SECRET WARS (1984) - The Comic Book That Changed Marvel Forever
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- In this video, Owen explains the history behind the 1984 comic book, Secret Wars, the original idea behind Jim Shooter's ambitious crossover and how it changed the landscape of the Marvel Comics universe for generations.
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1:56 - A War Like No Other
6:10 - A World Shaking Battle
10:30 - The War Is Over
12:41 - Conclusion
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props to giving crisis of infinite earths the credit it actually deserves.
Both Secret Wars , 84 and 2015, were some of the finest Comic Books I ever saw in 40 years of collecting M&D...
Absolutely loved the figures to this day. I have begun collecting them again, as well as the 2 separate comic sets. Great video! Secret Wars IS Marvel
Owen Likes Comics. Secret Wars was a great Story..but a Marvel Comic called "Contest of Champions" came out a couple years before Secret Wars and was the first big team up of heroes...that was a good series as well
As a child of the 80s, I'll never forget the anticipation for every single issue. great memories.
so you are saying you are around 40 or 50 years old and still has the passion for comics to watch this video?
@@user-eh5cp2qy7yhuh? Yeah imagine spending almost 20 min on a youtube video..
@@user-eh5cp2qy7yis that a problem?
I met Jim Shooter at a convention a few years back. He signed an issue of Secret Wars for me. Seemed like a nice guy.
That's cool!
Now sell it to comics explained for big bucks lmao
Dude. I met Jim Carrey at a convebtion a few years back. He signed a trade paperback of Secret Wars before he screamed at me and beat me with it. Seemed like a nice guy.
MisterSouji did he make you laugh?
@@Chromwel-A He beat me with a book...
There's something wholesome about Jim Shooter writing the story himself because he didn't want the Marvel writers to foster jealousy among each other and he figured "I'm the boss, they all hate me anyway."
Secret Wars! That Time Spidey whooped the X-Men til Professor X made him forget and precursor to the Infinity Gauntlet! Plus, it's kinda funny seeing Cap and Human Torch work together as they'd later share the same actor years later!
Have you only seen the movies?? 😐
@@5Ci0N No. Why would you ask that? Mephisto would have a discussion with Thanos about the universe being in Chaos before he gathers the infinity gems for order...and Lady Death.
Cap is old and dead in mcu already? Sooo
@@Starscream8896 your point?
@@5Ci0N what gave you that idea🤣
I remember when the 90s Spider-Man cartoon did an adaptation of this storyline for its last season. Super excited to see what you’ve got in store for us with this one.
@FaidThe Farter Yeah, it also included a Spiderverse arc right at the end of the final season.
@@redfruitt2656 No no, they pretty much mixed Spiderverse with the Clone Saga, since Peter is helped by differents alternate versions of him, including Ben Reilly.
what's the name of the show?
@@shayghneez Spider-Man : The Animated Series.
@@redfruitt2656 it was different spider-man’ from different dimensions. It wasn’t called the spiderverse. But it totally had those vibes.
As you mention, Shooter had worked for DC for over a decade before going to Marvel so "Crisis on Infinite Earths" may have been an influence BUT DC had been having three issue "Crisis" events in the JLA almost every year!
Secret Wars was published before Crisis.
Secret Wars was before Crisis.
@@goldenstatewarriors9418 they meant that since DC have been teasing the idea of Crisis before Secret Wars and Shooter used to work for DC, he might have used Crisis' concept in writing Secret Wars
the fact he managed to publish it earlier than Crisis is def a cherry on top
I Love the Ending of Secret Wars, With Pete keeping the Alien Suit which Leads into Venom’s introduction, And Ben staying on Battle world and She Hulk joining The Fantastic Four
Whos ben?
@@Starscream8896 the thing
Ben Grim. The Thing.
The Secret Wars was massive. I still have the original 12 issue run from 1984-85 stored away. The sequel, Secret Wars II, ran for 9 issues and apparently not remembered as fondly as its predecessor. Not only that, this series finally ends all arguments as to who is the baddest Marvel villain ever....and mantle goes to Doctor Doom (sorry, Thanos!) Great synopsis.
I also have both sets and I tried to collect all the secret wars crossover issues lol
I had all 12 comics and all the toy figures that went along with it. Must’ve been 7 years old and this got me into comics. Read them over and over.
Now I’ll forever wonder what would’ve happened if Claremont or Miller had been given the writing duties on Secret Wars
For all the issues Jim Shooter has, he knew how to run a comic company pretty damn well.
Agreed. Good writer too.
Yes. I think he's underrated for his time as the head of Marvel. And he IS a good writer.
Secret Wars was always my favorite set of Spider-Man animated episodes! Looking forward to learning bout the comic
This episodes blew my mind as a kid. Very good adaptation
Duude did loki set up secret wars? If soo is Dr. Doom gonna be the next Thanos?? 👀
I hope so that man deserves that role
Loki didn’t set it up….it’s already been laid BUT I hope they try and do secret wars 2015….which sees the multiverse collapse before the real good stuff ensues
I only say this since we have DOOM and the F4 fast my approaching the MCU
Secret Wars 2015
Kang
actually, Xavier can walk during this time because he's in a new clone body via shiar technology due to his original being turned into Brood.
In-story, they explained it as the Beyonder thinking of him in the wheelchair, likely because of earlier observation, and for casual fans, it just put any immediate questions of why he could walk aside. Also, I think someone on-staff just forgot this development at first.
I've honestly always looked at Secret Wars being the comic story that took something I did, in reading comics, that was a 'secret' to something that was now something everyone did. Comic stores in my hometown grew from the one I used to go up to about six or seven in one city alone. I think it was what started me moving on from comics, which was probably not its intended purpose.
Secret Wars is a fun read. Nice video!
Thanks!
Dude this was the first time I’ve watched a video on the secret wars comic run that actually explains what happens coherently. Genuine thank you.
I love the Secret Wars because of the main battles and the Black Suit
I recently watched the episodes based on the 90s cartoon,they were so awesome,i hope they adapt it in the mcu.
I think the Russo's did say they would be interested in adapting the storyline, if they got the chance. So maybe an MCU Secret Wars could happen in the future.
Dawg not every damn thing had to be adapted to the mcu maybe an animated movie. But Infinity war was enough for me
@@trpoihgg mostly i wanted to be adapted cus is a dr doom heavy story,and having doom as the next big villian in the mcu would something dreams are made.
There doing it type in avengers secret wars . Announcement
It's legit now
I still remember collecting this series....still have the original copies. Hulk holding up a mountain was epic.
Who else here after avengers secret wars was announced?
me
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I'd argue that Reed and Sue's wedding, as short as it was, was the first Marvel "event book".
Even though I think the Hickman's version is far superior, the classic Secret Wars still alot of fun. I remember being introduce to the event after watching it's adaptation from Spider Man TAS. Interesting enough, much like in the event was crossover between many heroes from different comic books, the Spider man TAS version was crossover between heroes from the Marvel animated series at the time (Spider man, Lizard and Black cat from Spider man TAS, Iron Man from Iron Man TAS, Storm from X-men TAS and Fantastic Four from their own animated series).
Hickman's a great writer but I have such fond memories of the 1st Secret Wars (less fond of Secret Wars II) I really wish marvel had not decided to reuse the series title
@@Dariushellstrome Agreed. I think the event should be called something like Doomworld or War of the Multiverses
With Hickman, his build-up to Secret wars with the Incursions as Time runs out for the Universe was better than his SW series, because SW was a mess with millions ideas, many not explored or randomly dropped. Though SW confrontation between Doom and Reed was superbly done.
Secret Wars 2015 was an absolute mess. And a missed opportunity for a real reboot by Marvel. The concept was good but the execution was sloppy. Late releases…even adding an issue in the middle of it. It just wasn’t well thought out. The build up, Time Runs Out was fantastic but Marvel dropped the ball. At least the original had a cohesive story that had long lasting changes to the status quo. And if DC took their sweet time with Crisis, that’s their fault.
Secret Wars confirmed for the MCU
I just love the covers on this series. There is something about that draws people in. Very well done.
Avengers Secret Wars is gonna be EPIC!!!
Secret Wars is how the mcu should end. Specifically the 2016 one IMO. It’s legit perfect. Fantastic Four being introduced. The multiverse being confirmed with Andrew and tobey being shown. Kang being shown! And so much more multiverse doctor strange and Loki stuff. It’s perfect.
@@shad0wwastaken_104 E N D. Finale
I highly doubt tobey is coming back after no way home
Wouldn’t it be a missed opportunity not to have Secret Wars fall in the middle of the next Spider-Man trilogy and do the black suit/symbiote saga?
secret wars will happen, but it definitely won’t be the end of the mcu. there’s still a ton that they haven’t covered, they’re also the biggest movie franchise in history. 25 billion in revenue, they have a lot more projects they want to cover
If it is the end on secret wars I thank they just start a new mcu world cuz remember there a lot of stuff they can do so the mcu is here to stay FOREVER
Thank you for this video, one of the best explanations without the overkill
Catching up on videos while I study, Owen, you may have just convinced me to finally finish reading the original Secret Wars.
One thing that the secret wars offrered us is the new spider man costume that is of black and white away from his traditional classic red and blue suit from the 70s and 80s it was good back then
I was primarily a spider man fan, and still have my copy of the symbiot issue of secret wars. Honestly with out it, I don’t the Secret Wars would be of much interest. The beyonder was a bit cheezy.
It was a great series and it came out at just about the time that I began collecting comics.
Oh yeah. This is 100% the direction the MCU is going for the next End Game type Avengers movie at the end of phase 6.
Spiderverse, Venomverse, the X-men, and the young and regular avengers vs literally all the other villians with Galactus and Dr.Doom being at the fore front of the charge for the villians. And Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie leading the heroes
@@ahabduennschitz7670 Oh god please yes
maybe not exactly like he said it, but it will follow that path.
@@ahabduennschitz7670 why?
@@ahabduennschitz7670 explain
@@GinoBtheman Why?
@@GinoBtheman he's literally signed on for three more spiderman solo movies.. and 6 cameo roles in up coming films until 2026.....lmao. but ok?
I'm so excited to see if the MCU adapts Secret Wars now that it can legally use all the characters in the comic.
I doubt they would, since nowadays it would likely be seen by the general public as a re-hash of Infinity War, even with inclusion of the X-men.
@@queenannsrevenge100 Not the Hickman version, which the X-Men aren't involved. I dont think the Universe being destroyed by the Incursions and God Emperor Doom ruling over Battleworld would be looked at as a rehash. Hats probably the one they'll adapt.
They will. Bringing in all the characters (ahem, mutants) may be one of the main reasons for the movie(s).
The Russo brother have stated that they REEEEEALLLLLY want to do Secret wars. But that’s probably gonna be Phase 5
well today was ur lucky day bro
Secret wars is so cool and great video man :]
Without the Secret Wars there' d be no Symbiote...and without the Symbiote there'd be Brock/Venom! Without either of those...Sony wouldn't have much to market...
Speaking of Venom, they should do a video on Venom on how he was created because originally he was going to be a woman.
@@srstriker6420 That plan with the car accident and pregnant lady was pretty bizzare. I'm glad they went with Eddie Brock instead.
@@goldenstatewarriors9418 well the motivation is a bit more understandable than an opportunist who wanted to boost up his career which ended in poor reporting.
@@srstriker6420 Yeah but it feels a bit cliche'd. Also the way they did Brock's story with the church, the symbolism of how he named himself Venom, and the thing with protecting the innocents always conflicting with wanting to kill Spider-man always seemed much better.
@@goldenstatewarriors9418 well I don’t know does Spider-Man need female members in his rouges gallery and I’m pretty sure that people won’t stop hating on the Spider-Man 3 Venom even if he is comic book accurate.
I’m so happy we’re getting secret wars but I kind of think they will go off of the 2015 version
Great vid bro!
Sir. As a comic book fan your channel is a gem!
The Marvel Universe designation of 616 was down to Alan Moore during his run on Captain Britain
Favorite series of all time. Really cemented my love for comics
“The Main marvel universe is earth 616”.
Uses photo of earth 1610 (from its most infamous story).
Great information and review! Thanks
Cool video and informative. Thanks
The Shooter period is such an interesting time in the history of Marvel. Lots of good, some bad, but I think it's the most transformative or "important" period of Marvel history outside of the original era of Lee/Kirby/Ditko/etc.
Loved the Secret Wars as a kid, it reignited my love for comics. Add in the then more easily available imports of original US issues rather than rely on UK reprints and I was hooked on superhero comics all over again after being swayed by the likes of 2000AD and Judge Dredd for a time, fond memories.
Great review, great series. Secret Wars was terrific reading in 1980's when I was in high school. Looking frwrd to the MCU movie version!❤
I remembered watching the secret wars cartoon as a kid and loved it. There was nothing out there then that was close to the story telling. Never really understand the whole story line until watching this video. Thanks.
I still got all 12 original editions in bags with boards.
My childhood. This is one of the first Marvel Comics I ever read. One of my favorite events from Marvel.
Great video as always Owen! Have you considered doing a follow up with Secret Wars 2015?
I love the 2015 Secret Wars, it's genuinely one of my favourite events Marvel have ever done. So, potentially.
and they're going to try and make a movie(s) about this?? Good luck!!
well, there were two secret wars, this and the 2015 run, the 2015 one is more likely simply because its more reliant on concepts of the multiverse, but we have NO clue yet, itll be interesting to see, itll all be dependent on how this phase develops and what characters they pull in
@@yeetothatcheeto6669 I genuinely have a feeling it might be a mix of both
Why make a premiere just release it I'm here ready to watch it
Classic
Last time I was this early uncle Ben was still alive.
What?
Too soon, Raul 😬
0:57 It was the first major event *series*. The first major event book was Fantastic Four Annual #3 cover dated 1965.
Ever gonna cover the immortal hulk?
I need to finish reading it first, but it's hopefully on the cards for this year.
Secret wars is the most important comic series to me, as it was the first one I ever read. A couple years ago, my dad ordered a compendium book that had remastered art and I read secret wars for the first time. Still my favorite comic.
Imagine the MCU doing a secret wars trilogy. I bet that'd be expensive!
But would net that so much money! I would watch the movies 3x each if done correctly
@@Starscream8896 My goodness, it'd be a bigger event than Endgame!
well good news on that secret wars is officially confirmed(not sure about a trilogy tho)
@@JaysonPrime in my opinion secret wars is gonna be a bigger event than endgame
Watching bc this is gonna happen in MCU
What’s funny is Jim Shooter is a fan favorite and did helm in Marvels best era. But when you read interviews from all the writers at the time, they really did all seem to hate him lol
I lost my comic book collection to rats in a closet, the issues of Secret Wars among them.
I regret not taking better care of them to this day.
I was two or three when Secret Wars originally came out and I couldn't read but I vaguely remember my dad and my uncle going crazy over this arc. Later in the 90s I got the collected edition (from that same uncle I mentioned) and read it then.
Marvel Secret Wars is my Favorite ever Comic Book Event.
Have the original 1984 set packaged up and sealed that I bought when I was a kid. Used to ride by bike 5 miles back and forth to the comic book store every week. Good times.
I like how Secret Wars is one of the best comics in history and Secret Wars 2 is one of the worst and they were separated by a few months
I never understood how they commissioned the sequel to the super-Best selling original and then decided to put Al Milgrom on pencils. Not fan favourites like George Perez or John Byrne or Micheal Golden. But Al bloody Milgrom.....
I liked Secret Wars 2. It was a really interesting idea.
@@JamesBurrTV His art was terrible and the storyline was atrocious.
@@JamesBurrTV His art was terrible and the storyline was atrocious.
Emocionado por el vídeo 👊
Gracias, espero que lo disfrutes.
I view the 1982 series "Marvel Super Hero Contest of Champions" as a trial run on this very thing. There was a toy line and it involved a plot that would bring together dozens of superheroes to battle one another. Of course, it was only 3 issues and was not as successful or as influential, but it remains the predecessor to both Crisis and Secret Wars.
4:50 You'd be surprised with how much influence Mattel's focus groups had on the storyline
I have the full original set of the comics. The pride of my comic collection!
In 1984 when the secret wars was being released, i was in high school , 13 yrs old and a huge comic fan..still am today..but the Secret Wars was my greatest possession....only problem, i had to wait 2 - 3 weeks each time for the next episode to be shipped to me (no internet, computers, no spoilers...)...but so worth the wait...i had the whole original comic series..... and read the whole series again and again before boxing them up for safe keeping....
yes im here in 2022
You know considering Loki just dropped I don't know if this is a case of amazing timing or just a coincidence but either way I'm all for some Secret Wars
Been loving these series
Secret Wars was great. Can’t wait for more videos
Dr. Doom is a menace
great vid
top content as always owen! is it safe to assume you'll be tackling the 2015 secret wars at some point? :) if so i look forward to hearing your thoughts on it and any behind the scenes on it :D
The story that made me realize that Dr Doom is the greatest Marvel villain to ever be created. Really wish he would have gotten his time in the spotlight before the MCU did the Infinity arc, because Doom will look weak comparatively in any ensuing movie (as will anyone compared to literal Infinite power), and IMAGINE if they had to deal with Doom showing up to assist with destroying Thanos after seeing him as a villain for a few movies. Because he absolutely would have. He has a country and people to care for. He coulda fought with Tony about tech, and Strange about magic, and talked down to Thanos about wielding power properly. There were so many opportunities. He definitely would have cozied up to Wanda because he would have immediately recognized her as the most powerful being in the MCU. Fucking hell, I'm making myself sad lol.
Doom is the best, but unfortunately, they refuse to do anything with him without bringing the boring ass FF along with him, and just portraying him as a power hungry idiot to be beat up by stretchy fists and family love. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Agree with you about DR Doom ONLY appearing with the Fantastic Four in the Marvel movies, although I do like both. I remember in the eighties ( I'm 49 years old) Spiderman fought Dr Doom in cartoons quite often but never in movies.
I obviously don't know if you play any videogames.
There is a game called Ultimate Alliance. Dr. Doom is one of the villains. Great game.
@@jaspermcminnis5538 great game indeed
Hickman's FF4 was really good
He will be the villain of secret wars💯
Great job on this retrospective Owen,really enjoyed it,didn't know all the history and reason why this series was produced.Jim Shooter seemed like a very good business man,knew the comic business,too bad he was fired tho.Some of those covers were designed very well,some of the inside art looked rushed or half=heartedly done,uh maybe that's just me???750,000 issues sold.WOW.Are any modern comics reaching these sells figures??? I WONDER.Have you done a retrospective on CRISIS??? If not,will you OLE SACRED ONE????
Crisis is on the cards. Might not be for a while, but it's on my list!
"Marvel Super Hero Contest of Champions" three issue mini-series had Secret Wars beat by a couple of years. Think it was originally published back in '82. And it literally had EVERY 616 character-- like End Game times 10.
I just love how Magneto shows up on the heroes' team.
I really enjoyed the Thing series when he stayed on Battleworld
Bro when I saw the title card I got freaked out and was like “yo that’s my name” then I saw your channel name lol
The secret wars is a big event for marvel comics. 😀👍
Dr Doom the entire time: Gimme dat power
Keep it up Owen! Another banger!
As much as I understand the significance of this comic and it's impact on the industry; I find the book intolerable and difficult to read. I'm sure if I were to read it at the time id find a lot more compelling.
Thanks! That's definitely fair, I think the 2015 version executes the idea of the original comic brilliantly. The 1984 Secret Wars is still groundbreaking and significant though.
I was a teenager when this series came out and yes it was incredibly compelling!!
As a 51 year old now, I went back and re read it....and I agree, it's VERY difficult to read.
Amazing video awesome, love the way you tell the story really great and letting us know about the history many kind regards matt stay safe always ❤ 🙏 👍 🦿
I was new into comic books when Secret Wars dropped. The only controversy I remember was Spider-man getting a black suit to replace his iconic one. That said, while I didn't own the comics for years, my friend had them and I read them several times at his house. This was how I was introduced to The Avengers and Fantastic Four as my only interest at the time was X-Men and Spider-man. As such, it worked great to advertise the other comics (I cared nothing for toys) and I eventually started collecting The Avengers, Fantastic Four, and then by '86, West Coast Avengers.
Enjoyed the 2 mini series still got collected comics 1 of the first Secret Wars from Marvel UK
Wasn't Contest of Champions a sort of pre-cursor to the crossovers coming
Yeah, even though people crossed over in titles all the time, the multiple character crossover was really first done in Contest of Champions. It's easy to forget that Marvel had somehow thrived for over 20 years without a single "Event." It's incomprehensible now, of course.
I loved Secret Wars. It was such a fun series.
Have do the rise of Venom?
I remember 1984 I was 14 living in Los Angeles secret wars was saleing at 7 11 stores loved it
Love Secret Wars '84, and I still think it would be a great basic introductory primer to the Marvel Universe to new - and especially young - readers to this day, despite all the numerous continuity changes upon changes that have taken place since then. yes...?
(Plus, it might be the die-hard Spidey fan in me, but that brief skirmish wherein he clobbers pretty much the entire X-Men roster is still one of my favourite bits from this story to this day...!!!).
PS: Speaking of iconic '80s comics that were designed to sell toys, any chance we could get a video on the equally-awesome G1 Marvel Transformers series any time soon, please...? (Preferably the Marvel UK ones, but I'm not fussy, yes...?!)
I remember being a kid and waiting for the next issue to come out. I still have 1-12 and my Spider-Man SWars action figure
i read this and infinity gauntlet when i was little, fun times. second secret wars where beyonder pulls up to earth is also funny
I love Secret Wars!
I watched this right after finishing devil's reign, it's cool to see how far marvel has come in terms of their events
Who’s here after marvel announced secret wars for phase 6?
While I was buying Transformers issue #1, I saw Secret Wars #8 (the black-suit Spider-Man cover), gave it a quick read, and left the store with it as well. This began me reading comics until 1992, right after The Infinity Gauntlet wrapped everything up nicely, and I had better things to spend money on (for many, many reasons my 18yr old self had). I feel lucky to have read Marvel comics during this 8 year span, which allowed me to fully appreciate everything the MCU has done.
If MCU secret wars is anything like this, it’s gonna be awesome
I remember going to the local 7 eleven every month picking up this series