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SCA Steel Fighting Experiment - Basic Guide
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- The SCA Steel Fighting Experiment is new, it is exciting, and can appear confusing at first glance. I assure you it is a very safe activity. I put together this guide to show the layout of the list, explain the roles of combatants, marshals, and judges, and explain scoring bouts. I hope this video familiarizes you with this new format and hopefully inspires you to participate as a ministry of the list or even as a combatant! Thank you for watching. Please share with anyone interested in the Society For Creative Anachronism Steel Fighting.
All information in this video is current from the official rule book as of the date of video publication.
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Fresh news from today:
"Hello everyone,
This weekend the SCA Board of Directors reviewed steel fighting in the SCA. I am pleased to say that it was approved.
I would like to thank all of those that made this possible.
More information to come."
As long as you acknowledge the blow, wear as much armor in c&t as you like. You get the added ability to use your sword like a sword and thrust as well.
My dad was a heavy fighter in gyldenholt in the late 70's to early 90's and would have loved to see this finally come about.
I am so excited we are doing this! Look at us, trying out new things like an experimental recreation group! 🖤
Shared to the West Kingdom. As far as the Basket hilt comment. Basket Hilted Broadswords were used in period. 1545 specifically.
Also I am assuming you are going with the no bare skin rule, like in Cut and Thrust and Rapier?
Thank you for the information :)
Yes, no bare skin and pretty much nothing mundane visible from 10 feet (pretty sure that is the standard rule?)
glad this is being done.
Super cool. Thanks!
Thanks for producing this. I don't think I'll ever do it at my age but I would happily be a line judge.
Definitely fun to just be around it :)
Nice Channel Dude, I am from germany and will get my first sca fight next week. Will also film it and put it on my channel
Awesome, I'd like to check it out if you upload it :) and thank you !
Interesting vid you did, enjoyed watching.
Thanks:) I hope it helps spread interest in the new SCA fighting format.
Very nicely explained. this looks fun
Thank you :) I have had fun with it, hope to see more people try it out.
Super Video!! 👌💞
LG & weiter so ✌️
Thanks, this is exciting! Can you do a video about weapon and armor rules?
I was hoping to have gotten to that already but was having trouble arranging a day to collaborate with some friends... then the quarantine happened. I want to do that and also show how safe this new format is by taking some hits to the helmet etc. or illustrate how sword tips will not penetrate visors.
Im going to tell my heavy combat friends about this
Its a nice addition to the SCA. Still very technical to score points. It is a little different having a judge count hits to determine who won.
@@BachataKnight if we do it all recorded our fights
The Adrian Empire began due to the steel fighting ban in the SCA many years ago-and is now a large parallel group to the SCA. I wonder if and how they will reach out to many Adrians who left the SCA for this reason now that they have added steel. Adria has many talented fighters who would add and likely expand the SCA knowledge base in this area. It will be interesting to see if ultimately Adria is absorbed by the SCA? Seems like a huge opportunity at a time when enrollments and events have been affected by the Plague...
I looked into The Adrian Empire, thank you for the reply. Definitely will be an interesting situation once we get back to normal. I think this is not a very popular idea in the SCA now. We couldn't talk many people into playing with us at this event (there were a lot of people there too). Maybe after getting a good final set of rules and establishing steel fighting at major events (like Pennsic etc) and no longer being an "experiment" it'll be time to talk to the people who left to fight steel and maybe even get some advice to help this project.
@@BachataKnight I have one large issue - what if the steel sword breaks or splinters and goes into the crowd?
Could you post a video outlining striking with 3 joints vs less the 3 joints? I’m having trouble imagining doing any complex motion without using 3 joints as a minimum.
Sure thing, I will as soon as I can ;)
Woohoo!
Clarification: When the OP is talking about his background that footage (From 1:00 to 1:36) is NOT SCA steel fighting. It is, as he mentions, ACL (later split into ACS & ACW). This is brutal and fun and not SCA. SCA is the rest of the footage. It seems there may have been some confusion.
This is hilarious! So no armored fencing still? Just bohurt lite(tm)?
Have there been any developments in this? I tried steel fighting in a different group and it was a lot of fun, I would love to see it at the SCA more.
I've yet to hear any official rules become finalized for the SCA. We did do some at Pennsic however it just doesn't seem to be gaining popularity as much as I hoped. And people were still opting to change rules per each duel. I'm sure though that anyone involved in the SCA, could take the lead in their area, to try and popularize it.
Thanks again for this great video! Here are my thoughts about what could be improved even further, and though they may sound like constructive criticisms it's all in support of us doing more of this.
1. Most folks don't have a good way to mark space on the ground. Some parks won't allow paint or chalk on the ground/grass.
2. 6' starting distance works for 1-H weapons, but may not work for 2H weapons.
3. Love that helms with 1' openings allow for safety glasses.
4. I think lanyards are a pain, and would love to see triggers as an option.
5. The weapon type restrictions are fine for an experiment, but I'd love to see them removed if it goes wide.
6. Marshals deciding points and issuing penalties sort of flies in the face of how all other SCA combat is done. I personally think this turns it into a sport instead of a martial art. I'd much prefer that combattants report their own hits received.
7. Valid blows requiring three joints is a bit weird, as does 2H required for longswords. I'd prefer that we simply judge based on "what would be effective against a person" just like in other SCA combat.
I'm from India, I wanna create an sca in my state. How do I get a full set of sca equipments that have been deemed safe (and hopefully cheap, I have a very small budget, but hope it can grow)
Awesome to hear :) well, there certainly are helmets and hand protection that I would recommend. But other than that, a lot of people actually still make hand made SCA armor at home. It doesn't need to be pretty either. Just cover it with a nice tabbard. All you need are a few people in a park fighting with Rattan and you'll surely have people interested to do it too. If I can find some links for helmets etc later I will post them here
What stops a shot from coming in through the slits in the grill on the helm? The steel swords look like they could fit through, unlike rattan
Great question. Eye protection is allowed (pending marshal approval). Myself, I would not want to risk any part of a sword entering the grill. I believe that in normal fighting, since there is no stabbing allowed, the motion of attacks in general arent inclined to enter a grill. Secondly, the swords are, for the most part, wider than the spacing that helmet requirements allow in the grill. 3/4 x 1.5 in. However, there can always be accidents (especially in longsword clenches). There has been talk to regulate hilts so that they are not extending past the gauntlet's fingers at all. I have not heard of any facial injuries locally, and am curious now to ask abroad to see if anyone has reported any.
I think they'd need to change the grilles to perforated steel like "That Guy's" fencing mask or sport mask used in HEMA.
Next time I'm able to get some footage, I'll do a sword vs face video. A helm following the safety rules on square inches of open areas allowed doesnt let a sword penetrate it. Once they decide on the crossguard length, I'm confident that will no longer be an issue.
@@BachataKnight I have hit people in the face on accident with the tip of a blade through a gap in a helm. Fortunately, it was just foam, not metal, but it would have been ugly even with an unsharpened blade
I'd like to see what sort of safety rules they come up with for this, I'd love to do steel combat
I cant wait til the next event. I was thinking maybe even take multiple strikes, even some stabs, to the face. I'm pretty confident that facial injuries will be low by following all the rules :)
Sooo Cut and Thrust with more armor and calibration, but with out thrusts? Why not just go do ACL?
I think they are trying to approach an issue where people are looking to move onto the ACL and also try to attract people interested in ACL. I mean, the ACL isn't even that big, especially compared to the SCA. But there is enough interest it seems to try and experiment with it.
Because I personally enjoy the SCA, don't really have time for a new group, and have zero desire to want to do much of anything beyond singles. (No interest in melees). I suspect I am not an anomaly.
@@ogedei100 singles are so much fun. I felt 30 second rounds went too quick though.
you've kind of re invented the "Eastern" style of Viking age combat they do in eastern Europe. but with better levels of protective gear.
Thank you for this excellent video! The rules are in flux (hence "experiment" so details may vary as time goes by. (There was a recent discussion on how to word the helmet opening rules, for instance.) If you are in the East Kingdom and would like to participate, we are trying to set up practices. Feel free to contact me at heavy-sword@eastkingdom.org if you're interested. Remember this is brand new in the East and slightly delayed as I recover from a broken leg (fighting outside the SCA). I also got my start in the ACL but I've been active in the SCA much longer. I'm hoping to get some steel fighting at the Great Northeastern War at least as a demo if nothing else.
Rapier in the SCA has been using steel since it began..... just sayin' ;)
But we get to stab :p
True to that:)
I am a C&T marshal and the marshal for Steel fighting in the East. I highly encourage you to do all that you love. I'm not giving up my rapier, but I also love the armored steel fighting. They are different games and both pretty awesome. More sword. :)
How do you like the sca combat vs acl
I like it more for the challenge of scoring points, but in that armor I miss the physical contact in a caged list. I'm definitely loving it so far and excited to help it grow.
I do both also. I find ACL (ACW/ACS/IMCF/etc) is more raw, more violent, and honestly takes more out of me. SCA steel experiment is more laid back yet feels more precise. Sometimes I want to focus more on technique or work in different scoring formats. That's where the SCA steel excels.
Brian Chabot awesome does that apply to rattan combat as well
@@jacobwilliams1471 I find rattan combat requires me to pay attention to what is hitting me (for obvious reasons). I also need to focus on hard hits that my opponent will acknowledge. In ACL/ACW/ACS/IMCF I can go all out and be violent without worrying about the majority of what's hitting me. My armor works and I'll notice if a blow gets through. No need to concentrate on it. In SCA Steel experiment, I am focusing more on technique. It is a refreshing change.
I still don't understand why literal hickory baseball bats aren't used. A steel sword won't do anything to someone in armor. A hickory bat would end the fight pretty quickly. HG Alaric
Why do you this format takes more skill than the IMCF dual format?
The 3 joint in motion rule to score in the SCA. Compared to anything I've done in IMCF where it doesn't seem to matter.
@@BachataKnight 3 joint motion rule? I didn't see that mentioned in the closed captioning, may have missed it.
Ah, ok, I don't know how accurate CC is in general because I'm not the clearest speaker. No joke it took me two hours to be happy with my commentary.
So three joints in motion is basically that you can not just swing or chop and score a point unless three joints were used in the delivery of the strike. I guess that could be like engaging your wrist, elbow, and shoulder. Perhaps wrist, elbow, and hips. So you have to manipulate the blade with some sort of skill compared to mindless flailing.
OPne more opinion: I fight in IMCF rules (Armored Combat Sports and Armored Combat Worldwide in the US) and I am the marshal for steel fighting experiment in the East kingdom. Under IMCF rules a hit is a hit. Edge on strike is all you need. In the SCA experiment, you need a real technique. We decided on the "3 joints" rule as the simplest way to explain that. You /also/ need edge on striking.
That sounds like a terribly difficult rule to enforce. And also not necessary. Any competent duelist competing in IMCF rules would be moving their body in dynamic ways to land blows like that anyways. So that just sounds like steel fighting with extra steps & more convolution. Also from what you’ve posted in the video the level of fighting looks about the same as lower end fighters competing domestic steel fighting leagues. Just based on the speed of the fights & the type of combos and footwork I’m seeing. Seems like a huge overstatement to say that this is more skillful. Why can’t it just be different? Seriously, why are SCA folk always so butthurt about Buhurt?
No axes (sees an axe)
To each their own, but i wouldn't agree with the claim that this takes more skill. The 3-joint rule makes this more complicated, and in armored combat, or any dueling weaponized sport, just flailing a weapon will never make it far in competitions. I fight armored combat, and those who flail their weapons, though not prohibited, never win tournaments. It takes skill to out perform a skilled opponent, and high level duelist in armored combat (IMCF, HMB, etc etc) will always use technique. I love the art of longsword fighting. I enjoy armored combat and HEMA as well, and then the intense violence of a melee to top. SCA can be fun, rewarding, and challenging. I just dont believe the claim that it takes more skill.