extremely successful games use increments in their systems, it isn't a flaw in design; it's a _type_ of game design (Monster Hunter is a recent example I'm going with here, which is a very successful and world renowned ARPG franchise). To just write off an intentional design choice as a game engine flaw just because you don't particularly like it is silly at best and intellectually dishonest at worst, when the system clearly works fine for many different games.
Players aren't required to know this to do fine in the game (In D2 or Monster Hunter, conversely). It's entirely optional, and knowing something more about a game over your fellow player _should_ be something that gives you an edge in any game, in just about every genre. Both the games mentioned here rely a lot more on the skill of the player than the bonuses they bring to the table. It's like getting upset at someone for knowing an official monopoly rule that you haven't heard of before, just because you never read them and it just screwed you over. So no, it isn't a negative thing. Many _many_ people enjoy this type of system, so speak for yourself.
I know this comment is 4 years old but I'd just like to point out that nothing you said takes away from the fact that it really is just about clicking on enemies. Everything else is there just to further facilitate more clicking on tougher enemies. It's a perfectly valid critique. The combat is shallow and all the depth lies in managing numbers. And idk how you could even remotely argue that the game isn't repetitive. Seems to me like you're portraying questionable mechanics and design decisions as being good things just to point fingers at modern games for not falling into some of the same traps. Like really? User convenience is a bad thing? Playing D2 from the perspective of a newer player I see why people like it, but its flaws are so incredibly obvious without nostalgia goggles or Stockholm syndrome. A lot of arguments in its defense often seem to boil down to
>new game bad, old game good
Just the colors used on diablo 3 and the cartoonish animation makes me don't wanna play it
lol
Agreed
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I, for one, really love the colors of Diablo 3. I like the darker atmosphere of the older games but ironically, I get more of a nostalgic vibe when I play Diablo 3 over the original two. The colors really remind me of my favorite show as preteen/teen (and still one of my favorites), Avatar: The Last Airbender, as well as one of my favorite games of all time, Total Annihilation: Kingdoms. Thus when I play the game, I just get this really heavy nostalgic vibe that I absolutely love.
Granted, I may be a bit biased as Diablo 3 was my first time playing a Diablo game (and my second time playing an ARPG; my first was Drakensang Online), and I haven't played Diablo 2 yet. I did get the first game running via a virtual drive but haven't been able to buy D2 (mostly because I'm not about to pay $20 to play a 19-year-old game that hasn't received updates in years). However, I don't think I'm biased that much since I really do enjoy the first game so far.
I’m trying to play it now and it’s so hard not to compare the game to d2 at every fucking moment haha. I think d2 was made for adults and d3 was made for kids. There’s no grit to the game...no soul
The atmosphere and music are leaps and bounds ahead of D3. D3 reminds me of some weird anime-ish nonsense. No creepy vibes at all.
All my friends which played Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 came back to D2 recently. Overall you could say that Diablo 3 is just a realization of too many inappropriate ideas...but hey, at least it runs on multiple platforms so it can sell better. This game will never be immortal like Diablo 2 which, I can bet, was created with joy and excitement.
Have you tried D3 since ROS came out? The number and quality of improvements made to the game say a lot about the team that was working on D3. Pretty sure there was joy and excitement there too.
TotesMcGoats game is dead.
no its not, it has more concurrent players than Path of Exile that many players call the "Killer of Diablo 3" which, by the way is a stupid way to describe a game.
I played probably 800 hours of d3 over the years and I agree with you on every point. I played D2 on release day and spent thousands of hours on it and it is still fun.
I'd like to add that the art style and being limited to only playing with 4 people were also huge negatives for me.
The more I paly Diablo 3 the more I realize they dind't improve on anything.
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In a technical sense they improved on it, with higher screen resolution. But the art style is purely subjective and I don't hink they improved it.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, the texture resolution is quite low in D3. And the graphics didn't evolve, it's clearly a completely different art style.
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What do you mean with evolve?
That they are evolved on a technical scale, or that they evolved from the graphical style of d2?
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I'd say the latter is false, D2 strived for a realistic grounded look (armor designs were still fantasy but fairly grounded)
D3 obviously strive to emulate the art style of Warcraft with a painted aesthetic and exaggerated proportions, both in character design, armor and weapon design, and architectural design. It clearly didn't evolve from D2.
Wether this is good or bad is completely subjective.
Interestingly, what you said about the skills all blending together and becoming a spam of nonesense really applies to Maplestory as well. Old school Maplestory was defined by having a small number of skills that each class wielded. So warriors felt and played a lot different from mages or archers. Now, almost all classes have some insane mobbing skill they spam that's pretty similar to everyone else's insane mobbing skill while they user their version of flying or zooming around the map.
D3 feels abit like a casino, alot of blinking lights and numbers. But at the end only thing that matters is you come out with more than you went in with.
u always lose money in casinos tho
Trying to find anything worthy among rare items in Vanilla D3 was the most disappointing experience I ever had.
D3 left a bad taste in my mouth..
10:10 however In d2 it is super fun to make a WW asn or wearbear barb, right? Also some builds in D2 are really not viable without certain item (Light sorc without infinity comes to mind)
Have you tried Path of Exile, it's closer to d2 than d3 is and I find the crafting system and build diversity insane...
Yep I played some POE, it was a lot of fun. Haven't touched it in a while though!
Ok, I said that because I used to enjoy d2 a lot and d3 turned me off so hard... I then tried poe and liked it, but nothing more, but that was 2 years ago. They kept on adding to the game since then and I have to say that the last expansion Atlas of Worlds is sick...
Yeah was about to mention POE Lama. I really like your youtube channel and if I had time to watch you stream I would for sure subscibe + donate, you make some great content dude :)
I feel that the Atlas of world expansion is the best content they made to POE so far. Very great endgame which is challenging and motivating to move towards.
thx, appreciate it.
i love everything you said, in d3 its your gear, your character never actually gets better, which is funny because according to the lore your character is supposed to be like the most powerful thing ever.
Yeah... Monster resistances were awesome... I can still very vividly remember when I first met my Phisical Resistance monster.. as a barbarian... I was like...WHAT? I literally cannot kill that... And realised I have to just leave that monster behind.
Compared to D3, where (if at all) you have the zodiac amulet (or ring, I don't remember), that changes dmg bonus after time, and rotates constantly, was the only impactful decisionmaking in terms of elemental dmg.
With the necro, they started to add in somewhat different builds, but because of dmg being multiplicative in D3, it's literally impossible to balance anything. So it became their demise.
I use to be all about diablo 3 for the longest time and no one could convince me otherwise. Now I recently bought diablo 2 again to take a stroll down memory lane and I find myself not clicking the diablo 3 icon anymore on the desktop. Diablo 2 for sure is one of the most iconic games ever made and I think it will be for awhile still.
I found an Ist rune today from countess run. Just wanted to share that while watching random Llama videos. Cheers!
Basically he doesn't like having more progression in the endgame, he just wants a maximum cap of monster HP and damage. Personally, I'd much rather have continued progression than 10,000 more f***ing Meph runs, like seriously.
And a lot of his complaints other than that are also true in D2, which ultimately makes me think he just likes chewing on the member berries. "Most of the gear is garbage and utterly ignored." Sounds ALOT like D2, and at least in D3 it can actually fit in your bag.
Liking rerolling charms for a 1 in 10bajillion chance of getting something good is... well difficult to understand.
I also can't possibly understand how he would find the combat in D2 better than in D3. Like... spamming 1 ability over and over while ignoring monsters that are immune to that ability is apparently more interesting than more contemporary concepts like CD management and movement, but what do I know.
Look, to each their own. I've played both, and I just wish they made D3 LOOK more like D2. The combat and reward systems (post Loot 2.0) make D3 a significantly more polished and rewarding experience in my opinion. D2 is literal torture after you kill Hell Baal for the first time.
I know this is an old comment on an even older video, but I honestly couldn't agree with you more. D2 was great, played d2r a ton. But the only thing I find myself missing while playing D3 is the aesthetic. Other than that, D3 is far more enjoyable. Here's to hoping D4 gets the mix of both games right.
couldn't get in d3...At release it was absolute garbage...than with ROS and rifts it got me hooked for about 3 months...quit around rifts 120... two things for me: loot and the look. look was too fantasy. And loot was pre set build you had to have every piece to progress...so no custumization...Just taking the example of shako in the vid here ..u could replace it with crown of ages to be a tank or with a rare circlet, or with nightwing ect.....and still be around the same power lvl.
So how do i get 10 grift higher? same exact gear but with higher rolls and higher rolls..hey lets get it primal....nooo but but there is also an ancient one after that with +10000 intelligence... think in latest patches they even added stuff after ancient primal lolll where does this end...
doing thousands than millions than billions, than numbers l cant even say so high they are...the exponantial power progression with pre set gear choices was bad.
And honestly on d2 part if ur doing the same thing over and over its ur choice. Played alot of that game and never did the same thing over and over ....there is 5 acts with lots of zones to farm...Lo runes drop from normal mobs at begining of hell...all this farm this place 10000 times isn't true if you dont want to ...liberty...the new added terror zones are also a good positive.
Diablo 3 is a fun game, the multiplicative build style is what i dont like.
The set bonus multiplicative build is SO stupid.
Makes build diversity shit garbage
Not to mention the art style. Very dark and evil with D2, even the picking phase when you choose your character, dark and gritty. D3 was more colorful and blocky like WOW or StarCraft 2. There was just a more realistic tone to D2 where as it feels like D3 is more cartoony. Also, 4 players vs 8 on D2, and you could have your companion with you. It was more chaotic with 8 people and companions running around. D2 also has 1 more character class than D3 does; more variety is a good thing. I agree with you on D3 getting boring late game. I went back to D2 for that same reason. D2 = Better in every way. (I also think StarCraft was better than the second. Same thing.) Blizzard for me has been going downhill for a while. Blizzard North is what made the company what it is today and they're gone. Haven't played really anything blizzard lately accept the old stuff.
Exactly, i loved the dark feeling around diablo II, same with Starcraft I... Also the story got u more with that kind of feeling imo.. Anyways Starcraft II did a lot better job compared to Diablo III as a successor but it was still kinda meeeeh even tho i enjoyed Wings of Liberty story, i think it was decent. The others expansions were meeeh... But in the end of a day i think Blizzard fucked up D3 really hard like realllllllllly hard. All they had to do is bring same (better) mechanics.. Keep the dark tone of the game and few new stuff.... I think they pushed it too quickly and thought about income only.. D3 is so fucking colorful and childish ffs.. Im playing it for 3 days and im already sick of it. I could play D2 nonstop and it was still fun
Really old comment but I agree for the most part. I love Starcraft 1 and 2 for different reasons, but they play differently enough from one another that the only thing really tying them together are the races you play and some of the mechanics. The same could be said for D2-D3. Like Starcraft 2, D3 seemed to focus more on break-neck speed/action, whereas the primary focus of Starcraft 1 and D2 were thoughtful decision making (At least, until you get into 8 man MP mode in D2).
I mean they might as well both be their own franchise, I feel they're different enough to be considered entirely new IPs, but that's just my 2 cents.
The problem with D3's skill system is that they literally just took it Warcraft 3's hero system, that mini-RPG element that stacked into and otherwise RTS game. D3 just screams Warcraft way too much in every negative way possible.
D2 did so much right, it's hard to see it all clearly to articulate what makes it so enjoyable and replayable.
Diablo 2 was made purely from love. The graphics, the game dynamics just everything is perfect. It was a perfect game.
Gems not having a level requirement in D3 was pretty strange to me especially with how easy they were to duplicate and upgrade.
You did a vid about this before (can't find it)... why new vid? did you remove old vid?
I've said this in other places but i truly feel what was the biggest downfall of D3 was infact WoW. The instant loot for 'epics' in raiding, esp the way WoW became prior to d3 launch is what ruined the mfing that D2 created. D3 is an instant gratification game in its current stat. Oddly this is what the community asked for after vanilla D3 b/c, wait for it, vanilla D3 was too hard to gear. No one wanted to put in time it took to find things, which in retrospect was a complete crap shoot when compared to D2.
I believe my expectations were too high for d3. Totally agree that the exponential dmg and balance was off the whole time. Removing crit chance and crit damage would have probably saved it.
I was really trying to like d3 and the diablo community is correct after doing research. Blizzard basically stole diablo from blizzard north. D3 is a f disgrace
mr Lama were you named fluffylamas in wow?
I really missed the classes from D2 (especially the Assassin... death sentry is my fav!). I found it hard to find a game and log on. Kept making me wait.
3:40 and 7:44 could not be more spot on. So few viable choices of builds, it’s all just math. Also, you can casually grind a build for 2 weeks or so, and after that, you need to generate hundreds of the same item in order to progress by getting ancient plus the 4 specific item attributes you need. Takes soooooo much time to get any sort of meaningful upgrade after a month, and no satisfaction from a good drop or runeword, and endgame is heavily dependent on fishing. Who has that kind of time?
Between D2 and D3 I liked D3 witch doctor for summons were able to gain more power and not capped leaving them in the dust at higher levels.
funny enough I hated the design of the witch doctor more than anything in the game but he was the most fun to play out of all the classes for me. d3 sucks though
Have you tried Grim dawn?
I recommend you to play either Titan Quest or Grim Dawn, both from the Crate Entertainment and is the closest thing you can have to a modern Diablo 2 plus they dont have preset class, instead you can choose to be a pure class or mix 2 classes; the possibility of builds are endless.
Aren’t all Diablo’s equipment dependent when playing harder difficulties?
Honestly, aside from the auction house, I think D3 vanilla was better. It was actually challenging to unlock Inferno if you weren't using the RMAH, and it had a reasonable difficulty curve, instead of the snooze-fest that is RoS's campaign. And it was very much focused on making the experience of playing from 1-60 the "main game" rather than all about end-game rifting with the campaign just being a grind to get through first. I actually enjoyed playing through D3, whereas in RoS if I want to make a new character I just get somebody to powerlevel me because 1-70 sucks so fucking much now.
Also, the game wasn't all balanced around sets. Maybe there were the same number of "optimal" builds, but it felt like there were a lot more viable builds back in vanilla, because you didn't ABSOLUTELY NEED to build around taking advantage of whatever pre-determined set bonuses were available to your class.
This is something I really do not like about Diablo 3's online-only approach. People talk about "when the servers go down" or "what if I have my laptop on a plane" or whatever, but my biggest complaint wrt online-only, is that I cannot play a pre-2.0 Diablo 3. I would love to play unpatched D3 vanilla on my own, in the same way that I can go back and play Diablo 2 vanilla on, like, 1.03 or something if I don't feel like building all my characters around synergies.
Well i played not the very vanilla, but still a rather "old" Version and the first 2-3 Run through were super easy, but kinda slow (played Barb at that time, but didn't even got to 60)
I dont see why people hated powerleveling, you dont have to do it. Powerleveling was a thing in D2 as well, probably even more potent. I remember doing 10 cow level runs got me from level 1-85 ish, and cow level runs were like 3-5 minutes max.
You are so full of shit, Jerstah.
Nikolai Drostdov cool, thanks for your invaluable input on the matter.
Jerstah phucku I am sorry, Jerstah.
How do you smooth the mouse?
Just playing single player normal here. Nothing added for mouse smoothing but it is windowed mode
MrLlamaSC Thanks for replying, but I bought diablo 2 today and my mouse is really laggy 25fps in single player even in pluggy.
Do you think I should reinstall windows? Or is there any specific settings that I'm missing? I've tried almost everything.
Have you tried out Grim Dawn? What are your thoughts about it? If you haven't tried it yet, it's out on Steam and GOG for $25.
Been playing D2 since June 2000. Seen a lot of changes over years. And I couldn't agree more with you about D3.
Like you. D2 has kept me coming back for 16+ years. Hell, I still have all my Bnet accounts.
The only thing that gives D3 a little excitement - is playing HC. That's it. Seldom Play D3 anymore.
So much truth! I actually like Diablo 3, but the reason I'll play 2 over 3 is because of what this man, this llama, has said.
you have immunity amulets like mara's (poison immune and heals instead) Also when you talk about the fact that you enjoy swaping gear for a certain situation you are not really talking about D2, because in D2 the inventory space is too limited for "sideboarding"...you can barely save runes and gems and pieces of gear for runewords/craft. When you say this it feels like you are comparing D3 with Plugy (which is not D2) in the situational gear saving stash.
I mean, practically speaking, everyone on BNet had tons of mules.
Diablo 2 > Path of exile > diablo 3
path of exile has no atmosphere so it's inferior to diablo 2 ..
Diablo 2 with resolution around 1280x760 would be awesome , but it's illegal .. I understand that 1920x.. . could ust spoil the game
hi, do you play D2 in fullscreen mode?
nope I play in an 800x600 window
As a person coming from D2 it was the most shocking thing to find out that in D3 you don't have an option to progress your character based on personality.
In D3, you had the real money auction house. You could just spend a couple of thousand dollars IRL cash to deck your char up. This option was kind of missing in D2. So one problem was that you needed to play the game D2 in order to obtain items.
single elements immunity in monsters sounds like a great idea in paper, but it makes the problem of fishing even more annoying to top players. They would just go into a gr with their best build which deals fire dmg, and then find out that the mobs are fire immune so they quit and start "fishing" effectively adding another element to an already deep pool.
That what a stash is for
"the fist thing was I played the wizard... the game immediately made me go through the story mode before I moved on..." are you talking 2 or 3?
i would share some of your sentiments. I love D3 a lot but I do admit that there is just too much limitations. I jump from 1 class to another to feel some sort of change in the gameplay. It kinda feels... monotonous if you stick to just 1 class for too long
mr lama, what runeword is good for level zealot starting? steel or malice?
Steel until you can use malice
What are your thoughts on Path of Exile? How does it compare to D2 and 3?
played a couple of weeks. it was fun but that was a long time ago. may need to revisit
How do you like Grim Dawn?
Hey guys, do you know any mod that will give me more space to store items without changing the game too much? Cuz I had one but it made my necro sooo fkin OP that I deleted the mod and the necro and started a new one...
Plugy!
I heard it's not updated for 1.14?
nope, have to downgrade to 1.13 or install a new version of 1.13 first to use it sadly
I see.. by the way, does the countess drop more runes if you kill her on players 8 let's say? also, do you have Skype? 😁cuz I spent like an hour running her on players 8 with my necro and she dropped 0 runes which was devastating lmfao
Countess has a very weird drop setting, but essentially ONLY run her on players 1. Anything above that only decreases her chance to drop multiple runes.
I think sets should be limited to 2/3 items. With an optional legendary set item being a 3rd/4th item that drastically changes the way that set would interact with other sets. Something like that... Haven't thought this through :P
Don't sugar coat it man, Diablo 3 is a travesty.
I found D3 to be fun on console+controller but this suits only melee characters.
I feel like the gear part is only for the sorc and stuff like barbarian is extremely gear dependent
Diablo 3 makes it easier to get items to make every build viable
The sorc and the necro are points where D3 strengths as well as its weaknesses show. The strengths are obvious but I feel that the weaknesses are in the play style. There's not real difference in how the demon hunter, the wizard, the necro and the monk handle. In a sense the WOW wizard and the D2 wizard are unique. They have teleport abilities that blow away the other classes. I also tend to imagine pitch meetings. There had to be a point when hopes were shattered in the development team when they realized that the D3 wizard was going to have the WOW mage kit. Ice beam, arcane....
there are some exceptions, like smiter without a shield and dream sorc without dream
Sure, niched builds wouldn't work with their specific runewords or uniques. But "normal" builds in D2 wouldn't go to total shit if one of your items broke or was under powered, nor does D3 have niche builds at all. That's saying something about D3.
I mean no disrespect. Hope you have an excellent day. Fuck
yeah ik, no niche builds = fail. In D3, all the build variety is so minor that each class is basically a build. not only that but from what i have played the customization of spells is nearly an aesthetic preference with minor effects.
my gf couldn't get past act 3.. it was too difficult for her...
This is really good man, I am going to include your tips into my rpg game.
Really great analysis. I just watched your "how to start a sorc from scratch" video, and all that video did was give a general guide (wasn't really a guide...) to which pieces you used along the way and why they were helpful. And in general, D2 guides discuss the stat priorities you need on your character, and lets you find the pieces to fill in those gaps. But the best in slot lists are complicated, because it takes a long time to find them, so the guides are much more detailed in describing the balance you need to find. In comparison to D3 2.X guides, which spell everything out, with almost no decision-making necessary.
However, I totally agree that immediately after hitting 70 in D3 is extremely fun. I'd go as far as to say it's probably the most fun diablo experience to-date. At that point, legendaries are rare, and each one has such powerful effects that you find yourself swapping out your entire set of skills around that item. And you immediately feel the difference in power. You get a frequent dose of power increase, and it becomes addicting. This can only exist in D3 because of how easily you can change skills and because legendaries are tied to skills. So to me, the main problem with D3 is how powerful the set bonuses are. If there were no sets, and you just adapted your skills based on your legendaries, I'd enjoy D3 for more than a couple of weeks every season.
Do you have a discord? or a Diablo 2 Discord?
Yep! discordapp.com/invite/0cdE0TjHEACCSO2L
You ever tried torchlight 2? I know people said that it died, but i thought that it's cheap and i had lots of fun with it. It was 20 dollars when it came out and they were made by some of the D2 devs.
nope never did! Watched it one time, looked cool
Unfortunately, D3 basically was so bad at launch, that in RoS they had to remake it as a dumbed down repetitive console game. In the ARPG scene, it seems like it is in at least 3rd place behind Path of Exile and Grim Dawn. Some folks like Torchlight 2 more, but I haven't played that so I don't know.
In Diablo 3 if you don't have the boots you lose 2m dmg but you can easily find the boots you need so you don't need to worry about. And you say "if I lose this piece of gear". You cannot lose any piece of gear in Diablo 3. I have played the game for a lot of seasons and never lost a single item that was important for me.
They did simplify the game as far as mechanics and spells and stuff. I kinda like it like that tbh. Its kind of more like an arcade game type thing than a strategy game.
ah the memory . . . fire/ice sorcerer lvl ~60 last difficult setting act 1 Elite Zombie immunity to Fire and Cold . . . Oh . . . well then . . .
coming from someone who is highly ranked in several different classes on diablo III, I actually agree with alot of what lama said. The biggest thing that I love and miss about d2 is the ambience. it's dark and gritty and almost always makes you feel uncomfortable. As far as the gear goes with d3, yes nothing is truly rare you are just looking for first the right rolled stats of that gear, then the ancient rolled correctly vrs. then the primal ancient vrs of that gear. the rarity of the gear comes from getting the correct rolls. if you put enough time into an item in d3 you can almost always obtain the primal vrs of that item. that is not the same with d2 (for instance tyreals might). ..................... so it sounds like I prefer d2 then why am I playing d3? the reason is the team aspect and the mechanics. It truly takes time to get mechanically good at some builds and make decisions as a team to progress higher and higher. that is the aspect that brings me back to d3.
good insight, and that's an area I didn't get into much myself (Team play and pushing) that I would maybe enjoy more
how can i run d2 in 1.13
"there's so much stuff, but nothing matters" that describes a lot of games pretty well, its all about that addicting mindless grinding...
Yeah that's true but it's nice when there's at least a little bit of excitement when things drop. For instance in D2 I'm currently grinding to farm a Monarch Shield and an Ethereal Elite Armor with 0 sockets. On the way to looking for those though I have found cool things like:
High runes (super exciting/rare!)
Eth Cryptic Axes to roll for sockets
6os PBs
Rare Diadems/Circlets that could have GG stats better than any unique
Rare rings/ammys
Etc...
There are so many NON unique/set items that are awesome to find and exciting that it makes me actually care to look at loot and get excited about things. D3 just didn't have this because it was just searching for that specific legendary and that was it.
I've played d2 lod from v1.08 to 1.13 ..love the game to death. I catch myself re-downloading it every 2 years or so just to grind a sin up to 95-96 on ladder..can't say enough good things about that game!!
When Diablo 3 came out it was incredible difficult. Kripparian was the only one in the world who managed to defeat Diablo in hell hardcore
You should try Median XL on Diablo 2, I think you'd like it, it's amazing.
It's a whole different Diablo 2..
Tried it! I have a few videos of me playing it on YT
This is pretty old, but i agree with you on everything one of the reasons i dropped of d3 was because of everything being so repetitive and just going to the next rift was hunting down gear. I am pretty casual player and i manage to get to tier 80 rift without much effort . But it got reaallly reallly boring spamming skills you pretty much switch between them, necro was fun to play for a while tough.
I heard a lot saying d2 was just nostalgia, not that good. As someone played since D1, played a lot D2 but eventually stopped, with D2R released now, I can finally conclude, no it's far from being only nostalgia.
llama spitting that knowledge. you shouldn't have to play a game all the way through for it to be fun. it should just be fun and that alone should make u want to play till the end.
Yep, that was a big disappointment for me. Having to wait to have fun.
The major problem with D3 in my mind is that D3 and the first expansion are different games. In orignal D3 gold had value, sets were not really needed. In the orignal mainly people were using yellows and you had to balance survival with damage. I still loved going through with my friends and getting item level 63 weapons and being so excited because they were greatly improving our damage as we pushed through orignal torment.
It's really to bad that there is no option to play "orignal d3" with an auction house.
The xpac introduced all the issues with bloated item drops. The game also changed over from survival and damage to mainly just damage, you just blow stuff up before it can hit you.
A few things they did do right, is at the right difficulty monster types matter. Early Grift/rift pushing used to farm for an easy set of monsters like zombies.
Also I think that the "elective mode" option should have been locked to enabled always, having something limit your ability choices makes the game feel a little better and makes your choices matter a little more. This could have helped spells to stand out and be different.
D3 is just a suckfest. Especially on console. And legendary items dont feel special at all when you can literally find and use them at any level
Theres this awsome mod for diablo 2
Called median xl ultamitive.
You can costom build items
Classes have all new skill tree's that play differently.
Uber levels are scattered throughout the game.
Several new gem types.
Secrets are everywhere.
Crafting has been upgraded.
Stash is bigger.
The H cube is a second inventory.
Its all balenced nicely.
And a very easy install.
Gotta say I like both games but starting on d3 then going to d2 there were some features that were very confusing lol
You are required to have set piece x/y/z and they define how your skills work. without them you cannot have the +500% multiplier to handle anything beyond like GR 25. and the only way to get stronger is not to find a better piece of gear cause you CANNOT replace it. you have to find that same piece of gear with better stats. let those better stats be ancient or primal or whatever it still requires you to say unless this gear has this name its never going to be useful. and that just sucks
yay my name popped up :D
I thought I heard tese before lol. Was watching this at work and forgot to follow earlier and end up doing it during this recap.
D3 sux, enigma has hurt D2, but it is way better than D3. Not even close.
Your points are spot on, respect! D2 is immortal and beautiful.
I agree 100% with everything you say in this video. I still had a lot of fun with D3 tho, after a few major patches + addon, I liked the grind. But that doesn't change the fact that D2 is better.
For D3:RoS it seems intentional to have a game that is very accessible for general public, people who will buy the game, play for roughly a week or two and then move to another game.
After playing Vanilla (sold 1 item for 100€ so I've got my money for the game back :) i kinda lost interest, picked up RoS couple weeks ago just because i was bored. Started seasonal character (HC), got to T12 rifts in about a week or so and then got bored as i saw no reason to play further. So, 30€ for 2 weeks of fun, still good fun per buck ratio.
Diablo 2 must have a way bigger fun/$ ratio then.
i havent played d3 yet
but since u didnt mention these ill add what i think sounds really bad about it:
-4 player parties instead of 8
-no option to pvp
ye
the lags that would come with 8 players obviously could be avoided if they didnt make animations as flashy
they really like flashy animations nowadays - retards seem to like the surface of games...but then again most of them play a game like 8 hours and then never look at it again
Yeah d3 felt like it had a mobile game progression system
Is there something like a community that still plays Diablo 2 actively? I never played this game before but I just bought it because I really like how the game looks in comparison to the new Diablo. Some guys told me though that I should play it together with other people so it would be much more fun
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HAHAHAHA, WOW! What a happy coincidence :)))
hm yeah.. In my opinion if Blizzard instead of releasing D3 made HD textures for D2 the community would appreciate that more:) In my opinion, they spent 60% of time on auction house and when that blew up, the 40% although surprisingly good just wasnt up to anything really:)
Are you saying that 60% of the development went towards creating the RMAH? Ill bet it took 2 weeks or less to program / design art the entire thing if they did it from scratch. Its a spreadsheet with minimal graphics.
If that is true, and I take into account what kind of game D3 is - I dont really understand what Jay Wilson was doing for five years of developing the game:) In my mind, if they screwed the AH from the beginning, D3 could have been bigger then D2 in all ways - but it wasnt was it;)
Well there are alot of factors why D3 had a bad rep from the get go. The hardcore players loved the difficulty, the casuals hated it. It became increasingly easier over time with nerfs. People look at things that "fail" and dont look for reasons why, they just blame the game itself. I have no idea what Jay Wilson did to piss anyone off. Also, D3 was bigger than D2 to many people, dont forget about them.
I think we (the pissed off ones) expected it to be the next big thing.. And it just wasnt that..
I've played D3 since beta without taking a break and I absolutely agree with you man. I played D1 and D2 religiously back in their prime years and D3 really comes nowhere close to them.
the only thing in D3 that is objectively better than D2 is the stash. Thats all.
Thank you so much! I watched a lot of comparions between the two games and yours just feels right and is on point!!! You say, what a lot of people/gamers think (deep in their little gamer hearts).
Multipliers in gear is a bandaid the devs added right after the d3 xpack and it became a curse.
They need to multiply more and more each season cause the current players got addicted to the increase in damage and being able to do a GR higher than last season. Really wish it was never added in the first place and the devs have founded other ways to keep players interested =/
D3 reminded me of your average MMORPGs. I never got the D2 "feelings" from it.