I saw the behind the scenes mini doc made by Kubrick’s daughter. She was so exhausted and stressed it safe to say she is not acting at all! So yes strange reward to be handed out! She was incredible. But perhaps not so cool to have pushed her that hard
Her screams were so believable! SD was AWESOME! I enjoyed her character. She was kind, easy-going and just wanted to be accepted and loved by her husband. She was very tolerant. I would want to have cracked him over his head for treating me like that. I enjoyed her! SD, YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!
@@rnw2739 You think Nicholson is overrated? Never thought of that. I do enjoy his acting. I think he was great in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and other.
Stephen King was right. The Kubrick movie IS cold and heartless, and a movie made to hurt people, with its dishevelled characters, weird camera angles and dissonant music. That's what makes it brilliant!
That's what makes it horror. It's unrelenting. I always hated the ending in the book in which love conquers evil. Corny as fuck and has no place in a good horror story. I'll admit it fits in the book because it's very much about Jack overcoming his demons but I prefer the dark, unforgiving ending of the movie.
Check out the analysis about Kubrick making this film about Bohemian Grove and child sexual abuse. They make a much better case than the Apollo 11 stuff...and that's truly terrifying material
@@morsona3110 I'm more inclined towards the theory that The Shining is a metaphor for the Holocaust or for the United State's genocide against the Native Americans but I will check this out.
The tenuous way Shelly holds the knife in one scene, and her frustratingly weak swinging of the bat in another reminds me of a horrific nightmare where you are so frightened, that every muscle has simply turned to Jello...
@@wooblydooblygod3857 it wasn’t really her fault. The baseball bat scene took over 100 shots before Kubrick was satisfied, and they reshot each time without breaks for Shelley Duvall. She’d probably been holding that bat for a few hours without any rest or time to calm down with some water and food or anything. Plus all of the stress she endured the whole time filming
Movie studio execs have a thing for physically perfect people even when it doesn't make sense. Francis Ford Coppola talked about how he was pressured to cast an established leading man like Robert Redford as Michael Corleone. The studio pressured the makers of "Dirty Dancing" to cast a porn star as Baby. In many cases there's a fear that average looking people won't work.
Movie producers looking for actual on screen emotional talented actors and actresses to build on his sets and camera work ... That is the Stanley Kubrick magic in his movies. The actor Jack Nicholson and actress Shelly Duvall were a wonderful brilliant cast (no need of best 1970-80s renown actors and actresses) to fit Kubrick's idea that they weren't suddenly turned from being a good family to an almost destroyed family that Stephen King paints in his novel. Kubrick understands that families of already suffering irritatable and part of unhealthy psychological family initial head starts were not going to need much more to ignite potential horror and terror. That is how war in our world happens. Stephen King's on being believable vs being cartoonish or whimsical (throwing in supernatural ghosts vs could have just been imagined or own perception on imagination) that ironically Stephen King's version would have been not as great. Stanley Kubrick did pick a known actor Tom Cruise and actress Nicole Kidman (seasoned talent this time) in his last "Eyes Wide Shut" film not really because they did marry at that time as actor and actress real life but because of how good they were in the many movies they did leading up to the husband and wife with a dear child believable movie audience build. Stanley Kubrick is great at selling the terror of what really causes psychological breakdowns vs hypothetical supernatural or extra alien influences.
I love Shelly Duvall's performance in The Shining. I think one of the reasons people instinctively tend not to like it is that they like to imagine themselves in that situation reacting to horror and danger in a more presentable and dignified manner. Which I think is not realistic and comes almost entirely from one's own ego. The reality is, if someone stampeded into your home and tried to murder you, you'd probably have facial expressions that'd look pretty stupid on film too.
Completely agree. In most horror films the leading characters are quite cool and good looking and tough and we think we can relate to them but in reality (and in this situation) we’d be a lot more similar to Wendy and Jack Torrence, isolated, paranoid and scared and this makes us feel uncomfortable, it’s not surprising some would criticise Duvall’s performance, I would say they were in denial of their empathy.
I think people also get upset when main female characters don't look like supermodels lol She was excellent in this, check out interviews about filming- Kubrick deliberately put this woman through total hell to get those reactions, down to instructng the entire crew to ignore her.....for months. Shelly Duval herself thinks of the filming of this role as a huge trauma in her life.
I really just feel bad for Shelley, knowing how she was treated on set and also that people called her a bad actress. I think her performance was great and really fits in to this movie.
She still is the original "scream queen." I rate her performance as one of the most terrifying I've ever seen. It scared me so badly that I saw only one portion of the movie and then watched the rest a few years later! To this day, I have never sat down and watched the movie from start to finish. The only other movie to scare me as badly was "Scream." But that was because I immediately understood the premise: the point was that the outfit worn by the serial killer could be found anywhere so it was impossible to know who the killer was. And then after seeing the film, I saw the outfit innocently sitting on a shelf in a costume store! It really disturbed me. Kevin Williamson is a fucking genius.
honestly i think Kubrick was probably responsible for it he made it very clear that he espects perfection at the expense of everyone on set's health and safety and with the kind of influence he had he probably had a hand in her being nominated
Kubrick was awful towards Shelly, the baseball bat scene with the stairs was shot so many times, with no breaks, and went on for hours on end, just as most of the hard hitting scenes were done. Shelly was exhausted and you can tell in her acting, in which those tears and the terror and exhaustion is genuine. Which is why this scene (to me) hits the hardest with Wendy's growing fear for her husband hits its boiling point. Taking into the fact that Kubrick isolated Shelly from the rest of the crew/cast, and had them deliberately ignore Shelly when not filming, you can tell Shelly's hurt portrayed in this is real. It has been stated at one point the mental exhaustion Shelly experienced while filming made her consider quitting the film all together. The reason we've not seen Shelly in anymore huge roles like Wendy is because of the mental hurt this role done on her. Also, just as a random fact, Stephen King wanted Jessica Lange to play Wendy.
It might be that "reality is unrealistic" thing. Where media had so formed a vision of what real looks like, that it doesn't matter that it doesn't match reality. See also, silencer noises, black boxes being black, horses sounding like coconuts..
Kubrick literally drove shelly duvall insane. Shes not right to this day. Hell Nicholson isnt right to this day. On set Stanley would belittle Duvall and tell her how untalented and incompetent she was. He would mock her appearance by placing statues of goofy on set wearing what matched her wardrobe. Maybe what King meant is he literally hurt people, and part of what makes the movie uneasy is youre witnessing spiritual vampirism against real people.
TJP Oh, lordy. Kubrick didn't drive Shelly Duvall "insane". He was very hard on her during filming but that's a far cry from being in any way responsible for her mental illness. She continued to work throughout the 1980's (and was particularly great in Roxanne) and 90's.
while it’s true that he was extremely hard on duvall, he and nicholson had a good working relationship. he pushed them over the edge for sure, and he was undeniably cruel to duvall, but she was always unstable and jack nicholson is just... jack nicholson. i’m not defending kubrick’s treatment of her, though. just elaborating.
I really feel for Shelly Duvall. This was a terribly difficult movie for her. And she later kind of dropped out, lost her desire to act, and kind of lost her way. I don't think she ever truly recovered.
She started a production company and began writing and producing a children’s tv show for, I think, HBO. It was called “Fractured Fairy Tales” or something like that.
@@bigcrackrock You read the book... there is an *epic* battle between Wendy and Jack. I've read so many Stephen King books. The man is supports the women-folk.
@@kimberlys8422 Yeah but that in no way makes the film misogynistic. He was over reacting and virtue signalling, as much as I hate to use the term as it's thrown around carelessly now days. Good horror tends to try to ground the audience with characters reacting more as they would in reality to balance out the fantastical elements. Her smacking him with a baseball bat and being willing to stab him with a butcher knife is believable. An epic male vs female battle not so much.
@@bigcrackrock Yeah it does. Wendy is hysterically and feckless in the movie. Bug then again this is coming from the director of _Clockwork Orange_ which is all about rape.
The real terror is knowing how Kubrick treated his actors. Edit, 3 years down the line: That and the fact that y'all keep fucking replying to this. I get it, some of y'all are rude online.
He enforced method acting on them so their performances would be so believable, but he crossed a line. Shelley Duvall is not well to this day. However, Kubrick did go out of his way to protect Danny Lloyd. The boy didn't know he had been acting in a horror movie until a number of years after filming ended.
CommanderFuchs117 He only knew of the scenes he was in, and thought it was a really boring movie (during filming) especially because all the actors of the film were nice to him outside of filming, so he never thought it was intended to be a scary movie
Say what you want about Shelley Duvall's acting but I truly believe it's one of the best performances in modern horror movies. Her character goes from a true doormat to her overbearing alcoholic husband to a resourceful and tenacious mom who in the end shows her true grit by finally taking charge of a horrible situation. Plus the intense terror she emotes in her bat scene on the steps with Jack is truly acting genius.
King later said it took him years to learn that the story telling conventions are different for written and visual mediums. He learned that after the dreadful, but accurate to the book, TV version of The Shining.
God, that TV adaptation was a hard watch. It may have been more true to the book, but it was boring as hell and the acting was pretty poor. If only there had been something in between the Kubrik movie and that, it could've been great
Agreed. The book was all right, but the TV adaptation of the book (while accurate) was total shit. If that was King's vision for a Shining movie, he should have stuck with writing novels. Kubrick's story is an entirely different story based on similar ideas ("shining," haunted hotels, abuse, etc). Whole different story, whole different message. The Overlook in the book wants Danny (to absorb his power). The movie Overlook wants Jack. Even the endings are polar opposites -- the book ends with fire, the movie ends with ice. Kubrick deliberately deviated from the novel, using what was useful to him, discarding what was not. And in the end, produced something far greater.
I love how the shining has absolutely no jumpscares. For one, i hate jumpscares, but like this, all that building tension never gets released and is pressing down on you during the entire movie. There is never this relief after a loud noise, so the atmosphere feels choking and almost painful Are there any movies like this? Without jumpscares, the horror based on tension alone?
As I see it, Stephen king failed to recognise the strengths of the film medium as opposed to written media. He wanted an adaptation that was completely faithful, but didn't take into account the massive differences between what book and film can hammer home the best. Kubrick makes full use of the visual and sound aspects, Stephen does not.
Lithia I can see where King's coming from though. If I were in his shoes I'd probably be upset too. If you were an author you would want your story to be adapted faithfully, and Kubrick didn't do that. I think a little bit of it is just jealousy on King's part. A lot of people have only seen the movie, and will only ever see the movie. It gets praised more often than not as a masterpiece. People who've read the book praise it as well, but I think King's afraid that Kubrick took what he'd created and improved upon it. That's gotta suck to know that a lot of people consider the movie to be the superior version. Having not read the book Kubrick's movie is my only source of reference. Even if I were to read the book now I'd probably still side with the movie just because I saw it first.
tru, it seems like a lot of authors don't realize that either. i get wanting some creative control in an adaptation, but sometimes they should just leave it to the filmmakers
King's major criticisms were that the film didn't focus enough on or at least downplayed Jack's alcoholism problem so central to the book, while the idea of how a regular everyday man loses himself and becomes a violent monster to his family didn't translate all too well in Kubrick's film. He was especially critical about Jack Nicholson's casting, whom he saw as alreaady looking like a psycho even before they got to the hotel, thus destroying the above characterisation of a normal man's collapse to insanity. These were the things that in particular rubbed him the wrong way I believe, not necessarily that the film wasn't 100% the book given visual expression. I believe he even praised the actual filmmaking, but the key thematic elements that he felt Kubrick didn't either get or didn't think were necessary to focus on were at the heart of King's condemnation of the movie.
Then maybe I’ll have to watch it when I’m a bit older. When I first watched it, I was thirteen, and found it nerve wracking but not scary at all. Of course, I recognized it’s amazing quality, but I thought of it more of a thriller than a horror.
@FollowerOfJesus 101 I dunno maybe people react with fear to very different things, I usually find horror boring as hell instead of scary, except for this movie.
If Kubrick had done exactly what Stephen King wanted him to do we would have got a shit movie. I think we have to understand that you cannot directly translate a book to a film. You have to let the two mediums exist separately
The Shining is a great book. The Shining is also a fantastic movie that has impacted modern cinema in so many ways. Kubrick created a movie with such genuine and insane feelings that connects to the audience in such a special way. I'm glad the movie is the way it is, but let's be honest, you can't argue that the end justified the means. The fact that Shelley is still fucked up today, 40 years later, is proof of this.
I agree. I like the book but I like the movie too. I find the movie scarier than the book though and I say that because in the book, we get to see Jack get redemption and we see that he wasn’t always like that. Wendy is also more protective in the book. In the movie, you get the sense that Jack has always been antagonistic and abusive towards Danny. Wendy in the movie doesn’t see this until it’s almost too late and I really think that she’s later going to marry another abusive asshole. She failed Danny too.
I also was thinking about the miniseries of The Shining that was done some years later. At the end of the film, the Jack character is made up to look evil. They had to use makeup and special effects to accomplish what Nicholson did just using his own facial expressions.
Jack Nicolson stated that he was very angry of Kubrick’s treatment of Shelly Duvall and he did so many takes that Scatman Curthers was very disturbed and couldnt remember his lines
Scatman is still awesome, wasn't he a jazz musician? If so his characterization explaining the shining, with Doc, is so naturally believable, forgot I was an seeing act, rather than maybe a CCTV tape of an uncle or caring Teacher, sharing important confidance, such chemistry with a child actor, is rare.
I think Kubrick infamously mistreated Shelly during the filming in order to make her character fully alive. So that the actress would actually relate to the character directly
@@travismartin4863 That doesn’t make it okay to abuse her, or less suspicious that he treated her so vigorously, markedly worse than anyone in the entire cast, including the man playing the main character who’s supposed to be going insane.
Its just the freaking faces that Jack Nicholson is able to do that absolutely terrify us. All the time we just feel the anxiety of his cruelty in the brink of the snap.
As someone who has seen this film as a child and as an adult - Jack Nicholsons faces had like. .. the least to do with the real terror of it. It was the terror of the film that had everything to do with the terror of it.. stop trying to guess bullshit when it's right in front of your stupid fucking face.
@@nowhereman748 damn its almost like not all people have the same experience as you. I for one am still terrified of jack because of the faces he made. Really brought the character together and made the movie more terrifying.
thats one of the things i love about the film, both jack and shelly are able to pull these faces that show the true emotion they are going through the more the hotel takes control of them
The movie touches on real life horrors: domestic abuse, alcoholism, and murder-suicide. The theme is how the evil that drives these things never goes away…it gets passed down from one generation to the next.
Stanley Kubrick might have been a genius but he treated Shelley like an object and insulted her constantly. Plus, he kinda was rude with Malcom McDowell in a clockwork orange since the eye teraphy scene was completely real and Malcom had some lacrimation issues after this.
If anyone had an mean alcoholic dad.. this movie is pretty scary. **Edit for context clarification** Didn't think my comment would get that much attention, I want to clarify I love my father he really is one of the kindest dudes you'll meet and he wasn't a deadbeat. he went to work and paid his child support dues for 23 years and when he wasn't drinking he would help us fixing a bike or taking us fishing There was just something with alcohol that turned him into something dark and reminded me of jack going psycho.
I mean when I first read the book the first thing I thought of my dad so yeah it gave the book a whole other dread to it (not here for pity just thought it was interesting)
My dad wasn't an alcoholic....but we lived for a while with my aunt and her husband who is an alcoholic...it was scary to just remember how he treated my cousins and aunt.
Yeah, lotta deadbeat dads out there. Mine's a hard worker and stuck by us, but he can be a total psychotic utter prick at times. Dude is a complete screw loose.
Shelly Duvall is the star of this movie to me. I felt every emotion she felt. I never understood why people panned her performance (back then). Watching her is captivating.
I think a lot of that comes from how people first responded to The Shining. It wasn't just Shelley Duvall's performance that was criticized, but the entire film. Both Duvall and Kubrick got Razzie nominations for Worst Actress and Director respectively. Hard to believe now that The Shining is now so iconic, but it was such an unusual film at the time for both the horror genre and Kubrick's catalogue. Horror films weren't normally directed with such a consistently slow, psychological burn nor did they have the kind of acting like The Shining. In fact, I remember seeing Steven Spielberg talking about his reaction when he first saw The Shining. He criticized Jack Nicholson's performance as being over-the-top, or "Kabuki theater" as he called it. However, thankfully over time, people started seeing what Kubrick was getting at: gradually building tension through the film's atmosphere and raw emotion from the performances. It's a cliche to say, but geniuses are rarely appreciated for their genius in their day and age. Fortunately, Kubrick at least got to see the recognition he deserved for his film before his death.
I agree, Shelly's performance in the bathroom scene as Jack smashes through the door with the axe is extraordinary. The expressions in her face convey the panic, fear and terror that Wendy is experiencing at that moment. The shot where the axe breaks through and Wendy sees it for the first time would be such a difficult scene to play, Shelly Duvall plays it perfectly, her face shows absolute horror at that point.
Totally agree. I am a huge horror fan but the shining scares the crap out of me. I can't watch it for certain scenes. I was told to face my fears so I watched the specific scene that screws with my head. Shelly is great in it! Worst actress is bull! That face tells the story of terror
The Shining was specifically horrifying to me. As a child who grew up witnessing domestic violence, this behavior *wasn't* out of the norm to me. I barely remember this movie as being supernatural at all. I just thought it was like my father. The supernatural elements were excuses to fool his wife and child that he wasn't in control. He was. And was sadistic. And I was terrified knowing how hopeless and isolated the characters felt, and learning about the abuse of actors, I know that fear was genuine. I saw this as a child, haven't watched it since, and even my abused mom wasn't as scared as I was during it.
She's one of my favourite female leads of all time, and the most sympathetic by far. And to my dying day or possible afterlife I'll strongly criticise the dastardly, dickish and distorted decision to humiliate so likable a character with a bloody razzie award. AND especially King's language concerning her. Good old Shelly/Wendy. 😍
yesss! stephen king wanted Wendy to be a blonde, bubbly cheerleader type, but i think Shelley was a much better choice. she sort of reminds me of Violet from the Incredibles
Jack is realistically disturbing, I had an abusive ex that would start acting like Jack before he went off. I never saw a clear correlation between him and any character, but watching Jack Nicholson' s behaviour toward Shelley Long, gave me true deja-vu, PTSD, terror shivers. Even now, many years afterward, I have to admit, divorce can be a beautiful thing!
This. Those shots stayed with me way more than the twins in the hallway... There's something violently terrifying about seeing people contort their faces in ways that you wouldn't usually see in everyday life. I watched a friend of mine a have a bad panic attack a few years ago, and the way her face twisted into something almost inhuman as she gasped for breath.... I remember for a moment I was so terrified that I couldn't even get physically close to her to help her. Duvall's face in the "here's Johnny" scene still reminds me of the face my friend made mid-panic attack.
Jules Fish oh god that must’ve been scary for you to see your friend like that. Honestly people who experience or witnessed stuff like that tend to have a very interesting view point of movies and specific scenes compared to others. Has your friend ever seen the shinning? And if so what did they think of that scene in particular?
I always want movies especially horror to cast more typical looking people even not good looking if possible. I think it makes the movie better. No one really wants to see models on screen, I want to see good actors. There can be both but it’d be nice if they switched it up.
When I first saw The Shining I was immediately struck by how uncomfortably accurate the domestic abuse was to my own experience. The same polite and charming veneer my dad wore when around bosses and coworkers, the real side rearing its ugly face when no one else was looking, taking it out on my mom and our family; the cheerful denial-filled optimism of my mom, the way she walked on egg shells around my dad. The constant hanging threat of violence without (sometimes) the actual violence. Even the subtext of sexual tension and temptation... The criticism of the actors being "unrealistic" or "cartoony" is so absolutely untrue. More than anything else, that's what disturbs me the most about The Shining. It's the most gut-wrenchingly accurate depiction, literally and metaphorically, of the horror of domestic abuse that I've seen portrayed in a film.
Personally the one scene that made me the most uncomfortable was the bathroom scene were at first Jack sees the siloet of a person behind the shower curtain but when its shown that its a naked woman his face goes from being afraid to this creepy lustful/sadistic smile and because of the way the scene was shot it looked like he was looking at me and made me feel vulnerable and afraid. Its the underlying fear that some men are capable of doing disgusting things to woman in there most vulnerable that truly made me afraid.
How Shelley Duvall is even a name I've had to qualify as 'The wife in the Shining' to several people is baffling to me. Perhaps because I grew up watching Fairytale Theater or found Duvall to be attractive, but in the shining she's a completely different person. Her disheveled hair and contorted face, not the soft calming voice that introduced me to the Emperor's new clothes but a shaking cacophony. It left a huge impression on me - This place, these events Took a warm beautiful person and eroded and dug deep to find desperate ugliness.
I really don't understand how they saw the "ARARARARARARARARARRRR" scene and thought "hmm yeah this will terrify the audience put it in" It looks like something that you'd see at a cheap carnival haunted house. Especially with the way he jumps out.
When I was 11, my friend and I had a sleepover in her big house. All I was told was "My mom rented us a movie about a hotel." I was like, ok... that's weird. I went into it with no idea what I was in for. It absolutely terrified me. I couldn't take a shower without my mom in the room for like two weeks, cuz the scene where he finds a woman in the bathroom who ends up becoming a naked zombie. Also the blood and the little girls really scared me. All I can say is, WTF was my friend's mom thinking?!
Henry Gilbert over at Laser Time had a good point for why The Shining is really frustrating for someone like Steven King -- "The book is about a normal person becoming a crazy person. The movie is about a crazy person turning into a cartoon character." I can absolutely see why King, as a writer, would see Nicholson and think, "Oh my god what the fuck is he doing." Shining is a movie that ages better than it sits on release night and I think thirty years has shown that. Even King himself is like, "Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking."
Bryh Eh, I thought it was good. It wasn't meant to be on the same level of storytelling as the game. It was meant to be 1.5-2 hours of fun and enjoyment. And you know what. The soundtracks for it are better than the game. That's one thing they can lord over the game. Especially since they used a soundtrack from it to introduce it at E3.
Normal horror films try to be entertaining, surprising. The Shining tries to be disturbing and horrifying, wich is why its more disturbing ans horrifyng than most horror movies, as obvious as that sounds. Of course its much harder to do that than to make a standar horror flick, but this is Kubrick we are talking about.
I always thought the hotel was like an anomaly in time. Where no linear patterns can exist and time is free flowing. You warp in and out or its all occuring at once. Jacks mind is bending along with time
In the book it taps into this a bit stronger, describing different eras of music playing in the ballroom at different times and people wearing clothing from different times all in the room at the same time, etc
@@ischeele7203 I still think it´s about that , only doubts I have these days about that song´s ambiguities is how those knuckleheads , in that band , would ever explore such concepts lol . Mind you , at least one of them had much better things to explore lol .
the fact a guy can fly from Miami to where they are and go up the mountain in a snow storm and they are still wearing the same clothes? time definitely doesn't work right
You have to remember that The Shining opened the same night as Friday the 13th part 1.. People wanted a slasher, not a (psychological horror) drama. It wasn't until much, much later that people became aware of how good The Shining really is. It was basically a late bloomer
MaD MaX: Games, epicness, ect. Why is the book better in your opinion? Most people who genuinely feel the same way don’t actually know what they are looking at. I would bet real flesh on that being the same case with the critics of the time. The answer to me is that these are two entirely different categories of storytelling with the same premise using two different mediums.
Kubrick movies always got mixed reactions when they came out. Newsweek loved it, Time disliked it. I didn't care for it much when I first saw it on cable in 1981, although the little girls and the lady in the tub were scenes that everyone agreed were really scary. In 1980 most films did not "open wide" in a thousand theaters. The opening weekend was not quite as important, and films were allowed to build momentum by word of mouth, and more prints were made as necessary.
@Sam Hodges I didn't like the ending myself, but the rest of the film is really good. It had great acting, inventive cinematography, and some very uncomfortable moments that, instead of resorting to cheap scares, targeted the audience psychologically. It seems a bit unfair to call it awful for the ending alone.
At 2:50 "There's so many little subtle suggestion that something bad is going to happen. We're told that the previous winter caretaker went insane and murdered his wife and daughters with an axe." Absolutely. That's precisely the sort of subtle suggestions I look for when I apply for a job and wonder if it's "the right fit" for me, whether any previous employees went insane and murdered their families with an axe.
As an Indian there is story in our ancient mythological texts that talks about a man who is in the middle of a battle (Mahabharat) he asks a rishi( old saint) why is this war happening and the old saint replies that earth is our mother and she sometimes demands blood from us to sooth it's thrist and that's the reason anger and violence exists now coming back to the film we hear how the hotel is made on the burial grounds of native americans where they fought wars for survival but lost and that's the reason once in while earth gives birth to a man who can be manipulated , angered and who takes the action with blood and that's the reason every winter in overlook hotel comes a man to sooth the thirst of mother nature and this time it was jack who did it and if he fails , he gets consumed by the earth
Can't believe this comment doesn't have way more likes. It's absolutely the most poignant, intelligent and real summary of the story I've ever heard. The story actually makes sense to me now.
I'm glad you were able to explain why the scene of Jack holding Danny in his lap makes me so viscerally uncomfortable. I've never been able to put it into words but seeing him hold Danny makes me sick, like I want to rip him away from him.
Especially when he said he'll never hurt him but then later on we find out that he actually hurt Danny 3 years ago over the littlest thing. So it is indeed scary & you can see Danny feeling physically uncomfortable being held by Jack in his lap.
She’s so plain and emotionless for like half of it! “Oh yeah ha ha my kids weird ha ha” 🙂 Edit: I also love how she’s like 😦😐😦😐😦😐😦😐😦😐😦😐😦😐 for a lot of the scenes
The whole thing about showing the actors reaction to something before showing what triggered it is so true. I actually find the scariest thing about this film is the characters reactions, and particular Danny's reactions to things, the wide eyed expressions he does intercut with the woman rising out of the bath, for example, makes me shiver writing about it, he looks so genuinely terrified it makes the whole thing seem 5 times as scary
This is a weird example, but on gt lives playthrough of ddlc their reactions to the jumpscares make me way more terrified than the game itself. To me, it's imagining myself in that situation than what comes
To me, the most terrifying part of The Shining has always been Danny’s wide eyed expression of pure, absolute horror. It always struck an empathetic chord within my psyche that almost injected his feelings of paralyzed, frozen panic into my soul. It’s second hand terror...like a primitive version watching somebody yawn, therefor you *have to* yawn, reflexively. But it’s much more immediate. A perfect visual embodiment of “trauma”.
Same. I read the book at a really young age then my dad let me watch the movie, I related to Danny so much as a little kid watching that movie. One of my favorites, Still read and watch it once every year basically
I think something else about Jack and Shelley's appearances that make this movie unsettling is that they look more like your regular, average, everyday people, unlike the actors in most movies who are convenientionally beautiful, and as you said, clean cut. As you mentioned, abuse in a family is a real situation that many people go through everyday. It's psychologically damaging to anyone who goes through it. This movie is also psychologically damaging in a lot of ways because of this. Their "normal" appearances makes this movie and the situations that happen within it more realistic. It gives off the feeling that this could happen to any of us, because it happens to so many people every single day, we just don't know about it.
I read the book long before I ever saw the Kubrick movie, and I've come to a rather simple conclusion. Kubrick's The Shining is a garbage adaptation of the book, but taken as a separate entity it's a excellent piece of horror cinema. Both King and the fans are right, just on different things.
Different media requires different techniques to be successful. If you try to 100% translate Lord of the Rings (for example) to a movie it would be shit. The same happens when to try to translate a movie to a book (read the book adaption of Hook or Dumb and Dumber for a good example of this). Broadway type plays have the same problem (for example, Le Miserable).
Phillip Malerich Adaptation never meant being a copycat. Kubrick did what he felt was good as far as film grammar and film form is concerned. King was a great novel writer but a bad film writer. Both the mediums are different, paper and celluloid.
I wonder if King still feels the same way. I love him as a novelist but perhaps he let his ego cloud his judgement of this excellent and unique piece of horror Kubrick created.
Nowadays, he doesn't hate the movie with every fiber of his being like he did before. He has softened a bit as he's gotten older and sobered up (the book was written when he was an alcoholic; much like Jack Torrance and was diving deeper into cocaine addiction). He still feels it's a "subpar" adaptation of his source material. And as someone who read the book, he isn't wrong. It still bugs me that Halloran dies in the movie when he lives in the book and how passive Wendy is compared to her more active book counterpart. Jack's descent into madness is more gradual in the book while in the film it does indeed feel like movie Jack was always on the edge even before arriving at the Overlook. However, he does understand why audiences are drawn to it and in a way respects that.
@jbvader721 I think the biggest reason why the movie is so different is because I don't think you can even adapt the horror from the book. It's simply because of the difference in medium. To me the reason the book was scary was because you spend so much time in the characters heads. That just isn't possible in film.
The wolf mask scene in Stanley’s film has always scared me, and I’m not easily scared too much in movies anymore. It’s just unsettling, and unexplainable, and random. And your brain, like super eyepatch bro said, really just panics, and doesn’t know why, which causes you to panic even more.
I still believe the part where Wendy finds that Jack's been typing the same phrase over and over, is the absolute best and freakiest part of the movie.
The thing that blows my mind is that someone actually sat down and typed out every one of those pages. Kubrick insisted that there would need to be typos, slightly misaligned letters and fading ink which can't be achieved through photocopying.
Thing is, no matter how fast a typist Jack is, that still represents hours of effort over multiple days. We know he's crazy by that point, but that tells us he's been crazy for a while. Did he think he was writing a great novel when he was doing that?
Kubrick is a perfectionist. He couldn't have faked the moon landing because if he did, no one would know. It would have no inconsistencies is Kubrick filmed it.
Kubrick wasn't so perfect that there weren't any minor continuity errors etc. The main reason he didn't do that moon footage is it would have looked a lot better if he had.
If you look at the moon shuttle sequence in 2001 A Space Odyssey, when the flight attendant walks on Velcro you can see that the effect doesn't work-- it is obvious that she is walking in earth gravity and trying to fake weightlessness. That is a technical flaw in an otherwise great movie. Compare it to the effects in the movie "Gravity" with Sandra Bullock.
Living with a person who was psychotic and having to flee with our daughter, this is a kind of fear that when you have experienced something very very mildly similar it's so much scarier and dread inducing
@Trey Atkins I've heard good things about It Follows, but I'm not much for jump scares. Does It Follows rely more on atmospheric dread and creepiness or does it shove jump scares down your throat?
The Shining (1980), from the director of '2001: A Space Odyssey' and 'A Clockwork Orange' The Shining (1997), from the director of 'Critters 2: The Main Course' and 'Psycho IV: The Beginning'
I decided to watch this film during the night by myself in my room all alone. It was the first time I watched this film and I didn't expect how horrifying it was actually going to be. I wanted to stop watching multiple times, but like Wendy it felt impossible to escape because I was so riveted to the plot, characters, and settings. Definitely one of the best films I have seen in my life.
Me too! I watched it on HBO or Cinemax one late night long after I was supposed to be asleep! I was terrified. Yet I couldn't change the channel! I was 7yrs old. By no coincidence, the first "adult" novel I read was by Stephen King. Yes it was "The Shining." That was 5 yrs later. I love Stephen King. His novels hit home and bring out every emotion we are capable feeling. At the same time, Stanley Kubrick's The Shining is a cinematic masterpiece!
I watched it during the day a few months ago for the first time, and I felt so unsettled I had to turn my light on. Of course I had to watch it to the end because it pulls you in even while making you feel uneasy
Agree 100% with you... Kubrick didn’t have a clue about how to make a scary movie... it is a great movie though! To me, Eyes Wide Shut is scarier than The Shining...
don't discriminate hate everyone equally the soundtrack was what scared me the most! It’s my favorite horror film score! Also Wendy talking to Tony was terrifying!!!
Think you're inadvertently hitting the nail there.... The 1980 Shining earns and reinforces its horror first by being CREEPY. That's totally different to just trying to 'scare' you 👍
This film would have been no where near as iconic without Duvall’s performance. I can’t even imagine the kind of actress King wanted instead… Blonde hair, beautiful, just the stereotypical hot wife basically. Duvall had a unique appearance and her performance is utterly stress inducing. You can just tell how tired, scared and stressed out she is the more the film progresses, which I guess is what Kubrick wanted. I don’t agree with her treatment on set at all, but her and Kubrick both said the final product was worth it. Her performance is just insanely memorable, and will forever be apart of horror film history. The fact that both Duvall and Kubrick were nominated at the Razzies should tell you everything you need to know about that shitty ceremony.
She only said the end result was worth it bc she felt pressured to. She was in the project after all. Also I don’t think king was upset abt her appearance. He called the movie misogynistic bc it took away a lot of her character development. This happened bc Kubrick specifically had it out for Duvall and cut down her screen time to spite her (among many other things).
I gotta say this for your sake! you actually made a little masterpiece here, yourself. editing cutting, and story telling, about their filming. this is a 10/10 performance on your part. thanks bro, and cheers
You touched on how he made them redo scene, but it’s sad because Kubrick also emotional abused Duval on set. The bat scene has a record, I believe, because he made her act it out over and over again and saying it wasn’t good enough. And apparently told people not to praise her for her work, but to do so with everyone else. In a way, it was method acting with her knowing. I guess it worked because she seems genuinely terrified during the movie but it’s really sad what it did to her. She said she was never the same after this movies, even today.
It's arguable that it's for the art. It almost wouldn't definitely fly today and I think majority of people recognize the significance of the trauma Kubrick caused. As art, it's amazing. As real, actual people and the effects of what can happen, it's horrible. It's an incredible case study, at the least.
This is exactly what he did with Eyes Wide Shut as well. He was borderline abusive toward both Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman throughout filming of that movie that they both went through emotional trauma, and their relationship suffered quite a bit. And like in The Shining, it was successful in adding to the tension between the characters, but at such a cost to the real actors.
16:59 "Boo!"😕 That's the best Steven Weber could come up with and in that pitch? He sounds more comical than terrifying. Jack Nicholson puts him to shame every time.
Ace B lol. It definitely lacks something compared to Nicholson, but really, could anything Weber have said in that moment compared to, "Here's Johnny!"?
Steven Weber is basically breaking the 4th wall in that scene. "Boo!" is more or less for the audience, expecting him to repeat Jack Nicholson. I don't think mr Torrance said anything in the book
To be fair, the entirety of the Shining mini-series climax IS one massive comedy. To even think that any of what's happening is supposed to actually be seriously scary is ridiculous in itself.
Critics at the time weren't looking for a movie that was basically on the level of literature; they were looking for the normal "scary" movie. Like much literature, it took some time before people realized the layers that make up the movie, and how much care was taken in crafting it.
you see, this is why we need more horror movies like this. The latest horrors are just shows with bunched up jumpscares with a bare storyline. We need more works like this. This time, I am truly desperate for more.
I was watching the Junji Ito video before this one and realized... The "character see the scare before the audience" is just the translation of the "page turn" technique :o Now if this would be more used in horror movies, I bet the genre would be a LOT better But I need to know if Kubrick at least apologized to Shelly :'(
from my memory, I'm pretty sure Kubrick has never publicly apologized to Shelly, but after the release of the movie, he'd speak publicly on how well he think Jack and Shelly did. so once the movie is over he did show everyone that he does think she's talented and just wanted to push her, but no tangible consolation outside of that.
the more I see this movie The More I Love the in-between scenes. Jack is the caretaker but he sleeps in till past 11:00 in the morning and Wendy is doing all the work checking the boilers etc. I love the look on the doctor's face when Wendy tries to tell her with confidence that Jack has been sober for 5 months. I love the difference in Jack's tones of voice when he's calling home from the hotel with an upbeat Cadence compared to the slow downtrodden Cadence when they are driving to the Overlook and he's talking about the Donner party. and the by the way method that the hotel manager explains that the hotel is built on an Indian burial ground and they had to fight off raids by the Native Americans to get it built. when Jack is bouncing the tennis ball and throwing it up against the wall in a totally disrespectful manner. he would never do that in front of the manager. everything about that place is creepy.
I never noticed that we see the characters' reactions to the horror before we see the horror. The few seconds of mystery forces your mind to imagine something scary on your own, and then you actually see what's happening. It's like two scares for the price of one.
I just recently watched this... and didnt watch the chase scene. The insanity that the father portrays resembles of my father when he was drunk. Its like reliving those frightening moments again.
Same. My father had (I'm not a religious man but there's no other way to describe it) truly demonic rage. The Shining taps into that. Nicholson's brand of crazy,: that state of being that is so loud, present, malevolent but eerily so clear and even mocking- jovial in a sick nihilistic way- I think it would truly frighten some people to know intimately that level of crazy does exist and in some households, almost every night.
The scariest thing about the movie are Nicholson’s eyebrows. There’s just so much in this movie that seems familiar to me. I am an only child, with an indecisive mother, and father violent and threatening. And we were emotionally alone in our little community in the foothills of California. It was the 50s and 60s, and when the sheriff was called because of the violence the policy was to not respond when domestic. There were no mental health resources back then, the county didn’t even have building codes yet. My mother and I were church goers and the elders said if my mother and I were a better wife and daughter Dad wouldn’t be so violent and threatening. In the winter the electric would be off for weeks due to the snow, and without the mitigating comfort of the TV blaring, our small but comfortable house became a liminal landscape each yearned to escape. My mother and I went to a different church and eventually told our story. The new minister said if my mother didn’t leave Dad, he would surely kill her. The minister even offered my mother money to hire a divorce lawyer. So no, it’s an understandable movie, and Nicholson’s eyebrows are just terrifying.
racoon- i did, but it took me all this time carefully studying the movie clips from all the different you tube analysis of the movie. lol. just like the playgirl magazine clip,,, i never knew that,,, all up to just this past year or so of watching all the different you tube analytical videos of this movie, all the years of watching this movie over and over again never getting tired of it,, i never knew that part, until here recently. lol. duh. that's why i like analytic vids of certain movies that i liked over the years, i get different perspectives and takes from other people's point of view, which adds even more intrigue and drama internally for me with different movies, which can make me like the movie even more. it's great to share like that. good eye racoon.
Every line of it is actually written out. It's not one page that they just copied. The painstaking attention to detail in Kubrick's films is something else.
The scariest thing in the Shining is the fact that Jack when he's gone fully off (Nicholson and Torrence) is that he looks like he's enjoying being malicious
No the scariest part is the fact that all the crazy elements are really just happening in Wendy's head. Go watch the video The Wendy Theory Wendy was having a psychological break and the evidence is in every scene.
@@ynkybomber but they’re not in her head. He did physically hurt her. Doctor sleep explained how bad Jack hurt her. He took her ability to walk. These conspiracy theories.. while cool, really tend to make no sense to me after you remember there is a second book and movie that makes sure you don’t get too far off track.
I think he was enjoying doing such a comedic performance. He got a real kick out of being hilarious, which, strangely, is what Kubrick wanted in a horror movie.
You forgot to mention, that the actress Shelly Duvall was never praised or encouraged throughout the making of the film. Also there were rumors that she wasn't awared of the infamous axe scene, so she was legitimately terrified.
Hà Linh Bùi, she was an adult, she should get over it. Or be a better actress to begin with - Kubrick finally got exactly what he wanted out of her performance, but it took a ridiculous number of takes. I'm sure he was just as frustrated. He was famously supportive and well-mannered towards all the actors he worked with, and Duvall seems to be the only exception. Why? And if she couldn't stand his behaviour, she should have walked out. Again, she was an adult. I can't stand this silly narrative about how Kubrick supposedly destroyed her life. About those rumors, I doubt they're true: There would be genuine surprise only during the first take, which Kubrick probably wouldn't use anyway.
I'm pretty sure the whole point of doing things so many times was to frustrate the actors to the point he could get the take he wanted, I doubt Shelly complained much but she most likely was just as frustrated as everyone else when filming.
Ok, I'm not talking down on the film in any way. I was just trying to say that's also what made the portrayal so unnervingly terrifying. And I have no opionion on Kubrick's actions toward Shelly. Just want to put a disclaimer right here.
I doubt it, what do you think she thought she was doing? "I just saw jack nicholson with an axe and a dozen replacement doors on set, and my script says he's gonna break through the bathroom door, and the crew told me to keep clear of the door. I'm sure this is just a normal shot of me hiding in the bathroom with a knife and that nobody will try to break down the door with an axe or anything."
Hà Linh Bùi, yeah, your post triggered my answer, but my response was directed towards all those who go " _poor Shelly Duvall, boo-hoo, Kubrick was such a MONSTER_ " and not actually you :P Sorry if it seemed otherwise.
Two things that drive me nuts when talking about the Shining. 2. Thinking that Stanley Kubric faked the moon landing (Even the Soviets admitted that we beat them in the space race) 1. People thinking Shelly Duvall is not a fantastic actress. (I've never seen anyone look so scared as a target in a horror movie)
@edek I have automatonophobia, which is fear of mannequins. It's loosely connected to a fear of masks. For the most part, I'm fine, unless I'm watching a horror movie, where if you see a mask, it's usually always used for scare purposes.
@edek It got significantly easier to manage as I started to see more and more media with creepy masks and mannequins in it (idk why). I watched this when I was younger, which is why I had such an intense reaction
It’s interesting what is said about the “film that hurts people”… having read the book, I found that the atmosphere created by Kubrick was MUCH more true to the book! The story itself was adapted strongly of course, but even though the mini series is technically more accurate, I still find the overlook as a character itself is more accurate in Kubricks film. The hedge monsters in the book were so scary, and I think Stanley’s switch to a hedge maze was a great way to reference something that would’ve been impossible to execute in a scary way. King seems to not understand how the execution of fear in a film is so different to that achieved in writing… I wonder if there was a personal element for king in the portrayal of Jack that made him resent the original film (keeping in mind Stephen’s personal issues with alcohol). In the book he is a shadowed man but is also depicted as having genuine love for his family, his character weakened through addiction, making him a target for possession by the overlook. In the film, jack is portrayed as twisted from the beginning. In the book, Danny and Jack are very close as well… perhaps it was more that Jack Torrance was depicted as straight up evil and unredeemable from the start. The wolf mask man I also found scary in the book. I didn’t agree that the scene from the mini series was accurate, even if the script was closer - it’s the execution that makes the mini series terrible. It’s just not made by a good filmmaker who understands fear. The violence feels gimmicky and student-filmy and poorly acted. The mini series may have been successful in its depiction of the plot if it was more accurately casted and directed by a decent director 🤷♀️
Great points all. The thing that gets me is that haters of the movie claim Book-Jack is more sympathetic, forgetting that Book-Jack participates in a hit-and-run and later, in a moment of blood-rage, almost cracks open the skull of his student on the pavement. There's a line I remember from the novel, in which Book-Jack reminisces about his time playing football and how "every game was a grudge match". How is all that more "sympathetic"?
One other thing is that the Overlook's layout doesn't make SENSE in several subtle ways, if you examine multiple scenes in the same area. The wall with the outside window, in the office where Jack has the interview, should abut a corridor. Hotel room doors that should have nothing behind them. With any other director, you might assume they cut corners on something that nobody would ever check, or missed some little detail, but not Kubrick. It all adds to this sense of wrongness.
actually your wrong the Moon landing was not filmed by Stanley it was filmed buy his brother Iggie ...who used a .28 Zeis lens made from crushed french people skulls ..
The music and the visuals are what make The Shining the scariest movie for me. Already the opening score makes me shiver and get goosebumps immediately I hear it....
I've seen the movie years ago, but, if I'm not wrong, the theme at the start revolves around the medieval tune of the Dies Irae. The same one the penitents chant in The Seventh Seal. Very menacing indeed
16:00 The sheer unnerving, otherworldly atmosphere of the performances and the music always leaves me in such an edge-of-my-seat state that the sharp, sudden cut to Danny's agape face of terror, despite having zero jump scare sound cue, always makes my heart skip far more than most horror films' hamfisted loud-boom jumpscares ever could.
it´s not that strange to me that The Shining has not been as influential as,say,The Exorcist,but what i don´t get is why more horror movies don´t try to use colors beyond black and red after watching this,there are bright colors everywhere and a noticeably lack of shadows and that makes it even more unnerving!
What makes you say it's not as influential? "All work & no play make Jack a dull boy" & "Your Mother sucks cocks in Hell" are equally well known. Jack Torrance is a very well known character, but without googling it I wouldn't be able to tell you the name of the mother from the Exorcist... I think they're equally well known, but for different reasons. The Shining for it's characters, The Exorcist for it's stunning effects.
Kubrick did use red as a sign of danger a few times though. Like, when the cook got into the room with the red slim pillars, I immediately knew Jack was hiding behind one of them. Or when Jack headed to the almost completely red restroom with the waiter who was literally him. Both times, something extremely bad happened (a death of a man and another man reaching 100% insanity). It was really well done though, the color red never felt over-used like in other horror movies. I definitely won't forget this film for a while. A very special experience.
I agree with this I don't know what happened this years but RUclips went from a place with chill people to a shithole of scumbags. Like one can comment anything with the most neutral wording posible and someone will find a way to offend or feel offended.
I remember a screenshot going around of a pornhub comments section where everyone's just earnestly talking about mental health and how they're getting over depression that week. Wish we could get more of that instead of boring Pepe memers...
I love how Kubrick can create such suspense and fear while keeping every scene so brightly lit. I feel uneasy just seeing the green bathroom, or the red one.
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the fact that Shelly won worst actress is absolutely unimaginable to me. Her performance is incomparable and no one could have done it better
I agree, i definitely see terror. Maybe that scene where jack was axing the door down to the bathroom and her screaming is why 🤔
And that’s because she was legit scared during some of the scenes. Like the here’s Johnny scene. Also Kubrick stressed her to death
@@goat504 dang
@@ms.pirate Sometimes I feel like people don't actually know what real human emotions are like.
I saw the behind the scenes mini doc made by Kubrick’s daughter. She was so exhausted and stressed it safe to say she is not acting at all! So yes strange reward to be handed out! She was incredible. But perhaps not so cool to have pushed her that hard
WHAT! Worst actress? Shelly was brilliant! She’s what made it all the more believable
Her screams were so believable! SD was AWESOME! I enjoyed her character. She was kind, easy-going and just wanted to be accepted and loved by her husband. She was very tolerant. I would want to have cracked him over his head for treating me like that. I enjoyed her! SD, YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!
Just check out the thumbnail!
Far better than over rated Nicholson!
@@rnw2739 You think Nicholson is overrated? Never thought of that. I do enjoy his acting. I think he was great in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and other.
Many people seem to think Shelly Duval was miscast, but I think she was perfect.
Stephen King was right. The Kubrick movie IS cold and heartless, and a movie made to hurt people, with its dishevelled characters, weird camera angles and dissonant music. That's what makes it brilliant!
That's what makes it horror. It's unrelenting. I always hated the ending in the book in which love conquers evil. Corny as fuck and has no place in a good horror story. I'll admit it fits in the book because it's very much about Jack overcoming his demons but I prefer the dark, unforgiving ending of the movie.
@@kevtb874 I quite agree.
Stephen is a good author, but his opinions are not law, particularly on his own works.
Check out the analysis about Kubrick making this film about Bohemian Grove and child sexual abuse. They make a much better case than the Apollo 11 stuff...and that's truly terrifying material
@@morsona3110 I'm more inclined towards the theory that The Shining is a metaphor for the Holocaust or for the United State's genocide against the Native Americans but I will check this out.
The tenuous way Shelly holds the knife in one scene, and her frustratingly weak swinging of the bat in another reminds me of a horrific nightmare where you are so frightened, that every muscle has simply turned to Jello...
I mean honestly it only annoys me.
It ain't exactly hard to just... hold it? Y'know? Like a normal human?
@@wooblydooblygod3857 it's not that simple dude
@@S1lliest_Beanz ....
Have you ever held a knife before?
@@wooblydooblygod3857 it wasn’t really her fault. The baseball bat scene took over 100 shots before Kubrick was satisfied, and they reshot each time without breaks for Shelley Duvall. She’d probably been holding that bat for a few hours without any rest or time to calm down with some water and food or anything. Plus all of the stress she endured the whole time filming
@wooblydooblygod skin on her hands was raw from squeezing the bat for over 100 takes
Someone once told me that The Shining is a bad movie.
I...corrected them.
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This comment just made my night. Thank you!
Also, I love Shelley Duval’s performance. I can’t picture anyone else in the role. I think she was perfect as Wendy.
Movie studio execs have a thing for physically perfect people even when it doesn't make sense. Francis Ford Coppola talked about how he was pressured to cast an established leading man like Robert Redford as Michael Corleone. The studio pressured the makers of "Dirty Dancing" to cast a porn star as Baby. In many cases there's a fear that average looking people won't work.
@@reginabillotti no one was commenting on her physical appearance except for you...the comment was about her incredible acting ability and style.
@@Yentra163 Um, did you watch the same video I did? Because it talks about her casting.
@@reginabillotti still wasn’t the point of the comment you replied to
Movie producers looking for actual on screen emotional talented actors and actresses to build on his sets and camera work ... That is the Stanley Kubrick magic in his movies. The actor Jack Nicholson and actress Shelly Duvall were a wonderful brilliant cast (no need of best 1970-80s renown actors and actresses) to fit Kubrick's idea that they weren't suddenly turned from being a good family to an almost destroyed family that Stephen King paints in his novel. Kubrick understands that families of already suffering irritatable and part of unhealthy psychological family initial head starts were not going to need much more to ignite potential horror and terror. That is how war in our world happens. Stephen King's on being believable vs being cartoonish or whimsical (throwing in supernatural ghosts vs could have just been imagined or own perception on imagination) that ironically Stephen King's version would have been not as great. Stanley Kubrick did pick a known actor Tom Cruise and actress Nicole Kidman (seasoned talent this time) in his last "Eyes Wide Shut" film not really because they did marry at that time as actor and actress real life but because of how good they were in the many movies they did leading up to the husband and wife with a dear child believable movie audience build. Stanley Kubrick is great at selling the terror of what really causes psychological breakdowns vs hypothetical supernatural or extra alien influences.
I love Shelly Duvall's performance in The Shining. I think one of the reasons people instinctively tend not to like it is that they like to imagine themselves in that situation reacting to horror and danger in a more presentable and dignified manner. Which I think is not realistic and comes almost entirely from one's own ego. The reality is, if someone stampeded into your home and tried to murder you, you'd probably have facial expressions that'd look pretty stupid on film too.
That's what I've been saying
She was amazing in this film, very believable
Completely agree.
In most horror films the leading characters are quite cool and good looking and tough and we think we can relate to them but in reality (and in this situation) we’d be a lot more similar to Wendy and Jack Torrence, isolated, paranoid and scared and this makes us feel uncomfortable, it’s not surprising some would criticise Duvall’s performance, I would say they were in denial of their empathy.
I totally agree with you, L Dallas. The Shining looks and feels very real, as if it could be reality.
I think people also get upset when main female characters don't look like supermodels lol
She was excellent in this, check out interviews about filming-
Kubrick deliberately put this woman through total hell to get those reactions, down to instructng the entire crew to ignore her.....for months. Shelly Duval herself thinks of the filming of this role as a huge trauma in her life.
I really just feel bad for Shelley, knowing how she was treated on set and also that people called her a bad actress. I think her performance was great and really fits in to this movie.
She still is the original "scream queen." I rate her performance as one of the most terrifying I've ever seen. It scared me so badly that I saw only one portion of the movie and then watched the rest a few years later! To this day, I have never sat down and watched the movie from start to finish. The only other movie to scare me as badly was "Scream." But that was because I immediately understood the premise: the point was that the outfit worn by the serial killer could be found anywhere so it was impossible to know who the killer was. And then after seeing the film, I saw the outfit innocently sitting on a shelf in a costume store! It really disturbed me. Kevin Williamson is a fucking genius.
honestly i think Kubrick was probably responsible for it he made it very clear that he espects perfection at the expense of everyone on set's health and safety and with the kind of influence he had he probably had a hand in her being nominated
She was a mid actress in the shining, at best
Shelley's treatment at the hands of Kubrick is an urban myth. It's not true at all
Kubrick was awful towards Shelly, the baseball bat scene with the stairs was shot so many times, with no breaks, and went on for hours on end, just as most of the hard hitting scenes were done. Shelly was exhausted and you can tell in her acting, in which those tears and the terror and exhaustion is genuine. Which is why this scene (to me) hits the hardest with Wendy's growing fear for her husband hits its boiling point.
Taking into the fact that Kubrick isolated Shelly from the rest of the crew/cast, and had them deliberately ignore Shelly when not filming, you can tell Shelly's hurt portrayed in this is real. It has been stated at one point the mental exhaustion Shelly experienced while filming made her consider quitting the film all together. The reason we've not seen Shelly in anymore huge roles like Wendy is because of the mental hurt this role done on her.
Also, just as a random fact, Stephen King wanted Jessica Lange to play Wendy.
American horror story jessica Lange? I couls see it
@@tophergofer9895 She looks a lot more like how Wendy is described in the book.
Whoa! Thank you for that golden info! ✨✨
@@tophergofer9895 Yes, AHS Jessica Lange lol.
NO JESSICA LANGE. SD DID A WONDERFUL JOB!
How the hell did Shelly Duvall get a razzie nomination? She has the most realistic expressions of fear I’ve ever seen in a movie
It's not realistic it's real
Frrrr tho and I hope she can rest a little easier every day she strays further from the time she acted under Kubrick
It might be that "reality is unrealistic" thing. Where media had so formed a vision of what real looks like, that it doesn't matter that it doesn't match reality.
See also, silencer noises, black boxes being black, horses sounding like coconuts..
People didn't get scared in 1980 I guess
~ She did a phenomenal job.
Kubrick literally drove shelly duvall insane. Shes not right to this day. Hell Nicholson isnt right to this day. On set Stanley would belittle Duvall and tell her how untalented and incompetent she was. He would mock her appearance by placing statues of goofy on set wearing what matched her wardrobe.
Maybe what King meant is he literally hurt people, and part of what makes the movie uneasy is youre witnessing spiritual vampirism against real people.
Jesus, thats a little fucked
TJP Oh, lordy. Kubrick didn't drive Shelly Duvall "insane". He was very hard on her during filming but that's a far cry from being in any way responsible for her mental illness. She continued to work throughout the 1980's (and was particularly great in Roxanne) and 90's.
while it’s true that he was extremely hard on duvall, he and nicholson had a good working relationship. he pushed them over the edge for sure, and he was undeniably cruel to duvall, but she was always unstable and jack nicholson is just... jack nicholson. i’m not defending kubrick’s treatment of her, though. just elaborating.
The Shining is easily in my top 5 favorite movies, but I still get pissed off at the way Kubrick treated Duvall.
But that’s what made this movie so incredible...the crying, the anger, almost everything is real emotion
I really feel for Shelly Duvall. This was a terribly difficult movie for her. And she later kind of dropped out, lost her desire to act, and kind of lost her way. I don't think she ever truly recovered.
At least she did Popeye which she was absolutely perfect for.
Apparently Kubrick stressed her out so much her hair started falling out
Shelly went on Dr Phil and not doing well. I heard she did better later. I sure hope so.
She started a production company and began writing and producing a children’s tv show for, I think, HBO. It was called “Fractured Fairy Tales” or something like that.
@@dianaprince3176 I think it was called Fairy Tale Theatre. Fractured Fairy Tales was an animated children's program during the 60s and 70s.
The film is beautifully disturbing
The book is _always_ better.
I liked the cast but I can understand why Stephen King was unhappy with it.
@@kimberlys8422 Can you understand we he cried misogyny where it didn't exist?
@@bigcrackrock You read the book... there is an *epic* battle between Wendy and Jack.
I've read so many Stephen King books. The man is supports the women-folk.
@@kimberlys8422 Yeah but that in no way makes the film misogynistic. He was over reacting and virtue signalling, as much as I hate to use the term as it's thrown around carelessly now days. Good horror tends to try to ground the audience with characters reacting more as they would in reality to balance out the fantastical elements. Her smacking him with a baseball bat and being willing to stab him with a butcher knife is believable. An epic male vs female battle not so much.
@@bigcrackrock Yeah it does. Wendy is hysterically and feckless in the movie.
Bug then again this is coming from the director of _Clockwork Orange_ which is all about rape.
The real terror is knowing how Kubrick treated his actors.
Edit, 3 years down the line: That and the fact that y'all keep fucking replying to this. I get it, some of y'all are rude online.
He enforced method acting on them so their performances would be so believable, but he crossed a line. Shelley Duvall is not well to this day. However, Kubrick did go out of his way to protect Danny Lloyd. The boy didn't know he had been acting in a horror movie until a number of years after filming ended.
Ruben T how did he just not know he was acting in a horror movie??
CommanderFuchs117 He only knew of the scenes he was in, and thought it was a really boring movie (during filming) especially because all the actors of the film were nice to him outside of filming, so he never thought it was intended to be a scary movie
SnakeBagelz he never catches him so they probably didn’t shoot the same time
Ruben T can’t get over how damn tragic Shelley Duvall’s story is, I wish she would get better it’s very depressing
Say what you want about Shelley Duvall's acting but I truly believe it's one of the best performances in modern horror movies. Her character goes from a true doormat to her overbearing alcoholic husband to a resourceful and tenacious mom who in the end shows her true grit by finally taking charge of a horrible situation. Plus the intense terror she emotes in her bat scene on the steps with Jack is truly acting genius.
She wasn't acting they really did try to bash her brains in, bash them right. the. fuck. in.
Shelley Duvall's acting is amazing in the film. No reason to hate against her.
I think it's hard to remember when shooting or acting a horror scene, that people don't look COOL when they're terrified, and don't look photogenic.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Wendy theory tho
@@Insky_ what? What is that?
King later said it took him years to learn that the story telling conventions are different for written and visual mediums. He learned that after the dreadful, but accurate to the book, TV version of The Shining.
Did he really say that?
I'm glad he's learning.
WHY should it take king so long to figure out the obvious....he's just Arrogant and wanted HIS book done despite how aweful that is
God, that TV adaptation was a hard watch. It may have been more true to the book, but it was boring as hell and the acting was pretty poor. If only there had been something in between the Kubrik movie and that, it could've been great
Agreed. The book was all right, but the TV adaptation of the book (while accurate) was total shit. If that was King's vision for a Shining movie, he should have stuck with writing novels.
Kubrick's story is an entirely different story based on similar ideas ("shining," haunted hotels, abuse, etc). Whole different story, whole different message. The Overlook in the book wants Danny (to absorb his power). The movie Overlook wants Jack. Even the endings are polar opposites -- the book ends with fire, the movie ends with ice. Kubrick deliberately deviated from the novel, using what was useful to him, discarding what was not. And in the end, produced something far greater.
I love how the shining has absolutely no jumpscares. For one, i hate jumpscares, but like this, all that building tension never gets released and is pressing down on you during the entire movie. There is never this relief after a loud noise, so the atmosphere feels choking and almost painful
Are there any movies like this? Without jumpscares, the horror based on tension alone?
@CatandBonez Right! I heard about that one, but didn't see it yet! Thanks
The Exorcist....best horror movie of all time.
@Patrick Dolan Uhm... I don't remember that at all... Maybe?
Uh... what about that Tuesday title card.... and the Wednesday one, too.
Hereditary that movie has zero to non jumpscares, at it make you more unsettled than an everyday horror film.
As I see it, Stephen king failed to recognise the strengths of the film medium as opposed to written media. He wanted an adaptation that was completely faithful, but didn't take into account the massive differences between what book and film can hammer home the best. Kubrick makes full use of the visual and sound aspects, Stephen does not.
Lithia I can see where King's coming from though. If I were in his shoes I'd probably be upset too. If you were an author you would want your story to be adapted faithfully, and Kubrick didn't do that. I think a little bit of it is just jealousy on King's part. A lot of people have only seen the movie, and will only ever see the movie. It gets praised more often than not as a masterpiece. People who've read the book praise it as well, but I think King's afraid that Kubrick took what he'd created and improved upon it. That's gotta suck to know that a lot of people consider the movie to be the superior version. Having not read the book Kubrick's movie is my only source of reference. Even if I were to read the book now I'd probably still side with the movie just because I saw it first.
tru, it seems like a lot of authors don't realize that either. i get wanting some creative control in an adaptation, but sometimes they should just leave it to the filmmakers
King's major criticisms were that the film didn't focus enough on or at least downplayed Jack's alcoholism problem so central to the book, while the idea of how a regular everyday man loses himself and becomes a violent monster to his family didn't translate all too well in Kubrick's film. He was especially critical about Jack Nicholson's casting, whom he saw as alreaady looking like a psycho even before they got to the hotel, thus destroying the above characterisation of a normal man's collapse to insanity. These were the things that in particular rubbed him the wrong way I believe, not necessarily that the film wasn't 100% the book given visual expression. I believe he even praised the actual filmmaking, but the key thematic elements that he felt Kubrick didn't either get or didn't think were necessary to focus on were at the heart of King's condemnation of the movie.
So true.
@@JBuddis That's not all he disliked though. To this day he's still a huge critic of the casting of Shelley and the way her character was presented.
The shining wasn’t really scary to me when I first watched it as a kid, but as I grew up it became darker to me and more disturbing.
The movie gets better and better with repeated viewings.
definitely....adult horror more than kid horror.
Then maybe I’ll have to watch it when I’m a bit older. When I first watched it, I was thirteen, and found it nerve wracking but not scary at all. Of course, I recognized it’s amazing quality, but I thought of it more of a thriller than a horror.
I wouldn't allow a kid to watch a movie like this, seems a lot more disturbing than watching real dismembering of people
@FollowerOfJesus 101 I dunno maybe people react with fear to very different things, I usually find horror boring as hell instead of scary, except for this movie.
Shelly’s acting was one thing that cemented the insane and hopeless feeling in my mind
sadly she wasn't acting, she was genuinely terrified
@@sia13434she was doing both
If Kubrick had done exactly what Stephen King wanted him to do we would have got a shit movie. I think we have to understand that you cannot directly translate a book to a film. You have to let the two mediums exist separately
Read the book
The Shining is a great book.
The Shining is also a fantastic movie that has impacted modern cinema in so many ways.
Kubrick created a movie with such genuine and insane feelings that connects to the audience in such a special way.
I'm glad the movie is the way it is, but let's be honest, you can't argue that the end justified the means.
The fact that Shelley is still fucked up today, 40 years later, is proof of this.
The book? Awesome in its own way. The movie? Also awesome in its own way
I agree. I like the book but I like the movie too. I find the movie scarier than the book though and I say that because in the book, we get to see Jack get redemption and we see that he wasn’t always like that. Wendy is also more protective in the book. In the movie, you get the sense that Jack has always been antagonistic and abusive towards Danny. Wendy in the movie doesn’t see this until it’s almost too late and I really think that she’s later going to marry another abusive asshole. She failed Danny too.
I also was thinking about the miniseries of The Shining that was done some years later. At the end of the film, the Jack character is made up to look evil. They had to use makeup and special effects to accomplish what Nicholson did just using his own facial expressions.
Jack Nicolson stated that he was very angry of Kubrick’s treatment of Shelly Duvall and he did so many takes that Scatman Curthers was very disturbed and couldnt remember his lines
Scatman is still awesome, wasn't he a jazz musician? If so his characterization explaining the shining, with Doc, is so naturally believable, forgot I was an seeing act, rather than maybe a CCTV tape of an uncle or caring Teacher, sharing important confidance, such chemistry with a child actor, is rare.
Wasn’t the “Here’s Johnny” scene taken like 100+ times?
@@lorcanzo2498 I believe it was 108, they set a Guiness World Record
I think Kubrick infamously mistreated Shelly during the filming in order to make her character fully alive. So that the actress would actually relate to the character directly
@@travismartin4863 That doesn’t make it okay to abuse her, or less suspicious that he treated her so vigorously, markedly worse than anyone in the entire cast, including the man playing the main character who’s supposed to be going insane.
Its just the freaking faces that Jack Nicholson is able to do that absolutely terrify us. All the time we just feel the anxiety of his cruelty in the brink of the snap.
As someone who has seen this film as a child and as an adult - Jack Nicholsons faces had like. .. the least to do with the real terror of it. It was the terror of the film that had everything to do with the terror of it.. stop trying to guess bullshit when it's right in front of your stupid fucking face.
@@nowhereman748 damn its almost like not all people have the same experience as you. I for one am still terrified of jack because of the faces he made. Really brought the character together and made the movie more terrifying.
@@nowhereman748 jesus christ why are you so bitter and angry
@@nowhereman748 bruh why are you so angry
thats one of the things i love about the film, both jack and shelly are able to pull these faces that show the true emotion they are going through the more the hotel takes control of them
The movie touches on real life horrors: domestic abuse, alcoholism, and murder-suicide. The theme is how the evil that drives these things never goes away…it gets passed down from one generation to the next.
Stanley Kubrick might have been a genius but he treated Shelley like an object and insulted her constantly. Plus, he kinda was rude with Malcom McDowell in a clockwork orange since the eye teraphy scene was completely real and Malcom had some lacrimation issues after this.
agreed. but just like music, separate the art from the artist!
You're fond of me lobster, aint ye? of course! I love his artworks but i have to say that he really wasn’t a good person
@@mikumik0099
I can't find a source but people say that all the actors love Kubrick and harbour no ill will from his nightmarous amount of reshoots
@@vintheguy again, no source tho sooo
@@nicolassieh6799
Ik, that why I said that
If anyone had an mean alcoholic dad.. this movie is pretty scary.
**Edit for context clarification**
Didn't think my comment would get that much attention, I want to clarify I love my father he really is one of the kindest dudes you'll meet and he wasn't a deadbeat. he went to work and paid his child support dues for 23 years and when he wasn't drinking he would help us fixing a bike or taking us fishing
There was just something with alcohol that turned him into something dark and reminded me of jack going psycho.
Ummm... Nope.
I mean when I first read the book the first thing I thought of my dad so yeah it gave the book a whole other dread to it (not here for pity just thought it was interesting)
62 people like the fact that your dad was an alcoholic.
An to be honest Dude, That’s Effed Up.
My dad wasn't an alcoholic....but we lived for a while with my aunt and her husband who is an alcoholic...it was scary to just remember how he treated my cousins and aunt.
Yeah, lotta deadbeat dads out there. Mine's a hard worker and stuck by us, but he can be a total psychotic utter prick at times. Dude is a complete screw loose.
Shelly Duvall is the star of this movie to me. I felt every emotion she felt. I never understood why people panned her performance (back then).
Watching her is captivating.
Oscar worthy performance. Can't believe people don't see it
Cuz people be jealous of odd beauty ❤️ she's perfect
I think a lot of that comes from how people first responded to The Shining. It wasn't just Shelley Duvall's performance that was criticized, but the entire film. Both Duvall and Kubrick got Razzie nominations for Worst Actress and Director respectively. Hard to believe now that The Shining is now so iconic, but it was such an unusual film at the time for both the horror genre and Kubrick's catalogue. Horror films weren't normally directed with such a consistently slow, psychological burn nor did they have the kind of acting like The Shining. In fact, I remember seeing Steven Spielberg talking about his reaction when he first saw The Shining. He criticized Jack Nicholson's performance as being over-the-top, or "Kabuki theater" as he called it. However, thankfully over time, people started seeing what Kubrick was getting at: gradually building tension through the film's atmosphere and raw emotion from the performances. It's a cliche to say, but geniuses are rarely appreciated for their genius in their day and age. Fortunately, Kubrick at least got to see the recognition he deserved for his film before his death.
I agree, Shelly's performance in the bathroom scene as Jack smashes through the door with the axe is extraordinary. The expressions in her face convey the panic, fear and terror that Wendy is experiencing at that moment. The shot where the axe breaks through and Wendy sees it for the first time would be such a difficult scene to play, Shelly Duvall plays it perfectly, her face shows absolute horror at that point.
Totally agree. I am a huge horror fan but the shining scares the crap out of me. I can't watch it for certain scenes. I was told to face my fears so I watched the specific scene that screws with my head. Shelly is great in it! Worst actress is bull! That face tells the story of terror
The Shining was specifically horrifying to me. As a child who grew up witnessing domestic violence, this behavior *wasn't* out of the norm to me. I barely remember this movie as being supernatural at all. I just thought it was like my father. The supernatural elements were excuses to fool his wife and child that he wasn't in control. He was. And was sadistic. And I was terrified knowing how hopeless and isolated the characters felt, and learning about the abuse of actors, I know that fear was genuine. I saw this as a child, haven't watched it since, and even my abused mom wasn't as scared as I was during it.
a brilliant but terribly sad comment.
personally i think that shelley duvall is so cute, in this movie i just want to protect her oml
Same!! Is it weird to say I love her face??
Emily Ramirez No i feel the same!!
She annoyed me with the hysteria but I also wanted to just protect the poor thing.
She's one of my favourite female leads of all time, and the most sympathetic by far.
And to my dying day or possible afterlife I'll strongly criticise the dastardly, dickish and distorted decision to humiliate so likable a character with a bloody razzie award.
AND especially King's language concerning her.
Good old Shelly/Wendy.
😍
yesss! stephen king wanted Wendy to be a blonde, bubbly cheerleader type, but i think Shelley was a much better choice. she sort of reminds me of Violet from the Incredibles
Jack is realistically disturbing, I had an abusive ex that would start acting like Jack before he went off. I never saw a clear correlation between him and any character, but watching Jack Nicholson' s behaviour toward Shelley Long, gave me true deja-vu, PTSD, terror shivers. Even now, many years afterward, I have to admit, divorce can be a beautiful thing!
She's Shelley Duvall...
I'm so sorry that you had to go through all that, but remember this "you are strong❤️".hope you heal completely.
HOLY SHIT
What'd you do to piss him off? Probably deserved a good thumpin
Jack is a very dull boy in terms of his murder strategies.
Those still shots of Danny screaming silently scattered throughout the movie still freak me out even to this day.
This. Those shots stayed with me way more than the twins in the hallway... There's something violently terrifying about seeing people contort their faces in ways that you wouldn't usually see in everyday life. I watched a friend of mine a have a bad panic attack a few years ago, and the way her face twisted into something almost inhuman as she gasped for breath.... I remember for a moment I was so terrified that I couldn't even get physically close to her to help her. Duvall's face in the "here's Johnny" scene still reminds me of the face my friend made mid-panic attack.
Jules Fish oh god that must’ve been scary for you to see your friend like that. Honestly people who experience or witnessed stuff like that tend to have a very interesting view point of movies and specific scenes compared to others.
Has your friend ever seen the shinning? And if so what did they think of that scene in particular?
Or when he's convulsing uncontrollably
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Absolutely agree. And it's one of those things that's almost perfectly used and get scarier each time
I always want movies especially horror to cast more typical looking people even not good looking if possible. I think it makes the movie better. No one really wants to see models on screen, I want to see good actors. There can be both but it’d be nice if they switched it up.
Well put. They always look absolutely flawless. So unrealistic
Watch "Hereditary", that comes close
@@Treopsehereditary is perfectly, the entire cast looks like normal people
When I first saw The Shining I was immediately struck by how uncomfortably accurate the domestic abuse was to my own experience. The same polite and charming veneer my dad wore when around bosses and coworkers, the real side rearing its ugly face when no one else was looking, taking it out on my mom and our family; the cheerful denial-filled optimism of my mom, the way she walked on egg shells around my dad. The constant hanging threat of violence without (sometimes) the actual violence. Even the subtext of sexual tension and temptation... The criticism of the actors being "unrealistic" or "cartoony" is so absolutely untrue. More than anything else, that's what disturbs me the most about The Shining. It's the most gut-wrenchingly accurate depiction, literally and metaphorically, of the horror of domestic abuse that I've seen portrayed in a film.
Personally the one scene that made me the most uncomfortable was the bathroom scene were at first Jack sees the siloet of a person behind the shower curtain but when its shown that its a naked woman his face goes from being afraid to this creepy lustful/sadistic smile and because of the way the scene was shot it looked like he was looking at me and made me feel vulnerable and afraid. Its the underlying fear that some men are capable of doing disgusting things to woman in there most vulnerable that truly made me afraid.
Well said. Add the complete isolation element to the domestic abuse, and we have a truly terrifying situation.
80s wolf mask: Genuinely unsettling and unexplainable
90s wolf mask: shitty goosebumps monster
aye, drown-in designer is an excellent tape
BOO!! I'ma gonna getcha! (so scary)
80s mask was actually a Bear. It was changed from the book.
Explanation: Durwent was a furry.
That scene f'd me up.
People hating on Shelley Duvall in the movie really makes me question them. She's the entire reason I originally saw this movie.
VulpesHilarianus same. On a side note I think that theory documentary is stupid af. There was the dude comparing seeing faces in clouds and it's :/
VulpesHilarianus I think her performance is pretty good, but also very unconventional for an actor. It's very subtle
I dunno man, she constantly looks like a fish gasping for air... Water... You know what I mean.
How Shelley Duvall is even a name I've had to qualify as 'The wife in the Shining' to several people is baffling to me. Perhaps because I grew up watching Fairytale Theater or found Duvall to be attractive, but in the shining she's a completely different person. Her disheveled hair and contorted face, not the soft calming voice that introduced me to the Emperor's new clothes but a shaking cacophony. It left a huge impression on me - This place, these events Took a warm beautiful person and eroded and dug deep to find desperate ugliness.
She is an exaggerated parody of my mom in this movie!
Let's be honest , when Jack goes mad you actually feel her sense of utter fear and hopelessness
Whoa i think your on to something
Oh god the '97 version looks so awful.
Greatjon Umber it's really not, if you take it as a totally separate entity, it's really good. But it doesn't come close to Kubrick's version.
There are good things about it, but it's pretty bad overall.
I actually laughed at the clips they showed here. Just amateurish and lame. And King was so proud of it. But then again he is a hack writer
Dean A dude you’re a fucking nobody calling Stephen King a hack give me a break. He’s written bestseller after bestseller
The only good things about the 97 miniseries are Jack's character being really well-done and...uhh...actually, that's about it.
I actually died laughing the moment I heard "I'm gonna eat you Danny"
I really don't understand how they saw the "ARARARARARARARARARRRR" scene and thought "hmm yeah this will terrify the audience put it in"
It looks like something that you'd see at a cheap carnival haunted house. Especially with the way he jumps out.
@@EosDoesStuff Yes. It looked phony.
Rip
it's the little red riding hood wolf
@@sevendst19
This.
Alluding to his sexual abuse.
You can't tell me the wolfman wasn't blowing that guy.
CH has a short about it haha
Sofia Covarrubias wuuuuuuuuuttttt
@Sofia Covarrubias which scenes?
He is. In the book, Jack recalls passing the room, and seeing the masked man giving the other oral sex.
@@DoodleKaboodle I can’t remember the exact video but if you search for an analysis of the film on RUclips it’s one of the first videos
When I was 11, my friend and I had a sleepover in her big house. All I was told was "My mom rented us a movie about a hotel." I was like, ok... that's weird. I went into it with no idea what I was in for. It absolutely terrified me. I couldn't take a shower without my mom in the room for like two weeks, cuz the scene where he finds a woman in the bathroom who ends up becoming a naked zombie. Also the blood and the little girls really scared me. All I can say is, WTF was my friend's mom thinking?!
Books and films are different mediums. They are both very good but very different.
It's the same reason why video games rarely work as films.
Can't get any more true than that
Henry Gilbert over at Laser Time had a good point for why The Shining is really frustrating for someone like Steven King -- "The book is about a normal person becoming a crazy person. The movie is about a crazy person turning into a cartoon character."
I can absolutely see why King, as a writer, would see Nicholson and think, "Oh my god what the fuck is he doing." Shining is a movie that ages better than it sits on release night and I think thirty years has shown that. Even King himself is like, "Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking."
its ok but the music is beautiful
Bryh Eh, I thought it was good. It wasn't meant to be on the same level of storytelling as the game. It was meant to be 1.5-2 hours of fun and enjoyment. And you know what. The soundtracks for it are better than the game. That's one thing they can lord over the game. Especially since they used a soundtrack from it to introduce it at E3.
Dead pool worked out just well
Normal horror films try to be entertaining, surprising. The Shining tries to be disturbing and horrifying, wich is why its more disturbing ans horrifyng than most horror movies, as obvious as that sounds. Of course its much harder to do that than to make a standar horror flick, but this is Kubrick we are talking about.
@va ahiny im with you.
This movie is fucking boring and overrated.
I always thought the hotel was like an anomaly in time. Where no linear patterns can exist and time is free flowing. You warp in and out or its all occuring at once. Jacks mind is bending along with time
Yeah like how the layout is impossible, something Kubrick did on purpose to make it more surreal
In the book it taps into this a bit stronger, describing different eras of music playing in the ballroom at different times and people wearing clothing from different times all in the room at the same time, etc
That's what I thought Hotel California was about as a kid
@@ischeele7203 I still think it´s about that , only doubts I have these days about that song´s ambiguities is how those knuckleheads , in that band , would ever explore such concepts lol .
Mind you , at least one of them had much better things to explore lol .
the fact a guy can fly from Miami to where they are and go up the mountain in a snow storm and they are still wearing the same clothes? time definitely doesn't work right
I die for Shellys outfits in this movie. Love them all! Costume design for all characters is great throughout.
Holy shit, I can't believe that Kubrick was nominated for worst director for the freaking Shining. WTF critics?
Fernando Sosa fukin idiots,
You have to remember that The Shining opened the same night as Friday the 13th part 1.. People wanted a slasher, not a (psychological horror) drama. It wasn't until much, much later that people became aware of how good The Shining really is. It was basically a late bloomer
MaD MaX: Games, epicness, ect. Why is the book better in your opinion? Most people who genuinely feel the same way don’t actually know what they are looking at. I would bet real flesh on that being the same case with the critics of the time. The answer to me is that these are two entirely different categories of storytelling with the same premise using two different mediums.
Kubrick movies always got mixed reactions when they came out. Newsweek loved it, Time disliked it. I didn't care for it much when I first saw it on cable in 1981, although the little girls and the lady in the tub were scenes that everyone agreed were really scary. In 1980 most films did not "open wide" in a thousand theaters. The opening weekend was not quite as important, and films were allowed to build momentum by word of mouth, and more prints were made as necessary.
@Sam Hodges I didn't like the ending myself, but the rest of the film is really good. It had great acting, inventive cinematography, and some very uncomfortable moments that, instead of resorting to cheap scares, targeted the audience psychologically.
It seems a bit unfair to call it awful for the ending alone.
At 2:50 "There's so many little subtle suggestion that something bad is going to happen. We're told that the previous winter caretaker went insane and murdered his wife and daughters with an axe." Absolutely. That's precisely the sort of subtle suggestions I look for when I apply for a job and wonder if it's "the right fit" for me, whether any previous employees went insane and murdered their families with an axe.
Haha. Good one.
Gotta admit that would make me try harder in the interview.
The wait for your next video is what's even more terrifying.
DBZ Macky truest thing I've heard all day
DBZ Mackyji
other than spiders
Truest thing I have ever heard
oh hey goku
As an Indian there is story in our ancient mythological texts that talks about a man who is in the middle of a battle (Mahabharat) he asks a rishi( old saint) why is this war happening and the old saint replies that earth is our mother and she sometimes demands blood from us to sooth it's thrist and that's the reason anger and violence exists now coming back to the film we hear how the hotel is made on the burial grounds of native americans where they fought wars for survival but lost and that's the reason once in while earth gives birth to a man who can be manipulated , angered and who takes the action with blood and that's the reason every winter in overlook hotel comes a man to sooth the thirst of mother nature and this time it was jack who did it and if he fails , he gets consumed by the earth
Holy fuck this is rad
Love this!
can’t tell if i hate, love, or am just meh on this interpretation. However, i’m leaning towards love
Can't believe this comment doesn't have way more likes. It's absolutely the most poignant, intelligent and real summary of the story I've ever heard. The story actually makes sense to me now.
THANK YOU for sharing, Beautiful explanation. 😎🌴👍
How could anyone remake this film? The original is the only one for me. Kubrick was a master.
I'm glad you were able to explain why the scene of Jack holding Danny in his lap makes me so viscerally uncomfortable. I've never been able to put it into words but seeing him hold Danny makes me sick, like I want to rip him away from him.
Rob Ager has an excellent video detailing how The Shining portrays the abuse of children, I'd recommend it
Especially when he said he'll never hurt him but then later on we find out that he actually hurt Danny 3 years ago over the littlest thing. So it is indeed scary & you can see Danny feeling physically uncomfortable being held by Jack in his lap.
I always thought Shelley Duvall did a good job in this movie and she was so beautiful !
She’s so plain and emotionless for like half of it!
“Oh yeah ha ha my kids weird ha ha” 🙂
Edit: I also love how she’s like 😦😐😦😐😦😐😦😐😦😐😦😐😦😐 for a lot of the scenes
@@smokeykiwi8992 what are you trying to say? 😂
The whole thing about showing the actors reaction to something before showing what triggered it is so true. I actually find the scariest thing about this film is the characters reactions, and particular Danny's reactions to things, the wide eyed expressions he does intercut with the woman rising out of the bath, for example, makes me shiver writing about it, he looks so genuinely terrified it makes the whole thing seem 5 times as scary
This is a weird example, but on gt lives playthrough of ddlc their reactions to the jumpscares make me way more terrified than the game itself. To me, it's imagining myself in that situation than what comes
To me, the most terrifying part of The Shining has always been Danny’s wide eyed expression of pure, absolute horror. It always struck an empathetic chord within my psyche that almost injected his feelings of paralyzed, frozen panic into my soul. It’s second hand terror...like a primitive version watching somebody yawn, therefor you *have to* yawn, reflexively. But it’s much more immediate. A perfect visual embodiment of “trauma”.
Same. I read the book at a really young age then my dad let me watch the movie, I related to Danny so much as a little kid watching that movie. One of my favorites, Still read and watch it once every year basically
I think something else about Jack and Shelley's appearances that make this movie unsettling is that they look more like your regular, average, everyday people, unlike the actors in most movies who are convenientionally beautiful, and as you said, clean cut. As you mentioned, abuse in a family is a real situation that many people go through everyday. It's psychologically damaging to anyone who goes through it. This movie is also psychologically damaging in a lot of ways because of this. Their "normal" appearances makes this movie and the situations that happen within it more realistic. It gives off the feeling that this could happen to any of us, because it happens to so many people every single day, we just don't know about it.
I read the book long before I ever saw the Kubrick movie, and I've come to a rather simple conclusion. Kubrick's The Shining is a garbage adaptation of the book, but taken as a separate entity it's a excellent piece of horror cinema. Both King and the fans are right, just on different things.
Different media requires different techniques to be successful. If you try to 100% translate Lord of the Rings (for example) to a movie it would be shit. The same happens when to try to translate a movie to a book (read the book adaption of Hook or Dumb and Dumber for a good example of this). Broadway type plays have the same problem (for example, Le Miserable).
Phillip Malerich ^ This guy gets it
What is important to know is that Kubric just takes the basic idea of the book, and that makes his own thing, he did time and time again
The book is garbage, though.
Phillip Malerich Adaptation never meant being a copycat. Kubrick did what he felt was good as far as film grammar and film form is concerned.
King was a great novel writer but a bad film writer. Both the mediums are different, paper and celluloid.
I wonder if King still feels the same way. I love him as a novelist but perhaps he let his ego cloud his judgement of this excellent and unique piece of horror Kubrick created.
Nowadays, he doesn't hate the movie with every fiber of his being like he did before. He has softened a bit as he's gotten older and sobered up (the book was written when he was an alcoholic; much like Jack Torrance and was diving deeper into cocaine addiction). He still feels it's a "subpar" adaptation of his source material. And as someone who read the book, he isn't wrong. It still bugs me that Halloran dies in the movie when he lives in the book and how passive Wendy is compared to her more active book counterpart. Jack's descent into madness is more gradual in the book while in the film it does indeed feel like movie Jack was always on the edge even before arriving at the Overlook. However, he does understand why audiences are drawn to it and in a way respects that.
@jbvader721 I think the biggest reason why the movie is so different is because I don't think you can even adapt the horror from the book. It's simply because of the difference in medium. To me the reason the book was scary was because you spend so much time in the characters heads. That just isn't possible in film.
The wolf mask scene in Stanley’s film has always scared me, and I’m not easily scared too much in movies anymore. It’s just unsettling, and unexplainable, and random. And your brain, like super eyepatch bro said, really just panics, and doesn’t know why, which causes you to panic even more.
Symbol of Danny performing on his dad.
@@sophiasdreamquinnblue8977 wtf
@@Noura-ii1uw Kubrick's was perverted.
Indeed as a kid I wondered wtf was going on
@@sophiasdreamquinnblue8977 yeah idk about that mate there’s nothing that suggests that
I still believe the part where Wendy finds that Jack's been typing the same phrase over and over, is the absolute best and freakiest part of the movie.
The thing that blows my mind is that someone actually sat down and typed out every one of those pages. Kubrick insisted that there would need to be typos, slightly misaligned letters and fading ink which can't be achieved through photocopying.
it's the ending shot of the movie for me personally.
The bathroom scene for me. You've always been the caretaker
Thing is, no matter how fast a typist Jack is, that still represents hours of effort over multiple days. We know he's crazy by that point, but that tells us he's been crazy for a while. Did he think he was writing a great novel when he was doing that?
@@Gadget-Walkmen jack looks like he got the best head of his life
Kubrick is a perfectionist. He couldn't have faked the moon landing because if he did, no one would know. It would have no inconsistencies is Kubrick filmed it.
Kubrick wasn't so perfect that there weren't any minor continuity errors etc.
The main reason he didn't do that moon footage is it would have looked a lot better if he had.
he would have left minor hints, probably that are too hard to grasp. But yes, he'd have made it look way better
If you look at the moon shuttle sequence in 2001 A Space Odyssey, when the flight attendant walks on Velcro you can see that the effect doesn't work-- it is obvious that she is walking in earth gravity and trying to fake weightlessness. That is a technical flaw in an otherwise great movie. Compare it to the effects in the movie "Gravity" with Sandra Bullock.
He's such a perfectionist that he would have filmed it on the moon
The moon landing doesn't have any inconsistencies lol what r u talking about?
Living with a person who was psychotic and having to flee with our daughter, this is a kind of fear that when you have experienced something very very mildly similar it's so much scarier and dread inducing
“Made for tv” Is probably the worst insult I’ve heard used to describe anything, and it is fantastic how accurately it was used
The Shining(1980) contains the best cinematography in a horror movie
I think this is really true. But you’ve gotta admit It Follows and Hereditary are REALLY close runner-ups.
@Trey Atkins I've heard good things about It Follows, but I'm not much for jump scares. Does It Follows rely more on atmospheric dread and creepiness or does it shove jump scares down your throat?
Jon Schaefer there’s no jump scares in this movie. Just suspense and tension especially in the final act.
hereditary is definitely on the same level as shining
y yg I feel like Midsommar was a lot more better looking
I never found The Shining so much horror and terrifying as it was unsettling. Perhaps this is why I like horror so much.
Mr.Sassycat ikr
Mr.Sassycat yeah same
Agreed. Disturbing. It's odd that the film maintains that tension and dread even when you've seen it 100 times.
And that’s what scares me about it
RIP to the incredible Shelley Duvall her performance in this movie is legendary and she deserved so much better in her career
The Shining (1980), from the director of '2001: A Space Odyssey' and 'A Clockwork Orange'
The Shining (1997), from the director of 'Critters 2: The Main Course' and 'Psycho IV: The Beginning'
Don't forget maximum overdrive.
I decided to watch this film during the night by myself in my room all alone. It was the first time I watched this film and I didn't expect how horrifying it was actually going to be. I wanted to stop watching multiple times, but like Wendy it felt impossible to escape because I was so riveted to the plot, characters, and settings. Definitely one of the best films I have seen in my life.
Me too! I watched it on HBO or Cinemax one late night long after I was supposed to be asleep! I was terrified. Yet I couldn't change the channel! I was 7yrs old. By no coincidence, the first "adult" novel I read was by Stephen King. Yes it was "The Shining." That was 5 yrs later.
I love Stephen King. His novels hit home and bring out every emotion we are capable feeling. At the same time, Stanley Kubrick's The Shining is a cinematic masterpiece!
Watch The Exorcist alone? Lol
First time I saw it I was home by myself & it was snowing.
Nicholas Tremblay I saw clips of the shining never saw the full movie cus I was too scared to watch it I’m about to watch it now wish me luck
I watched it during the day a few months ago for the first time, and I felt so unsettled I had to turn my light on. Of course I had to watch it to the end because it pulls you in even while making you feel uneasy
I've seen the Shining 10 times in my life. It's not a scary movie. It's a psychological thriller
And The Exorcist was released as a psychological thriller as well!
doesn't make it not scary, think you kinda getting your definitions/emotional reactions and genres mixed.
Agree 100% with you... Kubrick didn’t have a clue about how to make a scary movie... it is a great movie though! To me, Eyes Wide Shut is scarier than The Shining...
Fear is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe it isn't a horror movie but it's scary imo.
don't discriminate hate everyone equally the soundtrack was what scared me the most! It’s my favorite horror film score! Also Wendy talking to Tony was terrifying!!!
"Im not gonna kill ya. I'm just gonna bash your brains in." That line is beyond amazing for a horror film.
**"I'm not gonna hurt ya"
Shelley Duvall incredible performance of a simple wife loyal to her husband and son. So natural in her acting and should have won an Oscar.
Should
"Watch how long we hold on Danny's reaction before cutting to the scare."
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The scene where Jack goes into Room 237 with the old hag ...traumatized me when I saw this in the late 80’s. Creepy af
Think you're inadvertently hitting the nail there.... The 1980 Shining earns and reinforces its horror first by being CREEPY. That's totally different to just trying to 'scare' you 👍
Ben O'Grady thanks !
@@BittersweetDuality hahaha .... me either !!! I was like O_o
@@BittersweetDuality and the bear scene on the bed ! That freaked me the f out
Would’ve been better if the lady was old and not sexy like the BOOK
This film would have been no where near as iconic without Duvall’s performance. I can’t even imagine the kind of actress King wanted instead… Blonde hair, beautiful, just the stereotypical hot wife basically. Duvall had a unique appearance and her performance is utterly stress inducing. You can just tell how tired, scared and stressed out she is the more the film progresses, which I guess is what Kubrick wanted. I don’t agree with her treatment on set at all, but her and Kubrick both said the final product was worth it. Her performance is just insanely memorable, and will forever be apart of horror film history. The fact that both Duvall and Kubrick were nominated at the Razzies should tell you everything you need to know about that shitty ceremony.
She only said the end result was worth it bc she felt pressured to. She was in the project after all. Also I don’t think king was upset abt her appearance. He called the movie misogynistic bc it took away a lot of her character development. This happened bc Kubrick specifically had it out for Duvall and cut down her screen time to spite her (among many other things).
I gotta say this for your sake! you actually made a little masterpiece here, yourself. editing cutting, and story telling, about their filming. this is a 10/10 performance on your part. thanks bro, and cheers
Why so much spaces ?
You touched on how he made them redo scene, but it’s sad because Kubrick also emotional abused Duval on set. The bat scene has a record, I believe, because he made her act it out over and over again and saying it wasn’t good enough. And apparently told people not to praise her for her work, but to do so with everyone else. In a way, it was method acting with her knowing. I guess it worked because she seems genuinely terrified during the movie but it’s really sad what it did to her. She said she was never the same after this movies, even today.
It's arguable that it's for the art. It almost wouldn't definitely fly today and I think majority of people recognize the significance of the trauma Kubrick caused. As art, it's amazing. As real, actual people and the effects of what can happen, it's horrible. It's an incredible case study, at the least.
I can't imagine working again under her conditions. What he did was disgusting.
Thank you. I was waiting for him to mention it and he never did. I even made snarky comments wjen he mentioon how amazing their "method acting" was.
And this is why Kubrick's daughter felt compelled to issue a statement after Duvall's appearance on Dr. Phil and her now being very mentally ill.
This is exactly what he did with Eyes Wide Shut as well. He was borderline abusive toward both Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman throughout filming of that movie that they both went through emotional trauma, and their relationship suffered quite a bit. And like in The Shining, it was successful in adding to the tension between the characters, but at such a cost to the real actors.
16:59 "Boo!"😕 That's the best Steven Weber could come up with and in that pitch? He sounds more comical than terrifying. Jack Nicholson puts him to shame every time.
Ace B lol. It definitely lacks something compared to Nicholson, but really, could anything Weber have said in that moment compared to, "Here's Johnny!"?
Steven Weber is basically breaking the 4th wall in that scene. "Boo!" is more or less for the audience, expecting him to repeat Jack Nicholson. I don't think mr Torrance said anything in the book
It could have been worse, he could have broken into his Wings character instead lol
To be fair, the entirety of the Shining mini-series climax IS one massive comedy. To even think that any of what's happening is supposed to actually be seriously scary is ridiculous in itself.
JBuddis
The entirety of the mini series is on par with a Goosebumps episode in terms of "scariness"
Critics at the time weren't looking for a movie that was basically on the level of literature; they were looking for the normal "scary" movie. Like much literature, it took some time before people realized the layers that make up the movie, and how much care was taken in crafting it.
you see, this is why we need more horror movies like this. The latest horrors are just shows with bunched up jumpscares with a bare storyline. We need more works like this. This time, I am truly desperate for more.
The 1997 Shining looks as if the Hallmark Channel attempted horror.
Elena Fried *GAG*
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jajajaja I just died
It's a glorified Lifetime movie, honestly.
@giftofgab247 The lack of redemption is the entire point of the ending. Jack as a character did not deserve redemption.
I was watching the Junji Ito video before this one and realized...
The "character see the scare before the audience" is just the translation of the "page turn" technique :o
Now if this would be more used in horror movies, I bet the genre would be a LOT better
But I need to know if Kubrick at least apologized to Shelly :'(
from my memory, I'm pretty sure Kubrick has never publicly apologized to Shelly, but after the release of the movie, he'd speak publicly on how well he think Jack and Shelly did. so once the movie is over he did show everyone that he does think she's talented and just wanted to push her, but no tangible consolation outside of that.
Personal apologies mean 1000X more than a public "apology". Guess we'll never know.
the more I see this movie The More I Love the in-between scenes. Jack is the caretaker but he sleeps in till past 11:00 in the morning and Wendy is doing all the work checking the boilers etc. I love the look on the doctor's face when Wendy tries to tell her with confidence that Jack has been sober for 5 months. I love the difference in Jack's tones of voice when he's calling home from the hotel with an upbeat Cadence compared to the slow downtrodden Cadence when they are driving to the Overlook and he's talking about the Donner party. and the by the way method that the hotel manager explains that the hotel is built on an Indian burial ground and they had to fight off raids by the Native Americans to get it built. when Jack is bouncing the tennis ball and throwing it up against the wall in a totally disrespectful manner. he would never do that in front of the manager. everything about that place is creepy.
That doctor had a look on her face like she was about to snap off
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I never noticed that we see the characters' reactions to the horror before we see the horror. The few seconds of mystery forces your mind to imagine something scary on your own, and then you actually see what's happening. It's like two scares for the price of one.
Brilliant. Lol
I just recently watched this... and didnt watch the chase scene. The insanity that the father portrays resembles of my father when he was drunk. Its like reliving those frightening moments again.
Same. My father had (I'm not a religious man but there's no other way to describe it) truly demonic rage. The Shining taps into that. Nicholson's brand of crazy,: that state of being that is so loud, present, malevolent but eerily so clear and even mocking- jovial in a sick nihilistic way- I think it would truly frighten some people to know intimately that level of crazy does exist and in some households, almost every night.
Watch the Wendy theory you might find that one even more terrifying
You SHOULD watch the chase scene tho as it IS fantastic. Like the whole movie.
The scariest thing about the movie are Nicholson’s eyebrows. There’s just so much in this movie that seems familiar to me. I am an only child, with an indecisive mother, and father violent and threatening. And we were emotionally alone in our little community in the foothills of California. It was the 50s and 60s, and when the sheriff was called because of the violence the policy was to not respond when domestic. There were no mental health resources back then, the county didn’t even have building codes yet. My mother and I were church goers and the elders said if my mother and I were a better wife and daughter Dad wouldn’t be so violent and threatening. In the winter the electric would be off for weeks due to the snow, and without the mitigating comfort of the TV blaring, our small but comfortable house became a liminal landscape each yearned to escape. My mother and I went to a different church and eventually told our story. The new minister said if my mother didn’t leave Dad, he would surely kill her. The minister even offered my mother money to hire a divorce lawyer. So no, it’s an understandable movie, and Nicholson’s eyebrows are just terrifying.
Who else noticed one of pages Jack wrote he spelt "boy" as "bog"?
racoon- i did, but it took me all this time carefully studying the movie clips from all the different you tube analysis of the movie. lol. just like the playgirl magazine clip,,, i never knew that,,, all up to just this past year or so of watching all the different you tube analytical videos of this movie, all the years of watching this movie over and over again never getting tired of it,, i never knew that part, until here recently. lol. duh. that's why i like analytic vids of certain movies that i liked over the years, i get different perspectives and takes from other people's point of view, which adds even more intrigue and drama internally for me with different movies, which can make me like the movie even more. it's great to share like that. good eye racoon.
He also wrote it as bot once as well
racoon M45T3R omg i it
Every line of it is actually written out. It's not one page that they just copied. The painstaking attention to detail in Kubrick's films is something else.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull bog.
The scariest thing in the Shining is the fact that Jack when he's gone fully off (Nicholson and Torrence) is that he looks like he's enjoying being malicious
No the scariest part is the fact that all the crazy elements are really just happening in Wendy's head. Go watch the video The Wendy Theory Wendy was having a psychological break and the evidence is in every scene.
@@ynkybomber but they’re not in her head. He did physically hurt her. Doctor sleep explained how bad Jack hurt her. He took her ability to walk. These conspiracy theories.. while cool, really tend to make no sense to me after you remember there is a second book and movie that makes sure you don’t get too far off track.
@@turnipgreen6280 actually he did not for sure. There is a theory that it is all in Wendy's head
I think he was enjoying doing such a comedic performance. He got a real kick out of being hilarious, which, strangely, is what Kubrick wanted in a horror movie.
@@ynkybomber I'm curious how that theory functions. It doesn't make any sense to me. Can you recommend any good videos/essays that lay it out?
You forgot to mention, that the actress Shelly Duvall was never praised or encouraged throughout the making of the film. Also there were rumors that she wasn't awared of the infamous axe scene, so she was legitimately terrified.
Hà Linh Bùi, she was an adult, she should get over it. Or be a better actress to begin with - Kubrick finally got exactly what he wanted out of her performance, but it took a ridiculous number of takes. I'm sure he was just as frustrated. He was famously supportive and well-mannered towards all the actors he worked with, and Duvall seems to be the only exception. Why?
And if she couldn't stand his behaviour, she should have walked out. Again, she was an adult. I can't stand this silly narrative about how Kubrick supposedly destroyed her life.
About those rumors, I doubt they're true: There would be genuine surprise only during the first take, which Kubrick probably wouldn't use anyway.
I'm pretty sure the whole point of doing things so many times was to frustrate the actors to the point he could get the take he wanted, I doubt Shelly complained much but she most likely was just as frustrated as everyone else when filming.
Ok, I'm not talking down on the film in any way. I was just trying to say that's also what made the portrayal so unnervingly terrifying. And I have no opionion on Kubrick's actions toward Shelly.
Just want to put a disclaimer right here.
I doubt it, what do you think she thought she was doing? "I just saw jack nicholson with an axe and a dozen replacement doors on set, and my script says he's gonna break through the bathroom door, and the crew told me to keep clear of the door. I'm sure this is just a normal shot of me hiding in the bathroom with a knife and that nobody will try to break down the door with an axe or anything."
Hà Linh Bùi, yeah, your post triggered my answer, but my response was directed towards all those who go " _poor Shelly Duvall, boo-hoo, Kubrick was such a MONSTER_ " and not actually you :P
Sorry if it seemed otherwise.
Two things that drive me nuts when talking about the Shining.
2. Thinking that Stanley Kubric faked the moon landing (Even the Soviets admitted that we beat them in the space race)
1. People thinking Shelly Duvall is not a fantastic actress. (I've never seen anyone look so scared as a target in a horror movie)
When I first saw the man in the wolf mask in the Kubrick film, I started to cry from pure anxiety and panic.
@edek I have automatonophobia, which is fear of mannequins. It's loosely connected to a fear of masks. For the most part, I'm fine, unless I'm watching a horror movie, where if you see a mask, it's usually always used for scare purposes.
@edek It got significantly easier to manage as I started to see more and more media with creepy masks and mannequins in it (idk why). I watched this when I was younger, which is why I had such an intense reaction
@@caustic9947 oh yeah, desensitization helps a bit with these things
He was a bear I’m pretty sure.
i found it funny
Stanley Kubrick being nominated for "worst director" is kind of hilarious
Ye it kind of annoys me but then is then and now is now
Never, EVER, trust the razzies Awards.
He was killed you say?...😂
@Gypsy Saiki That is nothing but pure speculation
im surprised the year after he didnt get the darwyn award from hearing that
I think Duvall got nominated for the razzie because she wasn't acting...
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@Billy Billow Yeah she isnt fine to this day
@Billy Billow yeah apparently they did some pretty shitty things to her. if they tried that shit now, they'd probably get sued or something
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It’s interesting what is said about the “film that hurts people”… having read the book, I found that the atmosphere created by Kubrick was MUCH more true to the book! The story itself was adapted strongly of course, but even though the mini series is technically more accurate, I still find the overlook as a character itself is more accurate in Kubricks film. The hedge monsters in the book were so scary, and I think Stanley’s switch to a hedge maze was a great way to reference something that would’ve been impossible to execute in a scary way. King seems to not understand how the execution of fear in a film is so different to that achieved in writing…
I wonder if there was a personal element for king in the portrayal of Jack that made him resent the original film (keeping in mind Stephen’s personal issues with alcohol). In the book he is a shadowed man but is also depicted as having genuine love for his family, his character weakened through addiction, making him a target for possession by the overlook. In the film, jack is portrayed as twisted from the beginning. In the book, Danny and Jack are very close as well… perhaps it was more that Jack Torrance was depicted as straight up evil and unredeemable from the start.
The wolf mask man I also found scary in the book. I didn’t agree that the scene from the mini series was accurate, even if the script was closer - it’s the execution that makes the mini series terrible. It’s just not made by a good filmmaker who understands fear. The violence feels gimmicky and student-filmy and poorly acted. The mini series may have been successful in its depiction of the plot if it was more accurately casted and directed by a decent director 🤷♀️
Great points all. The thing that gets me is that haters of the movie claim Book-Jack is more sympathetic, forgetting that Book-Jack participates in a hit-and-run and later, in a moment of blood-rage, almost cracks open the skull of his student on the pavement. There's a line I remember from the novel, in which Book-Jack reminisces about his time playing football and how "every game was a grudge match". How is all that more "sympathetic"?
One other thing is that the Overlook's layout doesn't make SENSE in several subtle ways, if you examine multiple scenes in the same area. The wall with the outside window, in the office where Jack has the interview, should abut a corridor. Hotel room doors that should have nothing behind them. With any other director, you might assume they cut corners on something that nobody would ever check, or missed some little detail, but not Kubrick. It all adds to this sense of wrongness.
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But of course the Moon landing was filmed by Kubrick.
Being a perfectionist, of course, he chose to shoot on location though.
actually your wrong the Moon landing was not filmed by Stanley it was filmed buy his brother Iggie ...who used a .28 Zeis lens made from crushed french people skulls ..
eskreskao no it was filmed in London. The part on tv
Kubrick was afraid of flying tho
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The music and the visuals are what make The Shining the scariest movie for me. Already the opening score makes me shiver and get goosebumps immediately I hear it....
Yeah, that theme song is...ominous.
I've seen the movie years ago, but, if I'm not wrong, the theme at the start revolves around the medieval tune of the Dies Irae. The same one the penitents chant in The Seventh Seal. Very menacing indeed
@ghosttrain2066 Although there is that second unit helicopter shadow in one shot...
I'm beyond sick and tired of this soundtrack being extremely out of print. Not even a digital release.
16:00 The sheer unnerving, otherworldly atmosphere of the performances and the music always leaves me in such an edge-of-my-seat state that the sharp, sudden cut to Danny's agape face of terror, despite having zero jump scare sound cue, always makes my heart skip far more than most horror films' hamfisted loud-boom jumpscares ever could.
it´s not that strange to me that The Shining has not been as influential as,say,The Exorcist,but what i don´t get is why more horror movies don´t try to use colors beyond black and red after watching this,there are bright colors everywhere and a noticeably lack of shadows and that makes it even more unnerving!
What makes you say it's not as influential?
"All work & no play make Jack a dull boy" & "Your Mother sucks cocks in Hell" are equally well known.
Jack Torrance is a very well known character, but without googling it I wouldn't be able to tell you the name of the mother from the Exorcist...
I think they're equally well known, but for different reasons. The Shining for it's characters, The Exorcist for it's stunning effects.
Yes it is.
The Shining changed how horror is created.
Kubrick did use red as a sign of danger a few times though. Like, when the cook got into the room with the red slim pillars, I immediately knew Jack was hiding behind one of them. Or when Jack headed to the almost completely red restroom with the waiter who was literally him. Both times, something extremely bad happened (a death of a man and another man reaching 100% insanity). It was really well done though, the color red never felt over-used like in other horror movies. I definitely won't forget this film for a while. A very special experience.
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Awesome vid, man.
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Why RUclips comments are *Terrifying*
D180223 the pornhub comment section is better
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Like one can comment anything with the most neutral wording posible and someone will find a way to offend or feel offended.
Cain chin That's just a problem with people in general. RUclips comments have always been stupid and toxic.
I remember a screenshot going around of a pornhub comments section where everyone's just earnestly talking about mental health and how they're getting over depression that week. Wish we could get more of that instead of boring Pepe memers...
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I love how Kubrick can create such suspense and fear while keeping every scene so brightly lit. I feel uneasy just seeing the green bathroom, or the red one.