2024 Mathews Title Compound target bow
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Mathews Archery has just released the new Title compound bow. We discuss the new features, how the bow compares to other compound bows and how the most expensive compound bow made stacks up.
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I find it baffling that bow companies are still able to sell module-based cams. I know why they're doing it (dealers can charge for them, the manufacturer gets a profit from each module sold to dealers).
Mathews is notorious for the draw length coming in long (anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 inch long) so if i order one and I change releases or want to tweak my draw length, I have to go to a dealer and buy a different module.
To hell with that. I'm sticking with rotating modules. I don't care if i don't get "peak efficiency" at my draw length. I don't check the speed of my bows, anyway.
The Bridge Lock system is stupid because sights are not designed to be mounted that close to the centershot. You have to use an offset bracket to keep from running out of windage, and then the body of the sight sits where it would have sat if you just mounted it to the side of the riser.
The stabilizer system costing that much is just insulting.
I love your honesty , and your perspective as a dealer, customers near to hear about the issues you deal with in regards to setting up and tuning a bow, and how long that actually takes . As a Mathews fan I must admit, their adjustment and the ability to tune them easily leaves a lot to be desired, I am obsessive about many things and I have gone down the rabbit hole with the whole "perfect tune " perception, obviously the bow needs to be tuned , but , through the years I have discovered that you are spot on with what you say over and over , it is very seldom the equipment , it is the human using the equipment that is the issue , like you say , "just shoot a lot " and you will improve ! Thank You for you honest opinion !
Very well spoken Sir.
BTW, could you do a video on bows that impress you for being dollar for dollar the best bangs on the market?
You do not have to order a new bow press, only replacing the last chance archery finger spacing post… $80 from last chance archery
And you do not have to exclusively use the Mathews stabilizers..
Also only order a few set of mods in the middle range of let off and draw length for the few titles you have in stock… if they wanna buy the bow then you can order mods for them that are more specific… your blowing everything WAY out of proportion
If your shop uses a LCA press, you only have to buy a 3" wide adapter set instead of a whole new press.
100% agree with you. As a small bow shop owner, this is why I will NOT be looking for Mathews as one of my brands to sell. Great bow, but it is way too expensive for the general public. Thank you for this video
As a bow technician I couldn’t agree more with every word you said. Finally someone calling out all the BS
this didn't age well. the Title is currently one of the most popular selling bows ever. yes, you need to stock modules. but you don't need a wall of $2K+ bows to suit archers who need different draw lengths, draw weights and letoffs. modules are a small stock investment compared to bows.
nor are preloaded limbs new. and Last Chance Archery long since released a cheap upgrade kit for their presses to cope with the wider limb pockets.
and there's no obligation to use the bridge-lock stabilisers if you don't want to. conventional accessories fit fine.
You don’t necessarily need a whole new press. If you have the LCA press there is a wider finger attachment that they sell. Think it’s 80 bucks. But yeah still have to buy something more to work on the 2k bow you just bought. Hoyt also did this with the carbon deviants in 17/18. Had to buy a $200 LCA attachment. All companies have either done the module or cam thing. Think HOYT target SVX Cams. Wish all companies went to a rotating mod.
But Mathews gotta pay all that contingency money to the pros somehow…oh push it on the consumer!
Mathews is a sales & marketing driven company…. the bow is designed as a accessory platform… the accessories cost as much…. or more than the bow…!
They also lock you and the shop into the brand… once you are in the ecosystem there is a big price to leave.
Lots of modules, tophat, stabilizer & weights that can only be sold to a mathews customer… it will add to Mathews bottom line but not yours lol…
That said the bow looks great… I want one… I want all accessories and I am sure the bow will shoot great…
Better than the TRX as it looks like the limbs are less parallel and you will get more feedback with the shot.
Lol extra $$ for aftermarket grip.
You’re not a Matthew dealer, but you’re wearing a team shirt… I am wondering with all the new gear required to work on and also tune the bows - does Matthews work with the dealers on supplying equipment and proper training for tuning the bows. Target archers are a breed apart. They are use to spending money on equipment. Also trying to perfect their art…
I’m sorry but this is really NOT a good a review. It’s just trash talk. There are equal pro and cons to any and all bows. He is not a Mathews dealer and therefore doesn’t want people buy Mathews is what it seems like. His complaints about the mods are unfounded since any shop that sells Mathews already has switch weight mods. His complaint about buying a new press is incorrect. Shops will need to get new brackets for the press fingers that are wider but that’s new parts not a new press. The wider press bracket is also useful for other wider limb bows on the market as well. Tuning bows using shims, such as top hats, is commonplace and not difficult but yes does require a press as does nearly every other tuning method. I do agree that Mathews accessories are over priced and non transferable which sucks. The price of the Title though shouldn’t be a surprise with inflation and current msrp of 2023 target bows and carbon bows. Lastly, he never once touched the Mathews Title (not a Mathews dealer) in his review and is guessing on many of his opinions.
Don't need a new bow press. If you have a Last Chance Archery Press there is a fix. But you have to cough up $50 more.
Engineers and the owner of Mathews must have a hell of a cocaine addiction and they need more money to support their habit. Hence the expensive items they are trying to peddle. MFJJ says the stabilizers are up to 800 bucks if I remember correct.
Mathews knows this is a bow that only certain people will buy. They are a hunting bow company. The hunting bows pay the bills. As far as the mods, rotating mods suck they perform well at some draw lengths not so well at others. Mathews modules ensure that the shooter gets the most amount of performance possible at there draw lengths.
You lost your Mathews dealership, you don’t sell them. Why are you even discussing there product.
I have bowhunted and shot archery all my life. And have been in I don’t know how many shops in the us. None of them stock target bows. They stock hunting bows, if you want a target bow they will order it for you. If you get it and decide you want to change mods they order those for you. Very few dealers are going to stock these bows. Mathews knows that.
As a bit of a Mathews Fan Boy I think they've lost their F-ing minds with this one and it makes me really apprehensive about what they're going to do with thier hunting bows this year...
As a prior fan boy, don't be anxious about allowing yourself more choices. Plenty of excellent bows out their who are not acting silly.
Go to Hoyt broke boy
@@SteadyFPS
Thats funny
When I bought my first mathews back in 2005, everyone assumed it was cause i couldn't afford a Hoyt.
Amazing how slapping a few zeros onto the price is enough to convince the idiots it's a better product...
@@thenameiwantedwastaken I jsut shoot what Levi shoots cause he’s my man crush
Enough already we all know you hate matthews. Every video you hate on them
As always, amazing review and insight into the world of the archery industry.
Thanks for this (your honesty). Modern (compound) archery is getting more & more ridiculous. That is why I went back to traditional bows and never looked back.
Glad I got the Verdict 😅
Fantastic choice; would have been my purchase if I hadn't bought the Remedy just the year before (same roller guard from the hunting bows, improved modules with even more adjustability and 4 extra inches).
Me too, awesome bow, what colour you pick I went liquid bronze and just bought a green pse mach 34.
@@Buran01I own a remedy and the verdict completely different looking almost 4 inches longer but the rezult and verdict are close just a different and wider limb stance plus cams letoff but yeah the remedy is more hunting 3d and the verdict is more of just a target bow but yeah remedy has a way smoother draw cycle and is abit lighter.
@@robertmiller6822 My Remedy is in Teal, bought it for 3D. Graphite Grey is my fav color from Elite but at the time I bought the Remedy 2 years ago was discontinued. Glad to see it came back; Liquid Bronze looks impressive and would be my second choice after the Graphite.
@@robertmiller6822 I went with ninja black. I wanted purple haze or cobalt blue, even the orange, but they didn’t have any, so I just went black…
How is Mathews still in business? My NEXT bow will be an Elite envision......🏹🤠👍
Love mathews and the modern system. But alot of shops in my part of the US dont stock alot of the target bows , you have to pick then they will order it. So I guess that cuts the over head . Also I guess being here it doesnt take but a few weeks not months
Shot Mathews for many years, but not any more. So many basic things you have to buy separate and their proprietary accessories cost more than everything else. They've gone completely the wrong way IMO.
Reality check - You hold in stock max. the 10 most used modules and rest will be ordered on demand.
Some shops, yes. Larger shops typically ( in my experience ) try to bring in as many as they can. People are more patient with a smaller shop that has to order mods, not so much with a larger one. In Stephans case, I'm sure the wait time on mods is prohibitively long.
There's a lot of points I see in this video but..... most shops in the US don't keep all mods. They order a select few most used and then you do a direct order from your dealer.
Top hats, it's not the fastest as bowtech and elite but it's not slow as spacers... I know from doing my own work for many years on all types of bows and models. I know one thing, the top hats are SOLID with NO movement like bowtech and elite can have. It doesn't take long to change them.
I do agree mods suck at times but I know their the most efficient at my length no matter what mod. Even if it's only a few fps than a rotating mod I'll take it. It keeps the draw the best at every length also. So again I'll take this for mods vs rotating mods.
You don't need a new press for these limbs. They have adapters for lca presses
You don’t need to replace LCA presses…just modify them.
Matthew went the wrong direction with this bow. It’s a nice looking bow (haven’t seen it in person) but there making it way too expensive! Darton new target bows are like $1200-$1400 and there GREAT bows
You're a breath of fresh air. I watched three reviews from American channels, and they all talked about how great the new design features worked, but said very little about the price or the cost to archery distributors. Kind of like the guy who mumbles, and you ask him "What?" And then he puts his hand over his mouth and mumbles again.
Really appreciate you're perspective--you're a Saint for the archery distributor.
We are looking at picking them up in our shop next year and will only stock the 85% mods at 70lbs and 60lbs for the Lift and only from 27-30 draw. Might expand that draw range slightly. Customer will have to pre pay (no refund) if they want to try another mod out. Which we would discount down to cost. Not a great system for anybody to have to deal with shop or customer wise, but have to prioritize the shops budget over customer convenience in this case. Can't sell them anything if we go out of business on freaking mods.
always wanted a Mathews, and love the one I have. However, in today's world this is inconceivable and I would definitely look at other well made, easy to tune, big names that i can tune at home, esp since I have no shops near me any more.
P.S. Glad you recovered well and glad you did not burst into flames putting that shirt on. lol.
Great videos, thank you.
I've been shooting mathews since i've been 14 years old. I'm 31 now. After Halon X comp which i loved came TRXs , the cams were so shitty to adjust. Even half a twist in a cable would make a huge impact if the bow would should well or not. I didnt like TRXs at all. I waited and waited for something different. The Title for me personally is an out of season april fools joke. They promote new kind of strings and overengineered things that are kinda unnecessary in my opinion. I mean we fucking know how to build string without peep rotation for years now, come on..... I'll buy a hoyt stratos and will be fine without all those gimmicks. there is a reason all the target pros jumped off the boat in the last few years and that basically no mathews is on a world archery podium anymore
I don't think pros jump ship because the Mathews bows where hard to adjust. Someone like Gellenthien probably only had to call Mathews, tell them his preferred specs and they'd ship a fully setup bow to him overnight. More likely the contracts were better, financially speaking, on the other side of the fence.
Modules are the reason I quit shooting a Mathews, have PSE, Bowtech and Darton products and would recommend any of them.
Mods. You won't need to buy limbs to switch poundage for different events.
Bonus
For Archery shops, ya that sucks.
What I take away from this is that the new Mathews is “Good from far but far from good”. I can’t see how suppliers could afford to stock any of the Mathews bows.
you all do realize that you dont have to use mathews accessories right? you can still conventional accessories....and still adjust poundage with limb bolts as well
You do not need a new press. I have an ez green press and still use the fingers that came with the press and have never ever had an issue with pressing any title.
It's a beautiful but unmarketable bow.
Oh it will sell just fine (new technology with the big weight adjustment, also being more stable because of the wide limbs), even the stabilizers, which are what's truly overpriced..
Do Bugatti cars make sense to the majority?
No.
Do they sell?
Yes... to a minority of a minority
I cannot agree with those who say this bow is pretty. I think Mathews Title looks like a guy with golden balls and a pigtail.
If you were Dan macharthney or Levi Morgan then your opinion would have worth on wide limb bows
The cost of bows isn’t going up. The value of the dollar is plummeting.
💯 not the most expensive bow ever! The mathews Safari is... No, not a new bow press just need new fingers for some bow presses.
Sorry I’ve shot Mathews for years. No shop has ever stocked modules. They just ordered from Mathews direct and you wait.
Can use any stabiliser you want still. They have developed their own option, not really an issue.
Mathews is overhyped, overpriced, and over-the-top garbage.
You are the most honest review Archery company store f the world. Yes, this is so a bad story of Mathews and don't talk about the stabalizer.......They are crazy there........ Thanks Steven.
I’d rather the new Topoint, ease of adjustability, the finish, the colours and oh yeah, the price.
But will others be envious of you then?
If you shoot better scores with cheap equipment, it all reverses (as I experienced with other sports)...
Chinese crap…..I’ll buy American.
@@Nowhy don’t really care what anyone else thinks. I own Hoyts, Bowtechs, PSE’s, Obsession and even a Bear, I’m more interested in the Chinese bows, on how much they improve there gear from model to model. They are now comparable in quality to the main American brands.
@@Nowhy I shoot awesome groups with my Bear Parradox, similar to my Supra Focus and Reckoning, it’s awesome for a cheap hunting bow.
Way to go Matthews way to say screw the general public.
I bought one just felt amazing to shoot
Your reviews are great, keep up the great job!
Here in the UK the Title 38 is £200 cheaper than the Hoyt Stratos 40 - so I am not sure where this statement of “the most expensive bow on the market” is coming from.
MY Gen2 is looking better all the time!
Mfjj just did a video on this bow. In his video he said you need new arms for the press not a whole new press.
The thing is... People will buy it up!
Just a couple of corrections:
- You don't need to buy a new bow press. You need a new limb adaptor
- You can still use any sight, stabiliser and arrow rest
I agree though, the mods are a pain both from a buyer and seller standpoint.
Shooters love the mods.
@@hamedizzy5137only when it goes well 😅
@@MarioCorreaMendes why wouldn’t it? They’re very easy bows to tune they’re not finicky like most bows.
@hamedizzy5137 my point is that because they're new models of bows, trying the different settings can be time consuming. Not to mention expensive if the shop doesn't carry all the mods. Only thing I'm not sure about is if it's one mod per adjustment (one for draw length, one for letoff, one for poundage) or one mod covers all three adjustments
@@MarioCorreaMendesif you want to change any one of those three things you would need to get a different module.
Bowtech reckoning g2
They depended on the fanboys
Just like iphone, however expensive the 'new' model is, people still gonna buy
Back the verdict!!!!!!
Mathews never learn from mistakes, before twin cam, their solocam also stupid design. Need to buy new cam if change DL.
I shoot a vxr28 and a topoint 330 great bows wish I bought the longer axle to axle version of the vxr. I have been considering a McPherson Monster by Mathews the issue with mods is my only concern I've gone thru 5 different mods on the vxr. Planning on hunting in Canada next year chasing moose so looking to go to an 80 pound bow
you don't need 80 lbs for a moose, 60 can easy get it done.
Very true but I've been after a monster for ten years now and I shoot scrub bulls alot so the extra poundage can't hurt
Someone would be willing to trade with you, somewhere.
I just sold a monster great bow I enjoy it my shoulders didn’t
Good points and I’ll acknowledge them all (and I’m a Mathews shooter, living in the SE United States). A growing trend you guys may not see is people competing with the V3X or Phase 4. In the ASA pro classes there are several archers consistently making the shoot off and winning. In amateur classes the same thing is happening. The “hunting” bow shoots SO well and is obviously $800 cheaper. I spoke with Andy Callaway (a Mathews pro) at the Classic and we joked that the only thing that makes a bow a “hunting” bow is broadheads. Honest review
Why would you buy all the available modules? That would be dumb as hell. Buy a few in the most common specs then order outliers as needed. Smh…..
Mathew’s and Hoyt are the snobs of the archery world, but Elite or Bowtech, better product anyways, just saying, lol😂
Mathews couldn’t do what Elite and Bowtech did for ease of adjustability because exactly as it sounds…. They would be following. Mathews definitely left the average consumer out of this equation. What next years bow going to cost… $2500? Imagine the pro shooters forced to try and push this to market saying this is the best Mathews bow yet, “go and buy one”. 😂😂😂😂😂
The Mathews bows are interesting and I watch a lot of Chris Bees videos. But with these things you say, I don't think I am going to get a Mathews bow again. I had a Nocam, wonderful bow and I had no tuning issues with it and as far as I know the dealer also did not have any issues setting it up for me.
I think it would im prove if the persons dedication stays the same.
1/2 reflex on the riser. First bow ever with a reflex like that..
I couldn’t agree with you more! I like Mathews but they definitely do more money grubbing than the others, big turn off for me. My local Mathews dealers won’t stock target bows for this reason
Finally an honest review, I think the cost of getting into archery is the reason for the steady decline of the sport. With items like this it would seem the company is looking for a short term gain, it’s really disappointing.
8 limbs with dampeners was never touted as improving accuracy…..not a good critique
I’ve never like Matthews an now I definitely would never buy that bow crazy 3500 totally loaded out crazy!!
You won’t have to get a new bow press if you already have a last chance press you’ll just need new fingers
Hater
'Hi Mathews. I'm not buying any of your bows or modules. I will sell them for you if you send me a stock of everything on sale or return. Thanks. Bye'
Bought my first Mathews recently...still can't understand what all the hype is!
I would just order some of the most common mods. And order the rest of them when the person needs them.
Make the person wait. No choice
...the answer to all your questions: Bowtech Reckoning 36 gen2
Bit wanky for me
Weights:
You wont need as many weights now cause of the brass block at the bottom of the riser.
All the press needs is a limb fingers attachment. Last Chance Archery has this covered.
You probably need at least two sets of each module especially the mid range mods in case multiple customers want the same set
I know it will sell, lots of people want the big new thing
It always takes me a while to settle to a new bow before I can get it setup perfectly (for me), so I would be in the shop for hours prior to any "fine tuning"
Is Archery Supplies no longer selling Matthew’s or special order only?
I shot a lot of tournaments years ago before 3d became a thing. I remember when we first saw 3d targets on the course as opposed to hay bails and paper targets. Just letting everyone know how long ago it's been. Anyway, I shot for an archery shop and could try any bow they had. I shot many brands and I can tell you that most bows will shoot great and most times it's the archer not the bow. I have an old mathews ultra max and several PSE bows. They are all great bows. You are right. The bow shops will be the ones to suffer trying to keep customers happy with the expensive mathews set up.
Ok I appreciate your reviews. But you should learn the product before you review it. You DO NOT need a new bow press….you just need the wider press fingers. Yes it’s expensive but everything is. As far as the top hats go….a knowledgeable bow tech can pretty well guess after the tear what top hats you need assuming the timing and center shot is correct. The 8 limb configuration was not designed for accuracy……it was designed to increase efficiency of the bow. Modular based bows are more efficient through out the draw length spectrum of the cam. Don’t believe me take a rotating modular based bow and check the holding weights through out every draw length……the top end of the cam will achieve the holding weight….the lower half will not. To finish don’t rip on a product that you CLEARLY know nothing about since you’re not a dealer.
This is one of those cases where the theory doesn't necessarily mean it's great in practice. Surely you agree the amount of modules you'd have to stock is ridiculous, to think it isn't is in itself ridiculous... Even a module with limited rotation would be great. If the Poms (Mybo) can do it, so can Matthews, or in fact anyone😂 Bows should be relatively user friendly ans that has been happening in recent times (¼ adjustment, easier tuning for those who care about it, etc)
There a great video of Hoyt saying we use modules to have consistent cycles etc etc and look what they have now.
Were the limbs made for efficiency? Far as I've seen it's about making a more vibration free bow? I'd be interested to see how the strip in the middle improves efficiency. Maybe I've missed something
Wonder what will come first, a Matthews with a superb grip from the get-go or some form of rotating module😬
At the end of the day the bow will be very good, it's hard to justify in the current era.
The less vibration the bow has means it’s more efficient. My comment was more towards the over all knowledge of the bow and not a personal opinion of he thinks it is. He mispoke numerous times in this review.
@derekbonser-xk7bz So, does that mean if I put a dampener on my front rod, my bow becomes more efficient? Or if I shoot a significantly heavier arrow, does that improve efficiency?
But let's say I am completely wrong because in fairness I just woke up😂 and it does in fact improve the energy transfer, how much improvement are we talking? If I had to guess, probably not enough to improve the majority of people. The bow feeling less harsh would become the bigger selling point.
Well it's not the first time someone has miss spoken. The bit about the press is probably more of a in the moment thing, the idea is the same, you need to buy something else to make it work.
You are correct sir..The price is pushing people out of the sport.
Nonody needs to buy a press stop the bull! Limb adapter will do it
Bow press.. it can be modified by a good welder by extending the finger mounting rods.. easy peezy.. or . Weld on extending blocks onto the fingers..
You only need 1/2 on each finger anyway.
It is doable..
Well, unless you already had your own welding equipment, buy a new (or even used one) just for this task is probably not gonna be worth it and if you call someone else they'd still charge you for their time.
Point is, you still need to invest time, effort and possibly money after already spending big bucks on your new bow just to begin setting it up.
If you want to improve you arxhery you just keep shooting. No bow will make YOU shoot better. That’s a sales guy right here!!! And a huge bias too
Having said that the Gen2 rotating module for holding weight is extremely useful😂
But apart from that yes knowing how to shoot always comes first😅
Why aren't Mathews short hunting bows 27", 28" etc cheaper than their 32" to 35" hunting bows if the justification of the expense of the target bow is riser length? Rhetorical.
They are…..not rhetorical.
Pro shooters love these bows I’m sure shops ate it.
its ugly looking in my opinion on top of all that...
How many times can you reinvent the wheel 😂
Great video Stephen. I was really disappointed with mathews new bow. I would have bet that mathews would have had a new adjustable module for there new line this year. Boy, was I wrong.
They want to do their thing even if it isn't practical - if they did go without modules, people would go say: " oh look, they copied others".. it's like with apple - buy expensive stuff to make others envious...
Sounds like a bow that would only be sold/stocked in the states for easier access to parts. Anywhere else in the world, especially down in the Oceania region it will be far too costly, or a bow for Matthews Pro staff shooters to showcase the Matthews brand.
They have about, roughly, 3 billion pro shooters, so they have to make their products expensive.
Great looking bow, and I love that they have put all their latest tech in to their target bow. It's odd, but in the passed few years, Hoyt and Matthews seem to have rolled out new tech on their hunting range that never makes it to their target bows.
First Matthews bow that has really raised my interest since the introduction of the "No-cam" design - not that they were particularly successful, but at least it was something new and interesting.
That said, absurdly expensive, and that's before you even start adding the stabilisers!
Yes it interests me, yes it has a good feature set (even if some things, like the Phase4 limb technology, seem kind of unnecessary on a target bow) but I can't see me ever affording one, and even if I could, I couldn't justify buying it.
Almost seems like they have thrown everything they can in to this design, pretty much just so it can be the most expensive commercial bow ever made..... 😆
I have had only 1 Matthews bow and that was the No-cam. It was an absolutely wonderful bow and I regret that I sold it and I don't understand why they didn't continue that line. It was a very nice concept. My main issue was that it only had string stop and I (allways) shoot back tension release and around 42# peak draw weight. That combination was not so good. But before I sold it, I actually shot my at the moment (still) best at 18 m FITA / WA, at 550 p.
All you're points are valid 💪
This from the man that sells recurve risers that cost 1200 and limbs that cost another 1200.
Looked for every negative point to focus on. man you are definitely hurting. We wish you better health.
He's selling for a small margin. The manufacturer sets those high prices. He's just a distributor, not a manufacturer.
This bow is 2099us dollars on Lancaster archery supplies or mathews website.
Found the Matthew's fan Boi
Thats potentially because that's how much they are going for?
High end recurve gear is expensive😂
@liamboyle9199 my thoughts exactly probably one of the cheapest archery sights depending on what you want, if you can't afford it buy a cheaper bow nobody is telling him to buy those limbs and riser same as this bow nobody is saying he should buy one but so far it's the most expensive compound bow brought out to date.
The most expensive bow will not improve one's scores if the shooter has bad form. It's never been about the bow as much as it is about the archer. All these new features are about getting consumers to open their wallets. Serious target archers who are switched on won't fall for marketing ploys.
However, there are those geek types who will buy every piece of useless equipment in the hope that they'll be magically transformed into Olympic archers in the blink of an eye when they struggle to consistently hit the red at thirty yards.
Greed at it's finest. 🤑
Spot on!!
Agreed
Have you done a review on Athens bows?
I'm not sure if he sells athens but they have a great felling draw cycle and are great for a cheaper bow the vista 35 is a Simlar feel to the evo nxt 35 except the draw is smoother on the athens I just don't like being in the middle of both modules.