It's over...Honda and Nissan are breaking up
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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Honda and Nissan are scrapping their plans to merge into one company. Here's the latest drama coming from Japan between these two automakers.
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Honda would be better off buying it in a bankruptcy sale.
nah nissan doesnt need honda. plus that would turn nissan into a woke company with boring hybrids and evs
@drewdevon2009 Nissan has sold more Leafs than Honda will accumulatively sell of their EVs for a decade. They also sell disproportionately more hybrids(in the US) than Honda does. So are they already woke?😅
@@drewdevon2009very unfortunate take.
@@veganpotterthevegan yeah but at least nissan still makes a lot of gas only vehicles and some sports cars and large vehicles like the armada and the qx80. honda is basically all hybrid only
@drewdevon2009 Honda sells plenty of ICE vehicles. And if you look at worldwide sales, they're probably selling at least quadruple the ICE vehicles than Nissan sells in totality. Keep in mind, Honda sells a massive number of heavily polluting motorcycles. They're not the "woke" business you think they are.
Smart move by Honda.
Nissan has absolutely nothing that Honda needs
I like Nissan's spirit though. Fight it out as your own brand til the end.
Respect to Nissan.
Too bad Nissan didn’t do that before Renault took over in 2001
Honda could have come up with its version of Patrol to compete with Toyota Landcruiser
@@hammadahmed3950 but they have no experience with body-on-frame SUVs. This is one of the factors that made Honda want Nissan.
Honda has made terrible SUV's and Trucks, heck look what Pilot, look at the Ridgeline they were 100% garbage and unreliable, while Nissan Trucks and their Infiniti SUV's like the QX80, the new QX60, etc is blows Acura out of the water.
Now what Honda could have said was, in this merger Honda will own 70% of Nissan and the rest 30% can actually be owned by Nissan, this gives Nissan at least a say in Nissan. Example if they want to produce the next gen Nissan GTR (R36) Honda shouldn't be allowed to say no but have a say on the budget, reliability, etc.
This merger could have 100% benefited Honda greatly because they stink at making good SUV's especially on the luxury side, and we all know they suck at making Trucks. But yet Honda wanted to be a bully and say they want 100% full control of Nissan.
Heck go google VW and Porsche merger in 2011 on paper and on the outside it says VW owns Porsche, but on the inside Porsche has 75% control of it's self and VW chimes on some concerns. Now not saying that Nissan would own 75% of itself on the merger but VW and Porsche is a great example of how to do a merger.
@@DJG37SStrongly disagree. The Ridgeline has been historically reliable no matter what source you look at, and is a great truck for people who don't need a full size work truck capability (and a lot of those people do exist).
Likewise, the pilot has basically always been viewed favorably by the public and reviewers alike. I'm curious where you're getting your data/opinions. Calling Honda SUVs unreliable garbage is a pretty odd take, and this post reads like a Nissan supporter who is angry at Honda, rather than anything based in fact.
Dealership: We are selling our Z with $30k markup. $80k total. I don’t know why we are going bankrupt?
That’s not why. There are idiots out there that bought the cybertruck for 250k. They just didn’t make the car appealing enough. It’s not best in class, the Supra beats it out in almost everything, and I own the damn car (Z). I just didn’t pay the absurd markup, rather I got it at a 12k discount. But I enjoy the shit out of it, which is wheat matters in the end. Nissan never competed with other brands because they never built anything interesting, took way too long to refresh their cars. There is no leadership and direction for the company, which is why they are sinking and will die
@@pauljohnson962transgender z4🏳️⚧️not better then New z especially with the aftermarket world 🌍 ams turbo kit for Z 1000hp plus it not what the car does stock good example is Nissan skyline R34 stock 276hp with aftermarket world 🌎 it will destroy that BMW Z4 no chance in hell!
@@pauljohnson962there are idiots that buy the markup lets keep it at that lol
Nah man that does not exist anymore. I got my car for under MSRP.
@@pauljohnson962 They had best in class but lost money in the 90s. Toyota builds bland and boring cars but they made money because their production system was efficient. Why did Walmart overtake and put Kmart out of business? Because their supply chain logistics and innovation in that aspect of the business that is boring to consumers.
All Ghosn did was reduced the work force and force suppliers to cut prices instead of making it up in productivity and efficiency like Toyota does.
I do hope Nissan doesn’t die. I never thought the merger made sense though.
Nissan is better than they were several years ago especially with getting rid of most of the cvt transmissions and introducing 8 speed automatic transmissions!
@@miketwotwentybut in the new big CUVs, the geared transmission is the ZF 9 speed. Honda used this transmission before but they had to replace it with an in house transmission because the ZF turned out to be unreliable
@@Blank00ZF is extremely unreliable.
Why can't they just let go of jatco?
@@Blank00 Alex and Autos made a review of ZF FWD 9 speed. It's overall design doesn't work well in sudden power need. The mixture of dog clutches and friction. It's fine under light load or constant speeds but a need to merge or pass will make it seem as if it's broken. I can only see this in hybrid setup with an rear e-axel that can continue to give power during switching from dog to friction clutches.
Honda CEO told Nissan CEO to start calling him Boss, no wonder the whole deal is canceled. 😂
ha ha
Nissan is a sinking ship that Honda doesn't need to take on right now. They are headed for certain bankruptcy at this point.
Nissan isn't going to bankrupt, the Japanese government wouldn't let a large company like that happen.
Government protections are a given. They may have lined up enough protection to not want to merge.
@dennisscipio they can go bankrupt with government assistance.
Nissan should come out with an affordable 15k starting 2 door hatchback, offer it with a manual, sales would be amazing (of course the auto version would sell more, but make the auto not a CVT).
@fortheloveofnoise why not make it $10k.
Cars that cheap are long gone in N.America outside of Mexico. They can't make any money selling a car that cheap. The Mazda2/Mirage starts around 20k and they barely make any money on that vehicle. Have you ever been in one? It feels like a Kia from the early 90s.
Nissan tried to negotiate at the meeting but came in with no pants😅
"i guess that concludes negotiations" - Gimli
You mean no lube. Nissan needs a private investor so they can be independent
And left with no underwear
as a longtime fan of Honda; this is good news
Honda has abandoned car enthusiasts. Idk how anyone could like them still. Bland boring appliances with crap powertrains. Zero good cars in the pipeline
@ might have something to do with the fact that enthusiast, however you describe them, are a distinct minority.
@@kevinbarry71and CAFE
@@loki_wolffHondas have better ergonomics than the rivals that sacrifice ergonomics for aesthetics. VW, Hyundai, Kia, and now Nissan are examples.
@@Blank00 I generally agree. But I do think Honda making all their sedans so much lower (and therefore longer) is also a bad trend that accelerates their reduced sales.
The Japanese government should be putting the pressure on Nissan not the other way around.
How does a government put pressure on a failing company?
@@daweigo6851
to probably accept merger
@daweigo6851 By suggesting that they be reasonable in their stance of operational leadership. Who in their right mind would take on a company steamrolling into bankruptcy and allow its management to continue as is.
Honda, for the love of God, you don't need Nissan!
I don't think Nissan was willing to sell off the French like Honda wanted.
Right
nissan doesnt need honda either. in fact id think honda would really run them into the ground for sure. we dont need more boing evs and 4 cyl hybrids
@@drewdevon2009 Buying Nissan would only hurt the quality at Honda.
@@drewdevon2009Nissan sold more EVs than Honda wdym lma9
If Nissan is suspending any merger acquisition's with Honda, throw Jatco in the mix. 🤦🏽♂️
I believe Honda bowed to governmental pressure and initiated 'merger' talks with Nissan. When Honda looked at Nissan's inside numbers, it dismissed any/all talk of mergers. By suggesting a takeover, Honda knew Nissa would refuse. Nissan refused, and Honda could walk away with Bushido satisfied. I think Honda will have little or nothing to do with Nissan.
Honda knew an albatross when it saw one. 🖖🙏
Nissan needs to continue to focus on reducing cost and make cars that consumer's want. Forget the mergers and seeking another anchor investor that is unobtainable.
Stop making garbage cars... nissan is the Japanese chrystler
@@jonc2914 Chrysler only has one vehicle, technically two in their portfolio, unless you're taking about Jeep, Dodge, Ram as well which are now under Stellantis this statement is completely false and comes off as plain ignorant.
Continue to make cars that consumer's want? Isn't that kind of the issue? Their cars are unreliable and poorly made. No one wants them.
Yeah they are heading in the right direction. They essentially need to downsize big time, maybe sell some factories to Honda to get some more capital to take care of some of their debt. Then just focus on their sports cars and body on frame SUVs and make a new Xterra CUV/small SUV. What they really need is a name change though.
@@aeson6294the Hispanic people ❤️ Nissan what are you talking about 😂😂😂
Honda just needs Nissan's body-on-frame trucks/suvs to compete in trucks/full-size SUV markets.
Nissan trucks could never compete to begin with. Why?
@@jonc2914The Frontier is arguably the only good thing they have left. Then again, Honda has the money to easily develop their own truck though, so really they have no reason to acquire Nissan.
I agree that
@Crow12619 they have the ridgeline.
@dank9288639 Not a proper body on frame truck though. More like a ute than anything
As someone working for Nissan I wouldn't mind working under Honda's flag.
Not happening tho
A bunch of conservative leaders, because of some spirit, lost the whole corporation. Japanese corporations, not just Nissan, are at risk of bankruptcy 🤣
Fix your shitty ass automatic transmissions those shits are terrible
@@xlol2429Cvt isn't truly classified as a true automatic.
Throws a wrench in the quest for these brands to make the ultimate CVT lol
Mazda and Subaru have overtaken everyone.......game over.
Subaru😂😂😂😂😂😂😂You’re funny
With Toyota slowly buying more shares. 🤮
You mean mazda subs are shit now.
Mazda cars depreciate half the msrp after two years 😂 because of all the old tech still using a 6 speed autp from the early 2000 and subaru is screw it's fanboys with 50 different type of wrx but no sti. Subaru trying to make there new cvt and claiming it's a sport cvt 😂, plus they want to move into the hybrid/EV soon. Not to mention mazda ruined everything getting rid of mazda speed, now there banking on mazda spirit to help them come backbut ruined everything talking about bring the rotary engine but a EV version 😂😂😂.
There is NOTHING that Nissan has that could benefit Honda. While it’s nice to see a company fight for its independence, Nissan put themselves in this situation.
Nissan just digging its own grave by the day.
That still doesn't mean that Honda should be a D********ck and say you have no say, you will just be a subsidiary of Honda aka little sister of Honda. Say screw that, doesn't matter if you are worst car maker in the world, no one would take that deal.
Honda could have come up with its version of Patrol to compete with Toyota Landcruiser
EV Tech, Honda’s EV tech is booty
Nissan EVs are way better than Honda
No nissan had a lot nissan has cheaper cars, better cars, bigger cars, have more features, bigger screens.
If Nissan would ditch friggin Jatco, they would solve 60 to 80% of their issues!!! People are afraid to buy because of their transmission issues/reputation!! They make great looking cars and decent motors but nobody wants to spend money on a lemon of a transmission! Especially with having a lower cost of entry for a Nissan, most buyers don't have 4 to 6k to throw down ona new transmission every 40 to 60k miles. I miss driving my old nissan and would love to own another, but ditch the damn Jatco Cvt's and you'll find waaaaay more potential buyers.... just my 2 cents...
Jatco is also owned by Suzuki and Mitsubishi.
@andrewnoel5545 All jatco transmissions on the frontiers, Xterra and pathfinders up to 2012-2015 were very reliable and made it to 300k. Outside of those models no thanks except the titans but I don’t know who made those transmissions thou.
I’ve owned 3 frontiers and they gone above 300k my brothers 06 titan is above 400k.
There’s a 07 frontier that made it to 1million miles.
@@reynaldohernandez1425titans where Aisan till 2020 as well I have a 2017 that’s going strong at 170k miles if you take care of the transmission with 60k fluid changes and do a filter every other time they will last …
@@reynaldohernandez1425 the xterra,titan ,etc are traditional automatics from jatco that are fine. While altimas, sentra, etc are front wheel drive cvt from jatco had problems. Granted the cvt gotten better, preferably the low powered 4 cyl models, but now you got nissan's new varible compression engine which is a technological achievement but is unproven and alread has problems.
Subaru had tons of CVT issues around the time Nissan did as well.
But for whatever reason people keep echoing Nissan.
The Japanese goverment should go after the people who run Nissan, not force them to merge with Honda. Bad decision makings are the problem.
National pride clouds sound judgment. Apart from NA and JDM, Japanese vehicle maker not named Toyota in most markets are done.
Suzuki, Honda, and Mitsubishi rule ASEAN, and emerging markets. Japanese ain’t cooked.
@@mrgurulittle7000 Try Europe, Africa and Australia. Chinese have been chowing up their lunch!
@@thabzmad7265 Chinese have garbage QC
nissan wants to be equal to honda after the deal😂
Kirk, Nissan would have done for Honda what a 100 pound anchor would do for a long distance swimmer. 😉
@@chrissetina1107 Nissan will probably receive a massive bailout from the Japanese government and they will flounder onward for a few more years.
As a huge Honda fan, I am so happy about this news. Honda is doing so well in uncertain times. I did not like the idea of Honda trying to do a Nissan rescue mission during this crazy time for the auto industry.
Honda always has rock solid business plans for the future, and Nissan just doesn't. I wish Nissan the best, but I'm glad they won't have the chance to potentially drag Honda into their downward spiral.
That said, I think Nissam could also become a rock solid company. They have lots of potential they just need better management and rock solid plan for their future.
Yeah bud back off Nissan we don't want you Honda boys anywhere near us
Bro it looks like Nissan backed out because Honda wanted Nissan to be a subsidiary…. Which wouldn’t make any sense considering how big Nissan is.
Yes, that is it.
Nissan had a perfect lineup in the 90s and early 2000s, S chassis for entry level, Z for intermediate, Skyline for intermediate and high end. Now we got a fucking nissan leaf and a an overpriced Z that doesn't even come in manual anymore.
Interior design is another area where I would prefer Honda over Nissan nowadays. They are implementing capacitive buttons into their new models, which is bad for ergonomics. I love the interior of the Rogue and Pathfinder because they have the right mix of buttons and screen and I can’t believe that this is now their old design language, but I’m not a fan of the capacitive panels in the Kicks and Murano. I hope the next generation of Hondas like the 12th gen Civic doesn’t jump on that stupid bandwagon, and I hope a last minute addition of physical buttons happens to their Zero lineup.
This is good news. There was not a single thing that made sense of this merger. Even Mitsubishi said forget it. I hope Nissan survives though. I feel like they can pull this off though.
Wonder how much Renault screwed this up.
Renault rescued Nissan. Nissan has been struggling for a looong time
@@Ken-vl4wk I’m talking about the merger you Muppet. Renault said they were fine with the merger so long as they got paid a fair value. They own about 30% of Nissan. I’m sure they were driving these talks more than you realize.
I’m talking about the merger. Renault has no allegiance to the Japanese government, and they could demand a premium price for their shares in Nissan. That was the only unknown prior to announcing this potential merger. My guess is it is a big piece of why this merger failed. Everything Kirk is discussing was public knowledge prior to the announcement.
I really wanted to see a Mitsubishi variant of the Civic or Sentra
Mitsubishi is fed up with Nissan. Nissan screwed them big time. So now they’re working with Renault. Maybe we’ll see a Renault based Mitsubishi sedan in the future. But I see collaboration with Nissan being restricted to only platforms and Kei cars.
Great video, really like your analytical style. The crazy thing here is that Nissan are believing their own hype which will ultimately be their downfall. This is just how British Leyland behaved in the 1970’s, ironically not believing the Japanese brands, led by Datsun/Nissan were any kind of threat. History has a habit of repeating itself
Honestly, it was a head scratcher from the beginning..
The Japanese government does not want Nissan, Mitsubishi to be own by a Chinese company
And I think Nissan only has its USA factories to offer as maybe that would provide entree into the USA market, which would be very alluring to a Chinese brand.
Trust me, Chinese do not want these two hot garbage car companies
@@unclechen7693 sad to see ppl calling Nissan / Mitsubishi companies things that made cars with such passion in past
@@unclechen7693 yeah fr they have enough of those already
I don't think they are hot garbage but like most companies they have bean counters that make them cheap out on certain things....like everything. Remember they both were a force for quite some time to fuck up and end up struggling due to cheapening out their products. MHO@@unclechen7693
If the successful potential partner can't dictate the nature of the relationship to the failing possible partner then why continue the conversations.
The thing is that the Koreans, even though their engines are POS. They look right they sound right, feel like quality and most of all affordable..
A Nissan armada starts at $56,000 .
While a Kia Telluride starts at $35/37,00.
Even the Kia Forte starts cheaper than the Sentra. While the forte looks dated, it still looks miles better than the Sentra.
though we really shouldn’t talk too much about Nissan going belly up in the US. Or the current administration might try to take it over. 😂😂😂😂
The main appeal for Korean cars is aesthetics. People buy them because they look flashy, even if other qualities like ergonomics are sacrificed
@@theloversDeAyer the telluride is comparable to the pathfinder not armada
Where can I find a telluride for 35k? Lol
The Forte is dead. The K4 is now miles better than the Sentra.
Nissan won’t bankrupt … some Chinese automakers are willing to buy it 😂😂😂😂
Almost certainly true, but I doubt the Japanese government would permit it
if i was chinese company i don't want nissan. Their management are literally cartoon evil characters who would pimp out their own mother for an extra cent. I don't want such toxic people and culture in my company
That would be a marginal improvement lol
BYD buys it, puts the Dolphin under the Leaf body so Elon is none the wiser.
That would be even worse
Although i am sad by this, i can understand why nissan dropped out since they still want to be independent. In my eyes, that is kinda f'ed up that honda wanted nissan to be a subsidiary, with no say as you were saying.
I can see that Nissan and Honda will have a rough patch, and I'm going to bet that they don't want to collaborate anymore
Why should they have a say? They've sunk their ship and now their captain wants to take over the support vessel? Sit down and let Honda fix it, or go down with the ship.
Effectively they would have still had a seat at the table. they'd have been in the room with the captain. They just wouldn't have an equal say. If I'm buying you, thats the way it should be. If you had anything more than opinion to at least consider, you wouldn't need to be rescued.
I do not think that Honda really wanted a merger - they only acceded to talk about it to placate the Japanese government.
Funny enough I was talking to a colleague from Subaru corporate that the merger is a bad decision from Honda and now I see this news.
Nissan actually doing fairly well here in the Philippines. The Navara pick up and Terra SUV sell well and I see a lot of E-Power Kicks. They outsell Honda here
Philippines is a very small market only small population of the country even buy cars...😂
While true. In the grand scheme of things, Philippines is a drop in the bucket. A rounding error compared to US and China Sales.
Nissan can't survive with the Phillipines. You guys buy Nissan cause its cheap junk, not because it's any good
Hondas are usually more expensive than the competition in smaller markets. Only thing I usually in developing countries is CITY sedans
The Philippines is not a money maker for Nissan so it doesn't matter.
Good. I don't want Honda and their excellent products to be dragged down by the sinking ship of Nissan.
Well at least this give will Ford another shot with Nissan but I’d doubt it. They were trying to acquire the brand back in the 90’s but fell through.
I totally see this too.
It’s okay and I hope Nissan will survive. Nissan just needs new management and new marketing strategies.
And more hybrids and reliable transmissions.
its the transmissions if they ditch that cvt crap they would go up in market they make good engines but transmissions are a fail
R36 is doomed. 😢
It was doomed about 10 years ago when it was due but never came.
meh
That platform needs to be put to rest.
I just bought a Nissan Versa Manual 2025, and it’s great! I wouldn’t buy any CVT. They’re still horrible compared to the competitors.
I wouldn't mind getting one but it is way out of my budget. I drive a 1998 5 speed manual Nissan Sentra (around the size of the current Versa). When you are ready to sell, let me know. 😅
I was hoping for a Honda Maxima with an accordion in the trunk.
Honda saw firsthand how JATCO CVTs are beyond redemption while Nissan saw how unappealing Honda's industrial designs were.
RIP Nissan, Honda needs more Hybrids.
Somewhere in Beirut, Carlos Ghosn is laughing his arse off at Nissan.
You hit the nail on the head with the Jatco trans! There is nothin else about the cars that scares me. The beginning of the downfall (besides theJatco)was the Murano convertible eraof styling.
Thank God honestly I hate Hondas I pray and hope to God that Nissan survives this them becoming a subsidiary is horrific. Nissan will survive long live Nissan.
No one EVER "TELLS" Honda what to do as that won't EVER go over well. They make money even when no one else can. Honda should always stand alone. Worked there for 30 years & they don't "NEED" anyone. Everyone is replaceable. That's just Honda.
Guys, Naveen is moving to Facebook cuz less people know his lies, thats why we see him less on RUclips. Please help the folks that have been terrorized by him there 🙏
😂😂😂... Did he finally get a job? Or is he in school ?he had too much time on this hands he was the top Toyota hater of the world 😂😂😂... You say or bring them up too much I'll come around eventually😂😂😂
meh he will be back. He had finally exams to study for.
@@mikej238 lol hopefully he'll take his ass straight to work after graduation 🎓 😆😆
"I guess that concludes negotiations" - Gimli
Do you think Hyundai has any interest in buying Nissan?
It was for the best honestly, Honda & Nissan were meant to always be competitors
Not surprised as I had my doubts about this union from very early on.
As a Nissan enthusiast, I can tell you the ship has sailed for Nissan in the early 2000’s. When Renault got involved along with their strong influence. That’s when Nissan really died. The only two cars outside of the trucks that were engineered and built by Nissan Japan were the Z’s and the GTR’s. Even those haven’t changed much since their debut. The 90’s Nissans had such great engines and potential but Renault decided to scrap all of Nissans engines and start from scratch.
Some of the greatest 90’s Nissan engines:
GA16DE
SR16VE
SR16VE N1
SR18DE
SR20DE
SR20DET
SR20VE
SR20VET
RB20DE
RB20DET
KA24DE
RB25DET
RB26DETT
VG30DE
VG30DETT
VG33DE
VH45DE
Best 2000’s engines:
VQ35/37DE
VR38DETT
IMO Nissan had everything they needed to be great. They put too much trust into Renault to carry the brand. Nissan stopped taking risks in making cool fast cars that were affordable.
Cannot fathom why Nissan would reject being bought for this reason truly crazy.
But I was told by "Car Guy's" on the internet that Nissan has ALL THE VALUE because they have the GTR and Honda only has the Civic.... 🙄
Honda might be more interest on JV with Mitsubishi rather than Nissan, which Mitsubishi did a better job in SEA and developing countries in utility vehicles and offroad focused marketing strat, while nissan can only do some interior comfortness as their main weapon while every Market segment is off the track(even domestic market models), thanks to the bad management decision since ghorn/Renault management
It’s crazy to think how prideful a struggling car manufacturer is when they have an abundance of debt and little to no cache coming to the table. You can’t ask the party negotiating from a place of strength to disregard their position in order to appease you, the party that actually needs them.
I agree its probably japanese gov pushing honda. Same reason why toyota had no reason to help mazda. Nissan was probably looking for similar deal to toyota mazda, where toyota provided capital, parts sharing but mazda kept its autonomy. Honda probably took a look under the hood and realized nissans too far gone for that to work and nissan needs drastic change
"Toyota had no reason to help Mazda" Are you not aware that Mazda have a partnership with Toyota and also part own Mazda?!!
@@jdmguy44 thats what i'm saying...toyota had no reason to help mazda when mazda was in trouble other then the japanese gov pushing toyota out of japanese nationalism. Thats why Toyota formed that partnership with mazda. Capitalism would say letting mazda and nissan fail would allow toyota to gain more future customers and profits.
I’m just not sure how Nissan saves itself moving forward lol. Will be interesting to see.
What great news to see this morning!!! 🎉
It's fake and nothing official
RIP Nissan Mitsubishi
Mitsubishi might be okay
@KirkKreifels i work for mitsubishi we are more than ok
@VintageRKO Mitsubishi motors are doing alright these days. They've already confirmed they didn't want to be part of the merger.
At this point I think Nissan management just doesn’t want anyone to find out they’re essentially full-on criminals… Olympus-style.
Oh definitely! The way the ousted Ghosn in collaboration with their government, and the way they screwed up a profitable automaker with best selling EVs down to near bankruptcy. I’m no Ghosn supporter but he knew how to run Nissan way better than the Olympus style manipulative criminals at Nissan.
As a car enthusiast. This is a mix feeling. We always like car manufacturers compete. It create really cool sport cars. Nissan merge with honda sounds interesting but i also think it could be bad.
Honda has always been good and manage economy. They know how to build quality cars with cost effective way without sacrificing quality. You can see it in their economy car line up to their flagship - keeping a lot of parts the same. Like infotainment systems, drive train, alternator etc.. car enthusiast dont like shared components in their flagship but hey what can you do.
As a Honda worker not speaking for Honda thank god we didn’t need Nissans production problems or build quality (that cvt is trash and zero innovation )
Their new cars look promising. But they don’t have cars to compete with competitors. Like the armada and new murano are ok but they aren’t gonna be selling a lot since they’re so expensive. Focusing on EVS instead of making a rogue hybrid or a Sentra hybrid is just crazy to me. People wanna save money on gas and have an affordable car. They don’t have Anything to compete on the lower end besides the rogue and the versa.
The Rogue PHEV is coming this year
Nissan has one issue… the family that owns Nissan. They are unable to focus on what is important (what the customers want) and instead focus on their own interest. Hybrids was a major thing. The Q50 Hybrid was a solid vehicle ( I’ve had mine for 11 years with no issues). Getting rid of that model was dumb.
Cars been so expensive that all the lower class that used to buy Altima and Maxima can't even afford it lol.
A nice new Sentra can be purchased for approximately $20,000.
I don’t understand the point of buying a new car nobody needs a new fucking car lol they’re more unreliable than older gens
Nissan upper management needs take a step back and take a reality check. They don't get to demand almost 50/50 at this point. If they wanted that it should have tried in 2012 when they had the footing to request that. They need to humble themselves and work with Honda. Honda powertrains and autobody with Nissan interiors would be a fantastic mix. They need to swallow the pill and accept their fate.
Honda powertrain lol?! You gotta be shitting me. We all remember Honda POS trasmissions. Honda POS oil dilution issues. No thank you.
Nissan fall hits me hard. I had a 2000 maxima that lasted 600k miles before I had to replace it. Was one of my most reliable cars.
why does everybody hate nissan/infiniti so much? they havemade incredible cars and have an incredible heritages respectively. so many examples i can think of. yes they have had some absolutely ridiculous mismanagement issues and terrible scandals with its CEO’s in recent years but it doesn’t take away they CAN make good and attractive products if given the resources. other than its early CVT’s (which they have essentially perfected at this point but are using less and less these days anyways) i don’t get why people don’t want to see nissan succeed and are so ready for it to go bankrupt. blame nissan’s mismanagement at the very top (ceo’s) for making dumb decisions on behalf of the company putting them in this position.
I can explain why, but will you listen? Will you say: "oh now i understand"! I doubt it. But I'll still try. We bought Murano with Jatco CVT in 2014. It broke after 2 years, Nissan dealer didn't want to honor warranty. We went through hell. Financial and humiliating hell. We were loyal customers, decided to wait for a new model of Murano. We waited almost 10 years. We gave up, had to sell our broken Murano that was barely driving due to broken CVT. Now this is 10 years of our life thrown away. This is 10 years of our family life thrown away. When we bought Murano it was expensive car. We were saving money for years to afford it. And instead fo happy honeymoon we got hell on earth. Every year we painfully waited - Nissan kept same model and instead news were abotu Carl Ghosn and Nissan sticking to Jatco CVT. Same CVT that ruined our life. They still value that CVT more than us - customers who paid dearly and got nothing, just broken car. After this we cant even look at Nissan anymore. We just want it to die so no one will go throught what we went. Some companies just shoudn't be making cars.
I'm in the market for a Nismo Z but this is really concerning. Holding off since purchasing a 60k car of a company that may go under doesn't sound like the move... worse case scenario what happens to their unsold vehicles here if the company tanks?
I would love to be able to affoed even a base model Z, but still too expensive, for that money I would get a Mustang. For Nismo money I would get Mustang Darkhorse and that great tremec manual transmission, Nismo Z has no manual and therfore does not interest me.
I recently bought a Nissan Navara ute so I kinda feel sad this is happening.
Wow, I haven't seen such a major bone headed move from the company since, Blockbuster rejecting Netflix's buyout. Yeah, Nissan is cooked.
Love Nissan! I can see them getting over this and then one day release a limited production 240Z 'Datsun' coupe! 😎👍
Nissan needs to just make like 3 cars. One for each segment, and keep the frontiers for there truck. The frontier has always been a solid platform.
Frontier, Armada, Rogue hybrid. And kicks for entry.
@@KirkKreifelsthe Xterra will save Nissan or give them a huge boost. All they need to do is slap a bedcover on the frontier and sell it starting at like 34k and top out at 45-47k
@@KirkKreifels they should keep the Sentra & Altima as well
@@Lando-kx6so disagree. no one wants or buys a sentra or altima unless you have a 500 credit score and have no other choice. Its deadweight, low margin, and not worth the effort at least not right now. 10 years from now after hte ship has been righted, perhaps. But even then I'd advocate bringing back the Maxima and the Sentra. No need for the Altima.
Really? My frontier was a POS
This is probably why Mitsubishi was hesitant on joining the merger lol. I guess Nissan doesn’t want to be in the same position with Honda as how they were with Renault. I figured something may go wrong in terms of who has control. Look at Stellantis for example.
What was all that one in a million talk?!?!?! - Lloyd C.
As a Honda fan... really happy about this. I've always thought Honda was crazy for some of it's partnerships with GM, and then Nissan?? I have wondered though why Toyota invested in Mazda and Subaru but never Honda. Makes you wonder if there's some bad blood between the two brands.
Kirk any news on how this impacts Mitsubishi? Thanks for the informative videos as always.
Mitsubishi already confirmed that they don't want to be part of the merger.
@ Thanks for letting me know.
Not just CVTs newer Nissan cars have some sketchy parts. For example my Nissan just with 100K km the Brake Master Cylinder went bad. With most brands you can replace the pump components with a repair kits which is a cheap fix. But this cylinder is designed in a way that is not repairable or serviceable. Only complete part replacement as per the workshop manual. If the part is designed to thrown away, it should at least be cheap. But no it is the same price as a Toyota brake cylinder. When these kinds of issues slowly accumulate people tend to doubt the brand.
I'm looking for a Frontier Pro-4X, and they aren't interested in dealing at all here in Phoenix. Top dollar plus dealer addons! Crazy.
Internal water pump is a deal breaker for me
Major mistake of nissan was when they invested in US, where people are striving do hard to buy one. They should have focused more in asian region bcos, first: the huge population, second: asians love to buy cars.
Nissan in India is also not so popular. Compared to Toyota and Honda their sales are quite smaller and primarily in the cheapest end. Their reputation is not so good.
The only think Nissan has that Honda could use is an untapped manufacturing capacity
When I owned a Honda, the dealer was one of the most corrupt car dealers I've ever experienced, so I kind of understand (not that I trust any car dealer).
This is an example of how long my relationship last. They seem so great at first until I decide they’re too heavy..
The whole deal never made sense, Honda has a better cash position, but Nissan is currently producing a better product. Buying a Honda is a gamble right now, oil dilution problems, and al crankshaft issues in the 3.5 L V6.
Nissan made the Silvia , the R32, and the 300zx. What a fall from grace, damn
Prices needa go down if not every company is gonna plummit.
Good for Honda. Will the Japanese govt let this deal fail?
As owner of the final generation of good Nissans (2006 Altima and Sentra) that had basic automatic transmissions it depressing to see how far Nissan has fallen. Recently retired our 2006 Altima after it gave up the ghost four months ago, and our Sentra is still at it. Seeing the turmoil that Nissan has gone through ever since the introduction of the CVT in 2007, I'm sorry to say Nissan executives avarice and pride will be what finally kills Nissan for good. Mechanic friends warned us not to get any Nissans and told us to go Mazda since they're affordable and have long term lasting quality of a Toyota, so we got a CX-5 as a replacement for the Altima, and we are looking to get a second hand low mileage CX-3 or Mazda 3 fourth generation hatchback to retire the Sentra. Nissan should have just taken whatever Honda was offering for them to survive, but seeing their thought process its best for them to stop existing as a brand.
Wow. I'm a Nissan and Honda fan so I'm bummed. Nissan had some good hybrid tech but nothing Honda critically needed. Nissan has too much pride....
As Doug DeMuro has said Nissan could make the Xterra, make it 5k cheaper than the 4Runner, and make bank.
I was so waiting for the GTR and The NSX to have a baby😢😂
The delayed Carlos Ghosn effect is in play again. Will Nissan survive him? I think they’ll need to find a foreign suitor looking to make use of their assets. Maybe Renault steps up and used Nissan to enter its products in the USA market under a Nissan badge? Or will. Renault just cut its losses?
Good. Wouldn't want Honda to end up like Nissan.
My heart breaks for the NISSAN workers in Japan. They never deserved any of this. NISSAN has been run into the ground by greedy crooked CEO's and upper management. NISSAN used to be one of the finest vehicle companies in the world. I think it can be again. If a Japanese tycoon takes it over and rebuilds the company with a Japanese work ethic.