Regarding the keyboard and nouse, you can definitely plug them in a stock CD-32. You have a ps2 style connector on the side where you kan plug in a keyboard, I plugged in my Amiga 2000 keyboard through a AT to PS2 adapter. The mouse just plugs in one of the gameports as usual. If you have Workbench on a CD you can then boot to Workmench and usd the keyboard and mouse.
The AUX port, aka "serial with extras" can take both a keyb and work as a serial port (with some level conversion parts). There's some fine hardware wizards in the Amiga scene these days, shouldn't be too hard for them to work up a way to wire something like an ESP32S3 to that port for "cheap and cheerful expansion". Sure, the rear expansion connector is far better in any terms, but its not a simple case of "wire a din connector to a MCU and let the software do the magic, all for $10 or so" job ;) "Slow WiFi", USB/BT keyboards, etc...
You just reminded me to get my CD32 out and see if it still works, I also have to recap it. I bought the caps for the CD32 and all my other Amiga's months ago, I need more time in a week.
A real A1200 could have a harddrive and floppys plus an accelerator +RAM pus CDROM via PCMCIA slot. My 68020EC at 28MHz did 5 MIPs , my I9-9900K 8C/16T at 5GHz does 400K MIPs
I didn’t know there was an Amiga Wing Commander…or I played the heck out of it on my buddie’s PC and no longer wanted to play. But the “irony” is that the spaceships in that were rendered on an Amiga 3000 and turned into sprites (with Imagine?). Something like that. Anyway, I guess it went full-circle. Kinda neat if that’s accurate!
Aside for the Tower's the only Amiga's I do not have in my collection is the CDTV and CD32. Space here is at a premium although I could fit a CDTV in my living room and the CD32 really does not take up much space but I often worry about he optical drive heads failing. I think not to long ago Amiga Kit was selling new heads, well I know someone was. If I were to add these to my collection I would want replacement heads or drive mechanisms but something tells me the drive mechanisms are unique.
FPUs were a seperate chip for all 030s, like the x87 chips for intel COUs before the 486. The 040 had the FPU integrated, unless you had a 68LC040, thise dis not have an FPU. What you *might* have been thinking of was the MMU being standard in the 030. (MMU might have been on 020s as well, can't remember 100% on that, but def NOT the 68k.)
Yep the dev of the TF cards doesn't believe in the value of the FPU (I guess he thinks that there is so little software that uses it, adding the ability to add one would make the card more complex for very little gain and there are other cards that do have at least a socket) so he left it out of the design. I see why he would say that on the CD32, but as was shown here there is always someone who wants to push boundaries.
Ah... my first CDROM drive... because i was really economically challenged back then and a mate found a few dozens (!!!) in a dumpster from some college that had simply thrown them out. True story. There were plenty of PSU's and gamepads, some keybs and mice and he even found one SX1 for his. I wasn't so lucky so, Network CD and a "sort of null modem" cable later and i now had a CDROM drive. And it served me quite well (if slowly) until ATAPI drives became cheap.
@@joefish6091 Oh, "parallel networking" was a year after or so, because... not enough money for an external modem, but a friend had given me a hand me down P133 and there were plenty of WinModem's i could take home from work, we had boxes filled with them from upgrades. So, buy PC NETWORK (from Weird Sscience) that came with a LapLink'ish cable, setup PLIP, learn how to use Wingate to setup a proxy, and... shared network. Then it became NT4 and Winroute, WinModem became "Realtek NIC from the junk box" when cable models and "high speed internet" became a thing, then... You're 10000% right, those WERE the fun days... @HoldandModify The dumpster CD32's were from Cambridge School or British Institute, can't remember which, they'd used it for classes i guess, and they when the CD32 and Commodore went bust, they simply dumped them all in the trash bin.
As janky as the PlayStation's graphics hardware was in some ways, AGA/Akiko vs Playstation being released only about a year apart is a pretty sad matchup. CD32 had Wing Commander, and PS1 had Wing Commander IV. Definitely one of those things that seemed smart at the time, but launching a new console based on computer hardware turned out to be way harder than it looked. (See also, Apple Pippen!)
The WB is. I changed the config. Also Vista Pro only opens up as a HiRes Interlaced screen. As I said, in person you can see the flicker. It's just very subtle.
@@HoldandModify I bought many monitors trying to find one that the phosphor had the perfect balance of sharpness, lack of movement blurring and lack of flicker, best I found was a Microvitec (you can never find a perfect balance) really the blurring and lack of flicker are at the opposite ends of the same stick but the aperture grille can help with that.
I was an Amiga nut (still am) but this never appealed to me. A cheap IDE cd ROm plus my 1200 was better. Like you said, The trick missed was the Akiko chip. I have never found any CD32 package that didnt work on my 1200. Didnt try WC - maybe if that does use the Akiko - but also I think an accelerated 1200 could emulate the Akiko..... All the CD32 versions of software I have work on my 1200.
There was an Akiko work around for the AGA Amiga that if you had FastRAM was in fact faster than running it on the CD32 and if you added a faster CPU if got even quicker.
Fun times. the AGA models should have had bitmap as well as bitplane. and the whole Commodore business model founded on a saturated market, you cannot sell new models to children (parents) and teens every year. at the very least people pass on the old model to younger siblings or friends. sales thus will be low. It not like the business world.
Its fun today to run UAE and emulate Amigas, not all software works but enough does to satisfy. I find after twenty five years of Win and Nix, the Amiga Workbench is clunky to use.
One could get almost a bit emotional over this one. ;) Another colossal waste of resources, just like the CDTV. I picked one up for 99 DM when a store cleared them out in 1995. It served as a CD player in our break room until the early 2000s when it stopped working.
Marty wasn't 32-bit, I know people like to say it was (and it's repeated to the point of brainwashing), but the 386sx has a 16-bit bus. If having 32-bit internals and a 16-bit bus is 32-bit then the 68000 is 32-bit (no its not)
@@HoldandModify I was commenting about the "weird funky console from Japan" the FM Towns Marty (normally when I see a video about the CD32 someone comes in saying it wasn't the first 32-bit console, I was just getting in early). Isn't that what you were noting?
@ I feel like you are trying to make me find one. I sold them at my store. I still remember setting up the Kiosk. It WAS arguably the best version of Street Fighter II for the home back then. :)
The reasons are actually so much dumber... Have a look at David Pleasance's book.. it involved someone deciding to manufacture them in the Philippines, where Amiga had no market...because the guy in charge was having an affair with a girl down there...
@@HoldandModify That's not to say it, and an A1200 with a harddisk (extremely rare config on sale in shops without warranty sticker destroyed voiding the lovely on-site warranty the 1200 came with), didn't have potential. Hard coded 100% machine code developments of games identical to things like 386 PC running Sam and Max, Day of the Tentacle or Jim Sachs 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea he couldn't get a license from Disney for which would have sold the machine. Just never going to rival the SNES or NeoGeo hardware for console type games. Having said that the AGA 64 pixel wide sprites could have done a phenomenal version of MK2/SF2. Just not something like Konami's Vulcan Venture/Taito's Chase HQ from the arcades etc in perfect quality for £300/£400 on the low end AGA machines.
Regarding the keyboard and nouse, you can definitely plug them in a stock CD-32. You have a ps2 style connector on the side where you kan plug in a keyboard, I plugged in my Amiga 2000 keyboard through a AT to PS2 adapter. The mouse just plugs in one of the gameports as usual. If you have Workbench on a CD you can then boot to Workmench and usd the keyboard and mouse.
Ohhh? New info! Thank PINNED this so others hopefully see. Thank you!
@@HoldandModify I think the Aminet discs booted to WB.
The AUX port, aka "serial with extras" can take both a keyb and work as a serial port (with some level conversion parts). There's some fine hardware wizards in the Amiga scene these days, shouldn't be too hard for them to work up a way to wire something like an ESP32S3 to that port for "cheap and cheerful expansion". Sure, the rear expansion connector is far better in any terms, but its not a simple case of "wire a din connector to a MCU and let the software do the magic, all for $10 or so" job ;) "Slow WiFi", USB/BT keyboards, etc...
Seeing Mehdi Ali and Irvin Gould almost ruined my day! 😁
Great to see the CD-32 in action. Thank you very much.
i know, sorry! But.. those two..grrrrr
You just reminded me to get my CD32 out and see if it still works, I also have to recap it. I bought the caps for the CD32 and all my other Amiga's months ago, I need more time in a week.
Awesome! Yeah get it out, she begs to be played with. :)
Got one with the tf330 68030 really good.
they really do make a world a difference for any Amiga
I really enjoy my CD32 with the TerribleFire add on. I use the RGB to Component adapter and I get an incredible video quality out of it.
I'm addicted to the "video look" of the SVideo output on that Dell. :)
I always wanted one of these because you were getting an A1200 PLUS a CDROM.
A real A1200 could have a harddrive and floppys plus an accelerator +RAM pus CDROM via PCMCIA slot.
My 68020EC at 28MHz did 5 MIPs , my I9-9900K 8C/16T at 5GHz does 400K MIPs
@@joefish6091 But your I9 has no soul! ;-P
I didn’t know there was an Amiga Wing Commander…or I played the heck out of it on my buddie’s PC and no longer wanted to play. But the “irony” is that the spaceships in that were rendered on an Amiga 3000 and turned into sprites (with Imagine?). Something like that. Anyway, I guess it went full-circle. Kinda neat if that’s accurate!
I wondered if you had known about it. I remember you being a big WC fan. I mean I imagine you were. Random commenter person. ;)
Q, I hope you’ll ask Santa for a canister of Endust this year.
haha. Yes. Top on my list.
Aside for the Tower's the only Amiga's I do not have in my collection is the CDTV and CD32. Space here is at a premium although I could fit a CDTV in my living room and the CD32 really does not take up much space but I often worry about he optical drive heads failing. I think not to long ago Amiga Kit was selling new heads, well I know someone was. If I were to add these to my collection I would want replacement heads or drive mechanisms but something tells me the drive mechanisms are unique.
I do fear the day they die. unlike other Amigas they require special treatment for repair.
There is a TF360 which has a 68060 Processor in it.
I suspected! That's great. My 3D rendering fans would be happy.
FPUs were a seperate chip for all 030s, like the x87 chips for intel COUs before the 486. The 040 had the FPU integrated, unless you had a 68LC040, thise dis not have an FPU.
What you *might* have been thinking of was the MMU being standard in the 030. (MMU might have been on 020s as well, can't remember 100% on that, but def NOT the 68k.)
Yep the dev of the TF cards doesn't believe in the value of the FPU (I guess he thinks that there is so little software that uses it, adding the ability to add one would make the card more complex for very little gain and there are other cards that do have at least a socket) so he left it out of the design. I see why he would say that on the CD32, but as was shown here there is always someone who wants to push boundaries.
Ah... my first CDROM drive... because i was really economically challenged back then and a mate found a few dozens (!!!) in a dumpster from some college that had simply thrown them out. True story. There were plenty of PSU's and gamepads, some keybs and mice and he even found one SX1 for his. I wasn't so lucky so, Network CD and a "sort of null modem" cable later and i now had a CDROM drive. And it served me quite well (if slowly) until ATAPI drives became cheap.
Wow! Haha, man you hear about stories like this.
They were the fun days, I transferred my Amigas DOS emulator file system across null modem using Laplink to a newly built 486 PC.
@@joefish6091 Oh, "parallel networking" was a year after or so, because... not enough money for an external modem, but a friend had given me a hand me down P133 and there were plenty of WinModem's i could take home from work, we had boxes filled with them from upgrades. So, buy PC NETWORK (from Weird Sscience) that came with a LapLink'ish cable, setup PLIP, learn how to use Wingate to setup a proxy, and... shared network. Then it became NT4 and Winroute, WinModem became "Realtek NIC from the junk box" when cable models and "high speed internet" became a thing, then...
You're 10000% right, those WERE the fun days...
@HoldandModify The dumpster CD32's were from Cambridge School or British Institute, can't remember which, they'd used it for classes i guess, and they when the CD32 and Commodore went bust, they simply dumped them all in the trash bin.
As janky as the PlayStation's graphics hardware was in some ways, AGA/Akiko vs Playstation being released only about a year apart is a pretty sad matchup. CD32 had Wing Commander, and PS1 had Wing Commander IV. Definitely one of those things that seemed smart at the time, but launching a new console based on computer hardware turned out to be way harder than it looked. (See also, Apple Pippen!)
yup. desperate and or dumb times.
Q...your AGS workbench and when you ran Final Writer, those screens were not in interlace. Just wanted to you be aware. Check it 😜
The WB is. I changed the config. Also Vista Pro only opens up as a HiRes Interlaced screen. As I said, in person you can see the flicker. It's just very subtle.
@@HoldandModify I bought many monitors trying to find one that the phosphor had the perfect balance of sharpness, lack of movement blurring and lack of flicker, best I found was a Microvitec (you can never find a perfect balance) really the blurring and lack of flicker are at the opposite ends of the same stick but the aperture grille can help with that.
I was an Amiga nut (still am) but this never appealed to me. A cheap IDE cd ROm plus my 1200 was better. Like you said, The trick missed was the Akiko chip. I have never found any CD32 package that didnt work on my 1200. Didnt try WC - maybe if that does use the Akiko - but also I think an accelerated 1200 could emulate the Akiko..... All the CD32 versions of software I have work on my 1200.
There was an Akiko work around for the AGA Amiga that if you had FastRAM was in fact faster than running it on the CD32 and if you added a faster CPU if got even quicker.
Imagine 2.0 instruction manual! 😂
I did not need that photo fading in ghost like! Halloween is gone! Greedy incompetent evil was oozing out of my screen burning my eyes. Oh the horror!
Haha, sorry. Yeah THOSE TWO.
Q. A little warning before you show Mehdi Ali please. I was eating.
Ha..... Final Writer shows 1/1/78. I wonder why 1978?
lol sorry! Oh yeah that is an odd date. not even sure how that is.
F- for no FPU :)
Fun times. the AGA models should have had bitmap as well as bitplane. and the whole Commodore business model founded on a saturated market, you cannot sell new models to children (parents) and teens every year. at the very least people pass on the old model to younger siblings or friends. sales thus will be low. It not like the business world.
I was so exited back then for AGA. Then I started using them. Hmmmmm.
Its fun today to run UAE and emulate Amigas, not all software works but enough does to satisfy. I find after twenty five years of Win and Nix, the Amiga Workbench is clunky to use.
It really is a different time!
How many of us out there learned how to use a mouse with commodore with the instructions fromGEOS?
@ I first used a mouse with Macs at school way back. I got my first computer with a mouse in 1989. A500 with a 1080 monitor.
@@HoldandModify ahh, so a late learner… gotcha.
One could get almost a bit emotional over this one. ;) Another colossal waste of resources, just like the CDTV. I picked one up for 99 DM when a store cleared them out in 1995. It served as a CD player in our break room until the early 2000s when it stopped working.
Aww..well it got some use. Did its job....sort of. heh
Marty wasn't 32-bit, I know people like to say it was (and it's repeated to the point of brainwashing), but the 386sx has a 16-bit bus. If having 32-bit internals and a 16-bit bus is 32-bit then the 68000 is 32-bit (no its not)
Zorro III is a 32-bit bus. As is the 68020.
@@HoldandModify I was commenting about the "weird funky console from Japan" the FM Towns Marty (normally when I see a video about the CD32 someone comes in saying it wasn't the first 32-bit console, I was just getting in early). Isn't that what you were noting?
@daishi5571 ohhhhh. That makes sense. I misunderstood. Didn't know you were talking about the console in Japan! hah! Oops. :)
@@HoldandModify Its all good it didn't even hurt 😛
Or you could have waited less than a month and got a 3DO
Oh man that thing was trash. At least with this you could turn it into a usable computer. lol!
It wasn't trash, it actually had good games on it. It was just really expensive
@ I feel like you are trying to make me find one. I sold them at my store. I still remember setting up the Kiosk. It WAS arguably the best version of Street Fighter II for the home back then. :)
@@HoldandModify yeah you need one! Star Control 2, Road Rash, Street Fighter, Samurai Shodown, etc
The reasons are actually so much dumber... Have a look at David Pleasance's book.. it involved someone deciding to manufacture them in the Philippines, where Amiga had no market...because the guy in charge was having an affair with a girl down there...
!!
and yet the games were all rubbish and inferior to the £195 cheaper SNES console hosted games lol
Yeah pretty much.
@@HoldandModify That's not to say it, and an A1200 with a harddisk (extremely rare config on sale in shops without warranty sticker destroyed voiding the lovely on-site warranty the 1200 came with), didn't have potential. Hard coded 100% machine code developments of games identical to things like 386 PC running Sam and Max, Day of the Tentacle or Jim Sachs 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea he couldn't get a license from Disney for which would have sold the machine. Just never going to rival the SNES or NeoGeo hardware for console type games. Having said that the AGA 64 pixel wide sprites could have done a phenomenal version of MK2/SF2. Just not something like Konami's Vulcan Venture/Taito's Chase HQ from the arcades etc in perfect quality for £300/£400 on the low end AGA machines.