NIETZSCHE: Eternal Recurrence Is Real (in the Will to Power Notes)

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  • Опубликовано: 22 апр 2021
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    If we read the book the Will to Power, which is really a compilation of notes, released after Nietzsche’s death, and compiled by his sister, a different picture of the Eternal Recurrence comes to light. We see an attempt by Nietzsche to offer a kind of materialist framework in which the Eternal Recurrence is not merely a thought-experiment, but an actual state of affairs.
    The problem is, that this compilation of notes is not generally viewed as a canonical work by Nietzsche. That is to say, scholars disagree on whether or not the ideas in this work truly represent Nietzsche’s own views. There is considerable debate as to the influence of his sister in the compilation of these notes. Did she make changes? Did she make things up? Did she add a word or sentence here and there? For the purposes of this video, we will not concern ourselves with these questions, but as we go on, it’s important to keep this in mind.
    The entire final chapter of The Will to Power is devoted to the Eternal Recurrence. 14 notes in total deal with the subject. They present a radically different picture of the Eternal Recurrence than we saw in Nietzsche’s earlier writings.
    We see how the concept of the Eternal Recurrence has become more than a thought experiment, as it was first formulated in The Joyful Science and Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
    If we take this conception of the universe as a fact, it follows that the universe was not created, but that it has always existed. It implies time is not linear, but cyclical.
    The cyclical nature of time is found in other systems of thought, notably in Eastern religion, but also in Norse mythology and Greek philosophy - notably with the Pythagoreans. In fact, the conception of time as linear has only really been found in one religion: the Judeo-Christian one which has since come to dominate Western thought.
    Because of this, Nietzsche finds with his new conception of the Eternal Recurrence another breaking point with Christian values. By asserting the cyclical nature of time as an actual reality instead of a thought experiment, he can deliver another blow to the Christian worldview, which fits into his greater project of bringing about a transvaluation of values.
    The point is that Nietzsche has found a physical basis, not just a theoretical or moral basis, to assign a positive value to the material world.
    If everything repeats itself and comes back again for all eternity, then this present moment, this material world of ours, becomes of great importance. Every moment is eternal. Every single experience of your life is now part of the absolute, part of a perpetual cycle.
    Our life is not just “a lightning flash between two eternities”, as Schopenhauer puts it, but an everlasting light.
    This is the most radical formulation of a life-affirming philosophy. By promoting the Eternal Recurrence from a theoretical thought-experiment to an actual, physical reality, Nietzsche seeks to affirm life in a very true and real sense. The Eternal Recurrence becomes a more serious matter. It’s the difference between living your life as if something was true, versus living your life knowing something is true.

Комментарии • 128

  • @Eternalised
    @Eternalised 3 года назад +81

    Marvelous. Really enjoyed this collaboration! :)

    • @WeltgeistYT
      @WeltgeistYT  3 года назад +13

      Likewise!

    • @satnamo
      @satnamo 3 года назад +5

      Love is a friendship inspires by beauty and truth,
      And sustains by loving kindness.
      Das rule of friendship means that
      There must be a mutual understanding between them;
      Each supplying what de other lacks
      And trying to benefit each other-
      Always using sincere and friendly words.
      Therefore,
      Das expression of love must be kind and gentle,
      Not some diamonds in das sky.
      Have I ever seen a real congfu master fall from das sky ?

  • @dn8601
    @dn8601 3 года назад +46

    On transcendence and Hinterwelt: You mentioned buddhism. It's actually quite interesting to look at the points where Nietzsche and buddhism, especially eastern chan/zen buddhis intersect. I'd actually say buddhism can be very anti-hinterwelt. Some mahayana buddhists could even say that samsara and nirvana describe the same thing, with the difference stemming from the difference between a non enlightened and an enlightened mind, that every single moment/event is interdependent on everything else and the absolute can be found in it and that the enlightened person leaves all non-concrete conceptions behind and joyfully soaks up every instance, full of worldly acceptance. In zen buddhism the most spiritual and informative practice is to simply exist and take notice of it (basically zazen). Idk what's more worldly than that.

    • @NoZAutonomy
      @NoZAutonomy 2 года назад

      Schopenhauer was Nietzsche's teacher and biggest influence. Schopy himself had a soft spot for Buddhism and asceticism which. Breadcrumbs of these ideas can be spotted in Nietzsche's thought as well

    • @obvi890
      @obvi890 Год назад +1

      Fantastic post, Dn. Articulated exactly what I was thinking.

  • @TheLivingPhilosophy
    @TheLivingPhilosophy 3 года назад +20

    Awesome to see yours and Eternalised complementary takes on the subject great stuff! I've always found the difference between linear and cyclical mythologies to be quite interesting because of the downstream effects. The story that comes to mind is of when Alexander the Great first arrived in India and there was a gymnosophist (naked wise man) meditating on a rock and to each the other was absurd. The gymnosophist said that Alexander could reach the peak of the mountain only to find that there were hundreds of flags there before him. How much of our own prepossession with progress and the actual attainment of material progress caused by this linear view of time. I think the linear mythology of time lends itself to material progress while the cyclical lends itself to spiritual progress. And that makes what Nietzsche is doing with the Eternal Recurrence just fascinating because where does that fit into this model? Anyway just a thought that came to mind great video!

  • @caseh4235
    @caseh4235 3 года назад +20

    Two of my favourite philosophy explanation channels collaborating? Man I am lucky

  • @artemaizcacao
    @artemaizcacao Год назад +5

    Once I drew a design about the complementarity of opposites, some 6 or 7 years ago, and I babtized my art as eternal coming back....years later I had a NDE (near death experience) and the godlike person or being that I saw told me, hei, this is all necesary, all this lifes, expresions, experiences, shape worlds, Solar sistems, galaxys, and as well as in a microcosmic fractal side, we are all coming once again and again to this human experience, everyone is necesary....vielen dank for the video and greetings from tropical Costa Rica, Tschüss-Pura vida

  • @progers147
    @progers147 2 года назад +7

    Please note at the start of the formulation in the Will to Power, Nietzsche writes “if” the world can be thought of as measurable etc. In other words, Nietzsche only claimed it would be true under those assumption, which he did not agree with, as we know from elsewhere.

  • @lilatolouian
    @lilatolouian 2 года назад +4

    Has anyone ever told you what a soothingly clear and nice voice you have? I feel like I could listen for hours!

  • @nonserviam751
    @nonserviam751 3 года назад +4

    It was weird, when first you uploaded this I had just the night before been reading on this, from the Will to Power. I was reluctant to watch then because I wasn't in the mood to think about it.
    But it keeps coming up; keeps recurring.

  • @InspirationFromThePast
    @InspirationFromThePast 3 года назад +11

    It does, make sense for sure, snake eats it tale for sure, and circle of life just keeps repeating itself. Great collab guys, well done.

  • @frankchilds9848
    @frankchilds9848 3 года назад +28

    This is Great 👍 This is where Nietsche touched Mahayna Buddhist thought. In brief, one comes to see that this very moment, no matter how vain is eternity itself. This is a logic beyond thinking. So be it. The power to keep living comes from this.

    • @WeltgeistYT
      @WeltgeistYT  3 года назад

      Interesting comment as always Frank

  • @RtaniDean
    @RtaniDean 11 месяцев назад +2

    Interestingly, “14 notes” seem Shakespearean in the continuity of Sonnets, 14 line poems! Kinda cool how elements seem to resonate with each other, such as you even mention Shakespeare. You have a deep inner-awareness in all these ideals / ideas as presented. Your channel is truly intriguing and this being is grateful to you and all who contribute and comment. Thank you. Dean

  • @michaelp.4890
    @michaelp.4890 3 года назад +4

    This is a very well put video, congratulations. I'd love to see some Aristotle in this channel.

  • @johnny_veritas
    @johnny_veritas 2 года назад +11

    I'm tired of watching this video an infinite number of times yet counting only one view. Give this man infinite ad revenue. lol

  • @sethmichaels.3853
    @sethmichaels.3853 2 года назад +25

    Well I'm believer in the eternal recurrence

    • @James-ll3jb
      @James-ll3jb 8 месяцев назад +4

      Me too

    • @anaconda470
      @anaconda470 7 месяцев назад +3

      Me also!

    • @Pluralofvinylisvinyls
      @Pluralofvinylisvinyls 5 месяцев назад +4

      You should delete your comment just to change things up this time around

    • @Omniscientia0
      @Omniscientia0 2 месяца назад +1

      We wouldn't know unless we become a type 5 civilization

  • @VVeltanschauung187
    @VVeltanschauung187 3 года назад +8

    A heavy burden we must all carry

  • @ahadanemozda
    @ahadanemozda 2 года назад +2

    Keep doing this. Your contribution is Huge to me :)

  • @sigvardbjorkman
    @sigvardbjorkman 2 года назад +6

    This makes me think of the hammer of Thor that symbilizes not just the heartbeat but as such the life force itself. Given that the same people that believed in Thor also believed in circular time rather than abrahamic linear time I think it is a quite interesting parallell if he ever had it in mind.

  • @ryokan9120
    @ryokan9120 Год назад +4

    I'm guessing the only way to determine if Nietzsche changed his mind about eternal recurrence is to ascertain the exact dates of those aphorisms 1053-1067.
    1888 was the most productive year for Nietzsche with regard to his works that were intended for publication just before his mental breakdown at the beginning of 1889. It's worth noting that none of those works indicate that Nietzsche had changed his mind about eternal recurrence. If it could be demonstrated that the aphorisms 1053-1067 from the eternal recurrence chapter from The Will to Power were composed before 1888, then that would suggest that those aphorisms are nothing more than thought experiments, especially in light of the fact that Nietzsche strongly rejected metaphysics. Also in Ecce Homo, Nietzsche indicates that Thus Spoke Zarathustra contains his entire philosophy and all subsequent works are elaborations of that book even if he says things very differently.
    I would be really interested if anybody could demonstrate if Nietzsche really had changed his mind.

    • @44yyBBaakk
      @44yyBBaakk Год назад +2

      great informative reply, which should be considered in every video on this topic. I have not seen any evidence that he ever changed his mind on that.

    • @ryokan9120
      @ryokan9120 Год назад +1

      @@44yyBBaakk Yes, I agree. Unfortunately, I can't find any information regarding the dates when aphorisms 1053-1067 from his unpublished notebooks were written. If they were written before 1888, then I think we can speculate that Nietzsche probably had not changed his mind.

  • @mingmiao364
    @mingmiao364 3 года назад +11

    I think the notion of eternal recurrence also makes sense from a Schopenhauerian perspective. Since the will, the thing-in-itself, is eternal and unchangeable, it then follows that its manifestations, regardless of how innumerable and diverse they can be, must reoccur over and over again. Schopenhauer also said we can think of the everyday world as embodied music. Eternal recurrence, or the circular nature of history, is akin to a musical melody repeating itself.

  • @abogadocarlosmorthera
    @abogadocarlosmorthera Год назад +1

    GREAT! Again, many thanks & greetings from México!

  • @Gazz1Media
    @Gazz1Media 3 месяца назад

    I say yay, embrace life, fill it with joy of uttermost rapture, embrace it all, fill thy psyche with art and poetry, laughter, delicious languour and breath taking tenderness, watch the dead poet society, truly sieze the day, walk and breath fresh air, share a drink and a joke with friends, if you have none; make some, turn stagnant bodies and vehicles into warm physical motion, spread thy wings and fly, see the bright glorious skies, behold the true will, and gaze in awe at the beauty of nature in all of its splendour and glory, embrace the temporary pain and enjoy the unspeakable pleasure of all of this existence. All shadows pass and are done, but there is that which remains. Live free, brothers, and rejoice.
    A toast to life, to beauty, to liberty, to happiness, and above all else; to Love. ❤

  • @Over-Boy42
    @Over-Boy42 Месяц назад

    Sometimes, I get a feeling of Deja vu, in which what is in front of me now is also behind me, and in front of me....

  • @morganlake41632
    @morganlake41632 Год назад +1

    As I struggle to understand the undeniable synchronicities - as reported in my autobiography - can anyone help me understand how Jung's externalization explanation works with Neitzche's Eternal Recurrence?

  • @erisstewart4236
    @erisstewart4236 3 года назад +1

    A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Great video.

  • @parveenkumar-qm7tz
    @parveenkumar-qm7tz 3 года назад +1

    Can you explain "ON The SOUL" by Aristotle. This is one of the best philosophy explanation channel .

  • @lalsenarath
    @lalsenarath 3 года назад +4

    Internal recurrence assumes time as an independent quality of the world. Also assumes the quantity of infinity. It cannot be said that such is something external to human brain. These qualities are a large part brain, and small part imparical world.

  • @sigvardbjorkman
    @sigvardbjorkman 2 года назад +2

    The greatest video on youtube

  • @shengcer
    @shengcer 2 года назад +2

    This last interpretation of eternal recurrence from will to power really undermines Nietzsche’s powerful wisdom. It is a shallow thought in that random ordering would result in something meaningful and repeatedly endlessly. It runs against the 2nd law of thermodynamics. I tend to believe Nietzsche was reluctant to publish these aporphisms because they were not really representative to his philosophies, but his sister did anyway.

    • @Eumanel12
      @Eumanel12 Месяц назад

      A sudden reduction in entropy is highly unlikely but not impossible, given infinite time. Many modern cosmological models are based on this notion.

  • @darkkuk920
    @darkkuk920 3 года назад +2

    Very good videos !

  • @dipkhatiwada836
    @dipkhatiwada836 Год назад +4

    I think eternal recurrence is true . I had a similar experience where i had deja vu that lasted for hours , and had prolonged episodes of deja vu for months . Although i would never be able to prove this , because i can't explain this how something like that could happen without a empirical evidence to provide for

  • @lightyagami2997
    @lightyagami2997 3 года назад +2

    Please explain all the books written by Nietzsche

  • @olivergems3128
    @olivergems3128 Год назад +2

    It is a fact, birth and death of existence proves it. Waves on water, Your breathing, the seasons etc..

  • @SenAyan24
    @SenAyan24 Год назад

    Great video keep it up...😊😊👍👍

  • @kennethroark917
    @kennethroark917 10 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you ❤️🙏

  • @rociorenga
    @rociorenga 2 года назад +1

    Hola. Podrías poner subtítulos en español por favor? Muchas gracias. Saludos desde Chile

  • @davekiss2412
    @davekiss2412 3 года назад +2

    I suppose the infinite monkeys are the universe chugging away and my existence is the Shakespeare work. Eventually, given eternity it will 'find' the arrangement of matter that defines my identity. There is no subjective gap for the vast amounts of history I am not part of because I am not either not born yet or I'm dead already. Without a gap, your next starting point occurs suddenly with your birth whenever the universe 'gets' there again Is this what he's getting at here? It reminds me of the idea of generic subjective continuity.

  • @a.wenger3964
    @a.wenger3964 3 года назад +17

    "People like us who believe in physics know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." -Albert Einstein
    If time is merely an inescapable illusion for us, then we may as well take the view of it which is most life-affirming and life-invigorating.

    • @KCUFyoufordoxingme
      @KCUFyoufordoxingme 2 года назад

      Quantum sorcery has never provenly reversed any complex entropy. Even after an infinite amount of time, a nebula sized cloud of hydrogen has never patterned itself into a self organizing electric sentience, an apple had never turned into a time machine, a planet has never teleported whole into another galaxy. There are very likely underlying impossiblities of orders of things occuring we just don't full realize that no amount of time will change. Your shoe won't get up in the middle of the night and do your homework for you, ever. Never, ever. Some impossiblities need only happen once to always exist, and they simply don't. No dog is giving birth to a time traveling already pregnant t-rex tomorrow through natural means, or they would be every where.

  • @havadatequila
    @havadatequila 2 года назад

    Was Nietzsche's insanity syphilis or something else that could have been addressed psychoanalytically?

  • @Aurjelling
    @Aurjelling Год назад +2

    It is so mind-blowing thinking about the universe not having an actual beginning, only that it has always existed. But if it had a beginning, then the nothingness before that must have had a beginning too, and the beginnings of beginnings.... See the problem here?

    • @OneGaurdian
      @OneGaurdian Год назад

      To quote the Doctor:
      It's all a big ball of wobbly wobbly timey whiney stuff.

  • @satnamo
    @satnamo 3 года назад +5

    Was that life?
    I want to say to death.
    Well then!
    Once more,
    My friend!
    That is a simple test for
    Nietzsche Eternal Recurrence hypothesis.

  • @BrianStanleyEsq
    @BrianStanleyEsq Год назад

    But in fact finiteness is inherent in the nature of time as a dimension of the physical cosmos, as finiteness is inherent in the nature of energy-matter as the determinant of the spatial dimensions of the physical cosmos. Time is ultimately measurable only as the running down of a clock which must eventually run down entirely, and thus cease running down. Energy-matter is discernible only as against its absence, a void which is circumscribed by the finiteness of time. Only ideation divorced from physical limitation can posit the abstractly infinite. An hypothesized infinite cycle of repetition is not an hypothesis of infinity, because a cycle implies a finite repeatable unit and if there is true repetition no repetition can be distinguished from another, which is to say that there is actually only one repetition. One "repetition" of a finite unit is simply one finite unit.

  • @kennethferland5579
    @kennethferland5579 Год назад +1

    Not only is Nietzsches sister a MAJOR problem, one must also consider his potentially deterierating mental state prior to his final breakdown. With both issues at play its no wonder folks don't consider it canonical. Also to the degree that Nietzsche is trying to establish the reality of recurrance he dosn't produce any compelling argument that can't be found in a much better form in other philisophical traditions or metaphysical thought, so it's basically a dud. One can certainly belive in eternal recurance, but doing so because Nietzsche said so is not a good reason, rather it is from other observations and thought experiments that one should do so.

  • @jhunt5578
    @jhunt5578 3 года назад +3

    If reality is infinite, which could be the case, then this is true.

  • @nenirouvelliv
    @nenirouvelliv 8 месяцев назад +1

    In an cosmologically relativistic sense this is true, as all events so are our lives are fixed within the space-time. Of course the "return" part is more questionable since at least far as we know no information or memories of our lives is being relayed to the moment of our birth, it's more like we are trapped in amber from the perspective of an observer existing beyond time as we humans experience it. But in an infinite universe that Nietzsche among others propose there will unavoidably be worlds exactly like ours and some that are almost like ours. Even if the Universe isn't really mathematically infinite, from a human point of view it practically is, given that the small sliver of observable Universe (estimated to be only ~5% of the whole Universe) already has 2 trillion galaxies, each of which has hundreds of billions of stars.

    • @Opposite271
      @Opposite271 4 месяца назад

      I would be more cautious about relativity.
      Besides the fact that relativity is in contradiction with quantum theory, I would not take such extremely theoretical constructs like spacetime at face value.
      To me it appears to be equivalent to the Cartesian grid. Certainly, it is useful for calculations but nobody would suggest with sincerity that space has a grid-like structure.

    • @nenirouvelliv
      @nenirouvelliv 4 месяца назад

      @@Opposite271 It's been pretty much proven with most experiments though. Of course relativity or space-time isn't the end of the story, at least to those who study TOEs. I think most physicist actually agree that space-time is discrete rather than continuous. That doesn't mean it's actually grid-like, it just means a grid can be in some occasions a handy tool of abstraction. But I would say on certain galactic scales, relativity holds true - but we are very far for an all encompassing cosmological model. I don't have religious loyalty to Nietzsche anymore than I have for Einstein, so I' wouldn't consider him the last word on cosmology or quantum physics. He is a great critic of Western Philosophy though.

    • @Opposite271
      @Opposite271 4 месяца назад

      @@nenirouvelliv
      I mean, how do you prove scientific realism with experiments? There are alternative interpretations like neo-lorentzianism, and the fact that it is in contradiction with quantum theory shows, that it is at best incomplete and at worst, completely mistaken.
      I did compare space-time to the Cartesian grid because they are both useful fictions. A Cartesian grid realist might argue that the reality of the grid has been proven by observation because the addition of the three force vectors gives us a accurate prediction for how forces combine into one total force. But I would disagree, I do not believe for one second that because of vector-addition, that space has a grid-like structure.
      And I would also call the idea into question, that time is like space just because it is useful for some predictions.

  • @ignoranceremoved3450
    @ignoranceremoved3450 3 года назад +1

    How does the concept of eternal recurrence justify death?

    • @jayjohnson1508
      @jayjohnson1508 8 месяцев назад +2

      I suppose if you view death as a restructuring of energy, as energy can neither be created or destroyed. For example when you or I pass our energy will likely pass into the soil, into the bodies of worms, plants etc. If the universe is infinite than with enough restructuring of this energy we will take on the same form as we have now.

  • @SenEmChannel
    @SenEmChannel 4 месяца назад +1

    How internal replay can happened at all when universe go to heat dead.

    • @Jana-se4kv
      @Jana-se4kv 27 дней назад

      Good question. Science doesn't know for sure, there are many theories.
      But since energy can't be destroyed or created, the energy must still be there even after the heat death of the universe.
      Given enough time, all the energy could just come together and explode into a new big bang.

    • @SenEmChannel
      @SenEmChannel 26 дней назад

      @@Jana-se4kv sound weird enough

    • @JoaoLucas________
      @JoaoLucas________ 21 день назад

      Não existe morte na existência, apenas continuações da vontade, seja aqui, seja em outro mundo, seja no que sobrou aqui.

  • @marianadourado6498
    @marianadourado6498 3 года назад

    amazing

  • @yepyep266
    @yepyep266 Год назад

    This is where I totally disagree. If time is infinite and reoccurring doesn’t that mean that the game of power will always at some points be evened out? Then any action is not a forward movement anymore unless it is looked purely from the individual. Instead a finite time would give importance to acts of creation as it would elevate the state of not just the individual but also the whole humanity as the future would not be determined.

  • @edwardlawrence5666
    @edwardlawrence5666 2 года назад

    Think Parmenides not Pythagoras! Many physicists think that our Universe will keep expanding until it evaporates. Linear tine and circular time are both metaphysical theories. Take your pick! But like all metaphysics it means very little. Nietzsche’s concept of putting living first (over ascetic ideals) is the more workable idea for the Ubermensch and schmucks as well.

  • @dshudson
    @dshudson 2 года назад +2

    Leave it to the Joe Rogan show to have me learning Friedrich Nietzsche

  • @saynotoextremism7026
    @saynotoextremism7026 Год назад

    Brothers do know that their sisters can will and do change the material of their work.

  • @mitchellmiles8614
    @mitchellmiles8614 Год назад +1

    Eternal recurrence is karmic cycles. Does anyone agree?

  • @lastunctives2095
    @lastunctives2095 2 года назад +1

    Quantum mechanics is far more bizarre as a theory than anything in an occult magical ritual . But what is the criteria for knowing anything ? Very little in the meta sense . There is no Zen logos of it as a certain Zen poet said - merely the unknowable and unnameable mystification of the irrational eternal . Nietzsche the mystic the sage is more interesting than Nietzsche the anti philosopher his best is like those koans of Zen with the eternal -he waves goodbye or is it hello ? So it goes . Intention manifestation the willing to presence of a vast plenitude of God's and Demons - if they do not serve - bin them fast . This sense that we are merely avatars of their will . If anything works it must be the law of Karma but it has no meaning in it's self . I prefer the Tarot these days but it's back to everyday tabulations of the word the chewing gum which fades flickers with imminence back to the theory or evasion of yes or no . A man substituted numbers for words the Table was 1 the chair was 2 ect he sat there all day counting in that Borges story . Futility is also infinity in the eternal . Words only ? Or Magic ? Millions of copies of the self somewhere is at least 1 of them not alone ? Mostly all of the permutations are lost in the finite ? They do not have the blessing . Don't fancy my chances but still breathing in and out . Not bad considering quite cheerful some times . It's a road best travelled alone - at least for myself .

  • @oshozen5730
    @oshozen5730 2 года назад +1

    I have watched this video an infinite number of times so it has infinite number of views. Please tell RUclips to put infinite on number of views.

  • @omegacardboard5834
    @omegacardboard5834 2 года назад

    Hmmm, interestingly this eternal recurrence seems to fit with the view that heaven and hell are states of mind, therefore if you have the the state of mind of hell and you eternally recur then you are effectively eternally in hell, like it is said. Interesting

  • @KCUFyoufordoxingme
    @KCUFyoufordoxingme 2 года назад +1

    You can't require randomness be both be real and unreal for something to be true. Also, entirely deterministic and entirely not. That is just cherry picking.

  • @MommysGoodPuppy
    @MommysGoodPuppy 2 года назад +1

    infinity as god

  • @MrJamesdryable
    @MrJamesdryable 3 года назад +1

    Have they read Shakespeare?

  • @CaptainSofa
    @CaptainSofa 3 года назад

    Honestly, have you found the effort to read and understand Nietzsche to be worth it? If so, in what way? Reading and understanding him is a monumental task. How do I know it will be worth it?

    • @charliestubbs6151
      @charliestubbs6151 2 года назад

      Sometimes, madness comes with the side effect of remarkable clarity and foresight, and there is perhaps no better example than Nietzsche. Also, certain books of his are relatively easy to grasp, particularly the ones focused on moral structures, like The Genealogy of Morals and the Antichrist. There isn't a single chapter in either of those books that you won't be able to understand.

  • @jeffsmith1798
    @jeffsmith1798 10 месяцев назад

    Good video. But it seems to me that the conclusion Nietzsche makes is entirely counterintuitive. With the eternal return of The Gay Science, life affirmation is still possible as the eternal return is introduced there as a kind of thought experiment. With the eternal return of The Will to Power, where the eternal return is ‘real’ and not just conceptual, what is left of the will? It’s the same effective response as Odysseus in his rejection of immortality. Human motivation doesn’t respond well to eternal anything not to mention a return.

  • @mr.knowbody1988
    @mr.knowbody1988 2 года назад

    Murphy’s Law 🖖

  • @bont1059
    @bont1059 8 месяцев назад

    !!

  • @edbarrier918
    @edbarrier918 7 месяцев назад

    Nietzsche's sister deserves no serious consideration.

  • @torytat4550
    @torytat4550 2 года назад +3

    It's difficult to stomach the mental exercise of being an inmate sentenced to life in jail and desire to accept any such eternal recurrence. No?

    • @WeltgeistYT
      @WeltgeistYT  2 года назад +1

      The difficulty is the point!

    • @MommysGoodPuppy
      @MommysGoodPuppy 2 года назад

      When the perspective is infinite in time and possibility everything becomes infinitely long and meaningful but also infinitely short and meaningless. You get to pick the difficulty

  • @jemford3281
    @jemford3281 2 года назад

    if you apply a dharmic or taoist lens (or even some mystical streams of the abrahamic tradition) this "eternal occurrence" resembles very much their conception of god, wherein god is the constancy of change

  • @gabrielpadilla7839
    @gabrielpadilla7839 Год назад

    yo! NIETZSCHE! ctmu much?

  • @jamilkhan715
    @jamilkhan715 2 года назад +2

    Failed to understand. Fault is entirely mine. We have been kept uneducated by the imperialism.

  • @Cigaretteaf
    @Cigaretteaf 2 года назад +2

    Can someone confirm it’s only a philosophical theory not supported by science or as a possible absolute truth? Only the idea it can be true makes me have panic attacks

    • @wabechmann
      @wabechmann 2 года назад

      Same, lol

    • @omegacardboard5834
      @omegacardboard5834 2 года назад +2

      I hate to break it to you but it’s not just philosophical it’s a scientific possibility too, but only a possibility, not a certainty

    • @MohaMmed-nc2yt
      @MohaMmed-nc2yt Год назад

      @@omegacardboard5834how it could be a scientific possibility?

    • @omegacardboard5834
      @omegacardboard5834 Год назад

      @@MohaMmed-nc2yt There are theories that the universe expands and then collapses again to a point and then another big bang happens. If everything is deterministic then it’s possible that the exact same universe is created every time. Even if probabilistic then if the process goes on forever the chance of you being created again in the exact same conditions is 100%.

    • @Jana-se4kv
      @Jana-se4kv 27 дней назад +1

      Fascinating,
      the idea that life and even the universe is finite depresses me immensely. Eternal recurrence makes me happy and calm.
      We're probably both far off and something else entirely is true that no human could possibly fathom because our human mind is just trapped in it's own illusions created by emotional states. So what difference does it make, really.

  • @alexafarley5835
    @alexafarley5835 2 года назад

    😂

  • @Karch.Dah-Veed
    @Karch.Dah-Veed 2 года назад

    Essentially a repackaging of Ecclesiastes.

    • @charliestubbs6151
      @charliestubbs6151 2 года назад +1

      Hardly at all, as Solomon and all Hebrews believed the universe has a stark beginning and end. It's more of a repackaging of the eastern concept of Samsara, which is the Wheel of life.

    • @Karch.Dah-Veed
      @Karch.Dah-Veed 2 года назад

      @@charliestubbs6151 Reas Ecclesiastes in Isolation - without carrying with it your concepts of Western cosmology. In the East, the wheel of life and Samsara included some progression or regression, not an exact repeat. A pig reincarnates as a gnat, and a lizard, and a person, and a God, etc. Not Pig, Pig, Pig, Pig....

    • @charliestubbs6151
      @charliestubbs6151 2 года назад

      @@Karch.Dah-Veed That's true. I guess Samsara is a bit different. However, I already DO read Ecclesiastes for what it is... The Hebrews were the among first people to conceive of a "Final judgement," which implies that the universe has an end. Also, they mostly believed that the grave was the final destination, hence the language surrounding death in the OT: "he rested with his fathers." Also, I'm thinking of something from Ecclesiastes now: "There is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in the grave, to which you are going." Does that sound like the sentiment of a man who believes his life will repeat indefinitely?

  • @shadowx8405
    @shadowx8405 2 года назад +5

    It's real.
    And it sucks.

    • @katedawson6654
      @katedawson6654 2 года назад +1

      The younger you might reliize it the better

    • @ixisinvestigator6009
      @ixisinvestigator6009 Год назад

      are you sure it's real?

    • @shadowx8405
      @shadowx8405 Год назад +1

      @@ixisinvestigator6009 Yep. Nothing that I can prove, but I occasionally get these memory flashes. It's like deja vu, on crack. I've experienced it my whole life. Reality is, basically, what Nietzsche's theory suggests.
      Look into physics. Seriously. Specifically, you should read up on Einsteins general theory of relativity, special theory of relativity, conservation of energy in both closed and isolated systems versus open, the "double slit" experiment, particle physics and the quantum (and why that are a huge problem for what is currently the accepted ideas about the Universe and it's beginning), the Holographic Universe hypothesis, Planck length and how that relates to a finite universe, and MOST IMPORTANTLY you need to read up and fully grasp the speed of light and what EXACTLY is EVERYTHING made of, which despite what we once thought, is actually energy. Matter is an illusion caused by electrons reporting one another, which gives us the sensation that there is SOLID MATTER, and THAT leads you into the next paragraph.
      You want to know the real reason why nothing why nothing can travel faster than light? It's because nothing can travel faster than itself. Everything is, essential, MADE OF LIGHT. So, despite what we've been told, "matter" is an illusion. That being the case, then we should be able to figure out a way to travel faster than light.
      See, currently, physics tells us that nothing compared of matter can travel faster than light. But, of at it's core, matter is, essentially, an illusion, then "nothing can travel faster than light" (which is true) only makes sense if EVERYTHING is light. Can you run faster than yourself? LOL... of course not. That would be absurd.
      Finally, physics does us that, not only if it possible for THE FUTURE to effect THE PAST (you read that right), it's almost certainly true.
      And the only logical way that all of these concepts and theories about reality, as we experience it (physics also showed us that that perception is B.S.) is of Eternal Recurrence is real.
      Since everything happens because of things that acted upon it (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; and ANYTHING at rest will remain at rest, until it's acted upon by an outside force, then then the Universe could never have begun, because before it existed, there would have been nothing to bring it into existence, because anything that could act upon it must exist within the Universe, which is impossible until the Universe exists.
      There are physicists who believe the Universe has always been here. Fine. But you've still got the same problem. If the Universe was just chilling, way back in its singularity (or close to it) days, then it could never have begun expanding, because everything[ that existed would be within that singularity, which means nothing could have existed to act upon the Universe back then, and cause the expansion and big bang.
      Yet, here we are.
      The Universe is deterministic. Most, not ALL, think otherwise. I've gone on long enough, but trust me, they're wrong. They're misinterpreting the data in experiments like "the double slit" experiment, leading them to the wrong conclusions.
      Eternal Recurrence must be real. Nothing else can explain all of the problems with all of the physics concepts and theories I've rambled on about.

    • @ixisinvestigator6009
      @ixisinvestigator6009 Год назад

      @@shadowx8405 woowww thank you very much ! but that is so scary to repeat the same life over and over again ! i am horrified. some still says that law of matters make it impossible to be remaded and it violate the law of thermodynamic. how can we prove that the universe repeat itself as a movie. how does this give us an answer us on why the universe exist?

    • @ixisinvestigator6009
      @ixisinvestigator6009 Год назад

      @@shadowx8405 déja vue can also be explained with the fact that you're brain interpret the scene after your eyes already did. i never had this personnaly. and if the eternal recurrence is real. how come they never had any future predicator?

  • @gazrater1820
    @gazrater1820 3 года назад +1

    Great collaboration...great to see 1067 took centre stages as a middle axiom in my humble opinion. Succinct assessment, thank you for taking the time a great help and a great style as in aphorism 290 of The Joyful Wisdom 🏔👌