Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 & Triumph Bonneville, Should you scrap your Pirelli PHANTOM Tyres?
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2020
- This is a regular topic regarding the Pirelli Phantom Tyres. should you scrap them and fit Avon Road Riders or something else? Are they as bad as people say they are? Here we go, get ready for the great tyre manufacturing conspiracy theories!
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Right, I know the subject of tyres can be controversial. However, I have tried riding my bike with and without tyres and it definitely handles better with tyres 😉
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Too good, nice
I think the vast majority of 'new' riders would s*** themselves if their modern 200bhp bikes had no traction control. I had a 1st gen Hayabusa in 99 and giving that a handful was a no no unless I was absolutely sure it was ok to do. There was no TC on that or any riding mode. People do ride above their ability because of these modern gizmo's.
That's why 200bhp is pointless. what's the point if you effectively have to reduce the power with traction control? good point made sir!
@@stuartfillingham Well put!
“If you don’t like it, get a car!” Priceless!
MaybI just suggest something 90% of rain caused accidents happens within the first 10 minutes of raining because the road dust mixed with the rain and covers the road with a sort of slippery layer. You can have the best tires that stuff its like ice! 10 minutes lates once its washed off you can ride normally. But that first 10 mins are dangerous
Good point! thanks for sharing.
I ride like I'm on white lithium grease in the rain
I find it funny when people are arguing about tires on a bike which was in production in a 1970's like the RE. Well if in 1970 we were able to put 50bhp on the road why an earth people think todays tires are not capable to do that...in the last 30 years tires technology improved a lot like oil technology and brake technology...so in a 50bhp bike I pretty sure 90%of todays tires are absolutely fine. This is not a 200bhp monster.
spot on
I totally agree with you.
The wearing to a square profile you mentioned on the video hsa been a huge issue on my Harley's. My commute in pre-pandemic days was 90 miles round trip ( that's 1800 miles a month), all on highway (well, dual carriage ways for you lot ;).
Surprise surprise, even tires made for 800# cruiser bikes were still wearing flat in the middle, which made weekend canyon and hill riding a bit more interesting for me than desirable, but I learned how to manage it by not riding like an over caffeinated squirrel in florescent green leathers. You Team Green guys know what I am talking about here. :)
Key for me was finding tires with high wear rated center section tread compound and softer compound toward the sidewalls. Dunlop American Elites in my case, which is exactly the solution you mentioned in the video.
Those gave good service on my mix of old man commuting to work style of riding and weekend cruising in the hills on a ludicrously heavy bike. My tire needs are therefore very different from say a young weekend canyon carving warrior with a few weekends at Laguna Seca on a Thruxton who takes the train to work.
Bottom line is to select your tires based on needs, not on internet blowhards and rumors. the stock Pirrelli Phantom Sportcomps on my T120 which I have done up as a mini-cruiser have met my expectations in both the dry and what little passes for wet here in California. Cheers!
Never skimp on tires. Especially for bikes.
I don't like skimping on tires even on cars. I live in Finland myself and crap winter tires are practically dangerous. With summer tires you can skimp a bit but if you're not careful you won't have any traction in the rain. Currently riding Metzeler Tourances on my bike and I like them.
Ive never had a problem with the Phantoms, they are a very decent tyre! Good video.
Morning Stuart, I have the Pirelli's on my 2020 Bonneville T100 and I've covered circa 2300 miles on them, no issues whatsoever (touch wood), they perform well and look good on the bike in my honest opinion.
Well said! I've been riding motorcycles since I was 12, I'm now 72 and I've ridden more than a hundred different tire styles and types. There is not one single manufacture and tire type I could recommend, mainly because they are all suited for different riding styles, types and performance. Unlike specialty tires for track, moto, trials or drag, a street tire is a street tire and the ones that appear to work best for a particular make and model have always been the ones that came with the bike in the first place, they are the ones that built the machine to begin with. Unless you live in areas of climate extremes, always rainy, ice and snow most of the year, extreme heat or mostly unpaved roads, stick with the tires that brought you to the dance in the first place. In the long run they will be the ones that are the safest for you.
I myself ride the interceptor and agree with what you said in this video...
Brilliant video as always Stuart and I’ve not had an issue with the Pirelli’s on the Himalayan, although the semi knobblies don’t like being cranked over 😃👍🏻
They're dreadful for tramlining and grabbing at irregularities in the road surface but nothing wrong with the grip in the wet or dry.
I had that problem. I changed to Pirelli Scorpion trail 2, after the back Pirelli Phantom started to seperate at the bead. The tram lining totally disapeared
@@sinclairearl it wont be gone for long! bead separation is a sign the tire has been used with too low a pressure longterm.
Steve Walker 42 psi all the time. Had less than 2000ks. I noticed a the sidewall was bulging out.
Hi Stuart! Thanks again for your videos.
Thanks Stuart! I'm in this exact situation after buying a used 2017 Bonneville, and as a new rider, got nervous,
due to the negative social banter about the tires and thought about replacing them.
Now I will trust my intelligent (albeit nubile) way of riding.
Agree with uncle stuart just keep the tyres infact got the same pair for mine again ... Simply put like in this video if u think ur tyres r not gripping the road in wet and other road conditions get a car 👍🏼
Thanks Stuart! You just saved me a needless spend. Just turned 1800 miles on my 2021 INT. I have found the Pirelli capable through all conditions. I try and make sure i have the best equipment to ride as safe as possible and got caught up with some negative comments from people clearly not as versed in these matters as you. You hit the nail on the head, use the gray matter under your helmet, drive safe and in inclement weather adjust your driving to the conditions! Off to watch suspension video's as i do think that could use a bit of an upgrade.
Wise words Stuart, and with your background, coming from a position of knowledge!
Top stuff once again, Stuart. As an ex- AI myself I concur with all you say about riding within your own limits and those of the bike and the conditions.
Ive got a new Guzzi V7III with Pirelli Sport Demons fitted. For the first few rides I convinced myself that these tyres were causing all sorts of wiggling and squirrelly behavior on my local Welsh back roads. Part of this was my previous experience on a Guzzi 750 Breva fitted with the same tyre, that was "transformed" with a set of BT45s then a set of Road riders. But I have changed my opinion now. Why? Well I softened the rear suspension on the V7III and guess what the misbehaving has all but gone. So this makes me wonder just how many people are whinging about their tyres, but really they need to adjust their suspension. The Pirellis are staying till they need replacing.
My Interceptor has the Ceat tyres fitted. I obviously did research on the Enfield before buying it and one subject kept cropping up in nearly all bike reviews bar one (yours). That the OEM tyres are rubbish. I ride for pleasure only these days, so normally ride in the dry but recently while out got caught in a deluge. After riding for 70 miles in this rain, I have gained so much confidence in these tyres. When they do eventually need changing I may consider the Avon as I’m an Avon fan, but we’ll see. Good video and good advice by the way.
I had mine for 13 000 km before the rear tire was too worn to feel safe in the rain. I traded them for Bridgestone T31 and the wider profile feels much better on the twisties and straights. 3000 so far with them and I feel happy with the results, and the looks 😎
Such helpful, real world advice... Thank you! I'm pleased my Phantom Sportscomps on my Duc...
offended ears 🤣😂
This video is one of the reasons I love to watch videos in your channel! Please do more Videos 🍻
Love the phantoms, great compound for the twistys, being using them since I was a young guy , and best pattern on a tyre that ever been around , compliments the look of the bike and back ups with performance, will definitely be refitting when their due
As usual the voice of reason and common sense! Amazing how people adopt other peoples views parrot fashion, on everything from Tyres to Golf Corses. If a reviewer, whom may not know his or her arse from his or her elbow, or are maybe in receipt of a gratuity, gives their opinion, it must be right, because it’s written down in a review or in a vlog 🙄 I think reviewers should be reviewed, especially on platforms like Trip Advisor. Their experiences and expectations are usually totally different, to the ones we may have.
Hi Stuart, as always a very informative video.. you have mentioned several times about correct tyre pressures, I’m presently looking for a mains powered inflator as connecting to the battery is a no (Triumph Bobber) just wondering if you had any recommendations or could it become a quest to help your followers.
Keep up the excellent work 👍🏻
Very clear and informative. Thanks
Hello Stuart, absolutely spot on ! replacing an old worn out tyre with a new tyre, suitable for your bike, from any manufacturer will be an improvement. Even if you replaced the old worn tyre, with the exact same make and model tyre, but brand new, that would be a noticeable improvement. As you say it's important to ride within the limits of the bike, what ever the conditions. Until Metzler stop making the tyres for my Bonnie I will be sticking with OEM tyres.
Cheers Keith
Once again informative Thank You
Some of the points you mentioned resonated with me. I have ridden bikes and driven cars, vans and trucks for a living. Since 1987 I have been a driving instructor and will shortly be retiring from the police, although not as a cop. My issues mainly revolve around non bikers but could apply to either. Seat belt wearing became law but instead of accepting the safety benefit, many drivers got closer to the vehicle in front. When ABS was fitted as standard, many drove faster in the wet. With airbags drivers pulled out more recklessly and with traction control driving faster into bends became more popular. Instead of using these devices to avoid a collision, or at least reduce their chance of injury, many did the exact opposite of what they should do. In other words modify their driving, or riding, to suit the conditions.
I just changed the Pirelli Phantoms on my 2019 Conti GT with Bridgestone Battlax T32s - I must say, the Phantoms served me REALLY2 Well Carving the Twisties and with Really Hard Riding - I dont think anyone rides their RE as hard as I do mine, so .... anyway, after 8500kms I started experiencing the dreaded front-end wobble and also had loss of traction in the rain and damp roads - I realised i had to change my Beloved Phantoms :(
Anyw, just wanted to step-in in defence of the Pirelli Phantoms - I loved them in the Dry AND Wet ... until, of course, they wore out and had to be replaced
Love your Channel, Stuart - Looking fwd to meeting riding with U if U ever come to Malaysia 😅
Thanks Stuart I really enjoyed this. I watch your videos and routinely find myself nodding along in agreement with (nearly!) everything you say, it is really 90% just common sense. It is a great indictment of the early 21st Century in general that there is a neccesity for you to have to focus on such things. Maybe it's an age thing?! :-) Keep up the good work.
Well said Stuart, I've said the same thing for years, why people don't trust news tyres on a new model that's obviously been tested very thoroughly! I have Avon's on my xv1900 & my bullet, love both and both handle really well, good to hear good advice rather than what people want to hear to remain popular all the best & RSM8.
I agree with the points made. Modern motorcycle tyres are much alike, the more expensive being slightly better but the difference is not noticeable by most riders. This was not always the case, 38 years ago I bought a brand new Kawasaki 550cc. On a very rainy day I was warming up the bike by riding it around town prior to dropping the oil out for the 500 mile service. Approaching a crossroads at fairly low speed I applied both brakes. Despite going very easy on the front brake the front end slid from under me and I found myself on my arse.
This would not have happened on my 900 or 650 Kwaks which both had Avon Roadrunner tyres. The culprit, in my opinion, were the Japanese Bridgestones fitted to the new bike. I removed them and fitted Avons and in 15 years of riding this machine in all weathers never fell off. This was a long time ago and I have since heard much that is good about Bridgestone tyres. In today's environment I think that all manufacturers are producing better tyres than in 1982. The important thing, now, is checking the condition and tyre pressure very regularly.
There are no 'killer' tyres out there nowadays, they are all good for normal road riding. My current set up is Avon on one bike and Michelin on the other. No real reason for this choice other than manufacturers recommendation.
A great common sense video, thanks for posting this 👍👍👍👍
Very sensible advice. Many thanks.
The voice of common sense. Thanks Stuart....👍
Nice. Pragmatic, sensible and reasonable...as usual. My Phantoms are doing just fine on the Interceptor. Good video. Thanks.
I find the Phantoms a great tyre for all around road riding. The important thing is keeping the pressures correct. Having done 4K miles on them they still feel good to me with no team lining evident, probably because I have modded suspension.
Great video Stuart , only thing is my refund got lost in the post 😂😂😂😂
I had Roadriders on my Bullet and Guzzi and found them to be fine. Had Phantoms on my Bonnie, couldn't tell a difference to the Avon's. When they wore out I fitted Pirelli Sport Demons and have found them a little better, but not hugely so. Mainly they seem to tram line a little less on the motorway and seem to be a slightly softer, stickier, compound.
Stuart, I replaced the Phantoms on my T120 when they were run out, with the Pirelli Scorpions. I like them much more than the Phantoms, particularly on dirt roads. I ride dirt roads a lot, and the Phantoms were much less stable on that type of surface. Scorpions are an improvement on packed, maintained dirt roads.
Cheers for Wetwang stu you even got tibthorpe in. My late father was born and raised there. BTW the B1248 Bainton to Beverley is highly recommended
Hi Stuart. I am not complaining about the music!! Yes i agree about the tyres. I really havent had a bad tyre in the wet over 50 years. Its more about how you adjust your riding to the conditions. Keep up the great videos and i hope covid is not returning too badly where you are?
I like and agree with your comment about riding aids like abs and traction control and how some riders attitudes have changed as they now dont ride with a certain level of care, but more agressively thinking that the aids will get them out of trouble. also notice this with a lot of car drivers nowadays, sitting up my arse when about to approach a wet roundabout and so on
Wise words Stuart, ambition & ability spring to mind?
On my Bonneville T120 I put Pirelli scorpion trail 2’s on and is a great change up after I wore out the Phantoms after 9000 miles. With the Scorpions I find it easier to dip into the turns and seems to be smoother as I do not get the steering wobble when I take my hands off the grips anymore. These stick to the wet very well and still look OK. The big win for the phantoms is they do look a lot cooler so I would use them until you wear them out.
The phrase "elephant in the room" was indeed perfect! Very good pointers that most people don't consider in tyre performance and life is what you have pointed out here, dear sir. Tyre pressure is something that most wise fools never bother to check and in India Nitrogen is suggesed but they dont care much and end up whining about are and tare. Another aspect however is, many younsters are now purchasing this bike and replacing its ECU and adding quick shifts and free flow exhaust with performance air filters as this is a budget parallel twin and leaves you with some money for upgrades. The point some people miss here is, stability with better suspensions (as you very correctly pointed out in you YSS upgrade video) and controlling ability in the given time and situation. They expect the cornering abilities of a Ninja 650 off the Interceptor which is a fools gold but sime people only learb through experience and most just follow the hype in the forums like you rightly pointed out in this video. Another factual and enjoyable video from you Mr Fillingham. I very much appreciate your thoughtful videos. Using earphones eliminate all sound issues faced on phone speakers but you still were humble to brung that up too! Thanks for another really well put and worded video. Cheers.
Hi Stuart, well said, I was starting to think it was just me.
Yes Sir!
My experience: I had 3 front tires for one rear tire on my Street Twin. The wear on the front tire was extreme. With the Pirelli tires, the bike was also extremely sensitive and slippery in cold or wet weather and seemed to hate cornering.
Every time I drove through ruts, the motorcycle made me feel like it was knocking off my front wheel. The same applies to road patches. I only drove on cobblestones like on raw eggs... regardless of dry or wet cobblestones.
At first I also thought it was up to me. After such a long abstinence, I just have to learn to drive properly again and develop the right feeling again. And that was partly true. But in this case the Pirelli Phantom tires are really a very bad choice on Triumph's side.
This year I switched to Avon Spirit ST based on a tip from my Triumph workshop and what can I say: I have had a completely new motorcycle since then. It steers smoothly and much more safely through the corners, where I had to really fight with the machine beforehand. It's like night and day.
sounds to me like you favour your front brake too much! lets see how many Avons you go through!
@@stuartfillingham
No, on the contrary, when we were children we used to practice braking maneuvers with our bikes in the icy schoolyard. A very painful lesson was remembered: braking in front means that the front wheel tears away and you hit the hard ground directly. If, on the other hand, the rear wheel goes away, you usually slide gently on your buttocks through the area. And that's how I ride my motorcycle. Very atypical but old school. I usually only use the front brake as an additional brake. So this year I had to replace my rear brake pads while the front ones are still good. That meant the front tire had to live a particularly long time, right?
@@thorpluto4527 yet you seem to be the only person ive heard that is going through more front tyres than rear tyres! how odd!
@@stuartfillingham Well, to change the tires was not originally my idea, but the idea of the Triumph Shop, because many customers before me had these problems with the Phantoms too, so I was told there. But if you look at a Phantom front tire, you can actually see why it drove so quickly. The tread depth on a brand new tire is already pretty low.
I'm over 50 and have definitely not been an Isle of Men TT curve an tires eater for a long time. ;-)
But I've spent around 15000km (~9300 miles) on my Street Twin for the last 2 years.
@John Lightfoot all I can say John is that I'm flabbergasted my experience on the T120 and the interceptor have been very pleasant! A difference in riding behavior perhaps?
I learned a lot Sir. Thank you so much........Sal : )
Love the little coffee stop and the wide variety of bikes Hornets Fazers Triumphs and others cool
Another excellent video I have Pirelli sport demons on my modern classic and I found out that they are Made in India and that quality may vary through manufacturer. I'm going with a dual sport Tire the problem I found with my Pirellis tires they didn't like gravel too much they weren't too bad in the rain. I think dual sport is a more travelling Tire and it's rated for longer kilometres.
not many options for 130/70 18 and 110/90 18 in the market in India. Pirelli scorpion trail II are good but come in 17 ". metzeler lasertec are also a good option. Timsun has a few options. Ralco speed blaster, MRF etc may not be capable to handle the performance I guess.... I may be wrong.
Good evening Stuart, what kind of lovely bag do you have on your seat?
phantom tires are not bad after they are hot, but they do not give much confidence in bending and treading the white streaks of the road. I traded mine for scorpion 2 feels better on the road.
Hello. I must say that was the smartest thing i've heard in a tires video, here on youtube. I agree 100%. People tend to forget what you said and go blind for what forums and tire brands advertise. Riders often blame the tires when something goes wrong with their riding and forget that many times the tires are, even they look good, in bad condition. I know because i was one of them. I never had those Pirelli but something similar happened with my Michelin Pilot Street Radial that my old bike had installed. Now i have the same tires (new ones) on other bike and the problems i had simply gone and i'm very happy with them. Sorry for my English. Best regards
As ever really interesting and logical.
My tuppence worth: Jeremy Clarkson said about electronic aids something along the lines that they'd help you have an accident at a greater speed. As for what tyres to fit on your bike, ask the question: is the bike good enough for the tyre and more importantly, are you? For example, my little 150 doesn't need diablo rossos. Speaking of the origin of the myth about the pirellis' wet grip, most Indian channels don't always speak from the right end of the digestive system. If you know what I mean. Excellent points, uncle Stu. Very informative video as usual.
Stuart, can you put in your description a list of equipment you use for filming, like camera model, drone etc?
Once again sensible advice & criticism Tnx stu!👍🏻
We have a lot of grooved roads. These tires do hunt around in the grooves. My wife's sportster doesn't. I think the difference is likely just the narrower width. The only other thing I seem to feel is that the front seems to need to warm a little, or it feels a bit loose.
When I started riding many years ago I used to buy whatever tyres where cheapest. In the wet I took it easy. When grip felt bad, I went even slower. Simple. But... when I bought a new bandit in 96 it came with Bridgestone exedra tyres, the only tyres that have ever slid on me, bolt upright in summer. It happened half a dozen times between 500 and 1000 miles. I changed them for BT45s and never had another slide in the next 3 years of owning the bike.....
Stu - could you do a video on the Interceptor slipper clutch? You can easily change up without using the clutch - does this harm the clutch or gearbox?
Your view on tyres is correct and like you I own a few machines and in the last 30 years tyre technology has changed enormously, today its possibly the most competitive aftermarket accessory available and I have never bought a bad set! My annual mileage is 12,000.
This all makes sense. I’ve been told to change my stocks on my T100 but I have another 2000 miles wear in them. No issues
thank you very common sense and informative this also depends on global location what suits in one contry may not suit the conditions in another many thanks
What tail bag is that? Not sure if I found that out in any of your previous videos.
What do you guys think of the Pirelli Scorpions Trail 2 for the Triumph T100
I do agree to the baseline of this video, but I have experienced the infamous slipping of the Pirellis. When the back started slipping on me (even riding slow and upright), it took all the fun out of riding for me. I swapped them out for Avon Spirit ST, and the difference was night and day for me. The Avons are so eager to lean and grip the road in a competly different way - and they are perfectly suited for my style of riding.
My conclusion is that doing some research before buying tyres is going to give you the performance you look for. I won't say the Pirellis are bad tyres, but having tried the Avons, I'd say the Pirellis just aren't my cup of tea.
I have phantoms on my Bonnie , will stay on until worn out .Not got £200 to spend on new tyres for really no good reason. How's the gearbox issue with your T120 ?
If you don't like it get a car! Classic Uncle Stuart, most of the reviews are paid Stuart, exactly social media is so screwed up..Its one of the things why people like you are rare..true reviews and not paid reviews. You are our silver bullet :)
Depends on your bike and riding style , i love metzler as they last fair kilometers and for months long in every weather they are more than adequate if you ride intelligently
No traction control on my 2015 Bonnie, my first two sets of tires were slippery , higher milage for sure, last two sets have been Pirelli sport demons , though I have felt them give in a curve or two , I'm happy enough with them. They last about a year for me but it's a balance between traction and miles
I have finally caught up with your latest videos, and you are the first person to mention that motorcycles do move about a bit on road banding and vertical repairs that are poorly repaired, which is about 75% of repairs overall, on my previous Tiger 800 the tyres were very jittery on most uneven surfaces, or so they seemed, but on my current Tiger 800 which is fitted with Metzler Tyres, its 100% better you would only feel movement on cats eyes and very raised road markings, I cannot remember the make of the old tyres, they could have been Dunlop !!! regards.
wait until they have squared off a bit!
Never had a problem in the wet with the Phantoms. I didn’t like the very sharp transition from tread to sidewalk on the rear, as I lean the bike enough that the pegs are no stranger to the road. There was a sharp break at a point if I really went for a corner. The new tires I got were a more expensive but had a more even transition, making the handling what I wanted. A dual compound tread and honestly softer compound does help, with the sacrifice of durability. Fair trade to get what I wanted. I did wait till the Pirellis were dead, no reason to waste useable rubber!
Spot on recommendation!
Called at Fimber on Monday, cabin was closed, so onto Seaways. Good observations on the tyres. I think some people read the articles in the comics, where the journalist claims to have ridden like Marquez in the wet on tyre X, & think they can copy that.
Fimber seems to be closed Monday and Tuesday, I wish they would post when they are open on Facebook, I don't mind Seaways but prefer the cake at Fimber lol
All great points Stuart 👍🏻
Well that put the phantom concerns I may have had to bed.
I can't comment on phantoms but most oem tyres fitted to new bikes are generally slightly harder compound. So any aftermarket tyre will feel different with some improvement in grip levels. Plus tyre compounds change constantly every tyre manufacturer is looking to improve their tyres. But as most people say buy the best you can afford but most of all ride carefully especially in the wet. I know a lot of people have a preference for some reason and mine is Dunlop's as the last few bikes I have owned came with them fitted, and they performed well and I got used to the feel from them.
I have to agree with you Stuart. I got a rear puncture and was debating whether to change both tyres, but I'd only covered 1500 miles. Decided to go with another rear Phantom and keep the front and the bike handled superbly. Any thoughts on whether OEM tyres are not the same quality as aftermarket Phantoms, as there's a lot of speculation that the AMs are 'better'.
They have to be the same quality as they would not meet the specifications of the type approval certificates if they varied by more than a small percentage. Therefore it would be illegal to distribute them in most countries. The likes of Royal Enfield isn't going to risk prosecution on that scale! Of course the social media hairbrain conspiracy theorists don't take things like that into account when hatching their theories!
I used to own a xsr 700 fitted with phantoms from new never had a problem with them in the wet
Thank you for addressing this subject. I'm sick of hearing in my FB Triumph Group how the Pirelli Phantoms are "junk", "terrible", "worthless". I don't believe for a minute that Triumph would put such "trash" on a $15,000 bike! I've had the Pirelli Phantoms on my bike for 2 years now, without a single issue of performance. Thanks again for the video!
Love the Yorkshire humour about the refund. Poor little princesses - I have suggestion regarding the sound problems:
TURN IT DOWN or BELT UP.
On the issue of ABS/TC: I’m an automotive engineer and I always tell people that these are friction management systems and not friction création systems. No friction (as on ice, wet mud or leaves) = no braking, regardless of your hardware. The part of any bike that is most often defective, is the nut holding onto the handlebars.
I find people complain about the tyres and in the next breath say how 70s the Interceptor is .how many people liked the 70s Bridgestone ? My god they were Teflon coated . Can’t believe people go on about tyres when they had Avon road runners TT100s .ribbed front ?as you say just ride within your skill . Great video straight to the point .only think I would ask is can a 150’profile be fitted without effecting you’re insurance?
One of my bikes is a Honda Grom. Many of the videos on the Grom say that the tires are crap. I don’t know if that is true because I am just too cheap to remove tires that are barely worn. Tires degrade slowly as does the handling. I am always surprised how much handling improves with new tires. Cheers from the colonies.
I switched to Bridgestone Battlax BT46. Really great on the Interceptor. 👍🏻😉
Battlax? didn't know they were still making those!
👍🏻 I wanted the brandnew "BT 46" too but they wasn't available yet. Then I choosed to Michelin "Pilot Activ" on my GT 650 and I'm loving this tyres, all issues are blowing away. I'm riding these for 3700 Miles and there is no different to the new ones. This tyres are better, cheaper and lasts longer than the Pirelli ones.
Thank You Stuart for this excellent Channel (Sorry for my bad school-english) Greets from germany and stay well
There was the same social media negativity with the OEM tyres on my bike. On the road wet or dry I had no issues. A bit too road orientated for an adventure bike that actually goes on dirt roads so I wore them out and replaced with 50/50s. ABS & TC are gifts from the gods & shouldn't be abused. Every time they kick in you should be thinking why?
Cannot say that I noticed any problem in the rain but they followed any lines in the road and as they got older they certainly were slow on the turn in. This was on a Street Twin (no longer with me) and I wanted a slightly faster turn in so opted for something more sport touring with Avon 3DXM - wow what a difference!....To be honest, for most of the time and for most people on something like a Street Twin I bet most will be happy with the Pirelli and too good to throw away with good tread. Of course we all know that when you fit new tyres there is always a wow moment until you forget the tyres and focus on something else.
Yeah like I said Mark all tyres become susceptible to these issues as they wear and square off
@@stuartfillingham yes and to be fair I thought the Pirellis were wearing pretty evenly. And, if you have had decent wear and arrived safely can you really complain? And of course biking would not be the same without pouring over forums, trade shows, magazine reviews, dealer showrooms, local bike meets to decide which tyre to choose next; there is nothing like a new set of hoops to justify a few days out to 'bed' them in is there!.....we are a strange lot are we not.
Can’t really disagree with that, I’ve just purchased a 2006 Bullet Electra 500 with only 1750 miles on (original owner had it 15 years). I’ve converted the seat to solo and added a rack for that vintage look. On the subject of tires it still has the original tires on 😳 , no problem at all as I appreciate I’m currently on plastic tires 😂) I’m in the process of changing to Avon Roadrunner 2 as a sensible replacement for my style of riding, as you say it’s about anticipating the road and weather conditions to suit. I have the same riding attitude with my other bikes (Triumph Bobber 1200 and Triumph Tiger 800). Totally agree that the majority of my “experienced” rider mates rarely check tire pressures
Quality content Stuart. So much nonsense spoken about tyres. I've always bought what I could afford and ride to the the prevailing conditions. Most of it is in the riders mind.
The tyre arguments continue lol .Stuart all the points you've made are valid .I don't believe there is such a thing as a bad tyre these days but there is an appropriate tyre for the individual and there riding style and machine . If your comfortable with a brand it normally gives confidence to your riding and to some it's too much and they bin it and then blame the rubber for there own failing . Personally I buy tyres that give me good feedback and great all weather grip .Tyre ware is also a key issue for many ,so yes they may have a great tyre but if they only get 3k and the rear is shot ,it then becomes a crap tyre because of that lol .oh we could go on and on lol, nice review stuart
I really don't see what the complaints are about?? I have ridden mine like a lunatic and not one complaint about the tyres, the suspension got well out of shape and even then I had awsome grip from the tyres. My brother is a semi professional rider and he couldn't catch me up round a couple of bends on his standard mt09 with some Bridgestone (unsure of model) tyre. He was massively impressed with the overall handling of the interceptor (not my riding lol). He has taken the bike out and can't believe how well it handles considering, yes he said the suspension was a bit pants but we all know this is one of the areas the interceptor lacks due to cost, however we both agreed for the riding you should be doing on the bike it's 95% there.
Just a thought, are these tyres different compounds in different countries ? If not then these people shouldn't be riding on the roads, to ride them beyond the limits imo you have to be riding like your on a track.
I was cringing when you were behind that tractor....I seen "Final Destination"
My Guzzi V7lll special has Pirelli Sport Demons as originals and I have never had the slightest problem with them. I have heard all the talk about Pirelli tyres having poor grip in the wet and all the rest of it and realised that it is basically rubbish, as you say Stuart why would manufacturers put dangerous tyres on their bikes it makes no sense at all.
The Interceptor needed a new rear tyre at 6k miles. Went for the Phantom again as I have been happy with its performance.
I have seen discussions on where the tyres are manufactured. The new one is made in Indonesia, whereas the original was made in Brazil. Whether this has any bearing on its quality or performance don’t know. So far only done 50ish miles as it was only changed yesterday.
I enjoyed your video. I suspected most tyres are good and much the same
I have Avon tyres on my Bullet. They look the part classic looking and do the job. Thank you.
Bye Stuart 🙂
I always TREAD carefully choosing tyres 🤠price varies due to inflation.
I always choose big manufacturers and trust their expertise as I'm no expert. I've never been anywhere near reaching a tyres capabilities, rain riding instinctively alters my style. Never had a problem in 44 years riding.