Why Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong on Baptism
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When I was baptized at Shades Mountain Baptist Church in Vestavia Hills Alabama, I understood that I was being baptized as a Christian not as a Baptist😎❤️✝️
G'day Scott, very succinct and 100 percent correct. When I was baptised in the Baptist Church in Tasmania, it was exactly the same as your experience.
...And that is why if you go to another church, they aren't quick to baptize you. They ask if you've already been baptized.
The evil doer that died next to Jesus was saved but never got baptized
Simple truth right there. And yet so often ignored.
He also died before the great commission:
_”Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, _*_baptizing them_*_ in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: _*_teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:_*_ and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.“_
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
He also died without receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit so by that logic we don’t need to receive the Spirit as well.
Hmmmm. Good point
He was not saved in the sense that you think. Jesus was referring to this mans future resurrection at some point after Armageddon. (Acts 24:15) Even the other thief will most probably receive the same.
The promise made to the thief at Luke 23:43 ("“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”") " was not the promise to be in “the paradise of God” mentioned at Re 2:7, since that promise was made to “the one who conquers,” that is, Christ’s corulers in the heavenly Kingdom. (Lu 22:28-30) This criminal was not a conqueror of the world with Jesus Christ; nor had he been “born from water and spirit.” (Joh 3:5; 16:33) He will evidently be one of “the unrighteous” who are resurrected as earthly subjects of the Kingdom when Christ rules over the Paradise earth for a thousand years.-Ac 24:15; Re 20:4, 6." (Study note for Luke 23:43, NWT online)
@@mattgardiner614
Paradise is heaven smart guy. It’s the realm that at one time was in Abraham’s bosom (where Christ went to preach to the spirits in prison). Then when Christ resurrected, it was moved to the realm where Jehovah lives. Your Bible has the comma in the wrong place. Your organization is false, your God is the governing body, your Bible is a perverted translation.
I watched this video about 6 times. This was insanely incredible 😊 I mean it was so good, on point and deserving of an Oscar! Great job brother
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Which church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1.
five star review for this explanation of the watchtower baptizing system LoDM !
Thank You for your work.
JWs will frequently cite Acts 8:26-40, the account of the Ethiopian eunuch, as proof that we need them to teach us what the Bible means. It's strange, then, that when the subject of baptism comes up, they don't mention the part of that account where the eunuch says “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” WHAT? No 60-question oral exam about WatchTower doctrine first? No pledge of association with an organization that wouldn't exist for another 1800 years or so? What on Earth was Philip *_thinking?_* Why didn't he teach the eunuch all the works he needed? I guess that's what happens when you listen to the Spirit instead of the Governing Body, huh? That must be inconvenient when you're trying to control people...
Tertullian, Baptism ch.18:
"If Philip so easily baptized the (ethiopian) chamberlain, let us reflect that a manifest and conspicuous evidence that the Lord deemed him worthy had been interposed."
The ethiopian had clearly demonstrated faith sufficient to be baptized.
At that time, only faith in Christ was needed. But after nearly 2000 of apostasy, the true faith must distinguish itself from the plethora of false denominations.
Unless you can prove that true Christians have always existed..?
@@davidagnew8792 And you apparently hold that JWs are the sole determiners of what is true faith and who practices it? Who said that "true faith must distinguish itself", and what it takes to demonstrate that? You lot? Still writing the WT into scripture retroactively? In the case of the eunuch, "the Lord deemed him worthy" is sufficient, but now the JWs get to make that determination? And how does a person's ability to memorize and parrot back answers to 60 JW doctrinal questions demonstrate anything? Come on, David. If you want people to accept what you're saying, it should at least make sense.
@@davidagnew8792 You're positing that Christians stopped existing. Seems like the burden of proof is on you, mate. And let's be accurate here. "Baptismal questions help to identify those who become JWs as ones who belong to the -true- *faith defined by the WT."* To state that yours is the only true faith, especially in the face of WT history, is presumptuous.
@@evanwindom3265Compare Jeremiah 50 with Revelation 18. The time frame is the same.
Jer 50:2: Babylon will be captured.
Rev 18:2: Fallen is Babylon.
Jer 50:8 (CEV): "Escape from Babylonia."
Rev 18:4 (CEV): "Escape from Babylon."
But what of true religion?
Jer 50:4 (NET): "When that time comes, the people of Israel and Judah will return to the land together. They will come back with tears of repentance as they seek the LORD their God."
Rev 1:7 (ERV): "Jesus is coming with the clouds! All people of the earth will cry loudly because of him."
At that time...Jesus is coming (denotes when Jesus returns).
tears of repentance...peoples will cry loudly (denotes a time of repentance when Jesus returns).
Jer 50:6 (NET): "My people have been lost sheep."
Jer 50:17 (NET): "The people of Israel are like scattered sheep."
Jer 50:19 (NET): "But I will restore the flock of Israel to their own pasture."
Jer 50:26: "Destroy her completely!"
Rev 18:19: "in a single hour she has been destroyed!"
Jer 50:29: "Pay her back for what she has done."
Rev 18:6: "Repay her the same way she repaid others."
Jeremiah 50 and Revelation 18 are the same time frame, when true faith is restored.
How can true faith be restored if true faith has always existed?
Jer 50:8 (Good News): "People of Israel, run away from Babylonia! Be _the first_ to leave!"
Bible Students (Jehovah's Witnesses) were the _first_ to heed the call to get out of false religion (Rev 18:4; Jer 50:8).
If true faith has always existed, who were the first to leave Babylon in Rev 18:4 and Jer 50:8?
I prove my case. Now prove your case that true faith always existed?
@@davidagnew8792 David, who is Jeremiah's audience? "Peoples"? No. Israel and Judah.
You didn't prove anything. You rip some verses out of content from Jeremiah, filter them through your WT glasses, and apply them universally to everyone but the WT. That's not proof. That's text without context becoming a pretext for a proof text. Look at Jer 50:8 -- who is being spoken of? "People of *_Israel"_* but you are assuming that it's about JWs solely based on your opinions, not scriptural evidence.
"Bible Students (Jehovah's Witnesses) were the first to heed the call to get out of false religion (Rev 18:4; Jer 50:8)." That can't possibly be true, since they ARE a false religion. True faith? Way not. JWs have more faith in Stephen Lett than Jesus Christ.
I totally was over the moon by the last part and last sentence of your video. 😅
Man you explained it all the way correctly. Ben felt this way for a decade and a half and now today you confirm my feeling . Man o man
Excellent explanation of the true meaning of baptism. Not to Watchtower Corporation.
Thank you for this! This is what I've always believed, and have been taught. Yes we should be baptized, but it doesn't save you.
Excellent points!
Great video! Thank you.
Great GREAT JOB!!
I’ve watched them baptize teenagers and preteens by the dozens and most of the kids quickly give an insincere testimony mostly copying the testimony before them. None were sincere or genuine 💔💔🙏🙏
Where does the Bible say anything about making a dedication to Jehovah before baptism?
Name a time someone was baptized without either repenting, or becoming a Christian.
Amen!
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Funny enough it wasn't until 1985 that TheOrg was inserted into the questions.
"What are the questions usually put by Brother Russell when receiving candidates for water immersion?
ANSWER.--You will notice that they are on broad lines--questions which any Christian, whatever his confession, should be able to answer in the affirmative without hesitation if he is suitable to be acknowledged as a member of the Church of Christ:
(1) Have you repented of sin with such restitution as you are able, and are you trusting in the merit of Christ's sacrifice for the forgiveness of your sins and the basis of your justification?
(2) Have you made a full consecration of yourself with all the powers that you possess--talent, money, time, influence--all to the Lord, to be used faithfully in His service, even unto death?
(3) On the basis of these confessions, we acknowledge you as a member of the Household of Faith, and give to you as such the right hand of fellowship, not in the name of any sect or party or creed, but in the name of the Redeemer, our glorified Lord, and His faithful followers." What Pastor Russell Said pp.35-36
"A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit." Watchtower 1955 Jul 1 p.411
"We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah." Watchtower 1966 Oct 1 pp.603-604
The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30
2019, reference to the holy spirit was removed altogether.
“(1) “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?”
(2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?””
2019 Announcements and Reminders
Wow!
How sickening.
Brilliant.
They know they are wrong and like any cunning, sleezy conman, they are slowly changing their doctrine. The latest being introduced in their October AGM. I'm waiting to see the changes in writing. It sure does take a long time to get new doctrine introduced.
The fact that there are professing Christians that try and teach that baptism saves you is unbelievable.
It was believable for 2,000 years of Christ’s church.
@@jesuschristsaves9067 Your name "Jesus Christ Saves" contradicts your now silly statement that the Church has viewed Baptism as essential for 2000 years.
My good friend Rich Baker is 100 percent correct.
It's either" Jesus Christ Saves"
OR
"Baptism Saves"
It cannot be both.
Please change your name to "Baptism Saves", because you really don't believe "Jesus Christ Saves".
Checkmate.
@@RowanTasmanian
Ooohhh I’ve not heard that one before. Definitely a checkmate 🤡
@@jesuschristsaves9067 No worries.
I have it on good authority that Bozo the clown whom you appear to hold as some form of Mentor appears not to be someone you should consult on theological matters.
I would put your mentor Bozo the Clown in the same category as Charles Taze Russell and Joseph Rutherford.
@@RowanTasmanian I agree. His name should be changed.
Wow that is so true, why they took so long, to baptize
I so want to be baptized the right way.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Absolutely yes to your last question! CAPITAL YES, dot,dot,dot. It's all about fear mongering. Typical of the prince of this world, don't you think? Master deceiver. Please pray for all who are spiritually dead. But for the grace of God, there go I.
They believe people will workout their salvation in the millennial.
How does your comment even make sense? The Millennial Reign I presume you mean? AFTER Armageddon.
However you must be born again in order to enter the Kingdom of God-The Millennial Reign.
John 3:3
“Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Uff that last comment 🤣
When u get baptized its like starting a life sentence
Can you please explain Matthew 24:36 to me? Why would Jesus say that if they are all equal? Wouldn't all three have the same knowledge? Thank you for all your work.
Good Question. 4 Ways. First you have is two different words. In Matthew 24:36 eidó, which be used for knowledge but also words like to behold, or to make known, announcement. Now elsewhere like in verse 50, about the servant not knowing when the Master would return, it's ginóskó, which is a full knowledge, awareness. So the first word implies it's the Father's job to make known, when the Son would return.
Another is the analogy of a Jewish wedding. It was the Father's job to announce the groom. Being that Christ is the groom and the Church is the bride, we can see why Jesus could have been using this analogy.
Thirdly is perhaps Christ is purposely choosing not to know. In his humanity, he's being obedient to the Father, and keeps that fact hidden. This would make any attempt by a false teacher who says "The end is such and such date" would also be saying, "I have information that The Father doesn't even share with Jesus." This of course hasn't stopped many, but it makes it easier for the church to point out and condemn.
Hope that makes sense. If you want me to clarify or expand, just let me know!
Is there any way we can buy out the entire JW organization and fire the entire GB???
what good would that do you would not destroy the J.ws beliefs im not sticking up for them here but attacking ANY religion always seems to backfire and have consequences. Dont believe me just look at scientology or mormonism etc.
@@user-ei3ux6gt3s it’s using a fail proof business model to impose a religion for the propose of controlling other people and personal enrichment for the GB.
Thanks for this. OK, so when people use 1 Peter 3:20,21, Acts 2:38-41, John 3:4-6 to say that Baptism saves you. I can just turn to Titus 3:5, John 3:16, and Acts 10:44-48 for evangelism purposes.
He that endures to the end will be saved. If once saved always saved was true there would be no need of the letters to the seven congregations.
If you can be saved one day and lost the next, then you are trusting in Jesus plus your works.
@@maryalexander3045 huh
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:22
and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:5
He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee
Ephesians 1:14
[Holy Spirit] who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
@@id744 where in all that did it say once saved always saved? Why were there letters of correction to five of seven congregations in revelation? If once saved always saved is true why are you bothering the watchtower?
@@bretherenlee1404 The Spirit given to believers is a guarantee. A guarantee of their inheritance. If it can be taken away, it isn't guaranteed. Secondly who gives the Spirit? God. If God started a good work in you, such as giving you the Spirit, he will not fail to finish his good work.
The Watchtower is a false prophet. We are obligated to expose and rebuke false teachers.
I had been tired to get baptism for 8 years jw im giving up. Just haven't baptism they ignore me now. I was doing curse attack them 13 time happening. Thank Spirit follow me a voice to surprised jw
....so, what should I do in order to get an acceptable baptism before God..? I've never been baptized but I want to be a real Christian before God...? So, please tell me...Where can I be baptized as a real Christian???
Good question. Find a good local church that you like and is preaching the gospel. Then ask about baptisms, see if they do them once a week, once a month, year etc, and what their process is. Pray you’re lead to the right place and you will be. Could take a week, or a month, but shouldn’t be too hard.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Thanks a lot! Really appreciate it! God bless you!
How do you feel about Catholics requiring people attend classes for a year before getting baptized? Not scriptural in my opinion.
I always took umbrage with how witnesses did baptism and pointed it out even when I was a pimi.
Unbiblical. I understand a pastor having a conversation with someone before, asking them why they want to get baptized, and I’m totally ok with that, but having a 60 questions test or class, it’s just not what the gospel is all about.
Catholic here. They want to make sure you truly understand what baptism means and your faith, since Catholics believe in infant baptism, the classes are really for the parents usually, it’s to make sure you agree that your role as a parent is to teach them about Christianity and raise them in the faith. They are trying to prevent parents from baptizing purely out of tradition or to appease a grandparent when they have no intentions of evangelizing their child past that. They want the family to live in Christ not just see it as a ritual.
@@michellebernal5668 I'm speaking of the rcia classes
@@jordanissport well same concept kind of, they don’t want adults receiving sacraments of the church without really knowing what they are and what they mean. Along with teaching them about the sacraments, they offer Bible studies, classes of the faith (catechesis), etc. Ever wonder why some people fall for cults that have wrong message of Jesus (JW, Mormon, etc) they were poorly catechized and never truly understood who Jesus is. Most JWs I’ve known who were Catholic or Protestant before didn’t even understand the Trinity or the gospel when they were previously Christian, so they can be deceived by anything.
@@michellebernal5668
Infant baptism is not scriptural.
Baptism is for the mature believer and comes after conversion.
You go to the bible to get on them but when you want to do something you don't want the same comparison
Have said no to the God of Jesus?
Miscreants reject salvation after baptism, according to Tertullian.
"Here, then, those miscreants provoke questions. And so they say, Baptism is not necessary for them to whom faith is sufficient;
Grant that, in days gone by, there was salvation by means of bare faith, before the passion and resurrection of the Lord. But now that faith has been enlarged, and has become a faith which believes in His nativity, passion, and resurrection, there has been an amplification added to the sacrament, viz., the sealing act of baptism; the clothing, in some sense, of the faith which before was bare, and which cannot exist now without its proper law. For the law of baptizing has been imposed, and the formula prescribed...has tied faith to the _necessity_ of baptism."
(Tertullian On Baptism. Chapter 13. Baptism is Now a Law).
__________
On the basis that a matter is established on the testimony of two or three witnesses (Deut 19:15), the eternal life of anointed ones is established at baptism by three witnesses (the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
And there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood (1 John 5:7,8).
"And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life..." (1 John 5:11).
Tertullian says salvation comes to the anointed after attestation of faith and then baptism under the three witnesses:
"Moreover, after the pledging both of the attestation of faith and the promise of salvation under three witnesses, there is added, of necessity, mention of the Church."
(Tertullian On Baptism. Chapter 6. Meaning Contained in the Baptismal Formula).
No.
Believe in your heart that Jesus die, was raised up, confess with your mouth that Jezus Christ is Lord, and you will be saved.
Baptism comes after salvation.
First comes CONVERSION then IMMERSION.
@@mattmurdock2868Baptism comes before salvation. Conversion, belief and confession are pre-requisites to baptism and salvation.
Water baptism, anointing of holy spirit and partaking of the blood of Christ are the three witnesses to the salvation of anointed Christians.
You say in another video that partaking of the blood of Christ is a command. Baptism is also a command. Baptism and communion are the two commanded ordinances.
Baptism in the name (testimony) of the Father, Son and holy spirit.
And salvation in the testimony of the Spirit, water and blood (1 John 5:7,8).
You disagree with your church Fathers.
Conversion. Immersion. Anointing. Partaking. Salvation.
@@davidagnew8792
No friend, no one gets baptized before believing.
Baptism is for believers only.
Non believers don't get baptized.
We are saved by faith in Christ and the power of His resurrection, THEN we partake in it by Baptism.
Baptism is not necessary unto salvation, only faith in Christ and the confessing of His name.
Then Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you. Go in peace."
Lk.7:50
"Go in peace."
Not, "go get baptized."
And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
Act.16:30,31
TERTULLIAN
Without baptism, salvation is attainable by none.” (Baptism 1 [A.D. 203]).
HIPPOLYTUS
“[P]erhaps someone will ask, ‘What does it conduce unto piety to be baptized?’ In the first place, that you may do what has seemed good to God; in the next place, being born again by water unto God so that you change your first birth, which was from concupiscence, and are able to attain salvation, which would otherwise be impossible."
(Homilies 11:26 [A.D. 217]).
ORIGEN
“It is not possible to receive forgiveness of sins without baptism.” (Exhortation to the Martyrs 30 [A.D. 235]).
CYRIL OF JERUSALEM
“If any man does not receive baptism, he does not have salvation." (Catechetical Lectures 3:10 [A.D. 350]).
@@davidagnew8792
None of these writings are scriptural, just the opinion of men.
Terturllian is pretty far out there with his beliefs.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach there is no hell but the following proves differently.
Jesus Himself Speaks About Hell And How Not To Go There:
In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus describes a rich man that lived lavishly and a poor beggar man named Lazarus. It came to pass that Lazarus died and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom. The rich man died, was buried, then went to hell. 23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in TORMENT, saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented IN THIS FLAME. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received good things, and likewise Lazarus received evil things, but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they which would pass from hence to you can not, neither can they pass to us, and would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray you therefore father, that you would send him to my father’s house. 28 For I have 5 brothers that he may testify unto them, lest also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay father Abraham, but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
LOCATION OF HELL: Jesus said in Matthew 12:40, ”For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH.” Paul said in Ephesians 4:9, ”Now that he ascended, was it but that he also DESCENDED into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.”
HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE: Jesus said in Luke 16:24,”….Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue for I am TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME.”
Jesus said in Matthew 13:42,”And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE, there shall be WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” Jesus said in Matthew 25:41,”Then shall he also say to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.”
Jesus said in Revelation 20:15,”And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.”
HELL IS A PLACE OF TORMENT: Jesus said in Luke 16:23,”And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENT….” 24 …..for I am TORMENTED in this flame.” Jesus said in Revelation 14:11,”And the smoke of their TORMENT ascended up FOR EVER AND EVER, and they have no rest day or night….” Jesus said in Mark 9:45-46,”And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off, it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED. 46 Where their WORM DIES NOT, and the fire is not quenched.” Note that it doesn’t say “THE Worm”, it says “THEIR WORM” dies not. Jesus said in Revelation 21:8,”But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, which is the second death.” Note that Brimstone is Sulfur and burns with a very strong odor of rotten eggs.
The scriptures above prove when a person goes to hell they will constantly see hell, constantly smell hell, constantly feel the heat of hell, will constantly breath hell, will constantly hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth of others in hell, will constantly be aware of their own worms, they will have no rest day or night, there is no way out and it will continue for ever and ever, they can’t die because they are already dead.
The following is how to not go there and it is a SIMPLE AND EASY thing to do:
All of the book of Acts is what Jesus disciples said what we must to be SAVED - meaning not go to hell, which is repentance, water baptism in Jesus NAME, (Not the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) and being baptized with the Holy Ghost. Jesus said in Mark 16:16,"He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be SAVED, but he that believes not shall be damned."
At about that same time He said in Matthew 28:19,"Go therefore and teach all nations BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name and not name's) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost." Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Jesus disciples never used those words when they baptized anyone in water, nor did they use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. Every time they invoked Jesus NAME at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16.
Jesus said in John 3:3-7,"Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man BE BORN AGAIN, he can not see the kingdom of God. 5 Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 7 Marvel not that I say unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN." Being born of water is being baptized in water which is for the REMISSION OF SINS - meaning the INITIAL remission of sins and not the confessing of sins later addressed in 1 John 1:9. Being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost. What being baptized with the Holy Ghost means is addressed in Acts 2:3-4, (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5 - which is when the Spirit of Christ initially dwells in a person. Nowhere in Scripture does it say it happens any other way than that way. There is not one Scripture that says a person receives the Holy Ghost just because they are a believer. Acts 19:1-5 is a good example.
Paul said in Romans 8:9-11,”But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, HE IS NONE OF HIS."
Numbers 23:19, ”God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent, has he said and shall he not do it? And shall he not make it good?”
Malachi 3:6,”For I am the Lord, I change not...”
Hebrews 13:8,”Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” That means there is no reason to think that Jesus will make an exception and save someone that has not been baptized in water in Jesus NAME, and has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not baptized yet Jesus told him he would be in paradise with him that day. Jesus had not given the COMMANDMENT to be baptized in HIS NAME until after he had risen from the dead and before he ascended into heaven. The thief on the cross could not have been baptized because he did not know about it.
if you do what Jesus said above in Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:19, and John 3:3-7, you will be making SURE your name is Written In Lamb's Book Of Life.
If you are convinced you need to get baptized in water in Jesus Name do a search and type in "United Pentecostal Church International", scroll down to just below the red box, type in your zip code, a screen will show a Church near you that will do that.
Jesus said John 10:27, ”My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
Actually you forget something, it is far more complicated top get baptised in JWorg cult. Before even applying for baptism questions test, you need to apply to be a unbaptised publisher. To be approved as an "unbaptised publisher" you need to pass a different test of questions with elders. Than you have to go door to door for at least several months (generally minimum 6-12months) than you can apply for a baptism questions tests. Also If you are not born into the cult, but outsider, before even applying to be an unbaptised publisher, you have to pass a "bible study" course, general about min a year long. So nothing even close or similar to 1st century christianity.
You inadvertently help JW's with your comment. Several have commented about young JW's being baptized and later getting disfellowshipped. But logically, if one has to demonstrate their belief, commitment and resolve over a period of time FIRST, (And LIVE it) does that not better equip them for the future than, say what LODM says happens at his church:
"...a mature 14 year old, wants to get baptized the assistant pastor talks with them, and ask them why. Then the next Sunday, during service, the person says “I believe Jesus is the Christ, Son of the living God, my Lord and Savior,” then the pastor says. “I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Dunk, everyone claps and cheers."
I'm not denying disfellowshipping happens. But if someone from Christendom can get baptized on a whim, do none of them ever fall away? Are you making that claim?
@@mattgardiner614 Hi, I am not certainly helping JWs, I maybe help their dogma "the baptised person has to be well prepared", but it is not a bible teaching. As video clearly says, 1st century christians were baptised within the day they heard the gospel. I am not here to judge bible or christianity, After 40y as a JW I am now an atheist. I just clarified that the JW internal process to get into baptism is even far from the bible and more complicated than the video explained.
@@mattgardiner614 Yesterday I spoke with one of your fellow believers on this subject. In the 70s of the last century, the Catholic Church was strongly condemned by your organization for infant baptism. Today, children of baptized Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged in internal video campaigns to apply to become unbaptized publishers at the age of 6. I know of cases in which 8 and 9-year-old children have been admitted to baptism by Jehovah's Witnesses. Your organization is violating its own original rules with this practice. Where in the New Testament scriptures does it explained that it is necessary to attain the status of an unbaptized publisher before actual baptism?
In addition, children are encouraged in internal video contributions to donate their pocket money to the organization, although it is impossible to predict which path these children will take as adults.
If, for example, the prediction of the "overlapping generation" fails once again, the Governing Body will again shirk its responsibilities, while the individual member who has made substantial donations to the organization in reliance on these predictions will be forced to engage in physically demanding and underpaid gainful labor into old age.
The members of the Governing Body, who consider themselves successors of the Apostles, enjoy a luxurious lifestyle at their headquarters in New York like the Pope and the Curia in the Catholic Church, thanks to the generous donations of their confreres.
In addition, the baptismal formula that the organization imposed on its members violates biblical principles.
A child is baptized at the age of 8 out of his love for his parents and decides to take a different path in life as an adult. From this point on, this person loses his entire social circle. Can you reconcile such a practice with your well-trained conscience?
@@MR-gx3gc Thanks for your message. Hope you are well. There is a big difference between being "eight or nine" even, and being a NEWBORN BABY, which is when many 'Mainstream' churches will do it. Would remind you too, that the Catholic rite of Confirmation takes place typically between the ages of 7-13. Or Immediately after baptism in the case of adult converts.
Did you read the earlier back-and-forth I had with LODM? After sending a message where he talks about under 18's being children and that's why as a society we don't let them do a bunch of stuff, I pushed a little more, and what did I get back?
"At my church, which is pretty NORMAL, When a mature 14 YEAR OLD, wants to get baptized the assistant pastor talks with them, and ask them why. Then the next Sunday, during service, the person says “I believe Jesus is the Christ, Son of the living God, my Lord and Savior,” then the pastor says. “I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Dunk, everyone claps and cheers..."
So just like that the threshold came down 4 years. That one and others have also essentially said, 'Well, it's wrong to baptize young ones because they later might decide it's not for them and fall away'. Well, yeah. But so??? Genuinely depressing that I have to point out a, what SHOULD be obvious to all, point of logic, that if going through a process that can take years (Almost 4 in my case), demonstrating your commitment, PROVING you understand what is going on and the responsibility it entails, - so not on a whim - still means that some later fall away (Again, not disputed by me), then how many ultimately fall away from the Churches of Christendom? Where there are far less rigorous standards and you CAN apply for Baptism on a whim?
Frankly, this is so transparently a double standard than I'm not inclined to discuss it further with anyone. As I've said: The only conversation worth having related to this topic is on whether baptism is required for salvation, and the logical follow-up, Salvation once gained, can it be lost?
@@mattgardiner614 Thank you for the kind inquiry, everything is fine with me, I hope the same applies to you and your family members.
Unfortunately, you have not internalized the core idea that I expressed in my last comment.
Therefore, your reference to the practices in the Catholic Church is not admissible in this context. As you know, I am not an advocate of the teachings of the Catholic Church. In fact, no follower of Christi has the authority to call himself "holy father" within a Christian community, since this title and position are reserved exclusively for one in heaven. (Matthew 23:9)
However, the same is true of other religious leaders who have presumed to appropriate a leadership title such as "Governing Body", even though this title and the position associated with it are reserved exclusively for Jesus Christ. (Matthew 23:10)
Whether baptism was regarded by the apostles as a requirement for a confession of true discipleship of Jesus can be deduced by any reader of the Bible from the following messages of the apostle Peter, as he proclaimed them among his Jewish compatriots in the course of the founding of the Christian community in Jerusalem.
Acts 2,37-39 ( N W T Study Edition)
37 Now when they heard this, they were stabbed to the heart, and they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles: “Men, brothers, what should we do?”
38 Peter said to them: “ R e p e n t , and l e t e a c h o n e o f y o u b e
b a p t i z e d i n t h e n a m e o f J e s u s C h r i s t
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f o r f o r g i v e n e s s o f y o u r s i n s , and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.
39 F o r t h e p r o m i s e h i s t o y o u a n d y o u r c h i l d r e n , a n d t o a l l t h o s e
w h o a r e f a r a w a y , t o a l l t h o s e whom Jehovah our God may call to himself.”
Even then, disputes had arisen among the brethren concerning the question of the baptismal vow, which Paul denounced in his letter to the Corinthians as follows.
1 Corinthians 1,10-16 ( N W T Study Edition)
10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of o u r L o r d J e s u s C h r i s t , that you should all speak in agreement and that there s h o u l d b e n o d i v i s i o ns among you, but that you may be
c o m p l e t e l y u n i t e d i n t h e s a m e m i n d and in the same line of thought.
11 For some from the house of Chloʹe have informed me regarding you, my brothers, that there are dissensions among you.
12 W h a t I m e a n i s t h i s , t h a t e a c h o n e o f y o u s a y s :
“ I b e l o n g t o P a u l , ” “ B u t I t o A · p o l ʹ l o s ,” “ B u t I t o C e ʹ p h a s , ” “ B u t I t o C h r i s t .”
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13 I s t h e C h r i s t d i v i d e d ? P aul was not executed on the stake for you, was he?
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O r w e r e y o u b a p t i z e d i n t h e n a m e o f P a u l ?
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14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crisʹpuso and Gaʹius,
15 so that n o o n e m a y s a y t ha t y o u w e r e b a p t i z e d i n m y n a m e .
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16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephʹa·nas.q As for the rest, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.
In the same letter, the apostle Paul explained the central message he had proclaimed orally during his missionary journeys. In 1 Corinthians 1:23 Paul mentions that this message was received by his Jewish compatriots as a stumbling block.
1. Corinthians 1,22-25 (N W T Study Edition)
22 For the Jews ask for signs and the Greeks look for wisdom;
23 b u t w e p r e a c h C h r i s t e x e c u t e d on the stake,
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t o t h e J e w s a c a u se f o r s t u m b l i n g but to the nations foolishness.
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24 However, t o t h o s e w h o a r e c a l l e d , b o t h J e w s a n d G r e e k s , C h r i s t i s t h e
p o w e r o f G o d and the wisdom of God.
25 Because a foolish thing of God is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God is stronger than men.
1 Corinthians 2,1-2 ( N W T Study Edition)
1 So when I c a m e t o y o u , b r o t h e r s , I d i d n o t c o m e w i t h e x t r a v a g a n t s p e e c h or wisdom declaring the s a c r e d s e c r e t o f G o d t o y o u .
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2 For I decided n o t t o k n o w a n y t h i n g a m o n g y o u e x c e p t J e s u s C h r i s t,
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and him executed on the stake.
The apostle Peter had already pointed out this theological fact to his Jewish compatriots after the founding of the Christian community in Jerusalem as follows.
Acts 4,8-12
T h e n P e t e r , f i l l e d w i t h h o l y s p i r i t, said to them:
“Rulers of the people and elders,
9 if we are being examined today about a good deed to a crippled man,j and you want to know who made this man well,*
10 let it be known to all of you and t o a l l t h e p e o p l e o f I s r a e l
t h a t i n t h e n a m e o f J e s u s C h r i st the Naz·a·reneʹ,
whom you executed on a stake but whom God raised up from the dead, by means of him* this man stands here healthy in front of you.
11 T h i s i s ‘ t h e s t o n e t h a t w a s t r e a t e d b y y o u b u i l d e r s a s o f n o a c c o u n t t h a t
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has become the chief cornerstone.’
12 Furthermore, t h e r e i s n o s a l v a t i o n i n a n y o n e e l s e ,
f o r t h e r e i s n o o t h e r n a m e u n d e r h e av e n t h a t h a s b e e n g i v e n
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a m o n g m e n b y w h i c h w e m u s t g e t s a v e d .”
Questions to the Bible teacher
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1.) Is the Watchtower's official baptismal formula compatible with the requirements immortalized by the apostle Paul in his writings?
2.) In what sense are the statements of the Apostles Paul and Peter to be understood, according to which the message about Jesus Christ proved to be a stumbling block for most of their Jewish compatriots?
All those examples you cited were already in a dedicated relationship with the only true God . They had already precisely identified who the only God worthy of worship was an so only needed to identify his messiah additionally the miraculous gifts of the spirit were in operation anyone who was not sincere could be weeded out by a prophet or apostle. See acts Ch.5:1-5. Your dedication must be symbolic of your heartfelt devotion to JEHOVAH The MOST HIGH God.
Yeah, nothing like that can be found in scripture.
Biblical baptism is not a "dedication" to or for anyone one or anything.
The ONLY scriptural baptism is into the death and resurrection of Christ.
Here is one of the MANY problems with your false god and his "organization";...
Your "Jehovah" is seeking followers for himself.
Watchtower has sent you all out "two by two" to seek to make disciples for "Jehovah" of Watchtower.
The Godhead found in scripture worked together to make disciples for Christ.
Our Father NEVER tries to gain followers, always turns people to His Son.
Our Father reject all who come in HIS name, the ONLY name accepto the Father is Jesus.
Here is what our Father says...
"This is My beloved Son.
Hear Him! "
Here is what the Son said/ says to all He met;
"Follow Me."
All are to follow Christ.
The Father only wants and accepts those who follow His Son, even giving His Spirit to the followers of Christ.
The Spirit worked together with Father and Son with miracles, signs and wonders.
Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Godhead, all working together to gain followers for Christ.
Not for the Father, not for false god "Jehovah" of Watchtower.
The Father only accepts those who know Christ as Lord, and never tries to make followers of His own.
Now, your "Jehovah" is very busy about gaining followers of his own, those who will profess his "name."
The god of Watchtower will even try to steal away followers of Christ, something Our Father never would do.
So who is this "god" who seeks followers, who exalts his own name above Jesus, who masquerades as "Father" but is not.?
In the Kingdom of our God, your "Jehovah god" is an interloper, an impostor...a false god who bears much bad fruit.
@@mattmurdock2868 So baptism in to death of Jesus is not a dedication. We die to ourselves and we live to JEHOVAH God.
Here is what Jesus declares:
John Ch.17:3KJV"And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE (Second petson singulat)THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.. The God and Father of Jesus is the MOST HIGH GOD and the ONLY TRUE God . According to YOUR Bible. There is ONLY ONE NAME that the holy scriptures EVER Ddescribe as.HOLY . Spoiler alert. It's not 'Jesus.'
John Ch.14:28NIV"“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
Believing that the God and Father of Jesus is the MOST HIGH God and worshipping him as such is what it means to truly follow Jesus.
@@mattmurdock2868 and I'm sorry but no member of the bloodstained churches of Christendom has any moral standing to lecture ANYONE re: unchristian fruitage especially the ONLY Global Christian brotherhood that is fulfilling Isaiah ch.2:2-4
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
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60 questions? 60 lektions? from bible with 66 parts? to many 6-is !!!
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If baptism is about sins and repentance, why was Jesus baptized considering he was perfect/sinless?
Jesus was purifying(healing) the water so that those who are baptized into his death and burial are also raised with Him. Baptism water judgement.
As he said to fulfill all righteousness. Being a servant, he showing us, what righteousness looks like. Also Jesus had to take the role of high priest, and his baptism was his anointing into the priesthood, being that he was 30, a man, from a certain tribe, etc.
Babies and children does not need to be baptized, because they are covered by God's grace and will automatically go to heaven if they die. That is why you hear the phrase "THE INNOCENT", meaning that they have not willingly sinned yet and have done nothing to be punished for. But when they start sinning and know good from evil, then will they need to be baptized to wash away those old sins. A person should never wait to be baptized, because you never know when you will die and then it will be too late. Stay blessed. Amen.
They completely strip the 1st century biblical understanding away. There is a direct correlation of Spirit indwelling and baptism. See below...
Mark 1:8
I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
John 1:33
I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
Acts 1:5
for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 11:16
And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slaves or free-and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
I hear many similar videos that create ill feelings towards JW's. The videos point out what they think is wrong but fail to see the good that JW's do.
Me? I have no hate towards the JWs but I am not blind to the mistakes that are being made. How can anybody claim to be in a peaceful relationship with God if they are not at peace with their brother - 2 Cor. 5:18,19.
You don't see Christmas or Easter in the bible but you have no problem with that. Hypocrisy?
Because Christmas came out in the year like 336 and Easter in the 2nd century so after the Bible was complete 😂
@@MrPoohman1981 yes the person who owns this channel does not have a problem with things not in the bible only when it comes to the watchtower. I smell pure hypocrisy
The theology is no longer that dogmatic😂
One thing is not quite accurate in your teaching. Matthew 28:19 is not in original manuscripts,it was added later. We were always to be baptised into YESHUA!
Sorry but that’s not correct. No manuscript containing Matthew 28:19 has a textual variant. Plus all early Christian writing, wether from the early church fathers or the didache, all contain the the saying from Matt 28:19, baptize in the name, Father, Son and Spirit.
Mat28:19 This Trinitarian formula is highly suspect. According to the Jerusalem Bible, "It may be that this formula 'Father...Son...Holy Spirit, 'so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned,is a reflection of the liturgical usage established later in the primitive community. It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptising 'in the name of "YESHUA "'only."Equally important is Eusebius ' omission of this phrase:"The facts are in summary, that Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19,21times,either omitting everything between 'nations'and 'teaching,' or in the form 'make disciples of all 'nations in my name,' the latter form being the more frequent "(Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics) All immersions in the NT were done into the single Name of YESHUA. ( Acts2:38 ;8:16 10:48 19:5 22:16)
I hope this helps, love your teachings brother & may the most high Elohim YHWH continue to bless you & your ministry through our Messiah YESHUA 🤗 ❤️ 🙏🍷🍞🎶
You say works don't make a difference why are you creating standards now?
@@dirkfirkle73 are you saying Matthew 16:27 is not true?
@@dirkfirkle73 are you saying revelation 19:8 is not important?
@@dirkfirkle73 are you saying Jesus will not judge by deeds?
This is a whole new level of dishonesty. When you were scrolling SUPER QUICKLY SO NOBODY COULD VERIFY, through the 'Organized to do Jehovah's Will' that you CLAIM seldom mentions Jesus, I hit pause 6 times, and 4 of them I landed on SOMETHING ABOUT JESUS!
Another thing, when you talk about being baptized in the name of the "Father, Son, and holy spirit" and mention "Guarantee of salvation". There is no "Guarantee" of Salvation. (Matthew 24:13). You could just 'Grab the Bull by the horns' and make a 'Once saved, always saved' video, but you won't. Because the disagreement among 'United' Christendom adherents in the comments would be embarrassing. And you wouldn't be able to make the claim that differing opinions in regards to salvation are OK, because that's a "Non-essential".
"This is why they push child baptism". In almost thirty years associating with JW's, I have never seen anyone baptized earlier than their mid teens. In fairness, I think I heard - ONCE - of someone younger than that being baptized. But even if this is more common than I'm aware of, this is not something Christendom wants to be throwing stones at Witnesses over. I myself was "baptized" in a Presbyterian Church as a small child with a sprinkling of water on my head from a font.
To your oft-repeated question "Does baptism save you?" I actually agree with you when you say "no". How could I or any Witness say otherwise when we are so opposed to the wicked 'Once saved, always saved' lie? (The two are inextricably linked) You can be baptized unworthily just like you can take the memorial emblems unworthily (1 Corinthians 11:27). And sadly, many later fall away.
Hi Matt :)
Regarding baptism ages, while at this time I don't think infant baptism is biblical, Watch Tower does not have a strong ground to stand on to criticize other Christian denominations that practice it. To my knowledge, a person baptized, in most other denominations, as an infant or any other age won't be shunned (at least not in the manner that Watch Tower practices it) by members of that denomination if they decide to one day go to a different denomination or even cease believing in the Bible. If a child, let's say 10 years old, is baptized as a Jehovah's Witness, if he ever does not agree with the teachings of Watch Tower years later, he will be shunned by his believing friends and family and the other members of Jehovah's Witnesses. So the punishment potential is far higher on Watch Tower's side. Also, while infants cannot truly accept the Bible as being true, neither can that be said of anyone who is 6 years old or even (in my opinion) 16 years old (perhaps even higher ages); they also have brains that aren't fully developed and are not deemed in general to take responsibilities in things like voting, drinking alcohol, getting married etc. and I don't think even at late teenager ages are in a state to say genuinely that Watch Tower is where God's favor is with.
For evidence that Watch Tower encourages and has mentioned in positive lights, children and young people being baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses at very young ages, even as early as the age of six years old.
Here are some examples:
The Watchtower, 1992, March 1, pages 26-27, "Persuing a Goal Set at Six Years of Age", Quote: "In the summer of 1946, I was baptized at the international convention in Cleveland, Ohio. Although I was only six years of age, I was determined to fulfill my dedication to Jehovah. That summer I served as a pioneer for the first time. I remember one morning placing 40 magazines with people seated at The Plaza in San Diego, California. My being tiny and talkative had a lot to do with it, I’m sure."
The Watchtower, October 15, 1996, “Jehovah Answered My Prayers!” Quote: "Even children among Jehovah’s Witnesses are having a share in this work. Consider, for example, a boy named Joel. He symbolized his dedication to Jehovah and was baptized at nine years of age."
Yearbook, 2011, Preaching and Teaching Earth Wide, Quote: "BAPTIZED AT SEVEN. Paola, who lives in western Mexico, is being raised by her grandparents. Her grandmother began studying the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses when Paola was five years old. Paola listened in, and the truth took root in her young heart. Although her grandmother did not progress, Paola began to attend the meetings by herself. She would ask her grandparents to help her get dressed and to help her cross the street to get to the Kingdom Hall. As soon as she learned to read and write, Paola enrolled in the Theocratic Ministry School and became a publisher. Because of her love for Jehovah, she got baptized at the age of seven. When asked why she attends the meetings and preaches so zealously, even without her family’s support, Paola, who is now ten, answers: “I like the talks a lot because they encourage me to keep on studying the Bible and to stay out of trouble. And I preach because I want to teach people what Jehovah is going to do for them in the future and because the Bible can make them happy right now.”"
The Watchtower, 1995, February 15, Dominican Republic-Still Open to Discovery Quote: "Indeed, young people, both those brought up in the truth and others, seem to take their worship of God seriously. For example, Tamar and her sister Keila were both baptized at the age of 10 and entered the full-time pioneer ministry by 11. Wendy Carolina was 12 when she symbolized her dedication by water baptism, and two years later, in 1985, she started regular pioneering. Today she is an effective teacher, still enjoying the full-time ministry. Young Jovanny, baptized at 10 and a regular pioneer at 11, is conducting four home Bible studies. When ten-year-old Rey discovered that a secondhand-book vendor had a booklet published by Jehovah’s Witnesses, Rey begged his mother to buy it for him. He read it from cover to cover. His search for more Bible literature eventually led him to the branch office. Today he is enjoying the full-time service, and his mother is also serving God."
Awake! 2006, August 6, A Child’s Faith Quote: "Dustin wanted to be baptized. So while he lay on a sofa, too weak to sit up, Christian elders considered with him the questions used for baptismal candidates of Jehovah’s Witnesses. On October 16, 2004, at 12 and a half years of age, Dustin was baptized at a circuit assembly."
Yearbook 2002, Worldwide Report, Quote: "In the East African country of Uganda, 12-year-old Kandole would sit quietly and listen attentively while his mother studied the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses. In time, the mother lost interest in the study, but the boy missed hearing the Word of God and asked where the Witnesses held their meetings. The following Sunday, he walked the seven miles [11 km] to the Kingdom Hall and after that attended regularly. A pioneer brother began to study the Bible with Kandole, who made fine progress and was baptized at 14 years of age. Now he is 17 and recently became a regular pioneer. His goal is to become a special pioneer. His mother eventually resumed her study and is now a baptized sister. Kandole no longer has to walk to the meetings. Now he has a bicycle, on which he gives his mother a ride to the Kingdom Hall."
The Watchtower, 2006, July 1, Youths, Make It Your Choice to Serve Jehovah, Quote: "Numerous Witnesses around the world feel that their decision to get baptized when they were young helped them greatly. Take as an example a 23-year-old Witness in Western Europe. He recalls that getting baptized at the age of 13 motivated him to be careful not to be swept away by “the desires incidental to youth.” (2 Timothy 2:22) Early on, he set his sights on serving as a full-time minister. Today, he serves happily at a branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Rich blessings await all youths, including you, who choose to serve Jehovah."
JW Broadcasting-March 2017 at the 18 minute mark, "How encouraging it is to see young ones getting baptized... And we sincerely hope that you young ones who are not yet baptized will not hold back from getting baptized as soon as you qualify... Not long ago, it made me very happy to observe a little ten-year-old brother get baptized."
JW Broadcasting-December 2023: 154th Gilead Graduation, at the 17 minute mark, "A brother took his nephew, 13 years old, to visit Bethel. And at the time, the nephew was going through ffamily turmoil to the point that it caused him to lack motivation. So as theyu're touring Bethel ,a Bethelite stopped and took a few minutes to show personal interest. The result? At the very next assembly, the 13 year old got baptized. Two years later, at 15, he started regular pioneering. AT 17 was appointed a ministerial servant. Now he is 19; he put in his application for Bethel. All of this becasue someone stopped and showed personal; interest."
Video Title: Cultivate Qualities That Promote Endurance shows at the beginning part a 12 year old girl wanting to get baptized like her mother did when she was 12. This is supported by her father.
I hope this is useful for you. And I hope that you verify all that I have said and quoted to see if I am being truthful or not.
I was raised in a Jehovah's Witness household myself and still live with my Jehovah's Witness mother and father, brothers and sisters. I have been studying the Bible and Watch Tower's history, doctrines etc. for a bunch of years, and while I am no expert or anything, I personally believe they are not God's channel nor organization. I implore you to look into this as much as you can yourself, and it seems you are in that process already. The fact that you are watching a video that is critical of aspects of your belief system is a good sign that you are concerned with the truth and are willing to look at opposing views. I know how uncomfortable it can be for your belief system to be challenged, but it is very healthy to do it. I ask that you pray that the Holy Spirit guides you into all the truth, and if you are willing to pray for a random commenter on RUclips, perhaps pray that the Holy Spirit guide me as well so that I can be guided from any doctrinal errors that I likely currently hold.
Anyone who isn’t 18 years or older is a child. And is recognized as such by the majority of people.
This is why we don’t let people under 18 sign contracts, smoke, drink, watch porn, get tattoos, buy a house, have a credit card. But signing up for a organization that tell you friend and family to shun you should step out of line….that’s ok?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry So are you telling us that you have never seen anyone under the age of 18 baptized before? Either in the organization that you are a part of, or any other group that you approve of doctrinally, (Hope I spelled that right)?
@@mattgardiner614 There is big a difference between someone at my church getting baptized, and a the Witness Version. At my church, which is pretty normal, When a mature 14 year old, wants to get baptized the assistant pastor talks with them, and ask them why. Then the next Sunday, during service, the person says “I believe Jesus is the Christ, Son of the living God, my Lord and Savior,” then the pastor says. “I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Dunk, everyone claps and cheers. There arn’t a list of question, no identifying one selves as a certain a denomination, no new title, no new shunning rule, no memebership.
See a baptized Protestant Christian can at 14 can decide at 18 that they want to be Catholic, or agnostic or Mormon. Your family doesn’t shun you, there no letter they want you sending in, there’s no announcement made, there are no repercussions. Not so for the JW, at 14 they possibly don’t know the extent of what could happen should they decide to leave the faith.
YT keeps dropping this comment, so I'm reposting it.
Just for clarity, I did some searching for various terms in the questions and the responses. (I did not include occurrences in links, page titles, or section headings. The following reflect only the text of the numbered questions and their corresponding answers.
Part 1: Christian Beliefs:
- "Jesus" appears 10 times.
- "Christ" appears 2 times.
- "Christian" appears 0 times.
- "Jehovah" appears 19 times.
- "Salvation" appears 0 times.
- "Elders" appears 0 times.
Part 2: Christian Living:
- "Jesus" appears 2 times.
- "Christ" appears 2 times.
- "Christian(s)" appears 5 times.
- "Jehovah" appears 21 times.
- "Salvation" appears 0 times.
- "Elders" appears 3 times.
(John 3:5) Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.
Born of water and spirit obviously is not about any actual birth. But a baptism.
BOTH by water and holy spirit.
(John 3:6) What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit.
Flesh is certainly not water.
Everyone is born of water (flesh). Nicodemus understood that. Which is why he asked Jesus how one could go back in the womb.
To see the Kingdom of God one must be born of the Spirit. That is what it means to be BORN AGAIN. Baptism of the Spirit occurs when one repents and accepts Jesus Christ. Baptism in water is symbolic of this baptism of the Spirit.
@@dirkfirkle73: Flesh is NOT water. Anyone should know that fact.
Baptism by spirit aside from water baptism, puts a Christians in a position to be an HEIR of God's Kingdom. A spirit baptism is an ANOINTING.
1 John 2:20 And you have an anointing from the holy one,
Those not among the born again Christians, I included, look forward to inheriting THE EARTH (Matthew 5:5). Not God's Kingdom.
@@jimjuri6490 Water baptism does nothing for salvation. It is symbolic.
If you are not BORN AGAIN (Spirit baptism) you cannot enter God's kingdom. - John 3:3, 1 Peter 1:2-3
@@dirkfirkle73 :1 Corinthians 15:50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot INHERIT GOD'S KINGDOM, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: WE will not all fall asleep in death, .....
This WE is talking about the born again Christians.
Matthew 5:5 “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will INHERIT THE EARTH.
This is talking about people like me who are not born again.
@@jimjuri6490 If you are NOT born again then you will not enter God's kingdom whether it be heaven, earth, or both.
Jesus spoke this very plainly. Don't let erroneous Watchtower theology deceive you.
If JWs have got it wrong, then there is nothing to worry, is there.
All these videos however show fear. Fear that JWs are right and everyone else is wrong.
The survivors of Armageddon are shown at Revelation 7:9,10,
(Revelation 7:14) So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
To be righteous in standing before God, Baptism is essential,
1 Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you (not by the removing of the filth of the flesh, but by the request to God for a good conscience), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Good one Jim, I think it's time to take your medication and have a nap.
No-one here thinks the JWs are right on practically anything.
For example: Your religion teaches that Jesus chose the GB in 1919 to run the organisation and become the FDS.
However the GB wasn't invented until 1976 in its current form.
So according to your silly organisation, Jesus chose a group to run His organisation in 1919 and to run it from that very day, BUT THAT VERY GROUP WOULD NOT BE CREATED FOR ANOTHER 60 YEARS APPROX.
As always Jim, your Jesus is a moron and is a man-made doctrine
The Real Christian Jesus is God Incarnate.
Amen. Baptism is necessary
The earliest Christians did believe that baptism is a essential part of salvation.
The Bible states believe AND be baptized. They are indeed connected.
As an exJW, I don't like to admit that the Witnesses are ever right.
But the truth, as Jesus said will set you free.
@@Sauveguy Please name these Early Christians that believed Baptism is essential.
Also supply actual historical references that are PEER REVIEWED.
JWs have never ever got any doctrine correct. With 40 years of researching this cult, every doctrine is incorrect. I have never been proven wrong. Give it your best shot.
If jws have it wrong that means they are following false teachers and are a false religion.
The videos don't show fear they show just how false the governing body teachings are and how they don't like up with what God's word written in the Bible says
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE WRONG! PERIOD!
Jehovah is not God's name. The following proves what His name really is.
The Following Is Scriptural Proof Who Jesus Really Is And That He Is Much More Than Just The Son Of God.
Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by any man but was taught by Jesus himself which means whatever Paul said was what Jesus told him to say. Paul said in 1 Timothy 3:16,"AND WITHOUT CONTROVERSY GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS, GOD was manifest in the FLESH (Jesus), justified in the SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory."
Paul said in 2 Corinthians 3:17,"Now the LORD IS THAT SPIRIT, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty." Jesus is speaking in Revelation 2:7,"He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the churches...." And Paul said in Ephesians 4:4, "For there is one body, ONE SPIRIT....verse 5 ONE LORD, ONE Faith and ONE BAPTISM."
Paul said in Colossians 2:8-10,"Beware lest any man fool you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 FOR IN HIM DWELLS ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY." Jesus is not just part of the Godhead - Jesus IS the Godhead.
Paul said in Hebrews 1:8,"But unto the SON he said, Thy throne O GOD is forever and ever...." Jesus said in Revelation 21:6-7,"And he said unto me (John) it is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I (Jesus) will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of life freely. 7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his GOD, and he shall be my SON."
Paul said in Titus 2:13, "Looking for that blessed hope, and glorious appearance of the great GOD and our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST."
1 John 5:20,"And we know that the SON of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his SON Jesus Christ, THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, AND ETERNAL LIFE."
Isaiah 9:6,"For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son (Jesus) is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, ..." Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, which was, and is to come, THE ALMIGHTY." Jesus said in Revelation 2:7, "He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says unto the Churches....."
Jesus said in Mark 16:16, "He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned." Jesus addressed what damned means in Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:45-46, Revelation 20:15, and Revelation 21:8.
Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, "Go therefore and teach all nations BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name and not names) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost." Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they invoked Jesus name at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. Peter said in Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men whereby we must be SAVED."
Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not Baptized yet Jesus told him he would be with him that day in Paradise. Jesus had not yet given the COMMANDMENT to be Baptized in His Name until after he rose from the dead and just before he ascended into heaven. The thief or anyone else could not have been Baptized in His Name because they did not know about it. There is not one scripture that says a person receives the Holy Ghost just because they are a believer. Acts 19:1-5 is a good example.
If you are convinced you need to get Baptized in water in Jesus name and get Baptized with the Holy Ghost - which is addressed in Acts 2:4 (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5. Do a search, type in "United Pentecostal Church International", slightly scroll down to just below the red box, and type in your zip code. Then a screen will show a Church nearest you that will do that.
If you do the above you will be making SURE your name is written in the Lamb's Book Of Life.
Jesus said in John 10:27,"My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
Are you BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, JEHOVAH? NOPE. as you want to become an antiCHrist
In what name are people to be baptized in, according to Jesus in Mat 28:19?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 you tell, what NAME is the Father? What NAME is the SON? what NAME is the holy spirit? remember it is SINGULAR. you think the Father's name is JESUS CHRIST as well?
I can always count on you to deflect and not answer any question posed to you.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 NOT DEFLECTION at all, i just want you to answer them so we can understand, and I do know how to answer that. again show you are HONEST - I CHALLENGE YOU. you tell, what NAME is the Father? What NAME is the SON? what NAME is the holy spirit? remember it is SINGULAR. you think the Father's name is JESUS CHRIST as well?
You know the answer to the question I asked, but you're not going to answer... Ya, you're real honest. 🙄
Your arguing over nonsense 😂 it's a myth irrelevant of denomination!