NIETZSCHE: The Eternal Recurrence
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- The eternal recurrence is a central notion of Nietzsche’s thought. It supposes that you’d have to experience the same life, with the same events and same experiences, repeated for eternity.
Nietzsche suggests that most people would consider this a curse and that it would require the most impassioned love of life: to crave nothing more fervently than this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal.
The idea is horrifying and paralysing as it carries the burden of the “heaviest weight” imaginable. However, it is also the ultimate affirmation of life, it is the rock the fills the emptiness and weightlessness void of nihilism.
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*"I shall return eternally to this identical and self-same life in the greatest things and in the smallest, to teach once more the eternal recurrence of all things. To speak once more the teaching of the great noontide of earth and man, to tell man of the Overman once more.”* - Nietzsche
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Awesome. Glad we could make this collaboration happen.
It was great! Thanks again friend.
Just was confused to get it twice into my feed.
You guys are awesome!
Hello.
I'm from Spain and I am in love with the ideas of Nietzsche and I just wanted to comment that thanks for this compilation, I'm very happy that I'll be living discovering this video eternally :)
The Eternal Recurrence is a concept hinted at in Zelda and finally instantiated explicitly in Breath of The Wild. Whether or not it truly reflects the nature of the universe, it does reflect the nature of the human mind; that it can only go in any given direction so far before snapping back into the center.
Thus the mandala, conceived of as an ontological compass has a hidden identity with the uroboros. The Eternal Recurrence orients us towards life, whereas the idea of progression, though necessary, leads to separation and denial of life.
The latter can only ever be an illusion, but without it there is no consciousness.
Beautiful, thank You. ;D
Can you say that again in English
This is one of my favourite channels, this should be FAR MORE popular than it is now. Great Work!
Speaking of Heraclitus, it'd be dope to see you do a video on him.
This channel deserves way more views. Keep up the great videos.
I don't think it is right to characterize Darwin as advocating "the survival of the fittest", but rather, that he advocated the idea of natural selection. Fitness being less of a competitive notion than an adaptive one
Is the eternal recurrence really just knowing that this life is finite? It will be stored in the Akashic like a book to be picked up every once in a while, unchangeable, but able to be experienced again. However, our consciousness continues to expand to be & become other things. Those who are very attached to THIS experience of life (the ego) despair over the idea of having to transform into something else. They want THIS form to be final &...well, God.
But...you can't be God without BECOMING GOD. (transforming)
More great content. Thank you👌
Eternal Recurrence might be true, but I would imagine it being on a much larger scale than one life, more fitting to the concept of infinity. Therefore it would rather be countless and countless lives as reincarnations to every possible form imaginable, with spiritual worlds between the reincarnations, and after eons and eons, when all else has been experienced, one would return to the same life he's living now. Actually, even if that were the case, I don't see why life should be exactly the same as before. First, you would have to experience all other possible variations to your current life. In this way it would certainly take so long to get back into the exact same life, it could as well be said never since it would take exactly the amount of time eternity takes.
@Ceaseless Watching Nothing is really gone, it will always exist as an idea within the cosmos
u might wanna check out the egg theory
Infinity is here an now but could be relevant lol
Eternity isn't a long time; not only does every possible world happen but every single possible world happens an infinite amount of times.
Also you don't return to this life as 'you' don't exist. The same type of creature crawls out of the swamp again.
@@ontyam But my question is this: what is truly possible? If all possible worlds can occur, is it possible for worlds to exist that contain superheroes and magic (i.e. worlds that would be considered impossible or fictional)?
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Great video! Love your content my friend! Keep up the great work!
Thanks a lot Andrew! :)
Right now, your past is set in stone. Just like in the future, this moment right now will be part of your past and it too will have been set in stone. And every other moment that lead to that future self will have been set in stone. You can't change the past because that would mean being able to change the future. It's just a show, like a movie streaming forever and ever. Nothing ever changes. It's your movie so relax and enjoy it! It's the only one that has been ever playing.
Great Work, thank You. ;D
"Life is play."
This is the statement that makes Peterson balk and turn from a philologist into a theologian. If he cannot impose responsibility on himself and others, he fears he has no power. His imprecations to gratitude spring from resentment.
your videos on nietzsche might be my favourite
ive believed this for a while didn't know neitzsche did as well, very cool to hear what comes after that realization because i've had quite the hard time grappling with it
Same , I had an "epiphany " . Now I know I'm not alone. :)
Great stuff. Just keep going. Amazing content. Greetings from Bosnia.
Thanks a lot Zlatko!
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Thank you for sharing, I wish you a great day, seen both parts great collab.
Thank you! You too!
Great videos , thanks Man 😉
"One repays a teacher badly, if one always remains as a pupil"
great video!
If it's eternal then we are already reoccurring and can't detect it or remember. If we can remember then it's the essence of boredom. The natural feeling of discomfort when repeating tasks. So um... no thanks.
What a great video !
Thanks a lot Wissam!
We need more people like u sir .Thank you soo much
We need people that will simply spell out 'you' instead of 'u'. Dumb
Two of my favourite philosophy explanation channels collaborating? Man I am lucky
I'm honored. Thank you!
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Great stuff! I've been wanting to do a bit of a Nietzsche pilgrimage for years to the Engadine and to the rock there where he first came up with the eternal recurrence (or rather where it came to him) I had never thought of Nietzsche as a metaphysician because of all the noise he makes about Plato and Christianity but of course it makes perfect sense with the eternal recurrence and will to power. They have always struck me as odd as to what exactly his belief was with them and what his attitude was-thought experiment or deep belief
Thanks! That place is beautiful. Really good point - thought experiment or deep belief. Nietzsche was one of those thinkers who lived what he thought.
In some of his posthumous notes he says:
"One must want to experience the great problems with one's body and one's soul"
In other words, the dichotomy between thinking and feeling, intellect and passion, has disappeared. He feels his thoughts. He can fall in love with an idea. An idea can make him ill.
@@Eternalised I'd never heard that line before that's great stuff. I've always felt with him that it was precisely his ideas that made him ill or that there's some deep connection there obviously he had that sense as well. If nothing else you gotta admire his dedication
Very good !
Thank you!
For quite some time I have watched all I can of philosophers and theologians here on You Tube and I like your presentations best. But I wish you would provide something full-length and more in depth.
I think that the concept of eternal reccurance might be misunderstood. I don't really believe that Nietzsche meant that he would born again and come through the exact same path. It is his eternal will that would rather reoccur again.
According to Alan Watts every human being carries nature in itself, thus there are no individuals but only dufferent types of will that those individuals carry. For me Jesus, Buddha, Nietzsche and me are all the same. Our lifes go on differently, but we all have something in common, we carry some sort of an eternal will(basically spirit) that makes us suffer and research the truth. Thus, I am Nietzsche. This is how Nietzsche infinitely reborns.
Yes! We are Now Billions, by the Way. Perhaps we make it Good this Time Around. Gonna be a Bumpy Ride, as Always was, is, and will be, Forever. ;D
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Thanks !!!
Very excellent video!
Just one thing though, and sorry if I'm splitting hairs here, but @ 5:33 Darwin himself never said "Survival of the fittest." That's a phrase which Herbert Spencer coined. I believe it's through his writings that Nietzsche learned about evolution, and not through Darwin directly. Apologies for being a stickler for the details though! Great video nonetheless!
Yea, it’s more like survival of the most adaptable to the environmental climate at that point in time.
Sisyphus eternally trying to improve himself to roll up his rock.
Sisyphus is happy to roll up that piece of rock for all eternity because he is thankful for his strong and powerful body.
Because he sees the absurdity for what it is and gladly accepts it.
@@satnamo Wow.
I thought a lot about Nietzsche’s assertion how he would have chosen to live his life again the same way as he has, or will have lived from his perspective at the time of writing. I think by writing it he suggests the readers should feel the same way. I think EVEN IF it were an option to any of us, it would be a hell and torture to live the same life again. Especially if you consider all the suffering and tragedies we see in lives of others as well as in our own.
The Buddhist view that it is best to never be alive again to suffer is a better choice.
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If you think life is pointless, then you haven’t truly endured suffering , not saying that I did, but just don’t forget to be grateful for what ya got already
Can you explain further?
@@mikenfcnorth Imagine going through a really hellish experience. The moment you finally get out of that you feel great amount of relief. Would you feel that life was pointless then? What was the reason you were put through that suffering in the first place? What is the reason you are finally free again? It sure as hell can’t be pointless can it?
A lot of people that hint at the idea that life is just a pointless “matrix” or whatever are probably just bored, that belief probably stems from their lives being monotonous. And it is not really their fault that modern lifestyle can feel that way sometimes.
I can relate to being through hardship since I was incarcerated for some time.
Sitting in my cell and thinking and reflecting to myself finally got me to a realization - there is 100% purpose to you being alive and it is a great gift to BE.
@@alankussainov3489 there is no reason for why you suffered. why would anything metaphysical put you through hardships ?? that sounds way too anthropomorphic. i’d like to think deities would have way cooler shit to do .. but it is pretty cool to be able to have experiences. + what did being locked up teach you that no other experience could have ?? to be appreciative of your previous QOL ??
@@alankussainov3489 So basically your reasoning is that you gave yourself a reason to be alive?
@@alankussainov3489 You're completely wrong. After extreme suffering, it never leaves you. You feel a shadow of it everywhere you go, where small things remind you of years stolen and the repeating question of why. You zone out some times, and you'll find yourself back in hell, other times there's nightmares where the same things happen again and again. It never ends, and really the only truth isn't to find meaning in life but to find enough spite that the existence of your tormentors is enough purpose to continue.
I selfishly want this to be true, so I can relive growing up in the 90s over and over again. Obviously I won't be aware of it, but I don't care. Nickelodeon....enough said
Man, I would love you to provide us some way to access your art selection. I think it's superve. I love it. My taste.
Thanks! I don't have a particular folder with all the art I use but it could be interesting to make one and somehow share it online crediting the authors, i'll think about it. Thanks!
"Time is a flat circle"
The way to actually reconciliate the idea of becoming and being from Heraclitus and Parmenides (and the way I suspect Nietzsche thought about it) is to recognize how they both true depending on the perspective. Parmenides argued that all that existed was a reorganization of the same 'particles,, nothing really changed. If were to change it had to come from nothing, because if it came from something that already existed, it was going to be made from the same 'particles'. But isn't this same reorganization of particles the change that Heraclitus was talking about? The difference is in perspective. Where Parmenides sees the same things just ordered differently, Heraclitus sees an infinite parade of configurations being spawned at each moment. The tension of opposites is resolved. This to me is more likely to be Nietzsche's perspective than the idea of the repetiveness of the motion of washing in the river
2:50 stamping this.
I mean its a thought I had as well, before I heard of this
What if the more vivid memories of our own lives have been reinforced by the eternal recurrence?
If that was the case u would be having them now so that's not the case
Is this about confronting the immense nature of time?
If everything in the past, future, and present is happening simultaneously and we are limited to a linear path as a limit to our conscious existence then surely he IS eternally carrying out his task, even after to his and our moment to moment experience he has ceased to.
7:30 How does he judge what is eternally good or bad? His disgust lays to waste.
came here cause i had a thought a long time ago "what if the world - the universe and reality repeats itself" no one understood me and now i have what its actually called "eternal return"
what if deja vu is our past-future selves memories and when we remember them we also dont remember them - idk its hard to explain idk why i just wrote a entire paragraph...
i don’t think we’d even be able to remember anything ... your synapses die along w you + consciousness/you are definitely an illusion created by the brain. our bodies aren’t even our own - we have no control over what illnesses we might get as we age, how long we can ‘fight off’ diseases, etc. + wouldn’t this apply to all creatures on earth in theory
The theory that the Universe goes through an endless cycle of creation and destruction is not just philosophical, but scientific as well. Science doesn't think it would recreate itself the same way *every* time, but since the Universe consists of a limited amount of matter, it would be bound to repeat itself occasionally over the scale of infinity.
Very enjoyable. Would it be okay for me to drop a link for the Uberboyo discord into this channel as the overlap in topic is clear.
Thanks.
Thank you! Absolutely, feel free to share it anywhere.
@@Eternalised Thank you very much
Yeah baby
"Have I ever been here before? Is it better that I don't know?".
You should narrate the book. Sounds much better than the audio book version
Nice
Thank you!
Pain without complain isn't pleasure at all.
This reminds me of Einstein mentioning of energy. How it cannot be created nor destroyed. I do believe there is a creator though. One who has been existent and always will exist. Being as time itself is more of a process of mankind in the solar system due to the fact we age and eventually die. I don't believe the same rules of the solar system apply to all of the universe. But that's just my understanding. This is interesting though. I believe scientists regardless of their beliefs still hold great value in their discoveries and theories.
It doesn’t matter how it works as theirs is no braking away from simple truth. We have no control or ability to brake away from the cycle. Take mirror and point it at another mirror. That’s reality looking at itself, what do you see? Same thing over and over and over. Never ending cycle. It is in us to deny that. As there is no reward for knowing this. It’s not knowing is what keeps us going
But what if your cycle is to break away from the cycle. I think your conciseness is the reward. It’s your turn in the cycle and you have the ability to alter it in how you carry out your life. Those mirrors are just a reflection of your reality now, they’ll just copy what you do cause your in control.
Eternal recurrence in a supernatural being is someone who like a musician eventually recurs until it becomes Apollo or King David or a Beethoven or a Leonard Bernstein!🎶🦻👁️🎺🧘🙏🌅✨👀
Oh my! Perhaps you're the Zarathustra of this eternal reccurence ;)
You seem to know too much. Tell me, WHY IS THIS CHANNEL SO UNDERRATED.?
Thanks a lot Joseph! Comments like these are what keep me going :)
Nietzsche was a undoubtedly a philosophical giant. But I suspect that he was also somewhat of an insufferable prick. I have deep respect for his ideas, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want him as a roommate.
This is my speech. So, please, behold. I endured, still endure, and will endure suffering, but not for all eternity. I believe that everything is temporary, even the so-called "eternal torment" might have an end. I do not want anyone, not even those who died, and will stand before God, and be judged, and be either rewarded, or tormented, to suffer anymore. Eternity is eternity. Time is time. End is end. Everything will occur eternally, but with no pain. I want it all to happen. THE ETERNAL RECURRENCE will go on for all eternity, NOT all other things, except for this one thing, the Eternal Recurrence.
Stephen King's The Dark Tower series is a story about eternal occurrence when its main character, Roland, at the end of his quest, starts anew, over and over.
The Hu-man is the flowing ongoing ever changing river of Spirit, Water, & Blood, Flesh, Bone, Marrow, Skin, Hair, & Nails in an Evolving Universe!
I am here after my 3 Time rewarching the máster piece the good place
‘Was that life ?’
I want to say to death.
Well then!
Once more, my friend!
Death is das source of life because life is das source of death:
Gold is reborn from supernovae.
One more thing: I think Zarathustra has read the book of Ecclesiastes. I think he studied it.
If you think about it, you have already lived over and over again, so is it really bad or good? If it needs to be pointed out to you, then you can't and won't know you are in an eternal recurrence.
"The -river- Jordan is a symbol of becoming."
"If it's not fake then it's true"
That I could be any the worse for the eternal recurrence of my hellish life would require that I have evidence for it. As it is I have no evidence for it.
Look into Descartes, then come to this video again.
I don't know. Sometimes, I feel like the eternal recurrence isn't the biggest challenge to Amor Fati.
Eternal recurrence, means that the humans will all spawn again, but in unknowing... there will be interesting similarities, of those who look the same, with the same part or full name, doing the same jobs, every recurrence, the significance of these recurrences I cannot say, but I am sure they will happen....
I kinda wish Nietzsche was still around so he could receive a better explanation of what evolutionary principles are. "Fitness" is relative to the environment, and it's not the most important aspect, reproduction is. It doesn't matter how strong and high up on the ladder you are, if you don't reproduce, your attributes don't go on. For some reason he seems to think it conflicts with his own assessments, but they don't, and I think it's because he's misunderstood evolution's fundamental driving forces and lack of ultimate goal. You can still pursue will to power independently of genetic drift. In fact, one could say genes have their own will to power, as even genes one might consider "unfit" can become dominant in the gene pool under certain circumstances, but it is a mindless brute forcing of semi randomized attributes that is foundational to life on earth either way.
With my limited understanding of quantum physics. Is this not the way of being in a multiversal super position with yourself. Just a random idea I thought may be interesting to someone else.
Can someone confirm it’s only a philosophical theory not supported by science or as a possible absolute truth? Only the idea it can be true makes me have panic attacks
please don't . I might be missing something but if it IS true, it would give my life some meaning. People are different I suppose ;)
I've been thinking about it all day and maybe because in some places time goes faster than other places, it can't repeat itself because those times would be out of sync?
Eternal recurrence is really more valuable as a question itself than as conjecture on reality. The aphorism "The Greatest Weight" is my favorite take on this.
I've always been a thinker. Being raised Christian, I began to think in these kind of ways because I was unsatisfied with my result of modeling after its archetype with conviction. I studied and lived by the idea that self sacrifice has it rewards, to act with a divine sense of self and punish the ego (which its followers aren't really the best at, lotta hypocrisy and superiority complexes). I remember in 1st grade I picked up a Quran and was fascinated that it read that people where made out of clay rather than dust. Big No No for my parents. Come 2020 Not having read any critiques of Christianity prior, I had a series of panic attacks and hospitalizations 2 years ago because I felt I had betrayed the god I was raised to believe and trying so hard to model after (I've always been a thinker). If Christianity taught me anything its how to stay positive. Try not freak out; because I can say breaking out of "cultural phycosis" can be Hell and fuck it was, especially when most people you know will demonize you for it. If you have to live this life again, live it in such a way that you wouldn't mind doing it again.
i get pretty anxious abt all this stuff too but the only way to curb stomp anxiety is knowledge. these philosophical ideas are pretty much just info hazards/thought experiments. learning abt our current reality (our bodies, earth/ecological stuff, etc) might bring you some comfort + don’t think too hard abt ‘what comes after’. death is not even something you can experience (dying sort of is ? but you won’t even be able to remember it lol). death is prolly akin to before you were born. so don’t worry + keeping plants may help you become accustomed to the idea of death. even stars die :) dw ! we’ll all just be pretty cosmo dust eventually .. imagine it. you’ll materialize into something beautiful 🌌
watch the movie "reminiscent". We may replicate events of our own life. But not now,
You decisions are based on more than just your personal choices. Your life is culmination of all you have experienced, After Nietzsche died, we learned that Physics isn’t entirely deterministic. I believe Nietzsche’s Eternal Reoccurrence is a great philosophical idea, but it can definitely be improved.
Did Nietzsche believe during the eternal occurrence could we remember our past life after death?
There are Always Connections and Things Occurring. ;D
No you misunderstood the idea
If you have a great life this would be amazing. If you have a life that seems hard through and through then this would be a curse. If you’re like most of us and your life is a series of ups and downs, you’ll just feel tired. 😂
Luckily, the laws of physics don't care about many humans ego to believe in eternal life. 😮
We get one go at this ride so all we can do is make it a good one 👍 😅
The dead are elsewhere and this is one of those places.
What if we except our vulnerabilities, eat chocolate, drink wine, and help others?
Why would you hate this idea unless you misrepresent your life?
We just always want more, such is the greatest sickness.
There is nothing, let alone nothing MORE.
is it not already so obviously tragic, to exist without consenting to
In the immortal words of Janis Joplin: It's all the same day. The only power you have is to raise your own consciousness.
Advice from a fkn drunk. No thanks
@@gen-x-zeke8446 nobody is telling you what to do
@@dmiller4511 Everyone hates my kind of mind. I hate my life. It's hard making it on $1,900 a month and just 2 cars+ $500 welfare to skim by. Sorry if I'm in a foul mood, but I deserve way better. Pay up.
@@gen-x-zeke8446 maybe it is the same cesspool Nietzsche and Joplin found themselves in. He wrote books, she wrote songs. Not everybody hates your mind, you seem pretty smart to me. We are looking forward to seeing how you transmute the sh!t into something creative.
@@dmiller4511 I'll be just fine. Sarcasm is off is all. I have no doubts in my skills as a thinker just because I'm not famous. It would be great to converse with professors. I am a free thinker mostly with a collection of ideas and interests. I don't think philosophy is about 'knowing' to me. How much will ever be known?
an example the eternal recurrence is me not subscribing because I'm told to which is annoying enough to not do it even if I would've
See DNA markers for when the human species almost went extinct... the braids I assume here, are more twisted and dense, and hence are permanently passed on , to other offspring.
But...even if you did live your life repeatedly forever, this means nothing if you dont remember your past life.
There isn’t supposed to be a meaning behind life, life itself is meaningless we are here just cause.
@@Valkyrae123 fr. plus in the moment, life has subjective meaning as long as you give it meaning. just take each day as it comes and eat something nice
Your life is based on your actions, your actions are based on your experiences, your experiences are based on probability
ApeX. That is a very intelligent thought.
@@AYVYN And probability is based on...?
Side note: Now THAT'S a mustache!
He had a cool shirt that said Mustache rides 5 deutsch marks. That's how he got syphillis.
Can someone please respond to this comment. Please watch the futurama episode “the late Phil j fry” is this essential what this theory is?
Someone else said that Hell is other people...
I so look forward to live my life again, exactly as it is. With all ups and downs and joy and pain.
To imagine to live someone else's life really seems Hell.
Noooooo
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Amor farty is the love of farts. In sound, fragrance and timing.
i don’t understand this I’m glad though these people have lost it
dude needed to smoke some weed lol
You are most def the same narrator as in bedtime stories. Just pitched slightly. I 👀 what u did there
And the inflection is in a diff spotttttt. Lol.
I love all the philosophers in the comments. 😅 you guys have life all figured out.
If Nietzsche had known about TV reruns of The Three Stooges, he might have rejected eternal recurrence.
I like the Stooges myself, but I see your point.
@@valerietaylor9615 One of my friends, w/an MS in philosophy, thinks the Three Stooges are the greatest philosophers. I disagree. I think they are satirizing Putin, Xi and Kim.
I just don't believe in the eternal reccurence
why ? the universe is ever expanding and i’m sure things repeat every once in a while if the particle mixture or some shit is just right. maybe you won’t become conscious ever again but eternal recurrence definitely holds some truth for other things in our reality.
@@ash5779 well maybe we lived once who is to say things won't return the same again
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