Rob Henderson did not debunk the divorce rate... Hafeez is just being 'passionate' with no stats, citations , or credible references... stances in the video were not backed up by articles or credible resources to combat the notion that divorce is increasing. To be fair there are very few credible resources proving the divorce rate is high. In the end...acknowledge the risks fellow brethren, pick a good woman, and lastly we need more nuclear families we will always be better in unity regardless of what the stats say 🙏🏿.
It would be interesting to see if the divorce rate includes those permanently separated. Divorce is expensive for most. So people live separate lives but never put the paper work through. For this reason I believe the failed marriage rate (spouses no longer live together and live separate lives) is much HIGHER than 50%.
working retail and dealing with hundreds of regulars on a daily basis gives me the notion that 50-70% rate is the reality we face. Ofc this is anecdotal but still. We are talking about 400-500 people a day and the rates of divorce i hear or about to be or older men just in general saying avoid marriage at all costs is very very high. 80%+ of older men say avoid marriage like the plague.
THANK YOU!!!! I'm legally separated since 2020 but not divorced so I'm included in thr married statistic. I know of 4 men personally in that where the women is holding up thr ppwk from being officially divorced.
They have looked at separate couples a few times and it’s about 8-10% of couples. The modern divorce rate is about 40%. However, if you include the separated couples you are really looking at 50%
Nah he just knows that stat is used to terrify men from commitment, especially marriage. These manosphere channels profit off your fear of relationship every day. Stop choosing fear of failure over trying
@Elijah Perry Go to a divorce court room for a week and tell us about you experience. Smart men learn for their own mistakes, wise men learn from other's peoples mistakes.
In this country we have prioritized work, money, power, physical gratification, status and the superficial things of life like,character, morals, mutual respect, positive relationship(s) are not taught and/ or rewarded!
@@aidan9656 one group encourages men to become their best self and the other tells men theres no hope. those are opposite messages. those like you involved in the matriarchy will gladly label any self improvement as a negative because it decreases your power. big goverment needs broken men to expand its influence and who votes to expand government?
@@Moshealthtips Redpill encourages men to become their best self according to who? Living a life of hedonism and empty hookups is in no way any man’s best self. And nobody has a problem with men bettering themselves - the issue is focusing and directing your energy onto things that aren’t actually improving the things that led the brokenness in a lot of men to begin with but rather pursuing the same shallow things in a different form.
@@aidan9656 . First of all youre making a different argument than your original false incel point. (getting rich and getting the best women aren’t incel pill) There are various viewpoints in the redpill community and your painting with a broad brush as expected. There are many anti marriage and some that push marriage and the middle. The over arching message is still self improvement. Some in the space don’t attach morality to it but others do. The best way is to talk about reality and approach self improvement absent fornication and idolatry.
What benefit does a legal and financial contract between the man, women and state bring to a relationship that means the risk of losing minimum 50% of your assets is worth it?
Very insightful podcast. Definitely had my interest and I enjoyed the message. Glad to see Hafeez out here promoting a healthy, positive, godly message.
Are the stats lying? Pew Research does say, “College-educated women have an almost eight-in-ten chance of still being married after two decades.” However, college-educated woman initiates 90% of the divorces when married. Therefore, the research shows that college-educated women have a greater chance at staying married because men do not divorce college-educated women. This might be, therefore, because of the money. College educated women are more likely to earn greater income which they could contribute to the family, but she is more likely to be discontented. Women were not created to earn income, or to sweat by their brows, but to stay home and raise the children (Genesis 3:16; 1 Tim. 2:15; Titus 2:5).
Divorce stats went down when co-habitation stats went up. Also, people are marrying at a much older age. Both these factors brought down the divorce percentages after no-fault divorce became the norm.
Wish your relationship the best. Thinking about divorce can be a self fulfilling prophecy, if your well put together and a good man the odds are in your favour.
When/where do they debunk the false divorce rate? 20 minutes in and so far they bring up the tiktok stuff and how some people assume people with a lot of followers are credible over Doctors...which is valid.
1:10:10 I dont think guest agrees entirely with Hafeez here but I understand what hes doing. Men arent pushing for no unity or marriage they just want the laws to change because it benefits women to break marriages. Women who believe in the wage gap usually want women to be paid the same but dont consider the times women make more and why men are making more....Almost done but they didnt debunk the divorce rate just bring in information on how it may be declining not increasing which is a popular rhetoric in MGTOW or reality.
At 1:04:23 what are the studies you found why arent you sharing links to those resources so we can take a look as well. Commonground the more you make the less the divorce rate is and less you make, higher the divorce rate.
I get the citations and credible resources but 39% divorce rate...yet yall dont present an article at 51:40 so am I right to assume yall dont have credible resources?
57:00 a great point how some men use the stats to justify why they dont get married, however yall have yet to debunk the increase divorce rate using credible resources and citations. Yall just explained commonground on why and when the divorce rose...1980s due to no fault divorce and birth control.
I'm always interested in helping people recognize, appreciate, and realize the beauties of marriage. Love to hear this discussion. There seems to be a lot of poorly founded negativity around the subject of marriage lately. Love to see people highlight the methods to find success in marriage rather than treating it as the domain of fools.
@@traywaters1575 Here are the pros and cons based on my experience and observations. On the pro side: 1. Marriage provides an ideal foundation for producing and rearing children. I would argue that the most meaningful impact most men can have on the world is the reproduction of their values and worldview in their children. Children (raised well) are also great to have around as you grow old. 2. Marriage provides a stable, committed relationship which, in my experience, frees up TONS of mental real estate. Having a dedicated sounding board/emotional support/hangout buddy/sexual outlet is extremely convenient as it turns out. 3. Marriage loads you with responsibility, which in turn deepens purpose, which in turn makes you much more resilient to the ups and downs of life because your life is about more than just yourself. The added weight of responsibility for my wife and children has been a primary catalyst in my growth as a man. 4. (Bonus): If you are a follower of christianity (or another abrahamic religion) marriage gives you access to guilt free sex, which is a massive plus in my world. 🙂 On the con side: 1. Marriage loads you with responsibility. I gave the pro side of this earlier, but the flip side of this is that you are not free to operate as you would outside of a marriage. While I view learning to manage another person's needs and wellbeing as meaningful character growth, it is also very hard to master and (in marriage) will add difficulty to your life until you master it. 2. Marriage introduces new avenues for trouble to come into your life. Put simply, your spouse's problems become your own to at least some degree. 3. You open yourself up, and so are more vulnerable. As a man, letting a woman fully into your life gives her the ability to either build you or tear you down. If she chooses the latter, she can do enormous damage. I know that was long, but there are my thoughts.
@@jpdag05 this was such an amazing response. So much insight like this is never heard much because those who are happy tend to keep to themselves. I really appreciate this🙏🏾
@Joseph Page How does a marriage contract give you a foundation for child rearing as opposed to just a stable relationship with no government contract? I just can't understand the added value of the marriage contract. Please, enlighten me.
Maybe because "red pill" is mean, evil, fear, hate based, insecure, angry, condescending, gender fearing movement! Consistent winning about women but not spending time to improve themselves. Red pill is not solution oriented.
TRUE! No formal training on relationship! No teaching on eas tablishing values, morals, character! That is the big problem. Young people do want relationship, marriage advice but we in this country have placed it very low on the socialtial totem pole. As a result look at what we are experiencing in our country and in our society.
great video! with the atmosphere of social media at the moment, do you guys feel like you would ever welcome Andrew Tate onto your platform to converse? I know that might be a touchy question, Although I am curious.
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Rob Henderson did not debunk the divorce rate... Hafeez is just being 'passionate' with no stats, citations , or credible references... stances in the video were not backed up by articles or credible resources to combat the notion that divorce is increasing. To be fair there are very few credible resources proving the divorce rate is high. In the end...acknowledge the risks fellow brethren, pick a good woman, and lastly we need more nuclear families we will always be better in unity regardless of what the stats say 🙏🏿.
Thank God some one else notice this as well
He didn’t debunk it but he did add some important caveats such as college educated couples having far lower rates of divorce.
@@davidkes5380 yup. But the title was just clickbait. If anything a better title wouldve been why Divorce rates will decrease and who divorces less.
It would be interesting to see if the divorce rate includes those permanently separated.
Divorce is expensive for most. So people live separate lives but never put the paper work through.
For this reason I believe the failed marriage rate (spouses no longer live together and live separate lives) is much HIGHER than 50%.
working retail and dealing with hundreds of regulars on a daily basis gives me the notion that 50-70% rate is the reality we face. Ofc this is anecdotal but still. We are talking about 400-500 people a day and the rates of divorce i hear or about to be or older men just in general saying avoid marriage at all costs is very very high. 80%+ of older men say avoid marriage like the plague.
THANK YOU!!!! I'm legally separated since 2020 but not divorced so I'm included in thr married statistic. I know of 4 men personally in that where the women is holding up thr ppwk from being officially divorced.
They have looked at separate couples a few times and it’s about 8-10% of couples. The modern divorce rate is about 40%. However, if you include the separated couples you are really looking at 50%
Feel like Hafeez is terrified of divorce. Brother, if you’re reading this enjoy the benefits of being married
I dont think fearful is the right description of his passion towards marriage
Nah he just knows that stat is used to terrify men from commitment, especially marriage. These manosphere channels profit off your fear of relationship every day. Stop choosing fear of failure over trying
@@elijahperry3454 Well said brother.
@Elijah Perry Go to a divorce court room for a week and tell us about you experience.
Smart men learn for their own mistakes, wise men learn from other's peoples mistakes.
@@f.a.r.c1184 you speaking facts
Bro is desperate to justify his situation 🤣
He is affraid that one day he could end up like Will Smith or Johnny Depp 😁
Forreal, it's all copium, if you did even a little digging on red forums there's no positive argument to be made _for_ marriage for men.
I'm just here for the comments. Have a good one.
In this country we have prioritized work, money, power, physical gratification, status and the superficial things of life like,character, morals, mutual respect, positive relationship(s) are not taught and/ or rewarded!
Biology or culture, I think biology wins, cultures reflect biology
Don't conflate incel pill with red pill .
It really ain’t as different as y’all want it to be. Just a bunch of guys operating from a place of brokenness.
@@aidan9656 one group encourages men to become their best self and the other tells men theres no hope. those are opposite messages.
those like you involved in the matriarchy will gladly label any self improvement as a negative because it decreases your power.
big goverment needs broken men to expand its influence and who votes to expand government?
@@Moshealthtips Redpill encourages men to become their best self according to who? Living a life of hedonism and empty hookups is in no way any man’s best self. And nobody has a problem with men bettering themselves - the issue is focusing and directing your energy onto things that aren’t actually improving the things that led the brokenness in a lot of men to begin with but rather pursuing the same shallow things in a different form.
@@aidan9656 . First of all youre making a different argument than your original false incel point. (getting rich and getting the best women aren’t incel pill)
There are various viewpoints in the redpill community and your painting with a broad brush as expected.
There are many anti marriage and some that push marriage and the middle. The over arching message is still self improvement. Some in the space don’t attach morality to it but others do. The best way is to talk about reality and approach self improvement absent fornication and idolatry.
@@aidan9656 Wearing a flannel shirt and larping as a man does not make you one. Protestants are heathens who deserve divorce court.
Don’t forget the people in unhappy marriages 😊
This was refreshing!
What benefit does a legal and financial contract between the man, women and state bring to a relationship that means the risk of losing minimum 50% of your assets is worth it?
Very insightful podcast. Definitely had my interest and I enjoyed the message.
Glad to see Hafeez out here promoting a healthy, positive, godly message.
Gonna end up like Alan from Two And A Half Men if divorce happens
Are the stats lying?
Pew Research does say, “College-educated women have an almost eight-in-ten chance of still being married after two decades.” However, college-educated woman initiates 90% of the divorces when married. Therefore, the research shows that college-educated women have a greater chance at staying married because men do not divorce college-educated women. This might be, therefore, because of the money. College educated women are more likely to earn greater income which they could contribute to the family, but she is more likely to be discontented. Women were not created to earn income, or to sweat by their brows, but to stay home and raise the children (Genesis 3:16; 1 Tim. 2:15; Titus 2:5).
Divorce stats went down when co-habitation stats went up. Also, people are marrying at a much older age. Both these factors brought down the divorce percentages after no-fault divorce became the norm.
I'm not formally educated I hope my marriage doesn't end in divorce
It will if your wife is "formally" educated.
Wish your relationship the best. Thinking about divorce can be a self fulfilling prophecy, if your well put together and a good man the odds are in your favour.
When/where do they debunk the false divorce rate? 20 minutes in and so far they bring up the tiktok stuff and how some people assume people with a lot of followers are credible over Doctors...which is valid.
50:00 :)
@@Torshaa Appreciate it.
“1950 utopian society” …. FOR WHO ? 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
This was a great podcast. Fantastic points coming from both sides
1:10:10 I dont think guest agrees entirely with Hafeez here but I understand what hes doing. Men arent pushing for no unity or marriage they just want the laws to change because it benefits women to break marriages. Women who believe in the wage gap usually want women to be paid the same but dont consider the times women make more and why men are making more....Almost done but they didnt debunk the divorce rate just bring in information on how it may be declining not increasing which is a popular rhetoric in MGTOW or reality.
talks about divorce rate at 50:00
At 1:04:23 what are the studies you found why arent you sharing links to those resources so we can take a look as well. Commonground the more you make the less the divorce rate is and less you make, higher the divorce rate.
uh oh...🔥🛡
I get the citations and credible resources but 39% divorce rate...yet yall dont present an article at 51:40 so am I right to assume yall dont have credible resources?
57:00 a great point how some men use the stats to justify why they dont get married, however yall have yet to debunk the increase divorce rate using credible resources and citations. Yall just explained commonground on why and when the divorce rose...1980s due to no fault divorce and birth control.
1:00:10 wheres the link to Pastor Martins analysis of the divorce rate and why is he a credible secondary resource?
I'm always interested in helping people recognize, appreciate, and realize the beauties of marriage. Love to hear this discussion. There seems to be a lot of poorly founded negativity around the subject of marriage lately. Love to see people highlight the methods to find success in marriage rather than treating it as the domain of fools.
I am thinking about marriage. Could you tell me the pros and cons in your opinion of getting married? I like to hear what other people have to think.
@@traywaters1575 Here are the pros and cons based on my experience and observations.
On the pro side:
1. Marriage provides an ideal foundation for producing and rearing children. I would argue that the most meaningful impact most men can have on the world is the reproduction of their values and worldview in their children. Children (raised well) are also great to have around as you grow old.
2. Marriage provides a stable, committed relationship which, in my experience, frees up TONS of mental real estate. Having a dedicated sounding board/emotional support/hangout buddy/sexual outlet is extremely convenient as it turns out.
3. Marriage loads you with responsibility, which in turn deepens purpose, which in turn makes you much more resilient to the ups and downs of life because your life is about more than just yourself. The added weight of responsibility for my wife and children has been a primary catalyst in my growth as a man.
4. (Bonus): If you are a follower of christianity (or another abrahamic religion) marriage gives you access to guilt free sex, which is a massive plus in my world. 🙂
On the con side:
1. Marriage loads you with responsibility. I gave the pro side of this earlier, but the flip side of this is that you are not free to operate as you would outside of a marriage. While I view learning to manage another person's needs and wellbeing as meaningful character growth, it is also very hard to master and (in marriage) will add difficulty to your life until you master it.
2. Marriage introduces new avenues for trouble to come into your life. Put simply, your spouse's problems become your own to at least some degree.
3. You open yourself up, and so are more vulnerable. As a man, letting a woman fully into your life gives her the ability to either build you or tear you down. If she chooses the latter, she can do enormous damage.
I know that was long, but there are my thoughts.
@@jpdag05 this was such an amazing response. So much insight like this is never heard much because those who are happy tend to keep to themselves. I really appreciate this🙏🏾
@@traywaters1575 Thanks. Glad to be of help.
@Joseph Page How does a marriage contract give you a foundation for child rearing as opposed to just a stable relationship with no government contract? I just can't understand the added value of the marriage contract.
Please, enlighten me.
One episode where hafeez doesn't bring up jordan peterson. Doubtful to find a recent one where he doesn't, including this one.
🥷👀
Dude, why have you gone blue pill? 🤦🏽♂️
Hasn’t he always advocated for marriage?
Maybe because "red pill" is mean, evil, fear, hate based, insecure, angry, condescending, gender fearing movement! Consistent winning about women but not spending time to improve themselves. Red pill is not solution oriented.
TRUE! No formal training on relationship! No teaching on eas tablishing values, morals, character! That is the big problem. Young people do want relationship, marriage advice but we in this country have placed it very low on the socialtial totem pole. As a result look at what we are experiencing in our country and in our society.
bruh hes literally married
Bro I’ve been watching them for 2 years he’s always said marriage is good with the right woman
great video!
with the atmosphere of social media at the moment, do you guys feel like you would ever welcome Andrew Tate onto your platform to converse? I know that might be a touchy question, Although I am curious.