The Wasted Potential of THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Movies
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In this video, Owen explains the history of The Amazing Spider-Man films, the original plans for Marc Webb's reboot of the iconic Marvel hero, and what caused this series' unfortunate demise.
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Man Garfield was so brilliant but wasted by shitty screenwriting. TASM2 was too bad tho because Electro was under used bad design and Goblin was severely pathetic and pacing issues. But yes most acrobatic and pleasant Spider-Man btw I discussed about the fate of Peter Parker/Spider-Man too so if any spidey lovers love listening about other spidey fans' take, feel free to check it out and love you all for reading my comment 🥰😀
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN
It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth
She was the only one capable to tell AVI ARAD when to back off
Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1
Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise
Spiderman was nothing without her
Very few people actually talk about how much input Arad has had on destroying the character, well, apparently most of the producers involved with the character are just like him.
Exactly!
At least someone was able to get it right without her in No Way Home.
I liked the "friendly neighborhood" aspect of the character: he is always focus on protecting people during battles, he takes care of the child been bullied and tries to save as many people as possible. Sadly, the scripts are horrendous. Even Garfield admitted (during an Actors-on-actors interview with Amy Adams) that the script was the issue because it was focus on setting up a franchise instead of telling a good story.
yeah. you can feel it when they left that prologue showing richard parker's death in ASM2... which is all for nothing given the scene revealed he survived was cut from the film, an his laboratory later would be a better way to bring him back into the story without losing focus.
it would have been a better start to have the montage of peter living as spider-man
@@ianr.navahuber2195 I didn´t like the foucs on Peter´s parents, it felt more Batman style than Spider-Man... but I remember watching the beginning of TAS 2 in cinemas and thinking "who gives a f**k about this poor-man jason bourne sequence, I want Spider-Man action!". Specially since they cut the payoff to that prologue!
@@robertopulitano8093 Fr. Even in the comics no one cares about his parents.
@@joshheralal8758 Yeah, they were trying to do something different than Raimi, we can respect that... but the way they did it, man it was shitty
@@robertopulitano8093 agreed. Why keep that sequence if the scene of "Peter being Alive" was cut?!
Great work, Owen! While I'm not a fan of these movies, you did a fantastic job digging into the larger picture behind them all. Thanks for having me play a part!
It's great that Andrew is FINALLY getting the recognition he always deserved. It's a shame that sony and Avi Arad messed with Marc's vision. If Webb, Andrew and Emma were just allowed to be themselves and do what they wanted, then it would have truly been AMAZING.
Let's not pretend Marc was innocent here
Marc's vision was shit also.
Marc was fine guys. He really did have a pretty cool vision. Sure it was Dark Knight-esk in tone but he only made TASM 1 darker because he had to, Dark Knight did it so Sony had to as well. TASM2 was more marc webb yet more Sony.
@@DanielValentin0508 his vision was not cool at all. It spat on Spider-Man lore and made him into a chosen one rather than a random kid. It was stupid and went against everything the character stands for. I was fine with the darker tone and Andrew Garfield was phenomenal casting, but the story was pathetically bad.
@@blakepittman6679 that actually wasn't Marc's idea. He didn't make that idea. He originally didn't even want to return to that side plot of finding the truth about his parents
From what I've read, the subplot about Peter's parents was supposed to have been resolved in the first movie, but Sony had that cut out to leave loose ends for the sequel.
That might have made the whole thing more acceptable.
One of my gripes with the TASM franchise was inserting "The Amazing" when they were clearly going for Ultimate. Doesn't bother me these days, especially understanding that "The Amazing" is more marketable and recognizable, but it drove me nuts at the time of the movie's release
It's why the critique of electro being blue actually bothered me cause it's a reference to the ultimate version and also kinda the mtv spidey show
@@WillTheGreatest true, although to be fair even in the Ultimate comics people were still complaining that he looked like Doctor Manhattan
I know, Tobey is more of the classic 616 Amazing Peter in the early years, Andrew story takes direct Ultimate inspirations with storylines, attitude and character designs, and Tom is amalgamated mash-up of both 616 and 1610, Spectacular, etc. Much like the rest of the MCU, striving to be the most open and marketable versions of the characters. And I mean that in a good way, I'm definitely not one of those Tom haters, lol.
@@daseal1479 Exactly! Tobey was The Amazing spider-man without having to be in the title. I'd wager if you called Andrew's movies Ultimate Spider-man, Sony would be more forgiven on the changes they made to Peter's origin and attitude. Plus, they'd tap into those fans who grew up with Ultimate spider-man
@@daseal1479 Yeah, the only aspect they take from the classic 616 is The Death of Gwen Stacy.
Tasm 1 had so much footage that was cut from it, hell there was over 20 minutes of footage that made doctor connors/ the lizard a much better character and so many alternative scenes that are much better than what we got in the final film and also extended shots of already existing scene that reveal so much more
Its such a shame it got cut
The deleted scenes actually make the parents sub-plot way more interesting, it's a shame because Sony probably demanded all of that stuff to be cut out so they could insert a more generic third act battle.
To me, Andrew Garfield is definitely the most underrated of the three live action Spider-Men. Plus, I actually liked the love story between Peter and Gwen more so in the Webb films than Peter and MJ in the Raimi films. It’s just a shame that those got sidelined when Sony wanted to use this a way to beat Disney with their own cinematic universe. Here’s to hoping we’ll see Garfield’s Spider-Man return. In a proper solo outing.
I wouldn’t say underrated anymore. Tom is now the most underrated, Andrew is getting his spotlight while Tom is still “Iron Boy Jr” in many peoples eye.
@@MarioSonicBee i think ppl are appreciating both more. Before nwh i didnt like tom hollands spiderman because of being iron boy. But after nwh my opinion on that changed for 180 degree. I love toms spiderman now. Before, it was just about action and fun but now it has "heart" in it.
And Andrew was my fav spiderman and still is. After nwh i am just happy to see ppl appreciating him more.
It's weird. MJ In the raimi films has more character development I would say and yet Peter and Gwen's romance feels....
Stronger? More authentic? It's hard to explain why.
That gwen romance was cringe like a twilight movie.
@@durbek4389 “before” no way home was literally him learning how to be Spider-Man. I don’t know why people don’t get that.
I think the TASM films as a whole are a case of too many studio mandates and granted while that worked for the first TASM film and I personally love it the sequel felt like Sony didn’t learn their lesson putting it into that awkward position where for as many problems and goofy momemts as Spider-Man 3 has I feel Raimi was able to work within those mandates and make Spider-Man 3 an little more focused than Webb who felt he was having trouble juggling those extra elements with TASM 2
With TASM 2, it was more of a set up their planned cinematic universe at the time & that’s one of the flaws.
A saga with truly potential and great actors. It's a shame that some of the comics they used, or wanted to use for these films weren't particularly good: the return of Peter's parents, their spy context, the clone saga, etc., and there's also Sony's attempt at associating everything to Oscorp (with Alchemax vibes), just so they could set up the Sinister Six, despite the fact that they killed off a founder member of the team (Electro), and they already used a non-related villain for the first film, as Lizard was not part of Sony's line-up. They ended up jumping the shark with their plots while flying to close to the sun.
The more creative control Sony exercises the worse their movies. I actually like Venom 1 and 2, but like Amazing Spiderman films they are full great actors muddling through baad stories, where-as when they let Marvel Studios make the story, well we actually have a Spiderman who's series finished and people actually want to see more.
I think this points out two things: that Sony recognizes that they’re doing all wrong, but also they don’t have any intention to change. That’s why they went to Marvel asking them to do their homework while taking all the profits, while making things like Venom.
10:24 I think the main problem WASN'T focusing on Peter's parents, but peter's kinda lack of interesting in researching them until the plot demanded him to put attention into that. It was kinda inconsistent the degree of attention they wanted to give oscorp as the "corner stone of this world", sometimes
For example, to be more consistent with his backstory and oscorp, Maybe say that after their deaths, peter focused too much on trying to get into oscorp to be like his parents. Maybe mentioning Harry Osborn as his best friend (feeling alone that harry has went away to study abroad), and during his childhood, became like protege and surrogate son to connors (wether connors' family from comics was adapted or not. if it did, peter would be like brother figure to connor's son, billy). MAYBE have that peter wasn't that close to uncle ben or aunt may. that sure, he loved them, but didn't feel like he connected to them.
It could be a methaphor for peter to focus too much on the past and future that he forgets the present.
OR I DON'T KNOW. Something that makes the story feel more organically connected to Oscorp rather that feeling like that side-quest that keeps popping up, interrupting the story, demanding to be attended
Maybe, but after these years, I've come to the conclusion that Peter's parents shouldn't be that emphasized in Peter's life. They can be government agents, spies, scientists, or whatever else, but it shouldn't have anything to do with Peter becoming Spider-Man or take up that much time in his current life. The Spectacular Spider-Man and the PS4 game handled it best in my opinion.
@@parkerboy795 yeah. i do admit that's true. peter's parents aren't really that much important. sure their legacy can be important but only as backstory for other characters (like teresa parker master matrix). not peter especifically
If Sony hadn't gone over the top with ASM2 maybe the series could have continue in some way with more sequels and the potential spin offs and who knows maybe Andrew could have made a appearance in the MCU.
I mean he has now, and I can only hope that after No Way Home he'll get a final movie
22:31 So The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is to SONY what "X-Men 3: Last Stand" was to FOX?
Doing a little research of my own, TASM 2 reception and box office cause such a negative impact to the franchise that Sony considered many ways to move forward, like:
- They were offered by Marvel to sell, share or keep the IP (we all know they ended up sharing it)
- In case of selling, Marvel offered 1.5 billion for the arachnid, whereas Sony counter offered with 5 billion (WHAT?! NOT EVEN STAR WARS WAS VALUED THAT HIGH)
- Make TASM 3 as an animated film (who’s ideas was this?!)
- Scrap the TASM franchise to return to Raimi’s Spider-Man 4 (meh)
- Keeping the license and split TASM 3 AND 4 into two-parters, this could have been TASM: Sinister Six - Part 1 and Part 2 (the “third” entry) and TASM 4 - Part 1 and Part 2 (does that make any sense?!)
- This one is my favorite and low-key the best plan: This supposed deal would allow Garfield’s Spider-Man to appear in Civil War, then in 2017 (year of Homecoming) release The Amazing Spider-Man 3 with two conditions: Marvel could recast anyone they wanted (maybe Harry, Felicia and others) but with the Russo Brothers in the director’s chair (due to the Captain America’s success). Two more MCU appearances before a The Amazing Spider-Man 4 and culminated with Spider-Verse with Tobey and Andrew (this kinda confirms the Multiverse idea from NHW was Sony’s idea). AFTER this, Marvel would have regain the rights in its entirety after paying Sony 2 billion.
- The deal they’re working right now
All of this coming from watching interviews, the leaked emails from 2014, etc.
Thanks for the research! I lowkey wish some of this happened.
I think the first big mistake was making the first movie another origin. It should've at least started with a college age Spidey who's been around the block as Spidey for at least a few years.
You have to understand that studio executives and the marvel editorial staff are under the strange belief that spider-man works best when he is in high school. Even though most of the character's iconic stories came after the High school Era and Peter graduates from high school in issue 28 of the original lee/ditko run.
@@galactic85 that’s because they keep trying to chase after the Ultimate Spider-Man success from Brian Michael Bendis. But you’re right, Spider-Man’s most iconic villains and story arcs are from when he was in college and adult
@@terronaries2077 The only spider man works well with non-school related things is spider man ps4. That’s the best spider man imo.
@@stayedhumblereese3447 I would say that the Sam Raimi films do a good job of portraying a college/adult age Spider-Man. But the 2018 game is a great one as well
I love Dan Mindels cinematography in the amazing Spider-Man 2 movie everything is beautifully captured on camera everything has bright glossy shiny colours it makes this Spider-Man movie set itself apart from the other Spider-Man films
Oh yeah.. I have issues with ASM2 but it is a GORGEOUS movie.
I actually enjoy and love Spider-Man 3 alot it's not a amazing movie but it's entertaining and really really fun and has alot of heart
After hearing all these stories about TASM movie's production, one name keeps coming up for me: Avi Arad, who was known to constantly clash with Marc Webb, taking adavntage of the fact that these were his first big budget movies by doing things such as forcing him to get rid of character-developing scenes and important plot points and replacing them with random scenes to set up sequels the Sony-verse; to point that Marc even called tasm2 "Avi's movie", he even constantly clashed with Raimi with wanting Spider-Man 2 to originally have a love triangle between Peter Parker Mary Jane & Dr Octopus 🙄 and especially clashing with him on SM3 with the inclusion of more villains than want Raimi wanted.
He's also the reason that the 90's Spider-Man animated series didn't get an extra season 😐
#FireAviArad
Avi Arad is Spider-Man's Jon Peters, a clueless manchild whose interventions on the characters productions are a curse.
Yes to all of this! Andrew Garfield's passion for the character has always been so evident, and he and Emma Stone's acting and chemistry together are wonderful. It's a shame that this couldn't have been a more character-defining franchise.
Their dialogue was cringe bro it didnt feel natural or cute watching them stutter and mumble through their scenes together was annoying
@@James_baxte.r Dude you're the only person on the internet I've seen who thinks this lol... Both had great chemistry and sure the dialogue could've been better but there's a reason this aspect of the TASM movies is still loved.
@@HishamA.N_Comicbroe multiple youtubers an people alike have this same issue with their characters an if you think these movies story wise are good, you mustve either been on something when you watched it or havnt seen enough decent films
@@James_baxte.r I don't watch that many Ytbers & saying I "havnt seen enough decent films" just cuz what I think you're saying is stupid is dumb. I've been through Twitter, Instagram & multiple other places too & I've seen praise for their acting lol. Them stuttering in TASM 1 makes sense as they're playing teenagers who're trying to express their feelings & I didn't see any stuttering in TASM 2.
Stuff like "Make TASM3" "Andrew Garfield" are still trending on Twitter. And also plenty of ppl have acknowledged that while the story isn't perfect the acting is.
Regarding TASM's dark tone, I think it was trying to ride the coattails of 'The Dark Knight' trilogy (especially since TDKR was set to release a couple of months later).
Just like in Spider-Man 3 , what weakened this movies was Sony pressure and demands , choking the actors performance and the director view for the movie . But they have a heart beneath all that , and the little glimpse we had of it, is what captivated so many in to this franchise
As a long time Garfield-man fan it always makes me happy to see the positives about his franchise acknowledged. I even did a video about it.
Unrelated the exported framerates on this video is bewildering to see the old footage move that way. It's kinda surreal
I remember how much I loved the first Amazing Spider-Man movie as a kid. Honestly helped get me back into the world of comic books, so while it’s definitely flawed, it’ll always be a special movie to me
The TASM duology was my childhood, it was my Spider-Man movie, i've always loved Garfiled's iteration of the character. But growing up, i've realized that it's REALLY flawed. I guess It tried to do too much with too little. I'm just glad people are realizing that it wasn't Andrew's fault his movies sucked, and he is, without a doubt, deserving of, at the very least, completing his trilogy with a real The Amazing Spider-Man 3
What a bad childhood
@@myblasterproductions Nope, my childhood was really good
Somehow you made TASM2's plot summary sound like a classic spidey story, but then I rewatched the movie....
My biggest problem with these films. I DONT CARE ABOUT PETER'S PARENTS. Even In the comics. I never have. The only thing you really need to k ow about them is that they were loving parents ho died tragically. The story of spider-man isn't about peter's parents. It's about coming of age. It's about adulthood. Making spider-man's origin about "daddy issues" In effect undermines this.
I understand after NWH people wants to act like they always liked Andrew in the role, but...no, they didnt, both Amazing movies flopped at the BO (for Spiderman standards), and fans HATED THEM.
Is the reason why the second movie is COMPLETELY different than the first (but managed to be just as hated for a whole different set of reasons).
I think the whole "gritty and realistic" aproach for a Spiderman movie was plain dumb, and while Andrew can pull the "charismatic handsome Romita Sr version" of Peter Parker...he didnt do that in Amazing 1, there he was basically a jerk who was trying way too hard to be sexy, your classic "bad boy" (this movie was designed as "Twilight for boys"), and in the second, while he was better, he still wasnt there...plus, he was 32, which was insane for someone who was playing a kid in highschool.
He was my favorite part of NWH, he got his redemption, time to move on, ASM3 is a completely idiotic idea, bringing Andrew back to play a completely different version of the character (Venom 3?) is one thing, but bringing back Marc Webb and the whole creative team behind the Amazing movies? heck to the no.
And btw, Sony didnt reboot the franchise because of the lukewarm reception Spiderman 3 got, they did it because those movies had become way too expensive to make...Spiderman 3 is still the most succesfull non-MCU Marvel movie ever, making over $900M, however, considering the insane budget that movie had, it barely broke even...by 2008, Sony had already hired a writer to work on a cheap reboot with a cheap director and with cheap actors, and they bet for the safest concept; copying The Dark Knight.
I also was thrown off by Peter’s portrayal in the first Amazing Spider-Man. I definitely felt like that wasn’t Peter.
And I’m not a fan of bringing back the old crew for third movie either. Maybe bring in Andrew for Venom 3, but I’m not on board with a third film. Especially if they bring back the same writers from the first two films
Great job on covering the TASM movie franchise man really great.
The graduation scene is the best example of how Amazing 2 misses the essence of Peter Parker. Peter was never cool or popular, whereas here he is portrayed as a rock star. He enters the ceremony late, kisses Gwen and receives applause from he entire graduating class. Nothing could be further from Stan Lee's Peter Parker.
To be fair, by issue 30 of the first Spider-Man run he already was far away from the nerd persona of his debut, and considering the time-framing TASM2 was going for, having Peter be a "chad" by that point is actually somewhat accurate to the original vision.
@@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley Very good point. I am 65 and very attached to the original Peter Parker. I guess I have a hard time with the changes, especially in the " high school Peter" of the original series- I could relate to him.
@@StorytellerStudios - Yeah, the original 1960s outcast vision struck very hard on fans even years after Peter had already moved from it.
Great information, thank you.
I love Andrew’s portrayal of Spider-Man and his everyday hero aspect of his during the montage where he saved the kid from bullying and while he was sick. But the one scene where it showed the terrible writing of this movie that immediately kicked me out of enjoyment was when Peter did not immediately stop the Rhino’s truck when he had the chance. Instead choose to joke with him for a while (without doing anything), which lead to him crashing the truck into oncoming traffics and possibly killing a lot of people. Spider-Man can definitely joke with his enemy. But he has always done it as a distraction WHILE actively stopping them, not as a break away where he just watch them endangering innocent people.
I get a storng feeling we'll see Garfield again as peter. They can't keep dodging the "spider-man isn't a thing" error in the venom movies forever. Come to think of it, hardy and garfeild are kind of in the same boat of "we would like to be in BETTER MOVIES PLEASE!!" But enough about that for now. You could tell during the amazing spider-man series and "THAT" part in another movie (trying to be vauge) andrew absolutely ADORES the character wants to prove that he's worth revisiting.
Harry kind of has that, but that’s got more to do with signing on to Venom to begin with and his lack of traction at getting more substantial roles since The Revenant. Meanwhile, Garfield’s more popular than he’s ever been and is already on track to getting his second Oscar nomination - all while Holland is making a desperate attempt to get his first and Maguire nearly dropped acting all together until No Way Home (though we’ll see how Babylon turns out).
I grew up with the Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man (showing my age). I was SO happy to see what they were able to achieve with Tobey Maguire’s version. But when I saw Andrew Garfield’s take on the wall crawler, I knew in my bones that THIS was Spider-Man. He moved like you’d expect Spidey to. He quipped like you’d expect Spidey to. He was your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man in a way none of the others are, and he had the correct girlfriend. The movies were not as great as Raimi’s. They don’t have that Marvel Cinematic Universe branding to bolster them. But those movies had the best Spider-Man, probably the best representation of a teenager whose name is not Peter Parker and the best love interest, masterfully played by Emma Stone.
These movies represented the very definition of a missed opportunity but ‘Into the Spiderverse’ and ‘Spider-Man: No Way Home’ show that Sony are beginning to come to grips with how to make a Spider-Man movie. Perhaps one day, they might finish what they started in the ‘TASM’ series.
wonderful vid, thanks for that! knowing now that Mr. Webb (perfect name, by the way) took his inspiration from the Ultimates version, I find it interesting how many times you used the word "ultimately" in your narration. your videos are always thoughtful and well-researched, I enjoy them immensely.
Haha I'm glad you picked up on that little in-joke. Thanks for watching!
Better be no Garfield slander
Garfield is actually my favourite Spider-Man 👀
@@OwenLikesComics wronh
Loo
@@OwenLikesComics same
TASM1 was going somewhere
But everything derailed because AVI ARAD wanted to include THE LIZARD so he could sell more toys
That does explain a lot honestly. TASM 1 loses it's bite with that lizard thing
Even with the flaws they have the TASM series are my favorite movies ( including No Way Home now too ). And it doesn't mean that I don't like the other ones from Tobey and Tom's Spider-Man, I also like those very much.
Just happy to see the recognition and respect that Andrew always deserved.
AMAZING video, only disagreed with one aspect of ur read on TASM1 but everything else was spot on!
This saga was a total tonal disaster sometimes it feels like a frankenstein of movies. You got twilight romance, confuse spy plots that go nowhere, edgy scenes, scenes with souls that doesnt fit in the middle of all the mess, overused slow motion, bad jokes, overacted scenes, sometimes bad drama like the death of uncle ben. And the worst peter parker characterization. I only can blame avi arad for this crap.
The first Amazing Spider-Man costume is still my favorite design for the character. Got real frustrated when they switched it in the sequel.
Hard agree. The yellow eyes especially really stand out
An ASM3 still seems like a pipe dream to me, but I would totally go see it. One thing I would love in a post-NWH version of this character is an inclusion of Shalene Woodley’s Mary Jane, and when she introduces herself to Peter, he lights up and responds, “MJ?” To which she says, “Yeah, that’s what my friends call me. How did you know that?”
I could even see that being the last scene of the movie, especially if we bring the Felicia character into the spotlight for another failed romance in the saddest Peter Parker’s story.
I think the problem with the first Amazing Spider-man movie is that it's trying to tell a similar story to the first Raimi film but not as good
Man, just seeing those short little bits from Amazing Spider-Man 2 is painful.
I honestly prefer this origin and Uncle Bens death over Raimis. Webb’s Peter and Uncle Ben are shown to start having differences leading up to Bens death the moment Peter discovers his dads briefcase. They have back and forths and eventually it leads to the arguments. There’s tension grown organically and naturally, and Peters outburst makes sense. Getting powers, wondering why his parents left, being bullied, and getting chastised. All of it leading to his outburst made sense. Tobeys however had his Uncle Ben just catch his version of Peter at a bad time. That’s it, there wasn’t as much leading tension
Nice video!
Thank you, Matthew!
I gotta highlight the CGI for Spider-Man in TASM2, the details of the wrinkles on the suit and flapping with the wind plus the dynamic and fluid movements make that version of the character the best looking one during action and swinging scenes.
It sucks how Sony really screwed over Andrew Garfield with his movies.
In some ways I preferred Andrew Garfield Spiderman to Tom Holland as I felt Holland was constantly playing second fiddle to the likes of the arrogant Iron Man!
But I do agree with you there were issues with Garfield's movies. Hope he can come back for a third to finish his story!
The rumors of a potential Amazing Spider-Man 3 should make you happy, Owen. Andrew’s appearance in No way home was extremely well received, and he’s completely open to coming back again. Hopefully, it does happen, this time, there will be lesser studio meddling.
It's cool to see you working with Matt draper and nando v movies I like their videos just as much as I like your videos any chance you could do a video covering the cancelled black cat and silver sable movie as well as the cancelled sinister six movie that drew Goddard was working on I'd love to see those videos it's just a suggestion
It is because of AVI ARAD that I'm not optimistic about MORBIUS!
Or even UNCHARTED and BORDERLANDS
I feel bad for the cast and crew because Sony forcing so much into this movie just another cinematic universe and at the time just to keep the right’s to spider-man among other things
It's wired that Shailene Woodley shot scenes as Mary Jane Watson there are set photos on the internet as well as behind the scenes videos of her working with Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone but the actual footage from the film itself is nowhere to be found
Great analysis. I liked this iteration of Spider-Man. Too bad we didn’t see how it turns out. It would’ve been interesting
I still like TASM1 far more than Homecoming or Far From Home. 🚶🏽♂️
I feel sorry for Andrew Garfield and
Marc Webb. Sony treated their film franchise, the second one far more so than the first, as a way to compete with the MCU as opposed to just allowing them to tell their Spider-Man story.
And in the end when it blew up in their faces, they were the ones that suffered the most because of Sony’s brash and arrogant and commercially focused decision making.
TASM came out the summer of 2012 just like Avengers. One franchise thrived the other was so bad it needed a reboot to avoid loosing the rights.
TAMS1 not only had the writer from SPIDERMAN 2, but also had a writer from the HARRY POTTER movies, and a writer from ZODIAC
All because of LAURA ZISKIN
TAMS2 on the other hand, had the writers from TRANSFORMERS
All because of AVI ARAD
BEFORE WATCHING VIDEO: Personally, I consider Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man duology as the most creative in term of web swinging, action, and cinematography BUT sadly in general is the one whose writting is the weakest of the bunch. Given it tried to sometimes cramp up too much stuff as once, sometimes add to many characters that, a lot of times only few really mattered, not giving us time to care for them (which is a shame because some interactions like peter and the stacys, or him and his aunt were good when given time); sometimes rarely having them interact with each other or among themselves to make them feel more genuine. Sometimes overcomplicating stuff, and sometimes bad pacing. SPECIALLY ASM2. Like, was it really THAT necessary to include the prologue of how Peter's parents died? was it so hard to put Peter discovering his dad's research BEFORE Harry asked him for his blood as possible cure (that way, peter knows, his blood might have bad side effects on harry given it is coded to only work on the parker DNA)? Or maybe even set since ASM 1 that Peter is best friends with the son of Oscorp's owner only for people outside his family and few friends to don't believe him?
Not helped that ASM1 tries so hard to be like a "darker take" on spider-man's origin story, that feels like a repetition of everything seen in the first film with the only factor that makes it different being Gwen and Captain Stacy.
And ASM2 feels like trying to make up for lost time, by overcompensating on the "adding new stuff" to the point it doesn't feel organic, but rushed
Maybe this video will make me reconsider stuff, who knows?
My biggest problem with Amazing Spider-Man was how poorly Uncle Ben's death was handled. They literally copied and pasted the same formula from the original film: Peter and Uncle Ben have an argument, Peter walks away, Peter then gets into an argument with a douchebag, Peter doesn't help the douchebag stop the robber and then the robber kills Ben. Only this time, they managed to make it even MORE inaccurate to the comics by making it a convenient store robbery instead of at the wrestling ring and have Ben die because he stupidly went after the killer's gun when he should have left him alone and called the police.
My biggest problem with Amazing 2 was Harry's look at the Goblin. Instead of actually giving him a mask, the makeup artist decided to make him look like something from a bad 80's movie.
I also went back and revisited the Amazing Spider-Man films earlier this month. I felt that the first film had pacing problems but picked up in the 2nd half. And I’m not a fan of the whole Peter was destined to be Spider-Man.
And that was really hammered in with the second one. Overall I thought it was okay, which is how I felt back in 2012.
The sequel I found to be unbearable. It was actually worse than I remembered. Bad plot, stupid villains, and just overall not that fun of a watch for me. If Sony decides to go back to this franchise, they need to not meddle in the making of this film and need good writers, because that’s what hurts the franchise the most
If TASM3 does end up happening at some point(which I doubt it will), I sure do hope Andrew can actually get closure to his version of Peter Parker.
It’s a shame because TASM movies had done a major aspect of Spider-man the best by a mile. The swinging.
i always thought andrew made a terrible peter, people forget hes SUPPOSED to be kinda goofy.
They just came at the wrong time and it was hard to accept them so soon after Spider-Man 4 was cancelled.
Hello Owen Comics Andres here loved your video plus Andrew is my number one Spidey Actor and one that was my favorite in No Way Home, I agree with major points the gritty tone isn't problem for the film like some other Superhero films Man of Steel & Fantastic Four(2015 Film) . for me what bother me of Andrew first Spidey it has coincidence similar scenes from first raimi film example peter discovering his powers-cowling wall thing, and counter against flash, i felt what the amazing team over other gritty films i mention they didn't darken Peter instead gave Concrete motivation or realistic emotions why peter acts this way in amazing film.
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For me, TASM 1 was great and I did like TASM 2, but it just felt too crammed with villains. I feel if it had just focused on Electro, or to keep with the theme of change that the movie presents, Harry could have been the idea of in the ever changing world, this piece of familiarity or comfort from Peter's past.
Ultimate Spider-Man is the only way to do a larger cinematic universe based Spider-Man bummer Sony didn't push harder to have this be the Spider-Man Disney could use in Avengers. His style his effectiveness mades him a perfect for a MCU that's pretty much on the ending days. Plus a strong start and a less than impressive sequel can't get anymore earth-199999 than that. Also to be blunt the Tom Holland version doesn't cut it even post No Way Home his take still felt like imitation Spider-Man.
No one forgot the death of Gwen Stacy especially those who don't read comics and only watched the Spider-Man movies. Overall I'm really glad NWH actually redeemed Andrew's Spider-Man and he's now in talks for future films along with Tobey as well.
I'd love to see Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire back for Spider-Man 4 as well as Marc Webb and Andrew Garfield come back to do the amazing Spider-Man 3 and 4
WOW.Nostalgia is here again.Good job on the video Owen,completely forgot about the Amazing Spiderman films.My favorite is still the Raimi trilogy.2012 I was in Iraq doing various missions so didn't get to see it at the cinema,had to wait for the dvd to drop.This was to be my final deployment to Iraq with the army,I was sooo GLAD!!! LOL.Didn't find out til much later. tho.BUT,I was still HAPPY!!! YEAH.Got recalled to active duty to fight in Iraq SUCKED!! Most people didn't know a lot of veterans basically got DRAFTED to fight.This is the kind of draft you wants no part of!!! LOL.TRUST ME.Not unless you like traser rounds flying over your HEAD!!! Or rpgs flying all around you!!! Was tired of the pressure of leading missions and the threat of death around you.Was pissed at seeing my peers get desk/soft duties while I was chasing bullets. Finally I could lay down my arms and enjoy PEACE.
Wait, if the Webb movies were based more on the Ultimate comics, then why did they call it The Amazing Spider-Man?
This video really encapsulates how I feel about these movies as a whole. It kills me how there was so much potential for this to be a successful franchise, but Sony was way too ambitious way too soon & what gets me every time I think about it, is if they had had better writing & more time to prepare & think, they would be on The Amazing Spider-Man 5 by now
I would say right now anyways, the amazing spider man is far from forgotten
Garfield’s energy *screams* classic Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and is my favorite live-action performance to date.
Also, while the plotting was poor, Marc Webb’s direction had a lot energy and felt immersive, as well as feel really authentic emotionally.
I never really understood his fans until NWH
There is so much wasted potential in these movies it hurts
I will forever hate Sony for all the studio interference for what happened to TASM 2. While the first wasn't great, it was still a good origin and jumping on point to launch what could've been a great trilogy. But you can just tell while watching TASM 2 that Sony was trying to play catch up to the MCU in one movie. It's like Sony just doubled down on what didn't work with Spider-Man 3 onto TASM 2.
4:53 TASM Spider-Man is much more 616 Spider-Man and also I would advise against using the Ultimate Spider-Man Comics as a inspiration if it is going to have Sony involved and I would stick with 616 Green Goblin if it’s a Sony movie 14:22
I always saw TASM movies to be kinda pointless other than a necessity to keep the character rights. He was way to dark in my opinion, ITSV got the Spider-Man tone down, not to dark but not to goofy. Overall Idk I just never found his story as interesting as Tobey or Tom’s.
watching this right after seeing the tasm movies for the first time in a while! i think one of the worst parts of those movies is the whole thing with his dad working for oscorp and being responsible for the spiders that gave him his powers... it was just too much for me. it's interesting that these movies are the only ones that focus on his parents at all though
I want to belive there is a real oportunity for a Tasm 3, Sony is doing this wierd Spider-man villan universe, they could just connect it with it, and revive it. ):
The first film was one that I honestly just couldn’t care for outside of the score and the opening titles, while the second film just seemed like wasted potential because you have a great score, you have a good actor and you have an actual amazing costume (because I really hated that first TASM one) it was sadly wasted in a not so good film. From what was shown in NWH, Andrew Garfield definitely proved that he can be a great Spider-Man if given the right material to work with, the costume from his second film was the first step while everything that was shown in No Way Home were the main ingredients. On top of that, Andrew Garfield can really act and if you want some good examples of his acting ability use The Social Network and the Doctor Who 2-parter, Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks as really good references.
I agree that the tasm films had a potential to set up its own cinematic universe like what the mcu did but all of that was completely shoved in and rushed on the final cut of Tasm2 putting so many set ups that completely is hard to recognized what the hell is Sony truly doing with their intended spider man cinematic universe all of this is because Sony was trying to catch up with marvel's success but they ultimately (no pun intended!) failed to do but they eventually patched things around in a soft rebooted manner starting with venom and spider man into the spider verse that came out after avengers infinity war on 2018.
After rewatching the Raimi films, I knew there was a reason why I really liked the universe they were trying to build in ASM.
Finding out it was moreso based on the ultimate comics (my favorite version of spidey) made me more interested in the story they were trying to tell. Too bad the producers & studios ruined the universe/characters :/
think it's a case of too many studios and sony didn't learn the amazing Spider-Man movies are great but they could of been better.
ASM was praised for having a better story, drama, and action than Raimi's. It was praised a lot. But, always, what was written and said is secondary to a popular later narrative.
I would have stuck with the Steve Ditko run of Spider-Man if I were Marc Webb and this is coming from someone who’s favorite version of Spider-Man is the Ultimate Comics version and can you really trust Sony with the Ultimate Spider-Man Comics, I know Marc Webb meant well but still
One petty nitpick I have about TASM2 is the theme. Zimmer is an amazing composer, but goddamn the trumpets blasting and nutting all over that theme is so annoying. Love the TASM1 theme though, the most out of all of them.
I enjoy the first one a lot. Fond memories of seeing that in theatres for my 14th birthday. It still has some pacing and plot issues though. I can’t stand the second one. Gwen’s death scene I think is the only part I liked. Also maybe a hot take but I love the suit in the first movie. It’s my favourite of all live action spideys
The main problem has always been keeping Peter Parker a teenager. That's the problem.. Hence why Peter B Parker stole the show in spider verse and why PS4 Spidey is such a hit. Hence why AG and Maguire are the crowd pleasers in far from home. We want our Spider-Man to grow up already. A seasoned Spidey who's basically a vet in his line of work. We want a Spidey who is struggling or could careless of making his rent and a Spidey with heart and more mature themes. Parker has always been ahead of the curve, he didn't stay in highschool for that long in the comics(616) Most of his most fascinating stories are when he's older. Let's stop trying to sell toys for a minute and let's mature the character. Miles can be that teenage adolescent story.
The big question I hope this answers, how did what was supposed to be a mid-budget reboot balloon to $200M+?
Because Sony didn’t want a mid budget reboot, they wanted a launch pad for their own Spider-Man cinematic universe and screwed over TASM2 to make it happen.
It is perplexing as to why not just make a a mid-budget movie and watch the box office make it back 20 times over, especially if it's a good film.
@@nunouno001 That's very true. I forgot about the mid credits thing and just remember them going all-in on TASM 2. It still seems like mid-budget was in mind, at least at first, with Webb being hired
(Going to actually watch this video now)
4:30 that sounds so much like nando v movies
That's because it is!
Really? Wow!
I always thought about the potential of TASM films, the first one feeling like half done. A science fiction movie about relationships and change and it gets interrupted by superhero stuff. The TASM 2…is a mess but it ends up with unintentional message.
It's amazing how much bad writing can ruin good enough concepts.
My takes.
TASM - Don't care for the suit. Performances are very good, almost great. The attempt to go dark and gritty falls flat.
THASM2 - Suit is vastly improved. Performances of the leads again are fantastic. They tried to get away from the grittiness of the 1st and overshot it. The film is all kinds of jumbled. There is way too much going on to fit inside a 2 hour movie and a lot of what makes the movie good (the performances and chemistry between the leads) are completely lost.
Man, I completely forget about everything they tried in TASM2: Electro, Harry, Gwen and Peter break up, they try and get back together, Peter's guilt of Gwen's father, Gwen's dying, his depression, and the beginning of the movie regarding Peter's parents. A lot of it going nowhere.
Andrew was a great Peter and Spidey but the script and studio meddling failed him. Another great video Owen!